How is Fargo 2?

[Dave Winer]

There haven't been any questions here or reports of problems.

How is it working? Are you able to publish a site on beta.fargo.io?

Is the performance okay?

I'm thinking about the next steps, announcing it on the "user" list, writing about it on scripting.com, etc.

There are a bunch of developers of other projects who will find it interesting, but before I start talking about it publicly I'd like to get a sense if it's working for the people using it now.

Dave

[Eric Davis]

Everything worked perfectly for me when I played around with it on Saturday. Naming the outline ("noteric") and rendering/publishing the site went off without a hitch.

Performance was good. Everything was very snappy. I only worked with a freshly created outline, so can't speak to how the renderer/publisher handles outlines of any real size (yet, anyway).

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[Dave Winer]

Great! 

That's exactly how I hoped it would work. ;-)

Dave

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[Dave Winer]

BTW, I can render all of the Fargo Docs site in 2.2 seconds.

http://fargo.io/docs/

Dave

[Ken Smith]

Just back from class and I see this thread asking for notes on the experience of using Fargo 2. I'll type up a few things about what I've experienced.

I made a little test outline, akakensmith, and it powered up in a flash. It seems to be running on all cylinders. It's so nice to have Fargo underway like this again. I hope someday to write a little post about why I got hook on outlining--it's hard for me to explain, but there it is.

It's very good for morale to see Dave's occasional reference to poet-level instructions. I happen to have an MFA degree in poetry writing, so it feels personal, even though I know it's a cultural reference that's been out in the world for a while.

I have spent some time with the docs but not enough to find out when and why I am supposed to use the render button. I need to go back and look around and find the answer. 

I thought I'd be able to get older outline dates to appear in the "smith" public outline, where they were previously published in either Fargo or WordPress, but I'm not sure I have figured it out. It seems like I have to strip any WordPress attributes out of each entry and resave as outline type, for one thing. Not sure, but so far it seems like each entry has to be changed.

I tried to copy exactly the menu command from the sample Kim outline so as to update the header on my public outline and didn't manage it yet, not sure why.

I liked Fargo with a little narrower column last year but I haven't had time to work out the customization I'd need to put in place to go back to that. Probably mainly a matter of time to dig around and try things from the docs.

I saw the server for poets post when I got out of class tonight and will give it a close look. Fargo is important to me for several reasons, but one is certainly Dave's commitment to the widest technical access possible, with an eye on not just the elegance of the coding but also the foundations of democracy.

That's what comes to mind right now...many thanks.

Ken S.

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[Andy DeSoto]

I like Fargo 2 a lot. I've been trying to use it almost daily and have fun thinking about new ways I could use it over the course of the day. In the few weeks I've been a user I've shared notes with others, written blog posts, documented statistical and methodological details, and more. It's at the point where I am looking for a little more customizability (which is good -- that means nothing fundamental is missing from the experience!)

I have lots of thoughts, ideas, suggestions, etc. (okay, maybe not that many), but I think the answer Dave wants to hear is, and the truth is, that this seems to be a solid app that deserves to be spoken about publicly. Fargo 2 deserves the next step.

[Brian Milby]

I believe that I have located a possible bug:

- select "File\Name Outline..."

- enter a public name that is available

- click cancel

- select "File\Name Outline..."

-- The previously entered name will still appear on the right side of the dialog box, but the text entry field will be blank

-- You will be able to click the OK button

I did this with "brianmilby".  I checked the XML and the <link> was ".smallpict.com".  My first attempt at fixing it was to delete the <link> element and retry.  Fargo said that "brianmilby" was already in use.  I restored the link and "corrected" it, but whenever I try to visit the site I get 403 errors (access denied).

https://dl.dropbox.com/s/ig7vv4xv7iiyixc/brian.opml

[Brian Milby]

So far the performance seems very good.  I've tried on a Mac in Snow Leopard (pretty old hardware) and Win7 - both in Chrome.  I used to do a site in Frontier years ago and this is really promising.

[Tom Clifton]

I am not sure why, but Fargo 2 has not been working for me. The connection between Fargo and Dropbox works fine, my edits to my outlines show up in Dropbox. But the connection to beta.fargo.io isn't working. The home page at http://beta.fargo.io/users/pointlobos/ is there, but I get 403 errors for the cheat sheet and birds 1934-1935. The bird check list is rendered, but hasn't updated since I first rendered it nearly a week ago. It also rendered out as a list and not a working outline. I have tried clearing the history and using a different browser but still haven't had any luck.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Tom

[Dave Winer]

Good report. The Name Outline command needed some attention..

http://fargo.io/blog/2014/02/07/fargo144.html

Dave

[Dave Winer]

Tom, you don't say what you've done to get them to render.

Have you tried Render All Pages in the File menu?

Not sure what you mean by a "working outline."

Dave

[Ken Smith]

Here is a roughed-out linkblog format in Fargo 2 that is running on my own domain now:

http://littlemessages.com/users/140s/

Not everything is final--I haven't got the header's automatic address link to a subdomain to work yet in S3. Each day's date is entered by hand rather than through a calendar + action. There's no way for anyone to point to something that lives in the middle of this page. And I will probably turn off the Disqus at the bottom. Readers have to intuit that each line is an active link.

I repurposed two scripts that community members provided last year. One sets a new entry's attributes (isFeedItem:true, type:link and then requests and sets the link's url) and the other posts the entry as a tweet from the Fargo screen (with the url). The entries do appear in an RSS feed, too.

So far so good.

Ken

Set link and url
	op.attributes.setOne ("type", "link");
	op.attributes.setOne ("url",  "");
	op.attributes.setOne ("isFeedItem", "true");
	dialog.ask ("Paste the URL here:", "", "here!", function (url) {
		op.attributes.setOne("url", url);
			});

Tweet from Fargo 
	var text = op.getLineText();
	var link = op.attributes.getOne ("url");
	window.open("https://twitter.com/share?text=" + text + "&url=" + link,"_blank");

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