On 27 Aug 2018 10:52:51 GMT, sms wrote:
> Not everyone wants a phablet. My wife could have chosen an
> iPhone Plus, instead of a non-Plus, from work, but didn't want a larger
> phone.
As you know, I give out about a half dozen or so phones a year as gifts to
my relatives (they all come to me for phone advice) which is why I have
plenty of Android and iOS devices on hand at any one time (although the
iPhones tend to be kept longer than the Android devices as those recipients
are far more brand loyal).
For me, the phablet ($130 LG Stylo 3 Plus) is a good size for my tired old
eyes, but as a gift to technically inclined boys, the Moto X4 you speak of
seems to be a *great* competitor to the far less functional iPhone 8 (which
costs about twice as much for about half as much hardware functionality).
The RAM alone on the Moto X4 is up to double that of the less functional
iPhone 8, and that's before we even begin to count that there is no app
functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android while the amount of app
functionality on Android literally makes iOS app functionality look
downright primitive.
The *only* advantage of the iPhone 8 over the Moto X seems to be the
benchmark scores - which - are important - but - it's hard to compare since
they're run on different operating systems - and - in the past - Apple has
secretly, drastically, and permanently *halved* the CPU performance of its
recent phones.
So a key question to look up (which I haven't looked up) is whether Apple
will halve the CPU performance of the iPhone 8 in about a year?
If it does, then there is _nothing_ hardwarewise that the iPhone 8 has that
isn't already in the Moto X4 and there is still plenty of hardware
functionality in the Moto X that isn't in the iPhone 8 (nor in any iPhone
ever built).
> It will be interesting to see what the next iPhone generation has in
> terms of screen sizes.
When I give out gifts, I find out from the parents what the kids want,
where most of the non technical girls want iPhones while the technical boys
generally want whatever works best.
The boys aren't necessarily against Apple equipment - they're just not so
driven by fear and style as are the girls, in my experience.
> Counting cores is meaningless, You need to look at actual
> performance.The Stylo 3 Plus has a dismal Geekbench multicore result of
> 2578, the iPhone 8 is at 10178. That said, I've never found the Stylo 3
> Plus to lag, but I don't play games that would use a lot of CPU power. I
> also don't have full-encryption turned on, which is a big CPU drain.
As you know, I have iOS and Android equipment, where my current iOS device
is the $300 Costco WiFi-only 128GB iPad and my current Android device is
the $130 LG Stylo 3 Plus.
I find neither of them "lags". I don't run Spice simulations on them, nor
do I use AutoCAD vector graphics CAD programs. I don't play silly games
either.
I use the phones for the typical stuff (talking, texting, emailing, videos,
automatic call recording, automatic SMS texting, calendaring, minimal web
browsing, mapping, traffic, routing, wifi debugging, cellular debugging,
etc.), where I find the Android device far more functional overall with
respect to software applications.
I'm sure "gaming" stresses the device - but it's the last thing from my
mind, and, I might add, I've asked the kids who get the phones as gifts,
where the older ones (teens and up) do their gaming on desktops with NVidia
graphics cards, and the youngish ones (elementary school) are the only ones
"gaming" on the mobile devices.
While CPU performance is always a "good thing", you have to remember that
Apple secretly, drastically, and permanently *halved* the CPU performance
of the iPhone 7 Plus I'm comparing my LG Stylo 3 Plus to ... where almost
all the hardware on the LG was *better* than the iPhone other than the two
important factors of CPU speed and RAM.
So I agree that the CPU & RAM are important, but since Apple is going to
permanently halve the iPhone 7 Plus CPU after about a year, then the iPhone
7 Plus benchmark scores are completely bogus.
> Unlikely. If you look at the iPhone 8 design, the power section has been
> significantly upgraded from the iPhone 7/6s/6, with the addition of
> third PMIC
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> The root cause of the throttling was not an aged battery, but a new
> battery did mitigate the issue. When doing power management design you
> need to account for the reduced capacity of Li-Ion batteries as they age
> and ensure that your power solution can deliver sufficient current even
> from an older battery.
I am well aware that the real problem with the current generation of iPhone
is simply stated as a "defective design", which Apple tried to secretly
mask by drastically and permanently throttling the CPU speeds such that all
benchmark scores are bogus for the affected set of iPhones.
If we had faith that Apple wasn't going to secretly, drastically, and
permanently throttle the iPhone 8, then at least we can trust its benchmark
scores to be about what you get after about a year of use.
The problem with comparing benchmark scores is that they don't necessarily
translate between operating systems - and - benchmarks aren't necessarily a
good test of what the user actually does - but - it's likely the best we
have.
Hence, as logical sentient adults, we can hand the 5-core iPhone 8 a
benchmark win on hardware (which is important) but we have to weigh that
one factor against the fact that the hardware of the twice-as-expensive
iPhone 8 appears to be inferior to all the other hardware features you
noted in your spreadsheet.
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For the money you spend on the iPhone, you can get two better Android
phones, it seems, not only based on hardware features alone but on software
(where even a five year old Android phone has far more app functionality
than any iPhone ever made).