12.10 <swears like a sailor>

[Ric Moore]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Since I couldn't figure out how to fix all the shit and errors in my apt
sources, I just decided to upgrade the entire SOB to ditch all the errors.

Of course, I found myself dinking with Unity on first boot. Of course an
upgrade in NOT my usual. Kinda like Dos Equis, I prefer a clean install.

So, it was all fucked up ...as in SCARY fucked up. I wanted to
update/install my nvidia drivers, so I opened the dash and typed
"drivers". IT DISPLAYED GOLF CLUBS on sale at Amazon! Liam, you are
right. There is no God. Then, it wouldn't open Synaptic with the root
password panel, so it didn't work at all to apply anything. I KNEW to
open it with a terminal and sudo, but what newbie would??

So, I installed XFCE and got my old desktop back. WHEW!!! Now to get my
nvidia drivers installed. Then java from the ppa. I need a drink. Ric


--
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html

[David Gerard]

On 25 November 2012 10:20, Ric Moore <waywa...@gmail.com> wrote:

> So, it was all fucked up ...as in SCARY fucked up. I wanted to
> update/install my nvidia drivers, so I opened the dash and typed "drivers".
> IT DISPLAYED GOLF CLUBS on sale at Amazon!

What the shitting Christ!


- d.

[Ric Moore]

No fooling! And those results were ranked first! Owell, the jury is in,
my damn upgrade just started doing the very same damn thing with update.
It'll list and update the repos, and start again with fucked up urls and
a batch of errors. I did the googling ...for naught. It'll say I have
dup entries in /etc/app/sources.list when I don't.

Sp. something survived an entire release-upgrade, so I'll blow this SOB
off and install fresh. I KNEW BETTER! Luckily, with my /opt partition
scheme, I don't have to make a pile of backups. It's all safely
somewhere else with just links to ~/Desktop ~/Downloads etc., to /opt

When it blows up, it blows up REAL GOOD! :) Ric

BTW, when you go to the Ubuntu page to download the ISO it is a shopping
cart! And, payment ~has~ to be made through paypal! Guess how much they
got off of me?? Now I'l have to wait until 2AM to re-install for the
HughesNet metered connection. Scruum, Ric

p/s I got no "Additional Drivers" entry in Settings or in any other
system folder. So, I installed jockey-gtk and jockey-common and neither
package provides the application I'm used to, that installs video
drivers. Go figure.

[Ignazio Palmisano]

On 25 November 2012 21:01, Ric Moore <waywa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 11/25/2012 06:38 AM, David Gerard wrote:
>>
>> On 25 November 2012 10:20, Ric Moore <waywa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> So, it was all fucked up ...as in SCARY fucked up. I wanted to
>>> update/install my nvidia drivers, so I opened the dash and typed
>>> "drivers".
>>> IT DISPLAYED GOLF CLUBS on sale at Amazon!
>>
>>
>>
>> What the shitting Christ!
>
>
> No fooling! And those results were ranked first! Owell, the jury is in, my
> damn upgrade just started doing the very same damn thing with update.
> It'll list and update the repos, and start again with fucked up urls and a
> batch of errors. I did the googling ...for naught. It'll say I have dup
> entries in /etc/app/sources.list when I don't.
>
> Sp. something survived an entire release-upgrade, so I'll blow this SOB off
> and install fresh. I KNEW BETTER! Luckily, with my /opt partition scheme, I
> don't have to make a pile of backups. It's all safely somewhere else with
> just links to ~/Desktop ~/Downloads etc., to /opt
>
> When it blows up, it blows up REAL GOOD! :) Ric
>
> BTW, when you go to the Ubuntu page to download the ISO it is a shopping
> cart! And, payment ~has~ to be made through paypal! Guess how much they got
> off of me?? Now I'l have to wait until 2AM to re-install for the HughesNet
> metered connection. Scruum, Ric

Payment? you can still download it for free with the tiny link at the
bottom. Shady practice they learned from airlines, I'd say.
I.

[Liam Proven]

On 25 November 2012 21:01, Ric Moore <waywa...@gmail.com> wrote:

Nonsense. You don't have to pay. There's a "Not now, take me to the
download" link right there, immediately to the left of the "pay"
button.

And Ignazio, it is *not* tiny, it is exactly the same size as the "Pay
with Paypal" button, it's just not boxed out in bright orange.

Ric, if you missed that perfectly obvious link, then you were paying
no attention at all, and if that is how little attention you pay, I am
not surprised that you break things.

Quit the FUD, both of you. You should be ashamed. *Bad* FOSS
advocates, no biscuit!



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[Ignazio Palmisano]

My point. It's got less emphasis, it took me a few seconds more to see and I was looking for it, I fud you not.

Or, you mean all the other sites I've seen - Easyjet and Jet2 come to mind - do not do the same in the hope of catching the stray quid now and again?

I don't /care/ to have to look down or occasionally scroll, but I think the design of the page is geared for people to pay more attention to the sponsoring thingie.
I.

[Liam Proven]

On 26 November 2012 13:00, Ignazio Palmisano

<ipalmisan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> My point. It's got less emphasis, it took me a few seconds more to see and I
> was looking for it, I fud you not.

All right, I must give you that. I did not spot it *immediately*
myself, I must admit.

> Or, you mean all the other sites I've seen - Easyjet and Jet2 come to mind -
> do not do the same in the hope of catching the stray quid now and again?

I have not seen this, I'm afraid, but I am sure you're right.

There used to be some site - I forget where now - where the download
link for the free product was so inconspicuous that I at first thought
it had gone. A friend assured me otherwise, and I made a concerted
effort - still no. So I used Ctrl-F to search the page and there it
was.

I think it was something I now have replaced with a smaller
alternative that I get from www.ninite.com - perhaps AVG. I forget.

It *is* a problem.

> I don't /care/ to have to look down or occasionally scroll

I am not sure exactly what you intended here.

Do you mean
"I don't care if I have to..." - as in, it does not matter to you? Or
"I do not care for searching and scrolling" - as in, you do not like
doing it?

This use of "I do not care for..." is a little archaic now and can be tricky.

> but I think the
> design of the page is geared for people to pay more attention to the
> sponsoring thingie.

Agreed.

[Samuel Thurston]

On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 7:25 AM, Liam Proven <lpr...@gmail.com> wrote:

<SNIP>

>
> I think it was something I now have replaced with a smaller
> alternative that I get from www.ninite.com - perhaps AVG. I forget.
>
> It *is* a problem.

Well, surely you can see the difference between a commercial product
hiding the link for their bait product and a company that has
contributed really only a tiny percentage of the code they're trying
to "sell". I just looked, and frankly I'm appalled at this shameless
cash grab from a "we promise it will always be free" company.

I surely don't blame them for trying to fund their efforts, but I
think this is a seriously egregious method of doing so.

No wonder ol' SADFL seemed to be systematically banishing any internal
dissent over the last several years.

>
>> I don't /care/ to have to look down or occasionally scroll
>
> I am not sure exactly what you intended here.
>
> Do you mean
> "I don't care if I have to..." - as in, it does not matter to you? Or
> "I do not care for searching and scrolling" - as in, you do not like
> doing it?
>
> This use of "I do not care for..." is a little archaic now and can be tricky.

A little pedantic, Liam. As an Usaian, I thought his meaning was
perfectly clear, the second of your interpretations.

[Liam Proven]

On 26 November 2012 15:13, Samuel Thurston <sam.th...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 7:25 AM, Liam Proven <lpr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> <SNIP>
>
>>
>> I think it was something I now have replaced with a smaller
>> alternative that I get from www.ninite.com - perhaps AVG. I forget.
>>
>> It *is* a problem.
>
> Well, surely you can see the difference between a commercial product
> hiding the link for their bait product and a company that has
> contributed really only a tiny percentage of the code they're trying
> to "sell".

I guess so. Seems like quite a small difference to me, frankly. YMMV of course.

> I just looked, and frankly I'm appalled at this shameless
> cash grab from a "we promise it will always be free" company.

It is a bit, um, well, blatant, but I think "appalled" is a bit strong. But hey.

> I surely don't blame them for trying to fund their efforts, but I
> think this is a seriously egregious method of doing so.

Pretty much agreed.

> No wonder ol' SADFL seemed to be systematically banishing any internal
> dissent over the last several years.

Yeah, I have noticed that.

Perhaps it's time for a 3rd party voting site where people can
democratically express their opinions and make suggestions? :¬)

With some mechanism to stop vote-farming, ideally. Don't know if such
things exist?

>>> I don't /care/ to have to look down or occasionally scroll
>>
>> I am not sure exactly what you intended here.
>>
>> Do you mean
>> "I don't care if I have to..." - as in, it does not matter to you? Or
>> "I do not care for searching and scrolling" - as in, you do not like
>> doing it?
>>
>> This use of "I do not care for..." is a little archaic now and can be tricky.
>
> A little pedantic, Liam. As an Usaian, I thought his meaning was
> perfectly clear, the second of your interpretations.

Really?

I know that Iggy here is not a native English speaker but his degree
of fluency is so high as to be amazing. This was a very /very/ rare
instance where I could not be sure what he meant.

Perhaps it is different to American perceptions as you have some
malformed idioms where a negative has been dropped, reversing the
meaning of a phrase in a way that USAnians seem not to notice.

The #1 example of this is "I could care less", which is a corruption
of "I couldn't care less".

"My leg is broken!" "I could care less." <- means you /do/ care
because you /could/ be less disturbed. This freaks me out every time I
encounter it; I have had to memorise a little rule, basically "If a
USAnian says 'I could care less' then they mean the opposite'."

I could not tell which Ignazio meant & rereading it in the light of
your comment I am still not sure. Because of the second qualifying
phrase, which is linked with a "but" as if to suggest that it counters
the first part of the sentence, I read it as follows:

"I don't really care if I have to scroll or search /but/ I still think
the design of the page is intended to deceive people or trick them
into paying".

You are reading it as:

"I don't care for scrolling or searching, and I still think the design
of the page is intended to trick people into paying" - more or less...
is that right?

Sounder/Bikeshed: making molehills into mountains for nearly a decade!

[Samuel Thurston]

On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Liam Proven <lpr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 26 November 2012 15:13, Samuel Thurston <sam.th...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 7:25 AM, Liam Proven <lpr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> <SNIP>
>>
>>>
>>> I think it was something I now have replaced with a smaller
>>> alternative that I get from www.ninite.com - perhaps AVG. I forget.
>>>
>>> It *is* a problem.
>>
>> Well, surely you can see the difference between a commercial product
>> hiding the link for their bait product and a company that has
>> contributed really only a tiny percentage of the code they're trying
>> to "sell".
>
> I guess so. Seems like quite a small difference to me, frankly. YMMV of course.
>
>> I just looked, and frankly I'm appalled at this shameless
>> cash grab from a "we promise it will always be free" company.
>
> It is a bit, um, well, blatant, but I think "appalled" is a bit strong. But hey.

I think that even the faintest appearance that one is obligated to pay
for GPL software for which you are not, in fact, obligated to pay, is
nothing short of dishonest grift, and utterly unforgivable unless
they're passing some (by which I mean almost all) of that ill-gotten
cash down to the many thousands of people who contributed to Linux,
Gnu userland, Gnome, and Debian for decades before Canonical came
along.

>
>> I surely don't blame them for trying to fund their efforts, but I
>> think this is a seriously egregious method of doing so.
>
> Pretty much agreed.
>
>> No wonder ol' SADFL seemed to be systematically banishing any internal
>> dissent over the last several years.
>
> Yeah, I have noticed that.
>
> Perhaps it's time for a 3rd party voting site where people can
> democratically express their opinions and make suggestions? :¬)

Little more than hand-wringing in the absence of any way to enforce
any of it. Mark continues with unpopular courses of action even when
faced with undeniable proof that its unpopular, simply because that's
how he is.

>
> With some mechanism to stop vote-farming, ideally. Don't know if such
> things exist?

Employing encryption and such it could be done, but kind of more
trouble than it's worth.

>
>>>> I don't /care/ to have to look down or occasionally scroll
>>>
>>> I am not sure exactly what you intended here.
>>>
>>> Do you mean
>>> "I don't care if I have to..." - as in, it does not matter to you? Or
>>> "I do not care for searching and scrolling" - as in, you do not like
>>> doing it?
>>>
>>> This use of "I do not care for..." is a little archaic now and can be tricky.
>>
>> A little pedantic, Liam. As an Usaian, I thought his meaning was
>> perfectly clear, the second of your interpretations.
>
> Really?
>
> I know that Iggy here is not a native English speaker but his degree
> of fluency is so high as to be amazing. This was a very /very/ rare
> instance where I could not be sure what he meant.
>
> Perhaps it is different to American perceptions as you have some
> malformed idioms where a negative has been dropped, reversing the
> meaning of a phrase in a way that USAnians seem not to notice.
>
> The #1 example of this is "I could care less", which is a corruption
> of "I couldn't care less".
>
> "My leg is broken!" "I could care less." <- means you /do/ care
> because you /could/ be less disturbed. This freaks me out every time I
> encounter it; I have had to memorise a little rule, basically "If a
> USAnian says 'I could care less' then they mean the opposite'."

Well, much as that is an "USAnian" way of speaking, it drives me
bonkers. There are a good many of us who can utilize the language
without leaving it bloody and sobbing in the gutter when we're done.

>
> I could not tell which Ignazio meant & rereading it in the light of
> your comment I am still not sure. Because of the second qualifying
> phrase, which is linked with a "but" as if to suggest that it counters
> the first part of the sentence, I read it as follows:
>
> "I don't really care if I have to scroll or search /but/ I still think
> the design of the page is intended to deceive people or trick them
> into paying".
>
> You are reading it as:
>
> "I don't care for scrolling or searching, and I still think the design
> of the page is intended to trick people into paying" - more or less...
> is that right?
>
> Sounder/Bikeshed: making molehills into mountains for nearly a decade!

Heh, agreed. I see how your interpretation works as well. I guess to
my mind the core of the statement is what comes after the "but", and
either interpretation of the "i don't care" clause works.

[Cybe R. Wizard]

On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:28:25 +0000
Liam Proven <lpr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> "My leg is broken!" "I could care less." <- means you /do/ care
> because you /could/ be less disturbed. This freaks me out every time I
> encounter it; I have had to memorise a little rule, basically "If a
> USAnian says 'I could care less' then they mean the opposite'."

Bigot! ;-]

What you mean is, "when I hear that phrase it means that the person
speaking it is ignorant and careless."

It does /NOT/ apply only to USians nor to all USians as should be
abundantly clear from reading this list.

BTW, it is, "Usians." Remember, it is Usians vs Themians.

;-}

Are /YOU/ a Themian?

Cybe R. Wizard
--
Nice computers don't go down.
Larry Niven, Steven Barnes
"The Barsoom Project"

[Cybe R. Wizard]

On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 10:13:57 -0600
Samuel Thurston <sam.th...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think that even the faintest appearance that one is obligated to pay
> for GPL software for which you are not, in fact, obligated to pay, is
> nothing short of dishonest grift, and utterly unforgivable unless
> they're passing some (by which I mean almost all) of that ill-gotten
> cash down to the many thousands of people who contributed to Linux,
> Gnu userland, Gnome, and Debian for decades before Canonical came
> along.

Fully agree. Ramen, brother, Ramen! ...dishonest grift.

[Ignazio Palmisano]

I thank you kindly sir.

Maybe I should have said I don't mind. What I mean is, I will find the link, snort for the little annoyance and note down /not/ to pay anything if I can avoid this - same as I do in airports that force you through a shop on your way to the gates, adverts at the cinema, and other petty attempts at lightening my wallet. But, for other users, the trap might be harder to spot.

I.

[Cybe R. Wizard]

On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 17:53:55 +0000
Ignazio Palmisano <ipalmisan...@gmail.com> wrote:

> for other users, the trap might be harder to
> spot.

Absolutely so. An honest attempt to pry money from GNUbies would have
been to say right up front (top) that, "Ubuntu has always been, is and
will remain free, but we ask for donations to fund..."

Hiding the link at the bottom is just wrong, IYAM. I also notice that
they have plenty of whitespace before the free link that, if
eliminated, would allow for the free link to show.

In addition, the placement just to the left of a large orange, "Pay
with PayPal," button seems a little obviously designed to promote
the ignoring of the (oddly also orange) link.

All that said, I certainly can't disparage the desire to earn money, if
only to pay developers. I just think it should be more open. As I am
not a PHB at Canonandonical, nor do I use their product, I can't bitch
too much.

Cybe R. Wizard -but I still do

[Ric Moore]

On 11/25/2012 04:44 PM, Ignazio Palmisano wrote:
> On 25 November 2012 21:01, Ric Moore <waywa...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> BTW, when you go to the Ubuntu page to download the ISO it is a shopping
>> cart! And, payment ~has~ to be made through paypal! Guess how much they got
>> off of me?? Now I'l have to wait until 2AM to re-install for the HughesNet
>> metered connection. Scruum, Ric
>
> Payment? you can still download it for free with the tiny link at the
> bottom. Shady practice they learned from airlines, I'd say.

Heh, that's exactly what I did ... with glee. :) Ric

[Ric Moore]

Sheet ... I never said I didn't get the dnload .. I just said guess how
much they made off of me? Had they allowed Visa, I MAY have made a
contribution.

Besides, I think I've been at this longer far than you. I don't BREAK
stuff often, ~not that I cannot fix~. But this one has me stumped. I
haven't re-installed clean as I am determined to fix it. Then, I'll know
something more about apt than I did before.

There must be a database, somewhere, that has a corrupted entry. There
is no duplicate error in /etc/apt/sources.list. So, something erroneous
is stored somewhere else that refuses to go away because of it's
corruption of the database.

And, it managed to carry over via release upgrade made using the install
CD. Ric

[Liam Proven]

On 26 November 2012 16:13, Samuel Thurston <sam.th...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I think that even the faintest appearance that one is obligated to pay
> for GPL software for which you are not, in fact, obligated to pay, is
> nothing short of dishonest grift, and utterly unforgivable unless
> they're passing some (by which I mean almost all) of that ill-gotten
> cash down to the many thousands of people who contributed to Linux,
> Gnu userland, Gnome, and Debian for decades before Canonical came
> along.

OK, good point, well made.

> Little more than hand-wringing in the absence of any way to enforce
> any of it. Mark continues with unpopular courses of action even when
> faced with undeniable proof that its unpopular, simply because that's
> how he is.

True enough.

TBH between the they're-not-ads-honest in the Unity Lenses and the
buy-your-ISO-file-here very-nearly-a-scam, it strikes me that they
must be getting pretty desperate to raise some revenues.

I guess the paid support is not working out.

>> With some mechanism to stop vote-farming, ideally. Don't know if such
>> things exist?
>
> Employing encryption and such it could be done, but kind of more
> trouble than it's worth.

Surely there must be existing methods for doing this? Online polls are
hardly rare...

> Well, much as that is an "USAnian" way of speaking, it drives me
> bonkers. There are a good many of us who can utilize the language
> without leaving it bloody and sobbing in the gutter when we're done.

You have no idea how glad I am hear you say that.

> Heh, agreed. I see how your interpretation works as well. I guess to
> my mind the core of the statement is what comes after the "but", and
> either interpretation of the "i don't care" clause works.

Fair enough.

[Liam Proven]

On 26 November 2012 17:18, Cybe R. Wizard <cybe_r...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:28:25 +0000
> Liam Proven <lpr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "My leg is broken!" "I could care less." <- means you /do/ care
>> because you /could/ be less disturbed. This freaks me out every time I
>> encounter it; I have had to memorise a little rule, basically "If a
>> USAnian says 'I could care less' then they mean the opposite'."
>
> Bigot! ;-]
>
> What you mean is, "when I hear that phrase it means that the person
> speaking it is ignorant and careless."
>
> It does /NOT/ apply only to USians nor to all USians as should be
> abundantly clear from reading this list.

Very glad to hear it.

> BTW, it is, "Usians." Remember, it is Usians vs Themians.
>
> ;-}

But sir, please sir, Scott said "Usanians".

> Are /YOU/ a Themian?

I guess I must be...

[Liam Proven]

On 26 November 2012 17:53, Ignazio Palmisano

<ipalmisan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I thank you kindly sir.

Any time, bro.

> Maybe I should have said I don't mind. What I mean is, I will find the link,
> snort for the little annoyance and note down /not/ to pay anything if I can
> avoid this - same as I do in airports that force you through a shop on your
> way to the gates, adverts at the cinema, and other petty attempts at
> lightening my wallet. But, for other users, the trap might be harder to
> spot.

OK, alles klar.

[Ignazio Palmisano]

On 26 November 2012 23:48, Liam Proven <lpr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 26 November 2012 17:53, Ignazio Palmisano
> <ipalmisan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I thank you kindly sir.
>
> Any time, bro.
>
>> Maybe I should have said I don't mind. What I mean is, I will find the link,
>> snort for the little annoyance and note down /not/ to pay anything if I can
>> avoid this - same as I do in airports that force you through a shop on your
>> way to the gates, adverts at the cinema, and other petty attempts at
>> lightening my wallet. But, for other users, the trap might be harder to
>> spot.
>
> OK, alles klar.

sprachen Sie Deutsch? 'cuz I don't :-P
I.

[Liam Proven]

On 26 November 2012 18:12, Cybe R. Wizard <cybe_r...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 17:53:55 +0000
> Ignazio Palmisano <ipalmisan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> for other users, the trap might be harder to
>> spot.
>
> Absolutely so. An honest attempt to pry money from GNUbies would have
> been to say right up front (top) that, "Ubuntu has always been, is and
> will remain free, but we ask for donations to fund..."

Agreed.

> Hiding the link at the bottom is just wrong, IYAM. I also notice that
> they have plenty of whitespace before the free link that, if
> eliminated, would allow for the free link to show.

True.

> In addition, the placement just to the left of a large orange, "Pay
> with PayPal," button seems a little obviously designed to promote
> the ignoring of the (oddly also orange) link.

Also true.

> All that said, I certainly can't disparage the desire to earn money, if
> only to pay developers. I just think it should be more open. As I am
> not a PHB at Canonandonical, nor do I use their product, I can't bitch
> too much.

The inclination to move Debianwards is growing here too, I must admit.

Perhaps I will reconsider my "Ubuntu GNUstep Remix" plan and make it a
"Debian GNUstep edition".

This is on the way to my "GoboLinux with ROX-desktop" metadistro, of course...

[Liam Proven]

On 26 November 2012 20:12, Ric Moore <waywa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Sheet ... I never said I didn't get the dnload .. I just said guess how much
> they made off of me? Had they allowed Visa, I MAY have made a contribution.

All right, give you that. :)

> Besides, I think I've been at this longer far than you.

Gee, grampaw, what was it like when you dropped all your punched cards
& got them shuffled up? :¬D

> I don't BREAK stuff
> often, ~not that I cannot fix~. But this one has me stumped. I haven't
> re-installed clean as I am determined to fix it. Then, I'll know something
> more about apt than I did before.
>
> There must be a database, somewhere, that has a corrupted entry. There is no
> duplicate error in /etc/apt/sources.list. So, something erroneous is stored
> somewhere else that refuses to go away because of it's corruption of the
> database.

You do know that there is a sources.list.d *directory* under /etc/apt
now, with multiple separate *.list files in it, *as well* as
/etc/apt/sources.list?

[Liam Proven]

On 26 November 2012 23:49, Ignazio Palmisano

<ipalmisan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 26 November 2012 23:48, Liam Proven <lpr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 26 November 2012 17:53, Ignazio Palmisano
>> <ipalmisan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I thank you kindly sir.
>>
>> Any time, bro.
>>
>>> Maybe I should have said I don't mind. What I mean is, I will find the link,
>>> snort for the little annoyance and note down /not/ to pay anything if I can
>>> avoid this - same as I do in airports that force you through a shop on your
>>> way to the gates, adverts at the cinema, and other petty attempts at
>>> lightening my wallet. But, for other users, the trap might be harder to
>>> spot.
>>
>> OK, alles klar.
>
> sprachen Sie Deutsch? 'cuz I don't :-P

Kinda sortof a bit. More than I speak eye-tie, anyway!

I discovered while checking that phrase that I have been misspelling
it as "alles klär" for years... Oops.

[Cybe R. Wizard]

On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 23:46:33 +0000
Liam Proven <lpr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> But sir, please sir, Scott said "Usanians".

Well, we all /try/ to forgive the Lockwood foibles here. ;-]

[Cybe R. Wizard]

On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 18:16:51 -0600

"Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 23:46:33 +0000
> Liam Proven <lpr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > But sir, please sir, Scott said "Usanians".
>
> Well, we all /try/ to forgive the Lockwood foibles here. ;-]
>
> Cybe

Something about this kept nagging at the back of my mind. I've checked
back and can't find an instance of Scott participating in this thread.
Have I deleted something inadvertently? Are we mis-attributing?

Nagged minds want to know.

[Ric Moore]

On 11/26/2012 06:53 PM, Liam Proven wrote:
> On 26 November 2012 20:12, Ric Moore <waywa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Sheet ... I never said I didn't get the dnload .. I just said guess how much
>> they made off of me? Had they allowed Visa, I MAY have made a contribution.
>

> All right, give you that. :)

I have this long standing grudge with PayPal from the time they tried to
empty my back account. They ran the same invoice through 4 times,
draining my balance, which only stopped them from running it through
again as there were more demands for payment pending. Then, it took
weeks for them to undo the damage that they admitted was their fault.
They drained me dry in seconds, but were slower than hell to put it back.

>> Besides, I think I've been at this longer far than you.
>
> Gee, grampaw, what was it like when you dropped all your punched cards

> & got them shuffled up? :�D

I did manage to corrupt my IMSAI 8" floppy system boot disks negligently
leaving them in the #$%^& drive when I powered off. Damn drive head
would send a dying spark and blast the 0,0 sector every time. Luckily we
had a wily Vietnam vet in town that could write the proper value back
with his 8" drive in his Cromenco. That cost me many six-packs. The days
of oscilloscopes and diagnostic techs that can use them, and a soldering
iron, are long gone.

>
>> I don't BREAK stuff
>> often, ~not that I cannot fix~. But this one has me stumped. I haven't
>> re-installed clean as I am determined to fix it. Then, I'll know something
>> more about apt than I did before.
>>
>> There must be a database, somewhere, that has a corrupted entry. There is no
>> duplicate error in /etc/apt/sources.list. So, something erroneous is stored
>> somewhere else that refuses to go away because of it's corruption of the
>> database.
>
> You do know that there is a sources.list.d *directory* under /etc/apt
> now, with multiple separate *.list files in it, *as well* as
> /etc/apt/sources.list?

Oh, horse pucky!!! Damn directory held two enties, one marked "partial"
for the java ppa. I got brave and deleted them both. apt-get update
worked a charm.

Liam, I doff my cap, curtsy and bow low. Thanks! I learned.

Someone just shoot me... I'm getting older than I think I am, and that
is just damn pitiful. Thanks to Michael, I'm watching Japanese anime
where some highschool boy sees highschool girl's underpants when the
wind blows. All I can say is it's a good thing that when I was 18 that I
didn't know what I know now. I would have been dangerous.
"Junpei Manaka is a third-year middle school student who dreams of
becoming a filmmaker. One day, on the school�s rooftop, he sees a
beautiful girl wearing strawberry panties and falls in love."

Who thinks of this stuff? Ha! Come to think of it, if I had the talent,
I guess I would. <huge cackling howls> Ric

p/s Michael! Forget that online game biz. Start Texas anime, with Texan
Highschool Cowboys who see Texan Highschool Cowgirls underwear when the
wind blows ...which it does all the time down there. Mention football
and chicken fried steak too. You'll get stinking rich! (if they don't
lock you up) :)

p/p/s First plot. Evil highschool boys from Louisiana sneak bovine milk
production hormones into chicken fry batter and all the highschool girls
sprout g sized cups overnight. Adventure ensues when the boys do too and
can't pass a football, ...nor stop playing with themselves. Name it:
"Texas Saw Mill Cream Gravy Massacre"! You'll get stinkin' rich. Hey! I
might be good at this!! Hire me! :)

[Liam Proven]

On 27 November 2012 02:14, Cybe R. Wizard <cybe_r...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 18:16:51 -0600
> "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 23:46:33 +0000
>> Liam Proven <lpr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > But sir, please sir, Scott said "Usanians".
>>
>> Well, we all /try/ to forgive the Lockwood foibles here. ;-]
>>
>> Cybe
>
> Something about this kept nagging at the back of my mind. I've checked
> back and can't find an instance of Scott participating in this thread.
> Have I deleted something inadvertently? Are we mis-attributing?
>
> Nagged minds want to know.

My error. I have confused Samuel with Scott. Sorry to all concerned. :(

[Cybe R. Wizard]

On Tue, 27 Nov 2012 09:37:13 +0000

Liam Proven <lpr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 27 November 2012 02:14, Cybe R. Wizard
> <cybe_r...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 18:16:51 -0600
> > "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 23:46:33 +0000
> >> Liam Proven <lpr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > But sir, please sir, Scott said "Usanians".
> >>
> >> Well, we all /try/ to forgive the Lockwood foibles here. ;-]
> >>
> >> Cybe
> >
> > Something about this kept nagging at the back of my mind. I've
> > checked back and can't find an instance of Scott participating in
> > this thread. Have I deleted something inadvertently? Are we
> > mis-attributing?
> >
> > Nagged minds want to know.
>
> My error. I have confused Samuel with Scott. Sorry to all
> concerned. :(
>

Thank you, sir! I am greatly now relieved.

[Samuel Thurston]

On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 3:37 AM, Liam Proven <lpr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 27 November 2012 02:14, Cybe R. Wizard <cybe_r...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 18:16:51 -0600
>> "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 23:46:33 +0000
>>> Liam Proven <lpr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > But sir, please sir, Scott said "Usanians".
>>>
>>> Well, we all /try/ to forgive the Lockwood foibles here. ;-]
>>>
>>> Cybe
>>
>> Something about this kept nagging at the back of my mind. I've checked
>> back and can't find an instance of Scott participating in this thread.
>> Have I deleted something inadvertently? Are we mis-attributing?
>>
>> Nagged minds want to know.
>
> My error. I have confused Samuel with Scott. Sorry to all concerned. :(
>

Happens all the time. Used to think it was just my face...

[Liam Proven]

[Embarrassed]

American, begins with S, hell, close enough. To quote Robin Williams:
*gunshot* "aw, shit, sorry Bob. Looked like a bear!"