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I don't think anyone has all those numbers. Of course IBM does have the numbers for the current systems, but even they don't have the numbers for the older systems because many of them were purchased systems and no one knows how many of them still exist. And I don't think anyone with the numbers you are looking for will be able to respond to your request.
Chuck Arney
Arney Computer Systems
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Subject: IBM DOS, DOS/VS, DOS/VSE,
VSE/SP, VSE/ESA, z/VSE Customers
Hello Dave,
I have my own personal list of z/VM and z/VSE people. I keep it updated as I feel like it.
With sections for USA, International, IBM people, and a new z/OS section.
Nothing fancy.
No salespeople allowed.
Ed Martin
Aultman Health Foundation
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Ron,
That was very interesting. I am another one who wishes they knew how many VSE sites are still out there.
Sometimes I think that VSE is dying. Then I stop and think about how much VSE has going for it.
So much great work from so many great developers has gone into VSE. CICS and robust batch capabilities.
It is hard to believe that something so good is disappearing off the face of the earth.
I would think that at least a ballpark (plus or minus 5000?) number could be determined.
Would FSI know how many FLEX/VSE systems are out there?
Paul
Hello Everyone,
I agree with Paul. Plus, I keep hearing about the Asian ring going with z/VM-z/VSE system, and in South America.
z/OS is so expensive that z/VM-z/VSE-z/LINUX is a significant cost savings. Or at least, as I read and am told.
Interesting thought. Is z/VM, z/VSE, and Linux for Z a more flexible solution for new development than z/OS? In any case, I agree with Ron in that IBM may be hard pressed to really know the true number of “VSE” flavor shops out there. Maybe it’s more appropriate to look at revenue generating shops. If a one-time charge shop has stopped paying maintenance fees then there’s a good chance that they have frozen their commitment to the platform. In any case, only revenue generating shops give IBM an incentive to actively maintain and develop the current z/VSE offering.
From: vse-l-bounces+kcorkery=live...@lists.lehigh.edu [mailto:vse-l-bounces+kcorkery=live...@lists.lehigh.edu] On Behalf Of Edward M Martin
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Hello Kevin,
Having been just converted to z/OS from z/VM-z/VSE, I can attest to the fact that z/OS is powerful, able to recover abends fast, and is the slowest developmental platform I have ever seen.
TSO is powerful but it is the EDLIN of Zseries editors. Even ICCF has it beat.
My TSO experience is so long ago they did let the programmers use it … Roscoe and SuperWylbur were the environments of choice.
Maybe TSO raw at the command line prompt is bad (that is EDLINish) but I do agree using the ISPF screens is quite good. All editors have their good and bad points. I’ve never found one that gave me everything I wanted; and I worked with a lot of different mainframe based editors over the years.
I can recall many many years ago a similar discussion on the number of boxes running the various variants, that was quite high, but it turned out (someone can correct me) State Farms had one per office. There used to be 6 or so VSE sites in New Zealand.
Looks like I will still be here until mid 2012 , and yes we have on our project plan to formally notify IBM (we want the billing to stop) when we finally get the final OK.
Allan
From: vse-l-bounces+allan.peterson=revera...@lists.lehigh.edu [mailto:vse-l-bounces+allan.peterson=revera...@lists.lehigh.edu] On Behalf Of Paul L'Heureux
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From: vse-l-bounces+emartin=aultm...@lists.lehigh.edu [mailto:vse-l-bounces+emartin=aultm...@lists.lehigh.edu] On Behalf Of Paul L'Heureux
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Subject: Re: IBM DOS, DOS/VS, DOS/VSE, VSE/SP, VSE/ESA, z/VSE Customers
Ron,
That was very interesting. I am another one who wishes they knew how many VSE sites are still out there.
Sometimes I think that VSE is dying. Then I stop and think about how much VSE has going for it.
So much great work from so many great developers has gone into VSE. CICS and robust batch capabilities.
It is hard to believe that something so good is disappearing off the face of the earth.
I would think that at least a ballpark (plus or minus 5000?) number could be determined.
Would FSI know how many FLEX/VSE systems are out there?
Paul
Hello Mick,
Yea I used the best from both. XEDIT is the best.
From: vse-l-bounces+emartin=aultm...@lists.lehigh.edu [mailto:vse-l-bounces+emartin=aultm...@lists.lehigh.edu] On Behalf Of mick poil
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 3:58 PM
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Subject: Re: IBM DOS, DOS/VS, DOS/VSE, VSE/SP, VSE/ESA, z/VSE Customers
Did you mean ISPF or TSO when comparing to ICCF? If it was ISPF, I would sure like a copy of your version of ICCF.
Hello Gene,
I agree that native TSO is quick powerful. Finding how to do functions is very hard. Or defining Screens to ISPF under TSO to make the system more user friendly.
I suspect that most of my problems are that I don’t know how to do functions that we knew how to do on z/VSE and z/VM.
Like interactive Rexx. I used it all the time on z/VM. I am finally figuring out how to set it up in the TSO world.
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Hi Ed:
Hate to disagree but ICCF is nothing compared to the power in TSO.
Regards,
Gene
In a message dated 11/3/2011 3:37:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, EMa...@aultman.com writes:
Hello Kevin,
Having been just converted to z/OS from z/VM-z/VSE, I can attest to the fact that z/OS is powerful, able to recover abends fast, and is the slowest developmental platform I have ever seen.
TSO is powerful but it is the EDLIN of Zseries editors. Even ICCF has it beat.
Ed Martin
From: vse-l-bounces+emartin=aultm...@lists.lehigh.edu [mailto:vse-l-bounces+emartin=aultm...@lists.lehigh.edu] On Behalf Of Kevin Corkery
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Interesting thought. Is z/VM, z/VSE, and Linux for Z a more flexible solution for new development than z/OS? In any case, I agree with Ron in that IBM may be hard pressed to really know the true number of “VSE” flavor shops out there. Maybe it’s more appropriate to look at revenue generating shops. If a one-time charge shop has stopped paying maintenance fees then there’s a good chance that they have frozen their commitment to the platform. In any case, only revenue generating shops give IBM an incentive to actively maintain and develop the current z/VSE offering.
From: vse-l-bounces+kcorkery=live...@lists.lehigh.edu [mailto:vse-l-bounces+kcorkery=live...@lists.lehigh.edu] On Behalf Of Edward M Martin
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 3:10 PM
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Subject: RE: IBM DOS, DOS/VS, DOS/VSE, VSE/SP, VSE/ESA, z/VSE Customers
Hello Everyone,
I agree with Paul. Plus, I keep hearing about the Asian ring going with z/VM-z/VSE system, and in South America.
z/OS is so expensive that z/VM-z/VSE-z/LINUX is a significant cost savings. Or at least, as I read and am told.
Ed Martin
From: vse-l-bounces+emartin=aultm...@lists.lehigh.edu [mailto:vse-l-bounces+emartin=aultm...@lists.lehigh.edu] On Behalf Of Paul L'Heureux
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Subject: Re: IBM DOS, DOS/VS, DOS/VSE, VSE/SP, VSE/ESA, z/VSE Customers
Ron,
That was very interesting. I am another one who wishes they knew how many VSE sites are still out there.
Sometimes I think that VSE is dying. Then I stop and think about how much VSE has going for it.
So much great work from so many great developers has gone into VSE. CICS and robust batch capabilities.
It is hard to believe that something so good is disappearing off the face of the earth.
I would think that at least a ballpark (plus or minus 5000?) number could be determined.
Would FSI know how many FLEX/VSE systems are out there?
Paul
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Hello Gene,
I may have to talk to you more about productivity offline. We are having lots of issues.
I forgot to add that there are a lot of companies that I know of that still run VSE (z/VSE) but no one ever hears about them. For example I know that some Ford Motor location runs 64, or was it 65, z/VSE LPAR's.
Interesting … at one time this would have been 64 installations, a 4331 in every pot so to speak. But now, with bandwidth being what it is it’s perfectly reasonable to host all of these site in LPARs in at a single site. Make D/R much easier I would think. I always heard that it was Sears (or maybe Allstate) that had a small system in every store or regional office. I guess it would be perfectly reasonable to consolidate much of that into many LPARs or VM images. I know that ADP Payroll Services used to be many VSE data centers around the country but I suspect that has changed too. What were one many licenses for VSE and many physical CPUs have been consolidated down. So, counting the sites becomes even more meaningless.
From: vse-l-bounces+kcorkery=live...@lists.lehigh.edu [mailto:vse-l-bounces+kcorkery=live...@lists.lehigh.edu] On Behalf Of Jeff Henry
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:54 PM
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Subject: Re: IBM DOS, DOS/VS, DOS/VSE, VSE/SP, VSE/ESA, z/VSE Customers
Yeah, that us. We're running 60-ish z/VSE's here in Dearborn, supporting sites across the US and EU.
Tom,
Thanks for that info. I seem to remember being at a seminar where the lecturer mentioned the 14,000 VSE licenses.
That number stuck in my head. Why IBM treats VSE like a red-haired stepchild is the real question.
Paul
Seriously, IBM should of spent more time trying to convert VSE shops to AS/400 than MVS. For many VSE shops this would have been a much better fit. Buy packages for A/R, A/P, and G/L since they are pretty generic across many industries. Identify other non-core applications that can be sastisfied by a package, then convert your remaining business applications. The cost of packaged software was traditionally much lower on the AS/400 than a mainframe.
From: vse-l-bounces+kcorkery=live...@lists.lehigh.edu [mailto:vse-l-bounces+kcorkery=live...@lists.lehigh.edu] On Behalf Of Steve Huggins
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 10:03 AM
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Subject: Re: IBM DOS, DOS/VS, DOS/VSE, VSE/SP, VSE/ESA, z/VSE Customers
Paul,
Steve,
Is IBM committed to the AS/400 for the long term?
Is IBM going to move all AS/400 (iseries) to pseries?
If I was an iseries user now, and I am forced to go p-series, do I lose all my COBOL stuff and all of my database?
Does the As/400 have a nice backend (for the cloud)?
I agree with you about how the AS/400 is taking load away from VSE.
Just wondering,
Paul