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The below is forwarded at Russells suggestion.
My thinking on the matter is that even much larger bubbles will provide a useful analogue for experimentation - hence my suggestion of using a diffuser and hand pump to trial the idea in different waters to check lifetimes.
If anyone can think of good homebrew experiments to test the idea in different waters, please reply.
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From: "Russell Seitz" <russel...@gmail.com>
Date: 22 Apr 2011 00:23
Subject: Re: Testing brightwater
To: "Andrew Lockley" <andrew....@gmail.com>
I hope you will find the paper and its references helpful in informing your beliefs , but that presumes some familiarity with physical properties of water and the component gases of air ,including their solubility curves - CO2 is vastly different from say N2, but you want to create a briefly visible hydrosol of sorts . just twist the cap of a warm bottle of club soda.
It will flash white as microbubbles nucleate.
You then have a few hundred milliseconds to twist the cap back on before the bubbles grow several thousandfold in diameter, and displace enough water to spray you in the face.
If you can get such a system to settle down instead of erupting , at a point before the nucleated bubbles become visibly large and so prone to rise, and you dilute it to ~ 1ppmv, you will have a DIY hydrosol.
It won't look like much to the naked eye, though, unless it's several meters thick- you can scarcely brighten water unless it's deep enough to be dark in the first place.
I hope this crude illustration helps, and if it does , please share it with the group
On 21 April 2011 14:09, Andrew Lockley <andrew....@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Is transparency change a good proxy? It looks so from your tank . You'd need to correct for the existing murkiness using a control which settles at the same rate.
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> My suggestion is that a bicycle pump with a diffusion nozzle should work. Failing that you could use a soda fountain cartridge, but that's co2 not air. You can use the cartridge to pump air, but that's a bit complicated.
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> I don't know what's the best method, but I believe a homebrew experiment mat be possible . I hope you can help me work this up.
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> A
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> On 21 Apr 2011 16:26, "Russell Seitz" <russel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Water transparency and undershine are two different things
> >
> > On 21 April 2011 11:23, Russell Seitz <russel...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> With what will you supersaturate the water with air?
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> >>
> >> On 21 April 2011 05:11, Andrew Lockley <andrew....@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >>> It was a serious suggestion Russell. With the right nozzle, I'm sure a
> >>> school yard experiment can yield useful results, using change in opacity
> >>> measured visually.
> >>>
> >>> Take two buckets, bubble one. Leave them in the school yard. Measure
> >>> invisibility depth of a bright coin hourly, then daily, until there's no
> >>> longer a difference.
> >>>
> >>> How is that not a useful test?
> >>>
> >>> A
> >>> On 21 Apr 2011 05:38, "Russell Seitz" <russel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> > " a bicycle or car tyre pump, clock, standard diffuser nozzle and a
> >>> ruler
> >>> > with a coin taped to it (for checking cloudiness)."
> >>> >
> >>> > Don't forgot the coyote .
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> >>> > On 20 April 2011 20:28, Andrew Lockley <andrew....@gmail.com>
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By Shaun Tandon (AFP) –
WASHINGTON — The Arctic ice cap is melting at a startlingly rapid rate and may shrink to its smallest-ever level within weeks as the planet's temperatures rise, US scientists said Tuesday.
Researchers at the University of Colorado at Boulder said that the summer ice in the Arctic was already nearing its lowest level recorded, even though the summer melt season is not yet over.
"The numbers are coming in and we are looking at them with a sense of amazement," said Mark Serreze, director of the National Snow and Ice Data Center at the university.
"If the melt were to just suddenly stop today, we would be at the third lowest in the satellite record. We've still got another two weeks of melt to go, so I think we're very likely to set a new record," he told AFP.
The previous record was set in 2007 when the ice cap shrunk to 4.25 million square kilometers (1.64 million square miles), stunning scientists who had not forecast such a drastic melt so soon.
The Colorado-based center said that one potential factor could be an Arctic cyclone earlier this month. However, Serreze played down the effects of the cyclone and said that this year's melt was all the more remarkable because of the lack of special weather factors seen in 2007.
Serreze said that the extensive melt was in line with the effects of global warming, with the ice being hit by a double whammy of rising temperatures in the atmosphere and warmer oceans.
"The ice now is so thin in the spring just because of the general pattern of warming that large parts of the pack ice just can't survive the summer melt season anymore," he said.
Russia's Roshydromet environmental agency also reported earlier this month that the Arctic melt was reaching record levels. Several studies have predicted that the cap in the summer could melt completely in coming decades.
The thaw in the Arctic is rapidly transforming the geopolitics of the region, with the long forbidding ocean looking more attractive to the shipping and energy industries.
Five nations surround the Arctic Ocean -- Russia, which has about half of the coastline, along with Canada, Denmark, Norway and the United States -- but the route could see a growing number of commercial players.
The first ship from China -- the Xuelong, or Snow Dragon -- recently sailed from the Pacific to the Atlantic via the Arctic Ocean, cutting the distance by more than 40 percent.
Egill Thor Nielsson, an Icelandic scientist who participated in the expedition, said last week in Reykjavik that he expected China to be increasingly interested in the route as it was relatively easy to sail.
But the rapid melt affects local people's lifestyles and scientists warn of serious consequences for the rest of the planet. The Arctic ice cap serves a vital function by reflecting light and hence keeping the earth cool.
Serreze said it was possible that the rapid melt was a factor in severe storms witnessed in recent years in the United States and elsewhere as it changed the nature of the planet's temperature gradients.
The planet has charted a slew of record temperatures in recent years. In the continental United States, July was the hottest ever recorded with temperatures 3.3 degrees Fahrenheit (1.8 Celsius) higher than the average in the 20th century, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.
Most scientists believe that carbon emissions from industry cause global warming. Efforts to control the gases have encountered resistance in a number of countries, with some lawmakers in the United States questioning the science.
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