Doubt on the word 'Kubera'

[Venkatesh Murthy]

Namo Vidvadbhyaha

कुवि आच्छादनेऽस्मद्धातोः कुवेरशब्दः सिद्ध्यति । यः सर्वं कुवति स्वव्याप्त्याच्छादयति स कुवेरो जगदीश्वरः । (Satyartha Prakash)

How did Kubera become धनपति and निधिपति? This does not match above description. Is there any text for explaining Kubera's Mahima? Nowadays we treat him like Treasurer for Maha Lakshmi. In some places he is elder brother of Ravana. He is also Yaksharaja. But in Diwali we have to pay respects to him with Maha Lakshmi Puja.  

Regards

-Venkatesh

[K S Kannan]

Kubera is Mr Bad Body/Ugly Body

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[Surendra Mohan Mishra]

सत्यं तदपि। 

कुं शब्दे 

कूयते शब्द्यते कथ्यते कुत्सितशरीरत्वादिति कुबेरः। स च त्रिपदः अष्टदन्तश्च। 

कुत्सितं बेरं शरीरमस्य कुष्ठित्वाद्वा कुबेरः। 

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[Nagaraj Paturi]

Vidwan Venkatesh Murtyji,

Let us not mix two different approaches. Satyartha Prakash proposes that all the Vedic words supposed to be the names of different Vaidika Devatas are all adjectives of the one and the only one Iswara or Bhagavaan.

Different Puranic stories mentioned by you are nt recognized as valid in that method.

The concept described in the mantra :ऊँ राजाधिराजाय प्रसहृसाहिने नमो वयं वैश्रवणाय कूर्महे । स मे कामान्कामाय महृं कामेश्वरो वैश्रवणो दधातु । कुबेराय वैश्रवणाय..... 

is Vedic and is different from the mentioned in the Puranic stories brought in by you. 

In the Puranic narratives there are those which 'explain' why Kubera got an ugly body. It is 'explained ' as a curse from Maa Parvati.    

Nagaraj Paturi

 

Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.

 

Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies

 

FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,

 

(Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )

 

 

 

[Subrahmanyam Korada]

नमो विद्वद्भ्यः

कुबेरशब्दस्य तत्पर्याणां च व्युत्पत्तिः

                                   -- Vidvan Venkatesh Murthy

कृष्णयजुर्वेदे तैत्तिरीयारण्यकम् ( the origin of कल्पशास्त्रम्) - अरुणप्रपाठकः --

कल्पो’त ऊर्ध्वम् । यदि बलिग्ं हरेत् । हिरण्यनाभये वितुदये कौबेरायायं बलिः । 123

नमो वैश्रवणाय कुर्महे । स मे कामान्कामकामाय मह्यम् । कामेश्वरो वैश्रवणो ददातु । कुबेराय वैश्रवणाय । महाराजाय नमः । 127

कुत्सितं बेरं शरीरम् अस्य कुबेरः - he has got कुष्ठरोग --

कुत्सायां क्वितिशब्दो’यं शरीरं बेरमुच्यते ।

कुबेरः कुशरीरत्वात्  नाम्ना तेनैव सो’ङ्कितः॥ वायुपुराणम्

कुबि  छादने / आच्छादने (भ्वादिः - कुम्बति - not कुवति ) - कुम्बेर्नलोपश्च (उणादि 1-59) इति एरक् - कुम्बति धनम् इति कुबेरः ।

शब्दशक्तिमूलध्वनिः -- कुमारसम्भवम् (3-25) - वसन्तः जजृम्भे - उत्तरायणे प्रवृत्तः सूर्यः --

कुबेरगुप्तां दिशमुष्णरश्मौ गन्तुं प्रवृत्ते समयं विलङ्घ्य ।

दिग्दक्षिणा गन्धवहं मुखेन व्यलीकनिःश्वासमिवोत्ससर्ज ॥

प्रवृत्तः इति आदिकर्मणि क्तः कर्तरि ।

कुबेरः उत्तरदिशः अधिपतिः - ’ ...... कुबेर ईशः पतयः पूर्वादीनां दिशां क्रमात् ’ - अमरः ।

श्लेषः - कुबेरेण पालिता /  कुत्सितशरीरवता नायकेन रक्षिता । व्यलीकम्= दुःखम् ।

उत्प्रेक्षा - ’ इवशब्दो’पि तादृशः ’ - दण्डी ।

शिशुपालवधे (3-1) - सूर्यः दक्षिणायनं प्रस्थितः ---

कौबेरदिग्भागमपास्य मार्गम् आगस्त्यमुष्णांशुरिवावतीर्णः ।

अपेतयुद्धाभिनिवेशसौम्यो हरिर्हरिप्रस्थमथ प्रतस्थे ॥

कौबेर्या दिशः भागम् = उत्तरायणम् । ’ स्त्रियाः पुंवत् ’ पा - इति पुंवद्भावः ।

उत्तरायणम् and दक्षिणायनम् are discussed in वेदान्तदर्शनम् and कल्पशास्त्रम् गृह्यसूत्रम् - उपनयनादिः) ।

वैश्रवणः -- 

Panini lists two words - विश्रवणः and रवणः as आदेशनिपातौ and अण् प्रत्यय in शिवादिगण - शिवादिभ्यो’ण् ( 4-1-112) ---

पदमञ्जरी --

रवणविश्रवणशब्दौ पठ्येते , तौ विश्रवःशब्दस्यादेशौ प्रकृत्यन्तरे वा वृत्तिविषये , तत्समानार्थे, विश्रवसो’पत्यं वैश्रवणो रावणः ।

वैश्रवणः = कुबेरः also .

पौलस्त्यः = कुबेरः also - पुलस्तेः गोत्रापत्यं पौलस्त्यः - ’ गर्गादिभ्यो यञ् ’ ( पा 4-1-105) .

धनदः , धनाधिपः -- कुबेरः ।

Any more doubts ? Feel free .

धन्यो’स्मि

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On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 12:25 AM, Nagaraj Paturi <nagara...@gmail.com> wrote:

Vidwan Venkatesh Murtyji,

Let us not mix two different approaches. Satyartha Prakash proposes that all the Vedic words supposed to be the names of different Vaidika Devatas are all adjectives of the one and the only one Iswara or Bhagavaan.

Different Puranic stories mentioned by you are nt recognized as valid in that method.

The concept described in the mantra :ऊँ राजाधिराजाय प्रसहृसाहिने नमो वयं वैश्रवणाय कूर्महे । स मे कामान्कामाय महृं कामेश्वरो वैश्रवणो दधातु । कुबेराय वैश्रवणाय..... 

is Vedic and is different from the mentioned in the Puranic stories brought in by you. 

In the Puranic narratives there are those which 'explain' why Kubera got an ugly body. It is 'explained ' as a curse from Maa Parvati.    

[N.R.Joshi]

Oct 25 2016

 

Prof S. Korada, Saadara PraNaam

 

How will you explain "Nalakubera" the son of Kubera? Both were kings of Yakshas and Yakshas were described in the ancient books as models of beauty. Wife of Nalakubera was beautiful Rambhaa.

Kubera was half brother of RaavaNa the king of Raakshas. The behavior of RaavaNa with his daughter-in law Rambhaa cannot be described here. Bea use this incident, RaavaNa received curse from Kubera. Thanks. N. R. Joshi.

 

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[Hnbhat B.R.]

I think the name of the son of Kubera is नलकूबर described in Ramayana and not नलकुबेर.

[Dr. P. Ramanujan]

अमरकोशे च - अस्योद्यानं चैत्ररथं पुत्रस्तु नळकूबरः ॥ इति विद्यते ।

रामायणे - नऴकूबर-मणिग्रीवावित्युवाच दशाननः इति ॥

 

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On October 25, 2016 at 10:46 PM "Hnbhat B.R." <hnbh...@gmail.com> wrote:

I think the name of the son of Kubera is नलकूबर described in Ramayana and not नलकुबेर.

 

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[Surendra Mohan Mishra]

1. Monier Williams tells that 'kuvera' is a word in later Sanskrit in place of 'kubera'. I have one humble query: Swami Dayananda derives the word 'kuvera' from the root 'kuvi' in the sense of covering, wherefrom he derives the word 'kuvera' and the root from which DhaatupaaTha ? Purushottama, in his Dviruupakosha seems to have missed on recording this 'kubera-kuvera' synonymous duo. Regards, SMMishra
   

On 25 October 2016 at 11:13, Dr. P. Ramanujan <ra...@cdac.in> wrote:

अमरकोशे च - अस्योद्यानं चैत्ररथं पुत्रस्तु नळकूबरः ॥ इति विद्यते ।

रामायणे - नऴकूबर-मणिग्रीवावित्युवाच दशाननः इति ॥

 

रामानुजः
On October 25, 2016 at 10:46 PM "Hnbhat B.R." <hnbh...@gmail.com> wrote:

I think the name of the son of Kubera is नलकूबर described in Ramayana and not नलकुबेर.

 

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[Dipak Bhattacharya]

I do not remember any source but the meaning I knew was ku= ugly; bera
= body. So it comes to be 'Of ugly appearance'
DB

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कुत्सितं बेरं शरीरमस्येति कुबेर: ... हलायुधकोशे ।

 

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Subject: Re: {भारतीयविद्वत्परिषत्} Doubt on the word 'Kubera'

I do not remember any source but the meaning I knew was ku= ugly; bera
= body. So it comes to be 'Of ugly appearance'
DB

On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 9:17 PM, Venkatesh Murthy <vmur...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Namo Vidvadbhyaha
>
> कुवि आच्छादनेऽस्मद्धातोः कुवेरशब्दः सिद्ध्यति । यः सर्वं कुवति
> स्वव्याप्त्याच्छादयति स कुवेरो जगदीश्वरः । (Satyartha Prakash)
>
> How did Kubera become धनपति and निधिपति? This does not match above
> description. Is there any text for explaining Kubera's Mahima? Nowadays we
> treat him like Treasurer for Maha Lakshmi. In some places he is elder
> brother of Ravana. He is also Yaksharaja. But in Diwali we have to pay
> respects to him with Maha Lakshmi Puja.
>
> Regards
>
> -Venkatesh
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On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 9:20 PM, 'sadasivamurty rani' via भारतीयविद्वत्परिषत् <bvpar...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

कुत्सितं बेरं शरीरमस्येति कुबेर: ... हलायुधकोशे ।

Not to digress, is there any connection between the words 'बेरम्’ and 'कलेवरम्’?  In Tamil, the latter word is used ' ओरे कळेबरम्’, (वबयोरभेदः) to denote some awkward scene. It could be a comparison to a battlefield where there are many lifeless bodies strewn everywhere.  

regards

subrahmanian.v   

 

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[N.R.Joshi]

Nov 12, 2016

 

Respected scholars, Namaskar!

(1) What is the etymology of the word Yaks'a?

(2) How does one know the name "Kubera" is sanskrit before trying to offer its etymology  using sanskrit language prakriya?

Regards, NRJOSHI

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कुत्सितं बेरं शरीरमस्येति कुबेर: ... हलायुधकोशे ।

 

 

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[Nagaraj Paturi]

Not related to the previous post by Dr Joshi.

Only in response to the 'bad body' etymologies:

Do(es) the etymologies (etymology) offered explain the occurrence in

"ॐ राजाधिराजाय प्रसह्य साहिने नमो वयं वैश्रवणाय कुर्महे। स मे कामान् कामकामाय मह्यं कामेश्वरो वैश्रवणो ददातु। कुबेराय वैश्रवणाय महाराजाय नम:" ?

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[K S Kannan]

In Sanskrit  especially, names are epithets, and epithets names.

We have authorities such as Vātavyādhi Mr Rheumatism),

and Kauṇapadanta(Mr Dental Diabolical)

[Ashok Aklujkar]

At least in Maharashtra villages a custom existed of giving a newly born an unattractive name if the new-born's mother had a history of prematurely dying children (e.g., Dhondo ’stone’ Keshav Karve, one of the great social reformers of modern India, who lived to be 104 years old; Dagaḍū ‘stone, rock’ Sheth Halwai/Halawai, whose name has a place of honour in central Pune City and the annual Ganesh Festival). ‘Death will not be attracted to the child if the child has a repulsive name’ was the explanation of the custom — at least the explanation I have heard.

Is a similar custom noticed elsewhere? I would like to find out how widespread the custom is. (My intention is not to assert that Vātavyādhi and Kauṇapadanta owe their origin to the same custom.) So, please let the list know, with a specification of your part of the world, any similar names that you might have come across. 

Prof. Kannan’s renderings of the two epithets, while not literal, will work very well for the English-speaking world.

a.a.

[Nagaraj Paturi]

Prof. Aklujkar,

The custom you mentioned is prevalent here in the Telugu speaking states too.

These are some of the additional details : The continuous baby deaths for certain parents is considered to be 'evil eye' effect. And unattractive naming is considered to be 'evil eye removing method'.

Such deaths are considered to be part of the 'fate' of the parents not to have their own children surviving. In such cases, the child is disowned for a few minutes and is taken back to be brought up by the same parents as foster parents and not as natural parents. In some cases, within this tradition, the child is symbolically 'given' to the garbage bin and 'taken back' from it and the names in such cases have the meaning garbage or garbage bin etc.  

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[Nagaraj Paturi]

My question was how can the 'bad bodied' meaning be justified in the case of the Veda-usage of the word Kubera?

[Ramaratnam S.]

I do not know whether somebody has already made an observation on the tradition in Tamil Nadu. In a similar situation as pointed out by Prof Ashok Aklujkar, (Dhondo), we have names such as Kuppusamy (kuppai = garbage) and Pichchai (begging). Vataavyadhi reminds me of a name in the Tamil literary world. The original name of the poet is forgotten. Whenever he committed a mistake he used to prick his head with the sharp end of the writing stylus with the result that there was always pus oozing out from the wounds.  He came to be called as Seezhthalai sattanar ( seezh = pus;; thalai = head).

Raamaratnam

[V Subrahmanian]

In the Kannada region too this practice is found widely spread.  For example, the equivalent of 'stone' is 'guṇḍu'. Hence gunḍappa, gunḍaṇṇa, gunḍu rao,  etc. are common. Kallappa is also another synonym. Thippe or Thippaiah is to mean 'just a garbage.'  Such names are given to children who are born after a long penance of the parents. 

regards

subrahmanian.v 

[G S S Murthy]

The custom is prevalent in Kannada speaking world too.

Regards,

Murthy

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[N.R.Joshi]

Nov 13, 2016

Thank you Prof N. Paturi for posting these lines from Mantrapus'paanjali (not Mantrapus'pam)

"ॐ राजाधिराजाय प्रसह्य साहिने नमो वयं वैश्रवणाय कुर्महे। स मे कामान् कामकामाय मह्यं कामेश्वरो वैश्रवणो ददातु। कुबेराय वैश्रवणाय महाराजाय 

 

Here is my question--What is the significance of having names of two kings (Kubera and Marutta-not marut) in Mantrapus'paanjali?

Please give me website or ref to a book where I can find correct translation in English of Mantrapus'paanjali. Thanks. N. R. Joshi

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To get a translation of the Mantrapushpa through web search is not a big deal.

Please go ahead giving us the details of the answer you seem to already have for the question,

"What is the significance of having names of two kings (Kubera and Marutta-not marut) in Mantrapus'paanjali?"

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[Dr. Yadu Moharir]

Namste,

I am not sure if the following example for the prefix (कु)  from Marathi has already been discussed within this thread:

कुरूप - रूप - स्वरूप - सुस्वरूप

This does suggest that the meaning of कु could signify - UGLY

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On Saturday, 12 November 2016 11:28:19 UTC+5:30, G S S Murthy wrote:

The custom is prevalent in Kannada speaking world too.

Regards,

Murthy

The belief that a bad name given to a boy makes him live long and wards off the evil eye is also to be found in rural areas of eastern Uttar Pradesh. Padma Bhushan Pandit Chhannulal Mishra, arguably one of the best living Hindustani classical vocalists, was born in a poor Kanyakubja Brahmin family in the village Hariharpur (Azamgarh district). His mother named him Chhannu (छन्नू). While his formal name is Mohanlal (मोहनलाल), it is not known to many. Pandit Ji chose to be known by the name his mother gave him. 

Pandit Ji's delightful interview, in which he talks about his name and gives a humorous positive twist to it, on Shaksiyat programme on Rajya Sabha TV earlier this year can be watched here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggca59Aekjg&t=8m53s

[Candragarbhaḥ]

This too was attested in medieval Bengal. Where Chaitanya Mahaprabhu was named by his mother 'nimāi' after the bitter neem tree to ward off evil spirits,for instance.

[Kalicharan Tuvij]

"kuber" = hoarder.