perfectionists... motto doesn't fit

[Moonlight]

What is django definition for perfectionists? Just curious.

[sbrandt]

Those people who are able to analyse a motto with the sufficient sense of humour and subtleness and do not break it down to single incoherent parts. Sorry to be rude, but what's the point of this question other than trolling?

In my case, I _am_ a perfectionist with deadlines and it fits pretty much.

[Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd]]

Lets say you if you were given 1 day to build a shed.. 

PHP = build your own hammer/screwdriver from scratch, and then use those to build your shed - all within the same timeframe

PHP with Zend Framework = the equivalent of trying to build your shed with your childs "early learning toolset", using blu-tac for glue.

Django = build the shed with the right tools, equipment and materials as your disposal.

Some people make the argument of "whatever tool is right for the job".. 

Sure - you could make a handsome shed with your first born's plastic tool set, but for perfectionists it's not just about the end result, it's about how you got there.

On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Moonlight <moonligh...@yahoo.com> wrote:

What is django definition for perfectionists? Just curious.

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[Russell Keith-Magee]

On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd]
<cal.l...@simplicitymedialtd.co.uk> wrote:
> Lets say you if you were given 1 day to build a shed..
>
> PHP = build your own hammer/screwdriver from scratch, and then use those to
> build your shed - all within the same timeframe
> PHP with Zend Framework = the equivalent of trying to build your shed with
> your childs "early learning toolset", using blu-tac for glue.
> Django = build the shed with the right tools, equipment and materials as
> your disposal.

Ok - lets back away from this thread right now.

There's absolutely no benefit to be gained in continuing a thread
whose sole purpose is to debate the merits of a *tagline*.

There's also absolutely no benefit to be gained by calling other
framework names, no matter how much you may personally dislike them.
Ad hominem attacks and name calling will not be tolerated on Django
mailing lists, and repeat offenders will be banned. You have all been
warned.

Yours,
Russ Magee %-)

[Moonlight]

Some people make the argument of "whatever tool is right for the job".. 

Sure - you could make a handsome shed with your first born's plastic tool set, but for perfectionists it's not just about the end result, it's about how you got there.

'how you got there' - never thought that way. This makes sense to me.

[Juan Pablo Martínez]

gooby pls :)

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[Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd]]

On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 3:33 AM, Russell Keith-Magee <rus...@keith-magee.com> wrote:

On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd]
<cal.l...@simplicitymedialtd.co.uk> wrote:
> Lets say you if you were given 1 day to build a shed..
>
> PHP = build your own hammer/screwdriver from scratch, and then use those to
> build your shed - all within the same timeframe
> PHP with Zend Framework = the equivalent of trying to build your shed with
> your childs "early learning toolset", using blu-tac for glue.
> Django = build the shed with the right tools, equipment and materials as
> your disposal.

Ok - lets back away from this thread right now.

There's absolutely no benefit to be gained in continuing a thread
whose sole purpose is to debate the merits of a *tagline*.

Personally I interpreted it as an interesting topic on what really defines a perfectionist.. although it doesn't seem to have been perceived this way, which is sad.

The OP was happy with the "how you got there" thought - it was a simple question with a simple answer... 

I don't know why this thread has been overreacted to :X

  

There's also absolutely no benefit to be gained by calling other
framework names, no matter how much you may personally dislike them.
Ad hominem attacks and name calling will not be tolerated on Django
mailing lists, and repeat offenders will be banned. You have all been
warned.

In hindsight I maybe should have put Language X and Framework Y.

These comments weren't intended to be either 'ad hominem' (had to google that!) or name calling, so my apologies if they were perceived this way.

Yours,
Russ Magee %-)

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[Russell Keith-Magee]

On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 7:47 PM, Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd]

<cal.l...@simplicitymedialtd.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 3:33 AM, Russell Keith-Magee
> <rus...@keith-magee.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd]
>> <cal.l...@simplicitymedialtd.co.uk> wrote:
>> > Lets say you if you were given 1 day to build a shed..
>> >
>> > PHP = build your own hammer/screwdriver from scratch, and then use those
>> > to
>> > build your shed - all within the same timeframe
>> > PHP with Zend Framework = the equivalent of trying to build your shed
>> > with
>> > your childs "early learning toolset", using blu-tac for glue.
>> > Django = build the shed with the right tools, equipment and materials as
>> > your disposal.
>>
>> Ok - lets back away from this thread right now.
>>
>> There's absolutely no benefit to be gained in continuing a thread
>> whose sole purpose is to debate the merits of a *tagline*.
>
>
> Personally I interpreted it as an interesting topic on what really defines a
> perfectionist.. although it doesn't seem to have been perceived this way,
> which is sad.

> The OP was happy with the "how you got there" thought - it was a simple
> question with a simple answer...
>
> I don't know why this thread has been overreacted to :X

The reason I jumped on this was pre-emptive. We've had two threads on
Django-dev in a week, started by the same OP, which have quickly
degraded into *very* ugly territory. As Jacob has commented on the
other threads, we're taking it on faith that the OP has good
intentions but has phrased himself badly, but he, and others, have
been warned about keeping a civil tongue. Given that a discussion of
"what defines a perfectionist" is in no way on-topic for django-users,
and has all sorts of potential to end up in bad places, I have no
problem asking people to step away from this particular topic.

Yours,
Russ Magee %-)

[Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd]]

Sorry, I wasn't aware of the background behind this, and makes total sense now. My apologies.

[bobhaugen]

On Friday, October 12, 2012 7:56:52 AM UTC-5, Russell Keith-Magee wrote:

The reason I jumped on this was pre-emptive. We've had two threads on 
Django-dev in a week, started by the same OP, which have quickly
degraded into *very* ugly territory. As Jacob has commented on the
other threads, we're taking it on faith that the OP has good
intentions but has phrased himself badly, but he, and others, have
been warned about keeping a civil tongue. Given that a discussion of
"what defines a perfectionist" is in no way on-topic for django-users,
and has all sorts of potential to end up in bad places, I have no
problem asking people to step away from this particular topic.

Russell (and Jacob), 

I really appreciate the way you moderate the forum. The civility and helpfulness of the community was one of the main reasons I picked Django a few years ago.

Thanks again,

Bob Haugen

 

[Russell Keith-Magee]

You're most welcome.

Yours,
Russ Magee %-)

[Lachlan Musicman]

On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Russell Keith-Magee
<rus...@keith-magee.com> wrote:
>> Russell (and Jacob),
>>
>> I really appreciate the way you moderate the forum.

I was thinking exactly this when I read Russell's first response. This
is an excellently run community. Thankyou for your work

cheers
L.


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[Moonlight]

Why not just professionally answer the question asked?