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The whole concept of the triune brain shows that certain broad areas of the
brain show 1 of 3 functions. reptilian, limbic, cortex or thought.
My suggestion is that the amygdala is the center and perceiver of these activities
just from the brain map.
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The idea of looking for a spatio-temporal location of the mental (or soul) categories in the brain is wrong IHMO, and it is surprising to heart this from you Roger. Brain localization of mental functions is like trying to locate physically the spell checker of a word processor in the hardware of a personal computer. The spell checker uses most of the hardware.
But there are low level computer functions that are physically located, such are the floating point unit, the memory transfer unit etc. 锟絋here are a parallelism in the brain: 锟絀HMO there is a confusion between very specialized functions, like sensory processing, which are localized for reasons of processing efficiency and wider, higuer level functions like the self, which are not subject to this restriction. As far as i know, the amygdala is part of these efficiency-constrained parts of the brain. For this reason it is almost a separate organ. It is in charge of 锟絜arly processing of sensory data to trigger rapid responses before they are consciously锟絘nalysed.
�Since neuroscience omits or seems not to feature the most important part of the brain, the self,I've decided to try to locate it. I believe it is the amygdala.�����The amygdala is a small brain organ which is not pictured in the above diagram
but is in the center of the reptelian brain in the above diagram.锟絀n fact it is at the
well-protected center of the entire brain, where common sense, overall access to
brain functions,锟絘nd necessary�survival tells you it ought to be. 锟絀ts function is to alert
you to anything dangerous in your path such as a snake. Thus it must havetwo functions, a cognitive one to tell a branch from a snake, andan affective one (fear) to cause you to jump back from the snake.�amygdala = cognitive + affective�Although neuroscience does not consider consciousness to be a dipole as below:�Cs = subject + object��It is a logical necessity. My suggestion is that the subject is the amygdalaand the object is any needed part of the brain (you can find maps of thesethrough Google.�In this model, consciousness is at the bottom based on feelings,
such as the sense of passing time,or self-centered fear. Above or beyond锟絘re
the cognitive functions necessary for thinking and image perception.����������Roger Clough, rcl...@verizon.net9/11/2012Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent himso that everything could function."
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My thinking on the amygdala as self is that itis so very, very basic, as self mnust be.The possibility of fear fight-or-flight is about as basicas you can get, as well as for fighting.You need a sense of self in order to fight .
Even reptiles have to have somesort of sense of self to avoid enemies.So it would be iunteresting to see what hapopens if theamygdala is totally removed from a mouse or snake.
The self (the amygdala) and the triune brainSince neuroscience omits or seems not to feature the most important part of the brain, the self,I've decided to try to locate it. I believe it is the amygdala.
<amygdala triune brain.png>
The amygdala is a small brain organ which is not pictured in the above diagrambut is in the center of the reptelian brain in the above diagram. In fact it is at thewell-protected center of the entire brain, where common sense, overall access tobrain functions, and necessary survival tells you it ought to be. Its function is to alertyou to anything dangerous in your path such as a snake. Thus it must havetwo functions, a cognitive one to tell a branch from a snake, andan affective one (fear) to cause you to jump back from the snake.amygdala = cognitive + affectiveAlthough neuroscience does not consider consciousness to be a dipole as below:Cs = subject + objectIt is a logical necessity. My suggestion is that the subject is the amygdalaand the object is any needed part of the brain (you can find maps of thesethrough Google.In this model, consciousness is at the bottom based on feelings,such as the sense of passing time,or self-centered fear. Above or beyond arethe cognitive functions necessary for thinking and image perception.
Roger Clough, rcl...@verizon.net9/11/2012Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent himso that everything could function."
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The idea of looking for a spatio-temporal location of the mental (or soul) categories in the brain is wrong IHMO, and it is surprising to heart this from you Roger. Brain localization of mental functions is like trying to locate physically the spell checker of a word processor in the hardware of a personal computer. The spell checker uses most of the hardware.But there are low level computer functions that are physically located, such are the floating point unit, the memory transfer unit etc. There are a parallelism in the brain: IHMO there is a confusion between very specialized functions, like sensory processing, which are localized for reasons of processing efficiency and wider, higuer level functions like the self, which are not subject to this restriction. As far as i know, the amygdala is part of these efficiency-constrained parts of the brain. For this reason it is almost a separate organ. It is in charge of early processing of sensory data to trigger rapid responses before they are consciously analysed.
The self (the amygdala) and the triune brainSince neuroscience omits or seems not to feature the most important part of the brain, the self,I've decided to try to locate it. I believe it is the amygdala.
<amygdala triune brain.png>
Hi Roger,
No, that is not what the article says:
"Researchers who have studied a woman with a missing amygdala"
"S.M. suffers from an extremely rare disease that destroyed her amygdala."
It's as straightforward as it can be. The idea that the amygala constitutes the entire experience of selfhood is not supported in any way.
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On 11 Sep 2012, at 15:04, Craig Weinberg wrote:Hi Roger,
No, that is not what the article says:
"Researchers who have studied a woman with a missing amygdala"
"S.M. suffers from an extremely rare disease that destroyed her amygdala."
It's as straightforward as it can be. The idea that the amygala constitutes the entire experience of selfhood is not supported in any way.She lost "only" fear apparently. She will have to be cautious "manually" so to speak. She might need the fear of others to survive.Bruno
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Hi Bruno MarchalSelf can include personality, history, ID, whatever,but it has as its central, essential feature a point of focuswhich is a unity: a substance, to use Leibniz'svocabulary.