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рдирд┐рд░рд╛рд╢реАрд░реНрдирд┐рд░реНрдордореЛ рднреВрддреНрд╡рд╛ рдпреБрдзреНрдпрд╕реНрд╡ рд╡рд┐рдЧрддрдЬреНрд╡рд░рдГредред (рдн.рдЧреА.)
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Very good finding. Our ancestors misunderstood the word рдЕрдЬ in the context of Yaga, for millenniums and flown blood of animals for their fame!
'рдорд╣рд╛рдирджреА рдЪрд░реНрдорд░рд╛рд╢реЗрд░реБрддреНрд╡рд▓реЗрджрд╛рддреН рд╕рд╕реГрдЬреЗ рдпрдд:
рддрддрд╢реНрдЪрд░реНрдордгреНрд╡рддреАрддреНрдпреЗрд╡рдВ рд╡рд┐рдЦреНрдпрд╛рддрд╛ рд╕ рдорд╣рд╛рдирджреАред'рдорд╣рд╛рднрд╛рд░рдд, рд╢рд╛рдВрддрд┐рдкрд░реНрд╡, 29, 123
рдЖрд░рд╛рдзреНрдпреИрдирдВ рд╢рд░рд╡рдирднрд╡рдВ рджреЗрд╡рдореБрд▓реНрд▓рдШрд┐рддрд╛рдзреНрд╡рд╛, рд╕рд┐рджреНрдзрджреНрд╡рдиреНрджреНрд╡реИрд░реНрдЬрд▓рдХрдгрднрдпрд╛рджреНрд╡реАрдгрд┐рднрд┐рд░реНрджрддреНрдд рдорд╛рд░реНрдЧ: рд╡реНрдпрд╛рд▓рдореНрдмреЗрдерд╛рд╕реНрд╕реБрд░рднрд┐рддрдирдпрд╛рд▓рдВрднрдЬрд╛рдВ рдорд╛рдирдпрд┐рд╖реНрдпрдиреН,
рд╕реНрддреНрд░реЛрддреЛрдореВрд░реНрддреНрдпрд╛ рднреБрд╡рд┐ рдкрд░рд┐рдгрддрд╛рдВ рд░рдиреНрддрд┐рджреЗрд╡рд╕реНрдп рдХреАрд░реНрддрд┐рдореНред'
Meghaduta of Kalidasa
So it came popular in local people that goat is sacrificed in Yaga:
рдЕрд╢реНрд╡рдВ рдиреИрд╡ рдЧрдЬрдВ рдиреИрд╡ рд╡реНрдпрд╛рдШреНрд░рдВ рдиреИрд╡ рдЪ рдиреИрд╡ рдЪ |┬а
рдЕрдЬрд╛рдкреБрддреНрд░рдВ┬ардмрд▓рд┐рдВ рджрджреНрдпрд╛рддреН рджреЗрд╡реЛ рджреБрд░реНрдмрд▓рдШрд╛рддрдХрдГ!!
And there was not any one to correct the misunderstanding so far to save millions of lives of goats sacrificed.
Even in grammar also the misunderstanding continued :
рдкреНрд░реЗрд╖реНрдпрдмреНрд░реБрд╡реЛрд░реНрд╣рд╡рд┐рд╖реЛ рджреЗрд╡рддрд╛рд╕рдореНрдкреНрд░рджрд╛рдиреЗрее┬ареиредрейредремрез
Commentary provides the example:
рдЕрдЧреНрдирдпреЗ рдЫрд╛рдЧрд╕реНрдп рд╣рд╡рд┐рд╖реЛ рд╡рдкрд╛рдпрд╛ рдореЗрджрд╕рдГ рдкреНрд░реЗрейрд╖реНрдпред рдЕрдЧреНрдирдпреЗ рдЫрд╛рдЧрд╕реНрдп рд╣рд╡рд┐рд╖реЛ рд╡рдкрд╛рдпреИ рдореЗрджрд╕реЛ рд╜рдиреБрдмреНрд░реВрд╣рд┐рейред┬ардкреНрд░реЗрд╖реНрдпрдмреНрд░реБрд╡реЛрдГ рдЗрддрд┐ рдХрд┐рдореН?┬ардЕрдЧреНрдирдпреЗ рдЫрд╛рдЧрдВ рд╣рд╡рд┐рд░реНрд╡рдкрд╛рдВ рдореЗрджреЛ рдЬреБрд╣реБрдзрд┐ред┬а
A small doubt on the subject discussed:
рд╣рд┐рдВрд╕реНрд░рдпрдЬреНрдЮрд╡рд░реНрдЬрдирдореН - non-performance of animal sacrifice.
As I can understand the word рд╣рд┐рдВрд╕реНрд░ means wild beasts and like Tiger, Lion and such wild animals are never sacrificed, even by gross misunderstanding but only Ajaрд╝-s as the Subhasita says.
And there is no need to avoid the sacrifice of such рд╣рд┐рдВрд╕реНрд░рдкрд╢реБ as the title gives. And the рдЕрдЬ the goat is not a рд╣рд┐рдВрд╕реНрд░ animal at all to be included in the list. How it could be included?
hariH OM,
Sir,
┬а┬а I have touched one aspect of this in the following article:
http://paryayavak.blogspot.in/2015/11/the-hindu-view-of-food-and-drink-a-critique.html
svasti,
┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а JAYA BHAVAANII BHAARATII,
┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а┬а shrivathsa.
On 23-Nov-2015 8:53 pm, "'Dr.S.R.Leela(MLC)' via рднрд╛рд░рддреАрдпрд╡рд┐рджреНрд╡рддреНрдкрд░рд┐рд╖рддреН" <bvpar...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
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> In any case millions of lives of goats would not have been saved for the simple reason that goats are domesticated for the sole purpose of consuming their meat.
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> Leela s.r
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The question discussed in the topic is not on eating goats on food in general, but the sacrifice of goats in рдпрд╛рдЧ. Please read the question once again in the context, mistaking the word рдЕрдЬ for goat to be sacrificed in рдпрд╛рдЧ.
Consider the amount of animals to make a river of flesh and blood to make the river рдЪрд░реНрдордгрд╡рддреА as declared in Mahabharata and sung as the glory Rantideva flowing as a river. It will be clear the question┬а of eating goat for food does not enter the discussion as it is not by misunderstanding of the word рдЕрдЬ.
On 23-Nov-2015 4:04 pm, "Surendra Mohan Mishra" <dr.surendramo...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Good discussion. I think 'himsra-yajna' should mean a sacrifice involving violence to animals. Since at one point of time such animal-slaughter-involving sacrifices were there, the need arose to get rid of them.During Sandhi-puujaa in Navaraatra a goat that is being sacrificed is told: рдЫрд╛рдЧ рддреНрд╡рдВ┬а┬ардмрд▓рд┐рд░реВрдкреЗрдг рдордо рдкрд╛рд░реНрд╢реНрд╡рдорд┐рд╣рд╛рдЧрддрдГ / рдЕрддрд╕реНрддреНрд╡рд╛рдВ рдШрд╛рддрдпрд┐рд╖реНрдпрд╛рдорд┐
рдпрд╕реНрдорд╛рджреНрдпрдЬреНрдЮреЗ рд╡рдзреЛ 'рд╡рдзрдГ //
This seems to follow the principle of рдореАрдорд╛рдВрд╕рд╛
рдпрд╕реНрдорд╛рджреНрдпрдЬреНрдЮреЗ рд╡рдзреЛ 'рд╡рдзрдГ //
which means the рд╣рд┐рдВрд╕рд╛ is рдпрд╛рдЧ is not considered as рд╣рд┐рдВрд╕рд╛ at all. I remember it reading in рдиреНрдпрд╛рдпрд╕рд┐рджреНрдзрд╛рдиреНрддрдореБрдХреНрддрд╛рд╡рд▓рд▓реА. It might be found in original рдореАрдорд╛рдВрд╕рд╛ works..
The general Vedic injunction on рд╣рд┐рдВрд╕рд╛ reads as рдорд╛ рд╣рд┐рдВрд╕реНрдпрд╛рддреН рд╕рд░реНрд╡реЗ рднреВрддрд╛рдирд┐ holds good even herbals also.
It is prayed рд╕реНрд╡рдзрд┐рддрддреЗ рдореИрдиреЗ рд╣рд┐рдВрд╕реАрдГ.
Another aspect of рд╣рд┐рдВрд╕рд╛ in рдпрд╛рдЧ is the рд╢реНрдпреЗрдирдпрд╛рдЧ. The killing of рд╢реНрдпреЗрди bird in sacrifice is not considered as рд╣рд┐рдВрд╕рд╛ as it is ordained for the рдпрд╛рдЧ in Veda. But рд╢реНрдпреЗрдирдпрд╛рдЧ itself is considered as рд╣рд┐рдВрд╕рд╛ due to the killing person through this рд╢реНрдпреЗрдирдпрд╛рдЧ. This killing is рд╣рд┐рдВрд╕рд╛.
The question raised is in line with рдорд╛ рд╣рд┐рдВрд╕реНрдпрд╛рддреН рд╕рд░реНрд╡рд╛ рднреВрддрд╛рдирд┐ and raises voice against the theory that the killing of animals in Yaga is not рд╣рд┐рдВрд╕рд╛.
On 24-Nov-2015 4:38 am, "рдЕрднреНрдпрдВрдХрд░рдХреБрд▓реЛрддреНрдкрдиреНрдирдГ рд╢реНрд░реАрдкрд╛рджрдГ |" <sl.abh...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Thinking of the etymology of the word┬ард╣рд┐рдВрд╕реНрд░ from Dhaatu┬ард╣рд┐рдВрд╕реН┬ард╣рд┐рдВрд╕реНрд░ should mean cruelty. That should include cruelty of any kind, not just to animals.┬а
┬арей.реи.резремрен┬ардирдорд┐-рдХрдореНрдкрд┐-рд╕реНрдореНрдпрдЬрд╕-рдХрдо-рд╣рд┐рдВрд╕-рджреАрдкреЛ рд░рдГ ред┬а
As per the above derivation, it should not mean cruelty, but as a noun or adjective it should mean "cruel" or one that kills others regularly.
рдирдореНрдпрд╛рджрд┐рднреНрдпрдГ рдзрд╛рддреБрднреНрдпрдГ рддрдЪреНрдЫреАрд▓рд╛рджрд┐рд╖реБ рдХрд░реНрддреГрд╖реБ рд░рдГ рдкреНрд░рддреНрдпрдпреЛ рднрд╡рддрд┐ред рдирдореНрд░рдВ рдХрд╛рд╖реНрдардореНред рдХрдореНрдкреНрд░рд╛ рд╢рд╛рдЦрд╛ред рд╕реНрдореЗрд░рдВ рдореБрдЦрдореНред рдЕрдЬрд╕реНрд░рдВ рдЬреБрд╣реЛрддрд┐ред рд╣рд┐рдВрд╕реНрд░рдВ рд░рдХреНрд╖рдГред рджреАрдкреНрд░рдВ рдХрд╛рд╖реНрдардореНред рдЕрдЬрд╕реНрд░рдореН рдЗрддрд┐ рдЬрд╕реБ рдореЛрдХреНрд╖рдгреЗ рдирдЮреНрдкреВрд░реНрд╡реЛ рд░рдкреНрд░рддреНрдпрдпрд╛рдиреНрддрдГ рдХреНрд░рдпрд╛рд╕рд╛рддрддреНрдпреЗ рд╡рд░реНрддрддреЗред
All the words have the same meaning as the participles and used as adjective. Exception being рдЕрдЬрд╕реНрд░рдореН frequent used as рдирдЮреН compound.
рдирдореНрд░ - bending, bowing etc. рджреАрдкреНрд░рдо -- burning, shining brightly etc. Hence рд╣рд┐рдВрд╕реНрд░ should not mean cruelty.
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рдирд┐рд░рд╛рд╢реАрд░реНрдирд┐рд░реНрдордореЛ рднреВрддреНрд╡рд╛ рдпреБрдзреНрдпрд╕реНрд╡ рд╡рд┐рдЧрддрдЬреНрд╡рд░рдГредред (рдн.рдЧреА.)
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