Ananya Vajpeyi on Sanskrit

[K S Kannan]

Political paints and taints

http://wpj.dukejournals.org/content/33/3/45.full

[Nagaraj Paturi]

Critical philology of Latin: If you apply critical philology to Latin, you have to say, "Latin is the language of theocracy, and all the ills of 'christian Europe'. To say that it is the language of epics such as Aeneid or philosophical works or science works is all attempt to revive theocracy and all the ills of Roman Catholic medieval Europe". You want to know how?

Read the page being shared here from

His-Story on How the Word Came to Be

By Randall Cripps

and then apply the logic of critical philology to know the weird reasoning of how classical  languages can be toxic.

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 9:57 AM, K S Kannan <ks.kann...@gmail.com> wrote:

Political paints and taints

http://wpj.dukejournals.org/content/33/3/45.full

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[K S Kannan]

What a telling excerpt!!

Paturi deserves a pat on the back 

(by senior scholars, that is; 

I am possibly very junior) 

[Nagaraj Paturi]

I forgot to mention how critical philology makes 'Living Latin movement" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contemporary_Latin#Living_Latin)

and Hebrew revival movement (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revival_of_the_Hebrew_language)look to be as dangerous as Hitler.

It implies that Living Latin was meant for reviving  the Estate System (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estates_of_the_realm) and the slavery employed by the Romans.

[V N Jha]

I request Prof  Paturi to present a critique of Ananya and Pollock in the coming SI -2. He is the most competent to do this.
VNJHA

[K S Kannan]

I fully agree with the remarks of Prof. Jha, who has of late been looking rather seriously into the machinations of these Neo-Orientalists.

As aptly assessed by him, Prof. Paturi is equal to the task, with few to match him - whether in the perception of the problem, 

or the presentation of forthright answers.

As the Convener, I heartily invite Prof. Paturi to the Conference, due to be held in the second week of February (dates yet to be finalised) at Delhi.

A few powerful voices such as of Paturi go a long way in inspiring many scholars, especially the younger ones, in taking by the horns the well-seasoned misrepresenters of our heritage.

KSKannan

[Ganesh R]

Prof. Kannan sir, you have said it!  Yes, Prof.  Paturi richly deserves our admiration.

[Nagaraj Paturi]

Thanks to Prof. Kannan and Prof. V N Jha for their kind remarks.

But I am not sure if I can really raise to the expectations of SI organizers.

In any case, though it is unsolicited, I would continue to suggest that SI needs to prioritize helping willing traditional Sanskrit scholars to participate in the contemporary polemics around the ideas that they love and command. Workshops and refresher courses with this objective can remove the lacuna of absence or smaller participation from their side.

Second priority should be training our youngsters in the critical reception of the social sciences and humanities knowledge output particularly that related to Indian culture.

PS: I thank Poojya Sataavadhaani Ganeshji  for his kind blessings.

 

[K S Kannan]

Thank you dear Ganesh, for your kind approbation. Will try to persuade Prof. Paturi to participate in the ensuing conference.

Already, your own kind acceptance to participate in the conference has given a boost to many. There are very few in the country who can speak with such authority and hold on the primary sources on Rasa theory as you have. 

And Prof. Paturi joining us will make it even more strong and effective.

Thanks once again.

KSKannan

[K S Kannan]

Dear Prof Paturi,

Many thanks for your kind suggestions.

You have indeed given expression to some of my thoughts which were as yet in a crude form.

Implementing your excellent suggestions may need some time, but will surely be done. we have included a Sanskrit session and a Hindi session this time.

Thank you for your concern.

We look forward to your kind participation.

Regards

KSKannan

[Nityanand Misra]

On Friday, 16 September 2016 09:57:48 UTC+5:30, ks.kannan.2000 wrote:

Political paints and taints

http://wpj.dukejournals.org/content/33/3/45.full

No offence to Ms Ananya Vajpayee, but I was reminded of her article (which I read yesterday morning) when I read the article The Intellectual Yet Idiot by Nassim Nicholas Taleb yesterday evening. 

What we have been seeing worldwide, from India to the UK to the US, is the rebellion against the inner circle of no-skin-in-the-game policymaking “clerks” and journalists-insiders, that class of paternalistic semi-intellectual experts with some Ivy league, Oxford-Cambridge, or similar label-driven education who are telling the rest of us 1) what to do, 2) what to eat, 3) how to speak, 4) how to think… and 5) who to vote for.

Full article: https://medium.com/@nntaleb/the-intellectual-yet-idiot-13211e2d0577#.5ns6ae9sb

[Nagaraj Paturi]

Is it only with   Prof. Pollock that exhorting 'lower classes' to learn Sanskrit for their progress began?

Swami Vivekananda  did the same much earlier but with a different tone and argument. He said:

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My idea is first of all to bring out the gems of spirituality that are stored up in our books and in the possession of a few only, hidden, as it were, in monasteries and in forests — to bring them out; to bring the knowledge out of them, not only from the hands where it is hidden, but from the still more inaccessible chest, the language in which it is preserved, the incrustation of centuries of Sanskrit words. In one word, I want to make them popular. I want to bring out these ideas and let them be the common property of all, of every man in India, whether he knows the Sanskrit language or not. The great difficulty in the way is the Sanskrit language — the glorious language of ours; and this difficulty cannot be removed until — if it is possible — the whole of our nation are good Sanskrit scholars. You will understand the difficulty when I tell you that I have been studying this language all my life, and yet every new book is new to me. How much more difficult would it then be for people who never had time to study the language thoroughly! Therefore the ideas must be taught in the language of the people; at the same time, Sanskrit education must go on along with it, because the very sound of Sanskrit words gives a prestige and a power and a strength to the race. The attempts of the great Ramanuja and of Chaitanya and of Kabir to raise the lower classes of India show that marvellous results were attained during the lifetime of those great prophets; yet the later failures have to be explained, and cause shown why the effect of their teachings stopped almost within a century of the passing away of these great Masters. The secret is here. They raised the lower classes; they had all the wish that these should come up, but they did not apply their energies to the spreading of the Sanskrit language among the masses. Even the great Buddha made one false step when he stopped the Sanskrit language from being studied by the masses. He wanted rapid and immediate results, and translated and preached in the language of the day, Pâli. That was grand; he spoke in the language of the people, and the people understood him. That was great; it spread the ideas quickly and made them reach far and wide. But along with that, Sanskrit ought to have spread. Knowledge came, but the prestige was not there, culture was not there. It is culture that withstands shocks, not a simple mass of knowledge. You can put a mass of knowledge into the world, but that will not do it much good. There must come culture into the blood. We all know in modern times of nations which have masses of knowledge, but what of them? They are like tigers, they are like savages, because culture is not there. Knowledge is only skin-deep, as civilisation is, and a little scratch brings out the old savage. Such things happen; this is the danger. Teach the masses in the vernaculars, give them ideas; they will get information, but something more is necessary; give them culture. Until you give them that, there can be no permanence in the raised condition of the masses. There will be another caste created, having the advantage of the Sanskrit language, which will quickly get above the rest and rule them all the same. The only safety, I tell you men who belong to the lower castes, the only way to raise your condition is to study Sanskrit, and this fighting and writing and frothing against the higher castes is in vain, it does no good, and it creates fight and quarrel, and this race, unfortunately already divided, is going to be divided more and more. The only way to bring about the levelling of caste is to appropriate the culture, the education which is the strength of the higher castes. That done, you have what you want

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Now as to the details, they of course have to be worked out through generations. But this is merely a suggestion in order to show you that these quarrels should cease. Especially do I regret that in Moslem times there should be so much dissension between the castes. This must stop. It is useless on both sides, especially on the side of the higher caste, the Brahmin, because the day for these privileges and exclusive claims is gone. The duty of every aristocracy is to dig its own grave, and the sooner it does so, the better. The more it delays, the more it will fester and the worse death it will die. It is the duty of the Brahmin, therefore, to work for the salvation of the rest of mankind in India. If he does that, and so long as he does that, he is a Brahmin, but he is no Brahmin when he goes about making money. You on the other hand should give help only to the real Brahmin who deserves it; that leads to heaven. But sometimes a gift to another person who does not deserve it leads to the other place, says our scripture. You must be on your guard about that. He only is the Brahmin who has no secular employment. Secular employment is not for the Brahmin but for the other castes. To the Brahmins I appeal, that they must work hard to raise the Indian people by teaching them what they know, by giving out the culture that they have accumulated for centuries. It is clearly the duty of the Brahmins of India to remember what real Brahminhood is. As Manu says, all these privileges and honours are given to the Brahmin, because "with him is the treasury of virtue". He must open that treasury and distribute its valuables to the world. It is true that he was the earliest preacher to the Indian races, he was the first to renounce everything in order to attain to the higher realisation of life before others could reach to the idea. It was not his fault that he marched ahead of the other caste. Why did not the other castes so understand and do as he did? Why did they sit down and be lazy, and let the Brahmins win the race?

But it is one thing to gain an advantage, and another thing to preserve it for evil use. Whenever power is used for evil, it becomes diabolical; it must be used for good only. So this accumulated culture of ages of which the Brahmin has been the trustee, he must now give to the people at large, and it was because he did not give it to the people that the Mohammedan invasion was possible. It was because he did not open this treasury to the people from the beginning, that for a thousand years we have been trodden under the heels of every one who chose to come to India. It was through that we have become degraded, and the first task must be to break open the cells that hide the wonderful treasures which our common ancestors accumulated; bring them out and give them to everybody and the Brahmin must be the first to do it. There is an old superstition in Bengal that if the cobra that bites, sucks out his own poison from the patient, the man must survive. Well then, the Brahmin must suck out his own poison. To the non-Brahmin castes I say, wait, be not in a hurry. Do not seize every opportunity of fighting the Brahmin, because, as I have shown, you are suffering from your own fault. Who told you to neglect spirituality and Sanskrit learning? What have you been doing all this time? Why have you been indifferent? Why do you now fret and fume because somebody else had more brains, more energy, more pluck and go, than you? Instead of wasting your energies in vain discussions and quarrels in the newspapers, instead of fighting and quarrelling in your own homes — which is sinful — use all your energies in acquiring the culture which the Brahmin has, and the thing is done. Why do you not become Sanskrit scholars? Why do you not spend millions to bring Sanskrit education to all the castes of India? That is the question. The moment you do these things, you are equal to the Brahmin. That is the secret of power in India.

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Swami Dayananda Saraswati through Arya Samaj brought this into reality in the 19th Century itself.

He created a very big number of Vedic scholars, practitioners of Vedic rituals from among men and women across all communities particularly among  the 'lower classes'.

Why is all this work not acknowledged ?

If any government is spreading Sanskrit through government institutions, does it not help all the strata of Indian society? When this is done, it is criticized as shoving Sanskrit down the throats of people.  

[Madhav Deshpande]

Dear Professor Paturi,

     Your quote from Vivekananda is important in the history of this debate regarding Sanskrit education.  If possible, can you give a source for these quotations?  That would be useful for me.  Thanks.

Madhav Deshpande

[Nagaraj Paturi]

Poojya Prof. Deshpande,

Sorry for the delay in responding. I am just back from my teaching work.

The quoted portions are from a lecture of Swamiji titled as "The Future of India" included primarily in " Lectures from Colombo to Almora" and also in other collections such as Complete Works of Swami Vivekananda.

Regards,

Nagaraj

[Nagaraj Paturi]

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Complete_Works_of_Swami_Vivekananda/Volume_3/Lectures_from_Colombo_to_Almora/The_Future_of_India

[Madhav Deshpande]

Thank you both for this reference.  Especially, I appreciate the online link to Vivekananda's publications.

Madhav Deshpande

Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA

[Nagaraj Paturi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_p5QcHyGSrc&feature=youtu.be

https://youtu.be/_p5QcHyGSrc

 

 

[Ajit Gargeshwari]

What are these videos about?

Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA

 

 

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[Madhav Deshpande]

Beautiful recitation.

Madhav Deshpande

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To substantiate my post on Swami Dayananda Saraswati's role in spreading Vedic and Sanskrit scholarship among women and other 'disadvantaged' strata of Indian society.

These are students of Panini Kanya Mahavidyalaya.

http://ganga-sanskrit.blogspot.in/2010/10/panini-kanya-mahavidyalaya.html

An older Kanya Mahavidyalaya

http://www.thearyasamaj.org/articles?=902_Arya_Samaj_and_Women%E2%80%99s_Education:_Kanya_Mahavidyalaya,_Jalandhar%E2%80%9D

Kangri Gurukul Vidyalaya (http://gkv.ac.in/?page_id=1631) has Kanya Gurukul Campuses at Haridwar and Dehra Dun

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_p5QcHyGSrc&feature=youtu.be

 

https://youtu.be/_p5QcHyGSrc

 

 

 

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[Ajit Gargeshwari]

Thanks I got the connection now. I must say they are excellent recitations

Regards

Ajit Gargeshwari

 

From: bvpar...@googlegroups.com [mailto:bvpar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nagaraj Paturi
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Subject: Re: {भारतीयविद्वत्परिषत्} Ananya Vajpeyi on Sanskrit

 

To substantiate my post on Swami Dayananda Saraswati's role in spreading Vedic and Sanskrit scholarship among women and other 'disadvantaged' strata of Indian society.

 

These are students of Panini Kanya Mahavidyalaya.

 

http://ganga-sanskrit.blogspot.in/2010/10/panini-kanya-mahavidyalaya.html

 

An older Kanya Mahavidyalaya

 

 

http://www.thearyasamaj.org/articles?=902_Arya_Samaj_and_Women%E2%80%99s_Education:_Kanya_Mahavidyalaya,_Jalandhar%E2%80%9D

 

Kangri Gurukul Vidyalaya (http://gkv.ac.in/?page_id=1631) has Kanya Gurukul Campuses at Haridwar and Dehra Dun

 

[Anilkumar Veppatangudi]

May be Ananya should watch this video.

Myth of Aryan Invasion Theory by David Frawley

https://youtu.be/qych3WYNViA

Dr.V.R.Anil Kumar

http://www.kalpaheritage.org

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 9:57 AM, K S Kannan <ks.kann...@gmail.com> wrote:

Political paints and taints

http://wpj.dukejournals.org/content/33/3/45.full

[N.R.Joshi]

Sept 26, 2016

 

Dr A. Veppatangudi, Namaste!

 

I do not appreciate Anaya and her writings. As far as Aryan Invasion Theory is concerned, please visit the nearby library and try to get the books on the Persian Empire of the known history. Or at least try to read the ancient histories of Afghanistan, Kirghizstan, Kazakhastan, Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan. You will find out there is other side to this debate. THanks. N>RJOSHI

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[sunil bhattacharjya]

It is a pity that this champion of truth David frawley discredits the Aryan Invasion Theory, on one hand  yet supports dstortions in ancient Indian history caused by the Aryan Invasion Theory  (AIT) and its modified version the Aryan Migration Theory (AMT). . He still supports the 4th century BCE date of Chandragupta Maurya, which is the very basis of the AIT.

Regards,

Sunil KB

[Nagaraj Paturi]

>You will find out there is other side to this debate.

Which is this other side? The Video is presenting "There was no Aryan Invasion " side. The other side should be "There was Aryan Invasion".

Do you mean Dr Joshi, that if one tries to get the books on the Persian Empire of the known history, or at least tries to read the ancient histories of Afghanistan, Kirghizstan, Kazakhastan, Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan, one will find out (evidences for?) "there was Aryan Invasion" side?

I always knew that you have a great interest and command over the relations between India and the above mentioned parts of the world. I did not know that you found out , on the basis of this knowledge (evidences for?) "there was Aryan Invasion" side?

Interesting.

 Can you please elaborate?

[sunil bhattacharjya]

Dear Prof. Paturiji,

Thank you for giving me the chance to elaborate. I know many people must have raised their eyebrows when an insignificant small-fry like Sunil Bhattacharjya criticized the well-decorated Dr. David Frawley D..Litt. (Pandit Vamadeva Shastri), who is the recipient of the Padmabhushan, the third highest honour in India, given to him by the BJP Government and who was also earlier honoured by the Congress Government. 

In my paper entitled "Dotted Record", presented in the WAVES conference in Florida in 2008  I have explained the genesis of the Aryan Invasion Theory. I have already sent a pdf of this paper to BVP  Let me give the short outline here. The western world could not believe that there can be any history of mankind prior to around 4004 BCE, as a Christian priest had shown by his calculation that the world was created around that time. Till the later part of the 19th century CE(AD), the King James edition of the Bible (New Testament) had it mentioned in the very beginning that world was created around 4000 BCE.  That is why the  western scholars could not imagine that the Vedas could have been composed before the Hebrew Bible (The Old Testament), which was composed 15th century BCE, according to the internal evidence in that bible. They also thought that all the puranic chronology is fictitious. The French Scholar,Troyer,  was the lone westerner who opposed Max Muller, the architect of the Aryan Invasion Theory (AIT)  on the strength of his deep study of Rajatarangini. But opposing the British Lion was not that easy and he had to go back from India to France to publish his translation of the Rajatarangini, where he also added a table showing  the authentic chronology of the Kings of Kashmir, clearly showing the true antiquity of the Kings, including Kanishka, all based on the Rajatarangini.

As regards the root of the AIT,  Sir William Jones read the account of Megasthenes and found the mention of the name Sandrocottus and  he jumped to the conclusion that Sandrocottus must be Chandragupta Maurya ruling from Magadha towards the end of the 4th century BCE and  thought that this is how the ancient Indian history could be made to fit in with the creation of the world around 4000 BCE. Max Muller did the rest and announced the AIT, and concocted the AIT time-line and distorted the ancient Indian history, and these distortions are being foolishly ratified by the Indians themselves through all these years. Even in David Frawley's book (coauthored with two others, of which one is Indian and other an western scholar) entitled "In Search of The Cradle of Civilization", it is written in page 61 as follows: "Chandragupta, the first Maurya emperor, usurped the throne of Magadha in 320 BC" (BCE). This page is attached, for your ready reference.

I feel sad that there has only been few to be with me in this effort against the distortions in the ancient Indian History, and the BJP government is also unconcerned.

Regards,

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

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[Nagaraj Paturi]

AadaraNIya Sunil Bhattacharyaji,

My request to elaborate was addressed to Dr N R Joshiji and not you.

But that doesn't mean that you can not elaborate? Who am I to stop you from doing that? Why should I?

In fact, I think I am gradually able to understand how you think your dating efforts on which you are so hell bent are connected to the AIT or its new incarnation AMT.

The whole thing is centred around the date of the Mitanni documents and the date of the earliest Rigvedic compositions. Or, in other words, everything is centred around the sequence between the two. Which is earlier, which is later. The current date of early Rigvedic compositions is being considered/ shown as later to the Mitanni. Your idea probably is that by proving an earlier date that you believe for many events in Indian history, you can prove an earlier date for the early Rigvedic compositions which can change the theory from AMT to OIT.

Regards,

Nagaraj

[sunil bhattacharjya]

Dear Prof. Paturiji,

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I am sure NRJ will soon send the elaborations as requested by you. 

Yes, the antiquity of the Vedas can be established through historical studies with the authentic dating of the key milestones of the ancient Indian history. My studies have shown me that the Mahabharata war indeed took place more than 5,000 years ago. God willing,  I may be able to write that work in detail, soon. The dating of Adi Shankara may appear to some as  having some snags, though in reality that may not be so. At one time the Shringeri Math, the Kudali-Shringeri math and the Kanchi- Kamakoti math are said to have had the great scholar Shri Vidyashankar Tirtha (also known as Shri Vidyatirtha or Shri  Vidyashankar) in common and that could mean the Sringeri math is also as old and as genuine as any of the other Shankara- mathas.  

As regards the antiquity of the Vedas through their astronomical stuidies, late Prabodh Chandra Sengupta and Bal Gangadhar Tilak  had already done good work towards establishing the ancientness of the Vedas, much before any other religio-philosophical works anywhere in the world.

Regards,

Sunil KB

[Vidyasankar Sundaresan]

On Tuesday, September 27, 2016 at 6:48:04 PM UTC-4, Gitarthi wrote:

Dear Prof. Paturiji,

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I am sure NRJ will soon send the elaborations as requested by you. 

Yes, the antiquity of the Vedas can be established through historical studies with the authentic dating of the key milestones of the ancient Indian history. My studies have shown me that the Mahabharata war indeed took place more than 5,000 years ago. God willing,  I may be able to write that work in detail, soon. The dating of Adi Shankara may appear to some as  having some snags, though in reality that may not be so. At one time the Shringeri Math, the Kudali-Shringeri math and the Kanchi- Kamakoti math are said to have had the great scholar Shri Vidyashankar Tirtha (also known as Shri Vidyatirtha or Shri  Vidyashankar) in common and that could mean the Sringeri math is also as old and as genuine as any of the other Shankara- mathas.  

Dear Sunilji,

I am amazed at how you find a way to bring in your views on the date of Adi Sankara and the antiquity of the various Mathas into every discussion thread! 

That said, doing historical research requires one to handle diverse sources of historical information with care and critical scrutiny. I fail to see how you can even make a statement such as the last one above. It should be obvious to any impartial observer that neither the Kudali Matha nor the Kanchi Matha is as old as the Sringeri Matha in history, in guru-Sishya paramparA and in custodianship of the Sankaran vedAnta tradition. The central place of the Sringeri Matha for this tradition in the southern states of India is something that all pundits know and acknowledge, going back to the time when sAyaNa commented on the vedas.

As such, a grudging conclusion from you that the Sringeri Matha could be "also as old as ...," based on the most flimsy argumentation, is something that I can only describe as being very funny! I will refrain from saying anything about genuineness and I apologize if I am deviating from my natural personality and am not being very pleasant.

Warm regards,

Vidyasankar

[sunil bhattacharjya]

Dear Vidyasankarji,

What I meant is that the Shringeri math was also established in the 5th century BCE and its antiquity is no less than any of the other Shankara mathas. The inner feuds, if any,  among the Kudali-Shringeri math, Kanchi Kamakoti math and the Shringeri math, does not affect the historical picture of the ancient India. I consider the date of Adi Shankara is a very important milestone in ancient Indian History.

Regards,

Sunil KB