जिज्ञासा

[Subrahmanyam V]

सर्वेभ्यः प्रणम्य

वैदिकवाङ्मये गणेषविषयक विचाराः उपलभ्यन्ते वा इति जिज्ञसामि।

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[V Subrahmanian]

2015-09-07 12:20 GMT+05:30 Subrahmanyam V <vasan...@gmail.com>:

सर्वेभ्यः प्रणम्य

वैदिकवाङ्मये गणेषविषयक विचाराः उपलभ्यन्ते वा इति जिज्ञसामि।

गणपत्यथर्वशीर्श उपनिषत् ।

तत्पुरुषाय विद्महे वक्रतुण्डाय धीमहि, तन्नो दन्तिः प्रचोदयात् - इति गणपति गायत्रिमन्त्रः । 

कथाभागविषये वेदे नाहं जानामि ।

सुब्रह्मण्यशर्मा

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[Usha Sanka]

नमांसि

श्रीसामवेदं षण्मुखशर्मा-महोदयः तत्र "गणानां त्वा.." इत्यादिमन्त्रस्यापि वेदान्तर्गतत्वं वदति। 

अत्र संकेते- तेलुगुभाषायां अतिविस्तरेण गणपतिविषयकान् बहून् अंशान् प्रस्तौति। 

उपयोगाय भवेत्।

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgAmjiZmqO8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m29Z9sxp_Ms

-इत्थं विनीता

उषा

2015-09-07 12:20 GMT+05:30 Subrahmanyam V <vasan...@gmail.com>:

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"-यद्गत्वा न निवर्तन्ते तद्धाम परमं मम"

[Dr. P. Ramanujan]

तस्य मन्त्रस्य गणेशविषयत्वं नास्ति ।

 

रामानुजः

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[Usha Sanka]

नमस्ते,

2015-09-07 16:15 GMT+05:30 Dr. P. Ramanujan <ra...@cdac.in>:

तस्य मन्त्रस्य गणेशविषयत्वं नास्ति ।

 

रामानुजः

वाक्यमेतत् पठित्वा इमं विषयं सविस्तरं ज्ञातुमिच्छामि।​

 

​कृपया ज्ञापयन्तु।​

 

 

[Nagaraj Paturi]

पौराणिक गणेशस्य विशिष्टलक्षणः गणानांत्वामंत्रस्थ तत्त्वात् भिन्नः खलु।

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[Dr. P. Ramanujan]

उदाहृतवेदमन्त्रस्य वैदिकविनियोगः - काम्येष्टिषु मध्ये, यः यजमानः ग्रामकामः,

अर्थात् स्वानां मध्ये स्वामी भवितुमिच्छति,  तस्य सजातैः  सह गणवत्त्वं प्राप्यते

अस्य मन्त्रस्य, तस्याम् इष्टौ, याज्यानुवाक्यानामकमन्त्रत्वेन पठनात् होमाच्च

इति श्रुतिः स्वयं व्याचख्यौ ।

 

अस्यां ऋचि गणशब्ददर्शनात् अस्याः गणवती ऋगिति नाम ।

अत्र ब्रह्मणस्पतिः देवता । "ब्राह्मणस्पत्यमेकादशकपालं निर्वपेद्ग्रामकामः,

ब्रह्मणस्पतिमेव स्वेन भागधेयेनोपधावति, स एवास्मै सजातान्प्र यच्छति, ग्राम्येव भवति ।

 

गणवती याज्यानुवाक्ये भवतः, सजातैरेवैनं गणवन्तं करोति" (तै.सं. २.३.३.) इति ।

 

रामानुजः

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[Usha Sanka]

सर्वदा पूजा-स्तोत्रादीनां प्रारम्भसमये अस्य मन्त्रस्य पठनं श्रुत्वा गणेयविषयकः मन्त्रोयमित्येव मत्सदृशानां सर्वेषां अवगतिरस्ति। जनसामान्ये एवंरूपेण प्रथितः अर्थभेदः भ्रमाय कल्पते।

भ्रमनिवारणाय कृतज्ञाहम्। 

सधन्यावादं।

-उषा

[Shrivathsa B]

That cannot be called bhrama. The Vedic deities gradually evolved into puraaNic ones. Pl see the preface to the book "Hymns to the Mystic Fire" by Aurobindo for a more detailed explanation.

[Hnbhat B.R.]

On 08-Sep-2015 4:13 pm, "Shrivathsa B" <shrivath...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>

That cannot be called bhrama. The Vedic deities gradually evolved into puraaNic ones. Pl see the preface to the book "Hymns to the Mystic Fire" by Aurobindo for a more detailed explanation.
>

> Good informative response.

Yet, for this Mantra, गणानां त्वा like other mantra-s, has a fixed deity and it is different from Puranic Ganesha also called गणपति. In this case, it is ब्रह्मणस्पति, which is not used as synonym for Ganesha after Puranic evolution. In Vedic context, the deity is  considered as बृहस्पति also who is deity of several other mantra-s. One can refer to the commentaries also in this matter.

Here in the case of invoking Ganapati in the worship of Ganesha, the Vighnavinayaka, it is conveniently used because of the similarity of the name occurred in the Mantra. This is the case of several other mantra-s also.

For example, the Mantra,

ig Veda Book 1 Hymn 99. जातवेदसे सुनवाम सोममरातीयतो नि दहाति वेदः |
स नः पर्षदति दुर्गाणि विश्वा नावेव सिन्धुं दुरितात्यग्निः।।

is obviously is relating to Agni and the prayer is to the Vedic deity.

It is used in worshipping Durga, probably because of the word दुर्गा occurring in the Mantra? Otherwise it is defended as it as Agni form of Durga, defending it by Tantric concept and made identical with Puranic Durga. Some more mantra-s could be quoted offhand.

[Shrivathsa B]

hariH OM,

   the use of jAtavedase for durgA and gaNAnAntvA for gaNapati, ApyAyasva for ApaH etc. can be justified by the rUpasaMRRiddhi concept as enunciated by brAhmaNas. Hence it is not too far from vedic practice. Any karma will have better result if it has rUpasamRRiddhi. i.e. the name of the deity being present in the mantra.

svasti,

        JAYA BHAVAANII BHAARATII,

                                                     shrivathsa.

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[Dr. P. Ramanujan]

Reg. Shrivatsa's post

>> the use of jAtavedase for durgA and gaNAnAntvA for gaNapati, ApyAyasva for ApaH etc. can be justified by the rUpasaMRRiddhi concept as enunciated by brAhmaNas. Hence it is not too >> far from vedic practice. Any karma will have better result if it has rUpasamRRiddhi. i.e. the name of the deity being present in the mantra.

...

Actually, the next mantra in TA has

तामग्निवर्णां तपसा ज्वलन्तीं वैरोचनीं कर्मफलेषु जुष्टाम् ।

दुर्गां देवीँ शरणमहं प्रपद्ये सुतरसितरसे नमः ।।

 

Regarding Prof. Bhat's Post -

 

>> Here in the case of invoking Ganapati in the worship of Ganesha, the Vighnavinayaka, it is conveniently used because of the similarity of the name occurred in the Mantra.

>> This is the case of several other mantra-s also.

>> Some more mantra-s could be quoted offhand.

 

In fact, it is said that, during Sri Rajiv Gandhi's time, one vaidika told him that his name appears in the Vedas as

आत्मा यक्ष्मस्य नश्यति पु रा जीवगृभो यथा । TS !!

 

Some say अध्वना मध्वपते श्रेष्ठस्याध्वनः पारमशीय in TB has similarity to Shri Madhvacharya!

 

Ramanujan

[V Subrahmanian]

There is a 'gaṇapati sūktam' in the Rg veda:

http://sanskritdocuments.org/doc_veda/gaNapatisUkta.pdf

It also contains the '"गणानां त्वा.." at the end.  If any authoritative bhāṣya for this sūktam is available one can perhaps know which is the deity propitiated here.

For the 'ganapati gāyatri', the sāyana bhāshya is:

’बीजापूरगदेक्षु(षु)कार्मुक’ इत्यागमप्रसिद्धमूर्तिधरं विनायकं प्रार्थयते -

तत्पुरुषाय विद्महे....तन्नो दन्तिः प्रचोदयात् इति । गजसमानवक्त्रत्वेन दीर्घस्य तुण्डस्य रत्नकलशादिधारणार्थं वक्रत्वम् । दन्तिर्महादन्तः ।

regards

subrahmanian.

[Dr. P. Ramanujan]

This sukta has in all 12 Rks, from three different places in RV.

First nine Rks are continuous and from RV 8.81.1 to 8.81.9 (आ तू न इन्द्र क्षुमन्तं) - ऐन्द्रम्

10^th Rk is RV 2.023.01 – गणानां त्वा - ब्राह्मणस्पत्यं

11^th and 12^th are – RV 10.112.09 and 10.112.10 नि षु सीद गणपते .. , अभिख्या नो मघवन् .. - ऐन्द्रम्

I have gone through the Sayana Bhashya of all these 12 rks. but there is nothing to even suggest these as gaNapati Sukta.

8.81.1 has the word 'महाहस्ती', [referring to big-handed Indra, as per SayaNa], which might possibly why somebody thought of it as referring to Ganesa.

 

 

Ramanujan

[K S Kannan]

There are many such humorous situations . 

A fellow claimed that the Veda-s contain all knowledge. His friend asked him whether the name of his maid servant is also there, saying her name was Thimmamma. 

Pat came the reply :

apaghnan nirRtim mama !!

Yet another fellow said his own name (Ananta Rao) occurs in the Veda, and cited

paryAptyA anantarAyAya etc.

The very word pariah, it is said, occurs in the Gita :

kRpayA parayAvis"Tam.

The Gita is so advanced that it has contemporary relevance in unexpected manners . It has something to say about computer ethics too :  Never direct any virus against anyone -

nirvairus sarva-bhUtes"u.

There can be no end to such instances .

KSKannan

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[Shrivathsa B]

hariH OM,

   Svaami Rangapriya Deshikendra used to joke that Unani has Vedic roots. :-) because of:
agne naya supathA rAye vishvAni deva vayunAni vidvAn.

   also that the science of rythms has Vedic roots. Because of: "taddhi tapastaddhi tapaH" :-)

svasti,
          JAYA BHAVAANII BHAARATII,
                                                       shrivathsa.

[Nagaraj Paturi]

My Madhva stotra teacher in my childhood used to make vidyarthis remember verses through jokes. One of them was that the gItA s'loka

 

ममैवांशो जीवलोके जीवभूतास्सनातनः

 

has kg soji = a kilogram of rough powder of wheat.

Prof.Nagaraj Paturi

Hyderabad-500044

[V Subrahmanian]

MM R.Krishnamurthy Sastrigal, Chennai, while teaching the Bh.Gita would emphasize on: 

Ortho jijnāsurarthārthī ....BG 7.16

आर्तो जिज्ञासुरर्थार्थी..

subrahmanian.v

On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Shrivathsa B <shrivath...@gmail.com> wrote: