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scheme to replace the lamp stack with unix and scheme

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gavino_learning

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Sep 10, 2014, 2:47:13 PM9/10/14
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scheme seems capable

anything skipping the sql db and keeping the data in scheme and running dynamic e commerce sites?

seems the classic lamp and even lamp+memcached are tired and have too many layers

godek....@gmail.com

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Sep 11, 2014, 4:35:49 AM9/11/14
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> scheme seems capable
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> anything skipping the sql db and keeping the data in scheme and running dynamic e commerce sites?
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> seems the classic lamp and even lamp+memcached are tired and have too many layers

I recently started to use Django, and I have to say that I'm really pleased
with the way it tackles SQL databases. There's no SQL code involved at all
and everything happens within Python's quite elegant interface.

It also makes a good use of Python's object model that is lacking from Scheme.

However, if you're interested in utilizing Lisp in the web environment,
I think that clojure/clojurescript is worth giving a try.

gavino

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Oct 9, 2014, 1:16:25 AM10/9/14
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no java! oracle is evil!

godek....@gmail.com

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Oct 9, 2014, 5:15:22 AM10/9/14
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W dniu czwartek, 9 października 2014 07:16:25 UTC+2 użytkownik gavino napisał:
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> no java! oracle is evil!

why so? [actually, I've never used it, mainly because there's never been such need, but I have no ideological issues with that]

Marko Rauhamaa

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Oct 9, 2014, 5:54:47 AM10/9/14
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godek....@gmail.com:
Used Oracle or Java?

Java is really well-thought-out language, and Oracle has some other
great things, too (VirtualBox). However, Oracle is famously only
concerned of the hard business values, which makes you wary of the
future when your interests collide with Oracle's.


Marko

gavino

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Oct 15, 2014, 1:36:34 AM10/15/14
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java is utter shit from a total crony communist

godek....@gmail.com

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Oct 15, 2014, 5:23:30 AM10/15/14
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W dniu środa, 15 października 2014 07:36:34 UTC+2 użytkownik gavino napisał:
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> java is utter shit from a total crony communist

even if you are willing to write impolite and ideologically biased comments,
please make it your habit to justify your opinions with verifiable
statements. otherwise it is impossible to discuss with you reasonably,
or even to understand your points.

gavino_learning

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Oct 20, 2014, 2:15:08 AM10/20/14
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Oracle is a bunch of crony communists and government tax money pocketers.
Expensive and shady.
Oracle must die!

godek....@gmail.com

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Oct 20, 2014, 4:40:32 AM10/20/14
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W dniu poniedziałek, 20 października 2014 08:15:08 UTC+2 użytkownik >
> Oracle is a bunch of crony communists and government tax money pocketers.
> Expensive and shady.
> Oracle must die!

I'm afraid that it didn't get me any closer to understand your reasons.

gavino_learning

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Nov 24, 2014, 2:37:46 PM11/24/14
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Yeah you have to be able to read english.

Joseph Osako

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Dec 1, 2014, 12:00:24 PM12/1/14
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On Monday, October 20, 2014 2:15:08 AM UTC-4, gavino_learning wrote:
> Oracle is a bunch of crony communists and government tax money pocketers.

While I have no love of Java, Oracle, or Larry Ellison personally, I have to admit to being puzzled by this claim. They seem as capital driven as any corporation I have ever known, and more so than most. If anything, they are too occupied with the bottom line and not enough with the interests of their employees, who have a habit of defecting to better-paying firms when they get tired of being screwed over by Larry's policies. Ellison's beefs with the government and his personal willingness to throw money into bending it to his will are notorious. How is that possibly communistic?

Joseph Osako

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Dec 1, 2014, 12:14:46 PM12/1/14
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If you are going to debate a point, or even try to explain your position, you need to do more than assert a claim. You need to present points of fact, arguments, etc. to buttress your assertion. You need to explain *why* you consider them 'crony communists', especially when no one else seems to agree.

I'll agree that Oracle's main product is expensive, but that would seem to point towards anything *but* communism. As for shady, well, I'd certainly say Ellison himself is, as are a lot of their corporate practices, but how are their *products* shady? Faulty, sure, but shady? It doesn't parse.

As for the last line ('Oracle must die!'), let's simply say that Cato the Elder you ain't.

Joseph Osako

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Dec 1, 2014, 12:58:17 PM12/1/14
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Let me add two final comments. First, the assertion that you are a management consultant is laughable; such people, if truly employed as such, would be far too busy with their business to troll newsgroups such as this one, and would be far more interested in the profitability of a given technology than you seem to be.

Second, as you may or may not be aware, Scheme was originally developed at MIT as part of Project MAC, which was funded by DARPA. Most of the subsequent development of the language has been under the auspices of many universities and research groups, most of which are partially or wholly government funded. The language standard is freely available, as are many of the tools and implementations. As such, you and I, as a Scheme users and programmers, are far more susceptible to charges of communism than Ellison is.

jeffrey.ma...@gmail.com

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Dec 1, 2014, 1:31:51 PM12/1/14
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On Monday, December 1, 2014 12:58:17 PM UTC-5, Joseph Osako wrote:

> As such, you and I, as a Scheme users and programmers, are far more susceptible to charges of communism than Ellison is.

Some Scheme users even name their implementations after communists.

gavino_learning

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Dec 1, 2014, 9:50:27 PM12/1/14
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oracle is the face of crony communism

gavino_learning

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Dec 1, 2014, 9:52:39 PM12/1/14
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On Monday, December 1, 2014 12:58:17 PM UTC-5, Joseph Osako wrote:
> Let me add two final comments. First, the assertion that you are a management consultant is laughable; such people, if truly employed as such, would be far too busy with their business to troll newsgroups such as this one, and would be far more interested in the profitability of a given technology than you seem to be.
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> Second, as you may or may not be aware, Scheme was originally developed at MIT as part of Project MAC, which was funded by DARPA. Most of the subsequent development of the language has been under the auspices of many universities and research groups, most of which are partially or wholly government funded. The language standard is freely available, as are many of the tools and implementations. As such, you and I, as a Scheme users and programmers, are far more susceptible to charges of communism than Ellison is.

free software is free market capitalism

the essence of which is freedom to add value to that which exists

no government program created scheme

unregulated individuals did

communism never works

gavino_learning

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Dec 1, 2014, 9:53:26 PM12/1/14
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On Monday, December 1, 2014 12:58:17 PM UTC-5, Joseph Osako wrote:
> Let me add two final comments. First, the assertion that you are a management consultant is laughable; such people, if truly employed as such, would be far too busy with their business to troll newsgroups such as this one, and would be far more interested in the profitability of a given technology than you seem to be.
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> Second, as you may or may not be aware, Scheme was originally developed at MIT as part of Project MAC, which was funded by DARPA. Most of the subsequent development of the language has been under the auspices of many universities and research groups, most of which are partially or wholly government funded. The language standard is freely available, as are many of the tools and implementations. As such, you and I, as a Scheme users and programmers, are far more susceptible to charges of communism than Ellison is.

who says I am not busy you spinless quarterwit ponk

gavino_learning

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Dec 1, 2014, 9:55:13 PM12/1/14
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I see free software as unregulated capitalism, not sure why planned economy failure ideas would apply to scheme :)

gavino_learning

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Dec 1, 2014, 9:55:45 PM12/1/14
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You have much to learn about economics.

Joseph Osako

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Dec 1, 2014, 10:59:42 PM12/1/14
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So you have said already, yet you have said nothing to back up this claim. Oracle is a publicly traded company much like any other, and while their business practices may be questionable, their motives are clearly profit driven.

> no government program created scheme
> unregulated individuals did

This is simply historically inaccurate. Are you familiar at all with the background of what you are discussing? While Steele and Sussman were not under any specific government mandate to produce the language, the fact remains that the majority of their research funding was from the Dept. of Defense.

> I see free software as unregulated capitalism

This is a non sequitur, and purest nonsense. It goes against every reasonable definition of the word 'capitalism'. How can giving away one's work for free be a proper capital-driven use of one's labor as a resource? It is closer to socialism than capitalism, if anything.

> You have much to learn about economics.

This from one who clearly knows nothing of Adam Smith? Ridiculous.

Joseph Osako

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Dec 3, 2014, 8:14:27 AM12/3/14
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It occurs to me that you are conflating capitalism and the free market, which is a common misconception. They are two different things, and orthogonal to each other:

Capitalism: the application of capital (tools, resources, and labor) for the purpose of generating profit

Free Market: the unrestricted trade of goods and services

The concepts are independent of each other, and either one can exist (or at least an approximation thereof, in the case of the free market, as a true free market isn't possible in the real world) without the other. The open source world does indeed represent a free market, sort of; whether it will lead to natural selection of the most effective software, and whether it is competitive against the commercial, closed-source software that most people have been conditioned to accept, are entirely different questions.

gavino_learning

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Dec 3, 2014, 9:14:21 AM12/3/14
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back up what?

gavino_learning

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Dec 3, 2014, 9:16:45 AM12/3/14
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capitalism is free market

you seem to think of capitalism for a word for crony communism

the government in usa owns the banking system since 1913
fed failed in 1930 and 2008
shut it down
corps using government = remove the power from government to restrict trade, remove regulations, lower gov spending 99%

Joseph Osako

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Dec 3, 2014, 9:17:02 AM12/3/14
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Which part are you having difficulty with?

gavino_learning

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Dec 3, 2014, 9:17:38 AM12/3/14
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On Monday, December 1, 2014 12:58:17 PM UTC-5, Joseph Osako wrote:
> Let me add two final comments. First, the assertion that you are a management consultant is laughable; such people, if truly employed as such, would be far too busy with their business to troll newsgroups such as this one, and would be far more interested in the profitability of a given technology than you seem to be.
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> Second, as you may or may not be aware, Scheme was originally developed at MIT as part of Project MAC, which was funded by DARPA. Most of the subsequent development of the language has been under the auspices of many universities and research groups, most of which are partially or wholly government funded. The language standard is freely available, as are many of the tools and implementations. As such, you and I, as a Scheme users and programmers, are far more susceptible to charges of communism than Ellison is.
funny cuz i am lol
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