What's the easiest way to just transfer a single file from iOS over to my laptop?

[Paul M. Cook]

I'm trying to set up a single-tap ease of use for my iPad to
transfer a file from the iPad over to my laptop over WiFi.

On Android, I just tap a button and with the default free software
and the file is transferred from Android to Linux automatically.

I just want that same ease of use for my iPad.

Googling, I find I can load a free app called "Feme" on both the
linux laptop and the ipad, but that's a lot of effort just to
something as simple as transferring a file from iOS to my laptop.
http://techapple.net/2015/03/transfer-files-linux-iphone-ipad-feem-wifi/

Googling further, I find mention of AirDrop, but it seems to be
a charter member of the walled garden philosophy:
http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/125407/airdrop-compatible

Googling further, I find this set of "top five" apps to force the
iOS operating system to share files without jailbreaking:
http://www.geekersmagazine.com/2013/02/08/wifi-file-transfer-apps-for-iphone/

I'll try to get something to work, but I don't expect it to be easy.

I'll try to come up with the easiest method to copy a single file
from iOS to my laptop over wifi and report back what I found out.

[nospam]

In article
<82a37$56462a60$6c1fe631$13...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Paul M.

Cook <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:

> I'll try to get something to work, but I don't expect it to be easy.

because you refuse to learn new ways of doing things.

> I'll try to come up with the easiest method to copy a single file
> from iOS to my laptop over wifi and report back what I found out.

no you won't.

you'll come back and argue and troll.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2015-11-13, Paul M. Cook <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:
> I'm trying to set up a single-tap ease of use for my iPad to
> transfer a file from the iPad over to my laptop over WiFi.

Nope, you're trolling, as usual.

> On Android, I just tap a button and with the default free software
> and the file is transferred from Android to Linux automatically.

Bullshit. You had to set that up ahead of time, and you don't want to
mention that because you are trolling.

> I just want that same ease of use for my iPad.

Liar. You have proven time and again that you prefer to use ancient,
slow, cumbersome methods.

> Googling, I find I can load a free app called "Feme" on both the
> linux laptop and the ipad, but that's a lot of effort just to
> something as simple as transferring a file from iOS to my laptop.

Remember, installing an app is a "lot of effort", kids!

> Googling further, I find mention of AirDrop, but it seems to be
> a charter member of the walled garden philosophy:

Nope, it's way better than anything you have available on Android and
Linux. You're completely clueless about a lot of basic things in
technology, so it's no surprise that's the conclusion you reached.

> Googling further, I find this set of "top five" apps to force the
> iOS operating system to share files without jailbreaking:

Proving that you are still very much stuck in the past.

> I'll try to get something to work, but I don't expect it to be easy.

You make everything more complicated than need be, so you should be used
to that.

> I'll try to come up with the easiest method to copy a single file
> from iOS to my laptop over wifi and report back what I found out.

Don't bother. Nobody here is interested in your lame trolls. I know that
won't stop you though. You clearly have nothing better to do with your
time.

--
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

[sobriquet]

Jailbreak the ipad and you can easily access it via wifi over ftp
to explore the complete filesystem.
That means you can access the ipad from both pc(mac/win/linux)
and from an android phone (if you have total commander installed
on the phone).

If you don't jailbreak it, there are apps (like jdisk) that allow
one to access the contents of the ipad via wifi in a webbrowser.

Both methods allow for arbitrary files to be transferred both ways between
pc/android phone and ipad.

[Paul M. Cook]

On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 13:24:45 -0500, nospam wrote:

>> I'll try to get something to work, but I don't expect it to be easy.
>
> because you refuse to learn new ways of doing things.

On the iPad, I installed FTP Server By Savy Soda
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ftp-server/id346724641?mt=8

Guess what?
It's brain dead.

Nothing works. Not even the on/off switch.

So, I'll look for another free FTP app, but I'm actually surprised
that Apple let an app that does absolutely nothing in the app store.

[Paul M. Cook]

On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 18:36:13 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote:

>> On Android, I just tap a button and with the default free software
>> and the file is transferred from Android to Linux automatically.
>
> Bullshit. You had to set that up ahead of time, and you don't want to
> mention that because you are trolling.

I don't mind setting something up on the iPad first, as long
as it's free (since all I'm doing is transferring a file).

My first attempt was to set up an FTP server, which is how I
obtained seamless file transfer on Android, but the FTP Server
that is in the App store is brain dead on arrival.

FTP Server By Savy Soda
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ftp-server/id346724641?mt=8

Nothing works. Not even the on/off switch.

So what is a free app that actually works, to run an FTP server on iOS?

[nospam]

In article
<8134e$5646346d$6c1fe631$13...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Paul M.

Cook <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:

> >> I'll try to get something to work, but I don't expect it to be easy.
> >
> > because you refuse to learn new ways of doing things.
>
> On the iPad, I installed FTP Server By Savy Soda
> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ftp-server/id346724641?mt=8
>
> Guess what?
> It's brain dead.

guess what. i was right. you refuse to learn new things.

> Nothing works. Not even the on/off switch.
>
> So, I'll look for another free FTP app, but I'm actually surprised
> that Apple let an app that does absolutely nothing in the app store.

why the fuck are you screwing around with ftp?

talk about braindead.

[nospam]

In article
<425e7$56463500$6c1fe631$13...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Paul M.

Cook <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:

> >> On Android, I just tap a button and with the default free software
> >> and the file is transferred from Android to Linux automatically.
> >
> > Bullshit. You had to set that up ahead of time, and you don't want to
> > mention that because you are trolling.
>
> I don't mind setting something up on the iPad first, as long
> as it's free (since all I'm doing is transferring a file).

there's nothing to set up.

> My first attempt was to set up an FTP server, which is how I
> obtained seamless file transfer on Android, but the FTP Server
> that is in the App store is brain dead on arrival.
>
> FTP Server By Savy Soda
> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ftp-server/id346724641?mt=8
> Nothing works. Not even the on/off switch.
>
> So what is a free app that actually works, to run an FTP server on iOS?

who the fuck cares. setting up an ftp server on an ipad is about the
dumbest possible way.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2015-11-13, Paul M. Cook <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:

> On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 18:36:13 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>>> On Android, I just tap a button and with the default free software
>>> and the file is transferred from Android to Linux automatically.
>>
>> Bullshit. You had to set that up ahead of time, and you don't want to
>> mention that because you are trolling.
>
> I don't mind setting something up on the iPad first, as long
> as it's free (since all I'm doing is transferring a file).

You're still full of shit. You didn't "just tap a button" on Android.

> My first attempt was to set up an FTP server

Which is about the most idiotic and cumbersome method you could think
of, no doubt. Seriously? Setting up an ancient FTP server on your mobile
device just to transfer something? I suspect you have no idea just how
utterly ridiculous you are being. And this, from the same person who
claims iOS users do things in the most complicated way! You're a
complete joke, old man.

> So what is a free app that actually works, to run an FTP server on iOS?

OpenSSH, duh. Then you can do SFTP rather than using completely insecure
FTP.

[Paul M. Cook]

On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 14:11:43 -0500, nospam wrote:

> who the fuck cares. setting up an ftp server on an ipad is about the
> dumbest possible way.

If all I want to do is transfer a single file from my iPad to
one of my machines on my network, without having to purchase software
for something so extremely simple, what is the solution you suggest?

Or, is there nothing that will do such a simple task?

[Jolly Roger]

AirDrop does just that, and is better than anything you have available,
silly troll. Your limitations are self-inflicted, old man.

[nospam]

In article
<d0c6d$564638b9$6c1fe631$13...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Paul M.

Cook <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:

> > who the fuck cares. setting up an ftp server on an ipad is about the
> > dumbest possible way.
>
> If all I want to do is transfer a single file from my iPad to
> one of my machines on my network, without having to purchase software
> for something so extremely simple, what is the solution you suggest?

you haven't been reading a single thing that has been said in this
thread and many other threads where it's been explained how.

> Or, is there nothing that will do such a simple task?

there's plenty of ways but you aren't interested in solutions.

you just want to troll.

[Paul M. Cook]

On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 10:43:27 -0800, sobriquet wrote:

> Jailbreak the ipad and you can easily access it via wifi over ftp
> to explore the complete filesystem.
> That means you can access the ipad from both pc(mac/win/linux)
> and from an android phone (if you have total commander installed
> on the phone).
>
> If you don't jailbreak it, there are apps (like jdisk) that allow
> one to access the contents of the ipad via wifi in a webbrowser.
>
> Both methods allow for arbitrary files to be transferred both ways between
> pc/android phone and ipad.

Thanks for that advice, as I just want to transfer a file, so,
I shouldn't have to jailbreak (root) a device just to copy a file.

Searching for a URL to Jdisk by Stickto in the app store,
surprisingly, I find nothing:
http://www.apple.com/search/jdisk-stickto

However, a Google search finds bad news:
https://www.exploit-db.com/exploits/31618/

But I'll try jDisk anyway, because I just want to find the easiest way
to transfer, for free, a file from iOS to my laptop on my WiFi network.

The iPad App Store has no problem finding jDisk By Stickto, version
2.0.4.

Unlike FTP Server By Savy Soda, at least jDisk does something.

I tapped the WiFi button and a screen came up with this information:
http://192.168.1.2:12345

On Linux, I went to my normal file manager (Nautilus) and entered
that information. It asked for a login & password (which is normal for
FTP) but I wasn't sure what to give it so I clicked "Anonymous".

Nothing happened.

I will look for the login/password that jDisk must be using.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2015-11-13, nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article
><d0c6d$564638b9$6c1fe631$13...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Paul M.
> Cook <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:
>
>> > who the fuck cares. setting up an ftp server on an ipad is about the
>> > dumbest possible way.
>>
>> If all I want to do is transfer a single file from my iPad to
>> one of my machines on my network, without having to purchase software
>> for something so extremely simple, what is the solution you suggest?
>
> you haven't been reading a single thing that has been said in this
> thread and many other threads where it's been explained how.

For someone who claims to be technologically savvy, he's utterly
clueless.

>> Or, is there nothing that will do such a simple task?
>
> there's plenty of ways but you aren't interested in solutions.
>
> you just want to troll.

Yep.

[nospam]

In article
<eb19b$5646399b$6c1fe631$13...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Paul M.

Cook <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:

> > Jailbreak the ipad and you can easily access it via wifi over ftp
> > to explore the complete filesystem.
> > That means you can access the ipad from both pc(mac/win/linux)
> > and from an android phone (if you have total commander installed
> > on the phone).
> >
> > If you don't jailbreak it, there are apps (like jdisk) that allow
> > one to access the contents of the ipad via wifi in a webbrowser.
> >
> > Both methods allow for arbitrary files to be transferred both ways between
> > pc/android phone and ipad.
>
> Thanks for that advice, as I just want to transfer a file, so,
> I shouldn't have to jailbreak (root) a device just to copy a file.

you don't.

> Searching for a URL to Jdisk by Stickto in the app store,
> surprisingly, I find nothing:
> http://www.apple.com/search/jdisk-stickto
>
> However, a Google search finds bad news:
> https://www.exploit-db.com/exploits/31618/
>
> But I'll try jDisk anyway, because I just want to find the easiest way
> to transfer, for free, a file from iOS to my laptop on my WiFi network.
>
> The iPad App Store has no problem finding jDisk By Stickto, version
> 2.0.4.
>
> Unlike FTP Server By Savy Soda, at least jDisk does something.
>
> I tapped the WiFi button and a screen came up with this information:
> http://192.168.1.2:12345
>
> On Linux, I went to my normal file manager (Nautilus) and entered
> that information. It asked for a login & password (which is normal for
> FTP) but I wasn't sure what to give it so I clicked "Anonymous".
>
> Nothing happened.
>
> I will look for the login/password that jDisk must be using.

you're a train wreck.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2015-11-13, Paul M. Cook <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 10:43:27 -0800, sobriquet wrote:
>
> Thanks for that advice, as I just want to transfer a file, so,
> I shouldn't have to jailbreak (root) a device just to copy a file.

> Searching for a URL to Jdisk by Stickto in the app store,
> surprisingly, I find nothing:
> http://www.apple.com/search/jdisk-stickto
>
> However, a Google search finds bad news:
> https://www.exploit-db.com/exploits/31618/

Heh. Yet using the insecure FTP protocol doesn't seem to concern you at
all. You're a silly old man.

> But I'll try jDisk anyway, because I just want to find the easiest way
> to transfer, for free, a file from iOS to my laptop on my WiFi network.

No, you want to troll.

[Savageduck]

On 2015-11-13 18:22:24 +0000, "Paul M. Cook" <pmc...@gte.net> said:

> I'm trying to set up a single-tap ease of use for my iPad to
> transfer a file from the iPad over to my laptop over WiFi.
>
> On Android, I just tap a button and with the default free software
> and the file is transferred from Android to Linux automatically.
>
> I just want that same ease of use for my iPad.

Holy crap!!
How many times do we have to go through the same old troll from you, or
whatever sock you are wearing?

<Garbage mind fuck stuff removed to ease pain for all>


--
Regards,

Savageduck

[Paul M. Cook]

On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 14:29:45 -0500, nospam wrote:

> you're a train wreck.

You like to spout how easy things are on iOS until someone asks a
basic question like how to transfer a single file to any one of
their laptops via WiFi, and then suddenly, you can't say anything.

Anyway, I found in jDisk settings where the port and password
are set. The default port is 12345 and the default password is
unset. But that won't work for FTP so I changed the port to 22,
but even the web browser on Linux wouldn't connect to port 22
saying:
"This address is restricted
This address uses a network port which is normally used
for purposes other than Web browsing.
Firefox has canceled the request for your protection."

That's fair enough, but then what filespec do I put in Nautilus
so that it browses the iPad file system if this filespec failed?
ftp://192.168.1.2:12345

Looking more at jDisk, it seems to only be an "http" server, and
not an FTP server. So that's bad news because getting files over
an http index directory is just about as bad a user interface as
can be imagined.

But I'll try, since all I want to do is transfer a file from the
iPad over WiFi to any desired laptop on my local network.

Now I get a message on Firefox on my laptop:
A username and password are being requested by
http://192.168.1.2:2222.
The site says:
"Input username AAA and your password"
http://i.imgur.com/QFmkpQZ.gif

The blue and white web page that pops up says "JoyFulPhone jDisk".
http://i.imgur.com/BSl4Z2r.gif

The upload button requires Flash (which isn't going to be on any
respectable Linux laptop). So, you can't upload with jDisk.
http://i.imgur.com/sqqBXVt.gif

The download button has only two choices, one of which requires
iTunes (which isn't going to be on any respectable laptop) and
the other choice is "as Zip", which, I guess, if that's the easiest
way, is fine to have to zip and unzip a file just to copy it
from iOS to a laptop on the local network.
http://i.imgur.com/vEkrU3Z.gif

However when you select "as Zip", it complains there was no
file selected, which is fair enough. So, how do you select a file?

There is a "Root" folder button, but it does nothing when you click
it. You can create a folder or text file in "Root", and that you
can download to Linux over WiFi, so, maybe you need to first populate
the "Root" folder of the jDisk app from the iOS iPad before you can
do anything?

I'll go back to the jDisk utility on the iPad and see if I can
populate it with a file from the iPad, but this seems like a
hellova lot of work just to transfer a file over WiFi from the
iOS device to any desired laptop on the local network.

[Lloyd Parsons]

On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 15:02:08 -0500, Paul M. Cook wrote:

> On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 14:29:45 -0500, nospam wrote:
>
>> you're a train wreck.
>
> You like to spout how easy things are on iOS until someone asks a basic
> question like how to transfer a single file to any one of their laptops
> via WiFi, and then suddenly, you can't say anything.
>
> Anyway, I found in jDisk settings where the port and password are set.
> The default port is 12345 and the default password is unset. But that
> won't work for FTP so I changed the port to 22,
> but even the web browser on Linux wouldn't connect to port 22 saying:
> "This address is restricted
> This address uses a network port which is normally used for purposes
> other than Web browsing.
> Firefox has canceled the request for your protection."
>
> That's fair enough, but then what filespec do I put in Nautilus so that
> it browses the iPad file system if this filespec failed?
> ftp://192.168.1.2:12345
>
> Looking more at jDisk, it seems to only be an "http" server, and not an
> FTP server. So that's bad news because getting files over an http index
> directory is just about as bad a user interface as can be imagined.
>

Yeah, it is so horrible to do it that way. But yet, Linux is literally
installed and configured getting files from http servers. Go figger.



--
Lloyd

[nospam]

In article
<1b943$564641c0$6c1fe631$13...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Paul M.

Cook <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:

>
> > you're a train wreck.
>
> You like to spout how easy things are on iOS until someone asks a
> basic question like how to transfer a single file to any one of
> their laptops via WiFi, and then suddenly, you can't say anything.

bullshit. stop lying.

numerous people have told you that it's easy to do *and* explained
various ways to do it.

you refuse to listen.

you just want to troll.

> Anyway, I found in jDisk settings where the port and password
> are set. The default port is 12345 and the default password is
> unset. But that won't work for FTP so I changed the port to 22,
> but even the web browser on Linux wouldn't connect to port 22
> saying:
> "This address is restricted
> This address uses a network port which is normally used
> for purposes other than Web browsing.
> Firefox has canceled the request for your protection."

as usual, you're trying to do it in the most fucked up way possible.

[sobriquet]

I have flash installed in the browser, so it worked for me
right away when I tested it out. Though flash is available for
linux.
Flash sucks, but it's still used by many websites.

[Paul M. Cook]

On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 19:33:20 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote:

> Heh. Yet using the insecure FTP protocol doesn't seem to concern you at
> all. You're a silly old man.

Actually, jDisk uses the http protocol, not FTP.

But jDisk doesn't look like a viable method anyway, as it can't upload,
it can only download.

And, even on download, it can only download a zip file, which is
kind'a crazy that you have to zip a photo on iOS just to transfer
that photo over WiFi using the jDisk iOS app.

Looking at the jDisk utility running in iOS, it's not even clear
*how* to populate it's "Root" folder anyway. When I click on the
screenshot I want to transfer, and press the "Share" button, there
is no option to share to jDisk.

At the top right of jDisk's GUI, is an almost invisible blue on green
"share" icon. If you tap that icon, you have four options:
1. Add Text File
2. Add Folder
3. Import Photos
4. Info

The GUI is almost incomprehensible. Remember, all we want to do is
transfer a single screenshot, and you have to notice there is no
selection for "Add a File".

So, I press "Import Photos", which asks for permission to access my
camera roll, and then I get a shot saying "Camera Roll (230".

Pressing it does nothing.
All you can do is hit "Done".

Having done that, nothing shows up in jDisk. Absolutely nothing.
The usability of this app leaves something to be desired (I'd show you
a screenshot but that's the kind of stuff I'm trying to bring over.)

Killing and restarting the app does nothing (as can be expected).
Trying to import the photos again just shows a totally blank screen
saying "choose photo".

Ok. I'd love to choose a photo. That's what I want to do. But nothing
shows up. Absolutely nothing.

Going back to the Linux laptop and putting the address into Firefox:
http://192.168.1.2:2222
and telling NoScript to allow scripts, we again get to the almost
blank blue JoyFulPhone web page.

Still, nothing shows up.

Unless there is something I missed, jDisk is also dead, just not
dead on arrival like FTP Server by Savy Soda was. Why you guys put
up with this crap is beyond me, since all I want to do is transfer
a single file.

[sobriquet]

It just shows how complicated apple has made simple tasks (like
exchanging arbitrary files between an ipad an another device
like a pc or smartphone) by design flaws in ios, like neglecting
to provide a decent file-explorer and a filesystem accessible to
*All* apps as well as the ipad user.

You have to rely on obscure apps like jdisk and even then you can run
into complications (like not having flash installed in the browser).

The clueless apple fanboys are always ready to jump on any thread
proclaiming how the ipad makes things simple, but they will
never come up with an actual suggestion of an app that actually
accomplishes a simple task (like exchanging arbitrary files) in a
reliable and convenient fashion.

[Paul M. Cook]

On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 19:27:03 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote:

> AirDrop does just that, and is better than anything you have available,
> silly troll. Your limitations are self-inflicted, old man.

So, all this talk was all a lie?

You knew all along that AirDrop doesn't work.

Either that, or you are an idiot if you think AirDrop can transfer
files to Linux laptops.

So, you're either an idiot, or a liar.

Choose one.

[nospam]

In article
<d05a4$5646469d$6c1fe631$13...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Paul M.

Cook <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:

>
> > Heh. Yet using the insecure FTP protocol doesn't seem to concern you at
> > all. You're a silly old man.
>
> Actually, jDisk uses the http protocol, not FTP.

it's still an incredibly stupid way to transfer a file.

either you're dumber than i thought or you're intentionally doing it to
troll.

...

> Unless there is something I missed,

there's a lot that you've missed.

> jDisk is also dead, just not
> dead on arrival like FTP Server by Savy Soda was. Why you guys put
> up with this crap is beyond me, since all I want to do is transfer
> a single file.

we don't put up with any crap and there's no need for any apps.

you're so very lost.

[nospam]

In article <e454e108-da32-4b2f...@googlegroups.com>,

sobriquet <dohd...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> It just shows how complicated apple has made simple tasks (like
> exchanging arbitrary files between an ipad an another device
> like a pc or smartphone) by design flaws in ios,

nonsense. it's as easy as it gets.

> like neglecting
> to provide a decent file-explorer and a filesystem accessible to
> *All* apps as well as the ipad user.

ios has moved beyond the limitations of file system.

you want to stagnate and keep doing things the old school way.

> You have to rely on obscure apps like jdisk and even then you can run
> into complications (like not having flash installed in the browser).

nonsense

> The clueless apple fanboys are always ready to jump on any thread
> proclaiming how the ipad makes things simple, but they will
> never come up with an actual suggestion of an app that actually
> accomplishes a simple task (like exchanging arbitrary files) in a
> reliable and convenient fashion.

it does make things simple and how to accomplish it has been explained
many times, without any apps.

[Paul M. Cook]

On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 14:27:09 -0500, nospam wrote:

> you haven't been reading a single thing that has been said in this
> thread and many other threads where it's been explained how.

Only two solutions were proposed in this thread so far:

1. AirDrop --> dead on arrival
2. jDisk --> dead on use

In addition, I tried to set up an FTP server (which works fine
for all other platforms). That was also dead on arrival (nothing
worked whatsoever).

Remember, all I want to do is something as simple as transferring
a file from my iPad to my laptop. That's a trivially simple task
on all other platforms that I use.

I tried everything suggested in this thread.
You say I didn't.

What solution did I miss that was suggested in this thread?

[Zaidy036]

On 11/13/2015 1:22 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> I'm trying to set up a single-tap ease of use for my iPad to
> transfer a file from the iPad over to my laptop over WiFi.
>
> On Android, I just tap a button and with the default free software
> and the file is transferred from Android to Linux automatically.
>
> I just want that same ease of use for my iPad.
>

> Googling, I find I can load a free app called "Feme" on both the
> linux laptop and the ipad, but that's a lot of effort just to
> something as simple as transferring a file from iOS to my laptop.
> http://techapple.net/2015/03/transfer-files-linux-iphone-ipad-feem-wifi/
>
> Googling further, I find mention of AirDrop, but it seems to be
> a charter member of the walled garden philosophy:
> http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/125407/airdrop-compatible
>
> Googling further, I find this set of "top five" apps to force the
> iOS operating system to share files without jailbreaking:
> http://www.geekersmagazine.com/2013/02/08/wifi-file-transfer-apps-for-iphone/
>

> I'll try to get something to work, but I don't expect it to be easy.
>

> I'll try to come up with the easiest method to copy a single file
> from iOS to my laptop over wifi and report back what I found out.
>

AirTransfer
DropBox

[Paul M. Cook]

On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 19:28:56 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote:

> For someone who claims to be technologically savvy, he's utterly
> clueless.

What's the solution then, if you know so much?

[nospam]

In article
<7343c$564647fb$6c1fe631$13...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Paul M.

Cook <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:

> > AirDrop does just that, and is better than anything you have available,
> > silly troll. Your limitations are self-inflicted, old man.
>
> So, all this talk was all a lie?
>
> You knew all along that AirDrop doesn't work.

it works great.

> Either that, or you are an idiot if you think AirDrop can transfer
> files to Linux laptops.

nobody said it can transfer to linux.

it's not apple's fault linux is stuck in the stone age.

however, linux is open source, so feel free to bring it up to date and
help out the world.

> So, you're either an idiot, or a liar.
>
> Choose one.

in your case, it's both.

[Paul M. Cook]

On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 19:22:21 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote:

> OpenSSH, duh.
> Then you can do SFTP rather than using completely insecure FTP.

Since all I want to do is transfer a file from my iPad upstairs to my
laptop downstairs in my house, I don't need encryption

I have nothing against encryption, but, if you say openSSH is the
solution, then that's what I'll use because I simply want to transfer
a file from my iPad to my laptop over WiFI.

Does installing an openSSH server need the iPad to be jailbroken?
If so, that's not a viable solution
Googling for OpenSSH servers for the iPad, I find:

SSH By ThroughPut Inc
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ssh/id287887578?mt=8

Serverauditor - SSH Shell / Console / Terminal By Crystalnix
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/serverauditor-ssh-shell-console/id549039908?mt=8

How to install openSSH on your iPhone
http://www.idownloadblog.com/2011/11/10/how-to-install-openssh-on-your-iphone/
(requires jailbreaking)

How to ssh into your iOS device
http://www.funkyspacemonkey.com/ssh-iphone-ipad-ipod-touch-running-ios-7-mac-windows-2
(requires jailbreaking)

I'm confused, since the question is simply how to transfer a file the
simplest way,and jailbreaking and adding encryption that isn't needed
don't seem to be in the spirit of the question.

[sobriquet]

I have to agree it's a bit retarded of jdisk to include the
step of zipping files when you want to get them from the ipad
to the pc (especially in case of a simple file), but then again,
if you want to get multiple attachments from an email to your
computer, it also often involves the step of zipping them
and downloading and extracting the zip file.

I've tested jdisk again and it works for me:

Here you can see in a series of screenshots I upload a zipfile
to the ipad:

http://i.imgur.com/cm0CHwK.png
http://i.imgur.com/fWoGGpN.png
http://i.imgur.com/kKDC7In.png
http://i.imgur.com/tXSH7pY.png

I've also tested it the other way by downloading a file from
the ipad to the computer (unzipping it with winrar).

It works, but I prefer not relying on obscure apps and
jailbreaking the ipad so I can use generic programs and I
have full ftp access via wifi.

[Paul M. Cook]

On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 11:40:17 -0800, Savageduck wrote:

> How many times do we have to go through the same old troll from you, or
> whatever sock you are wearing?

Are you a moron?

People here say it's easy to transfer a file from iOS to the computer
over the local WiFi network.

So, I *try* to transfer a file from my iPad over to my laptop over
my WiFi network.

If you know how to do that simple task, please say so.
Otherwise, you're just a moron or a troll.

Pick one.

[sobriquet]

Yes, the apple does make things simple, they just want to extract
cash from you for an icloud subscription.

It's simple as that. They have made it very hard and cumbersome
to store your files on the device, so people are harassed and
intimidated to store their files in the icloud instead so apple
can extract more cash from them with a monthly subscription
(because 5 gb of free icloudspace will obviously feel cramped if
you have a 128 gb ipad).

[Paul M. Cook]

On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 14:11:43 -0500, nospam wrote:

> why the fuck are you screwing around with ftp?

What do you suggest is the easiest way to transfer a simple
screenshot on my iPad to my Linux laptop over WiFI on the LAN?

[Jolly Roger]

On 2015-11-13, Paul M. Cook <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 14:29:45 -0500, nospam wrote:
>
>> you're a train wreck.
>
> You like to spout how easy things are on iOS until someone asks a
> basic question like how to transfer a single file to any one of
> their laptops via WiFi, and then suddenly, you can't say anything.

No, you really are a train wreck.

As anyone who has watched your posts knows well, you have been
told several times - you just discard or ignore it each time because you
are a hard-headed old man and you want to troll the Apple news groups
every chance you get, even going so far as to change your name over and
over again to try to avoid people's filters. That particular behavior is
so common a trait among internet trolls that there's a term for it: nym
shifting. Actions speak louder than words. You're a troll.

Anyway...

> Anyway, I found in jDisk settings where the port and password
> are set. The default port is 12345 and the default password is
> unset. But that won't work for FTP so I changed the port to 22,

LOL... You really are that clueless. It's funny watching you tell people
they are ignorant and idiots and then turn right around and say
something like this. I suppose you do at least provide occasional mild
entertainment; so you're not a *complete* waste of bandwidth in these
group. Anyhow, where to begin?...

1. FTP servers can and do work on any port you want. There's no real
restriction on the server side, and usually none on the client side
either.

2. Port 22 is used for SSH - not FTP. You silly guy. : D

3. A quick glance at the jDisk description on the App Store shows that
jDisk doesn't even use the FTP protocol - it's a web server (which is
standard fare for this type of app, as anyone who has used them knows).
Here's what it says:

manage your files/folders either using our device or from your computer
via your computer browser, no client is needed. it supports all
mainstream browsers, including:

* Internet Explorer 6+
* Firefox 3.6+
* Safari 4+
* Chrome 10+
* Opera 11+

You can't realistically expect a web server to talk to an FTP client.
That's not how the internet works. ; )

> but even the web browser on Linux wouldn't connect to port 22
> saying:
> "This address is restricted
> This address uses a network port which is normally used
> for purposes other than Web browsing.
> Firefox has canceled the request for your protection."

The reason this happened to you is because you used the SSH port rather
than the FTP (or another) port.

> That's fair enough, but then what filespec do I put in Nautilus
> so that it browses the iPad file system if this filespec failed?
> ftp://192.168.1.2:12345

It's not an FTP server. It's a web server.

[paragraphs of senseless blather omitted]

> this seems like a hellova lot of work just to transfer a file over
> WiFi from the iOS device to any desired laptop on the local network.

Because it is. Especially compared with the ease and speed with which
the rest of us transfer content on ours. So congratulations on finding
the most cumbersome, slow, misguided, and stupified method of doing
something on iOS. We should create an award for you or something to
commemorate the event.

[Jolly Roger]

And FTP is so much better, donchaknow!

[sobriquet]

On Friday, November 13, 2015 at 9:29:50 PM UTC+1, nospam wrote:

> In article <e454e108-da32-4b2f...@googlegroups.com>,
> sobriquet <dohd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > It just shows how complicated apple has made simple tasks (like
> > exchanging arbitrary files between an ipad an another device
> > like a pc or smartphone) by design flaws in ios,
>
> nonsense. it's as easy as it gets.
>
> > like neglecting
> > to provide a decent file-explorer and a filesystem accessible to
> > *All* apps as well as the ipad user.
>
> ios has moved beyond the limitations of file system.

That's so stupid. It's like taking off the wheels of a car
before selling it and when the consumer complains that the car
doesn't drive without the wheels, you tell them that your
car designers have moved beyond the limitations of wheels.

>
> you want to stagnate and keep doing things the old school way.
>
>
> > You have to rely on obscure apps like jdisk and even then you can run
> > into complications (like not having flash installed in the browser).
>
> nonsense
>
> > The clueless apple fanboys are always ready to jump on any thread
> > proclaiming how the ipad makes things simple, but they will
> > never come up with an actual suggestion of an app that actually
> > accomplishes a simple task (like exchanging arbitrary files) in a
> > reliable and convenient fashion.
>
> it does make things simple and how to accomplish it has been explained
> many times, without any apps.

It hasn't been explained, otherwise people would simply tell how
to do it, but they only claim it can be done without actually
substantiating those claims with a series of screenshots that
illustrate their claims have a factual basis.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2015-11-13, Paul M. Cook <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:

> On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 19:33:20 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> Heh. Yet using the insecure FTP protocol doesn't seem to concern you at
>> all. You're a silly old man.
>
> Actually, jDisk uses the http protocol, not FTP.

You're the one who wanted to use FTP from the start, dimwit.

> But jDisk doesn't look like a viable method anyway, as it can't upload,
> it can only download.

No, you are simply missing required software on your computer for upload
functionality, due to the way jDisk was written. Upoad works fine when
you have the required software, as others have already confirmed.

> And, even on download, it can only download a zip file, which is
> kind'a crazy that you have to zip a photo on iOS just to transfer
> that photo over WiFi using the jDisk iOS app.

Speak for yourself, old man. None of us have to do any such thing. For
us, we take the photo, and it's already available on our computer when
we sit down at the desk - without us having to lift a finger. Your
limitations are entirely self-imposed. The rest of us are already out
the door, old man!

> Why you guys put up with this crap is beyond me, since all I want to
> do is transfer a single file.

No, all you want to do is troll the Apple news groups. And if you'd stop
changing your name, or stop posting here altogether, we wouldn't have to
put up with your crap.

[nospam]

In article
<94ae4$56464de2$6c1fe631$13...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Paul M.

Cook <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:

> > why the fuck are you screwing around with ftp?
>
> What do you suggest is the easiest way to transfer a simple
> screenshot on my iPad to my Linux laptop over WiFI on the LAN?

it's been explained to you hundreds of times.

you aren't interested.

[nospam]

In article
<f26ac$56464bc3$6c1fe631$13...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Paul M.

Cook <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:

> Since all I want to do is transfer a file from my iPad upstairs to my
> laptop downstairs in my house, I don't need encryption

so what? using encryption is a good habit to have, even if it's not
needed, so that you don't accidentally use a non-encrypted method.

[nospam]

In article <ad037ddf-e80d-42ed...@googlegroups.com>,

sobriquet <dohd...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > > The clueless apple fanboys are always ready to jump on any thread
> > > proclaiming how the ipad makes things simple, but they will
> > > never come up with an actual suggestion of an app that actually
> > > accomplishes a simple task (like exchanging arbitrary files) in a
> > > reliable and convenient fashion.
> >
> > it does make things simple and how to accomplish it has been explained
> > many times, without any apps.
>
> Yes, the apple does make things simple, they just want to extract
> cash from you for an icloud subscription.

nonsense.

icloud is free for up to 5 gig with most stuff not counting against the
limit.

> It's simple as that. They have made it very hard and cumbersome
> to store your files on the device, so people are harassed and
> intimidated to store their files in the icloud instead so apple
> can extract more cash from them with a monthly subscription
> (because 5 gb of free icloudspace will obviously feel cramped if
> you have a 128 gb ipad).

nonsense.

[nospam]

In article
<87660$56464c5e$6c1fe631$13...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Paul M.

Cook <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:

> > How many times do we have to go through the same old troll from you, or
> > whatever sock you are wearing?
>
> Are you a moron?
>
> People here say it's easy to transfer a file from iOS to the computer
> over the local WiFi network.

and it is very easy.

> So, I *try* to transfer a file from my iPad over to my laptop over
> my WiFi network.

you went about it in the most fucked up possible way.

> If you know how to do that simple task, please say so.

it's been said hundreds of times in the past year or two.

you aren't interested in solutions. you only want to rant.

> Otherwise, you're just a moron or a troll.
>
> Pick one.

i pick both for you.

[nospam]

In article <b1efcc3f-7911-4f9a...@googlegroups.com>,

sobriquet <dohd...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > >
> > > It just shows how complicated apple has made simple tasks (like
> > > exchanging arbitrary files between an ipad an another device
> > > like a pc or smartphone) by design flaws in ios,
> >
> > nonsense. it's as easy as it gets.
> >
> > > like neglecting
> > > to provide a decent file-explorer and a filesystem accessible to
> > > *All* apps as well as the ipad user.
> >
> > ios has moved beyond the limitations of file system.
>
> That's so stupid.

it's not stupid at all.

direct manipulation of the file system has lot of limitations that no
longer are necessary.

it's time to move beyond that, which apple, microsoft, google, adobe
and others have done.

> It's like taking off the wheels of a car
> before selling it and when the consumer complains that the car
> doesn't drive without the wheels, you tell them that your
> car designers have moved beyond the limitations of wheels.

it's like taking the wheels off of a car because the car can fly and is
no longer limited to where roads happen to be and can travel quite a
bit faster, which means the owner has more time to do stuff rather than
sit in traffic or on a long road that isn't a direct path.

> > > The clueless apple fanboys are always ready to jump on any thread
> > > proclaiming how the ipad makes things simple, but they will
> > > never come up with an actual suggestion of an app that actually
> > > accomplishes a simple task (like exchanging arbitrary files) in a
> > > reliable and convenient fashion.
> >
> > it does make things simple and how to accomplish it has been explained
> > many times, without any apps.
>
> It hasn't been explained, otherwise people would simply tell how
> to do it, but they only claim it can be done without actually
> substantiating those claims with a series of screenshots that
> illustrate their claims have a factual basis.

it's been explained many, many times.

[Paul M. Cook]

On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 14:05:17 -0500, Paul M. Cook wrote:

> On the iPad, I installed FTP Server By Savy Soda
> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ftp-server/id346724641?mt=8

The advantage of an FTP server is that the native file managers
on Linux will accept the FTP protocol (it just works).

So, I tried FTP Server on the iPad again, and suddenly it worked,
saying the filespec was ftp://192.168.1.2:2121

It didn't mention the username or password, so I have to
assume it's anonymous (there is no setting that I can find to
see that or change that, so it's a pretty dumb iOS app).

While browsing an index directory from a web browse is just
about the worst interface imaginable, I just want to see what
it takes to simply transfer a file from iOS to Linux over WiFi.

Popping that filespec into a web browser on Linux gave something:
http://i.imgur.com/lIMpbIP.gif

But, there was no way do go up or down (see the error above).

There must be some way to *populate* files on the iPad into
a directory that the FTP server can access, but, at the moment
I don't know how yet (and there's nothing in the FTP Server GUI
which tells you how to do that).

[Lloyd Parsons]

Depends on what you have as data. Anything purchased on iTunes and iBook
doesn't count. If you need more space, 50Gb plan is $0.99/month and I
suspect quite large percentage of users find that to be more than enough.

But feel free to keep bitching about most things Apple. Does wonders for
your credibility.




--
Lloyd

[Jolly Roger]

On 2015-11-13, sobriquet <dohd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Friday, November 13, 2015 at 9:29:50 PM UTC+1, nospam wrote:
>> In article <e454e108-da32-4b2f...@googlegroups.com>,
>> sobriquet <dohd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The clueless apple fanboys are always ready to jump on any thread
>>> proclaiming how the ipad makes things simple, but they will
>>> never come up with an actual suggestion of an app that actually
>>> accomplishes a simple task (like exchanging arbitrary files) in a
>>> reliable and convenient fashion.
>>
>> it does make things simple and how to accomplish it has been explained
>> many times, without any apps.
>
> Yes, the apple does make things simple, they just want to extract
> cash from you for an icloud subscription.

You're just as clueless about Apple topics as "Paul".

1. iOS users don't need to store things in the cloud just to transfer
them between devices. For instance I can transfer a photo I just took to
my wife without any internet connection over a P2P WiFi connection with
a single tap.

2. iCloud is FREE for the first 5 GB, which is plenty of space. So
Apple's not extracting cash from anyone on that front either.

> It's simple as that. They have made it very hard and cumbersome to
> store your files on the device

Actually, it's not hard at all. I do it all the time with ease.

> so people are harassed and intimidated

If you truly feel harassed and intimidated by a device you own, you
should seek professional help. And if you dislike the way it works, get
rid of it and get something better. You'll be happier. You could
probably sell it to someone who will love it. I can assure you the rest
of us are happy and productive with ours.

> to store their files in the icloud instead so apple can extract more
> cash from them with a monthly subscription (because 5 gb of free
> icloudspace will obviously feel cramped if you have a 128 gb ipad).

There you go again showing that you are completely ignorant about the
way iCloud works and how people use it.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2015-11-13, Paul M. Cook <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 19:27:03 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> AirDrop does just that, and is better than anything you have available,
>> silly troll. Your limitations are self-inflicted, old man.
>
> So, all this talk was all a lie?

The one lying here is you.

> You knew all along that AirDrop doesn't work.

AirDrop works fine. I use it all the time.

> Either that, or you are an idiot if you think AirDrop can transfer
> files to Linux laptops.

Never said it could. I've noticed you seem have a lot of trouble
following conversations.

> So, you're either an idiot, or a liar.
>
> Choose one.

I choose: You're a dimwit troll.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2015-11-13, Paul M. Cook <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:

There's no problem to solve. I already transfer stuff between all of my
devices and computers with ease and speed.

[nospam]

In article
<18dc1$564651e7$6c1fe631$13...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Paul M.

Cook <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:

> The advantage of an FTP server is that the native file managers
> on Linux will accept the FTP protocol (it just works).

the disadvantage is you're stuck with an outdated protocol that is a
pain to use and inherently not secure.

the world has moved beyond that.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2015-11-13, Paul M. Cook <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 19:22:21 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote:

>> On 2015-11-13, Paul M. Cook <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:
>>> So what is a free app that actually works, to run an FTP server on
>>> iOS?

>>
>> OpenSSH, duh.
>> Then you can do SFTP rather than using completely insecure FTP.
>
> Since all I want to do is transfer a file from my iPad upstairs to my
> laptop downstairs in my house, I don't need encryption

Translation: "I'm already used to using FTP, and by god I'm going to
continue using it, security concerns and so on be damned."

> I have nothing against encryption, but, if you say openSSH is the
> solution, then that's what I'll use because I simply want to transfer
> a file from my iPad to my laptop over WiFI.

The "solution"? You asked how to run an FTP server on iOS, and I told
you the best way to do that: install OpenSSH and access it with SFTP.
The only reason *you* have to go through such nonsense is because you
shun newer and better technologies and cling to your outdated toys
instead.

> Does installing an openSSH server need the iPad to be jailbroken?

Yep.

> If so, that's not a viable solution

Perfectly viable for me. I've done it many, many times over the years.

> I'm confused

Big time.

> since the question is simply how to transfer a file the
> simplest way

AirDrop is the ultimate simplest and fastest method.

> and jailbreaking and adding encryption that isn't needed
> don't seem to be in the spirit of the question.

Bullshit, liar. The question, which you conveniently trimmed and I have
added back to this reply, was "what is a free app that actually works,
to run an FTP server on iOS", and that's *exactly* what installing
OpenSSH and accessing the device with SFTP does.

Question answered.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2015-11-13, Paul M. Cook <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:

> On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 11:40:17 -0800, Savageduck wrote:
>
>> How many times do we have to go through the same old troll from you, or
>> whatever sock you are wearing?
>
> Are you a moron?

No, that would be you.

> People here say it's easy to transfer a file from iOS to the computer
> over the local WiFi network.

And it is.

> So, I *try* to transfer a file from my iPad over to my laptop over
> my WiFi network.

Life is harder for you because you use Linux. This is of your own
choosing. Man up and deal with it instead of whining about it like a big
baby. Some Linux user you are! Real Linux users solve problems on their
own - everyone knows that. You give Linux users a bad name.

> If you know how to do that simple task, please say so.

AirDrop. In fact I just did it for the fuck of it. Took me 2 seconds.

> Otherwise, you're just a moron or a troll.
>
> Pick one.

You should pick both.

[Paul M. Cook]

On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 16:23:02 -0500, nospam wrote:

> the disadvantage is you're stuck with an outdated protocol that is a
> pain to use and inherently not secure.
>
> the world has moved beyond that.

Hi nospam,
I just read some of my posts, and I responded to your jeers in not
a nice way so I apologize.

I'll stay on topic - and I will try to get the task done that is in
the subject line.

On Android, the FTP protocol works in a sophisticated way, where
my file browser (Nautilus) has no problem using a file spec of
ftp://192.168.1.2:2121. In fact, once I type that in a single time,
my browser *remembers* it, and automatically mounts my Android
device when I click on it. All over WiFi, and without having to
do anything (the ftp server can run in the background on Android).

That's pretty sophisticated.
Even if the underlying protocol is FTP.

I just want the same functionality for my iPad.
It's OK to use a web browser to *test* the functionality though.
http://i.imgur.com/lIMpbIP.gif

While this shows I can *connect to the iPad's FTP server, what I
haven't been able to figure out yet is how to access the iPad's
file system.

On Android, I can see the entire file system.

I don't expect that kind of access for an iPad, but, I should at
least be able to see my videos (inside of VLC's documents directory)
and my photos and screenshots, right?

So far, I haven't even been able to transfer a single screenshot
from the iPad to Linux over WiFi to show you what it looks like.

The problem is that the FTP server needs to have something populated.
But what?

[Savageduck]

On 2015-11-13 20:31:48 +0000, Zaidy036 <Zaid...@isp.spam> said:

> On 11/13/2015 1:22 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>> I'm trying to set up a single-tap ease of use for my iPad to
>> transfer a file from the iPad over to my laptop over WiFi.
>>
>> On Android, I just tap a button and with the default free software
>> and the file is transferred from Android to Linux automatically.
>>
>> I just want that same ease of use for my iPad.
>>
>> Googling, I find I can load a free app called "Feme" on both the
>> linux laptop and the ipad, but that's a lot of effort just to
>> something as simple as transferring a file from iOS to my laptop.
>> http://techapple.net/2015/03/transfer-files-linux-iphone-ipad-feem-wifi/
>>
>> Googling further, I find mention of AirDrop, but it seems to be
>> a charter member of the walled garden philosophy:
>> http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/125407/airdrop-compatible
>>
>> Googling further, I find this set of "top five" apps to force the
>> iOS operating system to share files without jailbreaking:
>> http://www.geekersmagazine.com/2013/02/08/wifi-file-transfer-apps-for-iphone/
>>
>> I'll try to get something to work, but I don't expect it to be easy.
>>
>> I'll try to come up with the easiest method to copy a single file
>> from iOS to my laptop over wifi and report back what I found out.
>>
> AirTransfer
> DropBox

Add iMazing:
<https://imazing.com>

However, our nymshifting troll wants free and Linux, but fails to
accept that Apple and iOS couldn't give a damn about Linux and is not
likely to give him what he wants.

--
Regards,

Savageduck

[Savageduck]

On 2015-11-13 20:47:26 +0000, "Paul M. Cook" <pmc...@gte.net> said:

> On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 11:40:17 -0800, Savageduck wrote:
>
>> How many times do we have to go through the same old troll from you, or
>> whatever sock you are wearing?
>
> Are you a moron?

It is obvious as to who in this room is a moron.

> People here say it's easy to transfer a file from iOS to the computer
> over the local WiFi network.

I do it all the time, but I don't use Linux.

>
> So, I *try* to transfer a file from my iPad over to my laptop over
> my WiFi network.
>
> If you know how to do that simple task, please say so.

I do using several different ways, none of which include a destination
laptop driven by Linux.
Dropbox
iCloud/iCloud Drive
Adobe Creative Cloud
Photo Transfer App
iMazing <https://imazing.com>
and a few more.

> Otherwise, you're just a moron or a troll.

We all know who the troll in this thread is. Besides, I have been
called worse names, nice try.
>
> Pick one.


--
Regards,

Savageduck

[Jolly Roger]

On 2015-11-13, Paul M. Cook <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:
>
> On Android, the FTP protocol works in a sophisticated way

Haha! Nothing about FTP can reasonably be described as sophisticated.

> where my file browser (Nautilus) has no problem using a file spec of
> ftp://192.168.1.2:2121.

That's not a file spec. It's a URI. And all major operating systems can
use them.

> In fact, once I type that in a single time, my browser *remembers* it

Imagine that. A web browser that *remembers* which URIs you have
visited!

> and automatically mounts my Android device when I click on it.

And lets you click things to go back to where you were!!

> All over WiFi,

A web browser that works over WiFi? What sorcery is this?!

> and without having to do anything (the ftp server can run in the
> background on Android).

Bull! You had to install and start an FTP server, and run a web browser.

> That's pretty sophisticated.

No, it's not sophisticated - at all.

Here's sophisticated: You are about to clock out from a long day at
work, and you hear a song on the internet radio station you are
listening to. You purchase the album on your computer. You leave work,
get in your car, and the album is automatically available there to
listen to on your way home. As soon as you purchased the album, your
wife was instantly able to listen to it on her phone/computer/tablet
too. When you get home, the media player you have connected to your
entertainment system automatically has access to it as well. All without
you having to lift a finger or even think about transferring files here
and there. That's sophisticated, and millions of Apple customers do it
all the time.

> Even if the underlying protocol is FTP.

FTP is an ancient, outdated, cumbersome, and insecure protocol.

> I just want the same functionality for my iPad.

You want to run crappy outdated services on a modern device where newer
and better things have replaced them.

I already told you how to run an SFTP server on your iPad (use SFTP from
OpenSSH) which is *much* more secure than FTP, but you wrote that off
saying you couldn't do it and you didn't need the security. : D

> It's OK to use a web browser to *test* the functionality though.
> http://i.imgur.com/lIMpbIP.gif
>
> While this shows I can *connect to the iPad's FTP server, what I
> haven't been able to figure out yet is how to access the iPad's
> file system.

You would have full access to the entire file system if you had
installed OpenSSH as I instructed.

> On Android, I can see the entire file system.

On iOS, I can see the entire file system. Funny that you have failed
where I have succeeded, yet you say I'm the one who is ignorant and an
idiot.

> I don't expect that kind of access for an iPad

That's silly. It's completely possible.

> So far, I haven't even been able to transfer a single screenshot
> from the iPad to Linux over WiFi to show you what it looks like.

You do seem to fail a *lot* at very basic computing tasks - likely
because you are resistant to change and you refuse to learn how things
are meant to work.

> The problem is that the FTP server needs to have something populated.
> But what?

Magic jelly beans, probably.

[Paul M. Cook]

On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 16:09:34 -0500, nospam wrote:

> it's been explained to you hundreds of times.
> you aren't interested

I'm gonna ignore the jibes and be nice and focused only on
the technical answer so that I can transfer a file from
the iPad to my laptop on the LAN over WiFi.

What has been explained is "iTunes", which we all know
stands zero chance of working.

Likewise, "AirDrop" isn't going to work on Linux.

The suggested FTP server stands a chance of working, especially
since Linux interfaces seamlessly and graphically, with FTP
protocols.

I don't see the need for the SSH server that JR suggested,
but I was setting one up anyway when the kids claimed the iPad
to watch youtube and play games (pretty much, that's all the iPad
does for them).

So, I can test with the iPad again when they tire of it, but,
you guys keep saying it's so easy to transfer a file but when
I google for how, the articles all say it's not easy.

Plus, when I ask you how, you give me nothing of use.
I mean, the cloud isn't the question (you may as well tell me
how to make lasagna, as it's not the answer to the question).

Likewise with Airdrop. You may as well tell me to pour diesel
into a gas engine. It too isn't going to work (unless you know
something about Linux that I don't know).

So, it turns out that even after an hour or so of trying, I
still can't bring my screenshot over to Linux for further
editing and processing using WiFI (cable works fine, but that
was never the question).

[Davoud]

In article Paul M. Cook:

> I'm trying to set up a single-tap ease of use for my iPad to

> transfer a file from the iPad over to my laptop over WiFi.

It might help to know what kind of file it is.

--
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

[Jolly Roger]

Paul M. Cook <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:
>

> So, it turns out that even after an hour or so of trying, I
> still can't bring my screenshot over to Linux

You are so productive!! Go you!

[Paul M. Cook]

On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 02:29:11 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote:

>
> You are so productive!! Go you!

And you only know how to work inside your walled garden.
Some programmer you are!

Ooops. I said I was gonna ignore the jibes and be nice.
...retry follows ...

Thank you for your kind encouragement, and for your openSSH
suggestion.

When the kids tire of the iPad, I will see if I can install
an openSSH server, and then I will try to figure out how to
graphically push the screenshot file from the iPad over to
the Linux laptop downstairs.

As a note of caution, I recently asked the same question of the
Android newsgroup, and their answers were entirely supportive
and helpful. This newsgroup is, basically, the opposite of
the Android group in that regard.

[Paul M. Cook]

On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 00:33:31 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote:

> Bull! You had to install and start an FTP server,
> and run a web browser.

Hi Mr. Jolly Roger.

Since you're such a nice guy, I'll show you a screenshot of what I
was talking about, since you seem to be one-track minded to think
that only a *web* browser can *graphically* access the Android file
system via the FTP protocol.

Look at this screenshot which was posted to the Android newsgroup:
http://i.imgur.com/O8O4V4a.gif

Does that look like a "web" browser to you?
Nope. It's my default file system browser on Linux (Nautilus).
And yes, that's the Android file system displayed to the right.

Using that FTP protocol, my Linux file system browser has the power of
read/write access, both ways, just like God intended us to have.

At all times, my Android phone is "mounted" to my Linux desktop.
Wow. That's power.

All I want is the *same* power, for my iPad.
Is that too much to ask?

The Android group was *very* helpful and supportive.
This iPad group is the diametric opposite.

I don't know if you guys don't know anything (about getting *out* of
the walled garden) or if you consider it a dire threat that anyone
would contemplate crossing the wall of the walled garden.

It doesn't sound like you actually know *how* to cross the garden wall
like the Android guys did (they all knew their stuff!).

Here are the instructions the Android group kindly provided:
============================================================================
How to copy a file from Android to Linux wirelessly using WiFi & Nautilus:

1. On Android, install "WiFi FTP Server" by Medha Apps Tools
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.medhaapps.wififtpserver
2. On Android, start the WiFi FTP Server and check the settings
3. Defaults are port 2221;login=android;password=android;root=/;rw access;
4. Note that, by default, anonymous access is allowed
5. On Android, press the WiFi FTP Server "START" button.
6. Notice the "Server URL" that results, e.g., ftp://192.168.1.11:2221
7. On Linux, start "Nautilus" & press the "Connect to Server" button
8. A form pops up asking for the "Server Address"
9. Type ftp://192.168.1.11:2221 into the Server Address & press "Connect"
10. A form to "Enter password" will pop up, set to "Anonymous".
11. Either leave it at anonymous or type in the login/password above
12. You should soon graphically see, in Nautilus, your Android root folder

On Linux, you can now browse and copy and paste your Android files using
the same graphical file browser you use on Linux every day.

From Linux' standpoint, the "pwd" of the root directory on Android is:
/run/user/1000/gvfs/ftp:host=192.168.1.11,port=2221/

I had never *seen* a filespec such as that, and didn't even realize it
was legal, but, there it is (it even works at the command line but you
may need to turn off the prompt because it's inherently too long).

$ cd /run/user/1000/gvfs/ftp:host=192.168.1.11,port=2221/mnt/extSdCard/
DCIM/Camera/
$ cp 20151105_115511.jpg /tmp

That worked!
This is great!
There are actually four different solutions that work well:
1. WiFi FTP Server on Android; Nautilus file manager on Linux.
2. ES File Explorer FTP Server on Android; Nautilus file manager on Linux.
3. Samba on Linux & then on Android, use ES File Explorer as the GUI.
4. KDE Connect on both Linux & Android
============================================================================
Next I will try to get the iPad working as seamlessly as does Android!
============================================================================

[Jolly Roger]

Paul M. Cook <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 02:29:11 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> You are so productive!! Go you!
>
> And you only know how to work inside your walled garden.

Bullshit. I run circles around you on all of the above platforms, old man.
You've been futzing around for days trying to transfer a file. It's not
rocket science. It is you who stubbornly refuses to use newer technologies
in favor of grandpa technologies - like running a fucking FTP server on a
mobile device just to do something as trivial as transfer something to or
from the device.

> Some programmer you are!

I am paid very well for my software development skills on multiple
platforms.

> Ooops. I said I was gonna ignore the jibes and be nice.

You lie all the time; so nothing new there.

> I recently asked the same question of the
> Android newsgroup, and their answers were entirely supportive
> and helpful. This newsgroup is, basically, the opposite of
> the Android group in that regard.

Yeah. We don't take kindly to asshole trolls who come here and spew
complete lies and bullshit I multiple threads under a new nun each time
like you. You can fuck off for all we care. We'd be perfectly happy never
to hear from you again.

[Paul M. Cook]

On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 16:09:33 -0500, nospam wrote:

> so what? using encryption is a good habit to have, even if it's not
> needed, so that you don't accidentally use a non-encrypted method.

I said I had nothing against encryption (either way).

Encryption is NOT in the spirit of the question though.

It's like asking how to make a shoebox to put coins in and you insist
that the only way to store money is in a bank vault.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2015-11-14, Paul M. Cook <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 00:33:31 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> Bull! You had to install and start an FTP server,
>> and run a web browser.
>
> Hi Mr. Jolly Roger.

Hi Mr Dipshit Troll.

> since you seem to be one-track minded to think
> that only a *web* browser can *graphically* access the Android file
> system via the FTP protocol.

I never said any such thing, liar. Fuck off.

> Look at this screenshot which was posted to the Android newsgroup:
> http://i.imgur.com/O8O4V4a.gif

Butt fucking ugly, yep.

> Does that look like a "web" browser to you?

Of course not. Anyone with a clue knows it's a crappy Linux file manager.

> Nope. It's my default file system browser on Linux (Nautilus).

Duh.

> And yes, that's the Android file system displayed to the right.

Woooooo...

> Using that FTP protocol, my Linux file system browser has the power of
> read/write access, both ways, just like God intended us to have.

Yes, yes, the ancient crappy cumbersome insecure FTP protocol is your
savior. We get it.

> At all times, my Android phone is "mounted" to my Linux desktop.
> Wow. That's power.

You wouldn't know true power if it slapped you in the face.

> All I want is the *same* power, for my iPad.
> Is that too much to ask?

Apparently it is too much for you to figure out, dimwit. Meanwhile I
slide content between my computers and mobile devices with ease and
speed, and without having to do something idiotic like installing a
freaking FTP server on all of my mobile devices. Talk about stuck in the
past!

BTW, I had SFTP up and running on my iOS devices *years* ago. So I know
full well exactly what is required. A child can do it. It's brain dead
easy. The only thing stopping you is your stubborn stupidity.

> The Android group was *very* helpful and supportive.

Because you don't troll them like you do the Apple news groups.

> This iPad group is the diametric opposite.

We don't take kindly to asshole trolls here. Go away.

> I don't know if you guys don't know anything

You're the one who proves time and again you are completely clueless and
misguided about technology.

> (about getting *out* of the walled garden)

The so-called walled garden doesn't prevent me from getting shit done.
You, on the other hand, have spent *days* now in the Apple news groups
futzing around and trolling, and are *still* unable to transfer a
fucking file from your mobile device to your computer - something we do
effortlessly. Lame.

> or if you consider it a dire threat that anyone
> would contemplate crossing the wall of the walled garden.

Bullshit. You're the one who balks at jail breaking your device. The
rest of us have absolutely no problem doing that and more with our
devices. You are the one who has been defeated by his own stubborn
refusal to embrace technology.

> It doesn't sound like you actually know *how* to cross the garden wall
> like the Android guys did (they all knew their stuff!).

I already told you how. Install OpenSSH. That was hours and hours ago
and you *still* haven't figured it out.

> Here are the instructions the Android group kindly provided:

Nobody here cares about your idiotic inefficient procedures that go out
of their way to make what should be a simple thing into as complex a
procedure as possible.

[idiotic steps showing how to install a fucking FTP server on your mobile device
just to transfer a file omitted]

> That worked!
> This is great!

No, it's actually pretty pathetic compared to the ultra simple way I
transfer stuff all the time. You're hopelessly stuck in the past,
gramps.

[Jolly Roger]

You are again full of shit. You demanded to be able to FTP shit to your
mobile device, and you were told how to easily do that by installing
OpenSSH and transferring the files with SFTP. Then you turned right
around and balked that you don't need the security provided by OpenSSH.
Troll on.

[sobriquet]

Shouldn't make any difference what kind of file it is.
The task is simply the ability to transfer a file over wifi
between a pc or mobile device (running linux, windows, osx,
android or whatever) and an ipad.

The jDisk app does this and I've verified that it works and illustrated
this with screenshots.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2015-11-14, sobriquet <dohd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Saturday, November 14, 2015 at 2:17:33 AM UTC+1, Davoud wrote:
>> In article Paul M. Cook:
>> > I'm trying to set up a single-tap ease of use for my iPad to
>> > transfer a file from the iPad over to my laptop over WiFi.
>>
>> It might help to know what kind of file it is.
>>

> Shouldn't make any difference what kind of file it is.
> The task is simply the ability to transfer a file over wifi
> between a pc or mobile device (running linux, windows, osx,
> android or whatever) and an ipad.
>
> The jDisk app does this and I've verified that it works and illustrated
> this with screenshots.

Multiple apps can do that, and the resident idiot troll *still* hasn't
figured out how to do this very simple task.

[nospam]

In article
<bd0fd$56467102$6c1fe631$66...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Paul M.

Cook <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:

> On Android, the FTP protocol works in a sophisticated way, where
> my file browser (Nautilus) has no problem using a file spec of
> ftp://192.168.1.2:2121. In fact, once I type that in a single time,
> my browser *remembers* it, and automatically mounts my Android
> device when I click on it. All over WiFi, and without having to
> do anything (the ftp server can run in the background on Android).
>
> That's pretty sophisticated.

actually it isn't at all sophisticated.

[nospam]

In article
<b3e5$5646a80b$6c1fe631$94...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Paul M.

Cook <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:

> Using that FTP protocol, my Linux file system browser has the power of
> read/write access, both ways, just like God intended us to have.
>
> At all times, my Android phone is "mounted" to my Linux desktop.
> Wow. That's power.

actually it isn't.

> All I want is the *same* power, for my iPad.
> Is that too much to ask?

the problem is that any time you ask and are given an answer, you
ignore the answer and continue ranting that whatever was just described
is not possible.

there are a number of options available, but you aren't interested in
any of them.

[nospam]

In article
<73672$564684d4$6c1fe631$66...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Paul M.

Cook <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:

> > it's been explained to you hundreds of times.
> > you aren't interested
>
> I'm gonna ignore the jibes and be nice and focused only on
> the technical answer so that I can transfer a file from
> the iPad to my laptop on the LAN over WiFi.
>
> What has been explained is "iTunes", which we all know
> stands zero chance of working.

itunes could work, but it's for this particular task, it's not the best
option.

for something like syncing music and video, itunes works exceptionally
well.

use the right tool for the job.

> Likewise, "AirDrop" isn't going to work on Linux.

that's a limitation of linux.

> The suggested FTP server stands a chance of working, especially
> since Linux interfaces seamlessly and graphically, with FTP
> protocols.

ftp is primitive and insecure. at a *minimum*, you should be using sftp.

> I don't see the need for the SSH server that JR suggested,
> but I was setting one up anyway when the kids claimed the iPad
> to watch youtube and play games (pretty much, that's all the iPad
> does for them).

that's actually a convoluted solution and not at all ideal, but you
like convoluted solutions that aren't ideal.

> So, I can test with the iPad again when they tire of it, but,
> you guys keep saying it's so easy to transfer a file but when
> I google for how, the articles all say it's not easy.

then you need to learn how to search more effectively so you get useful
results.

> Plus, when I ask you how, you give me nothing of use.
> I mean, the cloud isn't the question (you may as well tell me
> how to make lasagna, as it's not the answer to the question).

i never mentioned the cloud. other people have, however.

regardless, it's yet another option and works quite well.

> Likewise with Airdrop. You may as well tell me to pour diesel
> into a gas engine. It too isn't going to work (unless you know
> something about Linux that I don't know).

it's time to ditch linux and step up to something more powerful.

you're being held back by a primitive and stagnating operating system.

> So, it turns out that even after an hour or so of trying, I
> still can't bring my screenshot over to Linux for further
> editing and processing using WiFI (cable works fine, but that
> was never the question).

that's a limitation of your own making.

anyway, imagine this scenario:
launch an app on the ipad, open a file, edit and then save it with the
file on a remote server, *without* needing to copy it. it's opened
directly

now, imagine this scenario:
tap on a photo in the camera roll, tap share and sftp it to wherever
you want. while airdrop is the fastest and easiest, sftp is second
best.

the cool part is those are both reality.

[nospam]

In article
<d46e4$5646b9b0$6c1fe631$94...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Paul M.

sort of.

it's more like putting coins in a shoebox and hiding it behind a tree
in the yard under some leaves.

that works great until the kids up the street notice it.

given your sheer paranoia about everyone tracking your movements, i
would think you'd want *every* connection you make to be encrypted.

[sobriquet]

On Saturday, November 14, 2015 at 6:24:35 AM UTC+1, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2015-11-14, sobriquet <dohd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 14, 2015 at 2:17:33 AM UTC+1, Davoud wrote:
> >> In article Paul M. Cook:
> >> > I'm trying to set up a single-tap ease of use for my iPad to
> >> > transfer a file from the iPad over to my laptop over WiFi.
> >>
> >> It might help to know what kind of file it is.
> >>
> > Shouldn't make any difference what kind of file it is.
> > The task is simply the ability to transfer a file over wifi
> > between a pc or mobile device (running linux, windows, osx,
> > android or whatever) and an ipad.
> >
> > The jDisk app does this and I've verified that it works and illustrated
> > this with screenshots.
>
> Multiple apps can do that, and the resident idiot troll *still* hasn't
> figured out how to do this very simple task.

Well, is there any one that doesn't rely on flash?

I can exchange files via wifi between my ipad and pc with jdisk, but
when I try to exchange files with my android phone, I run into the
issue that flash isn't supported by android.

On my android phone, this wifi filebrowser app seems to work
similar to jdisk but it doesn't rely on flash as far as I can see:

http://i.imgur.com/IKqUMhe.png

[Paul M. Cook]

On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 00:40:17 -0500, nospam wrote:

> it's time to ditch linux and step up to something more powerful.

Two thoughts come to mind, since *that* is your solution.

1. You have no idea how powerful Linux is, and,
2. You have even less of an idea of how to solve the problem.

It's shocking how little iOS can do, when compared with Android
(where FOUR separate working solutions were tested & even more
were proposed).

On the iOS side, all you can say is "ditch linux".
That's your solution?

That says a lot about the severe limitations of the walled garden.

[Paul M. Cook]

On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 05:00:59 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote:

> You wouldn't know true power if it slapped you in the face.

Heh heh ...

Says the guy who has absolutely no idea of the answer to the
question.

On the Android group, four solutions were tested and many more
were proposed.

On this group, ZERO solutions worked, and the best solution
is to "ditch linux", apparently because "true power" is in iOS.

heh heh ...

Wow. I think you actually believe that, which simply means you
don't even realize how limited you are. You live in flatland.

Clearly you are not a programmer, even though you style yourself
as one, if you can't even get a single file to transfer from iOS
to Linux over WiFi.

[Paul M. Cook]

On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 00:40:15 -0500, nospam wrote:

> the problem is that any time you ask and are given an answer, you
> ignore the answer and continue ranting that whatever was just described
> is not possible.

Sometimes I wonder if you even remember what you wrote just a few
minutes ago.


Ummm... REMINDER... *your* answer was to "ditch linux".

[Paul M. Cook]

On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 00:40:15 -0500, nospam wrote:

> actually it isn't at all sophisticated.

It's a lot more than can be done with iOS.

On iOS, you can't even transfer a file to the computer over
wifi without jailbreaking the darn thing.

[Paul M. Cook]

On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 05:02:41 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote:

> You are again full of shit. You demanded to be able to FTP shit to your
> mobile device, and you were told how to easily do that by installing
> OpenSSH and transferring the files with SFTP. Then you turned right
> around and balked that you don't need the security provided by OpenSSH.
> Troll on.

Does your proposed method require jailbreaking?
(When I google it, that seems to be the case.)

[nospam]

In article
<6e021$5646cf08$6c1fe631$11...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Paul

M. Cook <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:


> > the problem is that any time you ask and are given an answer, you
> > ignore the answer and continue ranting that whatever was just described
> > is not possible.
>
> Sometimes I wonder if you even remember what you wrote just a few
> minutes ago.

i do.

> Ummm... REMINDER... *your* answer was to "ditch linux".

it was one of the suggestions.

there were others. you snipped them, as usual, and are ranting like a
lunatic.

[nospam]

In article
<b6fb3$5646cf38$6c1fe631$11...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Paul

M. Cook <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:

>
> > actually it isn't at all sophisticated.
>
> It's a lot more than can be done with iOS.

you once again snipped out the context.

> On iOS, you can't even transfer a file to the computer over
> wifi without jailbreaking the darn thing.

troll.

that is pure bullshit, as has been explained to you many many times.

[nospam]

In article
<ebe9a$5646cdfe$6c1fe631$11...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Paul

M. Cook <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 00:40:17 -0500, nospam wrote:
>
> > it's time to ditch linux and step up to something more powerful.
>
> Two thoughts come to mind, since *that* is your solution.
>
> 1. You have no idea how powerful Linux is, and,

actually i do.

linux is great for servers, but for desktop use it's *very* limiting
for many, many reasons.

> 2. You have even less of an idea of how to solve the problem.

wrong on that too. i have given a number of solutions but you aren't
interested in solutions. you only want to rant.

> It's shocking how little iOS can do, when compared with Android
> (where FOUR separate working solutions were tested & even more
> were proposed).

you haven't tried any of the proposed solutions.

all you're doing is coming up with bizarro ways that would never work.

> On the iOS side, all you can say is "ditch linux".
> That's your solution?

yes it is.

it would instantly eliminate *all* of the issues you've been having
with using ios devices for the last couple of years.

but you don't want to actually *do* anything. you just want to rant.

however, the problem isn't actually linux. it's you. you need to ditch
your closed-mindedness and fucked up ideas about the computing world.

as i said before, lots of solutions have been proposed but you aren't
interested in any of them. you ignore whatever has been suggested and
then try to come up with something that is guaranteed to fail so you
can keep on ranting.

> That says a lot about the severe limitations of the walled garden.

the only walls are the ones *you* built.

[Paul M. Cook]

On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 00:40:18 -0500, nospam wrote:

> given your sheer paranoia about everyone tracking your movements, i
> would think you'd want *every* connection you make to be encrypted.

How many times do I have to say I have nothing against encryption.
I use it all the time (what do you think I'm using when I post this,
for heaven's sake?). Answer = encryption

I'm just saying you guys can't propose a simple solution to
*anything*.

Everything you come up with is the most complicated solution
imaginable.

And, for the *simplest* of possible problems, no less.

On the Android side, the solution is simple.
And there are four of them that worked (and a half dozen more proposed).
There are SO MANY SOLUTIONS on Android that I couldn't test them all.

On iOS, the only solution that stands a chance is JR's suggestion
of jailbreaking the device, then installing an openSSh server, then
with a lousy text interface on the Linux laptop, sftp the files
over from the iOS device.

That's the *best* you can come up with to simply transfer a file
from my iOS device to a computer on my network?

If that's the only answer that will work (all the others fail
before you even finish the sentence), then that's what I'll do,
but, even you have to see how limited iOS is compared to Android
even for accomplishing the simplest of tasks.

I don't think you even realize how complex iOS makes everything.

[Paul M. Cook]

On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 12:45:06 -0800, sobriquet wrote:

> I've tested jdisk again and it works for me:

Thank you for the screenshots.
I'd be perfectly happy if I could get jDisk to actually work.

Looking at your screenshots, it seems that "upload" is the process
to take a file off the iOS device to put it onto the computer.

Is that correct?
If so, my problem with upload is that I don't have flash on my
laptop (for obvious security reasons).

But, I can install flash, at least temporarily, in order to
test out jDisk.

Another difference between your screenshots and mine is that you
have items in what jDisk calls the "root" folder.

What *is* that root folder anyway?
And, how did you get files into it?

Thanks for your help and advice.
You seem to be the only one who actually does what he says he does.
And who knows what he's doing.

[nospam]

In article
<d83a9$5646d0f3$6c1fe631$11...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Paul

M. Cook <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:

> > given your sheer paranoia about everyone tracking your movements, i
> > would think you'd want *every* connection you make to be encrypted.
>
> How many times do I have to say I have nothing against encryption.
> I use it all the time (what do you think I'm using when I post this,
> for heaven's sake?). Answer = encryption

except you are using ftp, not sftp, so that statement is false.

> I'm just saying you guys can't propose a simple solution to
> *anything*.

many solutions have been proposed and you ignored all of them.

> Everything you come up with is the most complicated solution
> imaginable.

nonsense.

> And, for the *simplest* of possible problems, no less.
>
> On the Android side, the solution is simple.
> And there are four of them that worked (and a half dozen more proposed).
> There are SO MANY SOLUTIONS on Android that I couldn't test them all.
>
> On iOS, the only solution that stands a chance is JR's suggestion
> of jailbreaking the device, then installing an openSSh server, then
> with a lousy text interface on the Linux laptop, sftp the files
> over from the iOS device.

that's not at all the easiest. however, since you *insist* on ftp it
does what you want.

if you ditch the idea to use ftp, a whole world of possibilities
unfold. but you won't.

> That's the *best* you can come up with to simply transfer a file
> from my iOS device to a computer on my network?

more proof that you've ignored just about everything that has been said.

do you really expect to get helpful answers when you do that?

> If that's the only answer that will work (all the others fail
> before you even finish the sentence), then that's what I'll do,
> but, even you have to see how limited iOS is compared to Android
> even for accomplishing the simplest of tasks.
>
> I don't think you even realize how complex iOS makes everything.

you're right, i don't, because it's complete bullshit.

[Paul M. Cook]

On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 15:29:48 -0500, nospam wrote:

> either you're dumber than i thought or you're intentionally doing it to
> troll.

Says the guy who doesn't know the answer, yet he posts at least a
score of trolls, absolutely none of which contain even the semblance
of an answer.

[Paul M. Cook]

On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 20:54:04 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote:

>
> As anyone who has watched your posts knows well, you have been
> told several times

Um... your "proposed" solution *requires* jailbreaking.
Remember?

[nospam]

In article
<54c36$5646d421$6c1fe631$11...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Paul

M. Cook <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:

> > either you're dumber than i thought or you're intentionally doing it to
> > troll.
>
> Says the guy who doesn't know the answer, yet he posts at least a
> score of trolls, absolutely none of which contain even the semblance
> of an answer.

further proof you haven't read a fucking thing.

[Paul M. Cook]

On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 20:54:04 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote:

> You can't realistically expect a web server to talk to an FTP client.
> That's not how the internet works. ; )

That *was* a silly mistake. I agree.

[Paul M. Cook]

On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 12:25:32 -0800, sobriquet wrote:

> The clueless apple fanboys are always ready to jump on any thread
> proclaiming how the ipad makes things simple, but they will
> never come up with an actual suggestion of an app that actually
> accomplishes a simple task (like exchanging arbitrary files) in a
> reliable and convenient fashion.

I don't know if God sent you here, but you're the only one that
makes any sense.

And, you're the only one who proposed a viable solution.

I will install Flash (at least temporarily) on the Linux laptop
and test it out. I also have Windows machines that I can put
flash on if it fails on Linux. (I think you're using Windows, right?)

[nospam]

In article
<f00f0$5646d552$6c1fe631$11...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Paul

M. Cook <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:

>
> And, you're the only one who proposed a viable solution.
>
> I will install Flash (at least temporarily) on the Linux laptop
> and test it out. I also have Windows machines that I can put
> flash on if it fails on Linux. (I think you're using Windows, right?)

you call that viable?

you're fucked up.

[Paul M. Cook]

On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 12:50:43 -0800, sobriquet wrote:

> Yes, the apple does make things simple, they just want to extract
> cash from you for an icloud subscription.
>
> It's simple as that. They have made it very hard and cumbersome
> to store your files on the device, so people are harassed and
> intimidated to store their files in the icloud instead so apple
> can extract more cash from them with a monthly subscription
> (because 5 gb of free icloudspace will obviously feel cramped if
> you have a 128 gb ipad)

I must say, you're the *only* one in this entire newsgroup who
seems to know anything about the ipad!

Nospam will claim, in 30 posts, that *he* can do it, but yet,
he has *never* (ever!) done it.

At least you have.

[Paul M. Cook]

On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 21:14:50 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote:

> Actually, it's not hard at all. I do it all the time with ease.

Yeah, and I climb Mount Everest all the time, with ease.

You're full of shit if you say you transfer photos to linux
all the time, and the proof is that you've never shown a
single screenshot of that.

And you *know* that's the original question.

The only ones here proving they've done *anything* of the sort
are sobriquet and me. Nobody else can show anything but their
words, none of which pan out when you try what they say.

Nospam hasn't transferred a file from iOS to Linux in his life.
Neither have you.

At least sobriquet showed how he did it with screenshots.

[Paul M. Cook]

On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 21:31:02 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote:

> AirDrop. In fact I just did it for the fuck of it. Took me 2 seconds.

Show me a screenshot of you transferring a file to Linux with Airdrop.
Fifty posts about Airdrop, and not one of you knows the first thing
about Airdrop.

Your main contribution, which I appreciate, was to jailbreak the
device, and then install the openSSH server and then sftp (of all
things primitive) the file over.

If just transferring a file from iOS to my computer *requires*
jailbreaking, then that's not a viable solution.

[Paul M. Cook]

On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 16:13:14 -0800, Savageduck wrote:

> I do it all the time, but I don't use Linux.

This question is about iOS and Linux.
Anything else is just trolling.

[Paul M. Cook]

On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 20:17:32 -0500, Davoud wrote:

> It might help to know what kind of file it is.

Thanks for asking.

It's just a png screenshot taken on the iPad.
I want to edit it on Linux.

In android, I just press the bluetooth button, and voila.
It just works. It's sitting on my Linux laptop ready for me to edit.

But, I don't even need to *copy* it; I can use all the Linux editors
directly on the Android file system.
I simply start an FTP server on Android, and then Linux mounts the
entire Android file system in the normal Linux file manager. Voila.
It just works.

Or, I start ES File Explorer on Android, and I just mount
the Linux file system running samba. Again, voila.
It just works.

Or, since I'm on Ubuntu, I just run KDE Connect on both the
Android device and on the computer, and voila, not only does
it just work, but I can send and receive texts on the computer
and I can create alarms, and manage many things on the phone
from the computer. Voila.
It just works.

I had expected the task to be this easy on iOS, but, the only
two viable solutions are to use the web (yuk) or to jailbreak
the iPad (yuck).

It's sad that iOS is so limited compared to the other platforms.
I didn't realize it was *this* bad, until now.

[nospam]

In article
<535e9$5646d5e2$6c1fe631$11...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Paul

M. Cook <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:

> Nospam will claim, in 30 posts, that *he* can do it, but yet,
> he has *never* (ever!) done it.

bullshit.

[nospam]

In article
<57895$5646d68d$6c1fe631$11...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Paul

M. Cook <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:

> Nospam hasn't transferred a file from iOS to Linux in his life.

more bullshit.

you really need to stop babbling.

not only have i transferred stuff to/fro linux, but i regularly
transfer stuff to/fro a netbsd system.

it's trivial. a couple of taps and it's done, in *either* direction.

[nospam]

In article
<be314$5646d93b$6c1fe631$11...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Paul

M. Cook <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:

> > It might help to know what kind of file it is.
>
> Thanks for asking.
>
> It's just a png screenshot taken on the iPad.
> I want to edit it on Linux.

why not edit it on the ipad?

oh right, you want to do things the hard way.

> In android, I just press the bluetooth button, and voila.
> It just works. It's sitting on my Linux laptop ready for me to edit.

you could do that on ios but you reject everything everyone tells you.

> But, I don't even need to *copy* it; I can use all the Linux editors
> directly on the Android file system.

same on ios, in *either* direction.

> I simply start an FTP server on Android, and then Linux mounts the
> entire Android file system in the normal Linux file manager. Voila.
> It just works.

you call starting an ftp server each time you want to transfer a file
'just works' ??

> Or, I start ES File Explorer on Android, and I just mount
> the Linux file system running samba. Again, voila.
> It just works.

also trivial on ios.

> Or, since I'm on Ubuntu, I just run KDE Connect on both the
> Android device and on the computer, and voila, not only does
> it just work, but I can send and receive texts on the computer
> and I can create alarms, and manage many things on the phone
> from the computer. Voila.
> It just works.

even easier.

> I had expected the task to be this easy on iOS, but, the only
> two viable solutions are to use the web (yuk) or to jailbreak
> the iPad (yuck).

bullshit.

why do you keep lying?

> It's sad that iOS is so limited compared to the other platforms.
> I didn't realize it was *this* bad, until now.

the only limitation is in your head.

[sobriquet]

On Saturday, November 14, 2015 at 7:23:51 AM UTC+1, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 12:45:06 -0800, sobriquet wrote:
>
> > I've tested jdisk again and it works for me:
>
> Thank you for the screenshots.
> I'd be perfectly happy if I could get jDisk to actually work.
>
> Looking at your screenshots, it seems that "upload" is the process
> to take a file off the iOS device to put it onto the computer.
>
> Is that correct?

No, upload takes a file from the pc and uploads it to the ipad.
On the ipad, in the jdisk app, I have to ensure the app is
running and in sharing mode (like in the second image):

http://i.imgur.com/lJp3pVr.png
http://i.imgur.com/rZBb08R.png

You get into sharing mode by pressing the blue wifi button at the
bottom right.

Then you go to the pc and point it to the location indicated on the ipad
(with pc and ipad both on the same wifi network):

On the pc in the webbrowser, the upload button is to get a
file from the PC to the ipad and the download button is to
get files from the ipad to the PC.

The root folder shown in the app and browser initially is the
local filesystem on the ipad for the jdisk app. Apps on the
ipad can only see files inside the app, because the rest
of the filesystem is hidden on non-jailbroken ipads.
So you can store files on the ipad in that root folder and
create arbitrary folders and subfolders to organize files
inside the jdisk app on the ipad.

> If so, my problem with upload is that I don't have flash on my
> laptop (for obvious security reasons).
>
> But, I can install flash, at least temporarily, in order to
> test out jDisk.

Yes, I think for jDisk flash is necessary, but there might be similar
wifi file transfer apps that don't require flash but work in a similar
fashion. So far I've just found an app on android that works in a very
similar fashion to jdisk, but on android you immediately access the
complete filesystem and it's logical that you can't expect that to
happen on a non-jailbroken ipad.

>
> Another difference between your screenshots and mine is that you
> have items in what jDisk calls the "root" folder.

Those are items I've stored on the ipad inside the jdisk app.

>
> What *is* that root folder anyway?
> And, how did you get files into it?

I hope my explanation above provides enough details, but otherwise
I can elaborate some more if there are additional questions.

[nospam]

In article <06924971-bbc0-4c0a...@googlegroups.com>,

sobriquet <dohd...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > Looking at your screenshots, it seems that "upload" is the process
> > to take a file off the iOS device to put it onto the computer.
> >
> > Is that correct?
>
> No, upload takes a file from the pc and uploads it to the ipad.

wrong. upload is *to* a host, which is usually a mac or pc but could be
something else, such as a web server.

[sobriquet]

On Saturday, November 14, 2015 at 7:23:51 AM UTC+1, Paul M. Cook wrote:

Oh, one more thing.

Your screenshot would be residing on the ipad in the images folder
and you can get it inside jdisk by pressing the blue button on the
top right in the jdisk app(box with an arrow pointing up), from
there you can access your pics and you should be able to put them in
your root folder of jdisk so they can be downloaded to the pc (by
pressing the download button in the browser on the pc).