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[Thomas E.]

Baker once again fails to stay on the FF lead lap in 3 successive races. He was lapped twice by a fellow FF driver in one race!

See for yourself at http://www.sccbc.net/racers/results/?mylaps=type,event,eventid,1308954

FF class is in Open Wheel 2 results.

In the second race Allen managed the fewest finished laps of all open wheel class finishers. I think he really likes the smell of exhaust fumes on his weekend leisure drives in the park.

David McKay was having qualifying problems, and had the good sense to pass on the race. Alan apparently felt the need to be humbled again.

Excuses will be forthcoming. Expect to see a For Sale sign on #21 in the near future.

[Michael]

"Thomas E." wrote in message
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What do you expect, he's a masochist.

[Alan Baker]

On 2016-08-08 8:20 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
> Baker once again fails to stay on the FF lead lap in 3 successive
> races. He was lapped twice by a fellow FF driver in one race!

So nice that you're following me around the internet, Liarboy!

:-)

>
> See for yourself at
> http://www.sccbc.net/racers/results/?mylaps=type,event,eventid,1308954
>
> FF class is in Open Wheel 2 results.
>
> In the second race Allen managed the fewest finished laps of all open
> wheel class finishers. I think he really likes the smell of exhaust
> fumes on his weekend leisure drives in the park.

Once again, you demonstrate your utter dishonesty, Liarboy.

David McKay completed far fewer laps than I did. 17 for Dave vs 47 for
me. I can produce others if you'd like.

:-)

>
> David McKay was having qualifying problems, and had the good sense to
> pass on the race. Alan apparently felt the need to be humbled again.

David McKay got hit so hard it broke his right front and right rear
wheels and suspension. Hence the far few laps completed than I had.

I got hit in race 2 (the first race on Sunday) but was fortunate that
the only damage was just a small bend to the steering arm on my right
front upright for which I was able to compensate by lengthening the tie
rod.

By the way, that's the reason I was "lapped twice": I was hit in turn
one of the last lap and had to leave the track via the back door at turn
two.

>
> Excuses will be forthcoming. Expect to see a For Sale sign on #21 in
> the near future.

LOL

[Michael]

"Thomas E." wrote in message
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>Baker once again fails to stay on the FF lead lap in 3 successive races. He
>was lapped twice by a fellow FF driver in one race!

snipped as NE.

>Excuses will be forthcoming. Expect to see a For Sale sign on #21 in the
>near future.

Your prediction was right on!!

[Alan Baker]

What excuses?

I simply told Liarboy what happened.

:-)

[Thomas E.]

Really? What facts I stated do you dispute?

You probably got hit because you are so slow!

[Alan Baker]

That I completed the "fewest finished laps of all open wheel class
finishers".

That was a lie.

Not only did I complete more laps that Dave McKay (as previously shown),
I completed more laps (47) than Glenn Yuen (33).

Shall I point out more examples of your mendacity, Liarboy?

>
> You probably got hit because you are so slow!

Nope. I got hit by a rookie who was driving a car far over his head. I
was moving over for drivers in a faster class (FC) when he tried a
kamikaze late-braking pass of one of them into turn one, locked his
wheels and drove right into me.

And I wasn't the only one he hit that weekend.

:-)

[Thomas E.]

Oh, now comes yet another Baker big fat lie. Yuen DNF'd in one race. I said finishers.

http://www.mylaps.com/en/classification/4084917&perClass=1

And another lie, it WAS someone going faster than #21, aka "The Slug!"

Alan, when are you going to tell the truth? All these lies make anything you say very doubtful.

[Alan Baker]

So basically, you're hold the fact that I was a finisher of all three
races as making me worse than those who DNF'ed?

And James Nadolny was classified as a finisher in all three races with
17, 18, and 8 laps...

...and that's still less than my 47.

Shown to be a liar again, Liarboy.

:-)

>
> http://www.mylaps.com/en/classification/4084917&perClass=1
>
> And another lie, it WAS someone going faster than #21, aka "The Slug!"

Cars in different classes go at different speeds, Liarboy.

The car in question was Formula Ford Ecoboost imported from Europe with
something like 180hp to my North American spec Formula F which was
probably making between 100-110hp. So of course it was faster.

As were the Formula Continentals.

That's what different classes are all about.

I wasn't racing the FCs or the FLs (Formula Libras--a catchall class),
so I moved over to let them through (as you're supposed to do), but Alex
came in too fast and locked up all his wheels before he eventually ran
into me.

>
> Alan, when are you going to tell the truth? All these lies make anything you say very doubtful.

I told no lies, Liarboy.

You on the other hand held forth that you'd carefully checked the race
results and found that I'd finished fewer laps than any other finisher...

...and therefore you either lied by implying you'd actually checked,

...or you lied by omitting James Nadolny.

:-)

>

[Michael]

"Thomas E." wrote in message

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You got the little meat puppet dancing up a storm.

[Michael]

"Alan Baker" wrote in message news:noag7n$cco$2...@news.datemas.de...

ex·cuse.

VERB

1.attempt to lessen the blame attaching to (a fault or offense); seek to
defend or justify:

>I simply told Liarboy what happened.

Yes, you put forth your excuses. You get more stupid by the day.

[Alan Baker]

On 2016-08-08 2:18 PM, Michael wrote:
>
>
> "Alan Baker" wrote in message news:noag7n$cco$2...@news.datemas.de...
>
> On 2016-08-08 10:39 AM, Michael wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Thomas E." wrote in message
>> news:c463532a-0137-4ab0...@googlegroups.com...
>>
>>> Baker once again fails to stay on the FF lead lap in 3 successive
>>> races. He was lapped twice by a fellow FF driver in one race!
>> snipped as NE.
>>
>>> Excuses will be forthcoming. Expect to see a For Sale sign on #21 in
>>> the near future.
>>
>> Your prediction was right on!!
>>
>
>> What excuses?
>
>
> ex·cuse.
>
> VERB
>
> 1.attempt to lessen the blame attaching to (a fault or offense); seek to
> defend or justify:

What words did I write that did that?

[Thomas E.]

MORE Baker lies!

What I said was that you had the fewest laps among the finishers in the 2nd race. Nowhere did I make any claims about total laps in all 3 races. The only thing I said about all 3 was that you were lapped. That is a fact. Another fact, you were also lapped within FF in all 3 races.

Scroll up and look at what I stated as a clear fact. You had 15 laps in race 2, the 2 drivers with fewer both DNF'd.

You are toast, caught lying and twisting words again!

[Alan Baker]

On 2016-08-08 2:41 PM, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Monday, August 8, 2016 at 3:57:10 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2016-08-08 12:33 PM, Thomas E. wrote:
>>> On Monday, August 8, 2016 at 1:54:09 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>> On 2016-08-08 10:46 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, August 8, 2016 at 1:26:15 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>> On 2016-08-08 8:20 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>>>> Baker once again fails to stay on the FF lead lap in 3 successive
>>>>>>> races. He was lapped twice by a fellow FF driver in one race!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So nice that you're following me around the internet, Liarboy!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> See for yourself at
>>>>>>> http://www.sccbc.net/racers/results/?mylaps=type,event,eventid,1308954
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> FF class is in Open Wheel 2 results.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the second race Allen managed the fewest finished laps of all open
>>>>>>> wheel class finishers. I think he really likes the smell of exhaust
>>>>>>> fumes on his weekend leisure drives in the park.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Once again, you demonstrate your utter dishonesty, Liarboy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David McKay completed far fewer laps than I did. 17 for Dave vs 47 for
>>>>>> me. I can produce others if you'd like.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David McKay was having qualifying problems, and had the good sense to

>>>>>>> pass on the race. Alan apparently felt the need to be humbled again..

LOL

And you are caught following me around the 'Net like a whipped puppy,
Liarboy!

Was it a good weekend for me? Nope.

Do I know why? Not really. I was rusty, and I don't think I was getting
very much help from the racing gods when my fresh set of tires were
going flat in qualifying, so I was forced to race on my old set.

Does it matter? Yes and no.

I enjoyed the weekend, but I was frustrated by my lack of pace.

But I know I'll sort it out.

:-)

[Alan Baker]

On 2016-08-08 2:41 PM, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Monday, August 8, 2016 at 3:57:10 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2016-08-08 12:33 PM, Thomas E. wrote:
>>> On Monday, August 8, 2016 at 1:54:09 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>> On 2016-08-08 10:46 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, August 8, 2016 at 1:26:15 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>> On 2016-08-08 8:20 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>>>> Baker once again fails to stay on the FF lead lap in 3 successive
>>>>>>> races. He was lapped twice by a fellow FF driver in one race!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So nice that you're following me around the internet, Liarboy!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> See for yourself at
>>>>>>> http://www.sccbc.net/racers/results/?mylaps=type,event,eventid,1308954
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> FF class is in Open Wheel 2 results.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the second race Allen managed the fewest finished laps of all open
>>>>>>> wheel class finishers. I think he really likes the smell of exhaust
>>>>>>> fumes on his weekend leisure drives in the park.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Once again, you demonstrate your utter dishonesty, Liarboy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David McKay completed far fewer laps than I did. 17 for Dave vs 47 for
>>>>>> me. I can produce others if you'd like.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David McKay was having qualifying problems, and had the good sense to

>>>>>>> pass on the race. Alan apparently felt the need to be humbled again..

Actually, you said that I managed the fewest laps of "all open wheel
class finishers", and didn't restrict those finishers to just the second
race, so...

[Thomas E.]

OK, it was meant to be restricted to the OW1 race 2.

"In the second race Allen managed the fewest finished laps of all open wheel class finishers." That's true for that race. You finished with 15 laps, all other finishers had more.

[Alan Baker]

Then you should have phrased it better...

>
> "In the second race Allen managed the fewest finished laps of all
> open wheel class finishers." That's true for that race. You finished
> with 15 laps, all other finishers had more.
>

Yup. Because I was hit in turn one of the last lap. Otherwise I'd have
had 16 laps.

Yet you give a pass to those classified DNF.

Once again, your rather horrible double standard comes into view, Liarboy.

:-)

[Michael]

"Thomas E." wrote in message
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I just looked at the results. Abysmal.

He was slower than a snail!!! In every race!!! This after three years of
trying??? It was as if someone's grandmother was out for a Sunday drive to
see the sights!!

He just seems to love to fail....at everything.

[Thomas E.]

Within the FF class you have been lapped in all 4 races you finished this year. Your standards are horribly low.

FYI - in my 4 years of running a CAP program that involves coordinating 40-50% of my state's flying hours I have won the Great Lakes Region "best of the year" award for that particular activity class 3 times. The only year I missed was my first one running that program. No excuses, the first year was a learning experience. Now several states in the region are modeling their program based on what I have set up. That's my standard. I like finishing first.

I have also won a national excellence award for running the state's financial program.

More to the point, I like finishing first based on excellence in planning, execution, and treating my co-workers with honesty and respect.

[Alan Baker]

LOL!

>
> FYI - in my 4 years of running a CAP program that involves
> coordinating 40-50% of my state's flying hours I have won the Great
> Lakes Region "best of the year" award for that particular activity
> class 3 times. The only year I missed was my first one running that
> program. No excuses, the first year was a learning experience. Now
> several states in the region are modeling their program based on what
> I have set up. That's my standard. I like finishing first.

Bully for you!

>
> I have also won a national excellence award for running the state's
> financial program.
>
> More to the point, I like finishing first based on excellence in
> planning, execution, and treating my co-workers with honesty and
> respect.

LOL

[-hh]

On Thursday, August 11, 2016 at 11:03:54 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> Alan Baker wrote:
> >
> > [snips]

> >
> > Yet you give a pass to those classified DNF.
> > Once again, your rather horrible double standard comes into view, Liarboy.
>

> Within the FF class you have been lapped in all 4 races
> you finished this year. Your standards are horribly low.

How does that address the point that you ignored DNFs?


> FYI - in my 4 years of running a CAP program ...

Oh, look: the thread's actual motive comes to light,
which is for Tom to try to compare others to himself,
so that he can claim to be in a better light.

> More to the point, I like finishing first based
> on excellence in planning, execution, and treating
> my co-workers with honesty and respect.

That may be what you like, but as evidenced that you
were forced out the door in your last full time regular
job .. your managers apparently must have found you
to be inadequate by _their_ standards...right?


-hh

[Thomas E.]

I LOL at you getting lapped in every race too!

[Alan Baker]

On 2016-08-11 3:59 PM, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> So nice that you're following me around the
>>>>>>>>>>>> internet, Liarboy!
>>>>>>>>>>>>

Yup. I was off the pace... ...off my own pace, Liarboy.

Still haven't seen an explanation of why you give a pass to those who
DNF'ed in race 2 and your understanding that the reason I was lapped
twice was that I had to pull off the course after being hit.

:-)

[Thomas E.]

I did not ignore the DNFs. I compared Alan to those who finished. You do know that DNF means Did Not Finish? Face it, Alan has a long history of being lapped and finishing near the bottom of his FF class. Could be the car? I'd love for McColl and Baker to switch cars and see what happens on a 2 car race.

Management wanted to cut costs at that point in time. The entire department was abolished. They replaced us with new hires at half the cost/head. There was a complete turnover at the top management level about a year before, and the financials declined. The new team was under a lot of pressure to do something to improve the bottom line.

About half of my post-retirement consulting income has come from that ex-employer. As I write this I am in Costa Rica helping out with meeting between that ex-employer and one of their largest global customers. So, 13 years on I continue to be valued. It's actually not all that uncommon a circumstance.

Besides, they gave me a very nice 6 figure going away present too!

[Thomas E.]

Oh, you got run down and taken out by a faster car...LOL

So, ok, that affected the one race. You were lapped within class in the other 2 races too. You have been lapped within class in every race this year. Other than being a non-competitive driver what's the excuse for that fact?

[Alan Baker]

Yes, Liarboy: we race in multi-class run groups.

The driver who hit me braked WAY too late, locked up and there was
literally nothing I could do.

>
> So, ok, that affected the one race. You were lapped within class in
> the other 2 races too. You have been lapped within class in every
> race this year. Other than being a non-competitive driver what's the
> excuse for that fact?

I haven't been lapped within class in every race, Liarboy.

You should really check your facts before posting.

[Thomas E.]

Braked too late? That's YOUR observation, and IMHO an excuse. Given your slow pace, every driver brakes too late. Braking early is why you can't win a race!

Quote: You have been lapped within class in every
race this year.

May 1 DNF
May 1 lapped
August 6 lapped
August 7 lapped
August 7 lapped

If you don't run or don't finish I guess you were not lapped. If you finished, you were lapped. I welcome your correction.

[Alan Baker]

No. That's HIS admission to me afterward. He came up, apologized for
overcooking it in the braking zone and offered to pay for the damage.

Facts: they are pesky things, aren't they?

And I noticed you completely avoided replying to the part about
multi-class groups and the fact that there are cars out there that are
ALWAYS going to be faster than a Formula Ford.

:-)


And no, actually: I'm braking pretty much where everyone else brakes,
give or take a car length.

It is a common misconception that squeezing the very last out of the
braking zone is a very important part of a fast lap.

>
> Quote: You have been lapped within class in every race this year.
>
> May 1 DNF May 1 lapped August 6 lapped August 7 lapped August 7
> lapped
>
> If you don't run or don't finish I guess you were not lapped. If you
> finished, you were lapped. I welcome your correction.

What a pity you needed it...

[Thomas E.]

So which race that you ran and finished this year were you not lapped by a ff driver?

[Thomas E.]

[Alan Baker]

On 2016-08-11 8:14 PM, Thomas E. wrote:
> So which race that you ran and finished this year were you not lapped by a ff driver?
>

You said I was lapped in every race.

Fact is, you admitted I wasn't.

Now you've snipped it all like the Liarboy you are!

[Alan Baker]

On 2016-08-11 8:14 PM, Thomas E. wrote:

> So which race that you ran and finished this year were you not lapped by a ff driver?
>

I notice you're running away as fast as you can from all that has gone
before, Liarboy...

[Thomas E.]

So your excuse is you did not run in every race? OMG. What a loser.

[Thomas E.]

That would be you running away from your sorry ass race record

LOL

[Thomas E.]

[Thomas E.]

Fact is you take the obvious and twist it into an interpretation to suit your evil purpose.

[Thomas E.]

[ed]

On Thursday, August 11, 2016 at 4:16:21 PM UTC-
...

> Management wanted to cut costs at that point in time. The entire department was abolished. They replaced us with new hires at half the cost/head.

"The entire department was abolished" and you being "replaced" with new hires does not appear to be congruent.

...

[Alan Baker]

On 2016-08-11 8:28 PM, Thomas E. wrote:
> So your excuse is you did not run in every race? OMG. What a loser.
>

Nope.

[Alan Baker]

On 2016-08-11 8:32 PM, Thomas E. wrote:
> That would be you running away from your sorry ass race record
>
> LOL
>

LOL

[Alan Baker]

On 2016-08-11 8:37 PM, Thomas E. wrote:
> Fact is you take the obvious and twist it into an interpretation to suit your evil purpose.
>

LOL!

[Alan Baker]

Except you crowed about me being lapped twice in race 2...

...when in fact it was really a DNF caused by being hit by a rookie
driver who was in over his head...

...at which point you tried to crow about the fact that a faster class
was faster.

[Thomas E.]

It was abolished for about 2 months, then reconstituted with new hires.

[Thomas E.]

OK then explain why you were not lapped in every race you finished.

Are you using the excuse that you DNFd in a race? Because in the other 3 you ran the records say you were lapped by a FF competitor.

[-hh]

Thomas E. wrote:
> ed wrote:

> > Tom wrote:
> > >
> > > Management wanted to cut costs at that point in time. The
> > > entire department was abolished. They replaced us with
> > > new hires at half the cost/head.
> >
> > "The entire department was abolished" and you being "replaced"
> > with new hires does not appear to be congruent.
>

> It was abolished for about 2 months, then reconstituted with new hires.

Translation: you & the other employees were nevertheless found
to have been inadequate by _their_ standards.


In any case, its not unheard of anymore for senior management to
cut loose a group specifically to get rid of an older, expensive
employee ... its how they sidestep a valid age discrimination lawsuit.


-hh

[Michael]

"Thomas E." wrote in message
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Why are you even explaining anything to these nobody nothings? They are
Luzers without lives. Low buckers, who can only wish.

[Alan Baker]

Yup.

Because you've already been using that excuse.

YOU set the standard, Liarboy.

:-)

[Michael]

"Thomas E." wrote in message

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>Fact is you take the obvious and twist it into an interpretation to suit
>your evil purpose.

The DLS is contorting like an eel trying excuse after excuse, in a failed
attempt to deny what an abject Luzer he is.

[Tim]

In article <nolm10$lvr$1...@dont-email.me>, Michael <mik...@gmail.com>
wrote:

go eat some more dog shit michael before it all gets cold! If anybody
is a 'Luzer' it's you!

[Michael]

"Tim" wrote in message
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What!! And take food out of your mouth?

>If anybody is a 'Luzer' it's you!

And if anyone is a Scumbag, it's you. Can't you be a little more creative,
Asshole? No, I don't think so.

Is your wife still servicing your neighbors and friends?

[Thomas E.]

And the latter is exactly what happened to four of us. The four who were not magically offered other positions in other areas were all senior level management, and retirement-eligible. In my case, I was in the top 10% salary bracket of all U.S. based mid-manager-level employees in the company, not just my division. The two who "found" positions were much younger, and less costly to the company. Am I bitter? A little, I loved my job. But the company also let a few younger ones go, and there was that very nice parachute.

[Thomas E.]

Face it liarboy, if you are good enough to keep up with the FF leaders you are not be in the position to be run down by less skilled drivers. Just watch a NASCAR race. How often do the leaders get caught up in those middle of the pack crashes?

[Alan Baker]

LOL

You have no clue... ...as usual.

[-hh]

Thomas E. wrote:
> -hh wrote:
> > Thomas E. wrote:
> > > ed wrote:
> > > > Tom wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Management wanted to cut costs at that point in time. The
> > > > > entire department was abolished. They replaced us with
> > > > > new hires at half the cost/head.
> > > >
> > > > "The entire department was abolished" and you being "replaced"
> > > > with new hires does not appear to be congruent.
> > >
> > > It was abolished for about 2 months, then reconstituted with new hires.
> >
> > Translation: you & the other employees were nevertheless found
> > to have been inadequate by _their_ standards.
> >
> >
> > In any case, its not unheard of anymore for senior management to
> > cut loose a group specifically to get rid of an older, expensive
> > employee ... its how they sidestep a valid age discrimination lawsuit.
>

> And the latter is exactly what happened to four of us. The four who
> were not magically offered other positions in other areas were all senior

> level management, and retirement-eligible.... The two who "found"

> positions were much younger, and less costly to the company.

> Am I bitter? A little, ... and there was that very nice parachute.

Somehow, if it was as blatant as you're suggesting it was, it is quite odd
that you allowed yourself to be bought off so cheaply: your previously
mentioned "very nice" golden parachute's severance was only $130K.

> In my case, I was in the top 10% salary bracket of all U.S. based
> mid-manager-level employees in the company, not just my division.

And once again, its all about Tommy to try to find ways to brag about himself.

Now since Tommy didn't provide a cite to his claim, a quick Google on
on 'average salary mid level manager' (no quotes) has its first hit as:

<https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/mid-level-manager-salary-SRCH_KO0,17.htm>

which indicates a National average salary of $65K per year, with a 10th
percentile at $34K and a 90th percentile at $95K.

While Tommy tries to reconcile with what he was actually paid (vs his claims),
a recent conversation on COLA mentioned some context, namely that the
National _median_ salary for a programmer (non-management) is $80K/year.


-hh

[-hh]

> You have no clue... ...as usual.

Particularly since those NASCAR guys have lots more experience and
there's invariably at least one of the "big names" which gets caught up
in a mid-pack wreck virtually every racing weekend they drive.


-hh

[Alan Baker]

And all the cars are prepared to the same specification...


...and the regular full course yellows are forever collecting the field
into one group.

:-)

[-hh]

Alan wrote:

> -hh wrote:
> > Alan Baker wrote:
>>> On 2016-08-14 7:22 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Face it liarboy, if you are good enough to keep up with the FF
>>>> leaders you are not be in the position to be run down by less skilled
>>>> drivers. Just watch a NASCAR race. How often do the leaders get
>>>> caught up in those middle of the pack crashes?
>>>
>>> You have no clue... ...as usual.
>>
>> Particularly since those NASCAR guys have lots more experience and
>> there's invariably at least one of the "big names" which gets caught up
>> in a mid-pack wreck virtually every racing weekend they drive.
>
> And all the cars are prepared to the same specification...
>
> ...and the regular full course yellows are forever collecting the field
> into one group.

Oh, there's never any yellows, because those guys are so much better, don'tcha know? /S

FWIW, there is multiclass in some series such as AMS, but even here, there's
also often tangles between the LMP's and GT classes.


-hh

[Alan Baker]

What our Liarboy wants to ignore is that EVERY Formula Ford in Race 2
was lapped at least once.

:-)

[michae...@gmail.com]

BWAHAAAHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!

You were dog slow. In EVERY race. And you can't bullshit your way out of that, Luzer, no matter how hard you try.

YOU FAILED.......yet again.

You should just STFU and crawl back in your hole.

It's over. You are over.

If you were dead, the world would be a better place.

Why don't you do something good for humanity and off yourself?

:-)

[Thomas E.]

The 130K parachute was after tax, 238K before tax.

Salary was 120k/year + bonus before tax. Peak year was about $300k including bonuses. Typical was about $200k.

Average since retirement $204k, and no corporate meetings and BS. :)

I'm happy.

[Thomas E.]

I do have a clue. The clue is that you have NEVER won a FF race.

[Alan Baker]

True.

So?

I'm still very new at this.

:-)

[-hh]

> The 130K parachute was after tax, 238K before tax.

Withholding of $108K from $238K to get $130K would be 45%, but the
Fed's highest marginal income tax bracket in 2003 was only 35%.


-hh

[ed]

> The 130K parachute was after tax, 238K before tax.
>
> Salary was 120k/year + bonus before tax. Peak year was about $300k including bonuses. Typical was about $200k.
>
> Average since retirement $204k, and no corporate meetings and BS. :)

How can it be $204k be your average if hh's numbers were about right?

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/h48mmyD0_-I/hfUdxXQR56QJ

[Tim]

In article <nonapq$run$1...@dont-email.me>, Michael <mik...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> "Tim" wrote in message
> news:130820160652245245%teadams$2$0$0$3...@earthlink.net...
>
> In article <nolm10$lvr$1...@dont-email.me>, Michael <mik...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > "Thomas E." wrote in message
> > news:0ab7a6b5-6211-4114...@googlegroups.com...
> >
> > >Fact is you take the obvious and twist it into an interpretation to suit
> > >your evil purpose.
> >
> > The DLS is contorting like an eel trying excuse after excuse, in a failed
> > attempt to deny what an abject Luzer he is.
> >
>
> >go eat some more dog shit michael before it all gets cold!
>
> What!! And take food out of your mouth?

poor michael already conceded he was the one that ate all the dog shit!

>
>
> >If anybody is a 'Luzer' it's you!
>
> And if anyone is a Scumbag, it's you. Can't you be a little more creative,
> Asshole? No, I don't think so.

keep running from reality michael. That's all Luzer like you can do.

[Tim]

In article <88f80af3-e031-4e6a...@googlegroups.com>,

yet you were to scared to even sit in a car and _try_ to race when
offered the opportunity. run michael run!

>
> YOU FAILED.......yet again.
>
> You should just STFU and crawl back in your hole.
>
> It's over. You are over.
>
> If you were dead, the world would be a better place.
>
> Why don't you do something good for humanity and off yourself?
>
> :-)

and again you prove yourself a Luzer!
way to go michael!

[Michael]

"Tim", AKA Dim, the shit eating idiot babbled in message
news:150820160758144332%teadams$2$0$0$3...@earthlink.net...

> You were dog slow. In EVERY race. And you can't bullshit your way out of
> that, Luzer, no matter how hard you try.

>yet you were to scared to even sit in a car and _try_ to race when
>offered the opportunity. run michael run!

It seems that all the dog and cat shit you have been scarfing up and
sniffing, has made you delusional Dim. Perhaps you can show a cite to prove
your rants?

Any truth to the rumor that you sniff socks also?

>and again you prove yourself a Luzer!
>way to go michael!

Awwww....., Dim is so dimwitted, he is forced to plagiarize, ME!! If he
wasn't such a lowlife idiot, I might be flattered.

Dim is another masochist who loves to be shit on. He seems to have an
affinity for it.

OK, Dim....I give you the last. Eat a big helping of shit and give it your
best shot. You will fail as usual, but give it a go anyway.

[Alan Baker]

On 2016-08-15 2:44 PM, Michael wrote:
>
>
> "Tim", AKA Dim, the shit eating idiot babbled in message
> news:150820160758144332%teadams$2$0$0$3...@earthlink.net...
>
>
>> You were dog slow. In EVERY race. And you can't bullshit your way out of
>> that, Luzer, no matter how hard you try.
>
>> yet you were to scared to even sit in a car and _try_ to race when
>> offered the opportunity. run michael run!
>
> It seems that all the dog and cat shit you have been scarfing up and
> sniffing, has made you delusional Dim. Perhaps you can show a cite to
> prove your rants?

Perhaps you can prove you were ever in a race car...

[Michael]

"Alan Baker" wrote in message news:notdkm$76b$1...@news.datemas.de...

Perhaps. But not to a worthless Mutt like you. If you live or die doesn't
mean a thing to me.

But it's heartwarming to see you attempt to defend your butt buddy, Dim.
Did you ever take him to the Pumpjack Pub?

If you were dead, the world would be a better place.

You should really off yourself and end your misery.

:-)

OK... ...end... ...bye.

[Alan Baker]

On 2016-08-15 4:28 PM, Michael wrote:
>
>
> "Alan Baker" wrote in message news:notdkm$76b$1...@news.datemas.de...
>
> On 2016-08-15 2:44 PM, Michael wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Tim", AKA Dim, the shit eating idiot babbled in message
>> news:150820160758144332%teadams$2$0$0$3...@earthlink.net...
>>
>>
>>> You were dog slow. In EVERY race. And you can't bullshit your way out of
>>> that, Luzer, no matter how hard you try.
>>
>>> yet you were to scared to even sit in a car and _try_ to race when
>>> offered the opportunity. run michael run!
>>
>> It seems that all the dog and cat shit you have been scarfing up and
>> sniffing, has made you delusional Dim. Perhaps you can show a cite to
>> prove your rants?
>
>> Perhaps you can prove you were ever in a race car...
>
> Perhaps. But not to a worthless Mutt like you. If you live or die
> doesn't mean a thing to me.

And yet you posted this reply...

So... ...got any proof?

:-)

>
> But it's heartwarming to see you attempt to defend your butt buddy, Dim.
> Did you ever take him to the Pumpjack Pub?
>
> If you were dead, the world would be a better place.
>
> You should really off yourself and end your misery.
>
> :-)
>
> OK... ...end... ...bye.

What a pity you lack the will power to make that stick...

[Michael]

"Alan Baker" wrote in message news:notjqh$i2a$1...@news.datemas.de...

What a pity that you fail at Psyche,.... .... just like you fail at
everything else.

But if you ever get the balls and money to meet me at Lime Rock Park....
.... ping me. I will beat you, take your money, and spit in your homely
face. Loser.

:-)

OK.... .... end.... .... maybe.

[Alan Baker]

On 2016-08-15 4:51 PM, Michael wrote:
>>>> You were dog slow. In EVERY race. And you can't bullshit your way
>>>> out of
>>>> that, Luzer, no matter how hard you try.
>>>
>>>> yet you were to scared to even sit in a car and _try_ to race when
>>>> offered the opportunity. run michael run!
>>>
>>> It seems that all the dog and cat shit you have been scarfing up and
>>> sniffing, has made you delusional Dim. Perhaps you can show a cite to
>>> prove your rants?
>>
>>> Perhaps you can prove you were ever in a race car...
>>
>> Perhaps. But not to a worthless Mutt like you. If you live or die
>> doesn't mean a thing to me.
>
>> And yet you posted this reply...
>
>> So... ...got any proof?

So that's a no, huh?

Yeah.... ...is anyone surprise?

:-)

>
>> :-)
>
>>
>> But it's heartwarming to see you attempt to defend your butt buddy, Dim.
>> Did you ever take him to the Pumpjack Pub?
>>
>> If you were dead, the world would be a better place.
>>
>> You should really off yourself and end your misery.
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> OK... ...end... ...bye.
>
>> What a pity you lack the will power to make that stick...
>
> What a pity that you fail at Psyche,.... .... just like you fail at
> everything else.
>

"OK... ...end... ...bye."

> But if you ever get the balls and money to meet me at Lime Rock Park....
> .... ping me. I will beat you, take your money, and spit in your homely
> face. Loser.

Which was your car again?

>
> :-)
>
> OK.... .... end.... .... maybe.

See? I knew you couldn't do it!

:-)

[Michael]

"Alan, Dumb Little Shit, Baker" wrote in message
news:notkpd$jm0$1...@news.datemas.de...

snip all Allies babblings.

Yaaaaawwwwnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn .... .... I feel rather fatigued now.
Actually .... .... bored to a near coma..... ..... by a boring,
little man.... .... without a life...

I .... .... wonder. Ever get a new tooth to replace the one the guy
knocked out? On second thought .... .... don't bother. No one cares.

[Alan Baker]

And yet.. ...here you are...

...again.

"OK... ...end... ...bye."

[Michael]

"Alan Baker" wrote in message news:notn37$nod$1...@news.datemas.de...

What a pity you lack the will power to make that stick...

If you were dead, the world would be a better place.

You should end your miserable life .... .... tonight. It would certainly
....

.... amuse me.

:-)

[Alan Baker]

On 2016-08-15 6:09 PM, Michael wrote:
>
>
> "Alan Baker" wrote in message news:notn37$nod$1...@news.datemas.de...
>
> On 2016-08-15 5:06 PM, Michael wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Alan, Dumb Little Shit, Baker" wrote in message
>> news:notkpd$jm0$1...@news.datemas.de...
>>
>> snip all Allies babblings.
>>
>> Yaaaaawwwwnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn .... .... I feel rather fatigued now.
>> Actually .... .... bored to a near coma..... ..... by a boring,
>> little man.... .... without a life...
>>
>> I .... .... wonder. Ever get a new tooth to replace the one the guy
>> knocked out? On second thought .... .... don't bother. No one
>> cares.
>
>> And yet.. ...here you are...
>
>> ...again.
>
>> "OK... ...end... ...bye."
>
>
> What a pity you lack the will power to make that stick...

See?

:-)

>
>
> If you were dead, the world would be a better place.
>
> You should end your miserable life .... .... tonight. It would
> certainly .....
>

> ..... amuse me.
>
> :-)

[Tim]

In article <notd32$12v$1...@dont-email.me>, Michael <mik...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> "Tim", AKA Dim, the shit eating idiot babbled in message
> news:150820160758144332%teadams$2$0$0$3...@earthlink.net...
>
>
> > You were dog slow. In EVERY race. And you can't bullshit your way out of
> > that, Luzer, no matter how hard you try.
>
> >yet you were to scared to even sit in a car and _try_ to race when
> >offered the opportunity. run michael run!
>
> It seems that all the dog and cat shit you have been scarfing up and
> sniffing, has made you delusional Dim.

poor michael can't remember that he's already conceded that he eats all
the dog shit he can get his hands on. run michael run!

> Perhaps you can show a cite to prove
> your rants?
>
> Any truth to the rumor that you sniff socks also?

boy michael, eating all of that dog shit sure has effected your brain,
well, it wasn't much of a brain to begin with anyway so no great loss.

>
>
> >and again you prove yourself a Luzer!
> >way to go michael!
>
> Awwww....., Dim is so dimwitted, he is forced to plagiarize, ME!! If he
> wasn't such a lowlife idiot, I might be flattered.

poor Luzer michael. run michael run

>
> Dim is another masochist who loves to be shit on. He seems to have an
> affinity for it.
>
> OK, Dim....I give you the last. Eat a big helping of shit and give it your
> best shot. You will fail as usual, but give it a go anyway.
>
>

poor michael can't remember that he's already conceded that he eats all
the dog shit he can get his hands on. run michael run!

[Tim]

In article <notj7g$l33$1...@dont-email.me>, Michael <mik...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> "Alan Baker" wrote in message news:notdkm$76b$1...@news.datemas.de...
>
> On 2016-08-15 2:44 PM, Michael wrote:
> >
> >
> > "Tim", AKA Dim, the shit eating idiot babbled in message
> > news:150820160758144332%teadams$2$0$0$3...@earthlink.net...
> >
> >
> >> You were dog slow. In EVERY race. And you can't bullshit your way out of
> >> that, Luzer, no matter how hard you try.
> >
> >> yet you were to scared to even sit in a car and _try_ to race when
> >> offered the opportunity. run michael run!
> >
> > It seems that all the dog and cat shit you have been scarfing up and
> > sniffing, has made you delusional Dim. Perhaps you can show a cite to
> > prove your rants?
>
> >Perhaps you can prove you were ever in a race car...
>
> Perhaps. But not to a worthless Mutt like you. If you live or die doesn't
> mean a thing to me.

and the luzer runs away AGAIN. so typical of you michael!

>
> But it's heartwarming to see you attempt to defend your butt buddy, Dim.
> Did you ever take him to the Pumpjack Pub?
>
> If you were dead, the world would be a better place.
>
> You should really off yourself and end your misery.
>
> :-)
>
> OK... ...end... ...bye.
>

the only time you'll 'end' is when the people at the home your living
in come and wheel you away from the computer.

[Michael]

"Alan Baker" wrote in message news:nouhse$6ub$1...@news.datemas.de...

[Thomas E.]

State taxes are flat 4.4%. Medicare is not capped either, my share was 1.45%. I cashed in options that drove my gross income through the roof, costing me deductions and exemptions. The 130k is from a rough marginal rate estimate based on all those considerations. It might have actually been a bit more. The total tax bill was well over 100k.

[Thomas E.]

First of all, those average numbers are not corrected for education. A PhD in a business field is worth more than the average in the private sector.

Using averages reveals just how little you know.

The numbers are for total family income, including the wife.

I was also in a big pharma company known for it's generous pay and bonus programs. Post retirement, my little consulting company has netted well over $1 million in 12 years, close to $100k per year before taxes. Paying both sides of FICA and Medicare has been a bummer though on the net income. It helps too that between us we now get 4 retirement checks a month - 2 private and 2 SS. Then there are also the RMDs that kicked in this year for me on a 401K and 2 IRAs.

Looking back at the spreadsheet the number came from I found that I had not updated the divisor in the average or my current 2016 estimate. It's actually 197k.

Finally, the 204k average includes the 2003 retirement year. I left in February, collecting only 2 months of salary. If you exclude 2003 and the bonus the average is 178k. Then again, my autos are lasting 5-8 years now, not 3-4! I was driving 25-35k miles a year with the commuting back and forth.

No brag, just facts as best I know them.

[ed]

What the heck are you talking about? None of that is discussed in the post above.

> The numbers are for total family income, including the wife.

Ha.

> I was also in a big pharma company known for it's generous pay and bonus programs. Post retirement, my little consulting company has netted well over $1 million in 12 years, close to $100k per year before taxes.

Yeah, you sure tried to make it aound like $204k above though.

> Paying both sides of FICA and Medicare has been a bummer though on the net income. It helps too that between us we now get 4 retirement checks a month - 2 private and 2 SS. Then there are also the RMDs that kicked in this year for me on a 401K and 2 IRAs.
>
> Looking back at the spreadsheet the number came from I found that I had not updated the divisor in the average or my current 2016 estimate. It's actually 197k.
>
> Finally, the 204k average includes the 2003 retirement year. I left in February, collecting only 2 months of salary. If you exclude 2003 and the bonus the average is 178k. Then again, my autos are lasting 5-8 years now, not 3-4! I was driving 25-35k miles a year with the commuting back and forth.
>
> No brag, just facts as best I know them.

IP

[michae...@gmail.com]

Green eyed jealousy rears it's ugly head ... again.

I never get upset over the few who make more than me. There will always be some.

[Thomas E.]

On Saturday, August 20, 2016 at 12:56:13 PM UTC-4, ed wrote:

Huh? I was referring to the citation of averages for mid-level managers. Want to see redacted W2s for a couple of years?

[ed]

Why would you do that rather than refer to the hh post I linked to? ;)

> Want to see redacted W2s for a couple of years?

No need you've clarified already.

[ed]

Ha, yeah.

[-hh]

On Saturday, August 20, 2016 at 4:26:37 PM UTC-4, ed wrote:
> On Saturday, August 20, 2016 at 11:26:51 AM UTC-7, Thomas E. wrote:

> > ed wrote:
> > > Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > ed wrote:
> > > > > Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > -hh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > ed wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Tom wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Management wanted to cut costs at that point in time. The
> > > > > > > > > > > > entire department was abolished. They replaced us with
> > > > > > > > > > > > new hires at half the cost/head.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "The entire department was abolished" and you being "replaced"
> > > > > > > > > > > with new hires does not appear to be congruent.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > It was abolished for about 2 months, then reconstituted with new hires.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Translation: you & the other employees were nevertheless found
> > > > > > > > > to have been inadequate by _their_ standards.
> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > And....

> > > > > > > > Am I bitter? A little, ... and there was that very nice parachute.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Somehow, if it was as blatant as you're suggesting it was, it is quite odd
> > > > > > > that you allowed yourself to be bought off so cheaply: your previously
> > > > > > > mentioned "very nice" golden parachute's severance was only $130K.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In my case, I was in the top 10% salary bracket of all U.S. based
> > > > > > > > mid-manager-level employees in the company, not just my division.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And once again, its all about Tommy to try to find ways to brag about himself.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Now since Tommy didn't provide a cite to his claim, a quick Google on
> > > > > > > on 'average salary mid level manager' (no quotes) has its first hit as:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > <https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/mid-level-manager-salary-SRCH_KO0,17.htm>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > which indicates a National average salary of $65K per year, with a 10th
> > > > > > > percentile at $34K and a 90th percentile at $95K.

> > > > > > > ...

> > > > > >
> > > > > > Average since retirement $204k, and no corporate meetings and BS. :)
> > > > >
> > > > > How can it be $204k be your average if hh's numbers were about right?
> > > > >
> > > > > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/h48mmyD0_-I/hfUdxXQR56QJ
> > > >
> > > > First of all, those average numbers are not corrected for education. A PhD
> > > > in a business field is worth more than the average in the private sector.
> > > >
> > > > Using averages reveals just how little you know.
> > >
> > > What the heck are you talking about? None of that is discussed in the post above.
> > >
> > > > The numbers are for total family income, including the wife.
> > >
> > > Ha.

Tommy had already bragged about being in the top 10% (presumably due to his
PhD), where the cite above accounted for that: "...and a 90th percentile at $95K.",
so he's trying to double-dip on that too.

> > > > I was also in a big pharma company known for it's generous pay and
> > > > bonus programs. Post retirement, my little consulting company has
> > > > netted well over $1 million in 12 years, close to $100k per year before taxes.
> > >
> > > Yeah, you sure tried to make it aound like $204k above though.

And also a slight of hand: "...close to $100K..." means just shy of, else it would
have been written "...more than $100K...", which puts an upper limit on the post
retirement consultations at $1.2M over said 12 year period.

> > > > Paying both sides of FICA and Medicare has been a bummer though
> > > > on the net income.

IIRC, combined they're ~14% of Net...and similarly, State income taxes are
deductible on the Fed, so they offset.

> > > > It helps too that between us we now get 4 retirement checks
> > > > a month - 2 private and 2 SS.

Household again.

> > > > Then there are also the RMDs that kicked in this year for me on a 401K and 2 IRAs.

Which figuratively at your "starters" age are all of $3K each ;-) In any event, if
Social Security had just started that this year too, that'll be much more significant
for the median Joe Retiree ;-)

> > > > Looking back at the spreadsheet the number came from I found that I had not
> > > > updated the divisor in the average or my current 2016 estimate. It's actually 197k.
> > > >
> > > > Finally, the 204k average includes the 2003 retirement year. I left in February,
> > > > collecting only 2 months of salary. If you exclude 2003 and the bonus the
> > > > average is 178k. Then again, my autos are lasting 5-8 years now, not 3-4! I
> > > > was driving 25-35k miles a year with the commuting back and forth.
> > > >
> > > > No brag, just facts as best I know them.
> > >
> > > IP
> >
> > Huh? I was referring to the citation of averages for mid-level managers.
>
> Why would you do that rather than refer to the hh post I linked to? ;)
>
> > Want to see redacted W2s for a couple of years?
>
> No need you've clarified already.

Indeed...which is that it is always about bringing attention back to Tommy, lest
anyone else ever get any credit where credit is due. ;-)


-hh

[Thomas E.]

That was top 10% at the company, not the national average.

> > > > > I was also in a big pharma company known for it's generous pay and
> > > > > bonus programs. Post retirement, my little consulting company has
> > > > > netted well over $1 million in 12 years, close to $100k per year before taxes.
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, you sure tried to make it aound like $204k above though.
>
> And also a slight of hand: "...close to $100K..." means just shy of, else it would
> have been written "...more than $100K...", which puts an upper limit on the post
> retirement consultations at $1.2M over said 12 year period.
>

Close to can be either a little over or a little under

>
> > > > > Paying both sides of FICA and Medicare has been a bummer though
> > > > > on the net income.
>
> IIRC, combined they're ~14% of Net...and similarly, State income taxes are
> deductible on the Fed, so they offset.

Not for me in 2003. I also cashed in options and had a part time teaching gig. That drove gross income so high I lost almost all my deductions and all of my exemptions. So the 4.4% state/local rate did result in a net loss of after-tax income.

>
> > > > > It helps too that between us we now get 4 retirement checks
> > > > > a month - 2 private and 2 SS.
>
> Household again.
>
> > > > > Then there are also the RMDs that kicked in this year for me on a 401K and 2 IRAs.
>
> Which figuratively at your "starters" age are all of $3K each ;-) In any event, if
> Social Security had just started that this year too, that'll be much more significant
> for the median Joe Retiree ;-)

LOL. The total MRDs per your figure are bit low for the monthly check total this year. The good news is that 2016 investment gains to date have exceeded the total 2016 MRD requirement.

>
> > > > > Looking back at the spreadsheet the number came from I found that I had not
> > > > > updated the divisor in the average or my current 2016 estimate. It's actually 197k.
> > > > >
> > > > > Finally, the 204k average includes the 2003 retirement year. I left in February,
> > > > > collecting only 2 months of salary. If you exclude 2003 and the bonus the
> > > > > average is 178k. Then again, my autos are lasting 5-8 years now, not 3-4! I
> > > > > was driving 25-35k miles a year with the commuting back and forth.
> > > > >
> > > > > No brag, just facts as best I know them.
> > > >
> > > > IP
> > >
> > > Huh? I was referring to the citation of averages for mid-level managers.
> >
> > Why would you do that rather than refer to the hh post I linked to? ;)
> >
> > > Want to see redacted W2s for a couple of years?
> >
> > No need you've clarified already.
>
> Indeed...which is that it is always about bringing attention back to Tommy, lest
> anyone else ever get any credit where credit is due. ;-)
>
>

Jealous?

> -hh

[ed]

On Tuesday, August 23, 2016 at 8:20:53 AM UTC-7, Thomas E. wrote:
...

> > Indeed...which is that it is always about bringing attention back to Tommy, lest
> > anyone else ever get any credit where credit is due. ;-)
> >
> Jealous?

c'mon now tom. you're bragging about making close to 6 figures. based on hh's comments on travel and his pictures, and what he's posted on cars, once can reasonable guess that he likely is making a decent chunk more than you.

[-hh]

ed wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 23, 2016 at 8:20:53 AM UTC-7, Thomas E. wrote:

>> -hh wrote...

>> > Indeed...which is that it is always about bringing attention back to Tommy,
>> > lest anyone else ever get any credit where credit is due. ;-)
>> >
>> Jealous?
>
> c'mon now tom. you're bragging about making close to 6 figures. based on
> hh's comments on travel and his pictures, and what he's posted on cars,
> once can reasonable guess that he likely is making a decent chunk more than you.

But then it wouldn't be all about Tommy. /S

Oh, on travel, has there been any status change on that motorcycle trip you were
looking at doing a year or two ago?

-hh

[ed]

that specific trip was out (due to that other trip to the same region) and remains out as i haven't been able to figure out the logistics of a similar trip (the region isn't quite as stable as it was, and the line i had on logistical support / rental is gone. not like one can call up eaglerider and spg there. ;D ).

[-hh]

Bummer. I always was a bit concerned about the geopolitical situation there too.
FWIW, one of the things I found when researching Namibia is that it's apparently
a pretty popular place for independent travel - rent a car which has a "pop up"
(for lack of a better term) tent mounted on the car's roof racks to sleep 5ft above
the ground...lots of ad hoc freedom/flexibility and much less expensive per day
than a guided gig. FWIW, one can do a similar style trip in New Zealand as well;
had a coworker do this, oh probably 15 years ago now. Not a motorcycle, true,
but there might be some options for that too, since they have the independent
touring developed. Finally, I have a friend who's moved and now has his Honda
motorbike (an 800?) for sale in back home in northern Sweden...granted, it's only
one bike, but he's had it for sale long enough that the asking price should be getting
soft and his friends back in that area would probably know of others. IIRC, it's like
a 5-6 hours north of Stockholm by car/train, or a 2? hour flight...

-hh

[Thomas E.]

True, but my comments were directed to liarboy Baker.

OTOH, if he's so rich why is he spending so much time on CSMA???

[Alan Baker]

Who said I was rich?

[ed]

Strange that you said it in response to hh's comment then.

> OTOH, if he's so rich why is he spending so much time on CSMA???

He's never said he was rich, although he has posted a net worth figure. If you think that says he's rich, well, that probably says something about where you stand (especially combined with some of your other previous comments re if alan is so rich he could buy a plane, and you not owning one, etc).

[Alan Baker]

Nicely said...

:-)

[Thomas E.]

I could write a check tomorrow for a nice Cessna 4 or 6 place aircraft. I can also afford the upkeep. I'd just rather put my money elsewhere when I can get all the flying I want for almost nothing.

[Thomas E.]

I did not. I said if you are rich. So you admit you are financially unsuccessful?

[Alan Baker]

Is that what the construction you used usually means, Liarboy?
>

[Thomas E.]

That's a backhanded statement to the effect that you are financially unsuccessful. What are you good at?