Where can I find a RPM for any version of picasa

[Garthhh]

It seems picasa for linux is no more

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Garthhh <gcho...@gmail.com> [02-19-12 13:27]:

> It seems picasa for linux is no more

Guess you really didn't know. I *never* was. It was just the windows
version packaged with wine and pre-configured for you.

It is no problem to install any windows version (as far as I recall) via
wine but really, 3.9 is the best version.
wine /<path-to-install-pgm/picasa39-setup.exe

there are some other steps for different things, see:
http://www.webupd8.org/2012/01/install-picasa-39-in-linux-and-fix.html
everything does not work for everyone.
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[Garthhh]

I know you always say that

there had been a nice officially supported 3.0 version, with the emulator built in

without a bunch of mucking around with wine & terminals

not worth the trouble to get the ability to browse my files en masse

G+ seems to work fine with digicam

[mhenriday]

Den söndagen den 19:e februari 2012 kl. 21:12:16 UTC+1 skrev ptilo...@gmail.com:

* Garthhh <gcho...@gmail.com> [02-19-12 13:27]:
> It seems picasa for linux is no more

Guess you really didn't know.  I *never* was.  It was just the windows
version packaged with wine and pre-configured for you.

It is no problem to install any windows version (as far as I recall) via
wine but really, 3.9 is the best version.
  wine /<path-to-install-pgm/picasa39-setup.exe

there are some other steps for different things, see:
 http://www.webupd8.org/2012/01/install-picasa-39-in-linux-and-fix.html
everything does not work for everyone.  
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I, of course, agree Patrick ; there never has been a native version of Picasa for Linux and it's no great trouble to install Wine, download Picasa for Windows, and run the application in Wine (at least that's my experience with .deb distros, can't say how it works with .rpm distros). But in a certain sense Garthhh is correct, though I suspect he's unaware of it - have you tried sending a Picasa 3.9 image to a group of persons you've defined in your Gmail account ? It seems this can no longer be done ; in its rush to force Google+ on users, the ability to perform this simple task has been blocked and one is now required to supply recipient addresses one at a time. Note, however, that the same thing holds true for Picasa 3.9 in Windows OS, so it's not a special disposition for us Linux users. From what I understand, images can still be sent to Gmail groups in Picasa 3.8. Sad, I think, that Google seems to feel that removing long-standing options from one of its most popular programmes is necessary in order to get users to move to Google+....

Henri

[Garthhh]

I just set up a new box & went to the picasa download site & was told my operating system is not supported

running anything in wine [proper] requires a certain amount of fussing around, which holds no attraction for me

I'm certainly not going to suggest that any of the people I've set up simple web surfing photo management boxes for do that

[The Real Bev]

Can you still get 3.0? It comes with its own wine and, as I recall, was
not troublesome to set up. Newer versions don't do anything that I care
about, so I'm still using 3.0 with its own wine, the only wine I have
installed.

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[Patrick Shanahan]

* mhenriday <mhen...@gmail.com> [02-20-12 13:29]:

>
> I, of course, agree Patrick ; there never has been a native version of
> Picasa for Linux and it's no great trouble to install Wine, download

> Picasafor Windows, and run the application in Wine (at least that's my

> experience with .deb distros, can't say how it works with .rpm distros).

opensuse 11.2, 12.1, 12.1
all are rpm systems ;^)

I would have difficulty with .deb having never used it.

[Garthhh]

I'm certainly aware that picasa used to come with a custom version of a windows emulator, but no longer

the google for linux repositories http://www.google.com/linuxrepositories/

no longer list picasa

no way to tell if linux is just the 1st to lose picasa, or if there will be a different version when Picasa 4.0 comes out

time to move on, as far as I can tell

I can't recommend picasa anymore for the people I've set up websurfing/photoediting boxes

G+ webalbums seems to work fine with Digicam if I go from the G+ side

[Garthhh]

I went to look for 3.0, as I'm setting up a new box & can't seem to find a trace of it through official channels

[The Real Bev]

On 02/20/2012 07:12 PM, Garthhh wrote:

> I went to look for 3.0, as I'm setting up a new box & can't seem to find
> a trace of it through official channels

I have picasa-3.0-current.i386.rpm dated Aug 19 2011. It's a 32MB file.
If you can't find it I can send it to you or put it on GigaSize (if
it's still around, or if I can find an equivalent).

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life. Then you're pretty much hosed no matter what you wish for.
Unless it's death by meteor. --Demotivators

[Garthhh]

ahh a different sort of solution

I had found a download, but was/am in dependency hell

since gnome2 is not much longer for this world [on distros I'm willing to use] I'm using KDE, which seems to present other problems for some of the ways I'm used to doing things

the picasa photo manager tool I miss the most is the ability to scroll through all my file without jumping from folder to folder

I have a few Google accounts, some with picasa webAlbums & some with G+

I can pull pics to both, which avoids the sign-in madness that trying to push from picasamanager [pm] can cause

though it would be interesting to learn how to copy a working version of PM & get it working on a different machine, I'm not sure 

The Juice is worth the squeeze :D

after having a look around, I wouldn't bet on the future of Picasa on any OS

G+ is the future

[The Real Bev]

Sorry to hear that because, unlike the google products I've chosen to
use, it's a piece of crap. Worse than facebook.

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[Garthhh]

all the circles & such are not what I have in mind either

the webalbums are fine, they default to private, unless you ask for a link to share

the links generate easier

pulling instead of pushing pics to the albums, actually makes sense

on spreadsheets & data bases, pulling is recommended over pushing

I'll be happy when G+ stops asks to ransack my addressbook so it can share

I have a gmail/google account just for webalbums, blogger

I keep one browser signed in to this account, so I don't get tangled up with sign in/out

I wish google would spend some time fixing multi-account integration, which is more important than another failed attempt a FB clone

[The Real Bev]

On 02/22/2012 08:20 AM, Garthhh wrote:

> all the circles & such are not what I have in mind either
> the webalbums are fine, they default to private, unless you ask for a
> link to share
> the links generate easier
> pulling instead of pushing pics to the albums, actually makes sense
> on spreadsheets & data bases, pulling is recommended over pushing

You can do that with picasa, and you HAVE to do it with movies in 3.0.

> I'll be happy when G+ stops asks to ransack my addressbook so it can share
> I have a gmail/google account just for webalbums, blogger
> I keep one browser signed in to this account, so I don't get tangled up
> with sign in/out
> I wish google would spend some time fixing multi-account integration,
> which is more important than another failed attempt a FB clone

I'd rather keep the two accounts in separate links, but NOOOOOOO.

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[Garthhh]

I really want to run  3 accounts

business

personal

general mischief

the mail part of that works

the bookmarks & everything else is a mess

it's like workspaces

I do different things on different workspaces

given the choice I would have different instances of the same browser open on each, with different accounts

I don't want notifications, intruding

my wife wants to pick up where she left off

I don't want everything thrown in a big pile on some weird desktop environment, better suited to a phone or tablet

oh shit we're not talking about the mess at ubun

you run arch don't you?

which DE?

KDE has lots of nice stuff [choice] but is a hog, might as well be running windows speed wise

[Kervin Ramen]

http://www.webupd8.org/2012/01/install-picasa-39-in-linux-and-fix.html

This works!!

[Stephen]

Use Google Chrome and which has a built-in feature to use different IDs. Then you'll have different bookmarks synced for each account all within the same browser session. At least that's how I understand it works -- I personally don't use it.

On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Garthhh <gcho...@gmail.com> wrote:

I really want to run  3 accounts

business

personal

general mischief

the mail part of that works

the bookmarks & everything else is a mess

it's like workspaces

I do different things on different workspaces

given the choice I would have different instances of the same browser open on each, with different accounts

--

[Stephen]

Well yeah, the solution was posted here some time ago. You gotta learn to read the archives folks! 

On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Kervin Ramen <kerv...@gmail.com> wrote:

This works!!

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[The Real Bev]

On 02/22/2012 10:33 AM, Kervin Ramen wrote:

> http://www.webupd8.org/2012/01/install-picasa-39-in-linux-and-fix.html
>
> This works!!

And this is supposed to convince me that I should upgrade from 3.0? Not
bloody likely, just the opposite. You've been of TREMENDOUS help, thank
you!

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[Patrick Shanahan]

* The Real Bev <bashl...@gmail.com> [02-22-12 17:29]:

> On 02/22/2012 10:33 AM, Kervin Ramen wrote:
>
> >http://www.webupd8.org/2012/01/install-picasa-39-in-linux-and-fix.html
> >
> >This works!!
>
> And this is supposed to convince me that I should upgrade from 3.0? Not
> bloody likely, just the opposite. You've been of TREMENDOUS help, thank
> you!

And it's only *one* step more difficult than installing the 3.0 version
you are glued to :^)

[The Real Bev]

On 02/22/2012 03:35 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

> * The Real Bev<bashl...@gmail.com> [02-22-12 17:29]:
>> On 02/22/2012 10:33 AM, Kervin Ramen wrote:
>>
>> >http://www.webupd8.org/2012/01/install-picasa-39-in-linux-and-fix.html
>> >
>> >This works!!
>>
>> And this is supposed to convince me that I should upgrade from 3.0? Not
>> bloody likely, just the opposite. You've been of TREMENDOUS help, thank
>> you!

I meant that, it wasn't a snotty comment. I now have no reason at all
to go to 3.9 so I can stop thinking about it!

> And it's only *one* step more difficult than installing the 3.0 version
> you are glued to :^)

For larger values of "one":

1. Install new wine (somebody said I should do that rather than using
the one that came with 3.0, and which will probably break something that
will need to be fixed).

2. Install winetricks, whatever that is. It probably needs 3 nested
libraries, all of which are only available as .deb files and one of
which won't install under any circumstances

3. Use winetricks to install <sniff> IE.

I installed notepad under the picasa 3.0 wine (just as a test), and I
may try installing some garmin GPS stuff, but I draw the line at IE.

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[Patrick Shanahan]

* The Real Bev <bashl...@gmail.com> [02-22-12 19:24]:

>
> I installed notepad under the picasa 3.0 wine (just as a test), and I may
> try installing some garmin GPS stuff, but I draw the line at IE.
>

yeah, notepad is easy :^)

I messed with garmin and didn't have much luck. I use googlemaps on my
atrix insteal. I have to pay for the internet but ....

[Garthhh]

yup I agree

played around with wine a couple of years ago

in the end it was easier to use something native to linux & suffer the learning curve

I have a working version of 3.9 on a virtual install of XP, I didn't see anything that was must have

using a different photo manager, I'll miss, being able to see what's synced & scanning my files en masse

this group ceased to be relevant, once the marginal support from OBO [our benevolent overlords] dried up

after all the name is

Google labs for picasa for linux

not

wine tricks for picasa 

Hope springs eternal

I'll stay subscribed in case a truely native version comes out [see google earth]

[The Real Bev]

On 02/22/2012 09:32 PM, Garthhh wrote:

> yup I agree

With whom? Those of us who subscribe by email don't see things the same
way that those who look at the website do. It would help a lot of you
could include at least a few lines (including the attribution) of the
post you're replying to.

BTW, I never see my own posts.

> this group ceased to be relevant, once the marginal support from OBO
> [our benevolent overlords] dried up after all the name is Google
> labs for picasa for linux not wine tricks for picasa

Google seems to be making things more difficult for the users, rather
than more convenient.

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Directors of the Great Western Railway

[Garthhh]

To Bev

I clicked reply on your post

I seem to remember that the group thing worked a bit better before the changes to groups in jan 2010 [once again in agreement to your point about google making things harder]

I agree with you that wine is buggy & of limited value

Google products are being geared to mobile devices, from where I sit the desktop/laptop won't be dead in the foreseeable future

I don't need or want a omni interface

[Patrick Shanahan]

* The Real Bev <bashl...@gmail.com> [02-23-12 10:50]:

> On 02/22/2012 09:32 PM, Garthhh wrote:
> >yup I agree
>
> With whom? Those of us who subscribe by email don't see things the same
> way that those who look at the website do. It would help a lot of you
> could include at least a few lines (including the attribution) of the
> post you're replying to.
>
> BTW, I never see my own posts.

to see your own posts, post via your isp and use your google addr. I see
all my posts. DON'T post thru/via google-smtp.

[The Real Bev]

On 02/23/2012 01:42 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

> * The Real Bev<bashl...@gmail.com> [02-23-12 10:50]:
>> On 02/22/2012 09:32 PM, Garthhh wrote:
>> >yup I agree
>>
>> With whom? Those of us who subscribe by email don't see things the same
>> way that those who look at the website do. It would help a lot of you
>> could include at least a few lines (including the attribution) of the
>> post you're replying to.
>>
>> BTW, I never see my own posts.
>
> to see your own posts, post via your isp and use your google addr. I see
> all my posts. DON'T post thru/via google-smtp.

Seeing my own posts is a minor thing -- if I forget what I wrote I can
look in my SENT file. I generally use google smtp because I don't like
my ISP and can't use its smtp server unless I'm at home. Is there a
problem? I know google saves copies of the stuff I send even when I use
TB, and I periodically go in and delete everything at the gmail site.
Or at least I THINK I do... I can't see a reason that they'd keep
everything, but I can't see a reason not to either :-(

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[Patrick Shanahan]

* The Real Bev <bashl...@gmail.com> [02-23-12 21:01]:

>
> Seeing my own posts is a minor thing -- if I forget what I wrote I can
> look in my SENT file.

I guess you can file that under "personal preference"

> I generally use google smtp because I don't like my ISP and can't use
> its smtp server unless I'm at home.

I do *all* my mail from *home*. If I am away, I ssh into my home boxes
and post from there. This way I have access to everything and do not have
to jump thru hoops.... for *anything*.

> Is there a problem? I know google saves copies of the stuff I send even
> when I use TB, and I periodically go in and delete everything at the
> gmail site. Or at least I THINK I do... I can't see a reason that
> they'd keep everything, but I can't see a reason not to either :-(

There is always the *possibility*. I cannot comment on tb as I have never
used it. I started using mutt when there was still netscape and even
before that, never changed. I'm a keyboard user, never liked mice and
gui's.

[Stephen]

Yeah mutt rules, still use it for list e-mail from Linux mailman lists. Have it setup to use Google IMAP on another Gmail account I have too.

Bev you might want to check out Google's IMAP rather than using SMTP locally. That's so 90's. Thunderbird supports IMAP too. :-P

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[Garthhh]

What's the advantage of using a mail client anyway?

I run 4 email accounts through the gmail browser, it's the other G stuff that gives me fits with sign in

[Stephen]

I usually use my web browser too with Gmail and these Google Lists (via Google account  e-mail). 

In terms of email lists though an e-mail reader like mutt is the only way one can read a voluminous e-mail list. Using Gmail would be very problematic as it doesn't do proper threading or replies on text based e-mail lists.

On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Garthhh <gcho...@gmail.com> wrote:

What's the advantage of using a mail client anyway?

I run 4 email accounts through the gmail browser, it's the other G stuff that gives me fits with sign in

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[Garth Hoyman]

What would proper threading mean?

for me the email from this list, comes nested [it doesn't look much different than the online version]

I filter into a folder with some other groups

[Stephen]

There's a lot of difference in threading and sorting by subject. In any event if you've ever tried posting using Gmail web interface to a Linux/Unix e-mail list  you'd know what I mean. ;)

Read the man page on mutt. It's the best e-mail reader there is bar none. Bit of a learning curve though.

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[The Real Bev]

On 02/24/2012 06:39 AM, Stephen wrote:

> Yeah mutt rules, still use it for list e-mail from Linux mailman lists.
> Have it setup to use Google IMAP on another Gmail account I have too.
>
> Bev you might want to check out Google's IMAP rather than using SMTP
> locally. That's so 90's. Thunderbird supports IMAP too. :-P

The whole point is to NOT have my email out in the cloud. Google may
keep a secret copy or it may not, but on the off-chance that they're
honest I clear out the site every so often.

It's easy enough to copy my thunderbird mail files when I update/backup
my computer.

> On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 11:59 PM, Patrick Shanahan <ptilo...@gmail.com

> <mailto:ptilo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> * The Real Bev <bashl...@gmail.com <mailto:bashl...@gmail.com>>

> [02-23-12 21:01]:
> >
> > Seeing my own posts is a minor thing -- if I forget what I wrote
> I can
> > look in my SENT file.
>
> I guess you can file that under "personal preference"
>
> > I generally use google smtp because I don't like my ISP and can't use
> > its smtp server unless I'm at home.
>
> I do *all* my mail from *home*. If I am away, I ssh into my home boxes
> and post from there. This way I have access to everything and do
> not have
> to jump thru hoops.... for *anything*.

When I'm not at home I turn my machine off.

> > Is there a problem? I know google saves copies of the stuff I
> send even
> > when I use TB, and I periodically go in and delete everything at the
> > gmail site. Or at least I THINK I do... I can't see a reason that
> > they'd keep everything, but I can't see a reason not to either :-(
>
> There is always the *possibility*. I cannot comment on tb as I have
> never
> used it. I started using mutt when there was still netscape and even
> before that, never changed. I'm a keyboard user, never liked mice and
> gui's.

My husband has NEVER used a GUI on his main machine. He put together a
secondary machine just to run X and whatever other stuff might require
it. He feels dirty, though :-)

I use whatever is necessary. Even windows sometimes...

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[The Real Bev]

On 02/24/2012 08:52 AM, Stephen wrote:

> There's a lot of difference in threading and sorting by subject. In any
> event if you've ever tried posting using Gmail web interface to a
> Linux/Unix e-mail list you'd know what I mean. ;)

I've never seen a "forum" that didn't make me scream, and that includes
gmail.

> Read the man page on mutt. It's the best e-mail reader there is bar none.
> Bit of a learning curve though.

I used to use pine and tin. When I discovered Netscape (.9!) I liked it
better. Xterms are good for some things and not for others.

> On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Garth Hoyman<gcho...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> What would proper threading mean?

This is proper threading, with >s added depending on the depth. Tabbing
in isn't the same thing.

>> for me the email from this list, comes nested [it doesn't look much
>> different than the online version]
>> I filter into a folder with some other groups
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 7:42 AM, Stephen<stephen...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I usually use my web browser too with Gmail and these Google Lists (via
>>> Google account e-mail).

I feel your pain...

>>> In terms of email lists though an e-mail reader like mutt is the only way
>>> one can read a voluminous e-mail list. Using Gmail would be very
>>> problematic as it doesn't do proper threading or replies on text based
>>> e-mail lists.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Garthhh<gcho...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> What's the advantage of using a mail client anyway?

You can configure it pretty much any way you want. You can see a LOT of
headers at once and decide what you want to read and what's crap. You
can keep your mail on your own machine where evil-doers probably won't
have access to it. It just LOOKS better.

I just counted. I have 26 mail and news accounts, and I can look at
anything in any one of them within seconds, with no need to go to a mess
of different web sites.

>>>> I run 4 email accounts through the gmail browser, it's the other G stuff
>>>> that gives me fits with sign in

Only FOUR? <guffaw>

[Stephen]

No, threading in an e-mail client is sorting according to the message-id, then the other usual criteria <ie> date, subject and any other headers you may wish to use.

What you're referring to Bev, is completely different and an etiquette thang for how to attribute and post. :)

On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 1:48 AM, The Real Bev <bashl...@gmail.com> wrote:

 What would proper threading mean?

This is proper threading, with >s added depending on the depth.  Tabbing in isn't the same thing.

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[Garth Hoyman]

I suppose there could be some value to having everything on board [mail client]

I get the feeling it's more habit than anything

if you are worried about evildoers having access, the only real solution is

Don't be online

unless you're amish, the anti-cloud argument, doesn't make much sense

I use 4 email accounts, I have 15

I'm a member of somewhere around 100 forums, active on 10 maybe, they all seem to have certain local customs, many times dictated by the technology/organizational structure.

Most any FOSS project will use mailing lists for the devs,

the devs will claim it's the best [most efficient] structure

it's what they're used to

the social organizations haven't kept up with technology

changes are happening

the documentation [help files] should assemble themselves as the products are developed.  Which probably will use a different database than mailing lists

there are the beginnings of this kind of integration

my personal helpfiles are in the cloud

I can access any of it through my global bookmarks

I'm probably going to start syncing bookmarks to a couple of browsers

Chrome & opera

I'm on junk, outdated hardware, which may quit without warning

I keep my pictures & music backed up

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Stephen <stephen...@gmail.com> [02-25-12 06:54]:

> No, threading in an e-mail client is sorting according to the message-id,
> then the other usual criteria <ie> date, subject and any other headers you
> may wish to use.
>
> What you're referring to Bev, is completely different and an etiquette
> thang for how to attribute and post. :)
>
> On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 1:48 AM, The Real Bev <bashl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > What would proper threading mean?

a visual of mutt's threading is here:

http://wahoo.no-ip.org/~pat/mutt.threading.jpg

[The Real Bev]

On 02/25/2012 08:39 AM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

> * Stephen<stephen...@gmail.com> [02-25-12 06:54]:
>> No, threading in an e-mail client is sorting according to the message-id,
>> then the other usual criteria<ie> date, subject and any other headers you
>> may wish to use.
>>
>> What you're referring to Bev, is completely different and an etiquette
>> thang for how to attribute and post. :)
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 1:48 AM, The Real Bev<bashl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > What would proper threading mean?
>
> a visual of mutt's threading is here:
>
> http://wahoo.no-ip.org/~pat/mutt.threading.jpg

Thunderbid looks a lot like that. I have 3 windows arranged
horizontally. The left one contains the list of accounts+groups or
files stuff is sorted into, the middle one looks like yours, and the
right one contains the current message. Perfect format for a wide screen.

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[Stephen]

Imagine that my top quoting is driving you nuts eh? ;) My Stephen.D.Allen account is the only not used with mutt. But have to admit that I've grown used to GoogleMail through the browser. Never thought I'd say that as soon back as 2005. LOL

BTW noticed you on The GIMPs mailing list. I use mutt there under my other gmail addy. 

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[Stephen]

No Thunderbird doesn't sort that way, trust me I've used it. Look closer. ;)

On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 1:13 PM, The Real Bev <bashl...@gmail.com> wrote:

On 02/25/2012 08:39 AM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Stephen<stephen.d.allen@gmail.com>  [02-25-12 06:54]:

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On 02/25/2012 10:13 AM, Stephen wrote:

> Imagine that my top quoting is driving you nuts eh? ;)

No, I've learned to forgive the ineptitude of others :-)

It sometimes actually makes sense, but mostly not. I favor the
interspersed' method, wherein replies relate to the quoted message
directly above. Like I'm doing now.

> My
> Stephen.D.Allen account is the only not used with mutt. But have to
> admit that I've grown used to GoogleMail through the browser. Never
> thought I'd say that as soon back as 2005. LOL
>
> BTW noticed you on The GIMPs mailing list. I use mutt there under my
> other gmail addy.
>
> On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Patrick Shanahan <ptilo...@gmail.com
> <mailto:ptilo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> * Stephen <stephen...@gmail.com

> <mailto:stephen...@gmail.com>> [02-25-12 06:54]:

> > No, threading in an e-mail client is sorting according to the
> message-id,
> > then the other usual criteria <ie> date, subject and any other
> headers you
> > may wish to use.
> >
> > What you're referring to Bev, is completely different and an
> etiquette
> > thang for how to attribute and post. :)

Not necessarily, it's mostly up to the mail program, whether web or
client. I assume this message is going to be really ugly because it
looks really ugly to me as I'm typing. Not MY part, of course, just the
others :-)

Why does googlegroups NOT recognize the standard hyphen-hyphen-space sig
delimiter? Each message contains multiple copies of the 'You received
this message...' blurb.

[The Real Bev]

On 02/25/2012 10:14 AM, Stephen wrote:

> No Thunderbird doesn't sort that way, trust me I've used it. Look closer. ;)

OK, FUNCTIONALLY similar. Except for the message numbers. I can choose
which columns to see, where to put them, and the fonts and colors of the
text and colors for various levels of threading.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/74502442@N00/6929026171/in/photostream/lightbox/

html messages (like the one I'm replying to) are problematical.

[Patrick Shanahan]

* The Real Bev <bashl...@gmail.com> [02-25-12 13:49]:

> On 02/25/2012 10:14 AM, Stephen wrote:
>
> >No Thunderbird doesn't sort that way, trust me I've used it. Look closer. ;)
>
> OK, FUNCTIONALLY similar. Except for the message numbers. I can choose
> which columns to see, where to put them, and the fonts and colors of the
> text and colors for various levels of threading.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/74502442@N00/6929026171/in/photostream/lightbox/

yes, looks like the subject is grouped together by date posted. Mutt
actually shows which particular post is answering which other and displays
threads within threads.

> html messages (like the one I'm replying to) are problematical.

Mutt does not, my editor throws away all but text and does not include
html, quotes or otherwise.

[The Real Bev]

On 02/25/2012 09:20 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

> * The Real Bev<bashl...@gmail.com> [02-25-12 13:49]:
>> On 02/25/2012 10:14 AM, Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> No Thunderbird doesn't sort that way, trust me I've used it. Look
>>> closer. ;)
>>
>> OK, FUNCTIONALLY similar. Except for the message numbers. I can
>> choose which columns to see, where to put them, and the fonts and
>> colors of the text and colors for various levels of threading.
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/74502442@N00/6929026171/in/photostream/lightbox/
>
> yes, looks like the subject is grouped together by date posted.

You can sort by any column heading, up or down. You can also show (or
hide) stuff according to filters. The newsgroups filters aren't as good
as the mail filters, but they're better than they used to be.

I can also rewrap text, so MY posts are prettier than most :-)

> Mutt actually shows which particular post is answering which other
> and displays threads within threads.

There are little dashed lines that do that, probably invisible in the
photo. Some visual stuff is dependent on what theme you use and
specific crap you write into a config file, and I've been working on
making TB and FF pretty since 1994, when they were Netscape .9.

>> html messages (like the one I'm replying to) are problematical.
>
> Mutt does not, my editor throws away all but text and does not
> include html, quotes or otherwise.

Sometimes I want the html crap, but mostly not. Husband uses nail and
throws away anything with attachments, so if somebody needs to send him
something they send it to me instead.

I feel so used :-)

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