Announcing Documentation - The Aztec C DOS 3.3 Shell (SHELL ME)(SHELL ME TOO)

[Bill Buckels]

Download Them Here:

http://www.aztecmuseum.ca/extras/shellme2013.pdf

http://www.aztecmuseum.ca/extras/shellmetoo2013.pdf

This documentation is free (but not easy) and it is not available in any
store. It may have been 30 years ago if you had a wack of money lying
around.

But if you saw my last couple of announcements for the RAT and RD (Random
DUMP Hex Viewer) and you need a compelling reason to bother with them, I
don't think these will do that for you. Not a chance!

Note: Nor is it necessary to send me a dollar, and if I keep this-up I'll
need to send you a dollar to stay off your blocked sender's list so I'll
keep this shorter than usual.

I have been reformatting the Aztec C DOS 3.3 Shell Documentation (and the
rest of Rubywand's Aztec C65 Mini-Manual) in the course of my
retro-development project that I call Aztec33.

And if you already have the RAT and RD, you already have these in the
bundle.

The End (for now)

All the Best,

Bill

[dagz]

You are one prolific dude. Sorry I haven't had more time to check out your tools, but it sure sounds like you're having fun. Keep it up!

[Bill Buckels]

"dagz" <Dagen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>You are one prolific dude. Sorry I haven't had more time to check out your
>tools, but it sure sounds like you're having fun. Keep it up!

That should be easy by now...

I'm following Rubywand's (Jeff Hurburt's) breadtrail on this one with
extensive help from csa2 while I have time, but I'm due to fall off the face
of the earth shortly to run my fishing business.

And you should check the stuff out... the ProDOS commandline stuff
especially! All the shell there is missing is commandline history and a Y2K
patch. Redirection is more stable and globing of wildcards was added that
version (circa 1987).

The challenge here in this 1983 environment is going to be building a parser
to post-process the 6502 assembler pass of the cross-compiler equivalent of
Rubywand's old native mode compiler for building "RAW" DOS 3.3 programs.
Building these utility things is a byproduct of nailing down the differences
between the two.

The cross-compiler is actually for the Commodore 64. I bought it 1989 but it
uses a different offset in zero page for its stack for compiling "RAW" 6502
code. It's hard-coded into the compiler. The shell compiler works fine as
you can see. For the c64 I used some other pieces from the Z80 compiler
because I was missing parts. When I finished with the C64 and put it on the
website and started this resurrection (this compiler may have really existed
in MS-DOS but I may have invented parts of it too) It didn't dawn on me that
ZP usage on the C64 can't start at 0... it starts at 2 and on the Apple II
it can start at 0 and does...

The other thing here was that I did a bunch of shell commandline utilites
for a newer shell for ProDOS and I didn't want to miss the chance to
catch-up with DOS 3.3. The only way to nail down these filing systems for me
is to resurrect some old compilers and assemblers and make them work.

I think persistent is probably a better word to use here. I've been banging
on this off and on for several years now, and finally I am getting close.
Scouring through this really showed results this pass through.

I've never been much for reading fiction since the '60's. But was too busy
making money in MS-DOS and Windows and Unix to bother with this until my
kids grew-up. Being persistent is easy when one has no tuition to pay
anymore etc.

Check the shell stuff out.Amazing for the time really.

Bill

Bill

[Bill Buckels]

Here is the whole manual: Much Better!

http://www.aztecmuseum.ca/docs/AztecC_minimanual2013.pdf

Swriter's converter didn't convert the links properly from MS-WORD.

Anyone got something better? If so I'll send you the word doc for
conversion... otherwise stays as is.

Bill

[Saint Isidore - Patron Saint of the Internet]

On Thursday, August 22, 2013 6:06:07 PM UTC-7, Bill Buckels wrote:
> Download Them Here:
>
>
>
> http://www.aztecmuseum.ca/extras/shellme2013.pdf
>
>
>
> http://www.aztecmuseum.ca/extras/shellmetoo2013.pdf
>
>
>
> This documentation is free (but not easy) and it is not available in any

I think I still have the src to that but, I was instructed not to post or give
it to anybody.

It's on GSWV in other format files somewhere if anybody wants to search
for it. I think it was coded in one of Mike Westerfield prgram

>
> store. It may have been 30 years ago if you had a wack of money lying
>
> around.
>
>
>
> But if you saw my last couple of announcements for the RAT and RD (Random
>
> DUMP Hex Viewer) and you need a compelling reason to bother with them, I
>
> don't think these will do that for you. Not a chance!
>
>
>
> Note: Nor is it necessary to send me a dollar, and if I keep this-up I'll
>
> need to send you a dollar to stay off your blocked sender's list so I'll
>
> keep this shorter than usual.
>
>
>
> I have been reformatting the Aztec C DOS 3.3 Shell Documentation (and the
>
> rest of Rubywand's Aztec C65 Mini-Manual) in the course of my
>
> retro-development project that I call Aztec33.
>
>
>
> And if you already have the RAT and RD, you already have these in the
>
> bundle.
>
>
>
> The End (for now)
>
>
>
> All the Best,
>
>
>
> Bill

Same here! BTW, I have the src . for it in Merlin but, I was told
by its owner not to post or give it to anyone - so, I respect
his instructions as well as MW and RB. So, here it sits on some
hard drive in my shop.

Cheers!

Tom

[Bill Buckels]

Saint Isidore - Patron Saint of the Internet wrote:
> On Thursday, August 22, 2013 6:06:07 PM UTC-7, Bill Buckels wrote:

>> http://www.aztecmuseum.ca/extras/shellme2013.pdf
>> http://www.aztecmuseum.ca/extras/shellmetoo2013.pdf

> I think I still have the src to that but, I was instructed not to
> post or give it to anybody.
> It's on GSWV in other format files somewhere if anybody wants to
> search
> for it. I think it was coded in one of Mike Westerfield prgram
>> store. It may have been 30 years ago if you had a wack of money lying
>> around.

The Aztec C shell was written in Aztec C. Pehaps the prototype version of
the Manx compiler was written in 6502 assembly language. This version of the
compiler is part of a larger toolchain which also includes the CP/M 80
compiler also available for download from the Aztec C website.

I could check with Harry Suckow, Thomas Fenwick, and Jim Goodnow. I haven't
got any email from either Harry or Jim for several years now. The last
couple of
times I called Fenwick he was out and I chatted with his wife.

They were partners with Harry when Manx Software incorporated. They worked
together in and around New Jersey at another company at the time, aound the
late '70's IIRC. Perhaps Mike Westerfield produced an assembler in the late
'70's that they purchased to produce their first prototypes for the Apple
II.

However, Mike Westerfield is unlikely to have produced the CPM/80 version
1.06 from which Aztec C65 1.06 is branched. Fenwick may have had some help
from Mike, but later when Fenwick worked for Bill Gates and wrote the OS
Kernel for Micorosoft Windows first mobile version (Windows CE), he worked
solo so I doubt it. Developers of software (not hackers) do not generally do
so
as a social networking experience nor as a mind-expanding ritual.

I also fail to see what a computer store has to do with a company without a
store-front in New Jersey.

The compiler and tools for this version were written in Aztec C.

Harry Suckow, the Copyright Holder of Aztec C gave me permission to
distribute their compilers to the communities several years ago.

If you have the source to any of Manx Software's discontinued products I
would be happy to place it on the Aztec C Website and make it available for
download. I am sure others in the Apple II community and the Commodore 64
community would be pleased to have the source for the Aztec C 6502 Unix-Like
Shell.

Unfortunately other time commitments prevent me from performing exhaustive
searches of websites that are not my own for some evidence to support your
statement.

>> All the Best,

> Same here! BTW, I have the src . for it in Merlin but, I was told
> by its owner not to post or give it to anyone - so, I respect
> his instructions as well as MW and RB. So, here it sits on some
> hard drive in my shop.

So is the source for the Aztec C Shell for DOS 3.3 which was written in
Aztec C and which I have permission to distribute:

1. In the GSWV historical archives and written in C?

or

2. On one of your hard drives and now written in Merlin?

I doubt it!

Harry Suckow is the Copyright holder. Works for Hire are also owned
by Harry. It if it was not Harry who told you this then you are mistaken.

If and when you can find this source feel free to forward it to me for
authentication and review.

All the best,

Bill