sarvato jayam anvicchet putraad icched paraajayam

[Ashok Aklujkar]

Any texts in which this verse half actually occurs?

ashok aklujkar

[arindam chakrabarti]

I have heard from my father a slightly different version:

 

"sarvatra jayam anvicchet putrAt shish.yAt parAjAyam"
and never found out any textual source for it.

 

Just as I never found the source for the other profound principle of Ancient Indian Philosophy of Education:

 

"AcAryAt pAdam Adhatsva

pAdam s-brahmachAritAh/

pAdam adhyApanenaiva

pAdam kAla-kramen.a tu//"

 

What a balanced and insightful distribution of sources of learning.

But where is this from ?

 

Arindam Chakrabarti

National Institute of Advanced Studies, IISC,  Bangalore/ Hawaii, USA

 

 

2010/5/26 Ashok Aklujkar <ashok.a...@ubc.ca>

Any texts in which this verse half actually occurs?

ashok aklujkar

--
अथ चेत्त्वमिमं धर्म्यं संग्रामं न करिष्यसि।
ततः स्वधर्मं कीर्तिं च हित्वा पापमवाप्स्यसि।।
तस्मादुत्तिष्ठ कौन्तेय युद्धाय कृतनिश्चयः।
निराशीर्निर्ममो भूत्वा युध्यस्व विगतज्वरः।। (भ.गी.)

[Srinidhi V]

2010/5/26 arindam chakrabarti <arindam.c...@gmail.com>

"AcAryAt pAdam Adhatsva

pAdam s-brahmachAritAh/

pAdam adhyApanenaiva

pAdam kAla-kramen.a tu//"

 

What a balanced and insightful distribution of sources of learning.

But where is this from ?

I came across a different version of this verse  (in a commentary of gItAbhAShya-prameyadIpikA) -

AcAryAt pAdamAdatte pAdaM shiShyaM svabuddhitaH |\\
pAdaM sabrahmacAribhyo pAdaM vyAkhyAnakaushalAt ||

I could not trace the original source either.


Regards,
Srinidhi

Doctoral Student (FPM 2010)
Center for Public Policy
IIM-Bangalore

 

[Ananda Ghanam]

We have a different Version of the Learning Process.

आचार्यात् पाद मादत्ते पादं शिष्य स्स्वमेधया।
पादं सब्रह्रचारिभ्यः पादं कालक्रमेण हि।।

With Warm Regards
Vamshi K Ghanapathi
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सर्वं ब्रह्ममयम्

[Ashok Aklujkar]

In the initial posting of my query, icched in the subject line should be icchet. I should have removed the sandhi error before forwarding the query.

In the helpful reference given by Srinidhi (reproduced below), sabrahmacAribhyo should be sabrahmacAribhya.h.

The verse as I heard it had the following readings:
aacaaryaat paadam aadatte paada.m ;si.sya.h sva-medhayaa /
paada.m kaalena labhate paada.m sabrahmacaaribhi.h //

ashok aklujkar

[I V Nacharya I]

 प्रिय महोदयाः,
प्रणम्य। श्लोकविषये तु "पादं स ब्रह्मचारिभ्यः" इति तृतीय चरणं भवति। चतुर्थ चरण न्तु "पादं कालक्रमेण च"इति भवति।
प्रथम द्वितीय चरणौ समीचीनौ। श्लोकस्य पादचतुष्टयत्वे एवं बोद्धव्यम्। यदि पादद्वयत्वेन परिगण्यते तर्हि द्वितीयचरण मित्य
वगन्तव्यम्।
अभिवन्द्य,
ऐ.वि.यन्<ऐवियनेट्याहूडाट्कोडाटिन्>

ashok aklujkar

--

[Meera H R]

Dear Sir,

 

As far as I remember, the verse occurs in the commentary of Haradatta on Apastamba Dharmasutra 1.7.29. I will however recheck.

 

With regards, Meera H R --- On Wed, 5/26/10, arindam chakrabarti <arindam.c...@gmail.com> wrote:

From: arindam chakrabarti <arindam.c...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: {भारतीयविद्वत्परिषत्} sarvato jayam anvicchet putraad icched paraajayam To: bvpar...@googlegroups.com Cc: ashok.a...@ubc.ca Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2010, 10:44 PM

I have heard from my father a slightly different version:   "sarvatra jayam anvicchet putrAt shish.yAt parAjAyam" and never found out any textual source for it.   Just as I never found the source for the other profound principle of Ancient Indian Philosophy of Education:

"AcAryAt pAdam Adhatsva pAdam s-brahmachAritAh/ pAdam adhyApanenaiva pAdam kAla-kramen.a tu//"   What a balanced and insightful distribution of sources of learning. But where is this from ?

Arindam Chakrabarti National Institute of Advanced Studies, IISC,  Bangalore/ Hawaii, USA

2010/5/26 Ashok Aklujkar <ashok.a...@ubc.ca>

Any texts in which this verse half actually occurs? ashok aklujkar

-- अथ चेत्त्वमिमं धर्म्यं संग्रामं न करिष्यसि। ततः स्वधर्मं कीर्तिं च हित्वा पापमवाप्स्यसि।। तस्मादुत्तिष्ठ कौन्तेय युद्धाय कृतनिश्चयः। निराशीर्निर्ममो भूत्वा युध्यस्व विगतज्वरः।। (भ.गी.)

[Meera H R]

The actual reading in Haradatta's commentary is:

AcAryAt pAdam Adatte pAdaM s'is.yaH svamedhayA |

pAdaM sabrahmacAribhyaH pAdaH kAlena pacyate ||

                                      -  The commentary Ujjvala of Haradatta on ApastambadharmasUtra  pras'na 1 - khan.d.a 7 - sUtra 29  

(1898/ Govt. Oriental Library Series / Bibliotheca Sanskrita (ed.) A Mahadeva Sastri and K Rangacarya - Mysore)

Regards,

Meera H R

[Ashok Aklujkar]

Dr. Mira,

I appreciate the precise information you have given about the occurrence of the insightful verse, regarding the source of which Prof. Arindam Chakrabarti had queried (I assume that there is an indication in the Ujjwala to the effect that the verse is being cited -- that it is not being composed by Hara-datta himself). Now we know that the verse is at least one thousand years old. I hope that we will have similar luck also with the line sarvato jayam anvicchet putraad icchet (/putraac ;si.syaat) paraajayam about the source of which I had sought help.

ashok aklujkar

[Dr. P. Ramanujan]

आचार्यात् पादमादत्ते पादं
शिष्यः स्वमेधया ।
पादं सब्रह्मचारिभ्यः पादं
कालक्रमेण च ।।

चरमपादे - पादः कालेन पच्यते
इति च मया
पठितमस्ति ।

रामानुजः
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012, श्रीमल्लल
ितालालितः <lalitaa...@gmail.com> said:

>
>
> On Thursday, May 27, 2010 6:49:34 AM UTC+5:30, Srinidhi V wrote:
>>
>>
>> I came across a different version of this verse (in a commentary of
>> gItAbhAShya-prameyadIpikA) -
>>
>

> Can you tell us something more about this commentary ? Author ? Publication
> status ?

>
>
>> AcAryAt pAdamAdatte pAdaM shiShyaM svabuddhitaH |\\
>> pAdaM sabrahmacAribhyo pAdaM vyAkhyAnakaushalAt ||
>>
>> I could not trace the original source either.
>>
>

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The source is Sri Nīlakaṇṭha's commentary on Mahābhārata, Udyoga-parva, Chapter 44, Verse 16. The verse on which he is commenting also says something similar:

kālena pādaṁ labhate tathārthaṁ tataś ca pādaṁ guru-yogataś ca
utsāha-yogena ca pādam ṛcchecchāstreṇa pādaṁ ca tato 'bhiyāti

Translation: The brahmacārī attains a quarter of the meaning of the Vedas by passage of time; a quarter by staying with the Guru; a quarter by his own enthusiasm and a quarter by mutual discussion with others.

Nīlakaṇṭha quotes this subhāṣita in his commentary. I have attached the excerpt to this message. In the Mahābhārata with Nīlakaṇṭha's commentary that i uploaded on http://archive.org/details/mahabharata_nk you can find it on page number 1385 of the PDF.

sādhu-caraṇa-rajo 'bhilāṣī,

hari parshad das.
-------------------------------------------------

[Siddharth Wakankar]

I am reminded of a quotation from a Brahmana-text.I do not have the exact reference,but,the idea is almost similar.It is just possible that this Vedic quotation might be the basis of the the Nilakantha-quotation.

आचार्यात्पादमादत्ते  पादमेकं स्वमेधया /

पादं सब्रह्मचारिभ्यः पाद: कालेन पच्यते //

सिद्धार्थ  वाकणकर

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