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The Real Bev
Oct 20, 2017, 11:52:05 AM10/20/17
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Offline essential, no data plan.
The interface for both has become annoyingly complex and difficult to
use when they get used perhaps once every 2 months and they change with
every update. Google Maps is much friendlier, but I won't know about
data access until the freedompop hotspot arrives next week.
--
Cheers, Bev
The Marketing Professional's Motto: "We don't screw the customers. All
we're doing is holding them down while the salespeople screw them."
-- Scott Adams
The interface for both has become annoyingly complex and difficult to
use when they get used perhaps once every 2 months and they change with
every update. Google Maps is much friendlier, but I won't know about
data access until the freedompop hotspot arrives next week.
--
Cheers, Bev
The Marketing Professional's Motto: "We don't screw the customers. All
we're doing is holding them down while the salespeople screw them."
-- Scott Adams
Bob
Oct 20, 2017, 11:58:27 AM10/20/17
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On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 08:52:03 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:
> Offline essential, no data plan.
Here Maps
> Offline essential, no data plan.
The Real Bev
Oct 20, 2017, 1:09:07 PM10/20/17
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turned on. :-(
--
Cheers, Bev
"Let them eat shit."
-- Marcel Antoinette, Marie's little-known brother
The Real Bev
Oct 20, 2017, 3:49:08 PM10/20/17
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On 10/20/2017 10:09 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 10/20/2017 08:58 AM, Bob wrote:
>> On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 08:52:03 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:
>>
>>> Offline essential, no data plan.
>>
>> Here Maps
>
> It loses its mind if I set the phone to airplane mode -- GPS still
> turned on. :-(
I tried maps.me, which is pretty straightforward and shows stuff that
> On 10/20/2017 08:58 AM, Bob wrote:
>> On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 08:52:03 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:
>>
>>> Offline essential, no data plan.
>>
>> Here Maps
>
> It loses its mind if I set the phone to airplane mode -- GPS still
> turned on. :-(
Osmand didn't. Unfortunately it requires you to load specific maps in
advance (apparently there's no way to say ALL), and couldn't find an
address even when I downloaded the map for that SMALL city.
I wish google maps were nicer about offline stuff -- their interface is
clearly the best.
--
Cheers, Bev
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"He who joyfully marches in rank and file has already
earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by
mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice."
-- Albert Einstein
VanguardLH
Oct 20, 2017, 4:53:35 PM10/20/17
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The Real Bev wrote:
> The Real Bev wrote:
out depending on the size of the area that you want to capture, and
download that map for offline use. I did this for my home metropolis
(98 MB) and the one where I'm going on vacation (85 MB). Yes, the
download will occupy storage space but I have a 64 GB SD card for
secondary storage and Google Maps lets me save the downloaded maps over
there. Obviously the bigger the area for which you save its map then
the bigger the download and storage space for the saved map.
In Google Maps, use the hamburger menu icon and select Offline Maps. In
that screen, tap the gear icon to go to settings for that feature. You
can configure the following (the brackets show how I have mine set):
- Automatically update offline maps [Enabled]
- Automaticall download offline maps [Enabled]
- Download preferences [Over wi-fi only]
- Storage preferences [SD card]
"Download areas and navigate offline"
https://support.google.com/maps/answer/6291838?co=GENIE.Platform%3DAndroid&oco=0
"wish google maps were nicer about offline stuff". That gives
absolutely no details what features or behavior you would consider
"nicer".
I have no idea why your Google Maps "loses its mind" when in Airplane
mode with GPS still enabled. As a test, and because I have an offline
map saved for my vacation spot 2000 miles away, I enabled Airplane mode.
GPS was left enabled. I went into Google Maps, hamburger menu icon,
Your Places, and picked a saved place (a restaurant) in my vacation spot
that was inside an offline map. Google Maps showed me a map of that
place. GPS would obviously be pointing to where I am, not to where the
saved place is some 2000 miles away. Google Maps would even show me the
route and give driving directions from the resort to the restaurant
(both within the offline map). For me, Google Maps did not "lose its
mind" when using its offline map feature and with GPS enabled.
> The Real Bev wrote:
>
>> Bob wrote:
>>
>>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>>
>>>> Offline essential, no data plan.
>>>
>>> Here Maps
>>
>> It loses its mind if I set the phone to airplane mode -- GPS still
>> turned on. :-(
>
>> Bob wrote:
>>
>>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>>
>>>> Offline essential, no data plan.
>>>
>>> Here Maps
>>
>> It loses its mind if I set the phone to airplane mode -- GPS still
>> turned on. :-(
>
> I wish google maps were nicer about offline stuff -- their interface is
> clearly the best.
With Google Maps' offline maps feature, you select a spot, zoom in or
> clearly the best.
out depending on the size of the area that you want to capture, and
download that map for offline use. I did this for my home metropolis
(98 MB) and the one where I'm going on vacation (85 MB). Yes, the
download will occupy storage space but I have a 64 GB SD card for
secondary storage and Google Maps lets me save the downloaded maps over
there. Obviously the bigger the area for which you save its map then
the bigger the download and storage space for the saved map.
In Google Maps, use the hamburger menu icon and select Offline Maps. In
that screen, tap the gear icon to go to settings for that feature. You
can configure the following (the brackets show how I have mine set):
- Automatically update offline maps [Enabled]
- Automaticall download offline maps [Enabled]
- Download preferences [Over wi-fi only]
- Storage preferences [SD card]
"Download areas and navigate offline"
https://support.google.com/maps/answer/6291838?co=GENIE.Platform%3DAndroid&oco=0
"wish google maps were nicer about offline stuff". That gives
absolutely no details what features or behavior you would consider
"nicer".
I have no idea why your Google Maps "loses its mind" when in Airplane
mode with GPS still enabled. As a test, and because I have an offline
map saved for my vacation spot 2000 miles away, I enabled Airplane mode.
GPS was left enabled. I went into Google Maps, hamburger menu icon,
Your Places, and picked a saved place (a restaurant) in my vacation spot
that was inside an offline map. Google Maps showed me a map of that
place. GPS would obviously be pointing to where I am, not to where the
saved place is some 2000 miles away. Google Maps would even show me the
route and give driving directions from the resort to the restaurant
(both within the offline map). For me, Google Maps did not "lose its
mind" when using its offline map feature and with GPS enabled.
The Real Bev
Oct 20, 2017, 9:28:26 PM10/20/17
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it was. A6 uses the SD card as a sort of crippled extension of internal
memory, so maybe that's how it works. It takes minutes to update a 64MB
map over my 60kb line, which is kind of annoying. I can upload much
larger photos faster at 5kb, my upload max speed.
201MB in internal storage. No google app except Messenger is willing to
use the sdcard or be eliminated.
I updated the map that contained the address I wanted to find. I could
find it on google maps on my computer, but the saved map on the phone
had no clue. Turned wifi back on and it found it easily. Not all that
valuable. I might as well be using paper maps -- which I still love.
> "Download areas and navigate offline"
> https://support.google.com/maps/answer/6291838?co=GENIE.Platform%3DAndroid&oco=0
>
> "wish google maps were nicer about offline stuff". That gives
> absolutely no details what features or behavior you would consider
> "nicer".
> I have no idea why your Google Maps "loses its mind" when in Airplane
> mode with GPS still enabled.
> As a test, and because I have an offline
> map saved for my vacation spot 2000 miles away, I enabled Airplane mode.
> GPS was left enabled. I went into Google Maps, hamburger menu icon,
> Your Places, and picked a saved place (a restaurant) in my vacation spot
> that was inside an offline map. Google Maps showed me a map of that
> place. GPS would obviously be pointing to where I am, not to where the
> saved place is some 2000 miles away. Google Maps would even show me the
> route and give driving directions from the resort to the restaurant
> (both within the offline map). For me, Google Maps did not "lose its
> mind" when using its offline map feature and with GPS enabled.
>
Cheers, Bev
"Faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death."
-- Hunter S. Thompson
harry newton
Oct 21, 2017, 12:04:51 AM10/21/17
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He who is The Real Bev said on Fri, 20 Oct 2017 08:52:03 -0700:
> Offline essential, no data plan.
>
> The interface for both has become annoyingly complex and difficult to
> use when they get used perhaps once every 2 months and they change with
> every update. Google Maps is much friendlier, but I won't know about
> data access until the freedompop hotspot arrives next week.
I only use the best freeware, where I never update an app unless I *know*
there is a change that I want (which almost never happens) and where I've
tried *every* free map app known to man, and deleted those that sucked.
In addition, I always organize my apps in the order of best-to-worst
preference, so, taking a quick peek on my well-organized system, after
Google Maps (for accuracy), I have Mapfactor Navigator (offline road map),
which is ahead of OSMAnd~, CoPilot GPS, LocusMap, etc.
Have you tried Mapfactor Navigator yet?
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mapfactor.navigator>
It's not perfect; but let us know what you think about it.
Here's the blurb...
MapFactor Navigator is a free GPS navigation app with free offline maps
from OpenStreetMaps (incl. free monthly maps update). You can navigate
without an internet connection in more than 200 countries. Intuitive voice
turn-by-turn navigation in different languages, speed limits, camera
warnings and many other useful features.
Key features of the MapFactor GPS Navigation app:
- voice navigation in different languages
- door-to-door route planning
- overview of the upcoming manoeuvre and distance shown on the screen
- free offline maps with postcodes
- (full GB postcodes) installed on your device or SD card
- points of interest
- speed limit and camera warnings
- favourite routes and places
- 2D/3D mode allows realistic visual maps display
- day/night map mode
- routing modes for car, bus, truck, pedestrian, bycicle
- route avoidance - block off certain road from your route
- maps rotate in driving direction, or north up
- customisation possibilities
Optional features:
- professional TomTom maps
- Premium Features: Alternative routes, Head-Up Display, No ads
- Live HD Traffic information (for selected countries)
OSM maps are created and updated by the community of volunteers at
www.osm.org. OSM maps are updated every month for FREE. Optional TomTom
navigation maps and postcodes available.
MapFactor also makes the popular NavigatorFREE GPS navigation software for
PC, Pocket PC and WinCE, also with postcodes and free maps from
OpenStreetMaps.
If you wish to get help or provide feedback to our GPS navigation app,
please email and...@mapfactor.com.
> Offline essential, no data plan.
>
> The interface for both has become annoyingly complex and difficult to
> use when they get used perhaps once every 2 months and they change with
> every update. Google Maps is much friendlier, but I won't know about
> data access until the freedompop hotspot arrives next week.
there is a change that I want (which almost never happens) and where I've
tried *every* free map app known to man, and deleted those that sucked.
In addition, I always organize my apps in the order of best-to-worst
preference, so, taking a quick peek on my well-organized system, after
Google Maps (for accuracy), I have Mapfactor Navigator (offline road map),
which is ahead of OSMAnd~, CoPilot GPS, LocusMap, etc.
Have you tried Mapfactor Navigator yet?
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mapfactor.navigator>
It's not perfect; but let us know what you think about it.
Here's the blurb...
MapFactor Navigator is a free GPS navigation app with free offline maps
from OpenStreetMaps (incl. free monthly maps update). You can navigate
without an internet connection in more than 200 countries. Intuitive voice
turn-by-turn navigation in different languages, speed limits, camera
warnings and many other useful features.
Key features of the MapFactor GPS Navigation app:
- voice navigation in different languages
- door-to-door route planning
- overview of the upcoming manoeuvre and distance shown on the screen
- free offline maps with postcodes
- (full GB postcodes) installed on your device or SD card
- points of interest
- speed limit and camera warnings
- favourite routes and places
- 2D/3D mode allows realistic visual maps display
- day/night map mode
- routing modes for car, bus, truck, pedestrian, bycicle
- route avoidance - block off certain road from your route
- maps rotate in driving direction, or north up
- customisation possibilities
Optional features:
- professional TomTom maps
- Premium Features: Alternative routes, Head-Up Display, No ads
- Live HD Traffic information (for selected countries)
OSM maps are created and updated by the community of volunteers at
www.osm.org. OSM maps are updated every month for FREE. Optional TomTom
navigation maps and postcodes available.
MapFactor also makes the popular NavigatorFREE GPS navigation software for
PC, Pocket PC and WinCE, also with postcodes and free maps from
OpenStreetMaps.
If you wish to get help or provide feedback to our GPS navigation app,
please email and...@mapfactor.com.
harry newton
Oct 21, 2017, 12:07:44 AM10/21/17
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He who is The Real Bev said on Fri, 20 Oct 2017 18:28:24 -0700:
> That was 'Maps Here', although GM couldn't find an address without wifi.
It's not perfect; but let us know what you think about it.
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mapfactor.navigator>
> That was 'Maps Here', although GM couldn't find an address without wifi.
Have you tried Mapfactor Navigator yet?
<http://wetakepic.com/images/2017/10/21/roadmap.jpg>
It's not perfect; but let us know what you think about it.
The Real Bev
Oct 21, 2017, 12:51:10 AM10/21/17
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better now. I'll give it a shot.
Downloaded a mess of maps. I'll play with it tomorrow...
VanguardLH
Oct 21, 2017, 5:31:31 AM10/21/17
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The Real Bev wrote:
> VanguardLH wrote:
>
>> In Google Maps, use the hamburger menu icon and select Offline Maps. In
>> that screen, tap the gear icon to go to settings for that feature. You
>> can configure the following (the brackets show how I have mine set):
>>
>> - Automatically update offline maps [Enabled]
>> - Automaticall download offline maps [Enabled]
>> - Download preferences [Over wi-fi only]
>> - Storage preferences [SD card]
>
> 'Storage preferences" weren't on that page, although 'help' claimed that
> it was. A6 uses the SD card as a sort of crippled extension of internal
> memory, so maybe that's how it works. It takes minutes to update a 64MB
> map over my 60kb line, which is kind of annoying. I can upload much
> larger photos faster at 5kb, my upload max speed.
I am using:
- Android 4.4.4 Kitkat
- Google Maps 9.64.1
My phone is:
- Samsung Galaxy Core Prime SM-S820L
Phone makers putz with the OS to stamp their identity on it so there can
be differences with the same OS on different phones. Different versions
of the OS and apps will have different features (i.e., newer versions
gain and lose some features).
> 201MB in internal storage. No google app except Messenger is willing to
> use the sdcard or be eliminated.
Yeah, many Google won't let the *app* get moved to the SD card. That
you do not have the configurability options that I mention indicates you
are using an even older Android version than I, are using an old version
of Google Maps (did you check if you can update to a new version?), or
the maker of your unidentified phone decided to cripple it.
> A6 uses the SD card as a sort of crippled extension of internal memory
Does "A6" mean Android 6.x Marshmallow? That doesn't whose brand and
model of phone you have. For Android 6, read:
https://liliputing.com/2015/10/android-6-0-can-treat-sd-cards-as-internal-storage-at-a-cost.html
Well, if external storage has been merged with internal storage then
there's no point in having options to move apps to the SD card or have
the apps store their data to the SD card - because there is no SD card
anymore. The SD card now extends the internal storage. Looks like it
is still your choice if external storage gets merged onto internal
storage. With your phone, you (or whomever setup the phone if it
already came with an SD card) choose to emulate secondary storage as
internal storage. Google Maps won't see there is any external storage
available (the same as if you never installed an SD card) so it doesn't
present the options that I mentioned.
>> I have no idea why your Google Maps "loses its mind" when in Airplane
>> mode with GPS still enabled.
>
> That was 'Maps Here', although GM couldn't find an address without wifi.
Oops, didn't see the discussion slid over to Maps Here. On my phone,
going into Airplane mode disabled wifi. Yet I was still able to use
Google Maps to find my resort, a restaurant, and get driving
instructions between them while using the offline map in Airplane mode
which also means no wifi connectivity.
The point of offline maps is to let you use the map when you have no
Internet access either via wifi or cellular data. Obviously wifi isn't
everywhere, especially when driving and especially when outside a city.
I have Google Maps configured to download and update the offline maps
only when my phone has wifi access, that's just when Google Maps can do
the downloading and updating. I don't want it eating my cellular data
quota for that. The offline maps don't expire for a month, wifi is
usually available during that time so the offline maps get auto-updated,
and I can do a manual update, if needed, before their expiration, like
right before a trip.
Do you have any offline maps (hamburger menu icon -> Offline Maps)?
How are you using Google Maps to save a map offline? Is the offline map
large enough (zoom out on the map before storing it) to encompass the
area for which you tried to find a location?
Did you configure Google Maps to *only* work in wifi mode (hamburger
menu icon -> Wifi Only)? If you tell Google Maps to work only in wifi
mode but don't have any wifi access then, yeah, I can see why Google
Maps fails on using the stored offline maps.
> VanguardLH wrote:
>
>> In Google Maps, use the hamburger menu icon and select Offline Maps. In
>> that screen, tap the gear icon to go to settings for that feature. You
>> can configure the following (the brackets show how I have mine set):
>>
>> - Automatically update offline maps [Enabled]
>> - Automaticall download offline maps [Enabled]
>> - Download preferences [Over wi-fi only]
>> - Storage preferences [SD card]
>
> 'Storage preferences" weren't on that page, although 'help' claimed that
> it was. A6 uses the SD card as a sort of crippled extension of internal
> memory, so maybe that's how it works. It takes minutes to update a 64MB
> map over my 60kb line, which is kind of annoying. I can upload much
> larger photos faster at 5kb, my upload max speed.
- Android 4.4.4 Kitkat
- Google Maps 9.64.1
My phone is:
- Samsung Galaxy Core Prime SM-S820L
Phone makers putz with the OS to stamp their identity on it so there can
be differences with the same OS on different phones. Different versions
of the OS and apps will have different features (i.e., newer versions
gain and lose some features).
> 201MB in internal storage. No google app except Messenger is willing to
> use the sdcard or be eliminated.
you do not have the configurability options that I mention indicates you
are using an even older Android version than I, are using an old version
of Google Maps (did you check if you can update to a new version?), or
the maker of your unidentified phone decided to cripple it.
> A6 uses the SD card as a sort of crippled extension of internal memory
model of phone you have. For Android 6, read:
https://liliputing.com/2015/10/android-6-0-can-treat-sd-cards-as-internal-storage-at-a-cost.html
Well, if external storage has been merged with internal storage then
there's no point in having options to move apps to the SD card or have
the apps store their data to the SD card - because there is no SD card
anymore. The SD card now extends the internal storage. Looks like it
is still your choice if external storage gets merged onto internal
storage. With your phone, you (or whomever setup the phone if it
already came with an SD card) choose to emulate secondary storage as
internal storage. Google Maps won't see there is any external storage
available (the same as if you never installed an SD card) so it doesn't
present the options that I mentioned.
>> I have no idea why your Google Maps "loses its mind" when in Airplane
>> mode with GPS still enabled.
>
> That was 'Maps Here', although GM couldn't find an address without wifi.
going into Airplane mode disabled wifi. Yet I was still able to use
Google Maps to find my resort, a restaurant, and get driving
instructions between them while using the offline map in Airplane mode
which also means no wifi connectivity.
The point of offline maps is to let you use the map when you have no
Internet access either via wifi or cellular data. Obviously wifi isn't
everywhere, especially when driving and especially when outside a city.
I have Google Maps configured to download and update the offline maps
only when my phone has wifi access, that's just when Google Maps can do
the downloading and updating. I don't want it eating my cellular data
quota for that. The offline maps don't expire for a month, wifi is
usually available during that time so the offline maps get auto-updated,
and I can do a manual update, if needed, before their expiration, like
right before a trip.
Do you have any offline maps (hamburger menu icon -> Offline Maps)?
How are you using Google Maps to save a map offline? Is the offline map
large enough (zoom out on the map before storing it) to encompass the
area for which you tried to find a location?
Did you configure Google Maps to *only* work in wifi mode (hamburger
menu icon -> Wifi Only)? If you tell Google Maps to work only in wifi
mode but don't have any wifi access then, yeah, I can see why Google
Maps fails on using the stored offline maps.
harry newton
Oct 21, 2017, 6:01:52 AM10/21/17
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He who is The Real Bev said on Fri, 20 Oct 2017 21:51:07 -0700:
> Thanks, I think I did a long time ago and rejected it, but maybe it's
> better now. I'll give it a shot.
>
> Downloaded a mess of maps. I'll play with it tomorrow...
You'll note that I've tried *all* the known freeware offline map programs
ever suggested on this newsgroup (AFAIK), where I've deleted those long ago
that didn't fit my needs.
Hence you won't see in my screenshot, for example, some of the suggestions
that others made, simply because I determined that those map programs
sucked for my purposes.
You'll note that Google Maps still exists on my system, and it's in the
number one position in my highly organized phone, which is indicative that
I don't think Mapfactor Navigator is anywhere near perfect yet (mostly it
suffers from the same issues all OSM databases suffer from).
But it's good enough of an offline map app to remain on my system, where
very few offline map apps are allowed to remain, including (from memory)
Maps.me (formerly Maps with Me), Telenav Scout, HERE Maps, Galileo Offline
Maps, Magic Earth, CityMaps2Go, Appxis Maps, Elderorb, MapQuest, Navme
Navfree, Route 66 Maps, Sygic, Triposo, Aponia Be On Road, TomTom, etc.
(that list is only from memory so it may not be inclusive)
Let us know how it works so that every user adds positive value to the
tribal knowledge of the group as a whole.
.
> Thanks, I think I did a long time ago and rejected it, but maybe it's
> better now. I'll give it a shot.
>
> Downloaded a mess of maps. I'll play with it tomorrow...
ever suggested on this newsgroup (AFAIK), where I've deleted those long ago
that didn't fit my needs.
Hence you won't see in my screenshot, for example, some of the suggestions
that others made, simply because I determined that those map programs
sucked for my purposes.
You'll note that Google Maps still exists on my system, and it's in the
number one position in my highly organized phone, which is indicative that
I don't think Mapfactor Navigator is anywhere near perfect yet (mostly it
suffers from the same issues all OSM databases suffer from).
But it's good enough of an offline map app to remain on my system, where
very few offline map apps are allowed to remain, including (from memory)
Maps.me (formerly Maps with Me), Telenav Scout, HERE Maps, Galileo Offline
Maps, Magic Earth, CityMaps2Go, Appxis Maps, Elderorb, MapQuest, Navme
Navfree, Route 66 Maps, Sygic, Triposo, Aponia Be On Road, TomTom, etc.
(that list is only from memory so it may not be inclusive)
Let us know how it works so that every user adds positive value to the
tribal knowledge of the group as a whole.
.
harry newton
Oct 21, 2017, 6:07:40 AM10/21/17
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He who is harry newton said on Sat, 21 Oct 2017 04:04:51 +0000 (UTC):
> - Premium Features: Alternative routes, Head-Up Display, No ads
I just noticed this line, which is interesting because I almost never use
any freeware app that has ads, unless there the app does something that no
other app does.
Of course, as I mentioned, I never update an app unless there's something I
know I want in the update (which almost never happens), so, I'm probably
using an ancient version of the program which has no ads.
Since I don't see ads, and since I have no intention of updating the app
itself to the latest version, let us know if the freeware ads in the latest
mapfactor navigator are obnoxious.
> - Premium Features: Alternative routes, Head-Up Display, No ads
any freeware app that has ads, unless there the app does something that no
other app does.
Of course, as I mentioned, I never update an app unless there's something I
know I want in the update (which almost never happens), so, I'm probably
using an ancient version of the program which has no ads.
Since I don't see ads, and since I have no intention of updating the app
itself to the latest version, let us know if the freeware ads in the latest
mapfactor navigator are obnoxious.
micky
Oct 21, 2017, 10:47:51 AM10/21/17
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In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 20 Oct 2017 12:49:07 -0700, The Real Bev
does that. IIRC, unless you have loads of data to use, you do have to
preload your maps, but I didn't find that a problem.
Except in one case that I don't think is typical, I'm in a city where I
had already dl'd the map, and it wanted the map, and I my data worked
only on 2G, if that. Very complicated, winding streets, and I had no
real map. So I got an error. But I think that was a fluke.
but before my next trip, I may go to a friend's with fiber-optic cable
and do them there, all at in a row.
<bashl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 10/20/2017 10:09 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 10/20/2017 08:58 AM, Bob wrote:
>>> On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 08:52:03 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>
>>>> Offline essential, no data plan.
>>>
>>> Here Maps
>>
>> It loses its mind if I set the phone to airplane mode -- GPS still
>> turned on. :-(
>
>I tried maps.me, which is pretty straightforward and shows stuff that
>Osmand didn't. Unfortunately it requires you to load specific maps in
>advance (apparently there's no way to say ALL), and couldn't find an
>address even when I downloaded the map for that SMALL city.
Maps.me shows street numbers. No other PC or Android program I've used
>On 10/20/2017 10:09 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 10/20/2017 08:58 AM, Bob wrote:
>>> On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 08:52:03 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>
>>>> Offline essential, no data plan.
>>>
>>> Here Maps
>>
>> It loses its mind if I set the phone to airplane mode -- GPS still
>> turned on. :-(
>
>I tried maps.me, which is pretty straightforward and shows stuff that
>Osmand didn't. Unfortunately it requires you to load specific maps in
>advance (apparently there's no way to say ALL), and couldn't find an
>address even when I downloaded the map for that SMALL city.
does that. IIRC, unless you have loads of data to use, you do have to
preload your maps, but I didn't find that a problem.
Except in one case that I don't think is typical, I'm in a city where I
had already dl'd the map, and it wanted the map, and I my data worked
only on 2G, if that. Very complicated, winding streets, and I had no
real map. So I got an error. But I think that was a fluke.
>
>I wish google maps were nicer about offline stuff -- their interface is
>clearly the best.
When I'm sitting at my desk, I don't mind re-downloading all my maps,
>I wish google maps were nicer about offline stuff -- their interface is
>clearly the best.
but before my next trip, I may go to a friend's with fiber-optic cable
and do them there, all at in a row.
Frank Slootweg
Oct 21, 2017, 2:15:55 PM10/21/17
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The Real Bev <bashl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Offline essential, no data plan.
>
> The interface for both has become annoyingly complex and difficult to
> use when they get used perhaps once every 2 months and they change with
> every update. Google Maps is much friendlier, but I won't know about
> data access until the freedompop hotspot arrives next week.
The UI of OsmAnd+ is indeed complex and not very intuitive, but (IMO)
>
> The interface for both has become annoyingly complex and difficult to
> use when they get used perhaps once every 2 months and they change with
> every update. Google Maps is much friendlier, but I won't know about
> data access until the freedompop hotspot arrives next week.
it's actually getting a bit better and 2) it does change - too -
frequently, but not at every update.
Anyway, if the changing UI is your main concern, then don't
auto-update it and perhaps rollback to an earlier version.
As to alternatives, my main alternative/backup is Sygic (which uses
TomTom maps). Yes, it's payware, but there are nearly always big
discounts. I bought my 'Premium and Traffic World' lifetime license (for
4 devices) for EUR 34.99 (~USD41).
Others which I've tried/used:
- Navfree/Navmii (uses OpenStreetMaps).
- Be-on-road (id=cz.aponia.bor3) (uses OpenStreetMaps).
- CoPilot (uses NAVTEQ/HERE maps).
- HERE WeGo (uses HERE maps).
If you're looking for simple - but don't want to pay (for Sygic) - and
'HERE WeGo' doesn't work for you, then I can only recommend
Navfree/Navmii or Be-on-road.
harry newton
Oct 21, 2017, 8:01:07 PM10/21/17
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He who is micky said on Sat, 21 Oct 2017 10:47:48 -0400:
> Maps.me shows street numbers. No other PC or Android program I've used
> does that.
I'm not sure what you mean, but if you mean by "street numbers" that the
map won't router to, say, "100 Main Street", I think they *all* do that,
don't they?
Now some, like CoPilot, have better underlying address databases than
others (OSM being notoriously bad by way of contrast), but they all
"fundamentally" route to an address.
Don't they?
>>I wish google maps were nicer about offline stuff -- their interface is
>>clearly the best.
>
> When I'm sitting at my desk, I don't mind re-downloading all my maps,
> but before my next trip, I may go to a friend's with fiber-optic cable
> and do them there, all at in a row.
How many times do you *load* a map?
I load the map once in the lifetime of the map app.
Streets aren't going to change all that much that you need to re-load the
same map over and over again. It's like replanting your grass every spring
instead of just leaving it growing where it was.
What do you expect to accomplish by reloading the maps?
(Yes, I know minor changes will be updated - but seriously - do your roads
change *that* much that you're constantly reloading maps?)
> Maps.me shows street numbers. No other PC or Android program I've used
> does that.
map won't router to, say, "100 Main Street", I think they *all* do that,
don't they?
Now some, like CoPilot, have better underlying address databases than
others (OSM being notoriously bad by way of contrast), but they all
"fundamentally" route to an address.
Don't they?
>>I wish google maps were nicer about offline stuff -- their interface is
>>clearly the best.
>
> When I'm sitting at my desk, I don't mind re-downloading all my maps,
> but before my next trip, I may go to a friend's with fiber-optic cable
> and do them there, all at in a row.
I load the map once in the lifetime of the map app.
Streets aren't going to change all that much that you need to re-load the
same map over and over again. It's like replanting your grass every spring
instead of just leaving it growing where it was.
What do you expect to accomplish by reloading the maps?
(Yes, I know minor changes will be updated - but seriously - do your roads
change *that* much that you're constantly reloading maps?)
harry newton
Oct 21, 2017, 8:01:15 PM10/21/17
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He who is Frank Slootweg said on 21 Oct 2017 18:15:53 GMT:
> Anyway, if the changing UI is your main concern, then don't
> auto-update it and perhaps rollback to an earlier version.
Just a suggestion...
I suggest everyone install an automatic APK archival app which simply saves
the APK of all your apps (whether or not you update them).
That way, you can always delete any app update if you don't like it and
re-load the original APK. You can automatically save all the updates, so
you can go back to any individual one if you like.
I can't imagine doing things any other way ...
It's so easy to do, and so logical, that I'd have to wonder what the
strategy is of anyone who does *not* do that as a matter of habit.
> Anyway, if the changing UI is your main concern, then don't
> auto-update it and perhaps rollback to an earlier version.
I suggest everyone install an automatic APK archival app which simply saves
the APK of all your apps (whether or not you update them).
That way, you can always delete any app update if you don't like it and
re-load the original APK. You can automatically save all the updates, so
you can go back to any individual one if you like.
I can't imagine doing things any other way ...
It's so easy to do, and so logical, that I'd have to wonder what the
strategy is of anyone who does *not* do that as a matter of habit.
The Real Bev
Oct 21, 2017, 11:41:43 PM10/21/17
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> https://liliputing.com/2015/10/android-6-0-can-treat-sd-cards-as-internal-storage-at-a-cost.html
>
> Well, if external storage has been merged with internal storage then
> there's no point in having options to move apps to the SD card or have
> the apps store their data to the SD card - because there is no SD card
> anymore.
reside on the card and some in internal storage.
> The SD card now extends the internal storage. Looks like it
> is still your choice if external storage gets merged onto internal
> storage. With your phone, you (or whomever setup the phone if it
> already came with an SD card) choose to emulate secondary storage as
> internal storage.
stuff on the phone -- just maps. I NEEEEEED app space! I thought that
8GB would be a lot. HAH. I have ~500MB empty but still get google's
NOT ENOUGH SPACE CHEAP BASTARD message.
> Google Maps won't see there is any external storage
> available (the same as if you never installed an SD card) so it doesn't
> present the options that I mentioned.
sort of undecided about exactly how to use the extra space. Just like
previous versions wherein apps2sd worked except with google apps.
>>> I have no idea why your Google Maps "loses its mind" when in Airplane
>>> mode with GPS still enabled.
>>
>> That was 'Maps Here', although GM couldn't find an address without wifi.
>
> Oops, didn't see the discussion slid over to Maps Here. On my phone,
> going into Airplane mode disabled wifi. Yet I was still able to use
> Google Maps to find my resort, a restaurant, and get driving
> instructions between them while using the offline map in Airplane mode
> which also means no wifi connectivity.
> The point of offline maps is to let you use the map when you have no
> Internet access either via wifi or cellular data. Obviously wifi isn't
> everywhere, especially when driving and especially when outside a city.
> I have Google Maps configured to download and update the offline maps
> only when my phone has wifi access, that's just when Google Maps can do
> the downloading and updating. I don't want it eating my cellular data
> quota for that. The offline maps don't expire for a month, wifi is
> usually available during that time so the offline maps get auto-updated,
> and I can do a manual update, if needed, before their expiration, like
> right before a trip.
>
> Do you have any offline maps (hamburger menu icon -> Offline Maps)?
> How are you using Google Maps to save a map offline? Is the offline map
> large enough (zoom out on the map before storing it) to encompass the
> area for which you tried to find a location?
>
> Did you configure Google Maps to *only* work in wifi mode (hamburger
> menu icon -> Wifi Only)? If you tell Google Maps to work only in wifi
> mode but don't have any wifi access then, yeah, I can see why Google
> Maps fails on using the stored offline maps.
phone mode -- which I don't think works. Not sure if "work" =
"download". When in airplane mode i can find the Costcos within the
area of the map -- roughly 30 miles x 30 miles, apparently the limit of
the map it was willing to save off line. Maps 9.64.1, 197 MB used in
internal storage. I suppose I could save a lot more maps, but then I
have to update them by hand. Nothing is perfect.
Max size it seems to download is ~120MB. Downloading a 96MB map to see
what happens. I wonder why it limits the size. Presumably there's an
area vs. complexity tradeoff...
--
Cheers, Bev
A spokesperson for 60s band 'the animals' has today made a
public apology saying they were mistaken and there isn't a
house in New Orleans after all.
micky
Oct 21, 2017, 11:51:57 PM10/21/17
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In comp.mobile.android, on Sun, 22 Oct 2017 00:01:06 +0000 (UTC), harry
radio.
Maps.me *shows* street numbers. On the map. It might show the outline
of buildings too, I forget, but street numbers are more important.
I find the map of the area I'm going to and look at it, so I know not
just one route but a general understanding of all the streets in the
area. Sometimes the route is totally obvious because I already know all
the streets, or there is no route involved, and I just want to know what
the street numbers are.
There's a law in Baltimore and Baltimore County and many other places
that businesses have to have their street number visible from the
street, but maybe more than half of businesses don't do that. I don't
know why, don't they want people to find them? For apartments and
private homes it can be very hard to see too. So I'd rather know in
advance what block they are on.
In NY, NY, there's a system. For most of the city East and West start at
5th Avenue, and for north and south, take the street number, divide by
20, and add a factor that represents how far north the avenue starts,
and that will give you the cross street.
And I agree with Bev that they are the best, except for that they don't
give street numbers, but I only need street numbers sometimes. Google
maps has satellite view and I don't think maps.me does. (Except for one
hour, it's been almost 5 months since I've used a phone map, since I got
back from my trip.)
>Streets aren't going to change all that much that you need to re-load the
>same map over and over again.
Yeah, but I think they have to tell the advertisers they sell to that
their location will be marked on the map within 30 days.
> It's like replanting your grass every spring
>instead of just leaving it growing where it was.
But you have to plant grass on the bald spots.
the 70's. And when I'm in Baltimore I use an atlas that might go back
to 1985 (I have more than one and the newest is 2000.) None of, or at
least not all the interstates are there, but I have in my head a map of
all the interstates in the country, plus or minus. If I need one, I can
find it, though I avoid interstates. You can go 55 to 65 on US highways
and in some places there is only one light every 20 or 30 miles.
I might still be using the maps from the 50's that my parents left me,
but I dont' want to damage them.
newton <ha...@is.invalid> wrote:
>He who is micky said on Sat, 21 Oct 2017 10:47:48 -0400:
>
>> Maps.me shows street numbers. No other PC or Android program I've used
>> does that.
>
>I'm not sure what you mean, but if you mean by "street numbers" that the
>map won't router to, say, "100 Main Street", I think they *all* do that,
>don't they?
I have no idea. I don't let my maps talk to me. It interferes with the
>He who is micky said on Sat, 21 Oct 2017 10:47:48 -0400:
>
>> Maps.me shows street numbers. No other PC or Android program I've used
>> does that.
>
>I'm not sure what you mean, but if you mean by "street numbers" that the
>map won't router to, say, "100 Main Street", I think they *all* do that,
>don't they?
radio.
Maps.me *shows* street numbers. On the map. It might show the outline
of buildings too, I forget, but street numbers are more important.
I find the map of the area I'm going to and look at it, so I know not
just one route but a general understanding of all the streets in the
area. Sometimes the route is totally obvious because I already know all
the streets, or there is no route involved, and I just want to know what
the street numbers are.
There's a law in Baltimore and Baltimore County and many other places
that businesses have to have their street number visible from the
street, but maybe more than half of businesses don't do that. I don't
know why, don't they want people to find them? For apartments and
private homes it can be very hard to see too. So I'd rather know in
advance what block they are on.
In NY, NY, there's a system. For most of the city East and West start at
5th Avenue, and for north and south, take the street number, divide by
20, and add a factor that represents how far north the avenue starts,
and that will give you the cross street.
>
>Now some, like CoPilot, have better underlying address databases than
>others (OSM being notoriously bad by way of contrast), but they all
>"fundamentally" route to an address.
>
>Don't they?
>
>>>I wish google maps were nicer about offline stuff -- their interface is
>>>clearly the best.
>>
>> When I'm sitting at my desk, I don't mind re-downloading all my maps,
>> but before my next trip, I may go to a friend's with fiber-optic cable
>> and do them there, all at in a row.
>
>How many times do you *load* a map?
>I load the map once in the lifetime of the map app.
Google maps only last 30 days. I think I know why.
>Now some, like CoPilot, have better underlying address databases than
>others (OSM being notoriously bad by way of contrast), but they all
>"fundamentally" route to an address.
>
>Don't they?
>
>>>I wish google maps were nicer about offline stuff -- their interface is
>>>clearly the best.
>>
>> When I'm sitting at my desk, I don't mind re-downloading all my maps,
>> but before my next trip, I may go to a friend's with fiber-optic cable
>> and do them there, all at in a row.
>
>How many times do you *load* a map?
>I load the map once in the lifetime of the map app.
And I agree with Bev that they are the best, except for that they don't
give street numbers, but I only need street numbers sometimes. Google
maps has satellite view and I don't think maps.me does. (Except for one
hour, it's been almost 5 months since I've used a phone map, since I got
back from my trip.)
>Streets aren't going to change all that much that you need to re-load the
>same map over and over again.
their location will be marked on the map within 30 days.
> It's like replanting your grass every spring
>instead of just leaving it growing where it was.
>
>What do you expect to accomplish by reloading the maps?
>(Yes, I know minor changes will be updated - but seriously - do your roads
>change *that* much that you're constantly reloading maps?)
Are you kidding. When I'm out of town I'm still using paper maps from
>What do you expect to accomplish by reloading the maps?
>(Yes, I know minor changes will be updated - but seriously - do your roads
>change *that* much that you're constantly reloading maps?)
the 70's. And when I'm in Baltimore I use an atlas that might go back
to 1985 (I have more than one and the newest is 2000.) None of, or at
least not all the interstates are there, but I have in my head a map of
all the interstates in the country, plus or minus. If I need one, I can
find it, though I avoid interstates. You can go 55 to 65 on US highways
and in some places there is only one light every 20 or 30 miles.
I might still be using the maps from the 50's that my parents left me,
but I dont' want to damage them.
harry newton
Oct 22, 2017, 12:52:13 AM10/22/17
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He who is micky said on Sat, 21 Oct 2017 23:51:55 -0400:
> I have no idea. I don't let my maps talk to me. It interferes with the
> radio.
Oh. Talking. That's different!
There are three kinds of map programs.
1. Those that don't talk at all.
2. Those that talk only the directions (aka "voice navigation")
3. Those that talk also the street names
I think the description of the "talking" map programs are sometimes
purposefully confusing because it's hard to tell, sometimes, whether a
marketing description includes only #2 or if it also includes #3.
Here's an extensive review of map programs that I wrote *years* ago, using
the same phone as I have now, which covered even *more* programs that
talked, e.g., ZNavi and others.
<https://androidforums.com/threads/my-test-of-freeware-android-offline-gps-navigation-applications.806872/>
MapFactor, Navigator, v1.0.35
(Fdroid), OsmAnd~, v1.5-ARM (not the Google Play crippleware version)
Aponia, Be-On-Road, v3.9.26239
Geolife, NavFree USA, v2.1.17
Zoff, ZANavi, v2.0.19
Alk, CoPilot, (timed-out trialware, that turns into decent crippleware)
Google, Maps (30-day map tiles downloaded using the search "OK maps"
feature)
In the same review, I covered offline map programs also:
a. Google MyTracks, v2.0.5
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.maps.mytracks
PRO: Gorgeous and accurate topo maps
PRO: Tracks easily.
PRO: Exports KML nicely.
PRO: Nice distance, elevation, speed, time plots.
CON: Can't zoom to the level that you want to for off-trail hiking.
b. Atlogis, US Topo Maps Free, v1.1.0
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.atlogis.northamerica.free
PRO: You can pinch-zoom to the level that you need for offtrail hiking.
CON: Maps are older versions of USGS paper maps (not the newest versions).
CON: GUI for creating tracks and exporting them is not intuitive.
c. Asamm, Locus Free, v2.17.4
http://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=menion.android.locus
PRO: You can pinch-zoom to the level that you need for offtrail hiking.
PRO: Shows GPS coordinates at all times
CON: Ads are a bit intrusive compared to the other free offline maps
> Maps.me *shows* street numbers. On the map. It might show the outline
> of buildings too, I forget, but street numbers are more important.
I see now you were talking about the *display*.
My bad for misunderstanding as I had thought you were talking about
"routing".
> Google maps only last 30 days. I think I know why.
As you can see from the review that I pointed to above, I tested Google
Maps offline routing when it came out, and all I can say is that my maps
never delete. Of course, I never update Google Maps (I don't even have a
Google Play account), so it might be simply an old feature, but it will nag
but not delete the maps even after *years* on my system.
> And I agree with Bev that they are the best, except for that they don't
> give street numbers, but I only need street numbers sometimes. Google
> maps has satellite view and I don't think maps.me does. (Except for one
> hour, it's been almost 5 months since I've used a phone map, since I got
> back from my trip.)
I think it's interesting that people think some map programs are "the best"
that I think suck, but that just means we use different criteria.
As an example of the criteria I used in 2013 when I lasted tested them
extensively, here's my report (from my link above) of the routing apps that
I basically thought sucked.
a. CloudMade: MapDroyd, v2.0.4, OSM data
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.osa.android.mapdroyd
PRO: I can't think of anything good to say about this map application
CON: Really really really slow map drawing (I'm not sure why).
CON: Can't route; can't talk.
b. MapsWithMe: Maps With Me Lite, OSM data
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mapswithme.maps
PRO: I can't think of a single thing good about this program.
CON: Doesn't route; doesn't talk; doesn't do anything but show your
postion.
CON: Crippleware does not have a search capability
CON: Half the icons on the front map don't work in the crippleware.
CON: Phones home by default unless you turn it off in the settings.
c. Telenav: Scout, v1.6.1.7610003
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.telenav.app.android.scout_us
Note: Complains "Unable to reach server"
Hint: Remove Sim card before installing & give it a bogus phone number.
d. Sygic: GPS, v13.2.2 Uses TomTom maps
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.sygic.aura
Note: Not freeware; so it shouldn't be on this list (7 day free trial only)
CON: After timing out, the program simply refused to run (so I deleted it)
PRO: POIs and street addresses are available offline
PRO: Phone numbers in POIs (and they're callable from the map app)
PRO: Locates POIs in the defined route, even offline.
CON: The next turn isn't shown until you're only a couple miles away! :(
e. 66: Navigate 6, v5.13.46.DB3B2C1.73F9DB5
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.route66.maps5
Note: Uses TomTom maps; routing is not free & maps time out in 30 days
f. Prodevelop: gvSIG Mini Maps, v1.2.3
PRO: The route "to here" usability should be a nice feature
CON: The program crashed on me so many times I gave up.
CON: The maps wouldn't start downloading (and they were only tiles anyway)
g. Google Waze
PRO: Crowd-source up-to-date traffic information
CON: Does not work offline, so it was not tested
h. Mictale: GPS Essentials, v3.2.9
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mictale.gpsessentials
PRO: Automatically caches map tiles that you specifically have looked at.
PRO: Bills itself as the Swiss Army Knife of GPS applications
CON: You only see gray area for map tiles you haven't cached.
CON: Confusing interface. I just can't get it to do what I want.
i. Code Sector: Maverick Lite, v2.2, OSM & MapQuest & Microsoft & others
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.codesector.maverick.lite
PRO: Maps are great! (Microsoft & MapQuest at least)
PRO: Address search is pretty good but only works online.
PRO: Once you've found an address, you can auto-open in another program!
INF: It's good mapping software but I don't see any routing at all?
CON: Crippleware won't search POIs but will allow Lat/Lon entry.
CON: Won't save anything for future use other than saved wavepoints.
CON: Can't do an address search offline.
CON: Doesn't cache maps offline all that well (unreliable).
j. Ulmon, City Maps 2Go, v3.8.0.14, Database = OSM
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ulmon.android.citymaps2go&hl=en
PRO: The maps are readable and the POI search is easy to use
CON: Does not route! (Will only *show* your position on the map)
CON: Limited to 5 free maps but California itself has 58 counties!
CON: Crashed dozens of times on my Android 4.3 Samsung Galaxy S3
>>Streets aren't going to change all that much that you need to re-load the
>>same map over and over again.
>
> Yeah, but I think they have to tell the advertisers they sell to that
> their location will be marked on the map within 30 days.
Oh. What you're talking about are the POIs, which are different from the
maps.
I agree that the POIs change a lot more than do the maps.
> I have no idea. I don't let my maps talk to me. It interferes with the
> radio.
There are three kinds of map programs.
1. Those that don't talk at all.
2. Those that talk only the directions (aka "voice navigation")
3. Those that talk also the street names
I think the description of the "talking" map programs are sometimes
purposefully confusing because it's hard to tell, sometimes, whether a
marketing description includes only #2 or if it also includes #3.
Here's an extensive review of map programs that I wrote *years* ago, using
the same phone as I have now, which covered even *more* programs that
talked, e.g., ZNavi and others.
<https://androidforums.com/threads/my-test-of-freeware-android-offline-gps-navigation-applications.806872/>
MapFactor, Navigator, v1.0.35
(Fdroid), OsmAnd~, v1.5-ARM (not the Google Play crippleware version)
Aponia, Be-On-Road, v3.9.26239
Geolife, NavFree USA, v2.1.17
Zoff, ZANavi, v2.0.19
Alk, CoPilot, (timed-out trialware, that turns into decent crippleware)
Google, Maps (30-day map tiles downloaded using the search "OK maps"
feature)
In the same review, I covered offline map programs also:
a. Google MyTracks, v2.0.5
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.maps.mytracks
PRO: Gorgeous and accurate topo maps
PRO: Tracks easily.
PRO: Exports KML nicely.
PRO: Nice distance, elevation, speed, time plots.
CON: Can't zoom to the level that you want to for off-trail hiking.
b. Atlogis, US Topo Maps Free, v1.1.0
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.atlogis.northamerica.free
PRO: You can pinch-zoom to the level that you need for offtrail hiking.
CON: Maps are older versions of USGS paper maps (not the newest versions).
CON: GUI for creating tracks and exporting them is not intuitive.
c. Asamm, Locus Free, v2.17.4
http://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=menion.android.locus
PRO: You can pinch-zoom to the level that you need for offtrail hiking.
PRO: Shows GPS coordinates at all times
CON: Ads are a bit intrusive compared to the other free offline maps
> Maps.me *shows* street numbers. On the map. It might show the outline
> of buildings too, I forget, but street numbers are more important.
My bad for misunderstanding as I had thought you were talking about
"routing".
> Google maps only last 30 days. I think I know why.
Maps offline routing when it came out, and all I can say is that my maps
never delete. Of course, I never update Google Maps (I don't even have a
Google Play account), so it might be simply an old feature, but it will nag
but not delete the maps even after *years* on my system.
> And I agree with Bev that they are the best, except for that they don't
> give street numbers, but I only need street numbers sometimes. Google
> maps has satellite view and I don't think maps.me does. (Except for one
> hour, it's been almost 5 months since I've used a phone map, since I got
> back from my trip.)
that I think suck, but that just means we use different criteria.
As an example of the criteria I used in 2013 when I lasted tested them
extensively, here's my report (from my link above) of the routing apps that
I basically thought sucked.
a. CloudMade: MapDroyd, v2.0.4, OSM data
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.osa.android.mapdroyd
PRO: I can't think of anything good to say about this map application
CON: Really really really slow map drawing (I'm not sure why).
CON: Can't route; can't talk.
b. MapsWithMe: Maps With Me Lite, OSM data
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mapswithme.maps
PRO: I can't think of a single thing good about this program.
CON: Doesn't route; doesn't talk; doesn't do anything but show your
postion.
CON: Crippleware does not have a search capability
CON: Half the icons on the front map don't work in the crippleware.
CON: Phones home by default unless you turn it off in the settings.
c. Telenav: Scout, v1.6.1.7610003
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.telenav.app.android.scout_us
Note: Complains "Unable to reach server"
Hint: Remove Sim card before installing & give it a bogus phone number.
d. Sygic: GPS, v13.2.2 Uses TomTom maps
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.sygic.aura
Note: Not freeware; so it shouldn't be on this list (7 day free trial only)
CON: After timing out, the program simply refused to run (so I deleted it)
PRO: POIs and street addresses are available offline
PRO: Phone numbers in POIs (and they're callable from the map app)
PRO: Locates POIs in the defined route, even offline.
CON: The next turn isn't shown until you're only a couple miles away! :(
e. 66: Navigate 6, v5.13.46.DB3B2C1.73F9DB5
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.route66.maps5
Note: Uses TomTom maps; routing is not free & maps time out in 30 days
f. Prodevelop: gvSIG Mini Maps, v1.2.3
PRO: The route "to here" usability should be a nice feature
CON: The program crashed on me so many times I gave up.
CON: The maps wouldn't start downloading (and they were only tiles anyway)
g. Google Waze
PRO: Crowd-source up-to-date traffic information
CON: Does not work offline, so it was not tested
h. Mictale: GPS Essentials, v3.2.9
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mictale.gpsessentials
PRO: Automatically caches map tiles that you specifically have looked at.
PRO: Bills itself as the Swiss Army Knife of GPS applications
CON: You only see gray area for map tiles you haven't cached.
CON: Confusing interface. I just can't get it to do what I want.
i. Code Sector: Maverick Lite, v2.2, OSM & MapQuest & Microsoft & others
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.codesector.maverick.lite
PRO: Maps are great! (Microsoft & MapQuest at least)
PRO: Address search is pretty good but only works online.
PRO: Once you've found an address, you can auto-open in another program!
INF: It's good mapping software but I don't see any routing at all?
CON: Crippleware won't search POIs but will allow Lat/Lon entry.
CON: Won't save anything for future use other than saved wavepoints.
CON: Can't do an address search offline.
CON: Doesn't cache maps offline all that well (unreliable).
j. Ulmon, City Maps 2Go, v3.8.0.14, Database = OSM
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ulmon.android.citymaps2go&hl=en
PRO: The maps are readable and the POI search is easy to use
CON: Does not route! (Will only *show* your position on the map)
CON: Limited to 5 free maps but California itself has 58 counties!
CON: Crashed dozens of times on my Android 4.3 Samsung Galaxy S3
>>Streets aren't going to change all that much that you need to re-load the
>>same map over and over again.
>
> Yeah, but I think they have to tell the advertisers they sell to that
> their location will be marked on the map within 30 days.
maps.
I agree that the POIs change a lot more than do the maps.
The Real Bev
Oct 22, 2017, 9:50:42 PM10/22/17
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memory, you might have to delete one/some before downloading another.
--
Cheers, Bev
"I read somewhere that 77 per cent of all the mentally ill live in
poverty. Actually, I'm more intrigued by the 23 per cent who are
apparently doing quite well for themselves." -- Emo Philips
micky
Oct 22, 2017, 10:12:04 PM10/22/17
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In comp.mobile.android, on Sun, 22 Oct 2017 00:01:12 +0000 (UTC), harry
newton <ha...@is.invalid> wrote:
>He who is Frank Slootweg said on 21 Oct 2017 18:15:53 GMT:
>
>> Anyway, if the changing UI is your main concern, then don't
>> auto-update it and perhaps rollback to an earlier version.
>
>Just a suggestion...
>
>I suggest everyone install an automatic APK archival app which simply saves
>the APK of all your apps (whether or not you update them).
Too many to choose. Which one do you use?
>He who is Frank Slootweg said on 21 Oct 2017 18:15:53 GMT:
>
>> Anyway, if the changing UI is your main concern, then don't
>> auto-update it and perhaps rollback to an earlier version.
>
>Just a suggestion...
>
>I suggest everyone install an automatic APK archival app which simply saves
>the APK of all your apps (whether or not you update them).
micky
Oct 23, 2017, 12:14:54 AM10/23/17
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In comp.mobile.android, on Sat, 21 Oct 2017 10:47:48 -0400, micky
house.
Google maps is good about street numbers -- it doesn't display them in
the map but when you enter an address it is good about finding it.
Except my house which is at least 2 blocks off. FWIW, maps.me got it
just right including the last digit. But like I say, it's rare that
google is even a half a block off.
<NONONO...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
>Maps.me shows street numbers. No other PC or Android program I've used
>does that. IIRC, unless you have loads of data to use, you do have to
>preload your maps, but I didn't find that a problem.
I used it today and it did show the outlines of buildings, including my
>
>Maps.me shows street numbers. No other PC or Android program I've used
>does that. IIRC, unless you have loads of data to use, you do have to
>preload your maps, but I didn't find that a problem.
house.
Google maps is good about street numbers -- it doesn't display them in
the map but when you enter an address it is good about finding it.
Except my house which is at least 2 blocks off. FWIW, maps.me got it
just right including the last digit. But like I say, it's rare that
google is even a half a block off.
M.L.
Oct 23, 2017, 1:35:46 AM10/23/17
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>>I suggest everyone install an automatic APK archival app which simply saves
>>the APK of all your apps (whether or not you update them).
>
>Too many to choose. Which one do you use?
its interface might be more complex than needed for your task. It only
saves apk for non-rooted phones. Saves apk and app data for rooted
phones. Works reliably. Supports auto-backups.
App Backup & Restore has good reviews on Google Play Store and it's
specifically suited for your task. Supports auto-backups.
Easy Backup & Restore
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mdroidapps.easybackup&hl=en
App Backup & Restore
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=mobi.usage.appbackup&hl=en
Libor 'Poutnik' Stříž
Oct 23, 2017, 4:32:40 AM10/23/17
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Dne 23.10.2017 v 06:14 micky napsal(a):
OpenStreetMaps based maps contains house numbers
and various android applications show them, so do search by them.
Namely MaspFactor Navigator as dedicated car routing,
OSMANd as well, as general purpuse navigation,
or LocusMaps, the primarily outdoor application displaying them.
( House number search based on online services, as it does not have its
own routing )
But I rarely use GPS applications for car routing,
rather for bicycle and Hiking trips.
--
Poutnik ( The Pilgrim, Der Wanderer )
A wise man guards words he says,
as they say about him more,
than he says about the subject.
and various android applications show them, so do search by them.
Namely MaspFactor Navigator as dedicated car routing,
OSMANd as well, as general purpuse navigation,
or LocusMaps, the primarily outdoor application displaying them.
( House number search based on online services, as it does not have its
own routing )
But I rarely use GPS applications for car routing,
rather for bicycle and Hiking trips.
--
Poutnik ( The Pilgrim, Der Wanderer )
A wise man guards words he says,
as they say about him more,
than he says about the subject.
harry newton
Oct 23, 2017, 9:48:58 AM10/23/17
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He who is The Real Bev said on Sun, 22 Oct 2017 18:50:41 -0700:
> In google maps' offline maps case, since it loads them in INTERNAL
> memory, you might have to delete one/some before downloading another.
I have a circa 2102 Smartphone with 16GB of memory, and *hundreds* of
programs, and I haven't run out of memory yet.
I do have an internal additional micro-SD card though...
> In google maps' offline maps case, since it loads them in INTERNAL
> memory, you might have to delete one/some before downloading another.
programs, and I haven't run out of memory yet.
I do have an internal additional micro-SD card though...
harry newton
Oct 23, 2017, 10:18:28 AM10/23/17
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He who is M.L. said on Mon, 23 Oct 2017 00:35:44 -0500:
> I use Easy Backup & Restore but it does much more than apk backups, so
> its interface might be more complex than needed for your task. It only
> saves apk for non-rooted phones. Saves apk and app data for rooted
> phones. Works reliably. Supports auto-backups.
>
> App Backup & Restore has good reviews on Google Play Store and it's
> specifically suited for your task. Supports auto-backups.
>
> Easy Backup & Restore
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mdroidapps.easybackup&hl=en
>
> App Backup & Restore
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=mobi.usage.appbackup&hl=en
I tested *all* of the freeware apk backup apps years ago and latched onto
- App Backup & Restore mobi.infolife.appbackup version 3.2.0 (9/20/2016)
<http://wetakepic.com/images/2017/10/23/appbackup.jpg>
Someone told me the new versions aren't as good as the old, so caveat
emptor.
Suffice to say all my apps are always the best that I can find at the time,
where it's all freeware and almost none (maybe even none) have ads or other
obnoxious crap (like phoning home and other insults).
> I use Easy Backup & Restore but it does much more than apk backups, so
> its interface might be more complex than needed for your task. It only
> saves apk for non-rooted phones. Saves apk and app data for rooted
> phones. Works reliably. Supports auto-backups.
>
> App Backup & Restore has good reviews on Google Play Store and it's
> specifically suited for your task. Supports auto-backups.
>
> Easy Backup & Restore
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mdroidapps.easybackup&hl=en
>
> App Backup & Restore
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=mobi.usage.appbackup&hl=en
- App Backup & Restore mobi.infolife.appbackup version 3.2.0 (9/20/2016)
<http://wetakepic.com/images/2017/10/23/appbackup.jpg>
Someone told me the new versions aren't as good as the old, so caveat
emptor.
Suffice to say all my apps are always the best that I can find at the time,
where it's all freeware and almost none (maybe even none) have ads or other
obnoxious crap (like phoning home and other insults).
harry newton
Oct 23, 2017, 10:18:48 AM10/23/17
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He who is Libor 'Poutnik' St+AVkA7QF+- said on Mon, 23 Oct 2017 10:32:39 +-0200:
> OpenStreetMaps based maps contains house numbers
> and various android applications show them, so do search by them.
That's what I had thought.
One question of clarification for the group's tribal knowledge please...
I know that the POI database (which contains, for example, banks and
starbucks) is a *separate* file from the map itself.
Are the house numbers (e.g., 100 Main Street, Anytown, USA, 00001) also in
that POI database or are the house numbers in a *separate* database?
> But I rarely use GPS applications for car routing,
> rather for bicycle and Hiking trips.
If you look at my review from a few years ago, I covered off-road hiking
maps, where I hike in mountainous terrain every day, and where I have found
OSM maps utterly *suck* like you can't believe for lack of accuracy in the
USA where I hike.
The *only* good maps are the (luckily free) USGS maps, which I understand
will only be available in the USA.
I just want people to know this who live in the USA so that they don't
waste their time on OSM maps offroad.
The OSM offroad maps are great for when you *stay* on the trail though,
which most people do, since accuracy in terrain isn't required when you are
simply following a trail.
But I'm never on a trail. My friends tell me I am lost the moment I am
forced to hike on a trail. :)
Here's a screenshot of my one-pane desktop map apps, where it's designed to
be used with just my left hand ... and where I put the apps in
best-to-worst order, and where any app that sucks is deleted instantly.
<http://wetakepic.com/images/2017/10/23/hikemap.jpg>
--
Note the single pane desktop is designed to be used by only the left hand.
> OpenStreetMaps based maps contains house numbers
> and various android applications show them, so do search by them.
One question of clarification for the group's tribal knowledge please...
I know that the POI database (which contains, for example, banks and
starbucks) is a *separate* file from the map itself.
Are the house numbers (e.g., 100 Main Street, Anytown, USA, 00001) also in
that POI database or are the house numbers in a *separate* database?
> But I rarely use GPS applications for car routing,
> rather for bicycle and Hiking trips.
maps, where I hike in mountainous terrain every day, and where I have found
OSM maps utterly *suck* like you can't believe for lack of accuracy in the
USA where I hike.
The *only* good maps are the (luckily free) USGS maps, which I understand
will only be available in the USA.
I just want people to know this who live in the USA so that they don't
waste their time on OSM maps offroad.
The OSM offroad maps are great for when you *stay* on the trail though,
which most people do, since accuracy in terrain isn't required when you are
simply following a trail.
But I'm never on a trail. My friends tell me I am lost the moment I am
forced to hike on a trail. :)
Here's a screenshot of my one-pane desktop map apps, where it's designed to
be used with just my left hand ... and where I put the apps in
best-to-worst order, and where any app that sucks is deleted instantly.
<http://wetakepic.com/images/2017/10/23/hikemap.jpg>
--
Note the single pane desktop is designed to be used by only the left hand.
micky
Oct 23, 2017, 12:09:47 PM10/23/17
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In comp.mobile.android, on Mon, 23 Oct 2017 13:48:56 +0000 (UTC), harry
Are you talking about an iphone?
harry newton
Oct 24, 2017, 8:43:07 AM10/24/17
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He who is micky said on Mon, 23 Oct 2017 12:09:45 -0400:
>>I do have an internal additional micro-SD card though...
>
> Are you talking about an iphone?
As you infer, the limitations of iPhones are legendary.
As you know, I have bought *plenty* of iPhones, and I have jailbroken one,
and I currently own multiple iPads, so, I'm very familiar with the inherent
limitations you imply that are the nemesis of *all* the Apple platforms.
Do you actually know *why*
HINT:
The limitations you infer fit perfectly into Apple Marketing strategy.
>>I do have an internal additional micro-SD card though...
>
> Are you talking about an iphone?
As you know, I have bought *plenty* of iPhones, and I have jailbroken one,
and I currently own multiple iPads, so, I'm very familiar with the inherent
limitations you imply that are the nemesis of *all* the Apple platforms.
Do you actually know *why*
HINT:
The limitations you infer fit perfectly into Apple Marketing strategy.
micky
Oct 24, 2017, 11:42:59 AM10/24/17
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In comp.mobile.android, on Tue, 24 Oct 2017 12:43:06 +0000 (UTC), harry
>and I currently own multiple iPads, so, I'm very familiar with the inherent
>limitations you imply that are the nemesis of *all* the Apple platforms.
>
>Do you actually know *why*
What I care about is why you post in an Android group someething that
doesn't relate to Android, without specifying that you are talking about
another OS. You don't care how misleading that previous post was to
someone who figures, with plenty of justification, that you're talking
about Android. Since this is an Android group. People come and go in
this group and some have no way to know you're interested in iphones,
and despite your apparent ego, even people who are here don't read every
thread and even when they read a thread, they don't all keep track of
who wrote what.
So your comment about installing many aps was totally misplaced. If you
wanted to promote iphones here, as futile as that would be, be upfront
and says, Iphones allow you to install many aps. Instead, you were
intentionally obscure by referring to Smartphones.
You should also stop cross posting iphone only posts to this group. It
is spam.
>
>HINT:
>The limitations you infer fit perfectly into Apple Marketing strategy.
I didn't infer any limitations.
newton <ha...@is.invalid> wrote:
>He who is micky said on Mon, 23 Oct 2017 12:09:45 -0400:
>
>>>I do have an internal additional micro-SD card though...
>>
>> Are you talking about an iphone?
>
>As you infer, the limitations of iPhones are legendary.
I did not infer that.
>He who is micky said on Mon, 23 Oct 2017 12:09:45 -0400:
>
>>>I do have an internal additional micro-SD card though...
>>
>> Are you talking about an iphone?
>
>As you infer, the limitations of iPhones are legendary.
>
>As you know, I have bought *plenty* of iPhones, and I have jailbroken one,
I don't know that either. I don't keep track of your life.
>As you know, I have bought *plenty* of iPhones, and I have jailbroken one,
>and I currently own multiple iPads, so, I'm very familiar with the inherent
>limitations you imply that are the nemesis of *all* the Apple platforms.
>
>Do you actually know *why*
doesn't relate to Android, without specifying that you are talking about
another OS. You don't care how misleading that previous post was to
someone who figures, with plenty of justification, that you're talking
about Android. Since this is an Android group. People come and go in
this group and some have no way to know you're interested in iphones,
and despite your apparent ego, even people who are here don't read every
thread and even when they read a thread, they don't all keep track of
who wrote what.
So your comment about installing many aps was totally misplaced. If you
wanted to promote iphones here, as futile as that would be, be upfront
and says, Iphones allow you to install many aps. Instead, you were
intentionally obscure by referring to Smartphones.
You should also stop cross posting iphone only posts to this group. It
is spam.
>
>HINT:
>The limitations you infer fit perfectly into Apple Marketing strategy.
harry newton
Oct 24, 2017, 11:54:41 AM10/24/17
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He who is micky said on Tue, 24 Oct 2017 11:42:54 -0400:
>>As you infer, the limitations of iPhones are legendary.
>
> I did not infer that.
Well then, why did you bring up iPhones completely out of the blue?
Nobody was talking about iPhones except you.
>>Do you actually know *why*
>
> What I care about is why you post in an Android group someething that
> doesn't relate to Android, without specifying that you are talking about
> another OS.
Did you grow up on another planet?
Who was talking about iPhones except you?
You were the one who asked *me* if I was talking about iPhones when I was
talking about my Android phone, obviously, since I said it had an external
sd card.
So you're either an idiot who can't keep track of his own thoughts, or
you're just pulling out legs by bringing the iPhone into this conversation,
and then, when I replied, you lambaste me for replying to *your* concerns.
> You don't care how misleading that previous post was to
> someone who figures, with plenty of justification, that you're talking
> about Android.
What language do you comprehend?
Fundamentally, The Real Bev asked a question, and we all gave her Android
answers. I even linked to extensive research in the past on the Android
forums that I did myself. And I linked to Android apps. And all my
screenshots were Android equipment.
You brought up iPhones.
Then when I responded to you, you lambaste me for responding to you.
Are you nuts?
Or just incredibly stupid?
It's hard to tell.
> Since this is an Android group. People come and go in
> this group and some have no way to know you're interested in iphones,
> and despite your apparent ego, even people who are here don't read every
> thread and even when they read a thread, they don't all keep track of
> who wrote what.
You're nuts.
I said *nothing* about iPhones in the posts you're responding to except to
respond to *your* question about iPhones.
Go ask The Real Bev if my answers to her had anything to do with iPhones.
Please use your brain for once. Instead of your emotions.
> So your comment about installing many aps was totally misplaced. If you
> wanted to promote iphones here, as futile as that would be, be upfront
> and says, Iphones allow you to install many aps. Instead, you were
> intentionally obscure by referring to Smartphones.
You are either incredibly stupid or just plain nuts.
I must have posted more than a dozen links, all of which were Android.
I must have also snapped more than a dozen snapshots, all of which are
Android.
What makes you ask an iPhone question and then when I respond to your
iPhone question, you lambaste me?
Are you nuts?
Or just incredibly stupid?
Pick one.
> You should also stop cross posting iphone only posts to this group. It
> is spam.
Each thread is a different topic.
What you're complaining about has *nothing* to do with this thread.
Nothing.
You're just nuts.
Or super duper emotional about something NOT in this thread.
Where in this thread did *anyone* post anything to an iPhone group?
Everything you have written just shows you're crazy.
I ask the OP if she thinks *anything* in this thread other than your query
about iPhone has *anything* whatseover to do with iPhones?
>>HINT:
>>The limitations you infer fit perfectly into Apple Marketing strategy.
>
> I didn't infer any limitations.
Then why did you bring up iPhones in relation to the external sd card?
>>As you infer, the limitations of iPhones are legendary.
>
> I did not infer that.
Nobody was talking about iPhones except you.
>>Do you actually know *why*
>
> What I care about is why you post in an Android group someething that
> doesn't relate to Android, without specifying that you are talking about
> another OS.
Who was talking about iPhones except you?
You were the one who asked *me* if I was talking about iPhones when I was
talking about my Android phone, obviously, since I said it had an external
sd card.
So you're either an idiot who can't keep track of his own thoughts, or
you're just pulling out legs by bringing the iPhone into this conversation,
and then, when I replied, you lambaste me for replying to *your* concerns.
> You don't care how misleading that previous post was to
> someone who figures, with plenty of justification, that you're talking
> about Android.
Fundamentally, The Real Bev asked a question, and we all gave her Android
answers. I even linked to extensive research in the past on the Android
forums that I did myself. And I linked to Android apps. And all my
screenshots were Android equipment.
You brought up iPhones.
Then when I responded to you, you lambaste me for responding to you.
Are you nuts?
Or just incredibly stupid?
It's hard to tell.
> Since this is an Android group. People come and go in
> this group and some have no way to know you're interested in iphones,
> and despite your apparent ego, even people who are here don't read every
> thread and even when they read a thread, they don't all keep track of
> who wrote what.
I said *nothing* about iPhones in the posts you're responding to except to
respond to *your* question about iPhones.
Go ask The Real Bev if my answers to her had anything to do with iPhones.
Please use your brain for once. Instead of your emotions.
> So your comment about installing many aps was totally misplaced. If you
> wanted to promote iphones here, as futile as that would be, be upfront
> and says, Iphones allow you to install many aps. Instead, you were
> intentionally obscure by referring to Smartphones.
I must have posted more than a dozen links, all of which were Android.
I must have also snapped more than a dozen snapshots, all of which are
Android.
What makes you ask an iPhone question and then when I respond to your
iPhone question, you lambaste me?
Are you nuts?
Or just incredibly stupid?
Pick one.
> You should also stop cross posting iphone only posts to this group. It
> is spam.
What you're complaining about has *nothing* to do with this thread.
Nothing.
You're just nuts.
Or super duper emotional about something NOT in this thread.
Where in this thread did *anyone* post anything to an iPhone group?
Everything you have written just shows you're crazy.
I ask the OP if she thinks *anything* in this thread other than your query
about iPhone has *anything* whatseover to do with iPhones?
>>HINT:
>>The limitations you infer fit perfectly into Apple Marketing strategy.
>
> I didn't infer any limitations.
harry newton
Oct 26, 2017, 6:30:02 PM10/26/17
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He who is harry newton said on Sat, 21 Oct 2017 10:07:39 +0000 (UTC):
> I just noticed this line, which is interesting because I almost never use
> any freeware app that has ads, unless there the app does something that no
> other app does.
As I have said, I have *never* (that I can remember) seen an ad on Android,
and I *only* use free apps (only the best are what I use).
I just realized, while I was explaining to the Windows people how to
maintain the same HOSTS file on Android and on Windows, that I have an
ad-blocking app that modifies my hosts file:
Here's the app link I use for this ad blocker which adds to the hosts file:
<https://f-droid.org/packages/org.adaway/>
Maybe *that's* why I have never seen an ad on Android, ever?
> I just noticed this line, which is interesting because I almost never use
> any freeware app that has ads, unless there the app does something that no
> other app does.
and I *only* use free apps (only the best are what I use).
I just realized, while I was explaining to the Windows people how to
maintain the same HOSTS file on Android and on Windows, that I have an
ad-blocking app that modifies my hosts file:
Here's the app link I use for this ad blocker which adds to the hosts file:
<https://f-droid.org/packages/org.adaway/>
Maybe *that's* why I have never seen an ad on Android, ever?
Arlen Holder
Feb 25, 2020, 9:11:41 PM2/25/20
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UPDATE:
On 17 Feb 2020 16:18:20 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> While Sygic has a free version, I think it does not satisfy your
> other requirements:
Thanks Frank Slootweg for that advice and for understanding the freeware,
no login, privacy, offline, and traffic requirements, where, after testing,
as you predicted, I was forced to delete the Sygic, Maverick Lite, Aponia,
HereWeGo, CoPilot, GeoLife, Navmii, Locus Maps, MapDroyd, Rout 66, & ZANavi
freeware Android offline map applications, where this was the short list
tested this week:
<https://i.postimg.cc/dtBmLFGp/directions01.jpg>
Given addresstogps doesn't seem to work anymore...
<http://s1.bild.me/bilder/110417/5217118lookup02.jpg>
<http://s1.bild.me/bilder/110417/7012818lookup01.jpg>
There are only 3 free offline map applications, IMHO, that fit privacy
requirements (where the Google trick below is used only because of Google's
fantastic traffic capability, set to the best privacy mode possible):
<http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=2528509lookup00.jpg>
a. A desktop shortcut to the google maps web page
<https://google.com/maps/@37,-122,12z/data=!5m1!1e1>
<https://i.postimg.cc/25VWFLD8/traffic01.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/fRbSDSkj/traffic02.jpg>
b. OSMAnd~ (mine is from F-Droid)
<https://f-droid.org/packages/net.osmand.plus/>
c. MapFactor Navigator (with the special American English voice, Carly)
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mapfactor.navigator>
<https://i.postimg.cc/XJd936V2/directions02.jpg>
These failed the basic privacy tests (now or in the past):
1. CoPilot GPS - Navigation, by ALK Technologies
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.alk.copilot.mapviewer>
2. Sygic, by Sygic maps navigation
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.sygic.aura>
3. Navmii GPS USA (Navfree), by Navmii
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.navfree.android.OSM.USA>
4. Maverick Lite
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.codesector.maverick.lite>
5. Route 66
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.route66navigation>
6. Offline Maps
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.navigation.offlinemaps.gps>
7. Maps.Me
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mapswithme.maps.pro>
8. City Maps 2Go
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ulmon.android.citymaps2go>
Did we miss testing any free offline road maps for Android?
<https://play.google.com/store/search?q=offline%20maps&c=apps>
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On 17 Feb 2020 16:18:20 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> While Sygic has a free version, I think it does not satisfy your
> other requirements:
Thanks Frank Slootweg for that advice and for understanding the freeware,
no login, privacy, offline, and traffic requirements, where, after testing,
as you predicted, I was forced to delete the Sygic, Maverick Lite, Aponia,
HereWeGo, CoPilot, GeoLife, Navmii, Locus Maps, MapDroyd, Rout 66, & ZANavi
freeware Android offline map applications, where this was the short list
tested this week:
<https://i.postimg.cc/dtBmLFGp/directions01.jpg>
Given addresstogps doesn't seem to work anymore...
<http://s1.bild.me/bilder/110417/5217118lookup02.jpg>
<http://s1.bild.me/bilder/110417/7012818lookup01.jpg>
There are only 3 free offline map applications, IMHO, that fit privacy
requirements (where the Google trick below is used only because of Google's
fantastic traffic capability, set to the best privacy mode possible):
<http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=2528509lookup00.jpg>
a. A desktop shortcut to the google maps web page
<https://google.com/maps/@37,-122,12z/data=!5m1!1e1>
<https://i.postimg.cc/25VWFLD8/traffic01.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/fRbSDSkj/traffic02.jpg>
b. OSMAnd~ (mine is from F-Droid)
<https://f-droid.org/packages/net.osmand.plus/>
c. MapFactor Navigator (with the special American English voice, Carly)
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mapfactor.navigator>
<https://i.postimg.cc/XJd936V2/directions02.jpg>
These failed the basic privacy tests (now or in the past):
1. CoPilot GPS - Navigation, by ALK Technologies
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.alk.copilot.mapviewer>
2. Sygic, by Sygic maps navigation
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.sygic.aura>
3. Navmii GPS USA (Navfree), by Navmii
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.navfree.android.OSM.USA>
4. Maverick Lite
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.codesector.maverick.lite>
5. Route 66
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.route66navigation>
6. Offline Maps
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.navigation.offlinemaps.gps>
7. Maps.Me
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mapswithme.maps.pro>
8. City Maps 2Go
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ulmon.android.citymaps2go>
Did we miss testing any free offline road maps for Android?
<https://play.google.com/store/search?q=offline%20maps&c=apps>
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