Please let us go into the topic.
I'm disturbed on this question for a long time. I think if I finally
get understand it with your kind help, I will get close to a excellent
C++ programmer. And I only can rely on your expertise and help. I've
read some books, but no book focuses on this. Don't you think it is a
very important thing of C++ programming language? So your knowledge is
of great benefit to others, especially me.
1. Which (How many) members will be created automatically?
Scott Meyers seems to give this list in a early print of his
<<effective C++, 2nd>>, but he removed 1 (or 2, perhaps you know it),
the list containing 6 members he gives is:
default constructor, copy constructor, destructor, assignment
operator, a pair of address-of operators (i.e. const, non-const) .
But in a later print (not a new edition, I don't read the 3rd one) he
removed the last pair of operators from that list without a detail
description, or he put that pair in that list before without a
thoroughly convinced reason. That is my complaint.
Dr. Bjarne Stroustrup mentioned operator , (i.e. comma) is also a
predefined member (he mentioned total 3: =, &, and , in TC++PL sec
11.2.2), but Andrew Koenig said "That is not a member function." in my
post before. Obviously, it is inside a class body, so I do not
understand what he said.
Herb Sutter mentioned &&, || and , (comma) in his new book C++ coding
standard. But he did not give a complete list of automatically created
class members also. He always talks about some magic things on usage of
vector, list or some similar things with gurus. That is my complaint.
How about new and delete, and some others functions or operators which
I do not know the name. Who will give a complete list?
2. Which (How many) members can not be inherited?
I know default ctor, copy ctor, dctor, assignment operator can not be
inherited. The first three members share the same name respectively
even the base class name and the derived class name are different - it
is obvious, but it helps me to understand the reason of non-inherited.
I can understand operator assignment will not be inherited also.
But I am not sure if there are other members also can not be inherited.
How about new and delete, and some others functions or operators which
I do not know the name. Who will give a complete list?
Sincerely,
lovecreatesbeauty
> Perhaps all C++ programmers ...
[...snipped a lot of stuff about classes, members, constructors ...]
> ... complete list?
I did not understand anything at all from your story, but that is
probably because it was all about the wrong language. I assume you ment
to send it to comp.lang.c++, but posted in the wrong group accidentally ?
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Please don't feed the troll. I found this bit (which you rightly
snipped) mildly insulting (to both c.l.c and c.l.c++, BTW):
> lovecreatesbeauty <lovecrea...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Perhaps all C++ programmers are busy in designing their classes or
>> get into a deep sleep after a through night hard work. So I am
>> willing to ask the "off-topic" (perhaps not) question in this group.
>> I think you understand both C and C++ entirely, if not, why you still
>> work on the C programming language. And you are experts on both them,
>> so it is not off-topic at all. I need your help.
>>
>> Please let us go into the topic.
BTW, someone in c.l.c had a nice ASCII art "do not feed the trolls" sig
a while ago. Can you post it again, please?
Cheers
Vladimir
--
Sanity is the trademark of a weak mind.
-- Mark Harrold
No. I'm not. You're wrong.
I just want more help on my questions.
> lovecreatesbeauty <lovecrea...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I think you understand both C and C++ entirely, if not, why you still
>> work on the C programming language. And you are experts on both them,
>> so it is not off-topic at all.
An how exactly is deriding the language of choice in c.l.c going to
enamour you to the fine people here?
Don't bother to answer...
Bye
Vladimir
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That is a bad assumption. Many of our posters are neophytes looking for
help, some of our expert regulars work in environments for which there
are no C++ compilers, and other expert regulars don't bother with the
byzantine features of C++
> if not, why you still work on the C
> programming language.
And that kind of "question" is flame-bait which should never be posted
to any language-specific newsgroup.
> And you are experts on both them, so it is not
> off-topic at all.
That is so fallacious it is hard to imagine anyone stupid enough to
write it. Most of us who post here regularly are experts in other
languages or in particular domain-specific topics. That expertise does
not make questions in those areas topical. The newsgroup is about C;
expertise in other areas cannot change that.
> I need your help.
No shit.
[Questions about C++ snipped]
>BTW, someone in c.l.c had a nice ASCII art "do not feed the trolls" sig
>a while ago. Can you post it again, please?
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> Perhaps all C++ programmers are busy in designing their classes or get
> into a deep sleep after a through night hard work. So I am willing to
> ask the "off-topic" (perhaps not) question in this group. I think you
> understand both C and C++ entirely, if not, why you still work on the
> C programming language. And you are experts on both them, so it is not
> off-topic at all. I need your help.
Fancy logic, but wrong. You won't get answers here, and you DID get
answers on comp.lang.c++, rather detailed ones.
Brian
> No. I'm not. You're wrong.
> I just want more help on my questions.
*plonk*
Brian
Here's a couple of them. Enjoy.
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More details at: <http://cfaj.freeshell.org/google/>
I think I'm going to have to agree with you here.
You're not smart enough to be a troll. You're just an idiot.
- Trolls R Us -
- Trolls Local 202 -
I always thought that no self-respecting troll would ever admit to being
one!
;-) ;-)
Cheers
Vladimir
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The scum also rises.
-- Dr. Hunter S. Thompson
In *this* NG, the trolls are the leading lights.
And that's no joke.
KM has long admitted to being a troll. Please either killfile him or
ignore him. I thought I hadn't seen very many posts from him lately;
perhaps ignoring him was actually working. Let's try it again.
--
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San Diego Supercomputer Center <*> <http://users.sdsc.edu/~kst>
We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this.
> "Vladimir S. Oka" <nov...@btopenworld.com> writes:
>> Kenny McCormack wrote:
> [snip]
>>
>> I always thought that no self-respecting troll would ever admit to
>> being one!
>
> KM has long admitted to being a troll. Please either killfile him or
> ignore him. I thought I hadn't seen very many posts from him lately;
> perhaps ignoring him was actually working. Let's try it again.
>
You're right. I just couldn't resist the "Trolls R Us" bit. :-(
Cheers
Vladimir
--
If entropy is increasing, where is it coming from?
You seem to have a real problem with me, don't you?
And I notice that *you* can't seem to stop responding to my posts/threads...
Please try harder. :-|
What's your definition of a troll? I went and looked it up to see if it had
changed in fifteen years and it hadn't. It's a regular, who contributes
nothing, never learns to stop replying, and never leaves.
Look at your last seven posts: 6 complaints, 1 useful.
Now I'm being forced to become at troll. Perhaps you became a troll over
time and just didn't realize it. Take a look in the mirror.
Rod Pemberton
Encore! Encore!
I think you got his number.
You are assuming that trying to get people to follow topicality and
posting conventions is not useful.
> Now I'm being forced to become at troll. Perhaps you became a troll over
> time and just didn't realize it. Take a look in the mirror.
You are the one trying to get a group to change it's long standing
conventions with the only person supporting your position being a self
acknowledged troll.
*plonk*.
--
Flash Gordon
Living in interesting times.
Although my email address says spam, it is real and I read it.
>What's your definition of a troll? I went and looked it up to see if it had
>changed in fifteen years and it hadn't. It's a regular, who contributes
>nothing, never learns to stop replying, and never leaves.
Sounds kinda like you.
> Look at your last seven posts: 6 complaints, 1 useful.
Incorrect. On my server, keith has posted seven articles since 02:03
today, every single one containing informative text.
By the way you missed a attribute. A troll also posts inflammatory
messages with the express intent of provoking people.
That sounds like you too.
Mark McIntyre
--
"Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place.
Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are,
by definition, not smart enough to debug it."
--Brian Kernighan
Nonsense. But see below.
>By the way you missed a attribute. A troll also posts inflammatory
>messages with the express intent of provoking people.
>
>That sounds like you too.
You have to understand, Rod, that these guys really have no life outside
maintaining this stupid little ng in their image. Really, something to be
pitied. In any case, they're never going to give an inch.
The diagnosis of Asperger's is, of course, likely to be dead-on for many,
if not most, of them.
No, Correct. Now, I'm dealing with someone who can't read or tell time.
What does _last_ mean to you? Also, if you take the 30 posts prior to the
last 6 before I posted, you'll only find 1 useful in that group. So, 2
useful, 37 complaints.
> On my server, keith has posted seven articles since 02:03
> today, every single one containing informative text.
I see that. That's good. It appears one troll took the truth to heart.
Now, we just need to work over you, CBFalconer, and Flash Gordon.
Rod Pemberton
Wow, from you? Amazing. You haven't posted one thing related to any form
of C for the past six months on any of the newsgroups you spam.
Sorry, you're a troll too. How about a troll hug?
Rod Pemberton
Profound. Very profound. I hadn't thought of Asperger's. But, I was just
about to pull out the DSM-IV to see if I could properly classify a few
people. There are a number of tell tale signs of severe psychological
problems with the people we've been arguing with. I'm especially worried
about Keith Thompson (not CBFalconer). He shows some very rare and
disturbing traits which I'm not going into in this forum.
Rod Pemberton
I have responded to this abuse by private e-mail.
I have nothing to say about it publicly.
*PLONK*
> Profound. Very profound. I hadn't thought of Asperger's. But, I was
> just about to pull out the DSM-IV to see if I could properly classify
> a few people. There are a number of tell tale signs of severe
> psychological problems with the people we've been arguing with.
> I'm especially worried about Keith Thompson (not CBFalconer).
> He shows some very rare and disturbing traits which I'm not going
> into in this forum.
*PLONK*
--
BR, Vladimir
Weiler's Law:
Nothing is impossible for the man who doesn't have to do it
himself.
I should have realized that <dont...@bitbucket.cmm> is not a valid
e-mail address.
Can it, please. Think a moment about what you are doing,
apart from increasing you n/s ratio to Kenny's.
Then think of a better way to reach your goals.
-Michael
--
E-Mail: Mine is an /at/ gmx /dot/ de address.
> Kenny McCormack wrote:
> > - Trolls R Us -
> > - Trolls Local 202 -
>
> I always thought that no self-respecting troll
I always thought that there's no such thing.
Richard
Enough already. Let the trolls amuse each other. PLONK.
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the broken "Reply" link at the bottom of the article. Click on
"show options" at the top of the article, then click on the
"Reply" at the bottom of the article headers." - Keith Thompson
More details at: <http://cfaj.freeshell.org/google/>
Also see <http://www.safalra.com/special/googlegroupsreply/>
Expressing genuine concern for your well-being is "abuse"???
They sure do have some funny definitions here in clc...
>
>"Keith Thompson" <ks...@mib.org> wrote in message
>news:lnoe1me...@nuthaus.mib.org...
>> "Vladimir S. Oka" <nov...@btopenworld.com> writes:
>> > Keith Thompson wrote:
>> [...]
>> >> KM has long admitted to being a troll. Please either killfile him or
>> >> ignore him. I thought I hadn't seen very many posts from him lately;
>> >> perhaps ignoring him was actually working. Let's try it again.
>> >>
>> >
>> > You're right. I just couldn't resist the "Trolls R Us" bit. :-(
>>
>> Please try harder. :-|
>>
>
>What's your definition of a troll? I went and looked it up to see if it had
>changed in fifteen years and it hadn't. It's a regular, who contributes
>nothing, never learns to stop replying, and never leaves.
I don't know where you looked it up, but Wikipedia's definition is
pretty good:
"In Internet terminology, a troll is a person who posts rude or
offensive messages on the Internet, such as on online discussion
forums, to disrupt discussion or to upset its participants."
>
>Look at your last seven posts: 6 complaints, 1 useful.
>
>Now I'm being forced to become at troll. Perhaps you became a troll over
>time and just didn't realize it. Take a look in the mirror.
>
>
>Rod Pemberton
>
--
Al Balmer
Sun City, AZ
Definition of troll: See above. You and Kenny will be forever together
in my killfile. Have fun.
But, but, but.
1) I thought the "experts" around here all consider Wikipedia to be
unreliable and not usable to support one's arguments. Hence, quoting
from it makes you look like an, um, er, troll.
2) That definition (above) certainly doesn't agree with the classical
definition (c. 1990), which is the one I stick to. Effectively, with
all the pollution on the Internet now, the definition of troll has been
reduced to "someone who disagrees with me" (or, "someone who bothers me").
>
>"Mark McIntyre" <markmc...@spamcop.net> wrote in message
>news:9q0du15krjkvgf223...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 00:31:18 GMT, in comp.lang.c , "Rod Pemberton"
>> <dont...@bitbucket.cmm> wrote:
>>
>> > Look at your last seven posts: 6 complaints, 1 useful.
>>
>> Incorrect.
>
>No, Correct.
FYI I pulled Keith's last seven posts off my server. All seven were
topical, helpful and to the point.
>Now, I'm dealing with someone who can't read or tell time.
Playing with yourself again Rod?
>What does _last_ mean to you?
most recent.
>I see that. That's good. It appears one troll took the truth to heart.
Where? I don't see any change in your behaviour.
>Sorry, you're a troll too. How about a troll hug?
You're calling everyone a troll here. Funny, theres a common
denominator. Who is the guy at the centre of this? Who is the one
posting inflammatory posts? Hmm.
>Profound. Very profound. I hadn't thought of Asperger's.
You probably find it amusing making remarks about people with
Aspergers.
I don't find it even remotely funny. I find it offensive, gross and
insulting. The sort of person who descends to this level is beneath
contempt.
*plonk*
>Keith Thompson <ks...@mib.org> writes:
>> "Rod Pemberton" <dont...@bitbucket.cmm> writes:
>> [snip]
>>> I'm especially worried about Keith Thompson [...]. He shows some
>>> very rare and disturbing traits which I'm not going into in this
>>> forum.
>>>
>>>
>>> Rod Pemberton
>>
>> I have responded to this abuse by private e-mail.
>> I have nothing to say about it publicly.
>
>I should have realized that <dont...@bitbucket.cmm> is not a valid
>e-mail address.
You could always forward it to "ab...@eli.net" and ask them to send it
on to Rod as you don't have his correct email. I'm sure they have a
contact for him.
Thanks, I'll keep that in mind.