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John A. Stanley

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Nov 14, 1994, 3:18:47 PM11/14/94
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wei...@ndlc.occ.uky.edu writes:
> If your a gay female and interested in a new twist in your life
>then think about two girls and one male. The girls are in bed expericing
>each others body while the male watches.
>
> If your interested E-Mail me. I like to watch!

Gee, I just _knew_ that lesbians served a purpose: to be the visual
sex toys for horny het-boys.

Is it just me or is the above quoted article really quite
offensive? How do the lesbians on gaynet feel about this?

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John A. Stanley jsta...@solar.win.net

OBR...@delphi.com

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Nov 14, 1994, 5:21:49 PM11/14/94
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> Is it just me or is the above quoted article really quite
> offensive? How do the lesbians on gaynet feel about this?
>
> --
> John A. Stanley jsta...@solar.win.net
>

I find it offensive. It's not just you.

obr...@delphi.com

TIM BROWN

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Nov 14, 1994, 9:44:48 PM11/14/94
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> Reply-to: jsta...@solar.win.net (John A. Stanley)
> To: gay...@queernet.org
> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 11:08:18
> Subject: Re: Wanted Gay Women
> From: jsta...@solar.win.net (John A. Stanley)

> wei...@ndlc.occ.uky.edu writes:
> > If your a gay female and interested in a new twist in your life
> >then think about two girls and one male. The girls are in bed
expericing
> >each others body while the male watches.
> >
> > If your interested E-Mail me. I like to watch!
>
> Gee, I just _knew_ that lesbians served a purpose: to be the visual
> sex toys for horny het-boys.
>

> Is it just me or is the above quoted article really quite
> offensive? How do the lesbians on gaynet feel about this?
>
> --
> John A. Stanley jsta...@solar.win.net
>
>

Sigh! I thank you for your offence, John. I'm a man and I find it
offensive, regardless. Some people are stuck in childhood, never to
advance I'm afraid...


Tim

Lisa Rae Jackson

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Nov 15, 1994, 1:22:49 AM11/15/94
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Dear John,
I fing your invitation rather revoting. I am SICK TO DEATH OF BORING
MORONS THINKING THEY CAN ADD SOME "SPICE" TO MY LIFE.

There are places you can met the women who will perform so you can jerk
off your little dick.

I for one invit you to sod off back into het wonderland AND STAY THERE.

Lisa Rae Jackson

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Nov 15, 1994, 1:24:23 AM11/15/94
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JOHN, SORRY, I DID NOT RELISE THAT THAT MESSAGE WAS NOT FROM YOU>
PLEASE TAKE THIS APPOLOY,

WHAT IS THAT JERKS ADRESS SO I CAN RESPOND TO HIM

Linda Benning

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Nov 15, 1994, 10:46:16 AM11/15/94
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wei...@ndlc.occ.uky.edu writes:
> If your a gay female and interested in a new twist in your life
>then think about two girls and one male. The girls are in bed expericing
>each others body while the male watches.
>
> If your interested E-Mail me. I like to watch!

Gee, I just _knew_ that lesbians served a purpose: to be the visual
sex toys for horny het-boys.

Is it just me or is the above quoted article really quite
offensive? How do the lesbians on gaynet feel about this?

--
John A. Stanley jsta...@solar.win.net

________________________

Yes, I completely agree with you. If I wanted to be in bed with a
man and a woman I would be bisexual. not gay.

Jane E B Harrison

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Nov 15, 1994, 11:57:25 PM11/15/94
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In article <DCA2...@marsh.vinu.edu>, "TIM BROWN" <TBR...@Marsh.VINU.edu>
wrote:

Theres a disease/congenital order that I wish I could remeber the name of,
where the male member is stuck in childhood- responsless to testosterone
or something like that.
Maybe its not as rare as I origionally thought :)

>
> Tim

As to the origional post I find it really offensive. Its a twist in my
life I could definately do without.

Thanks Tim and John for being so offended also.

JAne

--
Jane E B Harrison "Science is like being God-
Medical School only I have time and budget constraints"
University of Auckland
'All opinons are MINE and MINE alone'

Rebecca Cox

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Nov 16, 1994, 1:18:23 AM11/16/94
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>
>Is it just me or is the above quoted article really quite
>offensive? How do the lesbians on gaynet feel about this?
>
>--
dear john,

as a lesbian i find it incredibly offensive. i would like to add that i
think it is a testimonial to the sensibilities of some of the men on gaynet
that you were the first person to ask this question. thank you. but i add
this caveat - watch your tongue - your use of cunt as an epithet was not
good.

love rebecca

Vera Miao

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Nov 16, 1994, 6:06:04 PM11/16/94
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What a boring ad- it's so unoriginal and predictable. One of the biggest
problems within the queer community is its inability to confront its own
flaws- however "subversive" we are, we are still a product of the society
around us. I myself (Chinese-American lesbian) am constantly
experienceing racism, sexism, and homophobia *within* the queer
community, fuck the straight world.

Vera Miao

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Nov 16, 1994, 6:17:13 PM11/16/94
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In response to Benning's comment at the end of this message. What are
you trying to say about bisexuality? It's a valid and queer identity, as
much as your complacent lesbianism. Your comment in response to an
incredibly offensive ad was just as offensive (ever hear of biphobia?),
nor does it address the problems within the ad's contents, it just heaps
on more on a completely different subject matter. Stop sexualizing
bisexuality and try to remember that it's not an insult. (You know, much
like telling straight people that being a lesbian isn't a bad thing?)

Lisa Rae Jackson

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Nov 17, 1994, 2:12:15 AM11/17/94
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Jane,

seems as though the bloke with the "2 gays girls in bed" line has
inspired us all with offence, even here in NZ and Oz,
cheers mate

John A. Stanley

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Nov 17, 1994, 10:52:37 PM11/17/94
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Rebec...@anu.edu.au writes:
>
>>
>>Is it just me or is the above quoted article really quite
>>offensive? How do the lesbians on gaynet feel about this?
>>
>>--
>dear john,
>
>as a lesbian i find it incredibly offensive. i would like to add that i
>think it is a testimonial to the sensibilities of some of the men on gaynet
>that you were the first person to ask this question. thank you. but i add
>this caveat - watch your tongue - your use of cunt as an epithet was not
>good.

That epithet was something I said in drunken, het-boy banter that I
share with a fellow fag and dear friend. Due to my drunkenness, that
epithet, said in private e-mail, was erroneously sent to gaynet
instead of my friend's e-mail address. I would dearly like to
assume that you missed my public apology and explanation posted
earlier, because if you think that I should censor myself in
private correspondance, then we have a _serious_ disagreement.

Christopher Jon Ludbrook

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Nov 17, 1994, 11:14:59 PM11/17/94
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hey you cock sucking, cunt licking homosexual faggot/dykes. fudge
packing is totaly unacceptable, but i do find taco bumping fairly
exciting. if any of you are interested in sending me some premeium dyke
footage on vhs or beta, feel free to respond. i have performed in 4
feature length films of my own and am always interested in getting a few
heavy sweating, big titted, shaved cunt, tanned babes dyking out in my
beautiful condo around the Salt Lake area. I am willing to provide
transportation, but if i am driving, i expect roader hummers possibly
followed with sex on the road for my next film. so all you dykes feel
free to correspond, but you butt pirate faggot cocksuckers stay away. if
you are up to par, which is my discretion, i will find an exciting part
with other attractive taco bumpers that will suit your needs. butches
need not apply.

Kathryn L. Stein

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Nov 17, 1994, 9:52:18 PM11/17/94
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: Is it just me or is the above quoted article really quite

: offensive? How do the lesbians on gaynet feel about this?

: --
: John A. Stanley jsta...@solar.win.net

I find it extremely offensive.

Don Yates

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Nov 18, 1994, 11:10:41 PM11/18/94
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Christopher Jon Ludbrook (cjlu...@artsci.wustl.edu) wrote:
: hey you cock sucking, cunt licking homosexual faggot/dykes. fudge

: >
: >

Patrick Ferris

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Nov 19, 1994, 12:00:25 AM11/19/94
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In <Pine.NXT.3.91.941117215718.12554A-100000@papaya> cjlu...@artsci.wustl.edu
writes:

> hey you cock sucking, [phobic nonsense deleted]

> beautiful condo around the Salt Lake area.

Sadly, this cretin is right here on my campus. Junior in Arts
and Sciences, lives on Frat Row, so forget about the condo in Salt
Lake.

Roger, how did this get posted? Is this guy a subscriber?

Patrick F.

Richard Brown

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Nov 19, 1994, 12:42:22 PM11/19/94
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Don... what was the point of repeating all that stuff?

Richard

Richard Brown

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Nov 19, 1994, 12:47:50 PM11/19/94
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Patrick...
We have his address. We could bomb him. hahaha

Richard

Lisa Rae Jackson

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Nov 19, 1994, 3:12:17 AM11/19/94
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is this for real??? or is this some strange bit of humour? If it is a
joke then i rekon you americans are stranger than i thought!! (whats
a "fudge packing" and "taco bump", is it like the "golden arches" of
macdonalds for some new food store???)

Don Yates

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Nov 19, 1994, 3:55:14 PM11/19/94
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On Sat, 19 Nov 1994, Richard Brown wrote:

> Don... what was the point of repeating all that stuff?
>
> Richard
>

As I explained in a later post, I deleted all but the first line and added
my own reactions as well as a comment to Roger; trying to go back and
edit, Ihit "quit" by mistake and the program seems to have un-edited
everything I did and re-posted. I am truly sorry to have caused it to
reappear -- I wrote the postmaster at wustl twice about it.

I am as concerned as you seem to be, and also concerned that fewer people
are complaining about it... First smurfs, now this; and Roger objected
to poor Graeme ARcher.

DY


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Lisa Rae Jackson

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Nov 19, 1994, 10:59:53 PM11/19/94
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want a donation????
lisa

On Sat, 19 Nov 1994, Richard Brown wrote:

Richard Brown

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Nov 19, 1994, 11:18:33 PM11/19/94
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Lisa...

Go ahead...no need for third parties. :)

Richard

Don Yates

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Nov 19, 1994, 11:50:08 AM11/19/94
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Patrick Ferris (FER...@wustlb.wustl.edu) wrote:
: In <Pine.NXT.3.91.941117215718.12554A-100000@papaya> cjlu...@artsci.wustl.edu
: writes:

: > hey you [phobic nonsense deleted]


: Roger, how did this get posted? Is this guy a subscriber?

: Patrick F.

I'd like to know too. I posted a protest that tried to eliminate most of
the ranting, but unfortunately ended up just reposting it -- sorry to
all. Maybe my "real" post will still show up... Is this group still
moderated??

DY

Richard Brown

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Nov 19, 1994, 5:27:00 PM11/19/94
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Don...

No problem. Delete is easy to hit. [g] I just thought there might be a
point you were making. Given the hair triggers in the list, no wonder
you're sensitive. Not here. All is forgiven. Come home.

Cheers,

Richard

mar...@halcyon.com

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Nov 20, 1994, 3:37:10 PM11/20/94
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In article <3am7b6$8...@pith.uoregon.edu>, <sro...@oregon.uoregon.edu> writes:

Men are quite supportive in public, but then they
> turn around in private and use our body parts as insults." Or something to
> that effect. I know that I was made really uncomfortable just recently when
> a bunch of my male friends forgot I was in the room and started calling
> women "fish". Then they were embarrassed, saying, "Oh, we didn't mean you,"
> when they realized I had heard them. It was if they thought as long as they
> were polite and supportive when women were around, that was enough. They
> didn't have to change their private behavior, because we women didn't play
> into it. It reminded me of some times when straight people have made queer
> jokes forgetting I was a lesbian, then apologizing, saying "Oh, we didn't
> mean that to be offensive." It just made me wonder what they said when
> they didn't have to be PC in front of me.
>
I have spent enough time around lesbians to have heard a lot of anti-male
sentiment from them as well. In fact, probably more than I've heard anti-female
comments from gay men(although straight men have the record for all sorts of
derogatory comments :-) It's a natural human tendancy to bond with "your own
kind", whatever that is, by putting down those nasty ole _Others_. Doesn't mean
it's correct, just a fact of life....I have been known to speak up when I feel
it's more hateful than harmless.

Mark Brown

John A. Stanley

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Nov 21, 1994, 10:43:41 PM11/21/94
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sro...@oregon.uoregon.edu writes:
>
>No, I don't think I should any control over anybody's private correspondence.
>But then, I don't think anybody should be surprised when I'm skeptical. It
>only takes once to implant an idea. I don't like men using important parts of
>my body as an insult. If the apology had read more like "I was drunk, I
>usually don't throw the word "cunt" around," instead of "Gee, I'm sorry you
>found out about that, because I posted it wrong when I was drunk," maybe I
>would've felt differently.

I'm just as likely to use an important part of the male anatomy as
an insult, but since you're generally not privy to my private
e-mail you wouldn't know this. BTW, many *women* use the word
'prick' as an insult, and personally, I'm not at all bothered by
it.

I'm sorry that my apology didn't meet your exacting high standards,
but the fact is, I do use terms like 'cunt' and 'dickhead' in my
correspondance with my friend, who is so intensely close that we
have a no holds barred policy WRT the language we use, and no amount
of hypersensitive political correctness is going to stop me from
continuing to do so. In the future I *will* be more dilligent about
keeping it private.

Roger B.A. Klorese

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Nov 22, 1994, 8:24:00 AM11/22/94
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In article <3ak0p9$r...@bigfoot.wustl.edu> you write:
> Roger, how did this get posted? Is this guy a subscriber?

The word you're looking for is "was"...
--
ROGER B.A. KLORESE rog...@QueerNet.ORG
2215-R Market Street #576 San Francisco, CA 94114 +1 415 ALL-ARFF
"There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of joy!" -- Paul Rudnick

Linda Ryan

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Nov 22, 1994, 1:11:10 PM11/22/94
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On Mon, 14 Nov 1994, John A. Stanley wrote:
> wei...@ndlc.occ.uky.edu writes:
> > If your a gay female and interested in a new twist in your life
> >then think about two girls and one male. The girls are in bed expericing
> >each others body while the male watches.
> > If your interested E-Mail me. I like to watch!
> Gee, I just _knew_ that lesbians served a purpose: to be the visual
> sex toys for horny het-boys.
> Is it just me or is the above quoted article really quite
> offensive? How do the lesbians on gaynet feel about this?
> John A. Stanley jsta...@solar.win.net

Yes John, I find it exceptionally offensive...and a notion that I've run
into more than once with co-workers, family members, straight men who
frequent primarily women's bars...the idea that "If you were with the
right guy, things would be different..." I was in the military for 8
years and can't begin to tell you how many men out there are willing to
show you the way to what they consider bliss. Okay, okay, I've put in a
huge generalization here...and I'm sure I'll hear about it...

glad to be back!

TTFN
Linda R

jr...@uccs.edu

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Nov 25, 1994, 2:42:04 PM11/25/94
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I understand why the original request would most likely be offensive.
But are there any conditions under which it would not? I found
it offensive, too, but wonder all such sexual imagination should be
policed. Is there no possibility that two women in love with each
other, and sexually adventurous, might want, for whatever reason,
an erotically interested man as part of their scene? I know for a
fact that the reverse and various permutations are possible. SHould
such a request be only in terms of already established friendships,
or could the net or the newspaper or whatever be an arena for such
an enquiry?

Though I could hardly be less interested myself, I could imagine
how it could be imaginatively, erotically compelling to someone else,
and can imagine the frustration in wondering how to proceed.

I guess my question is, does such an imagining have to be
intrinsically offensive? Or is the manner in which the
imagining was publicized?

Bises-
john PEters-Campbell
U. of Colorado in the Springs (!)

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