Ref to Garbhopanisad

[Bijoy Misra]

Dear friends,

I am reviewing a paper that refers to Grabhopanisad, apparently a text in

Atharva veda.  Has any one of you encountered this text?  Kindly comment

if you have read or know about the text.

Best regards,

Bijoy Misra

[Venkata Sriram]

Dear Sir,

We have wonderful search engines called archive.org & google.  If they fail to retrieve the books, only then we need to ask here.  Our Shankara ji is there to help us here.

Here is the link:

http://www.ece.lsu.edu/kak/GarbhaUpanishad.pdf

rgs,

sriram

[Bijoy Misra]

Dear Dr Sriram,

I have the text in the paper I am reviewing.

I wanted if anyone has analyzed (from a physiology point of view) or know of any analysis 

(commenting on the state of knowledge vs date etc.).  It is regarding the science in the Vedas.

Thank you.

BM

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[V Subrahmanian]

On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 5:02 PM Bijoy Misra <misra...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Dr Sriram,

I have the text in the paper I am reviewing.

I wanted if anyone has analyzed (from a physiology point of view) or know of any analysis 

(commenting on the state of knowledge vs date etc.).  It is regarding the science in the Vedas.

Namaste

There two 13th Century AD commentaries (in Sanskrit) for the Garbhopanishad by Shankarananda and Narayanashrama.  They are available in a collection called 'Upanishadaam SamucchayaH' and can be downloaded.  The commentators have cited a number of texts which might be useful for a researcher.

regards

subrahmanian.v 

 

[Jsr Prasad]

Prof. Bijoy ji,

I wanted if anyone has analyzed (from a physiology point of view) 

When I was trying to look into the science of genetics in Ayurveda, I encountered this great text. It is realized that the text is full of philosophy and medical science. Most of the Ayurveda fundamentals, such as dhatus, panca-mahabhutas, rasas etc are seen, besides a major discussion on Embryology & Obstetrics. Emotions of embryo explained, could not be seen in biomedical literature. For instance , the following verse -

कललं त्वेकरात्रेण दशरात्रेण बुद्बुदम् ।

दशाहेन तु कर्कन्धूः पेश्यण्डं वा ततः परम् ।।

It explains the gradual development of chetanaa-dhaatu after entering the mother's womb. So, zygote --> bubble --> karkandhu (may be in the size of a jujube fruit) --> egg were the stages similar to the modern process considers. Bharadwaja's Vrikshayurveda refers to genesis of a seed in similar lines -

आपो हि कललं भूत्वा यत्पिण्डस्थनुकं भवेत् ।

तदेव व्यूहमानत्वात् बीजत्वमधिगच्छति ।।

'यथा पिण्डे तथा ब्रह्माण्डे ।'

Regards

[Bijoy Misra]

Dear Prof Prasad,

Can you please post the full Sanskrit text?

Srimadbhagavatam also talks about similar embryo development (Sk III).

Would this go back to Susruta (I have not studied).?

Bijoy Misra  

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[Jsr Prasad]

Dear Prof. Bijoy ji,

Yes, Srimadbhagavatam 3rd Canto has quite interesting information, indeed, the sloka referred earlier, appears there. Unfortunately I could not find the text that I downloaded a couple of years back. May be श्री 'शङ्करः' (Shankara) शरणम् ।

Carakaacaarya speaks of this science in chapter महतीगर्भावक्रान्ति in शारीरस्थानम् and Susrtaacaarya 1,2,3,10 chapters in शारीरस्थानम् । 

May be Prof. Savita ji and other Ayurveda experts can add more to this.

Regards

[shankara]

Prasad ji,

Sanskrit text of Garbhopanishad is available online at

https://sanskritdocuments.org/doc_upanishhat/garbha.html?lang=sa

Link to 'Upanishadm Samuchchaya' which contains Garbhopanishad with 2 commentaries (mentioned by Subbuji)

https://archive.org/details/UpanishadamSamuchayaWithDeepikaOfNarayanShankar

 

regards
shankara

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[Bijoy Misra]

Excellent.  Let me review these.

[Jsr Prasad]

Sri Shankara Ji,

Double thanks for bonus in उपनिषदां समुच्चयः । 

Pranams to you!

Prasad

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[Savita Sajjan]

 Namaste  to all the  respected teachers,  

   From bruhatrayees  these  are the  references related to  masanumasika  Garbha vruddhi  lakshanas.

 

I.||चरकसंहिता||  ||श्रीचक्रपाणिदत्तविरचितया आयुर्वेददीपिकाव्याख्यया सहिता||

शारीरस्थानम् - ४. महतीगर्भावक्रान्तिशारीरम्

स सर्वगुणवान् गर्भत्वमापन्नः प्रथमे मासि सम्मूर्च्छितः सर्वधातुकलुषीकृतः [१४] खेटभूतो भवत्यव्यक्तविग्रहः सदसद्भूताङ्गावयवः||९||

द्वितीये मासि घनः सम्पद्यते पिण्डः [१५] पेश्यर्बुदं वा|

तत्र घनः पुरुषः, पेशी स्त्री, अर्बुदं नपुंसकम्||१०||

 Cakrapani Opinion.

सर्वधातुकलुषीकृत इति अव्यक्तसर्वधातुतया कलुषीकृतः| धातुशब्देन च भूतान्युच्यन्ते, किंवा रसादिधातुबीजानि| खेटः श्लेष्मा; तेन खेटभूत इति श्लेष्मसदृश इत्यर्थः| अव्यक्तविग्रह इत्यस्य विवरणं- सदसद्भूताङ्गावयव इति; विद्यमानाविद्यमानाङ्गप्रत्यङ्ग इत्यर्थः; अङ्गानां च बीजरूपतया स्थितत्वेन सत्त्वम्, अव्यक्तभावाच्चासत्त्वम् [१६] | किंवा, सदसद्भूताङ्गावयवो घनः सम्पद्यते इति योजना| घनः कठिनः| पिण्डो ग्रन्थ्याकारः| पेशी दीर्घा मांसपेश्याकारा| अर्बुदं वर्तुलोन्नतम्||९-१०||

 

 

II.||सुश्रुतसंहिता||  ||श्रीडल्हणाचार्यविरचितया निबन्धसङ्ग्रहाख्यव्याख्यया निदानस्थानस्य श्रीगयदासाचार्यविरचितया न्यायचन्द्रिकाख्यपञ्जिकाव्याख्यया च समुल्लसिता||

शारीरस्थानम् - ३. गर्भावक्रान्तिशारीरम्

तत्र प्रथमे मासि कललं जायते; द्वितीये शीतोष्मानिलैरभिप्रपच्यमानानां महाभूतानां सङ्घातो घनः सञ्जायते, यदि पिण्डः पुमान्, स्त्री चेत् पेशी, नपुंसकं चेदर्बुदमिति; तृतीये हस्तपादशिरसां पञ्चपिण्डका निर्वर्तन्तेऽङ्गप्रत्यङ्गविभागश्च सूक्ष्मो भवति; चतुर्थे सर्वाङ्गप्रत्यङ्गविभागः प्रव्यक्तो भवति, गर्भहृदयप्रव्यक्तिभावाच्चेतनाधातुरभिव्यक्तो भवति, कस्मात्? तत्स्थानत्वात् |

तस्माद्गर्भश्चतुर्थे मास्यभिप्रायमिन्द्रियार्थेषु करोति, द्विहृदयां च नारीं दौहृदिनीमाचक्षते |

दौहृदविमाननात् कुब्जं कुणिं खञ्जं जडं वामनं विकृताक्षमनक्षं वा नारी सुतं जनयति, तस्मात् सा यद्यदिच्छेत्तत्तस्यै दापयेत्, लब्धदौहृदा हि वीर्यवन्तं चिरायुषं च पुत्रं जनयति ||१८||

  Dalhana Opinion-

तत्रेत्यादि| कललं सिङ्घाणप्रख्यम्| द्वितीय इत्यादि| शीतः श्लेष्मा, ऊष्मा पित्तं, कफानिलयोरप्युष्मसम्भवात् परिणामहेतुत्वम्| तदुक्तं चरके,- “भौमाप्याग्नेयवायव्याः पञ्चोष्माणः सनाभसाः” (च.चि.१५)- इति| घनः कठिनः| यदीत्यादि| पिण्डो वर्तुलाकृतिः, पेशी दीर्घाकृतिः, अर्बुदं वर्तुलफलार्धमिति| गयी तु भोजदर्शनात् पिण्डादीनामन्यथाऽऽकारं पठति| यथा- “चतुरस्रा भवेत् पेशी, वृत्तः पिण्डो घनः स्मृतः| शाल्मलीमुकुलाकारमर्बुदं परिचक्षते”- इति| तृतीये इत्यादि| शाखाश्चतस्रो मूर्धोरःपृष्ठोदराण्यङ्गानि चिबुकनासौष्ठश्रवणाङ्गुलिपार्ष्णिप्रभृतीनि प्रत्यङ्गानि| चतुर्थे इत्यादि| तत्स्थानत्वात् हृदयस्थानत्वात्| इन्द्रियार्थाः शब्दस्पर्शरूपरसगन्धाः| द्विहृदयामिति द्वितीयं हृदयं यस्याः सा द्विहृदया, ताम्| दौहृदेत्यादि| कुणिं विकृतहस्तम्| तत्र कुब्जादिष्ववयवसमुदायेन्द्रियाधिष्ठानजो दोषो दौहृदविमाननजनितो यथाशास्त्रमूह्यः||१८||

 

III, ||अष्टाङ्गहृदयम्|| शारीरस्थानम् - १. गर्भावक्रान्तिरध्यायः

शारीरस्थानम् - १. गर्भावक्रान्तिरध्यायः

प्रथमे मास्यव्यक्तलिङ्गः कललावस्थो गर्भो भवेत्| द्वितीये तु मासि गर्भः कीदृशः स्यात् ? इत्याह---- -----------------------------------------------------| द्वितीये मासि कललाद्धनः पेश्यथवाऽर्बुदम्||४९|| पुंस्त्रीक्लीबाः क्रमात्तेभ्यः-------------------------| ----------------------------------------------------|५०|

सर्वाङ्गसुन्दरी व्याख्या ( कृत) द्वितीये मासि कललाद्धनः पेश्यथवाऽर्बुदं गर्भः स्यादिति योज्यम्| तेभ्यो-घनादिरूपेभ्यः, क्रमात्-परिपाठ्या, पुंस्त्रीक्लीबाः सम्पद्यन्ते| घनात् पुमान्| पेश्याः स्त्री| अर्बुदात् क्लीबः-षण्ढो, न स्त्री न पुमानिति|

 

Ø |वाहटापरनामा वृद्धवाग्भटप्रणीतः||||अष्टाङ्गसङ्ग्रहः|||इन्दोः शशिलेखाख्यव्याख्यया संवलितः||शारीरस्थानम् - २. गर्भावक्रान्तिः

शारीरस्थानम् - २. गर्भावक्रान्तिः

तत्र प्रथमे मासे कललं जायते| द्वितीये घनः पेश्यर्बुदं वा| तेभ्यः क्रमात् पुंस्त्रीनपुंसकानि| तृतीये पञ्चधा प्ररोहति| तद्यथा-- सक्थिनी, बाहू, शिरश्च| सक्थ्यादि प्ररोहैककालमेव च सर्वमङ्गाऽऽवयवोन्द्रियाणि युगपत् सम्भवन्त्यन्यत्र जन्मोत्तरकालजेभ्यो दन्तादिभ्यः| क्रमेण तु स्फुटीभवन्ति| एषा प्रकृतिः| विकृतिरतोऽन्यथा||१२||

शशिलेक व्याख्या (इन्दु कृत) अतोऽनन्तरं गर्भस्याऽऽप्रसवमवस्थादिकं प्रदर्श्यते | तत्र प्रथमे मासे कललं क्रमेण भवति | कलले गृहीतकाठिन्यम् | द्वितीये तु मासे काठिन्यक्रमेण यदा पुमान् सम्पद्यते तदा घनो भवति | घनो नातिदीर्घपरिवृत्तो मांसप्रायः | यदा तु स्त्री सम्पद्यते तदा पेशी चतुरस्रा भवति | यदा तु नपुंसकं तदार्बुदं परिवृत्तं भवति | तृतीये तु मासे घनः पेशी वार्बुदं वा सामान्येन गर्भः पञ्चधा प्ररोहति | अधिकरणविचाले च इति 'धा' प्रत्ययः | द्वे सक्थिनी, द्वौ बाहू, शिरश्च पञ्चमः | सक्थ्यादिप्ररोहसमानकालमेव सर्वाङ्गाऽऽवयवानामिन्द्रियाणां च सम्भवः | अङ्गं शरीरं तस्याऽऽवयवा अङ्गावयवाः | सर्वे च तेऽङ्गावयवास्तथोक्ताः | एककालशब्देन बाह्वादिसमानकालत्वमुच्यते | युगपच्छब्देन परस्परैककालत्वम् | जन्मोत्तरकालभाविनां रोमदन्तादीनामङ्गावयवत्वेन तत्कालासम्भवत्रिर्धारणम् | ते हि दन्तादयो जातस्य जायन्त इति | तानि चाऽऽवयवेन्द्रियाणि दशसु मासेषु गर्भस्य स्फुटीभवन्ति | एषा प्रकृतिरतोऽन्यथा विकृतिर्ज्ञेया | तेनैतदुक्तं भवति- उपघातकाद्यभाव एष सम्भवक्रमः | यदा तु लक्ष्येणोपघातकारणप्राप्तिस्तदा तदानुरूप्येणैव विलक्षणा विकृतिः | यथोक्तक्रमवैपरीत्ये विकृतिरुच्यत इत्यन्यथार्थः || १२ ||

 

[Krishna Kashyap]

Thanks a lot for this reference and bhashyas.

Can anyone tell me the english meanings for 

घनः  पेशी  वर्तुल 

Are they shapes which can be better explained. The sanskrit terms are confusing.

Further, as per the Garbhopanishat and other texts, does it mean that depending on the portion of maternal and paternal genetic stuff, male, female and homosexual are born?

is homosexuality determined at birth by some genetic materials? As you know that nature versus nurture is a debate which is happening forever in this area. I would like to know the true textual view from Garbhopanishat. This is a separate thread in a way but very related to this same Upanishad.

Thanks.

Best Regards,

Krishna Kashyap

[Madhav Deshpande]

For those interested in the Garbhopaniṣad, I want to mention that there is a Buddhist Garbhāvakrāntisūtra.  Here is a link for information about the latest publication of this Sūtra:

https://networks.h-net.org/node/6060/discussions/24063/new-book-garbh%C4%81vakr%C4%81ntis%C5%ABtra-s%C5%ABtra-entry-womb-robert-kritzer

Madhav M. Deshpande

Professor Emeritus

Sanskrit and Linguistics

University of Michigan

[Residence: Campbell, California]

[Jsr Prasad]

घनः 

hard

पेशी 

rectangular in shape - refer Dalhana's remark on connection between shape and gender - "यदि पिण्डः पुमान्, स्त्री चेत् पेशी, नपुंसकं चेदर्बुदमि"ति, forwarded by Prof. Savita ji.

 

वर्तुल 

globular

 

[Jsr Prasad]

Further, as per the Garbhopanishat and other texts, does it mean that depending on the portion of maternal and paternal genetic stuff, male, female and homosexual are born?

1. After the ovulation, when copulated on odd days it the male baby born. If it is on even days, the female baby. 

2. शुक्रातिरेकेण पुमान्, शोणितातिरेकेण स्त्री । 

3. When both Sukra and Sonita are in equal proportions, it is the eunuch that the embryo transforms to.

Hence, there are these three parameters in embryo acquiring biological gender.

Beyond all this, there is this profound concept 'karma,' exclusive to Indian philosophy, that governs anything; since Ayurveda centralizes about 'karma-purusha.' Purusha = kshetriya (male/female) so no confusion with regard to the Sanskrit term.

[Krishna Kashyap]

Namaskar, Thanks for all the clarifications.

Best Regards,

Krishna Kashyap

[K S Kannan]

The piNDotpatti-prakaraNa (the opening chapter) of San'gIta-ratnAkara 

(along with its commentaries)

also discusses many pertinent details.

On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 12:17 AM, Krishna Kashyap <kkashy...@gmail.com> wrote:

Namaskar, Thanks for all the clarifications.

Best Regards,

Krishna Kashyap

On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 11:44 AM Jsr Prasad <jsrap...@gmail.com> wrote:

Further, as per the Garbhopanishat and other texts, does it mean that depending on the portion of maternal and paternal genetic stuff, male, female and homosexual are born?

1. After the ovulation, when copulated on odd days it the male baby born. If it is on even days, the female baby. 

2. शुक्रातिरेकेण पुमान्, शोणितातिरेकेण स्त्री । 

3. When both Sukra and Sonita are in equal proportions, it is the eunuch that the embryo transforms to.

Hence, there are these three parameters in embryo acquiring biological gender.

Beyond all this, there is this profound concept 'karma,' exclusive to Indian philosophy, that governs anything; since Ayurveda centralizes about 'karma-purusha.' Purusha = kshetriya (male/female) so no confusion with regard to the Sanskrit term.

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[Jsr Prasad]

Very interesting reference from a text on musicology sir!

[kamalesh pathak]

Does the growth of garbha is CO related with the अवयव श्राद्ध ?because I read शिरोनिष्पत्यर्थं as a  first pinda, or सर्वाग सम्पूर्ण अवयव निष्पत्यर्थं is 10th pinda,  this matches most with the growth stage of garbha?.

Scholars please post if my view is considerable,  

regards

[K S Kannan]

There are two schools of thought in Ayurveda apparently

- one that it is the head that is formed first, and other limbs susequently;

- the other that all limbs begin simultaneously.

I do not remember the details, but once am in B'lore, I can fetch some.

Ayurvedic scholars on this list can easily reel out the text (Caraka/Sus'ruta), I suppose.

The first one (s'iro-nis"patti-first-paks"a)seems more plausible.

It accords with modern embryology, I guess.

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[Jsr Prasad]

There are two schools of thought in Ayurveda apparently

- one that it is the head that is formed first, and other limbs susequently;

- the other that all limbs begin simultaneously.

The सूत्रप्रणाली in Ayurveda samhitas is fourfold - 1. गुरुसूत्रम् 2. शिष्यसूत्रम् 3. प्रतिसंस्कर्तुसूत्रम् 4. एकीयसूत्रम् । Saarngadhara quotes: "कुमारस्य शिरः पूर्वम् अभिनिर्वर्तत इति कुमारशिराभरद्वाजः" (1.6). This statement belongs to the fourth type of Suutram. Probably, Prof. Kannan ji might want to refer to this. As we see from its description, it is the opinion of Bharadwaja, hence 'एकीय' only.