DEREK SMART FORGES RACIST EMAIL!!! (BC3K)
DAKTARI!
Evil Avatar forum he posted a email supposedly received threatening him with
a racist attack;
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Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999
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As a veteran I would like to come to your house an have a talk with you
about your game....could you give you address please. My friend and I, the
vet you insulted and the KKK are always looking for fresh
meat.
---
Trainman50
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Derek Smart had posted this as proof that he is the subject of a physical
threat and that the Detractors are racist. He further went on to state that
it was always a "Black thing". Context of the message can be found at
http://www.evilavatar.com/ubb/Forum5/HTML/000117.html
However, this was not the first time that Derek had posted this email
"threat". On August 29, 1999 Derek posted the same message as proof that
his detractors were a threat to him
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Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 07:09:54 -0500
From: "Trainman50" <train...@mailcity.com>
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As a veteran I would like to come to your house an have a talk with you
about your game....could you give you address please
---
Trainman50
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This can be found at Dejanews at:
http://x31.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=518526152&CONTEXT=940555055.1516699719&hitn
um=7
There is a difference between the two. The second one, posted in August,
does not mention "My friend and I, the vet you insulted and the KKK are
always looking for fresh meat." This in it self is not an issue as they
could have been two seperate messages...... But if you compare the headers,
specifically "Content-Lenght", they are the same size.
Content-Length is a header line used by HTTP. It basically says "The text
of this message is exactly this long." When your computer reads this
message, and it sees the field "Content-Length" expressed in a decimal
number of octetss, in the header ... it just reads that many characters, and
no more.
This indicates that one of the messages has been tampered with. I decided
to do an experiment using both the messages.
I went and opened a Mailcity (where the message in question had originated)
email address and sent my self both of the messages in question....
I took the message that Derek Smart claims is the one that was sent to him.
This includes the KKK allegation and sent it to myself at my mindspring
address. After I received the message I checked the message properties and
did a screen shot of it (250K at 1024 x 768)
http://www.mindspring.com/~evconline/forger2.jpg
Notice that the Content count is 343. as opposed to the 248 in the one that
Derek claims was sent to him . The header in which the racist message
appeared indicated that the message was too larger for the header....
Then I removed the last sentence in the body of the message and sent it
again to myself. (250K at 1024 x 768)
http://www.mindspring.com/~evconline/forger1.jpg
In this version I got the content count down to 253. Maybe there are a
couple of additional spaces in the message, but is much closer to what the
Header of the original message was said to have. It is possible that there
are additional spaces or "pads" in the message, but the content size is much
closer to this message.
It would appear that the message that does not mention the KKK is the
correct and un doctored message. Derek has forged the first one to create a
perception of a threat.
This is a new low for Derek. In an attempt to play the "race" card he has
manufactured evidence. But he has also failed to take into account that
someone might notice such a "rookie" trick.
Derek Smart, PHorger, Phraud
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DAKTARI!
histo...@hotmail.com
duke
Warbler
to obsess about this guy? Or is there some deep-seated hatred that drives
your obsession, some offensive character flaw shared by all bullies? The
effort you devote to this little crusade of yours should encourage you to
pause and think about your motives, your real motives. There is something
sad and complex in that dark receptacle between your ears, and it has
nothing to do with Derek Smart, let me assure you.
DAKTARI! wrote in message <7utusn$ud9$1...@nntp8.atl.mindspring.net>...
Brad Martin
wrote:
>What is wrong with you? Are you so utterly devoid of purpose that you need
>to obsess about this guy? Or is there some deep-seated hatred that drives
>your obsession, some offensive character flaw shared by all bullies? The
>effort you devote to this little crusade of yours should encourage you to
>pause and think about your motives, your real motives. There is something
>sad and complex in that dark receptacle between your ears, and it has
>nothing to do with Derek Smart, let me assure you.
Pathetic.
*If* Daktari's claims are proven, then appending racist vitriole to a
message in order to defame the original poster is a totally cowardly
and insidious step. You seem to be saying that this is of no
importance and should be ignored. how about if *you* sent a message
and someone appended those comments and then posted it up here? Would
you just tell everyone to forget about it? Call anybody who questioned
it a bully?
Absolutely pathetic.
brad
DAKTARI!
Brad Martin <br...@zakalwe.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3812f3d...@news.demon.co.uk...
Maybe if it was insinuated that he was in some way associated the Klan or a
hate crime then he might take more than a passing interest.....
--
DAKTARI!
histo...@hotmail.com
Warbler
Need I say more? Saying "If it's proven true" implies you're condemning an
act on assumption of guilt. I agree that Smart's acts would be deplorable
if true, but this is a newsgroup, not the New York Times. Don't you have
something more meaningful to fill your time? How old is Daktari anyway,
that might explain it.
DAKTARI!
Warbler <nos...@nowhere.ca> wrote in message
news:xmDQ3.27$p_5....@wagner.videotron.net...
37
Former Army Ranger, 2/75 Ranger Bn
Combat Veteran of Operation Just Cause 1989
Graduate of the University of Maryland
Graduate Student at Augusta State University
Defending myself against inferrence that I am a member of the Klan or would
participate in a Hate crime, is in it self meanful to me.....
--
DAKTARI!
histo...@hotmail.com
Warbler
perception of you. I'll take what you say a little more seriously, seeing
that you're not a nut after all :-)
DAKTARI! wrote in message <7uv001$nen$1...@nntp8.atl.mindspring.net>...
Derek Smart
>Who cares; get a real hobby
That jackass keeps creating *new* threads about the *same* subject
because he is trying to *dodge* the bullets levied in the real
threads. So, here's Dan's synopsis again from two threads. Like I
said, Daktari keeps creating new threads about this. But now that I
have these posts in my clipboard, I'm just going to keep posting them
in every thread he creates.
The fact remains, I did *not* docter *any* post. Period. He is trying,
without *any* success, to prove that I did, while at the same time
ignoring threats levied against me by Trainman50 in the *same* post
(even if you ignored the KKK excerpt).
=============================
You were full of it. You posted "proof" that Derek had forged the
email and then informed everyone that you had proven that Derek
was a forger. The problem was that you proof was totally
incorrect. Bogus form the word go. You used pathetic methodology
and manipulated things to get a result you could publish as
"proof."
Then your sad sack buds bought your proof without question and
repeated this incontrovertable proof that you had provided. YOU
WERE WRONG.
What is incredibly amazing is that you are not fazed one bit. You
do not acknowledge that you should not have posted your proof,
that it was terribly in error and that your buds were wrong to
have bought into your proof at face value.
Now you perform additional "experiments" hoping to hit on
something that you can claim as your next "proof." Why you can't
believe that Trainman50, a noted conservative "thinker" on other
boards, who has posted such things here as:
"No wonder Derek laughed...Hitler killed a lot of GI's"
"nobody would but their real names in here because you would
probably want them killed...like you do the military"
"it won't change the fact that Derek is against the military and
would probably kill them if he could..."
"we have to remember Derek wants GI's dead...."
"we have got to stop allowing This jerk using this ng for this
crap"
And let us not forget his rather prophetic:
***"It is now time to take Derek out"***
That frankly sounds pretty consistant with a guy who might send a
note about his KKK buddies to Derek. Why you are so hell-bent to
invent "proofs" that Derek doctored the email when Trainman50 is
quite a nutcase and has encouraged taking Derek out while caliming
Derek wants to kill all GIs, well, you are over the edge howie.
Well over the edge. Why you can't fathom Trainman50 as having
written what was posted, why you ignore that Trainman50 can't
"find" the original he sent, why you move from one busted "proof"
to another without skipping a beat, well, you are becoming quite
the pathetic character, howie.
You have admitted you hate Derek. I'm afraid you are so lost in
your hatred that you are consumed to the point of manufacturing
proof, whatever the cost.
*You* are the piece of work, howie. Defending your earlier
"proof" with snide comments and flames until it was even too
obvious to you that you had been busted. Now you turn your back
on that "proof of the day" without batting an eye and invent a new
one.
Don't worry, your buds will buy into whatever "proof" you want to
provide, just as long as they can "me too" an insult against
Derek. You guys are pathetic.
==============================
Allan, which "proof" do you believe? howie's or pat's? They are
distinctly different and both cannot be true. both, however,
could be wrong. While I've not taken too close a look at Pat's,
howie's appears to be laced with inconsistancy and bullshit. I
especially liked the part where he used Word97 to analyze the
character count, subtract the contested sentence and *then*
analyzed the character count with a *different* method. Seems to
be pretty suspect science, don't you think? Did you buy into
howie's proof without critically reviewing it?
Here's a brief synopsis. Howie says he copied the post complete
into MSWord97 and got a character count of 274. I get 274 not
counting spaces. Ok so far.
howie then deletes "My friend and I, the vet you insulted and the
KKK are always looking for
fresh meat." howie, for some bizarre reason does *not* then use
Word97 to analyze the resultant character count. Why? Hmmm. If
he would have, the character count would be (no spaces to be
consistant) 206. Not 248, but 206. *That* is why he didn't use
Word97. So he switches horses in mid stream. *Very* poor
methodology, you'd agree? That by itself should fire up warning
bells for everyone. Instead, you all congratulate howie on his
magnificient expose. What does that say about those who believed
howie without question? Frankly, it says busines as usual.
Now tell me, Allan, how is howie's analysis a valid proof if he
uses Word to establish the original chracter count, but then
avaiods Word after the removal of the sentence he says was forged.
How, Allan? You seem to be as sensible as anyone, how is this a
valid proof? Was it becasue he produced the absurd M=1, Y=3, etc
followup, or because he said...
|Total number of Characters = 22 (character type)
| Spaces = 14
| Total count character and spaces =26
| Diference between "Derek Version" (tm) and the original version,
|That is to
| say "274-248= 26"
Last time I checked 22+14=36, not 26. Unfortunately that would
shoot down howie's proof that 274-248=26 is somehow relevant.
What math is howie using here to convince you of his proof?
What is the proof, Allan? Why do you believe howie's proof?
Surprise me here and agree with me, allan Call howie on his
baloney.
Dan
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Apart from that, they are trying to shroud Huffman's obssession and
his attempts are real life stalking. So, without further ado.
==============================
Just letting everyone know that on Monday morning, as per my attorneys
instructions, I will be filing a criminal complaint against Bill
Huffman based on the strength of the authenticated email in which he
was inciting a minor (who has his own criminal complaint filed) who I
had reported to the police, to come to my home.
Seeing that I do not know the extent of Huffman's off-Usenet
activities and which other detractors he is plotting with in real
life, my complain details his actions since '96, includes a copy of my
attorney's legal brief (proof of a lawsuit being filed against him for
civil crimes) , a reference to the complaint filed against Louis (for
which the FBI and local authorities were involved which resulted in
them going to Louis' house), the threads from EA as well as emails he
sent to online ezines. Trainman50's email, though I had ignored it in
the past, is yet another proof of a real life threat which presents a
clear and present danger to my life.
For the first time since this whole thing started, I am in fear of my
life and that of my pregnant fiance as well as the security of my home
and office. Next week, a representative will be contacting NCR and San
Diego police dept with my complaint and deposition.
This, has gone too far. I am putting this in a public forum for
obvious reasons. Huffman has my address and I do not have any form of
security around my home, other than a gate, front door and gated
garages.
On Monday when I leave the police station, I'm going to apply for a
gun permit and buying a firearm thereafter, for my protection.
Let we forget, here are the emails again.
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Louis,
So how the hell are you? Do you have some wheels yets?
You were the detractor's Ace-in-the-hole living so close to Mr.
Smart. It could have been such a perfect arrangement. Oh well,
another lost opportunity. -) BTW have you ever been by Derek's house
to see what it looks like?
I don't think I ever got your CCola.gif. As a matter of fact, I still
haven't gotten it. The attachment was just a couple of squiggely rows
of pixels. It must have gotten munched somehow? I could use some more
pictures on the web site. I really liked the one you did were the
Supreme Commander is a dick! I laughed hard. Unfortunately the cum on
the girls cheek made me decide I better not use it.
Regards,
Bill
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To: dsm...@pobox.com
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999
From: "Trainman50" <censored>
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As a veteran I would like to come to your house an have a talk with
you about your game....could you give you address please. My friend
and I, the vet you insulted and the KKK are always looking for fresh
meat.
---
Trainman50
Get your FREE Email at http://mailcity.lycos.com
Get your PERSONALIZED START PAGE at http://my.lycos.com
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Derek Smart, Ph.D.
Designer/Lead Developer
The Battlecruiser Series
www.3000ad.com
"It's not everyone telling me it can't be done that bothers me.
It's them interrupting me while I'm doing it!"
DAKTARI!
> Seeing your age and mini-biography, I'll admit that I had a different
> perception of you. I'll take what you say a little more seriously, seeing
> that you're not a nut after all :-)
nO.....i'M NUTS.........mY wIfe kEEPS mE INFORmeD......
--
DAKTARI!
histo...@hotmail.com
Derek Smart
Martin) wrote:
>Pathetic.
>*If* Daktari's claims are proven, then appending racist vitriole to a
>message in order to defame the original poster is a totally cowardly
>and insidious step. You seem to be saying that this is of no
>importance and should be ignored. how about if *you* sent a message
>and someone appended those comments and then posted it up here? Would
>you just tell everyone to forget about it? Call anybody who questioned
>it a bully?
>Absolutely pathetic.
>
>
>brad
I have to agree with Brad. However, the fact remains, I did *not*
doctor the post and since that time, Trainman50 has (a) not posted in
his defense (b) has failed to produce *his* original email which he
claims to have (c) Daktari has screwed up more than once in his
attempts to *manufacture* proof that I doctored the post.
Doctoring a post is, yes, despicable. However, how many times have
some detractors not posted here and altered their aliases to make it
look as if I was the poster when in fact, I wasn't? Somehow, everyone
seems to have conveniently forgotten that, in much the same way every
other act gets swept under the rug.
DAKTARI!
Derek Smart <dsm...@pobox.com> wrote in message
news:38180685...@news.mindspring.com...
> On Sun, 24 Oct 1999 03:46:00 GMT, nexu...@hotmail.coom ( duke) wrote:
>
> >Who cares; get a real hobby
>
> That jackass keeps creating *new* threads about the *same* subject
> because he is trying to *dodge* the bullets levied in the real
> threads. So, here's Dan's synopsis again from two threads. Like I
> said, Daktari keeps creating new threads about this. But now that I
> have these posts in my clipboard, I'm just going to keep posting them
> in every thread he creates.
>
> The fact remains, I did *not* docter *any* post. Period. He is trying,
> without *any* success, to prove that I did, while at the same time
> ignoring threats levied against me by Trainman50 in the *same* post
> (even if you ignored the KKK excerpt).
>
> =============================
Looks like Derek is desperate....He is using Dan post as a defense.......
--
DAKTARI!
histo...@hotmail.com
DAKTARI!
> On Sun, 24 Oct 1999 12:01:49 GMT, br...@zakalwe.demon.co.uk (Brad
> Martin) wrote:
>
>
> >Pathetic.
> >*If* Daktari's claims are proven, then appending racist vitriole to a
> >message in order to defame the original poster is a totally cowardly
> >and insidious step. You seem to be saying that this is of no
> >importance and should be ignored. how about if *you* sent a message
> >and someone appended those comments and then posted it up here? Would
> >you just tell everyone to forget about it? Call anybody who questioned
> >it a bully?
> >Absolutely pathetic.
> >
> >
> >brad
>
> I have to agree with Brad. However, the fact remains, I did *not*
> doctor the post and since that time, Trainman50 has (a) not posted in
> his defense (b) has failed to produce *his* original email which he
> claims to have (c) Daktari has screwed up more than once in his
> attempts to *manufacture* proof that I doctored the post.
>
I'm the first to admit that my atempt at devining the mysteries of the Email
header were.....well Dumb. I should have reached for the reference material
FIRST. Now that I have access to and understand RFC 2068, Specifically
section 14 which covers Header Field Definition and 14.14 which goes into
detail about Content-length.....
It was Forged!!!
--
DAKTARI!
histo...@hotmail.com
Patrick Muller
Brad Martin wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Oct 1999 02:02:02 -0400, "Warbler" <nos...@nowhere.ca>
> wrote:
>
> >What is wrong with you? Are you so utterly devoid of purpose that you need
> >to obsess about this guy? Or is there some deep-seated hatred that drives
> >your obsession, some offensive character flaw shared by all bullies? The
> >effort you devote to this little crusade of yours should encourage you to
> >pause and think about your motives, your real motives. There is something
> >sad and complex in that dark receptacle between your ears, and it has
> >nothing to do with Derek Smart, let me assure you.
>
> Pathetic.
> *If* Daktari's claims are proven, then appending racist vitriole to a
> message in order to defame the original poster is a totally cowardly
> and insidious step.
Well, it has become clear that once again like most other 'claims', Derek is
already guilty of this as far as the common detractor is concerned (quelle
surprise) and the ball is tactically laid in his court once again. Now the
detractors can sit back once again and have their party . I predict that the
very same post that will disprove this theory will be conveniente used as
stepping stone for the next ludricous thread / claim / charge / flame / troll /
taunt / gloat (take your p(r)ick...))
> You seem to be saying that this is of no
> importance and should be ignored. how about if *you* sent a message
> and someone appended those comments and then posted it up here? Would
> you just tell everyone to forget about it? Call anybody who questioned
> it a bully? Absolutely pathetic.
See what I mean. This guy is just an inch away from totally convinced. Based on
what...?
Right, who cares....
-Patrick
--
"Luck is merely the meeting of preparedness and opportunity"
Patrick Muller
> How old is Daktari anyway, > that might explain it.
>
> 37
> Former Army Ranger, 2/75 Ranger Bn
> Combat Veteran of Operation Just Cause 1989
> Graduate of the University of Maryland
> Graduate Student at Augusta State University
1999 Certified usenet cook
> Defending myself against inferrence that I am a member of the Klan or would
> participate in a Hate crime, is in it self meanful to me.....
How odd.
You seem to have less of a problem when calling other people the most despicable
things or sneering at every post with your jealous remarks, finger pointing,
and total off-base techno-bable about screenshots, etc.
Playing Sherlock Holmes on a couple of posts is a strange way to defend yourself
against these claims;
(You could have just said that the post was not yours and that you never said
that and be done with it, but no
another opportunity to cast blame on Derek the Antichrist).
The reasons behind this can only be that you're not really that confident about
how you are perceived in this NG (how odd!). This makes sense as your track
record here does not exactly plead for you..
I wish you where a member of the Klan, your years of posting anti-Derek crap
daily basis would make a lot more sense..
Patrick Muller
"DAKTARI!" wrote:
> > The fact remains, I did *not* docter *any* post. Period. He is trying,
> > without *any* success, to prove that I did, while at the same time
> > ignoring threats levied against me by Trainman50 in the *same* post
> > (even if you ignored the KKK excerpt).
> >
> > =============================
>
> Looks like Derek is desperate....He is using Dan post as a defense.......
Who's desperate!?
LOL !
I guess that would be the one that goes out of his way to disprove the same
claim 5 times a day...
I guess that would be the one that goes out of his way to follow Derek his
every post across the net..
I guess that would be the one that goes out of his way to create new whining
threats daily on the subject..
I guess that would be the one that goes out of his way to dissect the alleged
post in order to prove is is doctored with...
I guess that would be the one that goes out of his way to post details &
screenshots of his investigation on a website..
....I guess that would be a mentally disabled Usenet veteran..
- Patrick (I guess that would be me)
--
"I guess luck is merely the meeting of preparedness and opportunity"
Gregor
>Defending myself against inferrence that I am a member of the Klan or would
>participate in a Hate crime, is in it self meanful to me.....
This is why it's so hard for me as a misanthropist. No matter who I
waste, it's a Hate crime.......
<s> for the humor-impaired
DAKTARI!
Patrick Muller <p.mu...@fenomedia.nl> wrote in message
news:3813123D...@fenomedia.nl...
> "DAKTARI!" wrote:
>
> > It was Forged!!!
>
> Does the header also tell you WHO forged it or was Derek just an easy
target ?
>
> Once again you conveniently leave out important facts that could prove the
REAL
> allegation
> that you where so quick to make. Detractor logic at it's best.
>
>
> -Patrick
Well,
On 29 August, Derek posted the "short" version. A couple of days ago, He
post the "long" version. Maybe it was his mother, Girlfriend, Pedigree
cat........
--
DAKTARI!
histo...@hotmail.com
Patrick Muller
> It was Forged!!!
Does the header also tell you WHO forged it or was Derek just an easy target ?
Once again you conveniently leave out important facts that could prove the REAL
allegation
that you where so quick to make. Detractor logic at it's best.
-Patrick
--
"Luck is merely the meeting of preparedness and opportunity"
Riboflavin
>"DAKTARI!" wrote:
>> 37
>> Former Army Ranger, 2/75 Ranger Bn
>> Combat Veteran of Operation Just Cause 1989
>> Graduate of the University of Maryland
>> Graduate Student at Augusta State University
> 1999 Certified usenet cook
>
where did you get certified? I'd really like to try that, I've never heard
of Usenet cooking before.
--
Kevin Allegood ribotr...@mindspring.pants.com
Remove the pants from my email address to reply
"I am convinced people who worry about spelling and punctuation
on the net fold their underwear before they have sex. It's just got to be."
- Bunboy
DAKTARI!
Riboflavin <ri...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:7uv4tp$l70$1...@nntp2.atl.mindspring.net...
> Patrick Muller wrote in message <38130E9C...@fenomedia.nl>...
> >"DAKTARI!" wrote:
> >> 37
> >> Former Army Ranger, 2/75 Ranger Bn
> >> Combat Veteran of Operation Just Cause 1989
> >> Graduate of the University of Maryland
> >> Graduate Student at Augusta State University
> > 1999 Certified usenet cook
> >
> Mmmmm... sounds tasty! So DAKTAR, how does one go about cooking usenet,
and
> where did you get certified? I'd really like to try that, I've never heard
> of Usenet cooking before.
The Sorbone, in the information resource management department.........
--
DAKTARI!
histo...@hotmail.com
Trainman50
bibles in any court of law any where..I DID NOT SEND THAT MSG WITH KKK IN
IT..I would never use KKK...they are the most cowardly group in the
world...and if you notice never in any of my e-mails did I ever use RACE
Trainman50
Derek Smart <dsm...@pobox.com> wrote in message
news:38180685...@news.mindspring.com...
jackyo
Trainman50 wrote in message
>Every one of those other msg"s I did send...but I will swear on any Stack
of
>bibles in any court of law any where..I DID NOT SEND THAT MSG WITH KKK IN
>IT..I would never use KKK...they are the most cowardly group in the
>world...and if you notice never in any of my e-mails did I ever use RACE
>
Well, how about it Derek? Do you call Trainman a liar?
Brad Martin
<p.mu...@fenomedia.nl> wrote:
>
>
>Brad Martin wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 24 Oct 1999 02:02:02 -0400, "Warbler" <nos...@nowhere.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >What is wrong with you? Are you so utterly devoid of purpose that you need
>> >to obsess about this guy? Or is there some deep-seated hatred that drives
>> >your obsession, some offensive character flaw shared by all bullies? The
>> >effort you devote to this little crusade of yours should encourage you to
>> >pause and think about your motives, your real motives. There is something
>> >sad and complex in that dark receptacle between your ears, and it has
>> >nothing to do with Derek Smart, let me assure you.
>>
>> Pathetic.
>> *If* Daktari's claims are proven, then appending racist vitriole to a
>> message in order to defame the original poster is a totally cowardly
>> and insidious step.
>
>Well, it has become clear that once again like most other 'claims', Derek is
>already guilty of this as far as the common detractor is concerned (quelle
>surprise) and the ball is tactically laid in his court once again. Now the
>detractors can sit back once again and have their party . I predict that the
>very same post that will disprove this theory will be conveniente used as
>stepping stone for the next ludricous thread / claim / charge / flame / troll /
>taunt / gloat (take your p(r)ick...))
I won't speak for anyone else, but for myself, I do not assume guilt
without concrete proof.
>
>> You seem to be saying that this is of no
>> importance and should be ignored. how about if *you* sent a message
>> and someone appended those comments and then posted it up here? Would
>> you just tell everyone to forget about it? Call anybody who questioned
>> it a bully? Absolutely pathetic.
>
>See what I mean. This guy is just an inch away from totally convinced. Based on
>what...?
>
>Right, who cares....
>
>-Patrick
Patrick, could you please re-read my post with a more objective
attitude. I said 'if' and I even emphasized the 'if' to show that I
have not pre-judged the issue. My annoyance was with this idiots
assumption that because this matter is centered on Derek it should be
ignored. Derek comes in for a lot of flak-some of it deserved and some
not in my own view-but that is *not* a good enough reason to treat
this accusation as irrelevant. For me, baseless accusations of racism
are anathema, racism is anathema, I cannot tolerate bigotry based on
skin colour, it cuts to the core of the ignorance, immaturity and
tribalism that humanity carries as dark age luggage. To accuse
somebody of racism is in my view is an extremely serious issue, and
all efforts should be made to get to the truth of such an accusation.
Derek, to his credit, has agreed with my thoughts in a post in this
thread. He at least has seen that my sentiment was expressed because
of a desire to see the issue resolved rather than ignored. I could
have course have added in the post that if Derek did receive such
threats then he would have every right to seek justice for such a
slander, but as you well know, it is not practical to cover every
condition and variable in every post just to satisfy all possible
interpretations, you don't do it, why should I be expected to. I have
in the past given you some stick Patrick, so I have no problem with
you giving it back to me, but an issue like this should at least be
above point scoring.
brad
jackyo
Brad Martin wrote in message <381453b1...@news.demon.co.uk>...
so I have no problem with
>you giving it back to me, but an issue like this should at least be
>above point scoring.
>
>
>
>brad
Nice post
DAKTARI!
Trainman50 <Train...@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:%wFQ3.14530$lK.2...@news2.mia...
> Every one of those other msg"s I did send...but I will swear on any Stack
of
> bibles in any court of law any where..I DID NOT SEND THAT MSG WITH KKK IN
> IT..I would never use KKK...they are the most cowardly group in the
> world...and if you notice never in any of my e-mails did I ever use RACE
>
> Trainman50
Let me take this moment and apologize to you for jumping on you about this
message. It was completely Knee jerk and I was clearly wrong. It is now
been shown that Derek Modified the message to suit his latest tactic....
--
DAKTARI!
histo...@hotmail.com
Dan
news:7uv17p$kbt$1...@nntp6.atl.mindspring.net...
| >
| > >Who cares; get a real hobby
| >
| > That jackass keeps creating *new* threads about the *same*
subject
| > because he is trying to *dodge* the bullets levied in the real
| > threads. So, here's Dan's synopsis again from two threads.
Like I
| > said, Daktari keeps creating new threads about this. But now
that I
| > have these posts in my clipboard, I'm just going to keep
posting them
| > in every thread he creates.
| >
| > The fact remains, I did *not* docter *any* post. Period. He is
trying,
| > without *any* success, to prove that I did, while at the same
time
| > ignoring threats levied against me by Trainman50 in the *same*
post
| > (even if you ignored the KKK excerpt).
| >
| > =============================
|
|
defense.......
"Dan's post" was completely on the mark, you sad little man. You
do not respond to it because you have no defense. The truth
hurts, howie, and you look like shit for it.
Dan Brooks
ICQ #50021451
dabr...@garbageswbell.net remove the garbage to mail me
**************************************************
Website Coming Soon!
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Dan
any Stack of
| bibles in any court of law any where..I DID NOT SEND THAT MSG
WITH KKK IN
| IT..I would never use KKK...they are the most cowardly group in
the
| world...and if you notice never in any of my e-mails did I ever
use RACE
Where's the original peice of email? "Lost" it?
Why did you send Derek the email at all? Even without the KKK
reference it is without a doubt meant to threaten. But your buds
ignore that.
Why did you post another threat, this one on the newsgroup saying
it was "time to take Derek out"?
Did you mean what you wrote, or are you a coward trying to
threaten behind the cover of Trainman50 and were just getting some
sick jollies from pretending to be a psycho veteran with a friend
willing to visit Derek and teach him a lesson? Why did you
hyperbolize with obvious lies saying Derek wanted all GIs dead?
Were you trying to incite some vet even sicker than yourself into
taking action? Is that why you posted it was time to "take Derek
out"?
Frankly, whether you included the KKK in your post or not is
pretty incidental to the *fact* that you threatened Derek via
email and on the newsgroups. You would still be commiting a
crime, whether racist is a part of your bag or not.
I suggest you very carefully extricate yourself from this. You
might even consider a public apology for your threats, though i
have no idea how Derek woul;d respond. You have already left way
too much evidence that can get you into deep shit. Your move.
| Trainman50
| Derek Smart <dsm...@pobox.com> wrote in message
| news:38180685...@news.mindspring.com...
| > On Sun, 24 Oct 1999 03:46:00 GMT, nexu...@hotmail.coom
Dan
news:7uvdec$3je$1...@nntp5.atl.mindspring.net...
|
| Trainman50 wrote in message
| >Every one of those other msg"s I did send...but I will swear on
any Stack
| of
| >bibles in any court of law any where..I DID NOT SEND THAT MSG
WITH KKK IN
| >IT..I would never use KKK...they are the most cowardly group in
the
| >world...and if you notice never in any of my e-mails did I ever
use RACE
| >
|
|
Aside from whether Trainman50 is a racist or not, he clearly
threatened Derek via email and on the newsgroups.
I don't doubt you will, in your new "no holds barred" mode,
dismiss the following facts:
Trainman50 posted multiple times to the effect that Derek wanted
all GIs dead, Derek was happy that Hitler killed GI's, etc. Not
one of you objected to his posts.
Trainman50 posted on the newsgroup that it was "time to take Derek
out" and another time that something needed to be done about
Derek. Not one of you objected to his posts.
Trainman50, irregardless of whether KKK was included, sent email
to Derek that can only be taken as a personal threat. As a "vet"
he and a friend wanted to come over to Derek's to discuss "the
game." Trainman50 has posted unequivocally what he thinks of
Derek's game, only an idiot would pretend that Trainman50 really
wanted to come over to Derek's to talk about BC3K. It was meant
as a threat, plain and simple. Not one of you have expressed a
concern about that.
If you chose to justify that or ignore the implications of email
and ng threats, given the context of a "vet" who has posted
inciteful and exaggerated crap about Derek wanting all GIs dead,
well, Jackyo, your new no holds barred mode has turned you into a
shell of a man.
Very, very, sad. I suggest you take a step back and reevaluate
the new improved Jackyo.
Dan
<Quat...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:8b4TOE4Gs3pnVK=YLwieI...@4ax.com...
| On Sun, 24 Oct 1999 20:51:20 -0500, "Dan" <dabr...@swbell.net>
wrote:
|
| >DAKTARI! <noneyo...@mindpsring.com> wrote in message
| >news:7uv17p$kbt$1...@nntp6.atl.mindspring.net...
| >|
| >defense.......
| >
| >"Dan's post" was completely on the mark, you sad little man.
You
| >do not respond to it because you have no defense. The truth
| >hurts, howie, and you look like shit for it.
| >
| >Dan Brooks
|
certainly
| do seem to strongly suggest that Derek did, indeed, forge this
e-mail.
So did his first "proof." In fact, several hailed it as the
gospel, didn't they? In fact, his first proof was bullshit,
wasn't it? In fact he still doesn't have what it should take to
make such serious accusations.
| Without personal attacks, Dan, can you refrute all the points
that
| have been made? That would of course include the fact that,
despite
| Derek's statement that he accidentally clipped the end of the
mail in
| question, Trainman's signature was still present. Seriously, can
you
| factually refute all the points in question?
I take a look at the screenshots of Trainman50's mail in Derek's
Eudora Pro inbox and wonder how that mail as it is displayed could
be forged. Given that this piece of mail is the root cause of the
consternation I think it necessary for someone to show how this
shot could show a forged piece of mail. Can you explain how that
screenshot exists, complete with expanded headers and text?
Can you explain why *everyone* has given Trainman50 a pass despite
his email threat against Derek (leave the KKK stuff out of it if
you want). Why Trainman's lies about Derek wanting to kill all
GIs was ignored and why you find it hard to believe that
Trainman50 would include the KKK in his post given that Traiman50
posted on the newsgroup that it was "time to take Derek out"?
That post, from a vet, has definite connotations. But everyone
avoids it, and refuses to consider Trainman50's record of
psychotic and threatening behavior.
I've not spent one second yet looking at the RFC or whatever it
was that howie referenced. As I have already shown, howie's
methods and motives are transparent, and you guys are quick to
mistakenly applaud his proofs without any critical thought of your
own. I'll let you guys play with all of this. Derek says he's
filing a complaint tomorrow. I'll sit tight for awhile knowing
howie has made his "proofs" up before and that he will avoid any
other explanation that doesn't suit his needs. I'll also sit
tight knowing that you guys will avoid Derek's screenshots, or at
best make up some "maybes" about how it was done.
How about *you* reproducing what Derek has shown and explaining it
as a forgery?
The Reverend
> On Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:00:03 -0500, "Dan" <dabr...@swbell.net> wrote:
>
> >I suggest you very carefully extricate yourself from this. You
> >might even consider a public apology for your threats, though i
> >have no idea how Derek woul;d respond. You have already left way
> >too much evidence that can get you into deep shit. Your move.
>
> they'll find out who he is.--------------------------------------------------------------------
Haaaa.... here we go again. Derek is on his soapbox banging is pots
together and yelling "LOOK AT ME". I see you're still up to your "I going
to tell on you" line still. Do we still have the FBI/DA/Mindspring Dream
Team thing going? Nothing changes for some people, but I guess the world
need a victim and your playing that role very well. Go file your little
complaints and see what really happens. I can say that a big fat nothing is
what going to happen.
As for sending hate mail to your self.... Now I don't know if this
is true or not, but if it is.... That just sick! That almost right up there
with someone hurting themselves to get attention. I wouldn't put it past
you thought.
One last thing before I close. Its nice to see that you finally
told to truth about your bullshit Ph.D, even thought you still put it into
you signature line.
The Reverend
The_Good...@HotMail.com
"Entia non muliplicanda praeter necessitatem."
Occam's Razor
Patrick Muller
Brad Martin wrote:
..and I said an inch away, based on that 'if'. The fact that you would bother to ask
this hypothetical question, indicates to me that you are already very receptive to
the idea that forgery could have been committed by Derek..
That's just the way it came across, to me. Although I used your remarks as an
example of what I was trying to communicate a few lines up, it was not meant as a
flame.
> My annoyance was with this idiots
> assumption that because this matter is centered on Derek it should be
> ignored. Derek comes in for a lot of flak-some of it deserved and some
> not in my own view-but that is *not* a good enough reason to treat
> this accusation as irrelevant. For me, baseless accusations of racism
> are anathema, racism is anathema, I cannot tolerate bigotry based on
> skin colour, it cuts to the core of the ignorance, immaturity and
> tribalism that humanity carries as dark age luggage.
Tribalism is as alive now as it was back then. You just have to know where to
look....
> To accuse
> somebody of racism is in my view is an extremely serious issue, and
> all efforts should be made to get to the truth of such an accusation.
> Derek, to his credit, has agreed with my thoughts in a post in this
> thread. He at least has seen that my sentiment was expressed because
> of a desire to see the issue resolved rather than ignored.
Just my two cents:
While the major players flame each other back and fort on this issue, someone else
is laughing his ass off and it ain't Derek, Daktari or this trainman character. But
I would be surprised if it was a total outsider.
> I could
> have course have added in the post that if Derek did receive such
> threats then he would have every right to seek justice for such a
> slander, but as you well know, it is not practical to cover every
> condition and variable in every post just to satisfy all possible
> interpretations, you don't do it, why should I be expected to.
Ok, ok calm down already.
> I have
> in the past given you some stick Patrick, so I have no problem with
> you giving it back to me, but an issue like this should at least be
> above point scoring.
I repent, i guess... 'cause I wasn't aware that I was giving you 'stick' with my
reply Brad.
not much anyway...
really...
just a wee little sticky....
more like a twig...
oh, don't look at me with those puppy eyes...
oh God! not the puppy eyes again!!
Derek Smart
wrote:
>Brad Martin wrote in message <3812f3d...@news.demon.co.uk>...
>>On Sun, 24 Oct 1999 02:02:02 -0400, "Warbler" <nos...@nowhere.ca>
>>wrote:
>>
>>*If* Daktari's claims are proven
>
>Need I say more? Saying "If it's proven true" implies you're condemning an
>act on assumption of guilt. I agree that Smart's acts would be deplorable
>if true, but this is a newsgroup, not the New York Times. Don't you have
>something more meaningful to fill your time? How old is Daktari anyway,
>that might explain it.
He's old enough but the fact that he parks his ass at home pulling
disability (paid for by my hard earned dollars) just explains his
pitiful existence. His name is Howard King, anyone seen his DD214
and/or med recs yet? No? Ask him for a scanned copy.
Derek Smart, Ph.D.
Designer/Lead Developer
The Battlecruiser Series
www.3000ad.com
"It's not everyone telling me it can't be done that bothers me.
Derek Smart
wrote:
>Seeing your age and mini-biography, I'll admit that I had a different
>perception of you. I'll take what you say a little more seriously, seeing
>that you're not a nut after all :-)
Being an ex-army Ranger doesn't make him shit. You don't have to be
ex-anything to be a total ass. How many ex-Rangers do u see here with
this pitiful activities? Heck, the cook in the kitchen who served food
you couldn't feed to your cat can be an ex-Ranger. Big fucking deal.
Derek Smart
<p.mu...@fenomedia.nl> wrote:
>I wish you where a member of the Klan, your years of posting anti-Derek crap
>daily basis would make a lot more sense..
He' s probably in the closet? Can't wait for that coming out bash.
LOL!
Allan Parent
>
> On Sun, 24 Oct 1999 09:19:49 -0400, "Warbler" <nos...@nowhere.ca>
> wrote:
>
> >Seeing your age and mini-biography, I'll admit that I had a different
> >perception of you. I'll take what you say a little more seriously, seeing
> >that you're not a nut after all :-)
>
> Being an ex-army Ranger doesn't make him shit. You don't have to be
> ex-anything to be a total ass. How many ex-Rangers do u see here with
> this pitiful activities? Heck, the cook in the kitchen who served food
> you couldn't feed to your cat can be an ex-Ranger. Big fucking deal.
Gee, I hope you never go into a bar with a bunch of ex-rangers and say
that. YOU would then be turned into cat food.
Allan
nobr...@unleesrjed.clampet
wrote:
>On Sun, 24 Oct 1999 15:50:20 +0200, Patrick Muller
><p.mu...@fenomedia.nl> wrote:
>
>
>>I wish you where a member of the Klan, your years of posting anti-Derek crap
>>daily basis would make a lot more sense..
>
>
>Derek Smart, Ph.D.
>Designer/Lead Developer
>The Battlecruiser Series
>www.3000ad.com
>
>"It's not everyone telling me it can't be done that bothers me.
>It's them interrupting me while I'm doing it!"
We had a bunch of Klan sheet boys in NYC this Saturday. They
petitioned all the way to the US supreme court to demonstrate. They
had 18 inbred klan losers, and 5,000 anti klan demonstrators by City
hall. One old white guy, an anti Klan demonstrator, impersonated a
Klan supporter, snuck into the penned up area on the street where the
Klan trash were wearing their garbage bags, and cold cocked smacked
the shit outta the NY/NJ grand dragon.
Was great to see the old guy go for it !!!!
>He' s probably in the closet? Can't wait for that coming out bash.
>LOL!
Maybe he should have helped his buddies this Saturday. <g>
Joe
Dan KC6EWX
payment. And I would not bitch to loud, Go try doing what you do for a
living under some dictator....and I thought you were living off mommys money
the SANE Dan
Derek Smart wrote in message <3816aaed...@news.mindspring.com>...
>On Sun, 24 Oct 1999 08:58:51 -0400, "Warbler" <nos...@nowhere.ca>
>wrote:
>
>>Brad Martin wrote in message <3812f3d...@news.demon.co.uk>...
>>>On Sun, 24 Oct 1999 02:02:02 -0400, "Warbler" <nos...@nowhere.ca>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>*If* Daktari's claims are proven
>>
>>Need I say more? Saying "If it's proven true" implies you're condemning
an
>>act on assumption of guilt. I agree that Smart's acts would be deplorable
>>if true, but this is a newsgroup, not the New York Times. Don't you have
>>something more meaningful to fill your time? How old is Daktari anyway,
>>that might explain it.
>
>He's old enough but the fact that he parks his ass at home pulling
>disability (paid for by my hard earned dollars) just explains his
>pitiful existence. His name is Howard King, anyone seen his DD214
>and/or med recs yet? No? Ask him for a scanned copy.
>
Quatoria, er, BrotherGrimm, er, Nevermind...
>DAKTARI! <noneyo...@mindpsring.com> wrote in message
>news:7uv17p$kbt$1...@nntp6.atl.mindspring.net...
>|
>| Derek Smart <dsm...@pobox.com> wrote in message
Without personal attacks, Dan, can you refrute all the points that
have been made? That would of course include the fact that, despite
Derek's statement that he accidentally clipped the end of the mail in
question, Trainman's signature was still present. Seriously, can you
factually refute all the points in question?
Quatoria
--
In the pursuit of knowledge,
every day something is added.
In the practice of Tao,
every day something is dropped.
Less and less do you need to force things,
until finally you arrive at non-action.
When nothing is done,
nothing is left un-done.
-Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching
Quatoria, er, BrotherGrimm, er, Nevermind...
>
>We had a bunch of Klan sheet boys in NYC this Saturday. They
>petitioned all the way to the US supreme court to demonstrate. They
>had 18 inbred klan losers, and 5,000 anti klan demonstrators by City
>hall. One old white guy, an anti Klan demonstrator, impersonated a
>Klan supporter, snuck into the penned up area on the street where the
>Klan trash were wearing their garbage bags, and cold cocked smacked
>the shit outta the NY/NJ grand dragon.
>Was great to see the old guy go for it !!!!
It was? While I find the beliefs of the KKK absolutely reprehensible,
I will absolutely defend their rights to publically express those
beliefs without fear of attack. Freedom of speech is a right in this
nation. Freedom from offensive speech is not. I hope they arrested the
man. Would you be cheering if an advocate of burning books had decked
the leader of an anti-censorship movement?
Freedom of speech isn't an issue that can be decided on a case by case
basis. You don't get to say "I despise your point of view. You don't
get to express it." That's exactly what the old man was doing, and to
cheer for him is to cheer for censorship.
Think a little more before you post next time, friend.
>
>>He' s probably in the closet? Can't wait for that coming out bash.
>>LOL!
>Maybe he should have helped his buddies this Saturday. <g>
>
>Joe
Derek Smart
>I suggest you very carefully extricate yourself from this. You
>might even consider a public apology for your threats, though i
>have no idea how Derek woul;d respond. You have already left way
>too much evidence that can get you into deep shit. Your move.
Don't worry, he's part of my complaint tomorrow morning. Alias or not,
they'll find out who he is.
Z_1
Derek Smart wrote in message <3817ab6a...@news.mindspring.com>...
>On Sun, 24 Oct 1999 09:19:49 -0400, "Warbler" <nos...@nowhere.ca>
>wrote:
>
>>Seeing your age and mini-biography, I'll admit that I had a different
>>perception of you. I'll take what you say a little more seriously, seeing
>>that you're not a nut after all :-)
>
>Being an ex-army Ranger doesn't make him shit. You don't have to be
>ex-anything to be a total ass. How many ex-Rangers do u see here with
>this pitiful activities? Heck, the cook in the kitchen who served food
>you couldn't feed to your cat can be an ex-Ranger. Big fucking deal.
Hey, at least he *earned* it.
>Derek Smart
Bill Huffman
Dan <dabr...@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:02RQ3.844$hF.4...@typhoon01.swbell.net...
> Quatoria, er, BrotherGrimm, er, Nevermind...
> | Daktari's recent posts, while repetitive to the nth degree,
> certainly
> | do seem to strongly suggest that Derek did, indeed, forge this
> e-mail.
>
> gospel, didn't they? In fact, his first proof was bullshit,
> wasn't it? In fact he still doesn't have what it should take to
> make such serious accusations.
>
> that
> | have been made? That would of course include the fact that,
> despite
> | Derek's statement that he accidentally clipped the end of the
> mail in
> | question, Trainman's signature was still present. Seriously, can
> you
> | factually refute all the points in question?
I note that Dan has sidestepped the issue and decides to instead try to
deflect the truth with more of his master's lies, see below.
> I take a look at the screenshots of Trainman50's mail in Derek's
> Eudora Pro inbox and wonder how that mail as it is displayed could
> be forged. Given that this piece of mail is the root cause of the
> consternation I think it necessary for someone to show how this
> shot could show a forged piece of mail. Can you explain how that
> screenshot exists, complete with expanded headers and text?
Gullible Dan, it is extremely easy. All you do is edit the "in.mbx" file
in the Eudora Pro directory.
> Can you explain why *everyone* has given Trainman50 a pass despite
> his email threat against Derek (leave the KKK stuff out of it if
> you want). Why Trainman's lies about Derek wanting to kill all
> GIs was ignored and why you find it hard to believe that
> Trainman50 would include the KKK in his post given that Traiman50
> posted on the newsgroup that it was "time to take Derek out"?
It's really very simple, Dan.
1. It's Derek's word against Trainman50 plus the following
considerations.
2. Derek is a proven habitual liar and a proven fraud.
3. The version of the email that Derek himself posted previously did NOT
contain the KKK piece.
4. Derek's explanation of how number 2 above happened proved to be a lie
since the KKK piece was in the middle not at the end.
5. The header indicates that the message with the KKK in it, is too
long. It is impossible that the message header displayed could have been
with that message.
> That post, from a vet, has definite connotations. But everyone
> avoids it, and refuses to consider Trainman50's record of
> psychotic and threatening behavior.
Trainman50 has not shown any psychotic behavior. You ignore your
master's proven fraud and habitual lying.
> I've not spent one second yet looking at the RFC or whatever it
> was that howie referenced. As I have already shown, howie's
> methods and motives are transparent, and you guys are quick to
> mistakenly applaud his proofs without any critical thought of your
> own. I'll let you guys play with all of this. Derek says he's
> filing a complaint tomorrow. I'll sit tight for awhile knowing
> howie has made his "proofs" up before and that he will avoid any
> other explanation that doesn't suit his needs. I'll also sit
> tight knowing that you guys will avoid Derek's screenshots, or at
> best make up some "maybes" about how it was done.
>
> How about *you* reproducing what Derek has shown and explaining it
> as a forgery?
Dan you stupid gullible fool. Your master has lied to you again. HAHA
HOHO HEHE All you have to do is edit the "in.mbx" file in the Eudora Pro
directory!
--
Bill Huffman
huf...@FOOLaccess1.net remove the FOOL to email me
The Reverend
> On Sun, 24 Oct 1999 09:19:49 -0400, "Warbler" <nos...@nowhere.ca>
> wrote:
>
> >Seeing your age and mini-biography, I'll admit that I had a different
> >perception of you. I'll take what you say a little more seriously,
seeing
> >that you're not a nut after all :-)
>
> Being an ex-army Ranger doesn't make him shit. You don't have to be
> ex-anything to be a total ass. How many ex-Rangers do u see here with
> this pitiful activities? Heck, the cook in the kitchen who served food
> you couldn't feed to your cat can be an ex-Ranger. Big fucking deal.
>
> Designer/Lead Developer
> The Battlecruiser Series
> www.3000ad.com
>
> "It's not everyone telling me it can't be done that bothers me.
> It's them interrupting me while I'm doing it!"
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And this coming from a liar and a fraud. Geesh. Its nice to see someone
can take a good look at them selves before casting stones.
--
The Reverend
shame. Let's see you make it through Ranger training. I don't think you've
got the fortitude or the discipline, my friend. First off you'd have to
take the earrings out of you prissy little head.
--
The Reverend
The_Good...@HotMail.com
"Entia non muliplicanda praeter necessitatem."
Occam's Razor
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Derek Smart <dsm...@pobox.com> wrote in message
news:3816aaed...@news.mindspring.com...
> On Sun, 24 Oct 1999 08:58:51 -0400, "Warbler" <nos...@nowhere.ca>
> wrote:
>
> >Brad Martin wrote in message <3812f3d...@news.demon.co.uk>...
> >>On Sun, 24 Oct 1999 02:02:02 -0400, "Warbler" <nos...@nowhere.ca>
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >>*If* Daktari's claims are proven
> >
> >Need I say more? Saying "If it's proven true" implies you're condemning
an
> >act on assumption of guilt. I agree that Smart's acts would be
deplorable
> >if true, but this is a newsgroup, not the New York Times. Don't you have
> >something more meaningful to fill your time? How old is Daktari anyway,
> >that might explain it.
>
> He's old enough but the fact that he parks his ass at home pulling
> disability (paid for by my hard earned dollars) just explains his
> pitiful existence. His name is Howard King, anyone seen his DD214
> and/or med recs yet? No? Ask him for a scanned copy.
>
Louis J.M
GodHates@Spam wrote on 10/25/99 4:14 PM:
> Here goes Derek picking of the disabled vets again. Does this man have no
> shame.
Yes he does. Why he's ashamed of revealing the University he went to and
stopping the flamewar and Huffman in his tracks is beyond me. This is why
Mr.Huffman is always on his back.
Personally - I'll say it again - I do think Derek has some sort of
legitamate degree and does this for his entertainment.
.-~~-.____ Louis J.M
/ | ' \
( ) O _
\_/-, ,----' // E-Mail: Lou...@BellSouth.net
==== ___// WWW : Coming Soon!
/ \-'~; /~~~(O)----------------------------------------------------
/ __/~| __/ |I cannot believe that God plays dice with the cosmos.
==(______| (_________|
Quatoria, er, BrotherGrimm, er, Nevermind...
>Quatoria, er, BrotherGrimm, er, Nevermind...
><Quat...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>news:8b4TOE4Gs3pnVK=YLwieI...@4ax.com...
>|
>| Daktari's recent posts, while repetitive to the nth degree,
>certainly
>| do seem to strongly suggest that Derek did, indeed, forge this
>e-mail.
>
>So did his first "proof." In fact, several hailed it as the
>gospel, didn't they? In fact, his first proof was bullshit,
>wasn't it? In fact he still doesn't have what it should take to
>make such serious accusations.
Why was it bullshit? He got the numbers wrong, but several people who
posted after him didn't, and they still point to a discrepancy in the
message size.
>| Without personal attacks, Dan, can you refrute all the points
>that
>| have been made? That would of course include the fact that,
>despite
>| Derek's statement that he accidentally clipped the end of the
>mail in
>| question, Trainman's signature was still present. Seriously, can
>you
>| factually refute all the points in question?
>
>I take a look at the screenshots of Trainman50's mail in Derek's
>Eudora Pro inbox and wonder how that mail as it is displayed could
>be forged. Given that this piece of mail is the root cause of the
>consternation I think it necessary for someone to show how this
>shot could show a forged piece of mail. Can you explain how that
>screenshot exists, complete with expanded headers and text?
Personally? No, I have never felt any cause to attempt to forge email.
A previous poster mentioned, however, that an inbox file could be
modified to produce exactly the same effect. You must certainly
concede that Derek's stories do not match up. Each time he produces
another explanation it feels more weak and contrived to me.
>Can you explain why *everyone* has given Trainman50 a pass despite
>his email threat against Derek (leave the KKK stuff out of it if
>you want). Why Trainman's lies about Derek wanting to kill all
>GIs was ignored and why you find it hard to believe that
>Trainman50 would include the KKK in his post given that Traiman50
>posted on the newsgroup that it was "time to take Derek out"?
>That post, from a vet, has definite connotations. But everyone
>avoids it, and refuses to consider Trainman50's record of
>psychotic and threatening behavior.
I absolutely agree that Trainman does not seem like a particularly
stable individual. He has repeatedly expressed a desire to do Mr.
Smart harm, something I in no way agree with. I find his stated desire
to hurt Derek in no way more acceptable then Derek's stated wish that
Daktari had died. However, as I recall, you did not attack Derek when
he made that statement. Why do you expect Bill and co to do something
you did not?
>I've not spent one second yet looking at the RFC or whatever it
>was that howie referenced. As I have already shown, howie's
>methods and motives are transparent, and you guys are quick to
>mistakenly applaud his proofs without any critical thought of your
>own. I'll let you guys play with all of this. Derek says he's
>filing a complaint tomorrow. I'll sit tight for awhile knowing
>howie has made his "proofs" up before and that he will avoid any
>other explanation that doesn't suit his needs. I'll also sit
>tight knowing that you guys will avoid Derek's screenshots, or at
>best make up some "maybes" about how it was done.
I'm not a "you guys" and I have yet to "applaud" anyone. If you wish
to argue or speak with me, Dan, please remember that you are speaking
with an individual, not an organization. I am neither "detractor" nor
"supporter".
>How about *you* reproducing what Derek has shown and explaining it
>as a forgery?
I have a life, and while it is occasionally interesting to spend 5 to
10 minutes in this conflict, spending an hour or two attempting to
produce bogus e-mail would most definately not be interesting. I would
consider it obsessive compulsive behavior.
Derek Smart
er, BrotherGrimm, er, Nevermind...) wrote:
>>I take a look at the screenshots of Trainman50's mail in Derek's
>>Eudora Pro inbox and wonder how that mail as it is displayed could
>>be forged. Given that this piece of mail is the root cause of the
>>consternation I think it necessary for someone to show how this
>>shot could show a forged piece of mail. Can you explain how that
>>screenshot exists, complete with expanded headers and text?
>
>Personally? No, I have never felt any cause to attempt to forge email.
>A previous poster mentioned, however, that an inbox file could be
>modified to produce exactly the same effect.
Yeah, sure, complete with html content. Better yet, the email was
*not* in my inbox as is clearly evident in the screen shot. Why would
an email written on 8/29 be sitting in my inbox.What are all those
folders on the left side of the screen for?
Whoever the posted was, he's just some idiot trying to shoehorn their
explanation to make it fit.
Yet, Trainman50 who communicated a *real* threat, has *not* posted the
original email. And as I suggested, my money is on him being one of
these new aliases. I even asked him to disclose who he was, and he
hasn't.
Stuart Park
> >might even consider a public apology for your threats, though i
> >have no idea how Derek woul;d respond. You have already left way
> >too much evidence that can get you into deep shit. Your move.
>
> they'll find out who he is.
Ooh Ooh! Can I be part of the complaint also? Please?
(How soon before we get the "I was sued by Derek Smart" t-shirts?)
Admiral Ardieff
Richard Tamura <apo...@ne.mediaone.net> wrote in message
news:+k8UON+GrhoNVb...@4ax.com...
> >pretty incidental to the *fact* that you threatened Derek via
> >email and on the newsgroups.
>
> by Derek Smart is the whole point of this thread.
>
> > You would still be commiting a
> >crime, whether racist is a part of your bag or not.
> >
> >I suggest you very carefully extricate yourself from this. You
> >might even consider a public apology for your threats, though i
> >have no idea how Derek woul;d respond. You have already left way
> >too much evidence that can get you into deep shit. Your move.
>
> points toward Derek Smart editing an email to slander Trainman, and
> play the race card.
All you pro- and anti- Derek Smart spammers, why don't you sod off to
another newsgroup. All your messages are totally unrelated to what ought to
be discussed in the newsgroup.
regards,
Admiral Ardieff
Bill Huffman
> On Mon, 25 Oct 1999 10:34:01 GMT, Quat...@bellsouth.net (Quatoria,
> er, BrotherGrimm, er, Nevermind...) wrote:
>
> >>I take a look at the screenshots of Trainman50's mail in Derek's
> >>Eudora Pro inbox and wonder how that mail as it is displayed could
> >>be forged. Given that this piece of mail is the root cause of the
> >>consternation I think it necessary for someone to show how this
> >>shot could show a forged piece of mail. Can you explain how that
> >>screenshot exists, complete with expanded headers and text?
> >
> >Personally? No, I have never felt any cause to attempt to forge
email.
> >A previous poster mentioned, however, that an inbox file could be
> >modified to produce exactly the same effect.
>
> Yeah, sure, complete with html content. Better yet, the email was
> *not* in my inbox as is clearly evident in the screen shot. Why would
> an email written on 8/29 be sitting in my inbox.What are all those
> folders on the left side of the screen for?
>
> Whoever the posted was, he's just some idiot trying to shoehorn their
> explanation to make it fit.
That's the way you did it. If you move a message in Eudora Pro, Eudora
Pro just cuts it from one *.mbx file and pastes it into another. The
format of the *.mbx file looks the same to me as the mailbox files in
elm. It's simply a whole bunch of emails concatenated in one file.
--
Bill Huffman
huf...@FRAUDaccess1.net remove the FRAUD to email me
DAKTARI!
> On Sun, 24 Oct 1999 08:58:51 -0400, "Warbler" <nos...@nowhere.ca>
> wrote:
>
> He's old enough but the fact that he parks his ass at home pulling
> disability (paid for by my hard earned dollars) just explains his
> pitiful existence. His name is Howard King, anyone seen his DD214
> and/or med recs yet? No? Ask him for a scanned copy.
....ouch, stop you're hurting my feelings.............
--
DAKTARI!
histo...@hotmail.com
DAKTARI!
> On Sun, 24 Oct 1999 09:19:49 -0400, "Warbler" <nos...@nowhere.ca>
> wrote:
> Being an ex-army Ranger doesn't make him shit. You don't have to be
> ex-anything to be a total ass. How many ex-Rangers do u see here with
> this pitiful activities? Heck, the cook in the kitchen who served food
> you couldn't feed to your cat can be an ex-Ranger. Big fucking deal.
Yes and you are a famous game developer with a Ph.d from a renown and
accredited .......
What a minute........?
--
DAKTARI!
histo...@hotmail.com
DAKTARI!
Allan Parent <all...@flash.net> wrote in message
news:3813B464...@flash.net...
> Derek Smart wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 24 Oct 1999 09:19:49 -0400, "Warbler" <nos...@nowhere.ca>
> > wrote:
>
> Gee, I hope you never go into a bar with a bunch of ex-rangers and say
> that. YOU would then be turned into cat food.
>
> Allan
What?
And poison a perfectly good cat?
I didn't think that you thought so low of me Allan......
Now that Hurt!
--
DAKTARI!
histo...@hotmail.com
DAKTARI!
J...@bsfilter.com <nobr...@unleesrjed.Clampet> wrote in message
news:3813b5f6...@news.mindspring.com...
>
> >He' s probably in the closet? Can't wait for that coming out bash.
> >LOL!
> Maybe he should have helped his buddies this Saturday. <g>
>
> Joe
They have a big hang up about race. My ethnicity keep stalling the
application process. They are real sticklers for this............
Care to take a guess at what this means......
--
DAKTARI!
histo...@hotmail.com
DAKTARI!
> On Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:00:03 -0500, "Dan" <dabr...@swbell.net> wrote:
>
> >I suggest you very carefully extricate yourself from this. You
> >might even consider a public apology for your threats, though i
> >have no idea how Derek woul;d respond. You have already left way
> >too much evidence that can get you into deep shit. Your move.
>
> they'll find out who he is.
Yes,
Please show them that piece of email......
Anyone care to take a guess at the penalty for perjury and falsifying
evidence..........
--
DAKTARI!
histo...@hotmail.com
Brad Martin
>Frankly, whether you included the KKK in your post or not is
>pretty incidental to the *fact* that you threatened Derek via
>email and on the newsgroups. You would still be commiting a
>crime, whether racist is a part of your bag or not.
Dan,
Would you clarify a point for me please. Do you still believe that
Trainman's email contained the KKK comment, or do you now believe that
the mail was indeed doctored?
Thank you
brad
Patrick Muller
The Reverend wrote:
> Derek Smart <dsm...@pobox.com> wrote in message
> news:3817ab6a...@news.mindspring.com...
> > On Sun, 24 Oct 1999 09:19:49 -0400, "Warbler" <nos...@nowhere.ca>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Seeing your age and mini-biography, I'll admit that I had a different
> > >perception of you. I'll take what you say a little more seriously,
> seeing
> > >that you're not a nut after all :-)
> >
> > Being an ex-army Ranger doesn't make him shit. You don't have to be
> > ex-anything to be a total ass. How many ex-Rangers do u see here with
> > this pitiful activities? Heck, the cook in the kitchen who served food
> > you couldn't feed to your cat can be an ex-Ranger. Big fucking
> deal.[snip]
It's true..
We have a usenet cook in the NG!
--
"Luck is merely the meeting of preparedness and opportunity"
Patrick Muller
The Reverend wrote:
> Here goes Derek picking of the disabled vets again. Does this man have no
> shame. Let's see you make it through Ranger training. I don't think you've
> got the fortitude or the discipline, my friend.
> First off you'd have to
> take the earrings out of you prissy little head.
Hey, now wait just a damn minute! I have an earring too..
Does that make me prissy too!?
b.t.w. when he was in Amsterdam, I noticed Harrisson Ford has one too...
Patrick
F E N O M E D I A
_________________________________________
n e w m e d i a c o n s u l t a n t s
Jimmy Chan
wrote:
>On Sun, 24 Oct 1999 09:19:49 -0400, "Warbler" <nos...@nowhere.ca>
>wrote:
>
>>Seeing your age and mini-biography, I'll admit that I had a different
>>perception of you. I'll take what you say a little more seriously, seeing
>>that you're not a nut after all :-)
>
>Being an ex-army Ranger doesn't make him shit. You don't have to be
>ex-anything to be a total ass. How many ex-Rangers do u see here with
>this pitiful activities? Heck, the cook in the kitchen who served food
>you couldn't feed to your cat can be an ex-Ranger. Big fucking deal.
Hmm, being an developer of a POS game doesn't make the PhD Fraud shit.
How many developers do you see here posting about diploma mill PhDs
and lying about it for 3+ years, lying to the magazine press about
fraudulent PhDs and AI work. How many developers do you see here
posting about fake lawsuits.
At least that's one ex-Ranger that the PhD Fraud won't be asking to
see at the next Dev Conference.
Allan Parent
>
> Allan Parent <all...@flash.net> wrote in message
> news:3813B464...@flash.net...
> > >
> > > On Sun, 24 Oct 1999 09:19:49 -0400, "Warbler" <nos...@nowhere.ca>
> > > wrote:
>
> >
> > that. YOU would then be turned into cat food.
> >
> > Allan
>
> What?
>
> And poison a perfectly good cat?
> I didn't think that you thought so low of me Allan......
>
> Now that Hurt!
> --
> DAKTARI!
> histo...@hotmail.com
LOL! Sorry Daktari, my apologies. BTW, good heads up on the scroll bar
thing. How is derek going to explain that?
Allan
The Reverend
Patrick Muller <p.mu...@fenomedia.nl> wrote in message
news:3814A45E...@fenomedia.nl...
>
>
> The Reverend wrote:
>
> > Here goes Derek picking of the disabled vets again. Does this man have
no
> > shame. Let's see you make it through Ranger training. I don't think
you've
> > got the fortitude or the discipline, my friend.
>
> > First off you'd have to
> > take the earrings out of you prissy little head.
>
> Hey, now wait just a damn minute! I have an earring too..
> Does that make me prissy too!?
>
> b.t.w. when he was in Amsterdam, I noticed Harrisson Ford has one too...
>
>
> Patrick
>
Having an earring doesn't constitute a person as being a priss, just
Derek's head. Which, by the way, is amazing that his ego can fit into such
a compact space. I have no problem with the multi-pierced. The problem I
have is with a person, like DS, who will lie, cheat , and fabricate
information in a paranoid game of "I'm better than all of you, and you don't
mean shit to me." And when things don't go his way ( which is most of the
time ), he starts throwing prejudicial slander, like wild pitches at a
little league baseball game. Then when the prejudicial attacks fail, the
Master of Inconsistent Anal Retentiveness threatens laughable legal action,
that is never fulfilled, in the feeble hope that people will become fearful.
So in short, having an earring doesn't make on a priss, and yes I've got
one also. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
Looks like I just summed up Derek" the fraud" Smart's outlook on life in
under five hundred words. Now I know he's a sad little man.
The Reverend
>
> J...@bsfilter.com <nobr...@unleesrjed.Clampet> wrote in message
> news:3813b5f6...@news.mindspring.com...
> > On Mon, 25 Oct 1999 01:01:56 GMT, dsm...@pobox.com (Derek Smart)
> >
> > >On Sun, 24 Oct 1999 15:50:20 +0200, Patrick Muller
> > ><p.mu...@fenomedia.nl> wrote:
>
> >
> > >He' s probably in the closet? Can't wait for that coming out bash.
> > >LOL!
> > Maybe he should have helped his buddies this Saturday. <g>
> >
> > Joe
>
> They have a big hang up about race. My ethnicity keep stalling the
> application process. They are real sticklers for this............
>
> Care to take a guess at what this means......
> --
> DAKTARI!
> histo...@hotmail.com
>
>
I guess it means, in the eyes of the Klan, your ethnically challenged...{;^)
jackyo
Dan wrote in message ...
>jackyo <jack...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:7uvdec$3je$1...@nntp5.atl.mindspring.net...
>|
>| Trainman50 wrote in message
>| >Every one of those other msg"s I did send...but I will swear on
>any Stack
>| of
>| >bibles in any court of law any where..I DID NOT SEND THAT MSG
>WITH KKK IN
>| >IT..I would never use KKK...they are the most cowardly group in
>the
>| >world...and if you notice never in any of my e-mails did I ever
>use RACE
>| >
>|
>|
>| Well, how about it Derek? Do you call Trainman a liar?
>
>Aside from whether Trainman50 is a racist or not, he clearly
>threatened Derek via email and on the newsgroups.
No, no aside - I didn;t ask whether trainman was a nutcase or not - just
whether he is lying when he says he didn't post the email in question.
jackyo
J...@bsfilter.com wrote in message <3813b5f6...@news.mindspring.com>...
>
>We had a bunch of Klan sheet boys in NYC this Saturday. They
>petitioned all the way to the US supreme court to demonstrate. They
>had 18 inbred klan losers, and 5,000 anti klan demonstrators by City
>hall. One old white guy, an anti Klan demonstrator, impersonated a
>Klan supporter, snuck into the penned up area on the street where the
>Klan trash were wearing their garbage bags, and cold cocked smacked
>the shit outta the NY/NJ grand dragon.
>Was great to see the old guy go for it !!!!
Uh uh - I saw it on the news several times - he threw a punch at the guy,
but it never actually landed. He certainly didn't 'smack the shit out of the
guy.'
However, a 'pro-clan' woman had the shit beaten out of her by the crowd.
Dan
So, you are concerned about Derek calling a guy who has threatened
him via email and the newsgroup a liar?
Quite obviously Derek is calling him a liar. I really can't
imagine why you asked the question. I can imagine, unfortunately,
why you ignore the facts about what Trainman50 has unquestionably
done, and why you find it hard to believe an vet nutcase like
Trainman50 would include KKK in one of his several threats.
DAKTARI!
The Reverend <GodHates@Spam> wrote in message
news:7v2k6r$jvu$1...@nntp4.atl.mindspring.net...
Sort of,
Moms Iranian..............
--
DAKTARI!
histo...@hotmail.com
DAKTARI!
The Reverend <GodHates@Spam> wrote in message
> > Patrick
> >
> --------------------------------------------------------
> Having an earring doesn't constitute a person as being a priss, just
> Derek's head. Which, by the way, is amazing that his ego can fit into
such
> a compact space.
Sorry but it does not fit. If you will have noticed, it is in fact oozing
out all over the freakin' place!!!
--
DAKTARI!
histo...@hotmail.com
The Reverend
Well we better find a way of stopping it because that's just ecologically
unsound. What happens if that bullshit hits the ground water? Maybe we can
patch is head with duct-tape, or better yet....SILLYPUTTY. Sillyputty will
blend in so well with Derek's critical thinking ability. The proof is BC3K
(POS Game of the Year).
The Reverend
Dan <snel...@gte.net> wrote in message
news:9f8R3.971$fQ1....@dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net...
> Never mind the ground water man he lives in Florida
>
> SAVE the MANATEES!
>
> Dan [the sane one]
-----------------------------------------------------------
You know... It might just be easier just to move the Manatees, then trying
to fix Derek "I'm in La La Land" Smart's head.
Anyone know what the half-life is on DS Ego? It's got to be WAY up there.
Dan
SAVE the MANATEES!
Dan [the sane one]
The Reverend wrote in message <7v2rfd$fjk$1...@nntp5.atl.mindspring.net>...
Clinton C. Pross
wrote:
Isn't it nice how hatred always brings out the best in people?
Remind anyone of anything?
ccpross <at> earthlink <dot> net
Quatoria, er, BrotherGrimm, er, Nevermind...
wrote:
Censorship and mindless violence, which, for some reason, the people
here seem to think is alright, because the victims were racists. Well,
shock of shocks, being a racist doesn't mean you lose your civil
rights. It just makes you an idiot. Idiocy is not a reason to get beat
up.
Quatoria
--
In the pursuit of knowledge,
every day something is added.
In the practice of Tao,
every day something is dropped.
Less and less do you need to force things,
until finally you arrive at non-action.
When nothing is done,
nothing is left un-done.
-Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching
Riboflavin
> Having an earring doesn't constitute a person as being a priss, just
>Derek's head. Which, by the way, is amazing that his ego can fit into such
>a compact space.
Reverend (I hope you're not one of the priests that Kunt guy was threatening
me with), you must have missed my fascinating PhD thesis on this very topic.
You see, Derek has such an enormous ego that it has actually collapsed into
a black hole. The physical size of the ego itself is thus essentially zero,
but it's effects can reach through solid matter to be seen worldwide (much
like the gravity of a physical black hole.)
In the vicinity of the ego, time, space, and logic are warped. Within 20
feet of Derek's physical being, a weekend occurs only twice a year, which
explains how he was able to fulfil his promise to deliver a manual 'this
weekend' when it appeared to take him 8 months or so to an outside observer.
We can see the effects of the space warp in what is known as 'length
contraction', where the content-length header of a post will show a much
shorter length than one would expect by counting the words in an email. We
can see the very interesting effects on logic by observing that he has
accused Bill Huffman of Libel for claiming that Derek lied about his school
being "reknowed (sic) and accredited" even though the school is actually, in
Derek's words, "one of the diploma mills".
Note that these effects extend to anyone in the vicinity of Derek, so his
closest supporters have similarly warped perspectives on the world. I'd post
some of the math behind this for you, but it's copyrighted material and my
university (which I cannot name) would be very angry if I posted part of the
thesis since we're still in dispute over it.
--
Kevin Allegood ribotr...@mindspring.pants.com
Remove the pants from my email address to reply
"I am convinced people who worry about spelling and punctuation
on the net fold their underwear before they have sex. It's just got to be."
- Bunboy
Riboflavin
>Isn't it nice how hatred always brings out the best in people?
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>Remind anyone of anything?
Oh, so now you'll tell us all how you "feel our pain" Pross, Clinton?