Nah-Nah, Nah-Nah-Nah
Tommy Troll
emailed same to the client. The deadline was today. Did not have to
pay Boingo the tariff for sending it BECAUSE MY TETHERED BLACKBERRY IS
MY 3G MODEM! Try that trick with your iPhone and report the results
back here.
Maybe some day, far in the distant future, Apple will actually release
a cell phone that can do more than make a call, play rap music, and
make farting noises.
MuahMan
Don't know Atomic Fart!!! It has a fart drum machine, fart timer, and
even motion activated farting!!!!! Just the application to help
Apple break into the enterprise!
Chance Furlong
<7a2c1be1-34bc-45f8...@r3g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>,
MuahMan <mua...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Don't know Atomic Fart!!! It has a fart drum machine, fart timer, and
> even motion activated farting!!!!! Just the application to help
> Apple break into the enterprise!
I thought the farting was from the Wintrolls' bullshit they spew.
John
"Tommy Troll" <tom_...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:c47f8ce7-fa82-4ec4...@l21g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
iPhone 3g s can do that now. It just needs ATT to support it. Just wait a
few more months. Do you really think we are stupid enough to believe anyone
would hire you to do any real work Tom? It must be nice to download your
porn at the airport.
Tim Murray
The iPhone can tether and has always been able to. And AT&T said at WWDC that
they will.
MuahMan
>
> The iPhone can tether and has always been able to. And AT&T said at WWDC that
> they will.
I can't wait until 2012!!!!
How's it gonna work anyway with Apple's proprietary cable? 437 Cell
Mfrs. all use the same cable..... then there's Apple.
KDT
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2008/10/jailbreak-application-offers-easy-iphone-tethering.ars
KDT
Since when was a cable that connected over USB proprietary?
MuahMan
So all I have to do to get really slow tethering speeds is. Jail-break
my iPhone voiding the warranty, hope ATT doesn't find out and charge
me or cancel my account? Then follow those three pages of
instructions and I'll be surfing at 56k modem speeds in no-time! What
a nigger-rigged solution. FAIL!
MuahMan
EVERY SINGLE OTHER USB Device i've EVER purchased came with the exact
same USB cable. I have like 20 of them lying in a drawer, office,
laptop bag. The only time I have to go searching for a special cable
is when I use an Apple device.
KDT
Surprising....I can't use my USB printer cable to connect my
Blackberry. Even more surprising since the official USB standard
recognizes at least 3 connectors for devices -- USB-B, Mini USB, and
Micro USB.
KDT
So now you're going to explain how AT& is going to "find out".
Steve de Mena
That sure don't look like a USB jack on the bottom of my iPhone 3G.
Did they change it on the 3G S?
Steve
Steve de Mena
Automated tools that track Browser user agents.
Next?
Steve
Tim Adams
"John" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
Actually, via some simple to follow instructions on Engadget, you can do it NOW.
http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/18/how-to-tether-your-iphone-running-os-3-0-witho
ut-jailbreaking/
--
regarding Snit "You are not flamed because you speak the truth,
you are flamed because you are a hideous troll and keep disrupting
the newsgroup." Andrew J. Brehm
KDT
Wow and its really hard to change browser user agents.....
KDT
If you actually *read* the thread. He asked how was he going to
tether with Apple's proprietary cable. So exactly how is the
connector *to* the iPod going to stop him from connecting the phone to
the USB port. Reading is fundamental.
Tim Adams
KDT <scarf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Well DUH! The cable has 2 ends, and the end that connects to the iPhone IS
proprietary (or at least was when Apple first started using it). That make the
cable 'Apple's proprietary cable'.
Tim Murray
Did you ever hear of Bluetooth? And USB connectors are standard, comprising
several tips, but easily obtained.
Tim Murray
> On Jun 21, 12:07ï¿œam, KDT <scarface...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Jun 20, 11:17ï¿œpm, MuahMan <muah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> The iPhone can tether and has always been able to. And AT&T said at WWDC
>>>> that
>>>> they will.
>>
>>> I can't wait until 2012!!!!
>>
>>> Mfrs. all use the same cable..... then there's Apple.
>>
>> Since when was a cable that connected over USB proprietary?
>
> EVERY SINGLE OTHER USB Device i've EVER purchased came with the exact
> same USB cable. I have like 20 of them lying in a drawer, office,
> laptop bag. The only time I have to go searching for a special cable
> is when I use an Apple device.
Really? So your camera uses the same one as the printer? Your non-Apple phone
uses the same one as your mouse? I can't figure out whether you're stupid or
a pathetic liar like zara.
Tim Murray
I want to emphasize the "easily obtained". The iPhone end is Apple -- like
the iPod and earlier iPhones. Further, some phones have a connector simliar
to iPod but even a bit smaller.
zara
"Tim Murray" <no-...@thankyou.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C6631B65...@nntp.charter.net...
Yeah - someday in the distant future, like OSXI. Why don't you hold your
breath till then, Polly?
zara
"KDT" <scarf...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6adc3ce3-b9f1-45b1...@n4g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
Isn't Apple supposed to be "more advanced" than anyone?
zara
> On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 00:31:50 -0400, MuahMan wrote:
>>> On Jun 20, 11:17 pm, MuahMan <muah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> The iPhone can tether and has always been able to. And AT&T said at
>>>>> WWDC
>>>>> that
>>>>> they will.
>>>
>>>> I can't wait until 2012!!!!
>>>
>>>> Mfrs. all use the same cable..... then there's Apple.
>>>
>>> Since when was a cable that connected over USB proprietary?
>>
>> EVERY SINGLE OTHER USB Device i've EVER purchased came with the exact
>> same USB cable. I have like 20 of them lying in a drawer, office,
>> laptop bag. The only time I have to go searching for a special cable
>> is when I use an Apple device.
>
> Really? So your camera uses the same one as the printer? Your non-Apple
> phone
> uses the same one as your mouse? I can't figure out whether you're stupid
> or
> a pathetic liar like zara.
>
Polly sound testy today. Couldn't afford dinner last night? I donate to a
charitable organization that takes care of the indigent. Want me to submit
your name?
zara
Look, Moron. "standard" doesn't comprise "several different" tips. Get a
fucking dictionary before spouting your useless bullshit.
"easily obtained"? Where? At the corner drug store. You are even more
stupid than you can imagine.
zara
"MuahMan" <mua...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:d39aa415-523a-4115...@v38g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
These fucking MacFreaks seem to get dumber by the minute. This guy is
particularly stupid.
High Plains Thumper
> MuahMan wrote:
>
>> Don't know Atomic Fart!!! It has a fart drum machine, fart
>> timer, and even motion activated farting!!!!! Just the
>> application to help Apple break into the enterprise!
>
> I thought the farting was from the Wintrolls' bullshit they
> spew.
Don't speak so loud, it might attract Snit. :-)
--
HPT
Mike
"zara" <zara...@heddon.com> wrote:
girlie==zaraspookly---thingy==no nuts got her hot buttons going and
panties in a knot...wow, we're all impressed that she can cuss like a
sailor.
--
Mike
KDT
> In article <7627a1b4-7960-4f7d-8743-a09e68277...@r3g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>,
Once again, how does Apple's "proprietary" cable stop you from
connecting the iPhone to your computer over USB for tethering as
MuahMuah claimed. Besides, if you forget your cable, you can always
tether over bluetooth.
KDT
> "Tim Murray" <no-s...@thankyou.com> wrote in message
So in that case USB is not "standard" since there are "several
different" types of USB "tips" ***according to the standard****.
Tim Murray
> "Tim Murray" <no-...@thankyou.com> wrote:
>> The iPhone can tether and has always been able to. And AT&T said at WWDC
>> that they will.
>>
>
> Yeah - someday in the distant future, like OSXI.
>
Why do you lie like that? It tethers, period. Really, I wonder why you do
that. Please explain. It can't be fishing -- fishing takes skill.
Sandman
<c47f8ce7-fa82-4ec4...@l21g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
Tommy Troll <tom_...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Sitting in the airport, just finished a little $500 project, and
> emailed same to the client. The deadline was today. Did not have to
> pay Boingo the tariff for sending it BECAUSE MY TETHERED BLACKBERRY IS
> MY 3G MODEM! Try that trick with your iPhone and report the results
> back here.
Sure, done. That was easy.
> Maybe some day, far in the distant future, Apple will actually release
> a cell phone that can do more than make a call, play rap music, and
> make farting noises.
Did you hear, the Titanic sunk as well.
--
Sandman[.net]
Sandman
Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> wrote:
Through livescan of all tcp/ip packages that are being sent through
their network? That doesn't sound plausible at all.
--
Sandman[.net]
MuahMan
> In article <7627a1b4-7960-4f7d-8743-a09e68277...@r3g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
Oh ok. So I just have to disassemble the base dock in my bedroom, move
the king size bed, and pull the cable out and bring it with me. Then
do it all again. Or buy another 45 dollar, 15 cent cable since Apple
had to go proprietary.
There's the still the matter of bricking the iphone during the
jailbreak, voiding the warranty, and getting kicked off ATT when they
find out you are breaking their rules and see you actually tethering.
MuahMan
> "MuahMan" <muah...@gmail.com> wrote in message
EVERY other Non-Apple device I've ever bought comes with this cable. I
have 12 of them. They are about .99 cents at Radio Shack. You can find
them literally at any store. Drug Store, Grocery Store, electronics
store. Then you have stupid fucking Apple with their proprietary
cable. Hard to find, around 40 bucks.
http://media.digikey.com/photos/Assmann%20Photos/AK672M%20-%20FIG%2039.jpg
So you gotta Jail-Break your iPhone. How it doesn't get bricked
because you just voided the warranty on a brand new $1000.00 dollar
phone. Then download some non-sanctioned apps, hope ATT doesn't find
out you're scamming them, and BAM! You're tethering at 1992 dial-up
speeds.
Or you can buy a blackberry and do it in under 20 seconds and be
"legal"
KDT
So who is the idiot for buying a $45 cable?
http://www.amazon.com/Apple-iPod®-Dock-Connector-Cable/dp/B0013K56PK/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1245600177&sr=8-2
That was without even trying hard. So you really think that AT&T is
going to give up a minimum of $1500 over two years because you "broke
the rules"? Jail breaking the iPhone to run unauthorized apps doesn't
"brick the phone", When phones were bricked they had been hacked to
run on other carriers networks.
KDT
> "Tim Murray" <no-s...@thankyou.com> wrote in message
So iPhone tethering is related to updating the Mac OS? Last time I
checked, the iPhone isn't a Mac.
Tim Murray
> On Jun 21, 10:25ï¿œam, "zara" <zarasp...@heddon.com> wrote:
>>> The iPhone can tether and has always been able to. And AT&T said at WWDC
>>> that they will.
>>
>
> So iPhone tethering is related to updating the Mac OS? Last time I
> checked, the iPhone isn't a Mac.
Zara doesn't know the difference.
zara
Not really - it only takes a dumb fish, - like you,- and Jimmy, and
......the list is just too long.
Tommy Troll
> "Tommy Troll" <tom_e...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>
> news:c47f8ce7-fa82-4ec4...@l21g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Sitting in the airport, just finished a little $500 project, and
> > emailed same to the client. The deadline was today. Did not have to
> > pay Boingo the tariff for sending it BECAUSE MY TETHERED BLACKBERRY IS
> > MY 3G MODEM! Try that trick with your iPhone and report the results
> > back here.
>
> > Maybe some day, far in the distant future, Apple will actually release
> > a cell phone that can do more than make a call, play rap music, and
> > make farting noises.
>
> few more months. Do you really think we are stupid enough to believe anyone
> would hire you to do any real work Tom? It must be nice to download your
> porn at the airport.
FYI - I was on the way home from Half Moon Bay where I was paid $20+ k
for a small study and presentation to about 20 poultry company CEOs.
Later this year I'll be speaking in Colombia, Santa Domingo, and
Vienna Austria among other places. Yes, I make big bucks, not chicken
feed. Bing or Google Elam +poultry. Or go to http://farmecon.com/clientlisting.aspx
TT
zara
Really? Aren't you the jerk who claimed it was "a computer"? Or was it a
different jerk?
Tommy Troll
> On Jun 21, 12:07 am, KDT <scarface...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jun 20, 11:17 pm, MuahMan <muah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > they will.
>
>
> > > How's it gonna work anyway with Apple's proprietary cable? 437 Cell
> > > Mfrs. all use the same cable..... then there's Apple.
>
> > Since when was a cable that connected over USB proprietary?
>
> same USB cable. I have like 20 of them lying in a drawer, office,
> laptop bag. The only time I have to go searching for a special cable
> is when I use an Apple device.
Not quite true. The Blackberry Storm uses a different cable than the
8000 series.
Lloyd Parsons
<a925ef73-6189-4bfd...@r16g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
Tommy Troll <tom_...@earthlink.net> wrote:
Assuming you are the Tom Elam in the links from the Google search, it
amazes me that you would come here and be the jackass you are while
offering services as a poultry consultant.
ZnU
<0c77acec-560f-49d8...@o20g2000vbh.googlegroups.com>,
MuahMan <mua...@gmail.com> wrote:
If you really have a need for two cables (and you don't already have a
second one from an earlier iPod or iPhone, which I suspect a lot of
people do by now; Apple has been using the same cable for years), Apple
sells them for $19 (not $45) and various third-parties sell them for as
little as $2-3.
Apple can't really use a standard USB cable for the dock connector,
because that connector carries more than just a USB signal. And nobody
really wants multiple ports on the bottom of their phone. (Well, some of
you spec-sheet obsessive Wintrolls might, but you guys are morons.)
> There's the still the matter of bricking the iphone during the
> jailbreak, voiding the warranty,
There's no jailbreak necessary and no warranty voiding involved.
> and getting kicked off ATT when they find out you are breaking their
> rules and see you actually tethering.
This might be an issue, if you want to tether before AT&T officially
offers it for the iPhone. We'll have to see. I suspect that unofficial
tethering will be sufficiently rare that AT&T will probably just ignore
it, as they do with some other handsets that allow tethering without a
plan if you know what you're doing.
--
"The game of professional investment is intolerably boring and over-exacting to
anyone who is entirely exempt from the gambling instinct; whilst he who has it
must pay to this propensity the appropriate toll." -- John Maynard Keynes
ZnU
<b34a0f19-7471-4210...@e24g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>,
MuahMan <mua...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 21, 12:07�am, KDT <scarface...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Jun 20, 11:17�pm, MuahMan <muah...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > The iPhone can tether and has always been able to. And AT&T said at
> > > > WWDC that
> > > > they will.
> >
> > > I can't wait until 2012!!!!
> >
> > > How's it gonna work anyway with Apple's proprietary cable? �437 Cell
> > > Mfrs. all use the same cable..... then there's Apple.
> >
> > Since when was a cable that connected over USB proprietary?
>
> EVERY SINGLE OTHER USB Device i've EVER purchased came with the exact
> same USB cable. I have like 20 of them lying in a drawer, office,
> laptop bag. The only time I have to go searching for a special cable
> is when I use an Apple device.
The iPhone/iPod dock connector is not a USB port. It carries USB, analog
audio and video, control signals, and some other stuff.
ZnU
Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> KDT wrote:
> > On Jun 21, 12:30 am, MuahMan <muah...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Jun 21, 12:06 am, KDT <scarface...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Jun 20, 8:57 pm, Tommy Troll <tom_e...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>>> Sitting in the airport, just finished a little $500 project, and
> >>>> emailed same to the client. The deadline was today. Did not have to
> >>>> pay Boingo the tariff for sending it BECAUSE MY TETHERED BLACKBERRY IS
> >>>> MY 3G MODEM! Try that trick with your iPhone and report the results
> >>>> back here.
> >>>> Maybe some day, far in the distant future, Apple will actually release
> >>>> a cell phone that can do more than make a call, play rap music, and
> >>>> make farting noises.
> >>> http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2008/10/jailbreak-application-offer...
> >> So all I have to do to get really slow tethering speeds is. Jail-break
> >> my iPhone voiding the warranty, hope ATT doesn't find out and charge
> >> me or cancel my account? Then follow those three pages of
> >> instructions and I'll be surfing at 56k modem speeds in no-time! What
> >> a nigger-rigged solution. FAIL!
> >
> > So now you're going to explain how AT& is going to "find out".
>
> Automated tools that track Browser user agents.
>
> Next?
Could AT&T theoretically monitor their network in this level of detail?
Sure. Do they care enough to actually do so? Probably not. As the
Apple-bashers here have pointed out in the past (when they thought it
made Apple look bad because the iPhone couldn't do it), there are
handsets from other vendors which will let you tether without a
tethering plan, and carriers usually let people get away with it.
AT&T probably just monitors overall bandwidth usage and checks up on
exactly what specific people are doing if they seem to be using way too
much.
KDT
> "KDT" <scarface...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Whether I or any one else claimed it was a "computer" does not mean
it's a "Mac". Do I need to draw out a Venn diagram for you?
Fa-groon
(in article <lloydparsons-FF9B...@port80.individual.net>):
> In article
> <a925ef73-6189-4bfd...@r16g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
> Tommy Troll <tom_...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> On Jun 20, 11:00ï¿œpm, "John" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>> "Tommy Troll" <tom_e...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:c47f8ce7-fa82-4ec4...@l21g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>> Sitting in the airport, just finished a little $500 project, and
>>>> emailed same to the client. ï¿œThe deadline was today. ï¿œDid not have to
>>>> pay Boingo the tariff for sending it BECAUSE MY TETHERED BLACKBERRY IS
>>>> MY 3G MODEM! ï¿œTry that trick with your iPhone and report the results
>>>> back here.
>>>
>>>> Maybe some day, far in the distant future, Apple will actually release
>>>> a cell phone that can do more than make a call, play rap music, and
>>>> make farting noises.
>>>
>>> iPhone 3g s can do that now. ￜIt just needs ATT to support it. ￜ Just wait
>>> a
>>> few more months. ï¿œDo you really think we are stupid enough to believe
>>> anyone
>>> would hire you to do any real work Tom? ï¿œIt must be nice to download your
>>> porn at the airport.
>>
>> FYI - I was on the way home from Half Moon Bay where I was paid $20+ k
>> for a small study and presentation to about 20 poultry company CEOs.
>> Later this year I'll be speaking in Colombia, Santa Domingo, and
>> Vienna Austria among other places. Yes, I make big bucks, not chicken
>> feed. Bing or Google Elam +poultry. Or go to
>> http://farmecon.com/clientlisting.aspx
>>
>> TT
>
> Assuming you are the Tom Elam in the links from the Google search, it
> amazes me that you would come here and be the jackass you are while
> offering services as a poultry consultant.
He's chicken shit, that's why.
zara
I never claimed it was a Mac. You only claimed I did. Are you too stupid
to even recognize what you wrote, in your feeble attempt at redirection?
To reiterate; "someday in the distant future, like OSXI". Learn to read.
The iPhone is a huge POS..
Steve de Mena
> On Jun 21, 3:06 am, Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>>>>> they will.
>>>> How's it gonna work anyway with Apple's proprietary cable? 437 Cell
>>>> Mfrs. all use the same cable..... then there's Apple.
>>> Since when was a cable that connected over USB proprietary?
>>
>> Did they change it on the 3G S?
>>
>> Steve
>
> If you actually *read* the thread. He asked how was he going to
> tether with Apple's proprietary cable. So exactly how is the
> connector *to* the iPod going to stop him from connecting the phone to
> the USB port. Reading is fundamental.
I can read fine asshole. A standard USB cable, with any of the three
possible ends, will NOT fit into the iPhone. Is that so hard to
understand? You need Apple's proprietary cable.
Steve
Steve de Mena
>
> So who is the idiot for buying a $45 cable?
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Apple-iPod�-Dock-Connector-Cable/dp/B0013K56PK/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1245600177&sr=8-2
>
> That was without even trying hard.
It shows. That is a knock-off cable.
Apple charges $19 for theirs.
Steve
Steve de Mena
Third parties don't sell Apple cables at that price. Those are
knock-offs. Read reviews of those knock-offs, many are disappointed
they didn't buy the original.
Steve
Steve de Mena
On $30 unlimited data plans?
Steve
KDT
> KDT wrote:
>
> > So who is the idiot for buying a $45 cable?
>
>
> > That was without even trying hard.
>
> It shows. That is a knock-off cable.
>
> Apple charges $19 for theirs.
>
> Steve
Then why buy Apple's instead of a "knock off" if it works just as
well? Do you also buy the gold plated $100 Monster cables?
KDT
> ZnU wrote:
> > In article
> > <0c77acec-560f-49d8-82cc-c34150f08...@o20g2000vbh.googlegroups.com>,
So how many bad reviews have you seen of even the $12 cables that
they sell at Walmart? So you *are* the person who buys $60 Monster
cables. I use to love people like you when I worked on commission at
an electronics store in college,
KDT
No if you *could* read you would see that he claimed that you could
not tether because of Apple's *proprietary" cable. So do you agree
with him that he could not connect the iPhone to his USB port?
Second he claimed that he would have to buy a "$45 cable". A genuine
Apple cable is $19 -- according to *you*.
Third he claimed that *every* usb device he owns uses the same cable.
So have you *ever* seen a phone that uses the same cable as a
printer? In fact, even if manufacturers are *only* using cables that
are specified by the USB standard, there are still four or five to
choose from including deprecated connectors.
KDT
So exactly what does the *Macintosh* operating system have to do with
the capabilities of the *iPhone*? Unless you're claiming that the Mac
doesn't already support tethering with various phones over USB and
Bluetooth.
Steve de Mena
1) That was not the subject under discussion [just an attempt on your
part to deflect the fact your cheap reference was not an apples to
apples comparison]
2) I have one of these knock-off cables and they just do not fit into
my iPods/iPhone as snugly as the original.
3) This has nothing to do with Monster cables. [see 2nd sentence of
#1] Cables like that you plug in and they sit there for years. iPod
cables are plugged in and unplugged frequently and these knockoffs
typically have thinner insulation and won't last as long.
Steve
Steve de Mena
We're talking cables where construction is the main issue, not
audio/video cables where purported fidelity of the signal is an issue.
I don't want to be on a trip and unplug the cable from my iPhone and
have it break and be without a cable in the middle of nowhere.
Steve
Steve de Mena
He was using the supplied cable already at home. Just like I have
mine plugged into the rear of my Mac Pro and its not easy to get to.
What does number two and three have to do with me? Discuss that with him.
Steve
KDT
So you mean Apple's cables *are* of higher quality. But either way,
they aren't "$45 cables" they are $19.00. You can choose to buy lower
quality cables or higher quality cables. So, since you admit that
Apple's cables are high quality, are they overpriced?
KDT
No if you *read* what he wrote he claimed that he could *not* tether
with the iPhone because of the "proprietary" cable. He did not claim
that "it was difficult to get to the cable because it was in the back
of his computer'....
Besides, why plug in the iPod on the back of the computer if you need
easy access to the cord when the Mac Pro has two USB ports on the
front?
zara
So what do you do for a living now, inspect schoolyard sand boxes for cat
shit?
zara
Yes - and that is a whole other subject. With a Windows machine, there
would be none of these issues. Plug & Play - invented by MS.
zara
"ZnU" <z...@fake.invalid> wrote in message
news:znu-EC374A.1...@Port80.Individual.NET...
You are naive. They can and do, monitor EVERYTHING! This is not a naive
theory like yours - it's the real deal.
Tim Murray
>
> Yes - and that is a whole other subject. With a Windows machine,
> there would be none of these issues. Plug & Play - invented by MS.
Bzzzz. The specs were developed by Intel.
ZnU
Many more probably aren't. And this is trivial nonsense anyway.
Steve de Mena
That wasn't what I was commenting on or discussing. I was pointing
out how you linked to 3rd party knockoff cables to refute that Apple's
iPod cables are $45. Period.
Steve
Steve de Mena
> No if you *read* what he wrote he claimed that he could *not* tether
> with the iPhone because of the "proprietary" cable. He did not claim
> that "it was difficult to get to the cable because it was in the back
> of his computer'....
>
> Besides, why plug in the iPod on the back of the computer if you need
> easy access to the cord when the Mac Pro has two USB ports on the
> front?
I use the front ports for two items I routinely move around - a
Plantronics headset and USB keys.
ARE YOU REALLY FUCKING DEBATING ME ON WHERE I SHOULD PLUG IN MY USB
CABLES?? GET A FUCKING LIFE!!
Steve
p.s. Here was MuahMan's original post on the cable:
ZnU
This is typical. When other phones let you make unauthorized use of
tethering and the iPhone doesn't, this is presented as being a
disadvantage for the iPhone and some sort of error on Apple's part. When
the iPhone also gains the ability to allow this, and this is pointed
out, all of a sudden making unauthorized use of tethering is some
horribly risky thing that nobody would ever be interested in doing.
This constant rigging of the game against Apple gets tiring.
I have no idea what AT&T will do in this specific instance, but
historically carriers haven't been all that vigilant with this sort of
thing unless people use abusive amounts of bandwidth.
And in this instance it isn't as if iPhone users will be doing this just
to avoid paying an extra $30; they'll be doing it because AT&T isn't yet
giving them the option of officially supported tethering. It doesn't
seem like it would be a great idea for AT&T to crack down too hard on a
bunch of rather profitable customers, many of whom will probably
willingly pay the extra $30/month as soon as AT&T lets them.
ZnU
Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> KDT wrote:
> > So how many bad reviews have you seen of even the $12 cables that
> > they sell at Walmart? So you *are* the person who buys $60 Monster
> > cables. I use to love people like you when I worked on commission at
> > an electronics store in college,
>
> We're talking cables where construction is the main issue, not
> audio/video cables where purported fidelity of the signal is an issue.
> I don't want to be on a trip and unplug the cable from my iPhone and
> have it break and be without a cable in the middle of nowhere.
Yes, this is a good reason not to buy an iPhone. You might a) need an
extra cable, b) be too cheap to buy one from Apple, c) buy a bad
third-party replacement and d) have it break in the middle of nowhere.
I'm sure that happens to everyone, just the same way everyone a) buys a
laptop without an SD card reader, b) refuses to take a USB cable for
their camera or an external reader along with them, and then c) gets
upset at their laptop vendor that they can't download SD cards.
You seem to to suggest a lot of scenarios that would only be likely to
arise as a result of someone choosing to deliberately sabotage
themselves. It's hard to convince myself that this pattern doesn't have
some connection with the number of problems you seem to have with your
Apple products.
ZnU
Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> KDT wrote:
>
> > No if you *read* what he wrote he claimed that he could *not* tether
> > with the iPhone because of the "proprietary" cable. He did not claim
> > that "it was difficult to get to the cable because it was in the back
> > of his computer'....
> >
> > Besides, why plug in the iPod on the back of the computer if you need
> > easy access to the cord when the Mac Pro has two USB ports on the
> > front?
>
> I use the front ports for two items I routinely move around - a
> Plantronics headset and USB keys.
>
> ARE YOU REALLY FUCKING DEBATING ME ON WHERE I SHOULD PLUG IN MY USB
> CABLES?? GET A FUCKING LIFE!!
It's your side that appears to be advancing the argument that this is a
serious reason to choose one smart phone over another.
[snip]
Tim Adams
KDT <scarf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jun 21, 8:23�am, Tim Adams <teadams$2$0$...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > In article
> > <7627a1b4-7960-4f7d-8743-a09e68277...@r3g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > �KDT <scarface...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On Jun 21, 3:06�am, Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> > > > KDT wrote:
> > > > > On Jun 20, 11:17 pm, MuahMan <muah...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >>> The iPhone can tether and has always been able to. And AT&T said at
> > > > >>> WWDC that
> > > > >>> they will.
> > > > >> I can't wait until 2012!!!!
> >
> > > > >> How's it gonna work anyway with Apple's proprietary cable? �437 Cell
> > > > >> Mfrs. all use the same cable..... then there's Apple.
> >
> > > > > Since when was a cable that connected over USB proprietary?
> >
> > > > That sure don't look like a USB jack on the bottom of my iPhone 3G.
> >
> > > > Did they change it on the 3G S?
> >
> > > > Steve
> >
> > > If you actually *read* the thread. �He asked how was he going to
> > > tether with Apple's proprietary �cable. �So exactly how is the
> > > connector *to* the iPod going to stop him from connecting the phone to
> > > the USB port. �Reading is fundamental.
> >
> > Well DUH! The cable has 2 ends, and the end that connects to the iPhone IS
> > proprietary (or at least was when Apple first started using it). That make
> > the
> > cable 'Apple's proprietary �cable'.
> >
> > --
> > regarding Snit �"You are not flamed because you speak the truth,
> > you are flamed because you are a hideous troll and keep disrupting
> > the newsgroup." Andrew J. Brehm
>
> Once again, how does Apple's "proprietary" cable stop you from
> connecting the iPhone to your computer over USB for tethering as
> MuahMuah claimed. Besides, if you forget your cable, you can always
> tether over bluetooth.
Just where do you think I made any comment about tethering? I was addressing
your wrong statement that Apple's cable wasn't proprietary. Nothing more.
As a reminder:
MuahMan wrote "How's it gonna work anyway with Apple's proprietary cable?"
You then followed up with a statement "Since when was a cable that connected
over USB proprietary?" that I pointed out was WRONG. Apple's cable IS
proprietary. It is NOT a plain USB cable.
Tim Adams
MuahMan <mua...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 21, 10:38�am, "zara" <zarasp...@heddon.com> wrote:
> > "MuahMan" <muah...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > news:d39aa415-523a-4115...@v38g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
> > On Jun 21, 12:06 am, KDT <scarface...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Jun 20, 8:57 pm, Tommy Troll <tom_e...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> > > > Sitting in the airport, just finished a little $500 project, and
> > > > emailed same to the client. The deadline was today. Did not have to
> > > > pay Boingo the tariff for sending it BECAUSE MY TETHERED BLACKBERRY IS
> > > > MY 3G MODEM! Try that trick with your iPhone and report the results
> > > > back here.
> >
> > > > Maybe some day, far in the distant future, Apple will actually release
> > > > a cell phone that can do more than make a call, play rap music, and
> > > > make farting noises.
> >
> > >http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2008/10/jailbreak-application-offer...
> >
> > So all I have to do to get really slow tethering speeds is. Jail-break
> > my iPhone voiding the warranty, hope ATT doesn't find out and charge
> > me or cancel my account? �Then follow those three pages of
> > instructions and I'll be surfing at 56k modem speeds in no-time! What
> > a nigger-rigged solution. FAIL!
> >
> > These fucking MacFreaks seem to get dumber by the minute. �This guy is
> > particularly stupid.
>
> EVERY other Non-Apple device I've ever bought comes with this cable. I
> have 12 of them. They are about .99 cents at Radio Shack. You can find
> them literally at any store. Drug Store, Grocery Store, electronics
> store. Then you have stupid fucking Apple with their proprietary
> cable. Hard to find, around 40 bucks.
>
> http://media.digikey.com/photos/Assmann%20Photos/AK672M%20-%20FIG%2039.jpg
>
>
> So you gotta Jail-Break your iPhone.
Sorry MuahMan, you do NOT need to Jail-Break your iPhone in order to tether.
<http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/18/how-to-tether-your-iphone-running-os-3-0-with
out-jailbreaking/>
> How it doesn't get bricked
> because you just voided the warranty on a brand new $1000.00 dollar
> phone. Then download some non-sanctioned apps, hope ATT doesn't find
> out you're scamming them, and BAM! You're tethering at 1992 dial-up
> speeds.
>
> Or you can buy a blackberry and do it in under 20 seconds and be
> "legal"
Steve de Mena
I don't understand what you are trying to say.
AT&T has PDA data plan and they have a PDA + Tethering (5GB) plan.
Two separate plans.
http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/cell-phone-plans/pda-personal-plans.jsp
Are you saying I can pick the $35 plan with other phones and tether
away with no repercussions instead of chooising the 5GB $65 plan?
Steve
KDT
> In article <f05dd523-d576-4824-a5a1-5b443da7b...@z7g2000vbh.googlegroups.com>,
MuahMuah's whole complaint was that he could not tether because of the
"proprietary" cable. Is that statement true or not.
KDT
An iPod cable is one that has the signaling needed to connect an iPod
to the computer. There is nothing magical about Apple's cable over
Griffin technology or the other top tier manufacturers. You can
choose to pay 5x as much for a cable if you so desire. Just like you
were complaining about Apple's DVI to DisplayPort cable when you can
buy a comparable cable for a fourth the cost.
KDT
And if you don't have the common sense to buy the needed device to
plug in more devices to the *front* of your computer to make your life
easier, whose fault is that?
So are you also as baffled by how tethering is going to work on the
iPhone?
KDT
None of *what* issues? The Mac OS has supported Bluetooth DUN forever.
ZnU
I have not done this, but I have been told this several times, most
recently a month or two ago in the context of someone criticizing the
iPhone for not allowing it. And it does tend to be my experience that
ToS agreements are rarely enforced unless behavior is actually
disruptive, rather than merely violating the letter of the agreement.
zara
Yaaaaawwnnnnn - You're a bore. Get a life.
zara
None of *what* issues?
The ones you're rambling about. You seem to be confusing yourself. You pose
a question, and then dispute your own answer. Is something wrong with you?
The Mac OS has supported Bluetooth DUN forever.
As has WINDOWS. Windows also supports socket 7. Your point?
Steve de Mena
He never made that statement.
Steve
Steve de Mena
Read my last reply. What did you just say to refute that?
Steve
Steve de Mena
How would it make my life easier?
I have extra $19 iPod cables, I don't need to ever disconnect the two
iPod/iPhone cables plugged into the back of my Mac Pro.
Steve
Steve de Mena
Don't people get the phones from ATT, and wouldn't there be code in
them to say "Hmmm...this guy is trying to tether, and I don't show he
has a tethering plan....CLICK".
Steve
JCrowe
> In article
> <a925ef73-6189-4bfd...@r16g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
> Tommy Troll <tom_...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> On Jun 20, 11:00 pm, "John" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>> "Tommy Troll" <tom_e...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:c47f8ce7-fa82-4ec4...@l21g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>> Sitting in the airport, just finished a little $500 project, and
>>>> emailed same to the client. The deadline was today. Did not have to
>>>> pay Boingo the tariff for sending it BECAUSE MY TETHERED BLACKBERRY IS
>>>> MY 3G MODEM! Try that trick with your iPhone and report the results
>>>> back here.
>>>> Maybe some day, far in the distant future, Apple will actually release
>>>> a cell phone that can do more than make a call, play rap music, and
>>>> make farting noises.
>>> a
>>> few more months. Do you really think we are stupid enough to believe
>>> anyone
>>> would hire you to do any real work Tom? It must be nice to download your
>>> porn at the airport.
>> FYI - I was on the way home from Half Moon Bay where I was paid $20+ k
>> for a small study and presentation to about 20 poultry company CEOs.
>> Later this year I'll be speaking in Colombia, Santa Domingo, and
>> Vienna Austria among other places. Yes, I make big bucks, not chicken
>> feed. Bing or Google Elam +poultry. Or go to
>> http://farmecon.com/clientlisting.aspx
>>
>> TT
>
> Assuming you are the Tom Elam in the links from the Google search, it
> amazes me that you would come here and be the jackass you are while
> offering services as a poultry consultant.
Especially for the poultry sum of $20+
--
When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to
its subjects, "This you may not read, this you must not see, this you
are forbidden to know," the end result is tyranny and oppression, no
matter how holy the motives. Mighty little force is needed to control a
man whose mind has been hoodwinked; contrariwise, no amount of force can
control a free man, a man whose mind is free. No, not the rack, not
fission bombs, - not anything - you can't conquer a free man; the most
you can do is kill him.
~Robert A. Heinlein, If This Goes On, Revolt in 2100
ZnU
> ZnU wrote:
Handsets apparently don't phone home about this, and detecting it from
the network side requires actual analysis of transmitted data. This is
rather non-trivial when you have tens of millions of users, and would be
nearly impossible with the iPhone, which has thousands of third-party
apps and therefore could be generating almost any type and quantity of
traffic even untethered.
In a world where people can stream video to their iPhones all day long,
the whole artificial distinction between IP traffic to the handset and
IP traffic to a tethered device is meaningless nonsense. Carriers should
really just bill according to how much data people transfer (at
*reasonable prices*) and stop worrying about what devices people are
connecting.
Tim Murray
>> The Mac OS has supported Bluetooth DUN forever.
>
> As has WINDOWS. Windows also supports socket 7. Your point?
Windows didn't support Bluetooth until XP SP2, released in August 2004. Apple
supported Bluetooth in 2002.
Sorry you lost another pair of shoes.
Steve de Mena
This doesn't imply you couldn't use Bluetooth on Windows before, with
3rd party drivers.
Steve
Tim Murray
>
> Don't people get the phones from ATT, and wouldn't there be code in
> them to say "Hmmm...this guy is trying to tether, and I don't show he
> has a tethering plan....CLICK".
Possibly not. I have an old Motorola RAZR with no data plan on that number,
and I can tether for free through AT&T. It's slow as hell but the price is
right. I added a particular modem script, attach via Bluetooth, and I'm all
set.
Tim Murray
To me, the word "supported" is key. Whatever. I doubt zara had 3rd party in
mind. Of course now she's off Googling so she can say her brother in law was
doing it in Widows 3.11.
Fa-groon
(in article <3bGdnXDNkYWiUKPX...@giganews.com>):
Muah's an idiot. Sure the PHONE end of Apple's cable is a proprietary
connector, but the OTHER END is plain old garden variety USB. Meaning that it
will plug into practically ANY modern computer and allow tethering ( it will
probably even work with a lousy Windows box).
Fa-groon
(in article <znu-89F410.2...@Port80.Individual.NET>):
Apple haters like Tommy Troll, Muah, Dementia, etc., hate Apple and Apple's
products and services. NOTHING Apple does will ever be correct no matter what
it is that they do (unless what they do is to go out of business). So fuck
'em!
Steve de Mena
Well, just so you know, since I guess you have no knowledge of
Windows, is that 95% or more of the hardware out there when used under
Windows is supported by THIRD PARTY drivers.
Steve
Fa-groon
(in article <znu-99B595.2...@Port80.Individual.NET>):
> In article <n8-dnbxhDKLKLaPX...@giganews.com>,
> Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>
>> KDT wrote:
>>> So how many bad reviews have you seen of even the $12 cables that
>>> they sell at Walmart? So you *are* the person who buys $60 Monster
>>> cables. I use to love people like you when I worked on commission at
>>> an electronics store in college,
>>
>> We're talking cables where construction is the main issue, not
>> audio/video cables where purported fidelity of the signal is an issue.
>> I don't want to be on a trip and unplug the cable from my iPhone and
>> have it break and be without a cable in the middle of nowhere.
>
> Yes, this is a good reason not to buy an iPhone. You might a) need an
> extra cable, b) be too cheap to buy one from Apple, c) buy a bad
> third-party replacement and d) have it break in the middle of nowhere.
Given it's incredible usefulness, There is only one reason not to buy an
iPhone and that's the outrageous cost for AT&T's service. It's the reason why
I have an iPod Touch instead of an iPhone.
KDT
You were either a) trying to substantiate MuahMuah's claim that he
couldn't tether an iPhone to his computer because of the "proprietary
cable", b) trying to substantiate his claim that an iPod cable costs
$49 or c) just jumped into a thread which you had not read and didn't
know the substance of the argument.
KDT
> None of *what* issues?
>
> The ones you're rambling about. You seem to be confusing yourself. You pose
> a question, and then dispute your own answer. Is something wrong with you?
>
> The Mac OS has supported Bluetooth DUN forever.
>
> As has WINDOWS. Windows also supports socket 7. Your point?
You claimed that the *iPhone* would probably support tethering when
the *Macintosh* operating system was updated. One has nothing to do
with the other.
KDT
Please stay out of threads that you know nothing about. For instance
if a device supports one of the standard USB or bluetooth profiles
*no* drivers are necessary. Even for devices that do need drivers
such as printers or video cards, the operating still has support for
the basic infrastructure needed (i.e. DirectX, the plug and play
infrastructure, etc.)
Tim Murray
Yes, and thanks for acknowledging zara's lack of knowledge and my post, all
at the same time, since zara specifically referred to Windows, not third
party.