I was surprised to read this article today:
His arguments are mostly theoretical, and also underestimate the labor, cooling, space, etc. costs. But it’s interesting, and I’m curious what others think about it?
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So let’s see, he’s assuming you can take advantage of today’s prices every day – in fact, you’d be using the same hardware for on average, in corporate environments, three years or more. Then there’s the labor cost of doing the upgrades. It’s not that he’s wrong that compute and storage can take advantage of cheaper hardware prices today – that’s true. Rather, it’s not taking into account normal hardware replacement policies and labor costs.
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Some interesting points thus far but the writers views has to be taken in its entirety.
At the end of the day if money can be saved in this current economic climate then companies would buy into it.
Perhaps is looking at it from the wrong angle or needs to dig deeper into what is causing hybrid cloud stall. Most customers I have worked with have sited license and compliance (regulatory - particularly with tougher HIPPA mandates) as a bigger issue.
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On 04-Mar-2012, at 6:12 AM, Bernard Golden <bernard...@gmail.com> wrote:
> this
For example, in Feb 2012 see SpiderOak takes on Amazon S3 in archival
storage � Cloud Computing News http://bitly.com/wt2Tcf.
The following URL lists tens of S3 alternatives - contenders, including
MyBox (that runs on S3)
http://www.cloudsurfing.com/site/576-Amazon-S3-Simple-Storage-Service/competitors/
To challenge Amazon in general and S3, IMO there will be a consolidation
of companies around some newer players who have the ambition and the
managerial ability and the freshness of thinking to match Amazon. The
names in my mind are Joyent, Virtustream, as long as they make it on
their own and are not acquired and thrown into oblivion by very large
companies
Google announced with great fanfare an S3 competitor , it is now live,
but really did not affect customers preference for S3
But one point to make, if you at the price calculations example on
google.com
https://developers.google.com/storage/docs/pricingandterms
You see a bill in this example $8.2K for storage and $6.5K for network
costs. This proves the point I made in many posts, namely that about 50%
or more of total cost of operating a cloud is network costs
http://bit.ly/yoZjVy
http://bitly.com/wWVtC9
Assuming Google charges as a promotion $0 (zilch) for storage, there is
still a charge $6.5K for network
People don't like - I agree with Bernard here - to go to one supermarket
to buy tomatoes, to another one to buy coffee and to a third place to
buy bread, just to save $1.73, while using a 1 gallon of gas at $4.30
here in California. Besides, it is the personal inconvenience.
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I don't if its because they can't make the same saving or if its:
- Fear, uncertainty and doubt about getting and being in the cloud. Inertia is powerful and there is mis-information or lack of knowledge on how best to go about it.
�- Their apps are not well suited go to into the cloud yet. �It usually not as simple as simply reinstalling it 'up there'.
I've seen both of these dimensions in my experience.
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On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Sassa <sass...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I can say, for sure, that in many (most of my customers') real life scenarios, moving to the cloud from in-house saves 50-75% or more of the total costs, including labor and O&M.
Yes, but what about those that don't move? Isn't this because they
can't make the same saving?
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<Mark.Pietrasa...@aquilent.com> wrote:
> I saw that article as well - GigOm is a very academic source of information.
>
> Again, they completely ignored the labor costs, and their bandwidth assumptions are crazy.
>
> It's like these articles are taking one aspect (bandwidth, storage), scaling it to crazy levels, looking at it in isolation, and then drawing conclusions about Cloud providers.
>
> You really need to look at a complete *realistic* solution, and compare *total costs*.
>
> I can say, for sure, that in many (most of my customers') real life scenarios, moving to the cloud from in-house saves 50-75% or more of the total costs, including labor and O&M.
>
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> On Mar 2, 2012, at 4:00 PM, wayne pauley <wayne_pau...@hotmail.com<mailto:wayne_pau...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>
> mark,
>
> I think you will find this article provides a few insights into what makes the comparison interesting - based on workload patterns:
>
> http://gigaom.com/2012/02/11/which-is-less-expensive-amazon-or-self-h...
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> Subject: [ Cloud Computing ] Very anti-cloud/IaaS article
> Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 18:38:16 +0000
>
> I was surprised to read this article today:http://www.informationweek.com/news/cloud-computing/infrastructure/23...
>
> His arguments are mostly theoretical, and also underestimate the labor, cooling, space, etc. costs. �But it�s interesting, and I�m curious what others think about it?
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I partially agree with some of the points in the article that IaaS does not make sense in all the situations. I am working on a research project at an acedemic institution to evaluate IaaS offerings and if it makes sense to move the current on premise IT to Cloud offerings.we tested both Amazon and Rackspace offerings and found that the yearly cost was atleast more than 7-8 times the cost of maintaining on premise infrastucture. Some of our findings were as below.1, IaaS makes more sense when these are economies of scale. for example, the environment that we were looking at had only 150 servers. They also had free licenses from MSFT for OS and database servers. these freebies are lost if they move to IaaS. The vendors which we evaluated refused to offer bare bones infrastructure.2, There is not much variability in terms of server usage in the current IT environment. We factored 75% as the most pessimistic usage and still the costs of Aamzon/rackspace were to the tune of 6X.3, The server sizes offered by vendors are often restrictive ( some times too small and some time too large). for example, Rackspace has only 4 sizes of server offerings and often they are not exactly met by the usage servers4, The IT environment has a small team of IT management team ( 6 in total ) and they do not see it changing ( for various reasons ) even if they move to IaaS.5, The network and backup costs are considered in the ROI calculations which will even skew the numbers in favor of on premise. Also, the transition costs ( training, culture change etc ) to Cloud from existing environments were another considerations which will only add to IaaS costs.6, Since not all the applications can be moved to external environment, there is additional overhead in developing and maintaining applications which will talk to private and public environments.regards,Kiran
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I saw that article as well - GigOm is a very academic source of information.
Again, they completely ignored the labor costs, and their bandwidth assumptions are crazy.
It's like these articles are taking one aspect (bandwidth, storage), scaling it to crazy levels, looking at it in isolation, and then drawing conclusions about Cloud providers.
You really need to look at a complete *realistic* solution, and compare *total costs*.
I can say, for sure, that in many (most of my customers') real life scenarios, moving to the cloud from in-house saves 50-75% or more of the total costs, including labor and O&M.
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mark,
I think you will find this article provides a few insights into what makes the comparison interesting - based on workload patterns:
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 18:38:16 +0000
Subject: [ Cloud Computing ] Very anti-cloud/IaaS article
I was surprised to read this article today:
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I partially agree with some of the points in the article that IaaS does not make sense in all the situations. I am working on a research project at an acedemic institution to evaluate IaaS offerings and if it makes sense to move the current on premise IT to Cloud offerings.we tested both Amazon and Rackspace offerings and found that the yearly cost was atleast more than 7-8 times the cost of maintaining on premise infrastucture. Some of our findings were as below.1, IaaS makes more sense when these are economies of scale. for example, the environment that we were looking at had only 150 servers. They also had free licenses from MSFT for OS and database servers. these freebies are lost if they move to IaaS. The vendors which we evaluated refused to offer bare bones infrastructure.2, There is not much variability in terms of server usage in the current IT environment. We factored 75% as the most pessimistic usage and still the costs of Aamzon/rackspace were to the tune of 6X.3, The server sizes offered by vendors are often restrictive ( some times too small and some time too large). for example, Rackspace has only 4 sizes of server offerings and often they are not exactly met by the usage servers4, The IT environment has a small team of IT management team ( 6 in total ) and they do not see it changing ( for various reasons ) even if they move to IaaS.5, The network and backup costs are considered in the ROI calculations which will even skew the numbers in favor of on premise. Also, the transition costs ( training, culture change etc ) to Cloud from existing environments were another considerations which will only add to IaaS costs.6, Since not all the applications can be moved to external environment, there is additional overhead in developing and maintaining applications which will talk to private and public environments.regards,Kiran
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I saw that article as well - GigOm is a very academic source of information.
Again, they completely ignored the labor costs, and their bandwidth assumptions are crazy.
It's like these articles are taking one aspect (bandwidth, storage), scaling it to crazy levels, looking at it in isolation, and then drawing conclusions about Cloud providers.
You really need to look at a complete *realistic* solution, and compare *total costs*.
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mark,
I think you will find this article provides a few insights into what makes the comparison interesting - based on workload patterns:
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 18:38:16 +0000
Subject: [ Cloud Computing ] Very anti-cloud/IaaS article
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