Can comp simulate an experience ? What does that require ?

[Roger Clough]

In order for a computer or comp to simulate an experience
it must be able to generate qualia. That is the plural of

qua锟絣e/'kw锟絣e/
Noun:
A quality or property as perceived or experienced by a person.

So comp must not just simulate an event, it must
simulate the qualia of an event. The event as
experienced by a person.

According to Kant's model of perception, which is essentially
what happens to an event experienced by the mind, ie
the model of mind used by neuroscience, an event as perceived
is the input material or signals

a) synthesized by the mind

b) a unified version of that event as synthesized.

In order for comp to be successful, then, meaning to
simulate an experience, it must be able to be able
to convert an experience to a qualia of the experience.

This looks exceedingly difficult, since we do not know
how the mind synthesizes and unifies the raw
perception of an event.

The raw experience is Firstness
The synthezation and unification of that Firstness
is called 2nd-ness ansd 3rd-ness by Peirce.






Roger Clough, rcl...@verizon.net
10/25/2012
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen

[Craig Weinberg]

On Thursday, October 25, 2012 6:08:43 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote:

In order for a computer or comp to simulate an experience
it must be able to generate qualia.  That is the plural of

  qua锟�e/'kw锟�e/

Noun:
A quality or property as perceived or experienced by a person.

So comp must not just simulate an event, it must
simulate  the qualia of an event.  The event as
experienced by a person.

According to Kant's model of perception, which is essentially
what happens to an event experienced by the mind, ie
the model of mind used by neuroscience, an event as perceived
is the input material or signals

a) synthesized by the mind

b) a unified version of that event as synthesized.

In order for comp to be successful, then, meaning to
simulate an experience, it must be able to be able
to convert an experience to a qualia of the experience.

This looks exceedingly difficult, since we do not know
how the mind synthesizes and unifies the raw
perception of an event.  

The raw experience is Firstness
The synthezation and unification of that Firstness
is called 2nd-ness ansd 3rd-ness by Peirce.

 

There is nothing to suggest that experience can be synthesized outside of experience. All experience is authentic and genuine within it's own context (a dream is really a dream, a delusion is really a delusion, etc). There is no possibility of something which does not have an experience to substitute a function or process which will satisfy the firstness of experience without being an experience. It is not, for example, like DC current which may be used to substitute for AC current in some situation. There is no substitute for or imitation of the capacity to experience.

Craig

[Bruno Marchal]

You are right on this. But again, this is true with comp too, and even
partially justifiable.

Bruno


http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/