SPV or Web Wallets?

[Dean Walsh]

I am not able to run a full node on my computer but I would like to support the move the bigger blocks. Are there any lightweight wallets or web wallets I can use, which run on xt?

[Hector Chu]

SPV wallets always follow the longest chain. In the future XT-specific wallets will be available containing a checkpoint of the XT-specific fork, in case the Bitcoin Core chain is winning.

On 11 August 2015 at 21:58, Dean Walsh <deans...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

I am not able to run a full node on my computer but I would like to support the move the bigger blocks. Are there any lightweight wallets or web wallets I can use, which run on xt?

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[Gavin Andresen]

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Hector Chu <hect...@gmail.com> wrote:

SPV wallets always follow the longest chain. In the future XT-specific wallets will be available containing a checkpoint of the XT-specific fork, in case the Bitcoin Core chain is winning.

SPV wallets DO always follow the longest valid-proof-of-work chain.

But there is no "in case the Bitcoin Core chain is winning" and there will be no checkpointing -- big blocks won't happen until there is a supermajority of support.

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[Dean Walsh]

Thank for the info guys. So there is nothing to do - no web wallets committed to xt?

Also will there be any kind of campaign to convince people to make the switch at any point? For example, I run a couple of small bitcoin related websites and would be willing to put something like a 'support bigger blocks' ribbon over the corner linking to an information source - although that might be pointless until there is something that more casual users can do.

[Tom Harding]

You can tell your wallet to connect to an XT node.

On 8/11/2015 2:50 PM, Dean Walsh wrote:

Thank for the info guys. So there is nothing to do - no web wallets committed to xt?

Also will there be any kind of campaign to convince people to make the switch at any point? For example, I run a couple of small bitcoin related websites and would be willing to put something like a 'support bigger blocks' ribbon over the corner linking to an information source - although that might be pointless until there is something that more casual users can do.

[NxtChg]

>Also will there be any kind of campaign to convince people to make the switch at any point?

What would be nice is to have a better alternative to bitcointalk.org.

With theymos openly censoring XT posts on /r/bitcoin/ it won't be long for BTT to join the campaign against it too.

People started creating their own subreddits, like r/bitcoin_uncensored and r/bitcoinxt, so if there would be an official place,
which has a bit less stigma and a bit more sanely moderated than BTT, people might flock to it just to have a better place to talk
or even simply "to vote with their feet".

Having a better forum would also improve Bitcoin's image.

So, any plans?

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[Mike Hearn]

We'll go around and talk to the various web wallet developers once the XT with bigger blocks is available and launched. I'd like to have a gallery of websites and logos that are on board.

If you use an SPV wallet you'll just follow the majority whatever happens, so, that's also an option.

[Jameson Lopp]

As a web wallet developer I can tell you that BitGo probably won't announce any support for XT due to bitcoin.org's new policy https://bitcoin.org/en/posts/hard-fork-policy

From a business standpoint it looks like we will be staying neutral and taking a "wait and see" approach.

- Jameson

On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 2:54 AM, Mike Hearn <he...@vinumeris.com> wrote:

We'll go around and talk to the various web wallet developers once the XT with bigger blocks is available and launched. I'd like to have a gallery of websites and logos that are on board.

If you use an SPV wallet you'll just follow the majority whatever happens, so, that's also an option.

[Mike Hearn]

I understand your position, but that's still a mistake.

You're effectively allowing theymos to take control of your company through blackmail. Not good.

[Chris Wheeler]

Jameson,

The policy specifically states: 

> It does not apply to software that cannot detect the contentious hard fork and which continues doing whatever it would’ve done anyway.

This was added specifically to address concerns that wallets/services which simply follow the longest chain would be affected, and make it clear that they wouldn't. See discussion here https://bitcoin.org/en/posts/hard-fork-policy

I don't think claiming that you support Bitcoin XT would be an issue, as long as you didn't do something like checkpointing the XT fork, or offering users a choice between Core/XT chains etc.

Thanks,

- Chris

[Chris Wheeler]

Sorry, I meant to link to https://github.com/bitcoin-dot-org/bitcoin.org/pull/894 for the discussion :)

[Jameson Lopp]

Yeah, you'll note I was a part of the discussion, and the policy does have the feel of blackmail to me since bitcoin.org is a huge source of traffic for wallet providers.

My primary problem with the kneejerk reaction we're seeing to XT as an "altcoin" is that I don't find two cryptocurrency codebases that are compatible with the same blockchain to be altcoins of each other until AFTER the chain actually diverges. Thus calling a new codebase an "altcoin" is doing little other than instituting a chilling effect upon its adoption.

I haven't looked into it too deeply, but I'm pretty sure that BitGo could switch to supporting XT without changing a single line of code - all we'd have to do is swap out our internal nodes for XT.

Anyway, this decision isn't up to me, I'm just making a note of the chilling effect.

- Jameson