Fwd: Re: "Vedic astrology" - the greatest fraud on the Vedas!

[Avtar Krishen Kaul]

--- In asthik...@yahoogroups.co.in, "Avtar Krishen Kaul"
<jyotirved@...> wrote:

Shri Bhupendra Jamnadasji,
Namaskar!

< Would it not be correct then to say that people today lack
undertsanding of Jyotishi rather than Jyotishi itself being invalid?>

We have to clarify the meaning of the word Jyotisha. Vedanga
Jyotish by Acharya Lagadha is the first indigenous astronomical work
of about 14th century BCE, compiled in Kashmir in that hoary past.
It gives the methodology for calculating the twelve months like
Tapah/Magha, Tapasya/Phalguna etc. besides the four cardinal points
viz. the two Ayanas and the two Sampats i.e. the two Solstices and
two Equinoxes. It also tells us as to how to calculate nakshatras,
apart from tithis.
There is no mention of any planet like Mangal, Shani etc. nor are
there any references to any Mesha etc. Rashis. There is thus no
question as to whether those rashis were Sayana or nirayana -- a
jargon invented by "Vedic jyotishis".

This very Vedanga Jyotisha has told us in no uncertain terms
that "ganitam" is meant to calculate suitable timings/muhurtas for
perfoming yajnyas. There is absolutely no possibility that Acharya
Lagadha couild have even had anything like predictive gimmicks in
his mind!
Prior to that work as well, we do not find any Mesha etc. rashis or
Mangal,Shani etc. planets in any of the Vedas or Upanisahdas or
Brahmanas etc. etc. As late as about 4th/5th century BCE, Mesha
etc. rashis were conspicuous by their absence even in the last pre-
sihantic astronomical work viz. the Atharva-Jyotisha as clarified in
Bharatiya Jyotisha Shasta by S. B. Dikshit.
Obviously, by saying that Vedanga Jyotisha means a work of
predictive gimmicks, these "Vedic jyotishis" are really taking us
for a ride and the earlier we wake up to such faux pass the better!

It has been conclusively proved by me that prior to the Surya
Sidhanta of Maya the mlechha, nobocy ever talked of Mesha etc. Rashi
in Inida! That clearly means that the so called Vedic astrology,
which the so called Vedic jyotishis are claiming to be based on
Mesha etc. rashis is baseless and meaningless since with its Dasha-
Buktis-antardashas-pratyantardashas etc. etc. it is not even the
original Grecho-Chaledan version, not to speak of being Vedic!
Ironically, the zodiac is not divided into twelve equal divisions
astronomically either!

Now coming to our shastras! I have yet to see any purana, leave
alone any Veda, advising us to consult a soothsayer before
udnertaking any work! On the other hand, we have all along been
advised "karmanyeva adhikaraste ma phaleshu kadacanai". That
clearly means that "Vedic Jyotish" is neither Vedic nor Pauranic!

There have actually been fatal "side effects" to our dharma because
of our such an infatuation for the fraud known as Vedic astrology!
It has entrely upset the gamut of the Vedic calendars! We are
celebrating these days Uttarayana on January 15 under the garb of
Makara Sankranti, Dakshinayana on July 14 in the name of Karka
Snakranti and so on, thanks to these "Lahiri Vedic Jyoitishis".
They have compelled us to celebrate Pitra-Amavasya on the day of
actual Dipavali and so on!

< I was once actively pursuing knowledge of astrology and tried to
read of book written by B.V. Raman. After reading a few chapters, I
just threw it aside, his analysis was most unscientific>

The less we talk about these "gretest Vedic astrologers" the bettr!
Dr. Raman, sorry to say, was not able to erect even a single chart
in his "Notable Horsocopes" correctly, so much so that even his own
birth-chart in that book is absolutely wrong!
But then he was able to make correct predictions from the same
incorrect charts-- and that is why I say that "Vedeic Jyotishis" can
make correct predictions only from incorrect data!
As such, I would request every Vedic Hindu to forget about the
humbug called Vedic astrology and start celebrating festivals and
muhurtas on correct days!
With regards,
Avtar Krishen Kaul

--- In asthik...@yahoogroups.co.in, Bhupendra Jamnadas
<b_jamnadas@> wrote:
>
> Dear Avtar Ji,
>
> Would it not be correct then to say that people today lack
undertsanding of Jyotishi rather than Jyotishi itself being invalid?
>
> The problem today is that astrology is driven by commerce today
rather than spirituality. So yes, I would not believe in "Vedic
Astrologers" of the day, but yet I do believe that this knowledge is
lost in time and was not meant to be used in a manner that we are
trying to use today, I also do believe that a gemstone in not a
solution to every problem that we face on this earth.
>
> I was once actively pursuing knowledge of astrology and tried to
read of book written by B.V. Raman. After reading a few chapters, I
just threw it aside, his analysis was most unscientific. He would
give a new reason for every event that cannot otherwise be explained
in sample charts in his book.....that may be ok when talking about
past events, but certainly you cannot predict future events using
such analysis. Till date, that book is collecting dust...and so are
most other books becuase I realised that the only way to understand
astrology is to acquire siddhi by guidance of a guru, not by reading
books. And if were to acquire siddhi, I better take a more higher
goal then to learn astrology, so astrology is on a back-burner now.
>
> What do you think Avatar Ji? Do you agree with this view?
>
> Regards,
> Bhupendra.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@>
> To: asthik...@yahoogroups.co.in
> Sent: Friday, January 4, 2008 5:07:11 AM
> Subject: [asthikasamaj] Re: "Vedic astrology" - the greatest fraud
on the Vedas!
>
> Dear friends,
> Namaskar!
> The very foundation of so called Vedic astrology is unscientific
and
> meaningless since the so called nirayana rashis, whether Lahiri or
> Raman or Muladhara etc. etc. exist neither astronomically nor on
the
> basis of any of the shastras or even sidhantas! Same is the case
> with the so called sayana rashis! Astronomically, there are no
> twelve or twenty-seven equal divisions of the ecliptic/zodiac!
> If there had ben any basis for predictions, these "Vedic
jyotishis"
> themselves would not have been quarrelling like Kilkenny Cats
among
> themselves about the supermacy of one ayanamsha over opters! As on
> date, at least half a dozen Ayanamshas are floating round: i)
> Lahiri, ii) Ramana iii) Chopra iv) Cyril Fagan v) Muladhara vi)
> Tilaka and so on! All of them claim that correct predictions can
be
> made only as per their chosen Ayanamsha!
>
> Similarly, quite a few predictions by the "greatest Vedic
> astrologers" proved wrong, the most prominent one being that poor
> Vajpayee was made to cut his rule short by several months by these
> very "Vedic jyotishis" who advised him to advance the last General
> Elections by several months!!
>
> Then again, the only Hindu king in the world in our neighbourhood
> got assasinaed by his own crown prince because "Vedic astrologers"
> did not permit him (the late king) to marry his son to his beloved
> since thier "horoscopes did not match"! If these frauds who call
> themselves Vedic astrologers could foresee the future really,
> instead of preventing the late king from marrying his son to his
> desired girl, they would have advised him to have that marriage
> arranged as early as possible!
>
> As on date, becasue of these very "Vedic astrologers" we are
> celebrating all our festivals and muhutas on wrong days, thanks
> to "almighty" Lahiris and Lahiriwalas!
> The earlier we put a full stop to such adharmic activities, the
> better for the real asthikasamaj!
> With regards,
> Avtar Krishen Kaul
> --- In asthikasamaj@ yahoogroups. co.in, viji <viji123@ > wrote:
> >
> > So how come I have personally come across genuine predictions
made
> by astrologers?
> >
> > jyotirved <jyotirved@ ..> wrote:
> > Respected Sirs,
> > Jai Shri Krishna, The following speech was delivered at Rotary
> Club, West Delhi, in September 2006. It will give you all the
> information as to how "scientific" and "Vedic" astrology is:
> Regards, AKK Om tat sat
> brahmarpanamastu! Om Brahmanandam Parama sukhadam kevalam gyan
> moortim, dwandvateetam gagana sadrisham tat-tvam asyadi
> lakshyam ekam nityam vimalam achalamsarva
> dhee sakshi bhootam, bhavateetam triguna rahitam shree gurum tam
> namami "Vedic Astrology" - the greatest fraud on the Vedas! Dear
> friends. Good evening to everybody!
> > I feel highly honoured to have been invited by Shri Ajay Bhasin
> for sharing my views about astrology and related topics with
> respected personalities assembled here. As most of us already
know,
> we call these predictive gimmicks as "Vedic astrology" these days.
> >
> > When I was asked by Shri Bhasin about the heading of my talk, I
> had thought of making it as "Vedic Astrology – the greatest fraud
on
> the Vedas". On second thoughts, fearing that it would be too
> explosive a heading, I made it a sugar coated bitter pill by
> changing it to "Do we celebrate our festivals on correct days?".
> >
> > Well, actually, both i.e., the fraud known as "Vedic astrology"
> and "our celebrating all our festivals on wrong days" are inter-
> related.
> > Let me start with "Vedic astrology" - as to why I call it a
> fraud!
> > There is hardly anyone in India, who does not want to know as to
> when his "sade–sati" will start or end or as to which Dasha-
> antardasha he is running and when that will end etc. etc. even if
he
> does not know ABC of jyotisha. I have gone through all those pangs
> myself and made a thorough study of all the astrological works
> besides a lot of astronomical books! I studied Western system of
> astrology also and had become a sort of famous astrologer, though
my
> predictions were as correct as anybody else's i.e. hardly 50%.
> However, this is a secret that no "jyotishi" shares with anybody --

> that his/her predictions are hardly more correct than fifty per
> cent, whatever logic or Ayanamsha he/she may use! When I analyzed
> the reasons for such a dismal rate of success, the conclusions
were
> startling! And I am keeping those very conclusions before you!
> >
> > Before proceeding further, I must, however, say something about
> myself since you are well within your rights to ask me as to
> what "qualifications" I have to demolish astrology that is being
> practised over the last several centuries, nay even millennia!
> >
> > My credentials
> > Though I am not laying any claims to being a scholar, however, I
> have actually studied all the four Vedas in original "archaic"
> Sanskrit with their different "Bhashyas", besides the various
> Brahmanas like Shatapatha, Aitreya, Tatiriya etc. etc. I have
> studied, (in original Sanskrit!) about two hundred all the
important
> Upanishads as well! I have also gone through both the epics viz.
the
> Valmiki Ramayana and the Mahabharata --- in Sanskrit and from
cover
> to cover, besides Adhyatma Ramayana, Ramacharitamanasa etc. etc.!
> There is hardly any Purana whether the Bhagavata, Shivapurana,
> Vishnu, Narada, Devi, Varaha, Matsya and Vishnudharmotara etc.
etc.
> that I have not gone through in original Sanskrit. I have also
> studied exhaustively all the ancient astronomical works like the
> Vedanga Jyotisha, Panchasidhantika, Surya Sidhanta, Arya Bhati,
> Sidhanta Shiromani etc. etc. To crown it all, I was not a born
> renegade against the established traditions. On the other hand, I
> was
> > initially "hypnotized" by "Vedic astrology" and "panchangas"
> myself and there is hardly any "text-book" of astrology either in
> Sanskrit or Urdu or English or Hindi that I have not studied with
> due reverence, as if I was studying the Vedas!
> >
> > Having established my credentials thus, I CAN DECLARE IT WITHOUT
> ANY HESITATION AND WITH ALL THE EMPHASIS AT MY COMMAND, THAT THERE
> IS ABSOLUTELY NO PREDICTIVE ASTROLOGY IN ANY OF THE VEDAS,
> UPANISHADAS OR BRAHMANAS. There are, however, some references to
> some odd types of predictions in some of the Puranas and the epics
> and therefore calling it as really a post-Vedic astrology is more
> correct. There is a rider there also, and that is that according
to
> these scriptures, Makara Sankranti i.e. Pongal is nothing but a
> synonym of Uttarayana (the shortest day of the year) i.e. Winter
> Solstice and as everybody knows, it can take place these days only
> on or around December 21 every year. Thus the Uttarayana-cum-
Makar
> Sankranti that we are celebrating now-a-days on January 14 is
> absolutely wrong and does not have any authority from any shastra
or
> even modern astronomy. Similarly, the Vaishakhi that is being
> celebrated on April 14 or so also is wrong since Mesha Sankranti is
> > nothing but Vishuva (Vernal Equinox) or Vasant Sampat and it
> cannot take place on any day other than March 21/22, when the day
> and night are equal. Actually these Makara etc. sankrantis were
> known as Tapah etc. months during the Vedic period as there are no
> rashis in the Vedas but just six seasons and Madhu, Madhava etc.
> twelve months. As such, we are celebrating all our fasts, fairs
and
> muhurtas on wrong days -- thanks to "Vedic astrologers" and
> their "Vedic astrology".
> >
> > The first and foremost thing I learnt from our shastras is that
> no system of predictions has any sanction either from the Vedas or
> even Puranas least of all our dharmashastras etc. since all our
> shastras admonish us from consulting "nakshatra jeevis" so much so
> that the Manusmriti calls these nakshatrasoochis as outcastes and
> not fit to sit in any sabha of learned people.
> > Those who can foresee our future do not reveal it to us
> beforehand:
> > All the Ramayanas, whether Valmiki or Adhyatma or
> Ramacharitamanasa etc. etc. say that before deciding about the
> coronation of Bhagwan Rama, Dashratha wanted his guru Vasishtha to
> confirm the suitable muhurta for that function. It was on the
> advice of Vasishtha Muni that Dasharatha decided to anoint Rama as
> the Yuvraja the very next day, as it was "Tishya" i.e. Pushya
> nakshata then. From this anecdote, it is clear that either
> Vasishtha Muni did not know as to what was going to happen to
> Dasharatha by declaring Bhagwan Rama as a crown-prince or
Vasishtha
> kept quiet deliberately since he did not want to interfere in the
> divine dispensation!
> >
> > Obviously, being the son of Brahmaji and a highly exalted yogi
> as well as a jnyani, Vasishtha-muni could peep into past as well
as
> future. It means that even if some exalted souls can foresee as to
> what is going to happen, they do not reveal our "bhavishya" before
> hand, unlike some of the astrologers of today, who masquerade
> as "Parasharas" and "Vamadevas" to tell us even our past and
future
> janmas just by glancing at our birth-charts, even if those charts
> are wrong!
> >
> > The Gita is said to be the gist of all our shastras. When
> Arjuna expressed his doubt by saying naitadvidmah katarnno
gareeyo,
> yadva jayema yadi va no jayeyuh "I do not know what is good for me
> nor do I know whether we will win or the Kauravas will win the
war",
> Bhagwan Krishna neither asked him to consult some soothsayer nor
did
> He tell him to wear some ruby! He just advised Arjuna "hato va
> prapsyasi swargam jitva va bokshyase maheem" i.e. "You must fight.
> If you get killed in the war, you will go to the heavens and if
you
> win it you will be the lord of the whole world".
> > Thus all it boils down to is the fact that those who know
> (including Lord Krishna Himself!) as to what is going to happen
and
> when do not divulge such "secrets" before hand to us.
> >
> > Remedial measures are a farce:
> > Almost all the jyotishis suggest one or the other remedial
> measure to their clients, and mostly these are gems like diamond
or
> ruby or sapphire etc. etc. What is surprising is that we have
> become so obsessed with Jyotish that we forget the entire itihasa
of
> our past!
> > (i) If these gems are that efficacious, why was then
> Dasharatha not suggested some "ruby" or "coral" to ward off the
evil
> Dasha that was going to kill him when Rama would leave for the
> forests? Well, because our Rishis did not believe in such gimmicks
> at all!
> > (ii) Bhagwan Krishna was born in a prison --- I wonder why He
> could not use some "sapphire" to be born in a palace!
> > (iii) Vasudeva and Devaki---the parents of Bhagwan Krishna---
> were in chains when He was born! It is said that Lord Krishna was
a
> complete – 16 kala sampoorna --- divine incarnation of Vishnu and
> was thus really Omnipotent, Omnipresent and Omniscient! But in
> spite of His Omniscience, Omnipotence and Omnipresence, Lord
Krishna
> could not relieve the miseries of his parents, Vasudeva and
Devaki,
> who had to remain in chains till Krishna killed Kansa!
> > What does it demonstrate? Just the fact that if the Omniscient,
> Omnipresent and Omnipotent Krishna could not relieve the miseries
of
> His own father or mother before the appointed time, how can a ruby
> or a sapphire---or some Mangala or Shani yagya--- remove all our
> miseries or fulfil all our ambitions? Obviously, we are being
taken
> for a ride by such Jyotishis!
> > iv) Then not in the distant past, Smti Indira Gandhi would run
> after astrologers for knowing her future. She wore a rare and
> original ekamukhi rudraksha, which only either the Maharaja of
Nepal
> had or she was wearing! It is said that some top-notch jyotishis
> had suggested that rudraksha to her! Ironically, both the King of
> Nepal as well Mrs. Indira Gandhi were assassinated "by the people"
> they "had trusted"---- ekamukhi rudraksha not withstanding!
> > What does it prove? That we should not be hoodwinked by
> soothsayers!
> > v) Then again a well known Tantrik of yore---highly respected by
> the then PM--- is out on bail, not by dint of his "Tantra-Kriya"
but
> because of some legal loopholes in FERA!
> > Similarly, Dhirendra Brahmachari, another high
profile "Tantrik",
> met with an accident in the plane he was flying himself! If he
> could not see his own death looming large how could he forewarn
> others!
> >
> > What does that prove? Obviously, it warns us against relying on
> any soothsayers, especially if they call themselves "Vedic
> Jyotishis" since they are taking us for a ride literally.
> > Kalasarpa Dosha -- a non-existent fear psychosis:
> > These days we hear a lot about Kalasarpa Dosha! It is said to
> be present in any horoscope if all the planets are between Rahu
and
> Ketu! My God! What a humbug! Rahu and Ketu are actually nodes of
> the Moon! That means they are just mathematical points without any
> dimensions ---therefore without any physical existence whatsoever!
> So according to "Vedic astrologers" even such "non-existent"
> phenomena can make our lives miserable for which we must do some
> upay! Do you need any other proofs for the jugglery that these
> cheats are indulging in?
> > THE ONLY EFFECTIVE REMEDY, or UPAY, THEREFORE, IS THAT WE MUST
> REMEMBER HIM, THE ALMIGHTY, EVERY MOMENT OF OUR LIVES AND LEAVE
> EVERY THING TO HIS DIVINE WILL!.
> >
> > Fake Brighu Samhitas and Parasharis:
> > We find a Brighu Samhita or a nadi Jyotishi or Aruna Samhita
> etc. in every Muhalla these days! However, there is no mention in
> any of the Puranas or shastras that any Rishi like Vasishtha or
> Garga or Brighu etc. have ever written any books on predictive
> astrology. The Vishnu Purana by Parashara is full of astronomical
> references ---and that also sayana i.e. the seasonal year when
Mesha
> sankranti is another name of Spring Equinox and so on, but we do
not
> find any mention of any Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra there!
> Obviously, it is the worst concoction that can ever be had, and
may
> be that is why such a Parashari is the bible of "Vedic astrologers"
> >
> > India has gone downhill because of astrology and astrologers:
> > In India, we have started going downhill ever since our rulers
> started running after Jyotishis. In ancient days, during the time
> of the Mahabharata, it was a dharma yudha that we had to fight
> against our own Duryodhanas but ever since the advent of astrology
> almost simultaneously with the invasion of Alexander the Great,
and
> then the "Yavana Jatakam" of Sphujidwaja and the Surya Sidhanta of
> Maya the Yavana (mlechha!), we had to fight outsiders! The more
> the foreigners invaded us the more our rulers, instead of making a
> united effort against the invaders, started consulting soothsayers
> whom they called Rajajyotishis!
> >
> > Varahamihira the worst culprit:
> > The maximum credit for creating such a fear psychosis of omens
> and ghosts and ghouls and storms and even clouds goes to
> Varahamihira of 5th century AD through his Brihat Samita and
Brihat
> Jatakam and Panchasidhantika! Before venturing into the
> battlefield, our monarchs would ask their soothsayers to
> prepare "narpati jaya charya" and consult Brihat Samhita etc. to
see
> whether the "ketuchara" was favourable at that time or not! No
> wonder with such a preliminary and hopeless knowledge of
> astronomical facts, we were being pushed back into dark ages by
> Varahamihira and his followers!
> >
> > Our historical records are witness to the fact that we were
> vanquished in every battle, whether it was with Alexander the
Great
> or Muhamud of Gazni or Chengiz Khan or Nadir Shah or the Moguls or
> finally the East India Company, thanks to the dependence of our
> monarchs on soothsayers (Rajajyotishis, huh!) instead of the
> principles of war strategy and statecraft as adumbrated by the
> Vedas, the Manu and even Chanakya, who chided kings for consulting
> soothsayers!
> >
> > BJP the latest example:
> > The fate of the BJP has not been any better than that of our
> earlier monarchs by depending more on their "Vedic Jyotishis" who
> were responsible for getting "Vedic Jyotisha (sic!)" prescribed in
> Indian Universities! It is that very move that boomeranged on the
> party and even the "Minister of astrology" did not win his own
> parliamentary seat from Allahabad, let alone being the Union
> Minister again. Do you need any other proofs of the fact that
> these "Vedic Jyotishis" will make you lose your seat of power well
> before the appointed day just by making you advance your elections?
> >
> > If we continue to follow the trend of our "monarchs" of having
> blind faith in our soothsayers, then sooner than later we will
> become Babylon of yesteryears, which is known as Iraq today!
> >
> > Kashmiri Pandits were the worst affected by their blind faith in
> Jyotishis:
> > Another reason for my revolt against the so called "Vedic
> astrology" is that as a Kashmiri Pandit, I have more to blame
> panchanga makers and soothsayers and their predictive gimmicks
than
> anything or anybody else since they never forewarned us about any
> calamities that were going to befall us! On the other hand, just
to
> prove their astrological gimmicks, they just made ---and are still
> making --- us celebrate all our festivals, including
Mahashivaratri,
> Vasanti Navratras, Ramanavami, Janmashtami and Sharadiya navratras
> etc. on wrong days. It is these very jyotishis, whom we had
treated
> as our friends, philosophers and guides, who are responsible for
our
> downfall as Kahsmiri Pandits, since they proved neither our
friends,
> nor philosophers least of all our guides! These Panchanga
> makers/jyotishis were the first to flee from Kashmir in 1990---
> like the king Hari Singh at the time of Pakistani raid in 1948---
> since they had already made their alternate homes in safer
> > places like Jammu and Delhi. Those Jyotishis just proved to be
> Shylocks, who were only interested in their Pound of flesh by way
of
> Dakshinas for janmapatris and matching of horoscopes -- all
> cheating and nothing else!
> >
> > These soothsayers have such a hypnotic grip on us that initially
> even I was brain washed to believe that the Vedas had nothing else
> to do excepting teaching us predictive astrology! I was so
> convinced that it appeared that even the principle of Secondary
> Progressions must have been exported from India to Western
countries
> as the principle of "A day equals a year" was mentioned in our
> Vedas! But thank God, I woke up to the situation and could see
> through their tricks.
> > There are no Mesha, Vrisha etc. Rashis in the Vedas:
> > Leave alone predictive gimmicks, actually there are neither
> rashis like Mesha, Vrisha etc. nor planets like Mangal, Shani etc.
> in the Vedas, Upanishads, Brahmanas etc. Similarly, the Vedanga
> Jyotisha, the first indigenous astronomical work of 14th century
> BCE, just tells us only as to how to calculate tithi, nakshatra
and
> Uttarayana-cum- Tapah-cum Magha etc. months. It does not list any
> Mesha etc. rashis nor any planets like Mangal, Budha etc. Same is
> the case with Yajur Jyotisha of about 11th century BCE and later
> Atharva Jyotisha of about 5th century BCE. As such, it is really a
> fraud on the Vedas being played by some charlatans to call any
> predictive gimmicks as Vedic astrology and hail themselves
as "Vedic
> Jyotishis". It is a crime under "The Consumer Protection Act" as
it
> is a misrepresentation of facts to a client and is thus a
deficiency
> in service.
> >
> > Our predictions in the past also could never have been correct:
> > It is said that over the past about 2000 years, our ancestors
> like Varahamihira or his son Prithuyashas etc., could make
> marvellously correct predictions. THAT IS NOTHING BUT HOGWASH! Let
> us see how: prior to the advent of scientific astronomy into
India,
> i.e. about a couple of centuries back, panchangas were based on
> astronomical works like the Surya Sidhanta or Aryabhati or
Sidhanta
> Shirmoani etc. etc. I have prepared a software called "Mahesh". It
> calculates, apart from the actual tithi, nakshatra, yoga, karna
> etc., the mean longitudes of all the planets from 10000 BCE to
12030
> AD i.e. for more than 22,000 years as per the Surya Sidhanta,
> Aryabhati or Sidhanta Shiromani etc. besides comparing them with
the
> longitudes as per modern astronomy. Anybody can download it freely
> from my discussion forum
> > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/HinduCalen dar
> > Unfortunately for these jyotishis, we find that the very
> fundamental arguments of these sidahntas like the Surya Sidhanta,
> the Aryabhati, the Sidhanta Shiromani etc. etc. are absolutely
> wrong! .
> > That naturally means that any panchanga based on them would also
> be wrong, with the result that any horoscope prepared on the basis
> of those panchangas could never be correct. Thus it is impossible
> for any astrological predictions to have been correct in the past!
> As such, it is all like the famous couplet of Ghalib "yoon to hai
> hamko janat ki haqeeqat maloom lekin; dil ke bahlane ko Ghalib yeh
> khayal achha hai"
> >
> > Astrology cannot be a science
> > Predictive astrology is supposed to be a "science"! What a
> preposterous statement! When the data on which predictions were
> based or are based these days are not correct, how can the results
> be correct and how can we call it a science at all?
> >
> > Stars do not affect us:
> > It is said that stars affect us! It appears either these
> astrologers have gone honkers themselves or they suppose that the
> whole world has really gone mad! Let us see how:
> > I am a puny human being on this small planet called earth. The
> sun is hundreds of thousands of times larger than the earth! And
> there are other stars of our nakshatra/rashichak ra that are
supposed
> to affect me individually as per the Dasha-Bhukti that is running
in
> my horoscope! However, this fantastic statement has no leg to
stand
> upon since the nearest star of that Rashichakra is Shravana! And
do
> you know its distance from me? It is seventeen light years! And it
> is several times larger than our sun! In other words, if that star
> wants i.e. Shravana wants to "affect" me individually, it will
take
> it at least seventeen years to do so even if that "effect" travels
> at the speed of light! And by then, my Rahu or Shani or whatever
> Dasha it may be must have been over! Then how can such a star
which
> is trillions of times larger than me send its rays in a
concentrated
> form just to haunt me at a particular point of time! Can you
> imagine what type of laughing stocks we are
> > making of ourselves by believing in such hocus pocus!
> > Similarly, the next nearest star of our Rashichakra is Swati !
It
> is away by 26 light years from me
> > and is again several times larger than our sun!!
> > It thus defies imagination as to how we can call astrology a
> science or how it can be said that the "Stars affect us".
> >
> > Patri Melapak (Horoscope Matching) is not warranted by shastras
> nor astrology books:
> > Now coming to the fad called Patri Melapak i.e. horoscope
> matching! This fad is the rage of the day! You will be surprised
to
> know that none of our shastras, whether the Manusmriti or the
> Ramayana or the Mahabharata, leave alone the Vedas, have anything
to
> do with Patri Melapak even by mistake! We do not find any
instances
> that any Vedic Rishi was addicted to such a fad, since may be then
> most of them would still have been looking for a "suitable Patri"
> for melapak! Not to speak of Dharma shastras, there is no mention
of
> this type of a malady in any of the astrology books like the so
> called Parashari, or Mansagari or Phala Deepika or Jataka Parijata
> or any other work! It appears to be a creation of the jyotishis of
> over the last one hundred years or so. Aleberuni, who visited
India
> in 1030 AD and recorded quite faithfully all his experiences about
> Jyotisha and other things in India also has not mentioned anything
> of any "Melapak" in his work!
> >
> > "All India Calendar Reform Committee":
> > Summing up, as we have just seen, not only are we subjected to
> non-existent fear psychosis like Kalasarpa Dosha and Patri Melapak
> etc. but we are compelled to celebrate all our festivals on worng
> days. There are quite a few people who agree with my point of
> view that these days we are celebrating Pitra Amavasya on the day
of
> Dipavali and marriages during Pitra-Paksha! Similarly, we never
> celebrate Makar Sankranti on correct days i.e. December 21/22 but
we
> celebrate it on January 14. We also celebrate Vaishakhi on April
14
> instead of the day of Spring Equinox i.e., March 21 or so. This
has
> been all because of the so called "Vedic astrology"
> > To put our festivals back on the right track, I made quite a few
> representations to the Hon'ble President of India, the Prime
> Minister of India, various ministries besides the Positional
> Astronomy Centre at Calcutta, who publish our Rashtriya Panchanga.
> I also made similar representations to all the reverred
> Shankaracharyas of all the six peethas, besides other saints and
> Mahatmas, but sorry to say, there has been absolutely no response
> from any quarter!
> > We have now formed an "All India Calendar Reform Committee" and
> are enrolling members for the same. Those interested can log on to
> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/HinduCalen dar for entering into
> discussions regarding the same. You can also get a list of correct
> dates of festivals for 2006 and 2007 from that forum. As an
> alternative, you can get in touch with me whenever you want to for
> any further clarifications.
> > Thank you very much for listening to this "exhortation"
> against "Vedic astrology" and the efforts I am making to
streamline
> our calendars. Om tat sat
> brahmarpanam astu
> > Avtar Krishen Kaul
> > President
> > All India Calendar Reform Committee
> > H. No. 5, MIG, 00-A,
> > Sector-2, Avantika, Rohini, Delhi-110085.
> > Email:jyotirved@ ...; a_krishen@ .; Tel. 011-27516483
> >
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> > Dharmo Rakshati Rakshata
> > If you protect Dharma, Dharma will in turn protect you
> >
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