iOS is really moving forward with this new announcement from Apple of "big things" happening

[Arlen Holder]

Redheads, superheroes and lobsters will rejoice when they see the latest
emojis coming to Apple iPhones and iPads.

On iOS 12, we are 'making improvements' says Tim Cook.
Wow. Really?

Apple is spending energy on total bullshit and then touting it as a big
deal?

No wonder Apple never made a best-in-class iOS app in its entire history
that actually did something useful in the real world.

"Animoji? We're making them 'even more personal'!
Apple announced "The era of MeMoji!"

"iOS 12 has animoji in facetime. And access to your sticker packs."
"Now this is the future!"

But wait, there's more...

"We're doing that by taking advantage of the power of apps."
"It's called shortcuts."

Wow. Apple sure is high tech in iOS 12.
Who would have thought ... shortcuts. And silly pictures.

"All that effort has resulted in 'a handful of hairstyles'.

*No wonder iOS is the most primitive common compute platform on the planet.*

REFERENCE:
<https://money.cnn.com/2018/07/16/technology/apple-emoji-preview/index.html>

[sms]

On 7/16/2018 6:25 PM, Arlen Holder wrote:

<snip>

> "Animoji? We're making them 'even more personal'!
> Apple announced "The era of MeMoji!"

Give it a rest, it's World Emoji Day.

MeMoji sounds ridiculous but remember that Samsung has had it for a
while so there was really no choice, and thus your criticism is
misplaced. "Users can now also generate custom emoji, similar to
Samsung’s AR emoji, called Memoji, which they can make look like
themselves."

What you also failed to mention, due to your bias, is that the iOS 12
version of Memoji is much better than what is offered by Samsung,
because it has "tongue detection." Here's what one reporter wrote: "You
wouldn’t think the phrase tongue detection would have been met with one
of the loudest rounds of applause of the day, but here we are, folks!
Tongue detection basically means that now when you move your face to
animate an Animoji, the Animoji will now have a tongue. Because your
phone can now detect your tongue." This is a huge advantage, and is
likely patented.

You often criticize the iPhone and iOS for being late with useful
features, but the reality is that their competitors often introduce new
features before the feature is fully developed, just to claim bragging
rights about being first to market.

[nospam]

In article <pikup8$njp$1...@dont-email.me>, sms

<scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:

> MeMoji sounds ridiculous but remember that Samsung has had it for a
> while

not quite.

what samsung has is very primitive and somewhat creepy.

> ...their competitors often introduce new

> features before the feature is fully developed, just to claim bragging
> rights about being first to market.

not that often, but the point is that apple waits until something
actually worth releasing, and many times, they are first.

[Arlen Holder]

On 17 Jul 2018 06:55:43 GMT, nospam wrote:

> not that often, but the point is that apple waits until something
> actually worth releasing, and many times, they are first.

I will respond to this post in the manner it was meant, which I take to be
a serious adult discourse.

My "opinion" is that it doesn't matter who is first, unless it's something
like the first responder to an accident where CPR is needed.

The first to come up with funny-animated-drawings doesn't seem to be, to
me, a critical "functionality" that is worth touting, or even waiting to
tout.

Having said that, my big beef with the "announcements" from Apple that I
watched with incredularity, are that *people clapped* each time Tim Cook or
some other buffoon mentioned such silly useless childish things.

So, I must realize that *those people* think it's a *big deal*.

That, along with the thread that Apple is investing in maps and yet, the
other thread pretty much shows Apple hasn't ever made a best-in-class app
that wasn't limited to the Apple ecosystem, is what is so sad, and what,
combined, prompted this thread.

The sad thing here is that you are right...
*People actually do apparently think silly little pictures are a big deal.*

--
HINT: Whatever happened to building and enabling iOS app functionality?

[Arlen Holder]

On 17 Jul 2018 06:34:13 GMT, sms wrote:

> Give it a rest, it's World Emoji Day.

I was just shocked when I listened to the vidoe of Tim Cook and the other
Apple folks spouting how "great" iOS 12 was because it has pretty little
pictures.

Combined with the fact we pretty much can see Apple doesn't make a single
best-in-class iOS app that works in the real world, it just seemed crazy.

It's not crazy so much because Apple builds the most primitive common
consumer operating system on the planet, but that they *tout* the childish
stuff so loudly.

They should whisper that they have new pretty little pictures in iOS 12.

> MeMoji sounds ridiculous but remember that Samsung has had it for a
> while so there was really no choice, and thus your criticism is
> misplaced. "Users can now also generate custom emoji, similar to

> Samsung┬ AR emoji, called Memoji, which they can make look like
> themselves."

You know I have all the common consumer operating systems sans MacOSX (I
had a laptop and I help people with Macs because I'm in the educational
environment - but I don't have them currently).

On none of them would I consider pretty little drawings a big deal.

> What you also failed to mention, due to your bias...

You fail to understand I am eminantly reasonable.

What you call 'bias' is simply telling the truth.

If Google touted like I saw on that Apple video that the best think in the
next Android was pretty little pictures, I'd be railing on them too.

What you see as "bias" is exactly what Snit and Jolly Roger see, but you
should be held to a higher standard than they are because you're well
educated.

It's not bias. It's just the truth.

If you look on the Android, Windows, and Linux groups, you'll find that I
say 'bad things' about Android's privacy issues, Windows' inability to
eliminate Cortana (bricked my system a month ago trying), and Linux' Grub
drove me nuts twice, with its inability to handle legacy USB and RAID dung.

Again ... please NEVER say I'm biased against iOS becuase I'm not.
I expect the morons like Lewis, Jolly Roger, and Snit to say that.
They're the dumbest people on this planet.
They don't know any better.

But I expect you, sms, to exercise a modicum of intelligence.

Again, look on the Android, Windows, and Linux groups, and you'll see that
I say the truth about all of them.

You see bias because you don't like the truth mabye, but that isn't bias.
That's just you not liking the truth.

> is that the iOS 12
> version of Memoji is much better than what is offered by Samsung,

I'm sure it is.
I've had Samsung phones, as you know, and I didn't once use emojis on them.

> because it has "tongue detection." Here's what one reporter wrote: "You

> wouldn┤ think the phrase tongue detection would have been met with one

> of the loudest rounds of applause of the day, but here we are, folks!
> Tongue detection basically means that now when you move your face to
> animate an Animoji, the Animoji will now have a tongue. Because your
> phone can now detect your tongue." This is a huge advantage, and is
> likely patented.

If people are that stupid as to care about such things, then that is that -
but what you'd have to show me is Google (the equivalent of Apple in this
case) touting emojis or memojis or whatever-mojis as a "big deal" when
Google brings out the next Android version.

*Maybe Google tout's useless animations as the biggest thing in Android?*

Dunno. Do they?

>
> You often criticize the iPhone and iOS for being late with useful
> features, but the reality is that their competitors often introduce new
> features before the feature is fully developed, just to claim bragging
> rights about being first to market.

Again, you see me tell the truth.
You call it "criticize", but it's the truth.

For example, on Android, I can organize my homescreen as I see fit.
I can't do that on iOS. Neither can you. Neither can anyone.
That's just the truth.

The *only* difference I see on iOS groups versus Android and Windows and
Linux groups (in that order), is the number of mindless manchildren on the
group.

Please don't act like they do.

Snit accused me of "hating iOS" and yet, I likely have bought more iOS
devices than most of you in the past few years. I don't hate iOS. I know
the difference. I know the truth.

Those whose foundations are built upon imaginary iOS functionality will
always dislike the truth.

I expect the Apple Apologists (all man children) to hate the truth.
I expect you to act like a well-educated adult just like I am.

[sms]

On 7/17/2018 10:31 AM, Arlen Holder wrote:
> On 17 Jul 2018 06:34:13 GMT, sms wrote:
>
>> Give it a rest, it's World Emoji Day.
>
> I was just shocked when I listened to the vidoe of Tim Cook and the other
> Apple folks spouting how "great" iOS 12 was because it has pretty little
> pictures.
>
> Combined with the fact we pretty much can see Apple doesn't make a single
> best-in-class iOS app that works in the real world, it just seemed crazy.

What are you talking about? An app that works only on iOS still an app
that works in the real world.

What would be the upside of one of the best-in-class iOS apps like
Garage Band, which is free, being ported to other platforms? It's not a
revenue producing app like Apple Music which they ported to Android for
a very good reason. Plus it's a big reason for some people to choose an
iPhone or iPad over a less expensive Android phone or tablet. "You can
only get this awesome app on an iOS device" is a big selling point for
iOS devices.

[Arlen Holder]

On 17 Jul 2018 16:21:46 GMT, sms wrote:

> What are you talking about? An app that works only on iOS still an app
> that works in the real world.

Hi sms,
I expect you to be an educated intelligent person, hence I speak to you
completely differently than I would to, oh, say, Snit or Jolly Roger or
Lewis or BK@OnRamp, etc.

I speak the truth always - but the nuances can be understood by you.

The bulk of the man-children on this ng don't understand anything but what
Apple MARKTETING feeds them. You do. (And to a lesser extent, so does J.F.
Mezei, but extremely few posters on this newsgroup exhibit any semblance of
the ability to handle nuance.)

The nuance is...
*This concept of the real world is with respect to the walled garden.*

The nuance here is that the Apple iOS apps that work well (let's call them
"best in class") are those which work "inside the walled garden" where
everything is under Apple's control.

Put another way, it's only when imprisoned inside the Orwellian walled
garden, do the apps work well (and they do work well inside the walled
garden).

I didn't make up the term "walled garden", by the way, as you know - so you
know the concept and the nuances that are involved.

Once the app has to work outside that Orwellian walled garden (that is to
say, once the app has to work in the real world), it is no longer a
best-in-class app, and, in fact, often completely falls flat in the real

world.

> What would be the upside of one of the best-in-class iOS apps like
> Garage Band, which is free, being ported to other platforms? It's not a
> revenue producing app like Apple Music which they ported to Android for
> a very good reason. Plus it's a big reason for some people to choose an
> iPhone or iPad over a less expensive Android phone or tablet. "You can
> only get this awesome app on an iOS device" is a big selling point for
> iOS devices.

Hi sms,
Again, there is nuance in the facts where there are two kinds of
"restrictions" on iOS apps that we need to be aware of depending on what
app functionality we speak of.

There are, in reality, few real-world apps that are on both platforms, but
that's almost certainly the fault of Apple, where, for example, the
venerable real-world Automatic Call Recorder or the just as venerable
real-world NewPipe functionality or the even more valuable nova app
launcher functionality I keep speaking of, all only exist on Android.

Why don't iOS users have such powerful real-world functionality?
a. Is it because that functionality won't work on Apple hardware?
b. Or is it that Apple won't allow their users to have that functionality?

You tell me why that obviously powerful and useful real-world functionality
isn't available to the iOS user (where real world means it works with every
telephone, in the case of the call recorder, and every youtube video in the
case of NewPipe, and every homescreen in the case of Nova).

Now let's look at the functionality that *is* available to both platforms.

There's Google Maps, for example, which, AFAIK, works in the real world on
real roads, and which works the same on both platforms, right?

So Google Maps is a "real world" app that works on both platforms.
In fact, Google Maps is a "best in class" real-world app too.
On both platforms.

That means Google went to some trouble to make sure their app worked on iOS
devices, and, to make sure their app worked in the real world (i.e., real
traffic, real roads, real construction warnings, etc. for all users, both
Apple and Android) (and Windows and Linux, etc.).

Apple doesn't make any serious attempt to *ever* work in the real world.
Linux isn't supported at all, for example. Zero support in the real world.
(If you tell me Linux isn't in the real world, then I know you're just an
Apple Apologists like nospam since Linux is in the real world, and the fact
that Google works on Linux proves a map app *can* work in the real world).

The only best-in-class apps that Apple seems to have are those which are
constrained to work either only on iOS devices, or, which are constrained
to only work within the Orwellian confines of the walled garden.

The simple fact is that it's called a 'walled garden' because it's NOT the
real world, where Apple often just says the real world is "not supported".

[Arlen Holder]

On 18 Jul 2018 04:59:04 GMT, Arlen Holder wrote:

> The only best-in-class apps that Apple seems to have are those which are
> constrained to work either only on iOS devices, or, which are constrained
> to only work within the Orwellian confines of the walled garden.
>
> The simple fact is that it's called a 'walled garden' because it's NOT the
> real world, where Apple often just says the real world is "not supported"

Before the child-like Apple Apologists have a field day, I was restricting
the conversation to the iOS apps (and not to MacOSX apps).

With that caveat inserted, I repeat...
"The only best-in-class *iOS apps* that Apple seems to have are those

which are constrained to work either only on iOS devices, or, which
are constrained to only work within the Orwellian confines of the
walled garden."

"The simple fact is that it's called a 'walled garden' because it's NOT the

real world, where Apple often just says the real world is 'not supported'"