[Survey] What do you want in ColdBox?

[br...@bradwood.com]

Hello everyone,

Team ColdBox is working on putting together a list of features for our 4.0 release.  Before we finalize anything, we'd like to hear from you.  Please give us your wishlist for the ColdBox Platform and what you'd like to see us work on.  There's always items like documentation and additional screen casts, etc but let's focus specifically on what development items we can do to make ColdBox faster, easier, smarter, and flexible for YOU.  No suggestion is too big or small.

Please just reply here in the forum so we can all discuss.  Don't be shy, we can handle criticism :)

Thanks!

~Brad

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[Andrew Scott]

Brad,

It is hard to suggest something that already has so much, but one of the things that I think could be improved is how the event handling is managed.

Sometime ago I found that something I needed to do in ContentBox, was not working. It turns out that nobody responded to the post, but the run down is that you can't override in the interception point for preEvent() and it only works when it is used as a wrapper in the handler.

By looking at the code for the runEvent(), this makes sense as to why and how.

My solution was to modify the code as per the previous post on the subject, to check if the event had been overridden after the interceptor announce. But the overall problem is that one can expect code to run when it will not run, which it will do if the overridden event also uses the preEvent() to setup code for the handler.

By looking at this section of code for runEvent() it shows a limitation that can cause problems, as I discovered because my override event failed to get called.

What I am proposing here, is that this section needs to change. To a queue based processing, haven't thought about the implication as yet, but override would need to keep looping the changes until no more overridden events have occurred.

As you can see then there is a danger, that this could end up into an endless loop that will never exit, which would need some discussion as how to then handle that.

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[Exist~Dissolve]

I'd like to see support for DetachedCriteria/Subqueries baked into the CriteriaBuilder. I currently use a home-brewed version of this, but would really like to see it implemented for real into CB.

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[br...@bradwood.com]

Thanks for the input.  Can you throw in a link to the thread you had started on this before?

Thanks!

~Brad

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Subject: Re: [coldbox:16082] [Survey] What do you want in ColdBox?
From: Andrew Scott <and...@andyscott.id.au>
Date: Mon, September 24, 2012 11:32 pm
To: col...@googlegroups.com

Brad,

It is hard to suggest something that already has so much, but one of the things that I think could be improved is how the event handling is managed.

Sometime ago I found that something I needed to do in ContentBox, was not working. It turns out that nobody responded to the post, but the run down is that you can't override in the interception point for preEvent() and it only works when it is used as a wrapper in the handler.

By looking at the code for the runEvent(), this makes sense as to why and how.

My solution was to modify the code as per the previous post on the subject, to check if the event had been overridden after the interceptor announce. But the overall problem is that one can expect code to run when it will not run, which it will do if the overridden event also uses the preEvent() to setup code for the handler.

By looking at this section of code for runEvent() it shows a limitation that can cause problems, as I discovered because my override event failed to get called.

What I am proposing here, is that this section needs to change. To a queue based processing, haven't thought about the implication as yet, but override would need to keep looping the changes until no more overridden events have occurred.

As you can see then there is a danger, that this could end up into an endless loop that will never exit, which would need some discussion as how to then handle that.

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Regards,

Andrew Scott

WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/

Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411

[br...@bradwood.com]

Thanks for your input.  Are you will to share your home brew and/or collaborate on its inclusion into ColdBox?

Thanks!

~Brad

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Ortus Solutions, Corp

E-mail: br...@coldbox.org
ColdBox Platform: http://www.coldbox.org
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Subject: Re: [coldbox:16085] [Survey] What do you want in ColdBox?
From: "Exist~Dissolve" <existd...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, September 24, 2012 11:44 pm
To: col...@googlegroups.com

I'd like to see support for DetachedCriteria/Subqueries baked into the CriteriaBuilder. I currently use a home-brewed version of this, but would really like to see it implemented for real into CB.

On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 10:49 PM, <br...@bradwood.com> wrote:

Hello everyone,

Team ColdBox is working on putting together a list of features for our 4.0 release.  Before we finalize anything, we'd like to hear from you.  Please give us your wishlist for the ColdBox Platform and what you'd like to see us work on.  There's always items like documentation and additional screen casts, etc but let's focus specifically on what development items we can do to make ColdBox faster, easier, smarter, and flexible for YOU.  No suggestion is too big or small.

Please just reply here in the forum so we can all discuss.  Don't be shy, we can handle criticism :)

Thanks!

~Brad

ColdBox Platform Evangelist
Ortus Solutions, Corp

E-mail: br...@coldbox.org
ColdBox Platform: http://www.coldbox.org
Blog: http://www.codersrevolution.com 

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[Andrew Scott]

Not sure how to link it, but the subject was Overriding the event using preEvent.

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[Luis Majano]

That sounds interesting. Can you help us or post your work?

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[Exist~Dissolve]

Sure thing. I'll pull together what I have so far and post it when I get a chance. Thanks

[Tom Miller]

Hey Brad.

 

I’d like to see “this.handlersParentLookup” in modules, so I can override module handlers in my application, the same way I can for views and layouts.

 

So, for example, in my parent application I override module handlers to adjust functionality without needing to touch the module itself.

 

I’ve actually adjusted Coldbox myself to get this working, but I only used the handlersLocation and NOT the handlersExternalLocation – to make sure that any name conflicts didn’t become an issue (such as main.cfc/general.cfc etc.) Obviously I can extend the module handler using this method, so I can create custom events or override existing module events – was is kinda cool.

 

As I said, I’ve adjusted CB myself already, but I think this would be useful for others perhaps?

 

I just added this to HandlerService:getRegisteredHandler:

 

     if (moduleSettings[moduleReceived].handlerParentLookup) {

          ParentHandlerReceived = "modules.#moduleReceived#.#handlerReceived#";

          handlerIndex = listFindNoCase(handlersList, ParentHandlerReceived);

          // Check for conventions location

          if ( handlerIndex ){

            return HandlerBean

              .setHandler(listgetAt(handlersList,handlerIndex))

              .setMethod(MethodReceived);

          }

 

          // Check for external location

          /* don’t actually look in the external location, name conflicts are likely…

          handlerIndex = listFindNoCase(handlersExternalList, ParentHandlerReceived);

          if( handlerIndex ){

            return HandlerBean

              .setInvocationPath(instance.handlersExternalLocation)

              .setHandler(listgetAt(handlersExternalList,handlerIndex))

              .setMethod(MethodReceived);

          }

          */

        }

 

Tom.

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[br...@bradwood.com]

Good question Sami.  I know some analysis was done a few years back against Ruby On Rails I believe, but I can't find it. 

Are there any non-CF frameworks that people think would be good for a comparison project.

Thanks!

~Brad

ColdBox Platform Evangelist
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ColdBox Platform: http://www.coldbox.org
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Subject: [coldbox:16096] Re: [Survey] What do you want in ColdBox?
From: Sami Hoda <sami...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, September 25, 2012 12:56 pm
To: col...@googlegroups.com

Just a side question - has there been a competitive analysis, when comparing ColdBox with other frameworks for other languages? Like was mentioned earlier, ColdBox is already pretty well featured when compared to other CF frameworks, so maybe its time to do a major review other leading frameworks and see what they make easy, automate, or simplify to make developer's lives easier.

[Luis Majano]

We did it with Grails as I was working with it. Not sure where it is anymore.

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[br...@bradwood.com]

Here, Luis dug up the URL for the Grails comparison we did some time ago:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AmT6VuockhXfcEFaX0FfZ0pBamJ3OXc2ZmQ2Mk1pS0E&output=html

We're open to suggestions regarding other non-CF frameworks that would make a nice comparison or other comparison points that were left out.

[Andrew Scott]

Something I did think about was AOP v Others..

I am not sure if this goes outside the aspects of AOP, but there have been times when I don't need the application to wait. Was reading the differences between AOP and Edmund, by Sean Corfield and the one thing that I seemed to only see as a difference, is that Edmund runs in async.

So my thoughts are, what if we have an option to not wait for the interception process to return?

I can see that the only solution to this would be to process as a thread, which I am not sure how this would affect the usage of Coldbox access from within the thread.

[br...@bradwood.com]

Thanks for the input Andrew.  We actually just discussed asynchronous AOP advices today while going over ideas for ColdBox 4.  I think this is validation that the idea is worth looking into.

Thanks!

~Brad

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[EJ Jaquet]

Hi all,

What I would like in ColdBox 4 is the opportunity to choose for a NoSQL (MongoDB?) to use with the virtual entityservice and other ORM option. In Grails you have the possibility to annotate a bean to tell him to use the Hibernate or MonogoDB plugin for ORM. So in 1 app, you can use both.

Is that something that can be looked into?

Kind regards.

Erik-Jan Jaquet

[adk]

I would like to see an API to allow the community to easily extend/modify/create debug panels beyond the dumpVar trick. I'd also like to see the debugging panels able to be run in a separate tab (like CF debug panel, Firebug, etc.) so that it's completley separate from the page being rendered. (you could even integrate them into Firebug/Chrome Dev Tools... although this is more work and multiple moving targets)

For instance, if the debug panels were pulled out and loaded as modules, community members could easily add/modify them by just dropping a new package into the modules folder...

On Monday, September 24, 2012 8:49:27 PM UTC-7, Brad Wood wrote:

[Andrew Scott]

Cool...

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[Nolan Dubeau]

+1.  I had a requirement for this some time ago as well and think it would be very useful.  

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[br...@bradwood.com]

EJ, thanks for the input.  We can definitely put that on the list to look into.   While I'm familiar with NoSQL and I know there's some libraries out there for working with Couch and Mongo, I don't know if there's any full ORMs in CF for any of them yet.  We'll have to research what's currently out there.  Any existing CF projects you can point us toward would be helpful.  I know NoSQL is a rapidly changing landscape right now.  

Thanks!

~Brad

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[Luis Majano]

Funny you mention this, as this is already part of the 4 roadmap.  The debugger is being removed from the core and added as a module.

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[Luis Majano]

Hi Erik,

Great point.  I guess the problem might be then we need to build an ORM around NoSQL.  So not sure if this is in the roadmap already for Hibernate, I actually think it is.  So it might just be a core CFML thing.

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[br...@bradwood.com]

That is interesting.  I read through their site and FAQs, but I don't completely understand how Yeoman works.  It seems to be build mostly on Grunt.  Is your thought that there could exist a command line tool to manage ColdBox "packages" and scaffold new apps? 

Have you seen what Jim Spoonemore has done with GrapeStack? (http://www.grapestack.com/)

Thanks!

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Subject: [coldbox:16189] Re: [Survey] What do you want in ColdBox?
From: nolandubeau <nolan...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, October 04, 2012 2:28 pm
To: col...@googlegroups.com

Hi Brad,

I came across this today which seems interesting - http://yeoman.io/installation.html

Not sure how this would rank in priority, but it could prove useful for installing / updating coldbox as well as integrating with forgebox, docs, etc.

Looks like it's based on an open source project by Twitter.

Nolan

On Monday, 24 September 2012 23:49:27 UTC-4, Brad Wood wrote:

Hello everyone,

Team ColdBox is working on putting together a list of features for our 4.0 release.  Before we finalize anything, we'd like to hear from you.  Please give us your wishlist for the ColdBox Platform and what you'd like to see us work on.  There's always items like documentation and additional screen casts, etc but let's focus specifically on what development items we can do to make ColdBox faster, easier, smarter, and flexible for YOU.  No suggestion is too big or small.

Please just reply here in the forum so we can all discuss.  Don't be shy, we can handle criticism :)

Thanks!

~Brad

ColdBox Platform Evangelist
Ortus Solutions, Corp

E-mail: br...@coldbox.org
ColdBox Platform: http://www.coldbox.org
Blog: http://www.codersrevolution.com 

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[Nolan Dubeau]

Yeah that is my thought.  I have seen grapestack but personally there are things in there that I wouldn't use so it would be more ideal for me at least if it was modular using some kind of package manager that maybe has some similarities to the way Yeoman, or NPM and Node work. 

Nolan Dubeau

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