rudra &/or shiva association with Mercury - help request
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Dr. Yadu Moharir
Apr 18, 2011, 10:26:40 AM4/18/11
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Dear Scholars:
Can someone share their thoughts on When, How and Why "rudra &/or shiva" got to be associated with Mercury?
Thank you all in advance
Best regards,
Dr. Yadu
Dr. S. Ramakrishna Sharma
Apr 18, 2011, 10:41:55 AM4/18/11
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Namaste.
Solid Rasa-Linga, like the Spatika-Linga is worshiped
in Maharashtra(said to be a huge one). I have seen
one in Sringeri with a devotee which was given to him
by the earlier Jagadguru, Sri Abhinava Vidyatirtha Swaminah.
Rasahrudayatantram, a text by Govida Bhikshu( considered to be the
Guru of Adi Sankara, that is Sri Govinda Bhagavatpada) describes Mercury
as Rudra-Veerya. Killing and rejuvenating Mercury, as described therein,
is a long process which takes 7 years. The end product is solid linga with
the innate shine. One such sample is available with the Principal of Karnataka
Ayurveda College, Mangalore.
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Puthige Document 2011.
Bharatiya HeritageAangirasa/Dr.S.Ramakrishna Sharma. M.A.,Ph.D.(Eng.Lit.),Ph.D.(Sanskrit.).
Solid Rasa-Linga, like the Spatika-Linga is worshiped
in Maharashtra(said to be a huge one). I have seen
one in Sringeri with a devotee which was given to him
by the earlier Jagadguru, Sri Abhinava Vidyatirtha Swaminah.
Rasahrudayatantram, a text by Govida Bhikshu( considered to be the
Guru of Adi Sankara, that is Sri Govinda Bhagavatpada) describes Mercury
as Rudra-Veerya. Killing and rejuvenating Mercury, as described therein,
is a long process which takes 7 years. The end product is solid linga with
the innate shine. One such sample is available with the Principal of Karnataka
Ayurveda College, Mangalore.
2011/4/18 Dr. Yadu Moharir <ymoh...@yahoo.com>
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Ram Sharma
Apr 18, 2011, 10:50:34 AM4/18/11
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Is RasahRdayatantram by Sri Govinda Bhagavatpaada available in print?
Kindly enlighten.
Sorry to bother you,my dear Sharma Ji.
All the best,
Ram Karan Sharma
Kindly enlighten.
Sorry to bother you,my dear Sharma Ji.
All the best,
Ram Karan Sharma
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hnbhat B.R.
Apr 18, 2011, 1:03:09 PM4/18/11
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2011/4/18 Ram Sharma <ramkara...@yahoo.com>
Is RasahRdayatantram by Sri Govinda Bhagavatpaada available in print?
Kindly enlighten.
Sorry to bother you,my dear Sharma Ji.
All the best,
Ram Karan Sharma
A pdf is available Here:
Please check it is the same. Attached File is the authorities quoted in the section of Raseshvara Darshana in the Sarvadashana Sangraha, by Madhavacharya, provided by the commentator Vasudev Abhyankar. with approximate dates assigned.
No publication details are given, though in some citations the references to the texts are given.
The pdf. with commentary is downloadable from archives.org.:
Earliest authority quoted seems to be Nagarjuna 400 AD.
With regards
Dr. Hari Narayana Bhat B.R.
EFEO,
PONDICHERRY
Dr. Yadu Moharir
Apr 18, 2011, 2:29:20 PM4/18/11
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Dear Dr. Bhat:
Thank for proving a valuable resource.
Best Regards
Yadu
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S P Narang
Apr 18, 2011, 9:09:10 PM4/18/11
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In the RV., Rudra has only relation to JalaaSa . Jonk or leeches. That is he is called Jalaasabhesaja. Mercury is missing. If you get the book by Arbman: Rudra, it is the most exhaustive work on Rudra, of course, in German. Regards, spnarang
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Dr. S. Ramakrishna Sharma
Apr 18, 2011, 10:02:25 PM4/18/11
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Namaste.
I have an copy with Hindi translation. But it is at home, in Suratkal.
I will certainly cross check the text with the PDF provided by Dr. H.N Bhat.
Further,
Sri Bellumkonda Ramaraya Kavi's work titled "लोकायतादियोगान्तमतखण्डनं"
has one section on Raseshwara Matam/Siddhanta. I have not studied this
section deeply. However, the name makes it clear that it refers to Eshvara,
Rasa(Mercury/Parada) relationship.
I have an copy with Hindi translation. But it is at home, in Suratkal.
I will certainly cross check the text with the PDF provided by Dr. H.N Bhat.
Further,
Sri Bellumkonda Ramaraya Kavi's work titled "लोकायतादियोगान्तमतखण्डनं"
has one section on Raseshwara Matam/Siddhanta. I have not studied this
section deeply. However, the name makes it clear that it refers to Eshvara,
Rasa(Mercury/Parada) relationship.
2011/4/18 Ram Sharma <ramkara...@yahoo.com>
rniyengar
Apr 19, 2011, 4:03:58 AM4/19/11
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Dear Dr.Yadu,
Mercury sources were not totally unknown in ancient India. Skaanda
PuraNa (Prabhasakshetra mahatmya Ch.135.v 35-37) mentions a lake
containing Rasa as formed due to falling of extra terrestrial objects
near Prabhasa. RasaarNavakalpa (INSA publication) mentions Kardama
Mountains as a source. This has been investigated by a geologist and
is located to be near Siddhapura (N 24 E 72.5). Details are available
in my published paper at
http://www.scribd.com/doc/5991466/Profile-of-a-natural-disaster-in-sanskrit-literature-by-R-N-I
About Mercury being the semen of Shiva, (I do not find any difficulty)
I take such statements to be metaphors alluding to an already existing
tradition of cosmogony. The episode of falling of Linga from the sky
is in the PuraNas and indirectly in the Vedas also. Shiva is called
IriNya in the Yajurveda (Rudra Sukta) and we know IriNa is the Rann-of-
kutch very near the old Prabhaasa (not the modern Somanatha) of the
Skaanda PuraNa where the lake of Rasa existed.
The story of Mohini Avatara of VishNu and the dropping of (Rudra)
Shiva’s semen appears in many places. Even RaamaayaNa alludes to this
and links this to the occurrence of Gold and other metals on earth.
See Bala kanda Ch 36.16-19 and the next Chapter. (Shiva’s semen
falling on earth & Birth of Skanda)
" 'Oh, Fire-god, you please coordinate the mission of gods, oh, great-
resplendent god of Fire, you may release the potence of Shiva, which
you have contained so far, in the daughter of King of Mountains,
namely River Ganga.' Thus, all gods have requested the Fire-god.
[1-37-11]
yat asyaa nirgatam tasmaat tapta jaa.mbuunada prabham || 1-37-18
kaa.ncanam dharaNiim praaptam hiraNyam atula prabham |
taamram kaarSNaayasam caiva taikSNyaat eva abhijaayata || 1-37-19
malam tasya abhavat tatra trapu siisakam eva ca |
tat etat dharaNiim praapya naanaa dhaatuH avardhata || 1-37-20
My inference is there already existed in the memory of our ancients
that such an episode had happened in the still remote past. Eventually
this means valuable elements (gold, silver, Mercury perhaps
diamond,..) were thought to be coming from above. Not a bad theory at
all. We know now that heavy metals occur at meteoritic craters.
Already Vedic people knew that meteorites (Maruts) bring precious
material to earth (sanaaddhi vo ratnadheyaani santi | RV X.88.8). This
could be a later view of the falling "maruts" after physical
examination of the objects and a feel for their contents.
RN Iyengar
Mercury sources were not totally unknown in ancient India. Skaanda
PuraNa (Prabhasakshetra mahatmya Ch.135.v 35-37) mentions a lake
containing Rasa as formed due to falling of extra terrestrial objects
near Prabhasa. RasaarNavakalpa (INSA publication) mentions Kardama
Mountains as a source. This has been investigated by a geologist and
is located to be near Siddhapura (N 24 E 72.5). Details are available
in my published paper at
http://www.scribd.com/doc/5991466/Profile-of-a-natural-disaster-in-sanskrit-literature-by-R-N-I
About Mercury being the semen of Shiva, (I do not find any difficulty)
I take such statements to be metaphors alluding to an already existing
tradition of cosmogony. The episode of falling of Linga from the sky
is in the PuraNas and indirectly in the Vedas also. Shiva is called
IriNya in the Yajurveda (Rudra Sukta) and we know IriNa is the Rann-of-
kutch very near the old Prabhaasa (not the modern Somanatha) of the
Skaanda PuraNa where the lake of Rasa existed.
The story of Mohini Avatara of VishNu and the dropping of (Rudra)
Shiva’s semen appears in many places. Even RaamaayaNa alludes to this
and links this to the occurrence of Gold and other metals on earth.
See Bala kanda Ch 36.16-19 and the next Chapter. (Shiva’s semen
falling on earth & Birth of Skanda)
" 'Oh, Fire-god, you please coordinate the mission of gods, oh, great-
resplendent god of Fire, you may release the potence of Shiva, which
you have contained so far, in the daughter of King of Mountains,
namely River Ganga.' Thus, all gods have requested the Fire-god.
[1-37-11]
yat asyaa nirgatam tasmaat tapta jaa.mbuunada prabham || 1-37-18
kaa.ncanam dharaNiim praaptam hiraNyam atula prabham |
taamram kaarSNaayasam caiva taikSNyaat eva abhijaayata || 1-37-19
malam tasya abhavat tatra trapu siisakam eva ca |
tat etat dharaNiim praapya naanaa dhaatuH avardhata || 1-37-20
My inference is there already existed in the memory of our ancients
that such an episode had happened in the still remote past. Eventually
this means valuable elements (gold, silver, Mercury perhaps
diamond,..) were thought to be coming from above. Not a bad theory at
all. We know now that heavy metals occur at meteoritic craters.
Already Vedic people knew that meteorites (Maruts) bring precious
material to earth (sanaaddhi vo ratnadheyaani santi | RV X.88.8). This
could be a later view of the falling "maruts" after physical
examination of the objects and a feel for their contents.
RN Iyengar
subrahmanyam korada
Apr 19, 2011, 5:25:19 AM4/19/11
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namo vidvadbhyah
Dr Yadu -- Rudra and Rasa (PArada.h)
The following information is there in "BasavarAjIyam' (source as claimed by the Author - Ayurveda) --
skandAttArakahimsArtham kailAse prArthitassurai.h
I
karun.AtmA mahAdeva.h pArvatIvallabha.h s'iva.h II
ratau s'ambho.h cyutam reto gr.hItam vahninA mukhe I
ks.iptam tena caturdiks.u ks.amAyAm pr.thak pr.thak II
saumyAdidiktrayasyAnta.h gaurIs'ApAnna kAryakr.t I
pas'cimAyAm tu yatks.iptam dis'i tat sarvakAryakr.t II
es.otpatti.h samAkhyAtA pAradasya manIs.ibhi.h I
Source --
Book -- BasavarAjIyam ( with Telugu commentary) , PP 1213 , Price Rs 300/-
Author - BasavarAju
Details of Author and first Publication -- not known .
Present Publi _ 1998, ABS Publishers , Main Road , Rajahmundry , Andhra Pradesh , South India .
Language & Script -- Sanskrit quotations and Telugu commentary - both in Telugu .Script .
Sources -- Caraka, Sus'ruta etc - many works .
dhanyo'smi
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Professor of Sanskrit,
CALTS,
University of Hyderabad 500046
Ph:09866110741(R),91-40-23010741,040-23133660(O)
Dr Yadu -- Rudra and Rasa (PArada.h)
The following information is there in "BasavarAjIyam' (source as claimed by the Author - Ayurveda) --
skandAttArakahimsArtham kailAse prArthitassurai.h
I
karun.AtmA mahAdeva.h pArvatIvallabha.h s'iva.h II
ratau s'ambho.h cyutam reto gr.hItam vahninA mukhe I
ks.iptam tena caturdiks.u ks.amAyAm pr.thak pr.thak II
saumyAdidiktrayasyAnta.h gaurIs'ApAnna kAryakr.t I
pas'cimAyAm tu yatks.iptam dis'i tat sarvakAryakr.t II
es.otpatti.h samAkhyAtA pAradasya manIs.ibhi.h I
Source --
Book -- BasavarAjIyam ( with Telugu commentary) , PP 1213 , Price Rs 300/-
Author - BasavarAju
Details of Author and first Publication -- not known .
Present Publi _ 1998, ABS Publishers , Main Road , Rajahmundry , Andhra Pradesh , South India .
Language & Script -- Sanskrit quotations and Telugu commentary - both in Telugu .Script .
Sources -- Caraka, Sus'ruta etc - many works .
dhanyo'smi
2011/4/19 Dr. S. Ramakrishna Sharma <d.ramak...@gmail.com>
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Prof.Korada Subrahmanyam
Professor of Sanskrit,
CALTS,
University of Hyderabad 500046
Ph:09866110741(R),91-40-23010741,040-23133660(O)
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