CMS for GAE

[N. Rosencrantz]

Hi
One of the disadvantages with GAE is that there is no CMS like Drupal och Joomla to easily deploy new large projects. Is there a CMS for GAE in the making? I found myself creating the basic functions of a CMS from scratch ie adding, viewing, editing and deleting articles in a categorized system that I supposse Joomla could have done if it were PHP. Do you know of any projects for GAE that is like a CMS with the basic functions for instance that only the user who created an article can edit it?
Thanks
Niklas R

[Prashant Gupta]

Hi,

I am working on a CMS, called claymus which is under-development. I am planning to release a pre-release version asap and a stable version by end of this year.

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[N. Rosencrantz]

Thank you Prashant for informing about this exciting project that I
will follow.
Niklas

[Brandon Wirtz]

I looked at creating a CMS on AppEngine, and quickly discovered that the issue is that most users of a CMS want their plugins.  The hill to get over in terms  of install base is formidable when you consider that Java, and Python are not as commonly spoken languages as PHP, Ruby, and ASP.  That’s why www.LockerGnome.com moved to GAE via CDNinabox.com

 

Rather than porting code it was far cheaper and easier to use GAE as an Accelerator than it was to create a CMS from Scratch.

 

If you are going to build a CMS, from what our clients have asked for the top things they want that most CMS attempts are lacking:

Post Via XMLRPC

RSS by Tags, Author, Category

XML Sitemaps

Easy Conversion of themes from other CMS’s to the CMS

 

 

As such you may want to look at other Django templates for CMS’s and try and be compatible with those, or mostly compatible with those, to make it easier for users to switch.

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[Ikai Lan (Google)]

What about Vosao?

http://www.vosao.org/

Ikai Lan 
Developer Programs Engineer, Google App Engine

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[Brandon Wirtz]

It’s certainly the best choice out there, it is missing XML-RPC Posting,  NewPost Pinging to notify Google and others of new content, and it doesn’t have many templates for themes. (always hard because it chicken and eggs with content)

 

When I looked at it didn’t have good page caching so it was REALLY expensive to run.  I think I was looking at $1.75 CPM for hosting.  I could have re-written it to fix that… but out of the box it was rough.

[roberto.cr]

allbuttonspressed.com comes to mind. it's based off django nonrel and
works nice with appengine.
a friend of mine showed it to me.
it's nice, but not exactly what most people would want from a CMS.


but I really wouldn't recommend anyone making a CMS just because you
need it.
this kind of lone-ranger CMS always gets done basically for what the
person needs, and not what a flexible CMS is supposed to provide.
and with all the need for plugins to work off the box, I don't see a
quick Joomla or Wordpress port working...


the thing about app engine is that, as it's so new, there's not much
things developed for it.
and I predict it never will, unless python takes off as the main
language for web apps;
that would require other cloud services such as Cloud Foundry to want
this as well...

On 19 maio, 21:54, "Brandon Wirtz" <drak...@digerat.com> wrote:
> It's certainly the best choice out there, it is missing XML-RPC Posting,
> NewPost Pinging to notify Google and others of new content, and it doesn't
> have many templates for themes. (always hard because it chicken and eggs
> with content)
>
> When I looked at it didn't have good page caching so it was REALLY expensive
> to run.  I think I was looking at $1.75 CPM for hosting.  I could have

> re-written it to fix that. but out of the box it was rough.

>
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> Subject: Re: [google-appengine] CMS for GAE
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> What about Vosao?
>
> http://www.vosao.org/
>
> Ikai Lan
> Developer Programs Engineer, Google App Engine
>
> Blog:http://googleappengine.blogspot.com
>
> Twitter:http://twitter.com/app_engine
>
> Reddit:http://www.reddit.com/r/appengine
>

> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 9:10 AM, Brandon Wirtz <drak...@digerat.com> wrote:
>
> I looked at creating a CMS on AppEngine, and quickly discovered that the
> issue is that most users of a CMS want their plugins.  The hill to get over
> in terms  of install base is formidable when you consider that Java, and
> Python are not as commonly spoken languages as PHP, Ruby, and ASP.  That's

> whywww.LockerGnome.commoved to GAE via CDNinabox.com

> For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.

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[Johan Euphrosine]

What about starting from bloggart, it is pretty hackable, and recently
they added a Page system:
https://github.com/Arachnid/bloggart/commit/76d8f6cc4319cb89bef8fa761b1bfb2f9b9e1af8

I don't think there is ACL for Page yet, but it could be a nice contribution :)

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[Geoffrey Spear]

On May 19, 12:10 pm, "Brandon Wirtz" <drak...@digerat.com> wrote:
> in terms  of install base is formidable when you consider that Java, and
> Python are not as commonly spoken languages as PHP, Ruby, and ASP.  

You really think that Ruby and ASP are more "commonly spoken" than
Java and Python? Even PHP compares unfavorably with Java in most of
langpop.com's metrics, and Ruby and ASP don't touch Python in any of
them.

[Brandon Wirtz]

That's more deployed, not "spoken". Every Blogger and IT guy on the planet
can hack together a PHP Plugin for their CMS. Very Few can do that in
Python or Java.

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[ego008]

what about gae-django-cms.appspot.com?

code http://code.google.com/p/gae-django-cms/

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[Jeff Schnitzer]

On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Brandon Wirtz <dra...@digerat.com> wrote:
> That's more deployed, not "spoken".  Every Blogger and IT guy on the planet
> can hack together a PHP Plugin for their CMS.  Very Few can do that in
> Python or Java.

...and even fewer can do it in Ruby or C#.

Truly, PHP is in a class by itself.

Jeff

[Prashant Gupta]

Hi All,

Claymus is close to its (first) preview release. Only few bug fixes and minor modifications are remaining. Check out the live demo at http://demo.claymus.com . 

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[Maneesh Arora]

What's the unique advantage of having a CMS in GAE?

thanks,

Maneesh

http://mightytext.net

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[N. Rosencrantz]

Having something like a CMS eg like wordpress, joomla or mediawiki compatible then we won't have to start every project from scratch and project would become more configuration than programming which naturally is an advantage since programming takes more time than just configuring a new CMS deployment. I used web2py for a project when a friend wanted a quick website started and naturally to change pages we'd prefer a web-based editor instead of changing templates and redeploying. I'm glad to see some CMS are coming to app engine. Some frameworks offer features that are getting close to that of a CMS, for instance GAE Framework (www.gaeframework.com) comes with a blog engine and when you have a blog you are getting close the the functions of a CMS. Do you agree?

[Prashant Gupta]

Yes, you are right. Picking an opensource project and making it work for you is very easy, but making something from scratch has its own fun :) . I stared building Claymus because I felt need of Java based CMS which is made for GAE, considering what GAE is, how it is different from other hosting services, services/apis GAE is providing to developers, etc. etc. etc.

Claymus is designed to give you maximum flexibility and support to build your app on top of Claymus. Along with all the GAE features you can take advantage of Servlet Level caching to minimize delay and cpu usage, plugable modules and themes, etc ... (complete list will be put on updated Claymus Website :) ).

Regards,

Prashant

[Anton Danilchenko]

Thanks for a question!

Yes, blog application allow you to create sections (categories) and create pages (articles) into selected section. This is similar with CMS functionality. But we have not support change templates in web-based editor. You can change design of your web site one time, and this is affected each page.

Currently we have moved our applications to new version 2.0. But this apps not tested yet. We have two blogging systems - blog and blogs applications. Blog app - allow only for admin create and edit articles and sections. Blogs app - allow each user create personal blog and work with this blog. We need to complete both this applications to add flexibility to use for a different tasks.

Best regards, Anton.