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*my jan 29 to feb 11, 2016 comments in sir shree nagendra s rao avarugaLu
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*our many thanks, namaskaars-praNaams and best wishes to sir shree nagendra
s rao avarugaLu ji sir and family and to all. please, keep up the good
work.*


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<https://www.facebook.com/thirumalaraya.halemane?rc=p> here is an attempt
at some general thoughts, guesses, opinions, perspectives, about various
religions etc. I take the view that sanatana hindu dharma can develop a
better or fuller understanding of all philosophies, and "isms", even all
fields of human knowledge or experience or effort etc, whether worldly or
spiritual or with any type of objectives. Buddha or Buddhism is about
dharma, about meditation, mind, good ethics etc and since it originated in
hindu society, as practiced in india at least, essentially as part of or as
parallel to hindu traditions with special focus and attention to certain
aspects of mind and body, not focusing much on aatma, paramaathma or
divinity etc one might say. but there is belief in re-birth etc, for
example, in selection of dalai lama, they look for re-incarnation of the
saintly soul etc ??? from Hinduism point of view, it is a part or another
path, set of teachings by another mahaa purusha etc. exploring and
developing the mind-body interaction or connection in very specialized ways
led to martial arts techniques etc, kshathriya warrior style, somewhat
different than the satwik style or holy aspects of the saintly and wise
among them ?????
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<https://www.facebook.com/thirumalaraya.halemane?rc=p> it must be possible
to similarly analyze or assess various other philosophies, religions, isms,
etc, from the view point of dharma shastras, and evaluate how they work,
project what would be their impact etc, including Christianity, communism,
capitalism, and so on. ?????
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<https://www.facebook.com/thirumalaraya.halemane?rc=p> islam has to be
viewed from a different angle. ignoring the corruptions and abuses etc, and
focusing on the philosophy / purpose / practice, it is about pursuing
power, order etc with aggressive philosophy with total obedience and
surrender to god with certain strict outlooks, rules, laws which involve
also male domination and female co-operation with it. so, it is more like
vaamaachaara tantra in hindu traditions. we may perhaps say that with
intense prayers and invoking god, Shakti is channeled and used in a very
specific, even violent way, to make the Islamic insiders into a strong
force, very formidable or hard to beat, and directed against the
non-Islamic outsiders to subdue them. but for success of tantra, if it is
not about enhancing dharma, there will be a price to pay, as we can deduce
from hindu shastras ??????
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Greatness of any Individual who is interested in Meditation should realise
The Happening of Meditation is nothing but Deeper Experience of
Consciousness. Many people think Meditation should be done by practice &
Concentration but if we are all straight to the lines of our Character and
Remain Transparent to the World then nothing we required as Technique.
Observation, awareness & Alertness to our surroundings is equal to Any
levels of Meditation...
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<https://www.facebook.com/thirumalaraya.halemane?fref=ufi&rc=p> yes, it is
a good, bold article and points to the challenges hindus have been facing
in the west, also in india. hats off to the author. but things have been
improving at rapid pace in recent years, and we hope and pray that the
forward motion, positive transformation continues, regarding these and
other related matters. best wishes. aummmmm........
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Ganeshanand Chris Lane <https://www.facebook.com/cwarrenlane?fref=ufi&rc=p> I
must admit, being a white American adherent of Sanatana Dharma is
challenging at times. We are sometimes ostracized by Abrahamics and too
often not accepted by Indian born Hindus living in the West. Yet we are
lovingly embraced by Hindus living in India....
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Chris Lane <https://www.facebook.com/cwarrenlane?hc_location=ufi> Sir,
there are two very valid reasons why you may not have been readily accepted
by Indian born Hindus living in the West.

It is not so much you as a person, but your genre.

I have lived for over 45 years in the US since coming here for my grad
studies. Over the decades I have observed quite a few perversions, some
mild, others gross of Hinduism nee Sanatana Dharma by so-called professing
western Hindus. Their actions, I should really say antics have no
relationship to any extant Sanatana Dharma sampradaya or parampara, i.e.
lineage and tradition. To add insult to injury, they have gone about
explaining to the understandably ignorant mainstream US public that their
opinions and characterizations are authentic.

Second, there is the cabal of self-opinionated ersatz Hindu experts who
infest US academe, particularly the Ivy League, Chicago, Emory, Stanford
et.al. People like Wendy Doniger at Chicago, Michael Witzel at Harvard, and
Paul Courtright at Emory have been guilty of gross perversions and
misrepresentations of traditional Hinduism, bordering on the obscene.

Hindus in India have not sent or experienced the misrepresentations and
perversions that we have seen in Western Hindus. Hence they are more likely
to be accepting.

Until recently there have been VERY FEW authentic and classically learned
and informed western Hindus like Keshav Fulbrook
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more informed about the faith he has adopted than many or most born to it.
It is a pleasure to see his informed postings, even if I have marginal
differences of opinion.

The good news is that both mainstream Americans who have seriously adopted
Hinduism have grown and matured, and emigre Hindus less knee jerk in their
rejection of Western Hindus.

Over the decades the dualistic Vaishnava ISKCON or Hare Krishnas have done
much to enhance the image of Western Hindus with their discipline, and
rigor in daily practice despite some initial missteps. And yes, on the
Shaivite side there is the beautiful and recondite Kauai Aadheenam American
Southern Saivism monks and their now world renowned Hinduism Today monthly
/ bi-monthly?

Going forward I think the prognosis is all positive. No one really expects
Western Hinduism to be an exact clone of Sanatana Dharma in India, nor
should it be.

Unlike Judaism, Christianity and Islam, Hinduism has virtually no hard and
fast rules of any kind. It is the ultimate adaptive, living, growing faith
and culture.

I trust this explanation is somewhat helpful.
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points, I too, have observed.... Yet much of the discrimination and
prejudice seems deeper than that of merely jaded people....
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remember distinctly well, that during the last few days of our grandmother
and right after she passed away, the cows were seen to shed tears . . .
these cows were loved very much by her, and probably they loved her too
equally intensely . . .
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you have just independently confirmed as a layman what Sadhguru has said.
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<https://www.facebook.com/thirumalaraya.halemane?rc=p> apart from the deep,
profound concept of holy cow shree gOmaatha ji worship which is
misunderstood, abused and targeted, there is also the issue of bali /
sacrifice etc, in certain special hindu tradition practices, now mostly in
the past only, which are connected with gaining power or advantage over
others, usually, whether justified like in self-defense or not, which are
often held against hindus in discussions for re-inforcing their inferiority
feelings etc in political or propaganda ways. it is also well-known that
such practices were there, for similar reasons, in other cultures and
religions also, Chinese and European included, they may or may not work or
be helpful depending on specific contexts etc for attaining the objectives
being sought. and, may also be associated with paapa and crime, very
unlikely except in some special cases may be meritorious work or puNya
kaarya or dharma. there is no reason why hindus should feel guilty when
some anti-hindus may be trying to push it down our throats to instill guilt
complex, inferiority. perhaps some experts can say more about these matters
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Though I really wish you wrote in paras rather than like the traditional
bull urinating while walking.
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Halemane -- u seem to share a vast number of Hindus' misunderstanding of &
prejudice against balidaan. smile emoticon the "aim" that you think the
ritual of sacrifice has, is absolutely not so. Yes, it has to do with
"power" or shakti -- ("bali" = "that which gives/ creates "bal" or
strength) "bali" means pertaining to "bal" -- the "karak" or verb form,
just like "kAli" is the verb-form of "kaal" (time). But not in the sense of
"advantage over others". Neither is bali a "thing of the past", it is very
much present and will continue to be so. it is a "thing of the past" only
as much as eating, being eaten, and dying to become one with the elements
is a "thing of the past" smile emoticon . the correct understanding leads
you to realize that bali is going on every nanosecond in the entire
universe and creation will come to and end if bali stops. As a living
organism, (and therefore as an individual manifestation of shakti/
prakriti) you take bali from birth till death and you will become bali to
time and nature. ppl dont recognize that all that is bali, since they are
taught to see only the ritualized sacrifice before an image as bali. that
is just the ritual enactment of the real bali that goes on non-stop for
ever. Adyashakti as Mother Nature (prakriti) continuously is continuing and
sustaining herself -- as the consumers that are all life forms , and
herself as all food matter -- plant, animal or otherwise. THAT is bali.
whenever you take ANY food, you take bali, as her individual expression.
when you become "food" in time, you will become bali. this understanding is
necessary, it is only due to lack of the correct understanding and
perspective that average hindus feel cornered when hindu balidaan is
mentioned by non-hindus. bali is nothing to "hold against" hindus --on the
contrary it is just another of the many proofs of just how science-oriented
and scientific in outlook our tradition is. those who use it to browbeat
hindus, and those hindus who feel cornered and apologetic -- are both
equally uneducated and ignorant.
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course, you deserve a medal for having the good sense and the patience here
and in other places in your interactions with me. many thanks for all your
help. our many thanks, namaskaars-praNaams and best wishes to you and
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<https://www.facebook.com/thirumalaraya.halemane?fref=ufi&rc=p> dear shree
jit majumdar sir, okay, no problem, thanks a lot for your valuable input,
explaining bali very nicely, including word meaning, how it applies to
everyday eating also, in addition to offerings to god / goddess etc, vast
topic, I guess, most of us are not familiar with it, and know only the
anti-hindu propaganda regarding it, perhaps including manufactured negative
news incidents also possible ??? so, more details, further relevant,
correct, info is very welcome, very desirable. I have read / heard
elsewhere eating is yajna, Narayana / god is there in digestive fire
jaTaraagni ..... ??? from your writing, there is hindus can be or need to
be comfortable with having been sacrificed, balidaan, in past history,
including in wars, famines, riots etc, just like they need to be
comfortable with sacrificial offerings made in rituals / temples etc ???
nothing to be ashamed about. okay. no problem. many thanks for your help.
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is another comment I lifted from a different post, looking at Gandhi,
godse, other Indians / hindus / muslims killed in riots etc, we can also
include soldiers killed in world wars etc, as sacrificial offerings at the
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Harpreet Singh Pahwa Godse was a great person.

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Thirumala Raya Halemane dear shree harpreet singh pahwa ji sir, if you like
sympathetic terminology, in some sense, we can say he, godse, was a bali
pashu, sacrifice, made by hidden forces for enhancing their own power, by
manufacturing a martyr for one side of the divide, for psychological
divide-and-rule over muslims and hindus also over Brahmins, of india.
similarly mahatma Gandhi assassination making him a martyr and peace icon,
also was a human sacrifice, bali pashu, at the altar of secular colonial
inherited power in delhi india govt, to enable them to continue british
style rule with brown sahebs mentally conditioned by the british legacy and
hindu dharma inferiority. further, the millions of hindus and muslims who
lost their lives also can be considered as human sacrifice bali pashu at
the same inherited altars of power in Pakistan and india, also their super
power altar in London looking down upon both. are sacrificed humans or
animals great ????? may be. or, at least, we need to have sympathy for
them, for their situation, for willingness and co-operation or
participation in the act or drama played at their expense ??????? what do
you say ??????????? sorry, if I am hurting your pro-godse sentiments. godse
seems to have been an agent, a soldier, a hidden tool in the bag of the
british colonial govt, a weapon to do damage in the name of doing good.
raama. raama.

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Addy Pundit <https://www.facebook.com/PunditAddy?fref=ufi&rc=p> Here is my
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its admirers north of the Vindhyas, the city elites in places such as
Delhi, Mumbai and Kolkata ridicule it. Born and raised in Delhi and UP, I
know the reason why - dark skinned, shirtless, dhoti wearing south Indians
are an object of amusement at best. I'm yet to meet someone north of the
Vindhyas who doesn't break into a smile while watching Kalari. Even the
word Kalarpayittu is labourious to pronounce for them, while they will try
and speak French and German words without breaking into a sweat. I live in
NZ where I have watched countless times (and admittedly enjoyed) some of
these Delhi and Mumbai elite women make fools of themselves speaking their
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point is Kalaripayittu will never be popular in the cow belt and the main
cities where karate and judo are fashionable.
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Govt were to support it, then it will only happen after WB like Jihad is
supported by Govt all over India. Govt should stay away from it. Cultural
Ministry should declare and celebrate this at best. Should send this reco
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agree with you.

I think you should write to the RSS in Keshav Kunj, Delhi. I am sure that
they will be receptive.

Also PM Modi's public email. I am told that it is closely monitored and
delivers results, but I have no personal experience.
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non-governmental agencies (I didn't want to say parties, but I mean
entities) in spreading the art may be better than involving the government.
The latter route always complicates things, takes away some of the time and
resources in circumventing red tape and such. RSS seems a great source.
Their daily routine anyway includes physical exercise. Elements of
Kalarippayattu may be gradually introduced in stages into their routine.
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the loss of Nati sampradya cause of demise of these art forms in most part
of India? They do still exist in Rajasthan but are very subdued and
thinning by the day.
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with the British- India arms act of 1876 that prohibited on terms of strict
punishment Indians from owning arms. Except the Sikhs and Gorkhas who on
account of helping the Brits in the 1857 campaign and the Coorgis who
helped them subdue Tipu, right to carry arms and train with them were
declared illegal in the rest of India. The same applied to the Nairs,
ezhavas,moplahs, etc of Kerala but the art form lingered on fortunately as
Ayurveda and the martial art were closely linked here unlike other parts of
India.
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usually inspired or financed and targeted by foreign special interests,
ngos, media etc to push forward their own partisan or racial or such
causes, or for divide-and-rule etc, not always fully genuine concern. child
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the goal gets redefined as one moves forward . . . and it is alright even
if the move involves somewhat of a circuitous route . . . as long as it is
sustained by a sincere drive from deep within . . . and as long as the move
is not against the very ROOT which sustains it [that is the KEY]. . . that
is sanaatana-dharma . . . "mOkshakaamaarthadharma" . . .
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Rao -- contrary to ur hopes and expectations, Prabhupada has been
recognized pretty widely by now as the dogmatic loonie that he was, and
Vivekananda is steadily and surely getting there with the real man behind
the century-long propaganda, hagiography and myth-making being critically
analyzed and torn-down. ur last sentence indicates that neither have you
delved deep into these two personalities (and their writings/ speeches),
nor are you quite in a position to differentiate their post-colonial
reformist/revivalist 'neo-hinduism' from authentic agama-dharma or sanatana
dharma. that's why like any average contemporary hindu -- 2 of those
''going-to-america'' neo-hindu gurus who have done the maximum damage to
the self-understanding of hinduism by modern hindus (and the average
foreigner) are being 'admired' and seen as embodiments of ''passionate
conviction" by you. smile emoticon my suggestion -- start delving deeper
now, instead of going by mass consensus conceived and nourished by
institutionalized propaganda.
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Majumder <https://www.facebook.com/jit.majumder.94?hc_location=ufi> Sir, I
have seen a number of your postings where you talk through your hat on
matters where you don't know your elbow from your unmentionable.

You are supercilious, rude, crude, voluble and speak ex-cathedra on things
about which you are profoundly ignorant. And it shows all over the place.

I suggest that you do the same thing that you gave suggested to me. Get
your a**e in gear, and do some real study based on traditional Hindu
sampradaya and parampara, assuming you know the significance of such things
at all. It might, just might teach you a few things, but I am not
optimistic.

As Gratiano says in Shakespeare's Merchant of Venice, Act 1, Scene 1:

There are a sort of men, whose visages
Do cream and mantle like a standing pond;
And do a willful stillness entertain,
With purpose to be dress'd in an opinion
Of wisdom, gravity, profound conceit;
As who should say, I am Sir Oracle,
And when I ope my lips, let no dog bark!" Gratiano, Scene i

I do know of these,
That therefore only are reputed wise,
For saying nothing.

Gratiano, scene i

There are some who seem profound until they 'ope' their mouths. May Iswara
give you a modicum of true wisdom.

Hold your nose and do japa of Hare Krishna Mahamantra - 3 malas a day for 3
months, and I am not being facetious.

You may, just may get (a little) antahkaranashuddhi to delve into and
understand subtle metaphysical matters blissfully beyond your ken at
present. Regrettable I agree, but then such is purva janma karma and iha
janma vatavarna.
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Jit Majumder <https://www.facebook.com/jit.majumder.94?fref=ufi&rc=p> Ur
polemical capacities are rather good, I am pleased to note. That is why I
have hope that you will use it to those ends that call for the same. I,
however, am immune to such attempts at "counter replies" where my point is
smoothly evaded and avoided and my alleged superciliousness, rudeness etc.
etc. are brought up out of context. I too am recalling verses from
Shakespeare, among others right now, but I will just leave it there. and
about hare krishna mahamantra -- i doubt whether u could do so if I had
asked you to present its real esoteric interpretation. believe me you
couldn't be facetious here, even if you wanted to. though ur polemical
capacities are good as i said, one minus point u need to take care of --
you must cultivate the habit of avoiding summary conclusions about
someone's strong basics (or its absence) when it comes to sampradaya,
parampara, metaphysics, antakaranasuddhi, and one's overall 'ken' -- when
you had been connected with him just a couple of days back, and when you
are yet to have any 1-on-1 interaction with him yet . wink emoticon. once u
make it a habit to wait till u have known the person reasonably well before
summary conclusions, u will be good to go, as far as cyber warfare goes.
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accusations. I am a native bengali. i know prabhupada and vivekananda thru
their own works -- all of them -- and also other primary sources. yes
though their own works -- whether writings or speeches -- are in english ,
there are quite some primary sources that are necessary to know them
correctly that are not in english. knowing them thru those primary sources
is something you have not managed, not having access to those sources in
the original. the average indian/ hindu doesnt. so let me repeat once gain
that both were and are harmful and misleading, both are fake, both (esp.
vivekananda) are over glorified, over-glamorized false idols. so again, u
might want to delve deeper into primary sources, and ignore the
mass-consensus created and nourished by institutionalized propaganda. that
was a plain and simple suggestion -- far from a display of my alleged
rudeness or crudeness. even when it comes to the average modern hindu -- a
large, large number of people are more or less, to varying degrees aware of
the truth about rk mission and iskcon. with ur exemplary antahkaranasuddhi
and real study -- you shud have the same degree and nature of awareness
about the history and nature of these two institutions, and the false idols
they have created. that' is all there was to my earlier comment. pls
understand now -- with all that long and grandstanding comment of urs, u
really haven't proved me wrong, did not even really reply to my point. in a
proper rule-based debate on prabhupada or vivekananada I wud have urs or
anyone's head even before I got warmed up. pls consider saving the polemics
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The Congress governments for 65+ years since independence found Hindu
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issue. improvements needed. temples serve as focal centers of culture in
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mostly disappointing, with damaging or destructive impacts. so, fresh look
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Let us NEVER FORGET that for decades the tobacco industry produced
scientific reports that smoking was NOT bad for your health, and maybe was
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<https://www.facebook.com/thirumalaraya.halemane?rc=p> what it shows is
that vegetarians are under stress, and are perhaps reacting to their
environment of non-vegetarian supremacy in a victimized type fashion,
unable to fully cope with the higher group ego of the non-vegetarians. this
is similar to how say non-whites may behave in a racially mixed group or
majority white group, unsteady, reactive, not self-assured, even appear
arrogant etc. the whites may appear more calm, self-assured, even more
friendly and considerate. the race environment favors the whites. that's
the reason for the appearance as seen in the statistics. and, statistics is
not proof. it does not show the underlying reasons, other factors, how it
came to be so etc. in a different type of environment the behaviors are
likely to be different. ???? further, as a side note we can say that there
is not much meat / kill which a bare average human body can catch and eat
with his or her hands, feet, teeth. even insects, fish, small animals very
difficult to catch and / or bite ????? the research must have been done
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it have every right to call it for what it is, be it inhumane or whatever.
But to refute scientific 'conclusive studies' is akin to willfully
misleading oneself. Humans wouldn't have evolved to where we are today had
it not been for our meat eating ancestors.
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Raina <https://www.facebook.com/avi.raina.7?hc_location=ufi> Sir to
continue, "the onus to prove an argument rests on those who deny science
without supporting it with evidence".

This does upset me. We have to first determine what is REALLY science and
what is pseudo science or fantasy.

Until as recently as 15 or 20 years ago western medical so-called science
used to pooh pooh and run down the accepted fact today that the mind
influences the body and vice versa.

WESTERN SCIENCE thought that the mind and body were seperate hermetically
sealed systems. Charaka and Susruta and Ayurveda knew different some 2500+
years ago. angel emoticon devil emoticon smile emoticon
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Avi Raina <https://www.facebook.com/avi.raina.7?fref=ufi&rc=p> Nagendra
Jee, please don't be upset. I will respond to your questions as soon as I
can. My livelihood beckons my attention, but as soon as I can summon enough
time to respond adequately, I will not disappoint you, while my answer
may. smile
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Jee, so not to waste our time, can you first enlighten me about your
understanding of human evolution? This would help me to take forward this
thread objectively. Thanks!
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Devi Kalyan Mishra <https://www.facebook.com/devi.k.mishra?fref=ufi&rc=p> These
are reports on scientific research . Findings of research depends on
several factors like research methodology , sample selection , sample size
, type of study etc . There are also so many biases , so we shouldn't give
importance unless and until these results are validated .
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Kalyan Mishra Sir, well said.
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Kuntimaddi Sadananda <https://www.facebook.com/alwayshpy?fref=ufi&rc=p> Most
imortantly who funded this so-called research?.
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Kelly Leeper <https://www.facebook.com/kelly.leeper.3?fref=ufi&rc=p> I used
to be vegan and it really made me ill. My body is American and blood type O
so I should be eating meat but when doing alot of yoga and fasting I'm
vegetarian. Being vegan almost killed me so close to diabetes it wasn't
funny. It's very hard to enjoy sadhana when you're fat (if you include
hatha). So when I am doing sadhana I eat very little fish and chicken and
mostly beans and fruit. I go back and forth, keeps me in balance, healthy
and humble. I've never bragged about diet.
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Nagendra S. Rao <https://www.facebook.com/Nagendra.S.Rao?fref=ufi&rc=p> Kelly
Leeper, make haste slowly is the key. Your system has to be ready for
vegetarianism. In counter culture language, your vibes have to be light
before you can subsist on a purely vegetarian diet. Some can do it, and
others cannot depending on their vibratory rate. It helps if you are born
to a vegetarian culture since your body over generations and millennia has
made genetic adjustments.

I spent time in a monastery in India 36 years ago, where roughly 1/3 of the
acolytes were from the west, who came from a meat eating culture.

I observed that some had no trouble at all adjusting to a 100% vegetarian
diet. Others fell seriously sick on the same diet. Constitutions are
different.

Generally when you make significant progress in dhyana, automatically your
body and psyche begin to exist / vibrate at a higher level making it easier
to subsist on progressively lighter sustenance - vegetarian / vegan /
fruitarian and so forth.

Do it too soon, or without adequate preparation and seriously you can die
of malnutrition.

It seems to me that you have begun to do things right.

Good luck!
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Kelly Leeper <https://www.facebook.com/kelly.leeper.3?fref=ufi&rc=p> One
would think so. However my meditation and concentration were very good.
After doing 8-12 hours of yoga per day my Kundalini ascended and the 3rd
time I got a concussion so I had to stop doing so much yoga. I'm an old
soul. My Guru knows that too. But my genes are entirely meat eating so I
don't worry too much about diet. After 12 years of celibacy I finally dated
a tantric from india who was vegan and I was vegan again as well and I
started swelling up hut it was because his diet was fine for him but not
for me. There's huge unrealistic pressure from Indians to be vegetarian or
vegan and it does not suit all bodies. Even if one has samadhi. Even if one
has samadhi thru seeing the Divine Mother Kali and having darshan.
Everyone's belly and system will be different and thank god Ramakrishna
never held it against me. Ma always knows what a person can handle. If I
stick to the diet my genes were created for I can digest everything. I'm
high pitta natural secondary doha kappa but after Kundalini ascended vata
became deranged and I had to stop any pitta inducing sadhana (which I was
LOVING) so we all have our nature, our bodies and how they digest. One does
not have to be vegetarian to have God realisation. That's a huge false lie.
I proved that idea is wrong. Wisdom is knowing how to accept your nature
and feed it thr best foods acordingly, not to morph into another gene pool.
Being vegetarian isn't high or low. In this Yuga whay what a person eats
isn't anything to brag about but I see pride everywhere when it comes to
what people eat. They'll find any excuse to keep their ego even if it's
over something very basic and simple as food. They use ideals to beat
another person up saying they and rent pure or whatever. I've been around
the block in many lifetimes so many times it's usually a topic I don't
engage in because I know the Divine Mother and as Kundalini will move if
you do the right things. Ones purity has little to do with the body. We are
not our bodies. That's the bottom line as sweetly as I can put it, we are
not the body or thr mind but Ma does what she wants. My own experience has
blown alot of untruths that are accepted as truths out of the water. This
is why my guru (who is enlightened, knower of Brahman) said I can eat
anything I want. It doesn't effect my practice or the experience of God.

It's very sad to see people destroying their bodies over an ideal when it's
bhakti that makes al the difference. God listens to all and reveals herself
to the pure even if they were raised on beef. God can blast thru any belief
system and prove it wrong when the time is right. It's all Ma's doing
anyway. And so many humans think they know more than the Divine Mother
Herself. Never. She's a trickster.

So I go back n forth between me eat and vegetarianism. If I do alot of
sadhana I eat less but then if I need to do more work I eat meat. My ego
can't attach either way. For my nature/dosha it's best to have meat. Part
of self knowledge is learning to listen to yourself and experimenting. Most
don't experiment because they are so afraid of their neighbors putting them
down (in Hindu circles) I don't worry about it anymore. There are more
pressing issues in sadhana than food.
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balanced food matter...I am vegetarian all my life...had boarder line
sugar. the key is balancing carb and protein. I reduce rice, wheat and more
on dal/lentils and veggies. either carb+veggies or lentils soup/dal
+veggies. It is fine now.
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Leeper <https://www.facebook.com/kelly.leeper.3?hc_location=ufi> If I may
be so bold as to say so, you seem to have read or been taught many
incorrect things about the life and search spiritual.

At least in the Hindus sastras nowhere has it been said that one has to be
vegetarian for Realization or Atma Sakshatkara.

In fact the Mahabharata also known as the 5th Veda, has the story of the
realized Dharma Vyadha or butcher who had attained Sakshatkara.

However yes, Hinduism does STRONGLY encourage a vegetarian diet as helpful
for a spiritual life. THAT IS A FACT. It does not mean that a
non-vegetarian cannot be an advanced spiritual person or even one who has
achieved Wisdom.

"This is why my guru (who is enlightened, knower of Brahman) said I can eat
anything I want. It doesn't effect my practice or the experience of God".

Now your Guru may be an enlightened Brahmajnani or not. I will not comment
on that. It is ultimately a matter of community acclamation since there is
and can be no objective test or proof. However, he cannot have, should not
have made such a blanked categoric statement for all people.

If his observation was meant only for you, of course it is valid. All these
things are based on purva janma samskara.

Shambhave Namah
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Kelly Leeper <https://www.facebook.com/kelly.leeper.3?fref=ufi&rc=p> Right.
It was meant only for me.

No I don't read scripture. I just do sadhana and keep it real simple. I'm
going from what americans in general assume. So many American yogis tell
people one goes with the other. It's all implied that there is no
enlightenment if you are not vegetarian. I've been around alot of purists.
The Ramakrishna Order of India is big on purity and many Americans try to
have a diet like Ramakrishna and get diabetes by 25. They think one goes
with the other and to some degree it does help. I can attest to that. But
many give a guilt trip or feel guilty if they would do better eating fish
or chicken. They think it's a spiritual death sentence but it's more dogma
than anything.

Yes, he's a Brahmanjnani. I know it and many others do too. He's very rare.
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Kelly Leeper <https://www.facebook.com/kelly.leeper.3?fref=ufi&rc=p> I can
only say what i do for myself is right for me spiritually. My Guru knows my
experiences and has had them validated. I'm certain his were as well. It's
not uncommon for extremely spiritually inclined souls to only care about
God and go straight up the mountain and not care much about reading
scripture. It's all found in the sadhana.
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Sunil Bendale <https://www.facebook.com/sunil.bendale.7?fref=ufi&rc=p> Title
actually translates to," Non vegetarians are conformists and vegetarians
are non-conformists " !! Same as ,"Abrahamic religions are conformists and
Sanatan Dharma is non-conformist" !!
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Vikram K Singh <https://www.facebook.com/vikramk.singh.54?fref=ufi&rc=p> When
people love to follow Assholes who publish column in media ..... they
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shit European countries eat even raw flesh. Most of the dangerous virus's
origin are from that part only.
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Kelly Leeper <https://www.facebook.com/kelly.leeper.3?fref=ufi&rc=p> I've
witnessed alot of unstable vegetarians. They fly off the handle easy and
have strange bouts of narcissistic arrogance. When a devotee found out I
ate fish she cried really hard. It's nothing to cry over. If you can find a
truely humble vegetarian you're lucky.
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had no history of these many diabetes and cardiac arrest but see what is
happening...............and India is still away from Brain disorders and
memory disorders like that of west .........We all know 40 out of 100 60+
persons in west have mental disorders................WHAT ABOUT INDIAN AGED
PERSONS...........THERE ARE MORE MENTALLY STRONG THAN US..
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for them who ever did the research. I am sure in a few years like Coffee
someone will come up with a new study saying it is bad for you and then a
few years later someone else will come up with a study that says it is bad
for you. What does it matter? Being vegetarian is a personal choice. Eating
meat is also a personal choice. I could not put anything with blood in it
in my mouth.
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extra-vegetarians,
too -- it must be remembered -- put food "with blood in it" in their mouth
only as much as "veg-eater-IANS" put food with soil, dirt, pesticide roots,
seeds and fungus in their mouth. till date I have not seen "vegetarians"
pull potatoes or spinach or radishes out of the ground and start munching
on them straightaway. or go grazing when they come across green pastures
alongside the highway. but I have always seen "meat-eaters" prepare,
process, wash, and cook before they eat their meat. at which stage it is
invariably bloodless. "vegetarians" -- esp. those who did not convert
volutarily at a grown up age, but those who are 'veg' only bcoz they had
been conditioned to be so from birth via customs/ superstitions have a lot
of obnoxious habits. but among those I think the most obnoxious and
offensive is the habit of alluding to animal food as "dead bodies" ,
"corpse", "food with blood", and so on. the more one observes such ppl the
more one comes to this conclusion that conditioned-from-birth "veg" ppl are
very resentful and dissatisfied ppl. they suffer from cognitive dissonance
due to the fact that they have been straitjacketed and conditioned lifelong
from being able to do normally what other ppl can do - taste and enjoy all
kinds of food - without any superstition fed into their subconscious. so
they act out by taking out their frustration of being inside this
psychological prison/ straitjacket towards the normal majority in such
manner.
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pseudoscience attributes to vegetarians seems to be your reassurance about
your eating habits..
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Mradula Gohil <https://www.facebook.com/mradula.gohil?fref=ufi&rc=p> Oh I
sincerely apologise. It was under my comment and I thought they were. You
must be careful how you address your comments. It should not offend someone
else personally. I apologise once again.
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need for apology. I guessed so. it was under ur comment since it was in
*reply* to ur points, but not directed *at* you, or any specific
individual.....
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Kelly Leeper <https://www.facebook.com/kelly.leeper.3?fref=ufi&rc=p> Jit
Majumder I agree there's alot of imbalance and arrogance from vegetarian
folks. Not all. Some know better but many will use it as a sword to be
violent to another. I've seen more violent vegetarians with their tongues
than some meat eaters.
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Vegetarians
cannot be violent. They do not eat meat because they are not violent
towards another being. Strange comments here.
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Leeper -- yes, true. and India is that place where one will come across
violent, dogmatic judgmental and often totally maladjusted "vegetarians"
most often. when u make anything into a 'dogma' an 'ism', and specially
when that dogma is not based on the natural, spontaneous way of being, but
the result of psychological conditioning and indoctrination (like being
"vegetarian") -- intolerance and violence becomes inevitable today or
tomorrow. the comment immediately above this one -- by Mradula Gohil -- is
a perfect instance of this maladjustment vis-a-vis the rest of the world,
and an example of unnatural contrived "logic" that "veg-eatarians"
regularly regurgitate -- since they dont eat animals, they "cannot be"
violent. and eating meat = "violence".
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Majumdar I wish you would spell my name correctly. I dont care what your
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university is in Austria (If I am not wrong) where 20% of total land (Total
83,850 Sqr Km) is suitable for cultivation which isn’t enough for total
population 8.34 mln. So they import the foods. If the population growth
(0.5%) add with this what will be the food source for next generation?? No
way but to go for easiest way meat/beef.....So definitely this report
generated intentionally to find out the way when most of the people at
present world preferring vegetable.
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Their
next research should be if cannibals are better than other carnivores and
they can eat each other as test subjects
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<https://www.facebook.com/narasimhan.raghavan.94?fref=ufi&rc=p> Disgusting.
If this were true then how do most of the brahmins live beyond 80+. Infact
most of our vegetarian ancestors lived for 100 years.
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Jit Majumder <https://www.facebook.com/jit.majumder.94?fref=ufi&rc=p> The
argument is fallacious, I am afraid. ppl favored or bought out by big and
influential tobacco companies in their heydays making claims about tobacco
not being harmful while wearing a white lab coat & carrying degrees before
their names, does not make the truly verified scientific claim -- that
'vegetarians' are less healthy -- false. Though the claim that diet itself
ensure one's being "mentally disturbed" is bullshit. Quite a number of
nutrients can be derived only from animal food. a strictly veg diet can
never make up for a normal omnivorous diet. as for "conformists" and
"non-conformists" -- it is "vegetarians" who are non-conformists all right
-- since they are the ones deviating from nature's law concerning us.
humans are by nature made to be omnivorous. to be extra-vegetarian (non-veg
is a term that is wrong in several ways) is the normal thing -- the way we
are all born. to be 'veg' therefore is an 'ism' & dogma -- made by man,
while to be omnivorous is not any 'ism' or dogma' but the natural way. 95%
of all living species is "non-veg" and we humans one of them. within the
human race, therefore the overwhelming majority remain lifelong what they
are born as -- omnivorous. And the fact that it is being "veg" (where diet
habit is turned into an identity/ label) is the artificial dogma invariably
translates to the fact that it is the "veg" ppl who r always being
offensive, passing moral judgments, and behaving intolerably towards the
normal omnivorous majority, not to mention always trying to proselytize.
pretty much the attitude of the "abrahamics" towards all spontaneously
evolved traditions and their followers.
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to your body. Adjust.

Listen to your heart. Adjust.

Listen to your brain. Adjust.

Listen to your soul. Adjust.

Be well! Be happy. Find bliss!
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true...must be funded by meat industry.
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EDIBLE SPOONS BY INDIAN MANUFACTURER - COST EFFECTIVE ANSWER TO PLASTIC
ENVIRONMENTAL POLLUTION

PLEASE CIRCULATE TO HELP VENTURE

Brilliant and innovative answer to PM Modi's MAKE IN INDIA campaign.

I humbly request all to read and please circulate.

Incidentally the write up is exceptionally lucid and professionally done,
which is often a rarity for small tech startups.

I am including an extract from the writeup in the main body of my posting
below.

I am tagging this to my friends and fellow travellers from around the
world, hoping that this pro environment, pro Spaceship Earth goes viral.

"Did you ever think you can eat up your spoons too??? Well friends, it is
now a reality. We make these to provide an effective alternative to plastic
disposable cutlery.

That's why we made these products. These are made of jowar flours (sorghum)
blended with rice and wheat. They contain NO
chemicals/preservatives/fat/plasticizes. In fact they contain nothing that
is not a plant product (except salt, which we add for taste). 100% natural,
100% biodegradable/ decomposable / compostable and 100% ethical.

Yes. You heard it right. Our spoons come with tastes too - sweet and
savoury.

Here, you can just log into our website www.bakeys.com
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Now, the critical part - affordability. Ours, currently are cheaper than
food grade and bio plastic cutlery. These are priced at Rs 2.00 per spoon
(taxes and transportation extra). YOU CAN HELP US HERE.

We hope to make these available as low as Rs 1.50. We then invest in making
smaller sizes and get them to you for as cheap as Rs 0.50!!!

YOU CAN MAKE THE DIFFERENCE.

You can reach me on +91-9393762080. You can write to me in...@bakeys.com.

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Did you ever think you can eat up your spoons too??? Well friends, it is
now a reality. We make these to provide an effective alternative to plastic
disposable cutlery. As you are aware plastic contains whole lot of chemical
complexes, several of which are neuro toxic and carcinogenic. These leach
into food. In fact, even these so called food grade cutlery is that, where
this leaching is within permissible levels of 60 Parts Per Million (PPM).
When you know that the substances that leach can cause cancer and impact
your nervous system, why should you allow even one part per million!!!

That's why we made these products. These are made of jowar flours (sorghum)
blended with rice and wheat. They contain NO
chemicals/preservatives/fat/plasticizes. In fact they contain nothing that
is not a plant product (except salt, which we add for taste). 100% natural,
100% biodegradable/ decomposable/ compostable and 100% ethical.

Yes. You heard it right. Our spoons come with tastes too - sweet and
savoury.

As I said, we are developing this to provide an EFFECTIVE alternative to
plastic disposable cutlery. This means, our products should be as usable,
as available and as affordable as plastic. Of these, the first part is
done. They are as usable as the disposable spoons. The next is to make is
as easily available. Here, you can just log into our website www.bakeys.com
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Now, the critical part - affordability. We all know plastic is very cheap.
Ours, currently are cheaper than food grade and bio plastic cutlery. These
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HELP US HERE.

If this post is shared by as many as of you as you can, we expect this to
convert into orders (including those from you as well ;))If the volumes go
up, we intend to procure the raw materials directly from the farmers (and
certainly give them better prices than they get from their current dealers
yet get it cheaper because the intermediary commissions/margins are
eliminated) and we hope to make these available as low as Rs 1.50. We then
invest in making smaller sizes and get them to you for as cheap as Rs
0.50!!!

This "Make-In-India" venture with an aim at environmental amelioration is
already up and running. Can we all join hands make this a grand success and
show case our innovative abilities to tackle the nuisance we suffer due to
plastic invasion in our daily life?

YOU CAN MAKE THE DIFFERENCE

"Be the Change You Want to see" - Mahatma Gandhi

I would be coming with more posts regularly to keep you appraised of our
other innovative products with the sole objective of keeping plastic away
from our food - plates and cups are not too far away.

You can reach me on 9393762080. You can write to me in...@bakeys.com.

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NagendraJ. I am with Karigar Medha. Many such initiatives sound great, but
a little scratching below the surface soon reveals weaknesses. The tone of
this sounds fairly honest, sincere and even competent. So I am giving them
the benefit of the doubt, and I am promoting on the page I created for this
purpose exactly : YogaSan Plus. From there I will "boost" the post, that is
to say, pay a small amount to Facebook Ads to increase visibility. Thus far
I have NOT found "likes" converting to sales, but I continue to do this as
it DOES increase awareness of a brand or an idea.
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NEHRU FAMILY SLAVE DIGGIE RAJA CALLS THE GREAT NATHURAM GODSE A SLAVE OF
THE BRITISH - SO VERY FREUDIAN!

This is the track record of decadent Nehruvian debauch Digvijaya Singh aka
as Diggie (Doggy?) Raja. He is viciously, rabidly anti-RSS and Muslim
appeasing slave of Islam.

He was turfed out by the Shankaracharya of Dwaraka whom he claimed as his
guru, for his shady character and dodgy behavior.

Of course Diggie Raja is the faithful family slave of our resident
semi-literate Italian barmaid and Vatican proconsul, and her dimwit Harvard
dropout 45-year perennial Youth Icon son. In true Nehruvian Gandhian
fashion the wretch casts aspersions on a great patriot like Pandit Nathuram
Godse who rid India of the Gandhi disease, calling Godse a slave of the
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<https://www.facebook.com/thirumalaraya.halemane?rc=p> I read through most
of the ajit vadakayil blogspot links given here by shree rajesh maurya in
his comments. very interesting, lots of good info and analysis, various
connections charted out, deeply hidden machinations, strategic
manipulations etc by the powers behind the scenes pointed at or brought
out. so, it looks like the indian freedom struggle, including both 1857 and
1947 events, were, perhaps, mostly stage managed monarchist racist colonial
exploitative drama by the ruling elite hidden forces, indian and foreign,
behind the scenes, using various psychologically manufactured brain-washed
agents and leaders serving as puppets made to dance by drawing the strings
attached to or influencing them ??? of course, the blogspot itself (it even
has some obvious errors, I suspect) seems to be another such
propagandizing, brain-washing, attempt to re-inforce anti-Brahmin and
anti-jewish sentiments, for thrashing, scapegoating and poisoning the minds
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Irvinder Singh <https://www.facebook.com/irvinder.singh.73?fref=ufi&rc=p> I
am not a Gandhian but consider his assassination a horrible crime. The only
thing great about Godse is the disgust I feel at his actions.
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Singh Sir, you are entitled to your opinions and I respect that.

However, you should be aware that Great Powers have always used
assassination as a tool of state policy, starting with Chanakya.

Have you considered that the despicable Gandhi and his obsequious Muslim
appeasing ways was about to destroy the emerging nation-state of India with
his perversion of Hinduism and insane suicide fetish?

Godse decided that Gandhi had to go, even if he had to sacrifice his own
life. Pandit Nathuram Godse was a great patriot. Tens of millions of Hindu
Indians today agree, tacitly or openly that Godse's extreme action was
unavoidable.
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have your opinion and I have mine. There can be no meeting ground, so lets
agree to disagree as per the tolerant ethos of our great country.
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well said, well said.

That was always our way, until the invasion of uncivilized, unrefined Arab
Islamic katvas.
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Singh sir....you are ok provided you kniw what gandhi did.
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BRAIN WASHING PROCESS OF MAHATMA GANDHI BY LEO TOLSTOY AND HERMANN
KALLENBACK, GROOMING OF INDIAN COMMUNIST PARTY FOUNDER MN ROY BY EVELYN
TRENT-- CAPT AJIT VADAKAYIL

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We will NOT allow true history to be fudged by the white historian or by
Wikipedia !

Gandhi recruited 13 lakh ( 1.3 million ) Indian soldiers in the first world
war – out of which 111000 ( 1.11 lakh ) Indian soldiers were killed .

Gandhi recruited 25 lakh ( 2.5 million ) Indian soldiers in the second
World war. Out of this 243000 ( 2.43 lakh) soldiers were killed.

When I started this blog 2 years ago, I had promised that I would exhume
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HINDU TEMPLE ENTRY RESTRICTION BY SEX - NOT SEXUAL DISCRIMINATION

There is a cabal of western educated / influenced pseudo-Hindu (only in
name) women who are making a big noise about not being allowed into certain
temples.

Almost always these women are egged on by foreign NGOs and secular western
busybody feminist harpies with nothing better to do. Thsy are either
totally ignorant or contemptuous of Indian and Hindu cultural and religious
practices, and the reasons for them.

These women never seem to try to remove egregious and overtly
discriminatory practices in other religions, c.f. Islam, Judaism and
Christianity.

Islam is the worst case of naked discrimination against women. These female
feminist harpies well know that if they meddle with Islam, the reaction
will be immediate, brutally violent and sustained. There is threat to life
and limb. Hindus are pacifist and easy going, hence a soft target.

Leaving that aside, there are good and valid reasons why there are
restrictions by sex and age. These have nothing to do with mere prejudice
and discrimination.

Male and female bodies are different. Female bodies do certain things that
male hodies do not, can not, e.g. bear children and menstruate. Temples
with certain specific aims are built keeping these different abilities in
mind. Hence the restriction about temple entry.

Let me give a crude but serviceable example. It is well known that the
phases of the moon do have a subtle influence on both men and women.
Research is ongoing on how this can impact sensitive, complex and delicate
medical procedures.

The Hindu religion believes that it is not only the moon, but all the other
solar planets affect the human body in different ways and for varying
periods of time. Certain complex tantric forces created and enshrined in
those temples are inimical to the female body, hence female temple entry is
barred either permanently or at specifc times. This does not mean that the
practices are discriminatory or evil.

That being said, to be fair, I agree that there are infrequent cases where
temple entry is banned because of local prejudices WHICH HAVE NO AUTHORITY
IN THE DHARMA SASTRAS. However, in such cases it cannot and should not be
the Supreme Court of India which makes what is patently a religious
decision. It should be the religious authorities through a Dharma Sammelan,
as used to be held in the great Hindu Maratha military empire in Patan.

Wretched far left wing anti-Hindu, Muslim appeasing, Christian conversions
condoning, atheistic Marxist Nehruvian Congress governments have largely
ruled India for 65+ years since independence, either on their own or lately
in coalitions. They have given a free hand to Islam and Christianity to
continue with totally Neandearthal and discriminatory practices. But these
same Marxist Nehruvian governments have insisted in gratuitously meddling
in the affairs of Hindu temples and religious practices. THIS MUST STOP
NOW!!!

This is not something to be decided by vote, by secular, short-sighted,
half-baked western influenced women OR MEN of zero or little deep religious
background, and NO indepth spiritual realization. THIS IS WHY THE HINDU
RELIGIOUS SCRIPTURES ARE CALLED "SASTRAS" THOSE WHICH COMMAND! OTHERWISE
THEY WOULD BE "SASHYAS", THOSE WHICH ARE COMMANDED!

The Pope from the Vatican has frequently said, "The Church in Rome is not a
Democracy". Well neither is Hinduism, and least of all Islam or Judaism.

The Zika virus borne by mosquitoes is endemic in Brazil these days.
Pregnant women are strictly forbidden from going to Brazil as they are very
likely to have microcephalic, mentally crippled babies. Does this mean
women are being discriminated against when they are forbidden from going to
Brazil?

The standard argument given by these feminazis and feminist harpies is that
they cannot see anything, so it is not there. A color blind person cannot
see red or green - it does not mean those colors do not exist. Neither can
the women in Brazil see the Zika virus but it's effect is very evident on
the babies when born.

Similarly it is well known that humans and in particular pregnant women and
children should not be close to high tension electrical cables or high
powered TV transmission towers. They cannot see or feel anything either,
but the damage to health and well being is subtle and long term.

Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev, Founder of the Isha Foundation is one of 21st
century India's most distinguished Hindu religious leaders. He is also a
fluent English speaking very no nonsense, REFRESHINGLY politically
incorrect savant. He has given a detailed and logical explanation below
which I STRONGLY recommend everyone to read.
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we say . . . that a temple is not a public place, unlike a public park in a
city or for example a public road/highway which are open for use by
everyone whoever wishes to use them; and even in such public places, one
fundamental point is that - one's freedom ends at a point when it impinges
upon someone elses freedom . . . a temple is a house of the deity therein,
and the devotees of that deity are members of that family . . . you cannot
demand entry into my house and surely not into my bedroom . . . even my
invited guest do not have the freedom and cannot demand any right to do
whatever pleases his/her wishes as long as that guest is in my house; the
guest is obliged to follow certain accepted norms (i don't care the
legality etc) when being a guest in someone else's house, and surely when
(even if permitted) in someone else's bedroom. . . it is as simple as that
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please note . . . it is not just entry into the temple premises, what they
demand is the right to offer pUja to the deity by entry into the sanctum
sanctorum (if i have understood correctly) that is abhishEka to that
Saneeshwara vigraha . . .
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temple, wherein prANapratiShTApana has been done, is a house of that deity;
a deity has a legal identity in indian law (as i understand); the trustees
and the neighborhood devotees are the guardians of the premises and have
the responsibility to maintain and continue that temple tradition just as
each of the family members have similar responsibility w.r.t. a family;
when it comes to conflicts or controversies, the court must uphold the
rights & responsibilities of all these concerned-parties and not
necessarily the rights of any of the 'guests' or rather the intruders who
disturb such a setup, similar to the rights & responsibilities of a family
needs to be protected from any intruder; i call them as intruders unless
they can first establish their stand as one among the earlier mentioned
concerned-parties (stakeholders) through appropriate legal means . . . i
was surprised that Sri Sri supports the cause of 'women's freedom' in
intruding into that Saneeshwara temple; and for that matter, Swamy as
mentioned in one of his tweets that he would support the 'women's freedom'
as against some whatever Sastra which may need to be amended! These are
very dangerous stances indeed!
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is exceedingly well phrased and thoughtful.

I learned something new today, that Sri Sri supports female entry into the
Shani Temple. Well we all know that he means well, but he is no authority
of the Dharma Sastras, a srotriya in the sense of the Mundaka Upanisad.
Possibly he may be a brahmanistha, but without being an acknowledged
authority on the Dharma Sastras his opinions on such matters are the same
as yours or mine, NO MORE.
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my honourable/honoured Swamy too slipped . . .
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is Swamy's twitter on the issue of temple entry rights demanded by women .
. . i feel Swamy has not put his mind to the intricacies of the problem, or
has simply slipped on this point . . .
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such issues, since an arrow once shot cannot be withdrawn . . . that is a
fundamental truth . . . words (especially words uttered/written/tweeted by
such stalwarts) do behave like arrows . . .
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temple is less of a public place than a public-toilet in say a bus stand or
railway station or an airport or a restaurant or a mall; . . . now do we
want to create a situation where men/women demand equal rights to enter
into the toilets designated and marked/meant for the other gender . . . and
what about those who belong to some third/fourth/etc gender or non-gender
category like trans-gender/non-gender/ultra-gender/etc . . .
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Nagendra S. Rao <https://www.facebook.com/Nagendra.S.Rao?fref=ufi&rc=p> Sri
Bala Balasubramanian Sir:

Sri Bala Balasubramanian Sir, I particularly appreciate the inclusiveness
evinced in your above statement including atheistic – the Nirisvara
Samkhyavadins and Purva Mimamsakas, particularly Bhatta Mimamsakas of the
six standard canons of Hindu nee Sanatana Dharma philosophy are avowedly
atheistic. This is not generally known except to people who are scholars
and those who have studied our religion according to sampradaya and
parampara, tradition and lineage. It really does not matter which –
Vaishnava / Shaiva / Shakta / Bauddha / Jaina / Sikh / Lingayat or whatever.

I agree with your / this excellent framework with one slight caveat, if I
may.

My caveat is about the last three words of your statement “In that order”.
This IMHO is not an absolute. It depends on desha, kala, avastha
parichinnatva. Every Muslim and many Christians are TOTALLY OPPOSED to “a
national identity, a religious (including atheistic) identity and an
individual identity, in that order”. You have yourself earlier stated this.
Muslims say their religious identity comes first and this leads,
particularly in the case of conservative Muslims to extra territorial
loyalty and commitment. Gandhi and Nehru tried to sweep this under the
carpet by eternally expecting Hindus to back down.

The wretched Gandhi in particular followed a craven policy of asking Hindus
to forever concede everything to get supercilious Islamic acquiescence.
This until Muslims felt ready and able to enforce their religious and
political world view through genocide, rape, murder and loot, as is
religiously permissible in the Koran, the Hadith and the Sunnah. The
emerging nation-state of ISIS / ISIL is the classic 21st century
manifestation of this millennial Islamic ethos across the globe, from its
inception under the Paigamber / Prophet in the 7th century.

Yes, in a nation-state with a mixture of religions and immiscible cultural
values there are only two solutions: Separation with the compatible
elements getting together and going their own ways. This is the model
Pakistan tried under Quaid e Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah for Muslims. For the
most part the nation-state of Pakistan today is an international basket
case and terrorist haven. Sunnis and Shias are at war with each other. Both
are bent on exterminating the Ahamadiyyas, and Baha'is as apostates of
Islam, and Hindus for good measure since they are the hated kafir
mushrikeen.

The other solution is to try to develop a livable composite culture where
there are people of all religions, social and cultural values consent to
live and work together. This is the model of India, the United States and
after millennia of being Christian (hating Jews) modern day heavily secular
Europe. This is not REPEAT NOT the model of Arab Islam, particularly Salafi
Saudi Arabia and Talibani / Deobandi Pakistan.

In such a modern state of composite cultural values, for sheer survival and
viability there has to be a secular national identity for everyone, which
is paramount. So your analysis model is valid and robust here, as I have
stated in the beginning. There will be eternal conflict at a subliminal
level, that is the nature of samsara according to Hinduism anyway,
philosophically speaking. But this conflict will be manageable if people of
all religions are agreeable to subordinating their religious identities to
the national identity.

Where the problem lies in India today is that a large number of Muslims do
not agree to subordinating religious identity to national identity. They
view India as unfinished business of Dar ul Harb where the primacy of
Sharia Law for everyone in the end, and at least for Muslims NOW must
prevail. And they will use ruthless force, and subterfuge to achieve this,
permissible according to the Islamic al Taqiyyah doctrine of deceit in war.
Christians have had similar doctrines rigorously applied in medieval times,
c.f. Bishop Eusebius, First Historian of the Christian Church and a series
of ethnocentric Popes.

For the most part because of the flexible inclusive nature of Hinduism nee
Sanatana Dharma, subsuming a religious identity to a national identity has
never been a problem for Hindus. Of course there are those who speak of a
Hindu Rashtra or a Uber Alles Brihat Bharat through some form of Hitlerian
Anschluss. These are a minority who gain strength due to noted Islamic and
Christian intransigence.

Why there is a rub in India today is that Hindus as was done for millennia
are being asked to submerge their religious identity to a national
identity, but the same is NOT expected of Muslims or Christians, at least
to anywhere near the same extent. Under now totally discredited,
regressive, Gandhian-Nehruvian policies aggressive Muslims and Christians
are being permitted to bend, nay force due Indian constitutional processes
to make the Indian nation-state to conform to their limited, exclusionary
world view.

For the first time in millennia Hindus under the incoming PM Modi
administration are standing up and saying they do not agree to this, no
matter the earlier Gandhian-Nehruvian-Marxist Hindu suppressing twaddle.

Today Hindus are saying, openly and forcefully that the Indian nation-state
must stop meddling in Hindu temple administration and Hindu religious
customs and values, WHILE ALLOWING MUSLIMS AND CHRISTIANS TO OPENLY DO WHAT
THEY PLEASE. In the totally one sided and unjust Indian constitutional
policies forced down Hindu throats by Gandhian-Nehruvian pressure, mosques
and churches are sacrosanct where as Hindu temples and their monies are
under open season for loot by secular, corrupt governments. You are an
educated man and you know the disastrous consequences of the ahem modest
intellect Rajiv Gandhi’s short sighted Muslim appeasing Shah Bano political
decision, in naked contravention of the clear Supreme Court of India
decision.

It would be best if the Islamic and Christian religious and socio-political
sub cultures of India accept that the era of suppressing Hindu aspirations,
while giving free reign to their values is forever over. There must be real
give and take by all religions.

In the future, it can not and will not be that Hindus will eternally give
and Muslims and Christians eternally take per implicitly advocated and
condoned Gandhian-Nehruvian-Marxist policies of a bygone era. If they don’t
then there will be decades of strife.

Since Hindus are by nature pacifist and willing to compromise it won’t be a
genocidal blood bath as in Syria or Indonesia in the past. However, it will
not be pleasant either. The renascent 21st century Indian Hindu youth have
had enough of failed, totally one-sided Gandhian-Nehruvian policies of the
past. They will not and should not be silent!

It would be well therefore for mature, elder statesmen like you who pride
yourselves in being secularist Indians first (WHICH I ADMIRE ONLY IN THIS
CONTEXT) to understand the changed 21st century reality in India. Work
towards ensuring a truly equitable triple social identity of the kind, IN
THE ORDER that you have advocated. DO NOT try to make this a covert
exercise of business as usual where naïve, accommodating Hindu sheep will
eternally concede as was nauseatingly advocated by Gandhi. This lead to his
(regrettable) forcible elimination from the Indian religio-socio-political
scene.

There is much more that I would like to add or say about the third
component of your paradigm, viz individual identity and its implications
for the smooth functioning of the socio-cultural body politic of the
nation-state. But I will refrain to not make this note overlong.

Once again in closing, Sir, I must thank you for providing a sober forum in
which things can be objectively discussed. I would hope and like to think
that I have answered your reaching out in the spirit in with which you made
it. And yes, without the traditional de rigueur subservience required of
Hindus in such matters.

Jai Hind

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<https://www.facebook.com/thirumalaraya.halemane?rc=p> indeed, it is a
great post, with lots of good info, good discussion regarding this
controversy, also other related matters. as a general concept, temples,
rituals, shastras etc are there doing service or helping individuals,
families, communities, society, nation, and they are expected to do so
without hurting or causing harm to others. so, in some ways, for comparison
purposes, of its nature and relationship to society, to help in our
understanding, we may take the example of hospitals which also do similar
service. all hospitals are not the same and they have rules, guidelines,
restrictions, etc , and they may not be able to treat or help every case.
some are very specialized, everybody cannot enter a hazard zone or clean
room or lab or operation theater etc, unlike say in the cafeteria. people
generally respect those rules, organizational requirements, there is good
reasoning behind it, some severe violations can even make the hospital into
a dangerous place, there is no violation of rights or discrimination
involved if say a specialist hospital is not able to help a patient looking
for full service with his or her case and needs, be it because of the
patient's gender or age or other specifics. of course, one can always ask,
can they do better, and how much better, what is the best, and why is it
necessary, what are the problems or costs or negatives or damage or risks
that may be there in changing and of being more helpful to the others also,
if that is the only way to help them etc. so, that's another way of
treating the issue or the question here. how to be helpful to those who are
being denied the help they are looking for, assuming that their needs are
genuine, of course. and, here, it is only discussion. but, we hope and pray
for less confusion and more clarity, more helpful atmosphere / system
overall, for the best, coming out of this and other various controversies,
trials, tests, pareekshas etc. best wishes. aummmmm......
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post is thought provoking and I liked the hospital analogy. I am sure if
the politicians stay away and refrain from stoking the flame and refer the
matter to spiritual/enlightened souls this issue can be resolved.
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Desh Kapoor <https://www.facebook.com/deshdkapoor?fref=ufi&rc=p> During the
Dhyan Yatra with Isha Foundation
<https://www.facebook.com/ishafoundation/?hc_location=ufi> - we went to a
place called Gupta-kashi. There is a powerful shivalingam there in a rather
obscure temple that not many visit, although it is next to a residential
colony. Sadhguru had - in his previous life - taken sadhakas from Southern
India for 3-4 months long sadhana over there for the power that the lingam
offers.

What Sadhguru told us about that temple left us all flabbergasted. Now,
given the nature of the temple, many years back - before the onslaught of
politically correct and "moral" nonsense in our society - women used to
offer Menstrual blood at the Yantra outside!! Why? Because Menstrual blood
is closest to the energy of "Life" after a live sacrifice or use of the
just-dead body that some tantrics use. It was used to enhance the power of
the lingam.

Our yogis were ruthless scientists. What we have now in terms of Dharmic
people is just a mockery of our tradition. But oh well. smile emoticon
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Nagendra S. Rao <https://www.facebook.com/Nagendra.S.Rao?fref=ufi&rc=p> Desh
Kapoor <https://www.facebook.com/deshdkapoor?hc_location=ufi> Sir, I really
appreciate your comment above and your weighing in on this matter.

This is of course well known to me from independent, traditional sources
being a Sri Vidya upasaka. I was not aware that Sri Sadhguru
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it. Usually these things dealing with tantra are taught or communicated
only to mature krtopasakas on a strictly need to know basis for their
sadhana.

The principal reasons for such secrecy or rahasyam is to prevent Hinduism
getting a bad name as happened in the case of Buddhist practitioners of
tantra and yes in modern times Bhagawan Sri Rajaneesh. BTW I stayed at his
Oregon Ashram to observe.

Please do give me a heads up on any other and similar postings by Sri
Sadhguru <https://www.facebook.com/sadhguru/?hc_location=ufi>. His stuff is
almost 100% in line with traditional teachings, despite his vigorous
disavowal of the Prastana Traya contents and commentaries. And I say that
about VERY FEW English language commenters on our ancient sastras. He has
immense purva janma samaskara and at least a little iha janma sadhana in an
open of traditional restrictions sense - need of the hour!

This particular post of mine has generated unprecedented serious interest
and several learned comments. I encourage you to also express your thoughts
either on the thread or seperately to me.

Sri Bala Balasubramanian <https://www.facebook.com/bala4391?hc_location=ufi>
comment below on the secular implications of such issues in the modern
nation-state and my comments are most apropos for your thoughts. He is
Senior Professor at IIMB and a finance and social policy SME in addition to
being a grand old school patrician, fast disappearing these days. angel
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Desh Kapoor <https://www.facebook.com/deshdkapoor?fref=ufi&rc=p> Nagendra
<https://www.facebook.com/Nagendra.S.Rao?hc_location=ufi> Sir - I always
read your posts with a lot of interest and seriousness. I agree with you on
everything you just said above.

Now, my issue with the secular interpretation by Bala sir is that just like
you cannot use biological terms to discuss physics, you cannot use secular
paradigm to discuss SPirituality. These are two separate paradigms.

A very good book to read - and seriously do "manan" on - is Yoga Vasistha.
You will see very clearly how absolutely and uncompromisingly ruthless
Vasistha is on centrality of Universal Consciousness to the exclusion of
everything else. Every topic, every point and every issue is discussed and
worked on keep that as sacrosanct. While doing that if anything falls on
the wayside then so be it.

So, I take serious issue with any view that looks at our traditions at a
physical level. Like I have often said - Yoga is a very good example. No
Yogi EVER in our history talked of Yoga in terms of blood, bones or
muscles. They ALWAYS talked about it in terms of Nadi, CHakra and Prana.

Now, every serious doctor from Baylor to Harvard to any other major medical
school and hospital agrees that Yoga works like nothing else. Yet, they go
on to understand it in terms of blood, body and muscles. No one has ever
seen a nadi or chakra or prana. Yet, those who "built this rolls royce"
ONLY talked in terms of those unseen components!

If the understanding of Harvard and Baylor Medical experts of the body was
all that was needed, why didn't they come up with something like Yoga? Or
take it further?

The fact is that looking at body doesn't give us everything. There is
something beyond the understanding of body - and far more humongous and
complete that gives us tools to not just go beyond the body but keep this
body in balance far better than any medicine can. Otherwise, how tough was
it for someone with expert knowledge of lungs and respiration to come up
with a breathing exercise to control Cholesterol and BP? That expertise did
nothing in terms of healing the body. A guy talking in terms of weird
unseen components came up with that.

So talking about Yoga using physical body as the basis is like trying to
build a Rolls Royce using tricycle parts. It just doesn't work!

Similarly, to use "Secular" paradigm to understand the work that takes one
beyond the physical is like using the knowledge of bullock cart to discuss
the physics of a rocket that takes one to the moon. It is totally useless.

My two cents smile emoticon
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of spiritual progress are described in Yoga Vaasishta. These are
1.Prathama Bhoomika
2.Vichaarana
3. Asanga Bhaavana
4. Vilaapanee
5. Shuddha samvit maaya Ananda roopa
6.Sushuptaa sadrusha sthithi and
7. Turyaatheetha.
Yoga vaasishta advises the aspirant to study the right kind of scriptures
and cleanse the mind by getting rid of raaga, dvEsha, tamas, krodha, madaa
and matsara.
The most important point to be noted is that the yagavaasishta emphasizes a
joint operation of karma and jnaana to reach the goal. This is however
against the concept taught by Shankara who considers that jnana alone leads
to jeevanmukti. Great emphasis is laid on vaasanaa kshaya and manOnaasha
with the help
of tattvajnaana. Worship of the self through bodha (understanding), Saamya
(calmnness of mind), maitri (friendliness to all), KaruNa (compassion),
Mudita (delight), UpEksha( indifference towards evil doers) is
advocated. Moorthipooja is considered as a baalakreeda or child's play. On
the whole, Yogavaasishta challenges the intellect with its uncompromising
logic and it is exhilarating and a beautiful poetry.
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that there may be sort of dovetail kind of relationship, that one
encompasses the another and that in turn encompasses yet another etc. . .
rather than being completely independent of one another . . . OR could it
be that they are indeed interdependent & interactive . . .
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well know the Sapta Jnana Bhumikas are also cited in the Jeevanamuktiviveka
of Vidyaranyaswami, 12th Shankaracharya of Sringeri.

"The most important point to be noted is that the Yogavaasishta emphasizes
a joint operation of karma and jnaana to reach the goal".

What you are saying is that Yoga Vasistha Maha Ramayana supports 'jnana
karma samuccayavada'. Frankly I am really surprised at this observation of
yours.

At least according to the late Mahasannidhanam, Shankaracharya of Sringeri
this is not so at all. He specifically recommended two traditional granthas
for those interested in understanding technically correct Advaita Vedanta
but either not interested enough to study the Prastana Traya or not having
the intellectual horsepower and sastra vasana to do so - Panchadasi and
Yoga Vasistha Maha Ramayana.

Other than that I am in full agreement with you on what Sri Bhagavadapada
has said. angel emoticon smile emoticon
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Desh Kapoor <https://www.facebook.com/deshdkapoor?fref=ufi&rc=p> Keshava-ji:
It is very much like Newtonian and Quantum physics. Both are correct in
their own paradigm. Similarly the primordial consciousness and the gross
world are same yet very different. The thing is that Yoga and our spiritual
work targets the primordial consciousness via the energy body that is
inherent in this physical body, yet much finer. The problem with us -
modern folks - has been that we have never touched the "finer primordial
level", and therefore interpret everything from the gross level. It is like
taking some phenomenon at the Quantum level and interpreting it per the
Newtonian principles. It will not work properly. Sir, that is my
understanding of the spiritual work.
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actually you have a valid point here, though I never thought about it in
those terms. Well said!
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Nagendra S. Rao <https://www.facebook.com/Nagendra.S.Rao?fref=ufi&rc=p> Desh
Kapoor <https://www.facebook.com/deshdkapoor?hc_location=ufi> Sir:

"No Yogi EVER in our history talked of Yoga in terms of blood, bones or
muscles. They ALWAYS talked about it in terms of Nadi, CHakra and Prana.

Now, every serious doctor from Baylor to Harvard to any other major medical
school and hospital agrees that Yoga works like nothing else. Yet, they go
on to understand it in terms of blood, body and muscles".

Thank you very much for your note above and in particular for your
observation in the quoted parts immediately above. This is a most important
point you have made about the relative level of metaphysical subtlety or
rather lack thereof at which western scholars operate in relation to Yoga
and other Hindu Indian concepts.

it is an asuric approach on their part, c.f. Virocana versus Indra when
they both went to study with Prajapati for Atma Vidya. Virocana was never
really able to understand that Atman was not the physical deha and hence
proceeded to teach his asura gana to worship the physical body.

That being said I am not saying this against the well meaning good doctors
of Harvard Medical School and Baylor School of Medicine. They mean well and
what is more important is that they are right as well within a limited
spatio-temporal context. angel emoticon smile emoticon
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Desh Kapoor <https://www.facebook.com/deshdkapoor?fref=ufi&rc=p> LOL..
Agree with your comment on the good folks from Baylor and Harvard 100%! smile
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IMHO:- (0) i must confess at the outset that my knowledge of tantra-yOga is
simply ZILCH, and therefore i am open for correction in that regard . . .
(1) whatever is being talked/discussed here about tantra/yOga [of which i
am only a seeker, seeking guidance from our beloved nAgEndra ji] seems to
be only at the level of vyAvahArika, that is at the level of observable
phenomena [although they may have an explanation arising from other
dimensions]; (2) at that level of vyAvahArika, is it not well known that
the mind & body together form an intertwined, interdependent, interactive,
integrated system; and any attempt to separate one from the other shall
have its consequent approximation-errors in terms of the validity of such
modelling and hence the prediction capability or its usefulness - this
aspect might have been a common knowledge for our ancient sages, whereas it
is being better acknowledged by the modern scientific community only in
recent decades; (3) although there is a model of the three shareeras, the
pancha-kOshas, etc, IMHO they are only some elementary models to bring home
certain aspects of the jeeva as a creation, and not necessarily imply that
one is contained in another or that one is circumscribed by another or even
that one leads to another in a cause effect relationship - on the other
hand they can be interdependent, intertwined, interactive entities . . .
(4) i believe that there are well intentioned scientists with sincere zeal
to seek the truth, who are open to all possible paths of inquiry including
whatever may be otherwise considered as irrational occult pseudo science
etc. (5) of course, tantra/yOga needs to be made better accessible to
sincere seekers rather than kept away; which only results in
misunderstanding and malpractice etc. . .
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<https://www.facebook.com/keshavaprasadahalemane?fref=ufi&rc=p> . . . IMHO:
a kriya becomes karma-yOga only to the extent that it is [only if-&-when]
enjoined with jnAna; same is the case with bhakti-yOga . . .
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implied that liberation(moksha) is not attainable solely
by knowledge(jnana) or by action(karma) and both must be combined in
coordination like the two wings of a bird. So, the synthesis of karma and
jnana is the main theme of Yogavasista. Moksha signifies the advent of a
higher consciousness in man and transforms his egocentric
activity into action unhindered by desire and attachment.
What is aspired here is a means of living the life of a Jivanmukta as the
ultimate end of human existence. However, a Jivanmukta is not averse to the
world of everyday affairs. He however, participates in
it without getting involved in any way. He preserves the unity in diversity
in his life.
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matter what you say, I cannot agree to jnana-karma samuccayavada in any
way, shape or form. It cuts at the root of the Advaita doctrine.

Apart from the classical vastu siddhi vicarena ... of the Vivekachudamani,
there are innumerable citations which refute your contention, no matter the
qualifications and modifiers.

Further I also reject what you say the Yoga Vasistha says.

Please do provide the exact citation so that I can consult the authorities
in Kailash Ashram, Rishikesh, Kashi or Sringeri. I have not read it in some
30 years.

Also I have several reservations about your description of Moksha above
which seems to be contrary to Ajatavada flowing out of Mandukya Karikas.
And several of Bhagawan Ramana Maharishi's comments on Sahaja Samadhi or
Sahajavastha. It is also not in accord with my anubhava.

Since English is an imprecise language, it is possible that we are saying
the same thing. I have high respect for your vast scholarship.

But your statement about jnana karma samuccayavada is categoric, specific
and contrary both to my anubhava and adhyayana. I cannot accept it.
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ji - your mentioned about an analogy with Newtonian Mechanics (NM) and
Quantum Mechanics (QM). But then, is it not a case where one gives a
grosser model whereas the other gives a refined model, one ignores the
finer details and hence is incapable of explaining certain phenomenological
details, whereas the other provides the required level of precision and
hence capable of explaining such phenomenological details. Are we really
talking about a similar situation here also? I do not know.
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wrote is what the yogavaasishta states- not what I feel- There is a school
of thought which says that jnana or knowledge and karma or ritualistic
action can be combined. If Krishna could teach the Bhagavadgita or Shankara
could do so much work in his short life time as vanquishing the opponents
or writing philosophical treatises or making disciples or establishing
matas one has to concede that JNANA KARMA SAMUCHCHAYA is possible. Would
you agree ?
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<https://www.facebook.com/Nagendra.S.Rao?hc_location=ufi> - The
Bhagavadgita as well as Laghu yogavaasishta, Mahabharata and soota samhita
describe the details of a jeevanmukta. (Please see BG 2.54, 12.13-19,
14.21-26). The Jeevanmukta's mind has transcended happiness and misery,
likes and
dislikes and various passions and prejudices like lust,
greed, avarice, pride, vanity, jealousy etc., He looks upon the world as a
reflection of Brahman, the Absolute.
Jeevanmuktatva is the ultimate stage of achievement and one has to pass
through various preliminary stages before that. Ramana Maharshi, Shree
Ramakrishna, Brahma Chaitanya and a number of other great personalities did
achieve such a state. Even now there are quite a number of such
achievers.(They are known as
avadhootas).
Shree Chandrashekhar Bharati of the Srimgeri peeta is one such individual
whom I had some knowledge of.
(He was the paramaguru of the present pontiff of Sringeri).
They say that the Paramaachaarya of Kanchi- sri. Chandrashekharendra
saraswati was another one.
(My latest book in Kannada on many such great men is released on a few
months back.) This (jeevanmuktatva) still remains man's soul objective of
living in this world (in the karma bhoomi). This may not be complete in one
life too.(you may perhaps see Edgar Kaycee's "Many Mansions").
Karma, Bhakti and Jnana are different stages advocated by Shree Krishna in
Bhagavadgita. Dvaitha, Vishista advaitha and Advaitha are all different
stages in
understanding the relationship between Atma and Paramatma. Water is the
same whether it is in a well, a river or an ocean. However, because of
hydrological cycle, the same water gets recirculated. We need not fight on
these different waters till we understand that essentially it is all the
same.

HERE IS A POEM WHICH IS CRISP AND TO THE POINT IN EXPLAINING THE CONCEPT:
It is about the one who is a jeevanmuktha - the one who is liberated-The
poem is from the manku thimmana kagga , the magnum opus of DVG, a telugu
man who has made a great contribution to kannada literature.
The Liberated person has certain special qualities-
He has interest in worldly interests outside, but inwardly is
completely disinterested: He thinks of the work outside, but disinterested
inwardly; He bears the weight of the culture outwardly, but has disregard
for it inwordly.
This is the way for Yogic living.
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being naive; . . . jeevanmukti . . . mOkSha . . . mOkSha from what . . .
from bandha . . . we need to know the where/what/how/why of bandha . . . in
order to understand the where/what/how/why of mOkSha . . .
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order to resolve a problem situation that manifests at a particular level
of reality, any effective solution method/approach must necessarily be one
that is valid at either that level or even at a higher level of reality
[here i am referring to the possibility of various levels of reality - for
example, with the three most widely understood being (s0)
paaramaarthika-sattaa, (s1) vyaavahaarika-sattaa, (s2)
praatibhaasika-sattaa and (s3) asattaa]; i am visualizing a continuum of
possible levels of reality spanning the entire spectrum between the two
extremes, namely UNREAL & REAL or FALSE & TRUE or models as the interval
[0,1]. Don't ask me what numerical values correspond to (s1) & (s2) above,
although we can surely say that (s0) must correspond to the value 1 and
(s3) must correspond to the value 0 in that spectrum.
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suppose that a 'bandha' is being perceived to be manifest at the mental
level of reality within an individual; can it not be a problem situation
that can be appropriately addressed and resolved by the right
approaches/methods as available to the experts in
psychiatry/psychology/etc? And in addition, if needed, it may so happen
that the best presently available known/proved method to resolve it could
as well happen to be a physical administration of some medicines/chemicals
into the physical body? So do we see a case of sthUla - sUkShma samuchchaya
(!)? I do not know!
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continue one the above example - there is no contradiction or paradoxical
situation in the above example, once we understand that the physical brain
is influenced by the chemicals, and the mental
(physiological/psychological) function is supported by and therefore
dependent on the physical brain; here is a case of what i referred to as
interdependency and mutual interaction etc. ON THE OTHER HAND, (v0) suppose
an individual has a supra-natural (spiritual?) experience. Where in the
above mentioned hierarchy would it fit in? It may not be (s0)
paaramaarthika-sattaa nor (s1) vyaavahaarika-sattaa nor (s2)
praatibhaasika-sattaa nor (s3) asattaa . . .
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to the above situations (v0) & (v1) i prefer to use the terminology
"vaiyaktika-sattaa" - it is valid for the individual at the time and place
and circumstances whenever it is experienced; it being not different from a
dream experience (v2) of an individual. It is interesting to note that the
earlier mentioned four levels/degrees of reality are like four fixed poles
(two of them at the two extremes and the other two in between them); this
one, namely "vaiyaktika-sattaa" is more like a variable parameter, which
can take values (manifest itself) matching with any of the earlier
mentioned four. For example, case (v2) can be anywhere between (s2) & (s3);
case (v0) can be anywhere between (s0) & (s3). You tell me where we can
place case (v1).
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ji, the above write-up is the resultant of some sort of spontaneous
thinking [not just now, but recently] about the various possible distinctly
different degrees/levels of reality - of course, recognizing the original
four (s0) (s1) (s2) & (s3) while also looking for accommodating yet another
one which we may label as (vx). It is to be noted that (sx) that includes
the earlier four, (s0) (s1) (s2) & (s3) for example, refers to those that
are related to samaShTi-dRShTi, whereas (vx) that includes (v0) (v1) & (v2)
for example, refers to vyaShTi-dRShTi.
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above intellectual analysis is born of a very teekshna buddhi but as yet
inadequate anusthanadharita sukshma buddhi.

Bhagawan Ramana Maharishi, the Gold Standard of Sahajavastha Siddhas has
clearly said that people with lack of clear vision born of tapas go on
posting endless special categories related to the Realization experience
which have no meaning.

Bhagawan goes on to add 'turiya' was considered to be the acme of
sakshatkara. Then someone came up with the category 'turiyatita'. "Where
and when will this (interminable) categorization end"? I can send you the
precise citation.

I refuse to try to analyze or understand your observations above. I do not
have the intellectual stamina, and more particularly the interest.

Normally I never comment on such observations and let them ride. But you
have some regard for my words, are a serious sadhaka of mature age, high
sincerity, very high teekshna buddhi, and astika bhavana.

Hence I cut you off, EXACTLY IN THE SAME WAY that polymath Old Swami
Nisreyasananda cut me off when I made almost the identical point you did,
some 38 years ago.

There is really no need for anything more than paramarthika, vyavaharika
and pratibhasika categories.

You are a scientist. You well know that when the number of categories and
special cases go on increasing to explain a data set, then in all
probability you need a more comprehensive theoretical framework since the
extant one is clearly inadequate.
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beloved nAgEndra ji . . . i wish i am wrong on the above . . . but . . . if
you allow me to ask a question . . . Q: Consider two things - (s2) mirage
(v2) my dream yesterday night. Here, the experience of a mirage is a
collective experience, that can be verified to be a common experience among
all human beings [that was valid during the time space & context of
observing that mirage phenomenon] although it is subjected to negation
after having obtained the required knowledge about the apparent reality of
mirage as a phenomenon through either self-inquiry or appropriate
instruction. However, my dream yesterday night, was an experience specific
to me as an individual [that was valid during the time space & context of
that dream] and not beyond. The key difference between experiences (s2) and
(v2) is that (s2) is collectively agreed upon among all human beings
whereas (v2) is specific to an individual; therefore the two cannot be
assigned the same degree/level of reality. If only individual experience
can be communicated and shared with others so that the same experience can
then be experienced by the others as well, as in the case of a mirage
phenomenon, then and then alone the possibility of verification and
validation can be arrived at - even the possibility of teaching/learning in
guru shishya parampara requires this feature characteristic of any
experience/anubhava that a shishya may wish to have checked by one's guru -
while (s2) is fixed, (v2) can be anywhere between (s2) & (s3) !
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Rao <https://www.facebook.com/Nagendra.S.Rao?hc_location=ufi> i fully agree
with you the futility of introducing additional concepts like tureeyaateeta
etc; even the concept of tureeya itself is questionable, i suppose . . . of
course, i do not know, since i do not claim to have any such experience or
such so called states or whatever . . . all i know is the set of three
states - waking, sleep and dream states, which i guess i have experienced!
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I suggest contemplation on the Witness of the 3 States, shuddha caitanya
which is my real nature.
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questions are valid, since they are from an astika jijnasu.

They have been more than adequately answered in the Samkara Bashyam on the
Mandukya Karikas.

It is important that you understand that I had nearly the same observations
some 39 years ago, when I started studying the Bhashyas. So do most serious
jijnasus.

Iswaranugraham seems to be kicking in, since we first discussed. It is time
that you start Mandukya Bhashya adhyayana with a srotriya teacher at the
same time increasing the regularity and rigor of your dainika anusthana.

This will give you the integrative unitive vision. You also have the ankula
because of your location. Ramakrishna Sharma
<https://www.facebook.com/dr.srk.sharma?hc_location=ufi> would be a good
resource person (I think) for starters. The others are in Bangalore.

I am not being facetious. More by personal note.

Shambhave Namah
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<https://www.facebook.com/keshavaprasadahalemane?fref=ufi&rc=p> My beloved
nAgEndra ji: . . . i remember distinctly well that during my initial
interactions with you, i used to be put off by your comments about the
teekShNa-buddhi & sUkShma-buddhi stuff as well as the tapO-bala &
anuShTAna-bala stuff; but i find that now it just simply comes in as some
sweet musical rhyme . . . dhanyOsmi.
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<https://www.facebook.com/keshavaprasadahalemane?hc_location=ufi> you have
begun the process. It is a long one from floundering shiftless, confused
sadhaka through committed mumukshu to vimarsanasheela jijnasu.

Being burdened / blessed (obverse and reverse of same coin) with a premium
intellect and a senior professor, if you may remember I made you do a most
non intellectual thing - trip to Nerur and the adhisthana to seek the
blessings of the great Sri Sadasiva Brahmendra Saraswati, renowned
classical musician and author of Atma Vidya Vilasa, Brahma Sutra Vrtti,
Yoga Sutra Vrtti et.al.

There was some small method to my madness. I dealt with you the way
Mahasannidhanam of Sringeri did with me decades ago.

We are not all that different you know. I just had the purva janma sukruta
to meet Mahasannidhanam when I was 20.

“For the colonel’s lady an’ Judy O’Grady,
Are sisters under their skins.”

RUDYARD KIPLING (1865-1936)
BARRACK-ROOM BALLADS, INTRODUCTION
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<https://www.facebook.com/keshavaprasadahalemane?fref=ufi&rc=p> My beloved
nAgEndra ji; you know and i know, that you had several times earlier,
suggested to go and get guidance from this one here and the other one
there; but i have been simply staying steadfast here; not inclined to seek
anything from anyone, at least for the time being. When IT comes, IT SHALL
COME HERE wherever I AM, although i have always been usually open to all
possibilities. By the way, do you have any link to any easily downloadable
reliable authentic material on Mandukya Karika with Shankara Bhashya . . .
? [preferably with samkRtam/dEvanAgari + English commentary / explanation /
etc]
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example, i remember i sought after getting a copy of that book "God
Realization Through Reason" by Swami Iswarananda of Sri RamaKrishna Mission
Trichur . . . and by God's Grace i could not only get a copy but also
managed to send you a scanned version of the same . . .
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this sadas, where great scholars are discussing, I'm too naive to qualify
for any discussion, kindly discard, if my level & depth of knowledge isn't
as intense as yours. I'm catching up much later & might be repeating what
someone in the discussion might have already said.

Shivashankar Rao
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On karmakandi, one tarka is, if karta identifies 'himself' in karya (Nitya
anushthana we say, mamopartha samastha.....prathasandhya 'karishye ('I'
do)')...here the doer identifies himself, then with the action and karma
phala?? Can It still find the true knowledge staying in gross Identified
level (Doer /action /result /expectations)??
Isn't true a gyani or jigyasu transcends these stages and with vairagya
begins the search of true knowledge, that alone could be the easiest path
of finding moksha (I'm not saying karmaanushtana is not needed). Adi
shankara bhagavadpaada, postulated the path of Atmachintanam/Atmavichara
over karmaanushtaanam AND WAS FULLY AWARE OF THE IMPACT OF KALA PRAVARTHI
TO MAKE IT SIMPLER (LAGHU).
What was possible in treta yuga or dwapara yuga, can't be considered
replicate-able in KALI YUGA. Kala dosham has its own share. Can anyone
dream of Vajapeyam or Ashwametham?? Thus, Karmakandam is difficult to be
adopted as path to finding True Knowledge.
To the main discussion started by Sri Nagendra S. Rao
<https://www.facebook.com/Nagendra.S.Rao?hc_location=ufi> I feel, we must
seek what AGAMA SHASTRAM prescribes & its purpose?
From there, if we know the objective of the existence of deity and temple,
then the discussion can move on to larger benefits of being including
dwipade & Chatushpade (I must agree there have been some fantastic
discussion & with my little knowledge, I try to refocus the core question).
To me, the kala chakram & its prabhavam needs to be accounted in any
discussion.
Bhavam of every individual with which he/she treats his lifestyle is also
critical to the discussion. Today, the bhavam is so very diluted. As
someone stated, the visit to temple is like an outing. With this bhavam,
one can get sundal (Prasadam) not sannidhanam.
Vedas & their amazing interpretation by mahan acharyaas, prescribe path of
least resistance to the moksha. The path of least resistance is at
intellectual level and untiring persistent search for the truth. Till the
state of sat-chit-ananda. Other marga, like namavali too gets you there but
the medium and route may take longer to reach the goal.

Another critical aspect is Vairagya. Do we have vairagya to stick to those
paths of success (whichever chosen) ? Today the vairagya is fragile. At
least I must concede that I'm not able to hold on to strong vairgaya.
Smaller ones like upavasam, nitya anushthanam are still manageable. But the
need to raise the bar needs bigger vairagya & uni-focus. This i believe,
can be practiced by association of mahan / Guru & satsangi.
Beyond tarka, vichara vimarshana, do we see an trigger to an action for us
to elevate ourselves to newer level of intellect??
This discussion is so engrossing & vivid that I've touched too many points.
PS: kindly excuse if I sound novice. This is my first post in this
discussion.
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nAgEndra ji: it turns out that by ISwaraanugraha along with your blessings
today i could lay my hands on a four volume set of printed-book version of
the pravachan/talks by Paramapujya Maharajshree Swami Sri Akhandananda
ji saraswati
published by Satsahitya Prakashana Trust; of course i had purchased them
some time ago, but after getting guidance from you to keep away all such
books, i had sincerely kept them aside in a corner. The only problem (that
i knew all along) is that my grasp of hindi language is at best elementary;
but i wish/pray that i can get the best out of a sincere study of the same,
with your blessings. Now, i see that after all the language is not all that
difficult to follow.
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Bala Balasubramanian <https://www.facebook.com/bala4391?fref=ufi&rc=p> An
excellent discussion and elucidation of the issues. Given the advances in
rationalist thinking these days, taking into account the concept of Desa,
Kala and Vartamana, may I offer a suggestion that may somewhat address the
present position: why not offer a Spiritual Warning to people at each place
of worship and on their web sites, to the effect it might be injurious to
women or underrated or overages people to visit the temple and do what
others do? This is like the statutory warning against smoking or tobacco,
and somewhat similar to he Comply or Explain rule that regulators follow in
several,countries. Let's get away from prescribing exclusions and move
towards explaining why and leaving the decision to the people concerned.
Unless, such inclusions are injurious to others, like the secondary or
indirect ill facts of smoking on others in the vicinity here prescription
with reasons might be necessary.
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Balasubramanian <https://www.facebook.com/bala4391?hc_location=ufi> Sir,
while your well intentioned suggestion is sensible, I am afraid the matter
is not quite so simple.

This is not like telling people that smoking is very injurious to your
health. Don't or suffer the consequences.

The fact is when unadhikaris, or those not having the competence enter such
temples they psychically and spiritually pollute the place FOR OTHERS. This
damages the effectiveness of the temple to be helpful to all other people.
This is EXACTLY like second hand smoke damaging others in addition to
oneself.

Superficial rationalist thinking is not and SHOULD NOT be the criterion in
such cases. Just like uninformed rationalist thinking is not and should not
be permitted to make medical safety decisions.

It is the agama sastras and dharma sastras which are the authorities in
these matters, not half baked western educated, rationalists totally
ignorant of the psychic and spiritual effects of certain actions and temple
practices.

A woman in season who enters a tantric temple or a Subramanya temple not
only may injure herself, she also psychically and spiritually pollutes the
place for other
sadhakas.

To give you an example until as recently as 25 years ago western medical
science was utterly and totally ignorant and did not believe that the mind
could affect the body and vice versa.

Mind and body were supposed to be totally independent and autonomous
systems. Today we know how wrong and ignorant those western medical
opinions were. Harvard Medical School, Mayo Clinic, Rockefeller University
all acknowledge their error, and are vastly less arrogant and receptive
about Indian, Chinese and Eastern integrated mind-body medical curative and
diagnostic methods.

Charaka and Susruta knew this some 2500 years ago according to the Charaka
and Susruta Samhitas.

Decades ago when I left for the monastery while doing Wharton doctoral work
in Finance, I have had personal experience of what happens when these
guidelines on nishedas are violated by O so emancipated western educated
rationalist thinkers of the Kalburgi genre.

That being said these observations are not meant to and should not be used
to deny temple entry to dalits and panchamas based on specious deshachara
and kalachara practices with no authority or precedent from authentic
dharma sastras, kalpa sutras, and agama sastras.

I fully realize and appreciate racist and sexist people will try to use
these arguments to reinforce their discriminatory and exclusionary
practices based on nothing more than their ancient, hereditary prejudices.

The solution is not to use western uninformed and crude criteria for
evaluation in such matters. Let us use unprejudiced and krtopasaka astika
methods of evaluation.

In most cases the excrescences on REAL Hindu religious practices you will
find have no precedent at all in our ancient sastras.

Shambhave Namah.
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S. Rao <https://www.facebook.com/Nagendra.S.Rao?hc_location=ufi> - thanks
very much indeed for this excellent explanatory response. I agree. If there
is the slightest possibility of passive or secondary impairment, there is
no question that the action (or inaction) should be prohibited in public
interest. The larger good of the greater number being more important than
the injury or inconvenience to a smaller number of the people concerned. To
issues arise though: the first is the need for generally acceptable proof
of impairment to the many; and the second is, granting such proof, the need
for providing reasonable 'recompense' to those who claim to. E impaired.
Your detailed reasoning to my mind meets the first; that still leaves us
with the second issue. Is there some way the affected people's grievance
can be addressed? I dare say that most of the agitators in the present case
may not have visited any temple in the recent past! They are fighting for a
cause, of equality and freedom. They should of course be reminded that
their freedom is clearly circumscribed by the freedom of others and hence
not absolute. But theoretically, is there some compensatory solution that
our Shastras allow?
Once again, I appreciate and greatly value the response you have provided.
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Balasubramanian <https://www.facebook.com/bala4391?hc_location=ufi> Sir,
how shall I put this without hurting your feelings. Or your feeling that
you are being talked down to and summarily dismissed???

You are trying to apply a quintessentially and totally inappropriate
business analytical model here.

The analogy of trying to fit a square peg in a round hole beautifully
applies here.

Or a better example. Advaita Vedanta has an intellectual cachet. So it is
all the rage these days for IIM, Wharton, Harvard Business School et.al. to
start pushing Stress Reduction and Vedanta type courses.

Advaita is about atma sakshatkara and has almost nothing to do with
effective stress reduction, except at an exceedingly abstract theoretic
level for those with purva janma sukruta and iha janma anusthana. But such
courses sell.

And this is exactly what our sickular libtard, Adarsh Liberal Nehruvian
Hindus only in name routinely do.

This is why there has been massive pushback from real, orthodox professing
Hindus and Modi won his crushing electoral victory.

This is also why Harvard, Wharton, Princeton, Yale, MIT, Stanford and
Oxbridge educated people are now dealing themselves in on the side of the
RSS, leading to squealing like stuck p**s on the part of traditional
leftist anti Hindu wallahs. This never happened in the past.

Having said that, let me hasten to add that honestly I don't think you are
of this genre. YOU MEAN WELL but you are attempting to wrestle with issues
for which you would seem prima facie to have little background, training or
experience, attempting to use good (western) theoretic frameworks which
unfortunately have no relevance or utility. I WOULD WELCOME BEING PROVED
WRONG. Someone like you could do so much for the cause.

Speaking in your business lingo which I discarded when I left behind IIMC
and Wharton, you are attempting to use a class of business models which
cannot and will not fit the data points.

Now you can either keep on trying to force fit models which cannot or will
not deliver. Or you can spend some time and energy to do some study of a
different kind so you become familiar with a totally different class of
models and conceptual framework of a different type which will be a better
fit. The choice is yours.

Why I am bothering to answer this at all is that unfortunately most of our
sickular libtard IAS wallahs making decisions also are in the same boat as
you are.

MOST OF THEM ARE NOT AS SINCERE AS YOU SEEM TO BE.

So as a professor at an elite institution what do you do when someone comes
in with inadequate background making it unlikely that they will be able to
benefit from your advanced coursework? More appropriately in your case of a
person with significant experience who wants to switch fields?

Why you send them to Summer School for remedial / accelerated coursework of
course.

If memory serves me right you are in IIM Bangalore. If you are seriously
interested in this beyond passing dilettante intellectual curiousity I can
suggest references of people who can give you some background briefing. I
have both good natured advanced fellow travellers and sishyas in India who
can help.

May Iswara be with you in all things.

Cheers.

Shambhave Namah.
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thing is to ascertain the genuineness, the sincerity, the inner longing,
the devotional drive, that demands for such rights . . . it is essential to
eliminate all external intruders whose only intention is to cause a
turmoil, a disturbance, rather a chaos, in an otherwise peaceful harmonious
system . . . after having ascertained that, the next step is to go through
a series of dialogues, discussions, debate, etc to convince or get
convinced by whoever are demanding such equal rights etc . . .
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govt must take up the responsibility of maintaining strict law & order for
peaceful & harmonious congregation of the sincere devotees in places of
worship [whether temple, church or mosque or gurudwara etc] but must not
interfere in the policies & administration of such places of worship [even
the temples be left alone untouched] except on issues that cause national
security concerns etc. and deal with what complaints are lodged by
concerned individuals/groups/parties in a transparent manner without
politicizing the issues, etc . . . just as medical expert opinion is sought
after by a court-of-law from appropriate SMEs, similarly issues related to
dharma, temples, etc must be taken up for discussion through consultations
with appropriate SMEs . . . however, i have a different opinion about the
very idea of SME itself - they can be heavily biased - and therefore the
SMEs must be made responsible & answerable to the intellectual commoners
whose every question needs to be convincingly addressed by such SMEs . . .
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agree about the rigidities and biases of SMEs.

That is why in the old traditions you had the great panditas, often more
learned than the Shankaracharyas, but it is the srotriya brahmanistha
Acharya who had the final say.
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question is how do we establish, accept, acknowledge, or at least
recognize, such great authorities - srotriya brahmanistha Acharya - and how
can the masses be convinced of the same, in a modern democratic society . .
. not a black-&-white situation . . .
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have the court-of-law for legal matters, we need to have some equivalent in
matters pertaining to dharma . . . may be in ancient days they had such a
thing . . . we need to re-establish such a system . . . that is to address
the demands (for equal rights etc] of genuine seekers, after having
eliminated all possibilities of external influences etc [which must be
taken up by the appropriate legal-justice-system of the country] . . .
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easy to talk about the so called ideal implied by "separation of state &
church" . . . but where in the world has such an ideal established in
practice . . . nowhere except as words on records/books and in speeches . .
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again for your consideration. No sir, I am not hurt. Despite my 81 years,
and my current profession as a researcher and teacher, I have always
considered myself as a student willing to learn from any eminent source,
whether from the west or east, hoary past or the turbulent present.
Sir, we live in a society that imposes on every citizen at least three
identities: a national identity, a religious (including atheistic) identity
and an individual identity, in that order. The primacy of the national
identity requires me to follow certain principles, like accepting equality
among people and so on. In the instant case under discussion, my religious
identity enjoins me to deny that equality to a large section of the people
on the basis of their gender, on the very valid grounds you have so well
and lucidly articulated. How does one overcome this problem? I believe
there is nothing Nehruvian or other despicable influences about this
dilemma. Welfare, material and spiritual, of the people I thought had
always been the basis of history, whether by the monarchs of the past or
the rulers of the present, though I will be the first to admit that
breaches of this duty has been rampant before and now.
Unless we go back and scrap the constitution, which is an unlikely
scenario, I don't know how we can escape dealing with the kind of
situations that dog us now, and I am sure will equal dog us in future. It
boils down to the question of primacy: is the State or the Religion that
should take precedence in governing our rights and duties. Clearly, the
ongoing argument about the rights of Islamic women in terms of marriage and
divorce is a case in point. Muslim clergy would claim primacy of its
religion over national identity, and we will soon see how the judiciary
resolves this issue. Our discussion in this exchange of posts I see is
taking similar turns where we are grappling with the principles postulated
by our religious dharma and the postulates of the constitutional dharma are
seen to be at loggerheads.
Notwithstanding the differences in our approach, I wish to reiterate that I
respect your views and am grateful for the wisdom you bring to these
discussions. In the interests of amity and welfare of this great nation of
ours, I wish the highest court of last resort in the country will soon
pronounce its verdict and further it is my hope that the religious and
political leaders of the country in all its denominations will accept the
identity hierarchy and proceed accordingly.
I also thank the other illustrious personalities who have joined this
discussion and offered further enlightenment for all of us to reflect upon
and internalise. Namaste!
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think sooner or later we knock at that door . . . and wish to see it happen
. . . "separation of 'state'-&-'church'" as they call it in western world .
. . of course, it is an ideal . . . however, in practice it can only be
approximated by an appropriately designed constitution [not just by
declaring it so but by ensuring it's realization at least in an approximate
sense] . . . why i mention about approximation . . . because there
were/are/will be regions/issues of fuzzy overlap, wherein either of them
may claim superiority over the other [even when such a system is broadly
accepted - remember Islam may not accept even the idea of such a
separation; sanaatana-dharma principles are broad enough that many of its
fundamentals regarding governance/jurisprudence can easily be
established/justified/practised in any rational intellectual social
environment] . . . then the question arises as to who calls the shots to
decide about one's boundaries of jurisprudence so to say . . . IMHO the
sanaatanis would accept it to be left to the highest legal-justice-system
[supreme court] . . . but others may not . . .
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then the best route is . . . Uniform Civil Code . . . for all residents of
the country . . . with carefully worded sections to guard against all
anti-nationals in every possible disguise . . . let that be the FIRST STEP
. . . later we will have a chance to assess the entire situation in due
course . . .
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one goes deep into it; it is indeed that - individual self identifying with
the universal SELF - is the expected ultimate limit in one's evolving
identity . . . however, here we are in a situation wherein an ancient hindu
society practising sanaatana dharma got subjected to continued attacks from
external forces as well as internal turmoils, that it has come to a stage
wherein it demands its true identity to be upheld, maintained/sustained and
continued . . . it is quite different from the various other social groups
who happen to espouse some foreign belief-systems [i would rather use that
term than 'dharma'/religion/etc here] may be because of some earlier
subjugation of their forefathers, and now demand that they have equal
rights in this land, and that they wish to establish their new found
belief-system here in this ancient land of sanaatana-dharma . . . that is
precisely the problem . . . a conflict between the belief-systems - one of
them being the natural inhabitant of this land and the other one being that
which has been espoused by some groups but basically foreign to the land -
at least as we reckon in terms of the historical time units related to
those . . . the judgment between the two is after all not very difficult to
arrive at, except for purely political reasons . . .
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idea of a "hindu/Xtian society but a secular state" . . . is only a wishful
dream, it is not so even in the u s a . . . although some may claim it so .
. . at best it may be realized only in the books [constitution, etc] but
not as practised, not as perceived, not as can be lived, therein . . .
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Bala Balasubramanian Sir:

I am really charmed and taken by the maturity and secular wisdom evinced in
your answer. You are more than a decade older than me. YoBu have the
dignity, maturity, and calm dispassion of a bygone era which I revere. It shows
all over the place. Vidya-vinaya-sampanne brahmane gavi hastini suni caiva
sva-pake capanditah sama-darsinah,
from the Gita.

My / our culture RIGHTLY requires me to treat you with respectful
deference, no matter what, except where the protection of Dharma is
involved. This is especially so when age is coupled with your very evident
panditya, wisdom and old world courtliness. This is even more so when you
are speaking in a clinically antiseptic way on purely socio-political
matters. In such matters I would sine die leave the field to you

Your current note deals with purely secular matters in a conceptual
framework which is very valid. More importantly, I do not have to defend
Dharma and sastradharita acaram which are not involved here at all. Hence,
I agree in toto with the points you have raised with such clarity.

“Sir, we live in a society that imposes on every citizen at least three
identities: a national identity, a religious (including atheistic) identity
and an individual identity, in that order”.

Sri Bala Balasubramanian Sir, I particularly appreciate the inclusiveness
evinced in your above statement including atheistic – the Nirisvara Samkhya
vadins and Purva Mimamsakas, particularly Bhatta mimamsakas of the six
standard canons of Hindu nee Sanatana Dharma philosophy are avowedly
atheistic. This is not generally known except to people who are scholars
and those who have studied our religion according to sampradaya and
parampara, tradition and lineage. It really does not matter which –
Vaishnava / Shaiva / Shakta / Bauddha / Jaina / Sikh / Lingayat or whatever.

I agree with your / this excellent framework with one slight caveat, if I
may.

My caveat is about the last three words of your statement “In that order”.
This IMHO is not an absolute. It depends on desha, kala, avastha
parichinnatva. Every Muslim and many Christians are TOTALLY OPPOSED to “a
national identity, a religious (including atheistic) identity and an
individual identity, in that order”. You have yourself earlier stated this.
Muslims say their religious identity comes first and this leads,
particularly in the case of conservative Muslims to extra territorial
loyalty and commitment. Gandhi and Nehru tried to sweep this under the
carpet by eternally expecting Hindus to back down.

The wretched Gandhi in particular followed a craven policy of asking Hindus
to forever concede everything to get supercilious Islamic acquiescence.
This until they felt ready and able to enforce their religious and
political world view through genocide, rape, murder and loot, as is
religiously permissible in the Koran, the Hadith and the Sunnah. The
emerging nation-state of ISIS / ISIL is the classic 21st century
manifestation of this millennial Islamic ethos across the globe, from its
inception under the Paigamber / Prophet in the 7th century.

Yes, in a nation-state with a mixture of religions and immiscible cultural
values there are only two solutions. Seperation with the compatible
elements getting together and going their own ways. This is the model
Pakistan tried under Quaid e Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah for Muslims. For the
most part the nation-state of Pakistan today is an international basket
case and terrorist haven. Sunnis and Shias are at war with each other. Both
are bent on exterminating the Ahamadiyyas, and Baha'is as apostates of
Islam, and Hindus for good measure since they are the hated kafir
mushrikeen.

The other solution is to try to develop a livable composite culture where
there are people of all religious, social, cultural, values consent to live
and work together. This is the model of India, the United States and after
millennia of being Christian (hating Jews) modern day heavily secular
Europe.

In such a modern state of composite cultural values, there has to be a
secular national identity for everyone, which is paramount. So your
analysis model is valid and robust here, as I have stated in the beginning.
There will be eternal conflict at a subliminal level, that is the nature of
samsara according to Hinduism anyway, philosophically speaking. But this
conflict will be manageable if people of all religions are agreeable to
subordinating their religious identities to the national identity.

Where the problem lies in India today is that a large number of Muslims do
not agree to subordinating religious identity to national identity. They
view India as unfinished business of Dar ul Harb where the primacy of
Sharia Law for everyone in the end, and at least for Muslims NOW must
prevail. And they will use ruthless force, and subterfuge to achieve this,
permissible according to the Islamic al Taqiyyah doctrine of deceit in war.
Christians have had similar doctrines rigorously applied in medieval times,
c.f. Bishop Eusebius, First Historian of the Christian Church and a series
of ethnocentric Popes.

For the most part because of the flexible inclusive nature of Hinduism nee
Sanatana Dharma, subsuming a religious identity to a national identity has
never been a problem for Hindus. Of course there are those who speak of a
Hindu Rashtra or a Uber Alles Brihat Bharat through some form of Hitlerian
Anschluss. These are a minority who gain strength due to noted Islamic and
Christian intransigence.

Why there is a rub in India today is that Hindus as was done for millennia
are being asked to submerge their religious identity to a national
identity, but the same is NOT expected of Muslims or Christians, at least
to anywhere near the same extent. Under now totally discredited,
regressive, Gandhian-Nehruvian policies aggressive Muslims and Christians
are being permitted to bend, nay force due Indian constitutional processes
to make the Indian nation-state to conform to their limited, exclusionary
world view.

For the first time in millennia Hindus under the incoming PM Modi
administration are standing up and saying they do not agree to this, no
matter the earlier Gandhian-Nehruvian-Marxist Hindu suppressing twaddle.

Today Hindus are saying, openly and forcefully that the Indian nation-state
must stop meddling in Hindu temple administration and Hindu religious
customs and values, WHILE ALLOWING MUSLIMS AND CHRISTIANS TO OPENLY DO WHAT
THEY PLEASE. In the totally one sided and unjust Indian constitutional
policies forced down Hindu throats by Gandhian-Nehruvian pressure, mosques
and churches are sacrosanct where as Hindu temples and their monies are
under open season for loot by secular, corrupt governments. You are an
educated man and you know the disastrous consequences of the ahem modest
intellect Rajiv Gandhi’s short sighted Muslim appeasing Shah Bano political
decision, in naked contravention of the clear Supreme Court of India
decision.

It would be best if the Islamic and Christian religious and socio-political
sub cultures of India accept that the era of suppressing Hindu aspirations,
while giving free reign to their values is forever over. There must be real
give and take by all religions.

In the future, it can not and will not be that Hindus will eternally give
and Muslims and Christians eternally take per implicitly advocated and
condoned Gandhian-Nehruvian-Marxist policies of a bygone era. If they don’t
then there will be decades of strife.

Since Hindus are by nature pacifist and willing to compromise it won’t be a
genocidal blood bath as in Syria or Indonesia in the past. However, it will
not be pleasant either. The renascent 21st century Indian Hindu youth have
had enough of failed, totally one-sided Gandhian-Nehruvian policies of the
past. They will not and should not be silent!

It would be well therefore for mature, elder statesmen like you who pride
yourselves in being secularist Indians first (WHICH I ADMIRE ONLY IN THIS
CONTEXT) to understand the changed 21st century reality in India. Work
towards ensuring a truly equitable triple social identity of the kind, IN
THE ORDER that you have advocated. DO NOT try to make this a covert
exercise of business as usual where naïve, accommodating Hindu sheep will
eternally concede as was nauseatingly advocated by Gandhi. This lead to his
(regrettable) forcible elimination from the Indian religio-socio-political
scene.

There is much more that I would like to add or say about the third
component of your paradigm, viz individual identity and its implications
for the smooth functioning of the socio-cultural body politic of the
nation-state. But I will refrain to not make this note overlong.

Once again in closing, Sir, I must thank you for providing a sober forum in
which things can be objectively discussed. I would hope and like to think
that I have answered your reaching out in the spirit in with which you made
it. And yes, without the traditional de rigueur subservience required of
Hindus in such matters.

Jai Hind

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for your illuminating response. I admire your scholarship and your facility
in articulating with clarity. Age differences notwithstanding, I bow before
your erudition and conviction.
Just for the record, it is never my case that Hindus must always give in
and other religions should always be the beneficiaries of often
unreasonable demands. I am trying to argue that everyone desiring to live
in India or seeking Indian citizenship (with its rights and obligations)
must accept the primacy of their Indian national identity. To the extent
the obligations of such identity are not compromised, I believe the
(second) religious identity should have free and uninhibited play. My
readings and understanding of the Indian Constitution and it's making
process leave me in no doubt that this is the hierarchy of identities that
was intended by our constitution-makers. I hope our Supreme Court will also
read it the same way when it delivers its judgement in the current
litigation.
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if there are religions that negate your very first demand, and I quote <<I
am trying to argue that everyone desiring to live in India or seeking
Indian citizenship (with its rights and obligations) must accept the
primacy of their Indian national identity. >>? And that is what one is
dealing with when we talk of Christianity & Islam.
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conscious of the possibility - nay, reality- of individuals or groups
refusing to accept the primacy of national identity over their religious or
other identity. To my mind, after due process of discussion and peaceful
persuasion, if the refusal persists, then they need to be given the option
of falling in line or foregoing their Indian citizenship and with its, all
the rights and benefits that citizenship implies. For one could not hope to
enjoy the benefits without concomitantly accepting the obligations. I
realise the consequences will be dire, I regret one will be driven to
inflict such "danda" on one's own brothers and sisters born and bred
alongside with the mainstream citizens.
Two related points: In conformity with the prescribed rule of law, one will
have to go through the civilised judicial process before the final verdict
is inflicted on the dissenting individuals or groups; and, the executive
should have the will and strength to implement the decision sympathetically
but firmly and swiftly. This is where the weaknesses of the present day
Kings are likely to be exposed. A State which does not deal with deviant
behaviour swiftly and ruthlessly will soon loose the respect of the people
and sooner than later run the risk of being ignored and overthrown.
I hope I have answered the very relevant question raised. I do not wish to
spell out in detail what such de-citizens get of people would involve as it
will be speculative at this stage. My since hope is that if the Judiciary
rules on these lines and the State exhibits its intention to implement the
consequences, the dissenters would see the writing on the wall and fall in
line. This may sound optimistic but I pray it happens and all could live in
peace together.
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I may humbly say so, you are taking an academician and theoretician's
standpoint.

I am a dirt under the fingernails person who has had to deliver on the
bottomline in extremely trying circumstances. I think in terms of pragmatic,
operational brass tacks. India and Hindus do not have the luxury of
abstract theoretician's thinking of the kind that you so ably articulate in
this critical time.

There is a saying in the US, "When you are upto your a**e in alligators, it
becomes difficult to remember that one's objective was to clear the swamp".
The abstractions you are speaking of are relevant once we have put out the
fire consuming the house.

Since you are an academic I am sure you have read Dr. Samuel P.
Huntington's classic On the Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of
World Order. That is hear and now in the 21st century. I earnestly believe
that we have to address these matters today and leave abstractions for the
moment.

I spent my time in decades past on prior non-existence, posterior
non-existence, mutual non-existence and absolute non-existence - are they
the same or are they different. It is my humble conviction that we don't
have the time for abstractions at this time.

Let us not try to untie the Gordian Knot. Let us solve the problem like
Alexander the Great by taking up the sword and slicing it in two.

Shambhave Namah!
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<https://www.facebook.com/shivashankar.rao.50?fref=ufi&rc=p> REFORMS
MOVEMENTS IN SANATANA DHARMA:-
The secret of the survival instinct of Hinduism is the scientific spirit
exhibited throughout history. Whenever there was an upheaval, it has
responded vigorously, intelligently and prudently. It is this vitality that
gave birth to the various reform movements.

The Upanishadic sages were the first reformers. When the Rigvedic religion
deteriorated to a maze of sacrifices, the sages rejected them and advised
meditation and knowledge of the Atman.

Lord Krishna was the second reformer. He brought out a balance and harmony
among the Jnaana, Bhakti and Karma disciplines. His declaration of the
nishkaama karma concept was his greatest contribution.

The third in this line was by Mahaaveera and Buddha. They substituted dry
logic with simple moral and ethical principles in order to achieve peace
and joy here and now. However, these were misunderstood and it resulted in
the desertion of vedic religion.

Shankara took birth at this stage to resuscitate and reestablish sanatana
dharma. He erased several ambiguities in the practices. He reformed several
practices by introducing the six systems of worship(shanmathas as they are
called), Panchaayatana pooja etc., and avoided the animal sacrifice and
brought all those who believed int he vedic tradition under a single
umbrella.

Next stage was a series of invasion by outside forces. There were a lot of
changes because of this in the social and religious fields.
In this critical period, several spiritual leaders came up and protected
our religion by bringing in several new concepts like bhakti movement etc.,
This is the fifth reform movement.

With the advent of the British, there was a planned import of the cultural
and religious ideas from the west.
Then, the sixth reform movement became necessary.
Raja Ram mohan Roy, Swami Dayanand Saraswati, Mahadev Goinda Ranade,
Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Swami Vivekananda were some of the important
leaders.
So, Sanatana Dharma regained balance.
This effort continued under Ramana Maharshi, Aurobindo and a few
institutions like Ramakrishna Mission, Chinmaya Mission, Divine Life
society etc.

THE PRESENT PROBLEM
During the recent past, Hindu society has not been capable of raising to
the required levels.
Caste animosities including the practice of untouchability became rampant.
The rise of Indian Nationalism is not up to the mark. Infatuation with the
glamour of western nations has resulted in aping their customs and manners
at the cost of old and time tested values. Family bonds are getting
loosened. There is damage to the psyche of children and the aged are being
neglected.
There has been an aggressive posture by Semitic religions. Proselytism is
uprooting the cultural and national moorings. Hindu society has become a
soft target for aggressive propagators of these religions.
There is an urgent need to provide a new look to the Hindu society. Hindus
have to be HINDUISED.
It is also necessary to remove the irrelevant aberrations. It is in this
context that we should consider removal of weeds in our beliefs. Some of
them have already been removed by our ancestors and some more are still
there. The people who can think have to consider these.
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think sanaatana-dharma looks for reforms driven from outside; it can mend
itself very well from within itself . . . what we are talking about is an
external agency driving and pushing for whatever reforms they wish to
manipulate in sanaatana-dharma . . . and it is not going to be any reform,
it is simply intrusion if not invasion . . . venomous attack is a better
term for such activities
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brilliant, sober and thoughtful as always. What can I say? I take my hat
off to you (that I do not wear).

Even though you are modest, you qualify as a srotriya in the sense of
'srotriyam brahmanistham gurum eva abhigacchet of the Mundaka Upanisad,
better than most / any of us. May I ask you to consider also suggesting a
solution - even if it is not agreed to or cut down, it will become the
basis of informed discussion. It will remain at the samvada level and will
not deteriorate into vada, vidanda or jalpa.

Shambhave Namah
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with great interest and concentration. Very informative, pragmatic and
unbiased analysis! I enjoyed reading it!
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Shivashankar Rao, please permit me to felicitate you on a very perceptive
and informative post. More power to your pen.
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Well..brilliantly
sketched out d entire time journey of Sanatan dharma...
Hwevr d nxt phase in its revival u missed in d form of Thought Revolution
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Hwevr i want to askcan u tellme wat is meant by sanatan dharma n hw do u
explain it in present day scientific context....wid logic for its practical
application plan n path in life.?
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Satyam Singham <https://www.facebook.com/dgtlsam?fref=ufi&rc=p> I believe
RSS n Iskcon like organyzsns too r working somwat towrds d purpose in n out
of Bharat.... jst a matter of tym bfor truth triumphs yet again.
Sanatan Satyamev Jayate.
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(Sanatanadharma) is like a noble mother who cares for all her children
including those that deny her.
Heretics like atheist, agnostic, even a blasphemer are not punished, but
IGNORED. In course of time, if they repent, they have a chance of redeeming
themselves.
Hinduism is a comprehensive system incorporating in itself all aspects of
human life- philosophy, religion, ethics, all facets of culture (arts,
science and literature). Saamanya dharmas like ahimsa, satya, asteya, daya,
titiksha, vinaya, indriya nigraha, self control, shanti, shoucha, Tapas and
bhakti are the ones which train a person to tune his life to be in harmony
with the society.
But the samskaras which purifiy and refine the psychic personality prepare
him to refine his own life. Hinduism accepts the existence of God and
posits him as the final goal of our life.It places many paths before us to
suit persons of different temperaments, but all of them lead to the same
experience of that God. It provides us emotional satisfaction through
rituals and festivals. Recognising the shortcomings of the human intellect,
Hinduism recognises finality of the Vedas. Hinduism which is considered as
a way of life that helps to elevate oneself is better than a religion that
makes an individual dogmatic and anti every body else!!!
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Satyam Singham <https://www.facebook.com/dgtlsam?fref=ufi&rc=p> True...well
said Sir. In n out.

God is d summation of all noble qualities...to b manifested in life thru
behaviour on d practical plane. We hav a project over this wid relation to
d 24 letters of Gayatri Mantra .. depicting 24 sadhguns.. making it Universal
Mother...wich none can deny.. As qualities r not material..they r
indestructible n Universal... hence Sanatan... n the path to follow n
attain them ..Sanatan Dharm.!! Wichever way one takes.. all dogmas..sects
.. sampradays... etc ..in d end r holding one or d other qualities ..n
focussed upon manifesting it fully..knowingly or unknowingly.... _/\_ Om.
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CONFUSIONS IN UNDERSTANDING HINDUISM:-HINDUISM IS NOT IDOLATRY.(IDOLS
HOWEVER ACT AS STEPPING STONES TO HIGHER MYSTICAL EXPERIENCE.). HINDUISM IS
NOT FATALISM.(IT HOWEVER PREACHES THAT ONE REAPS WHAT ONE SOWS). CASTE
SYSTEM IS BASED ON DIVISION OF LABOUR AND IS A SOCIAL ARRANGEMENT.
HINDUISM DOES NOT PREACH UNTOUCHABILITY(ALTHOUGH IT HAD BEEN PRACTICED
FIRSTLY DUE TO REASONS OF HEALTH, LATER BECAUSE OF PREJUDICES). HINDUISM IS
NOT STAGNANT ALTHOUGH IT DID STAGNATE OCCASIONALLY BECAUSE OF NON ADHERENCE
TO FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLES).

PHILOSOPHY:-

BASED ON VEDAS AND UPANISHADS, SIX SYSTEMS HAVE BEEN EVOLVED BASED ON
INTUITION AND VISION. THESE ARE CALLED DARSHANAS AND THEY DEAL WITH TOPICS
LIKE GOD, CREATION, ETHICS AND MORALITY, GOAL OF LIFE, PATH TO PERFECTION
ETC.
VEDANTA IS THE CROWING GLORY OF HINDU PHILOSOPHY. ACCORDING TO THIS, THE
SUPREME POWER PROJECTS THE UNIVERSE, SUSTAINS IT AND WITHDRAWS IT TO ITSELF
AND THAT POWER IS CALLED BRAHMAN. UPANISHADS, BRAHMASUTRAS AND THE
BHAGAVADGITA ARE CONSIDERED AS THE THREE IMPORTANT FOUNDATIONS OF
VEDANTA.(CALLED PRASTHANATRAYA).
DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS OF UPANISHADS AND BRAHMASUTRAS HAVE BROUGHT OUT
THREE MAIN BRANCHES OF VEDANTA PHILOSOPHY.
-ADVAITHA, VISHISHTADVAITA AND DVAITA. ALL THESE AGREE ON KARMA AND
REBIRTH.(AS YOU SOW, SO YOU REAP). ALL THE THREE AGREE ON TRANSMIGRATION OF
SOULS AND REBIRTH.

THE RELIGION:-

VEDANTA ACCEPTS
1. GOD IS ONE BUT CAN MANIFEST THROUGH VARIOUS NAMES AND FORMS.
2. THE FINAL GOAL OF LIFE IS GOD REALISATION.

THIS CAN BE ACHIEVED BY
1. PATH OF KNOWLEDGE (JNANA MARGA).
2. PATH OF DEVOTION (BHAKTIMARGA).
3. PATH OF DUTIES (KARMA MARGA).

THE DEITIES- TRINITY OF BRAHMA, VISHNU AND SHIVA, DEVI,GANAPATI ETC., ARE
ALL MANIFESTATIONS OF THE SAME SUPREME POWER - BRAHMAN. (THESE CAN BE
COMPARED TO THE SUGAR DOLLS WITH VARIOUS FORMS AND SHAPES GIVING THE SAME
TASTE). THESE FORMS AND THEIR MANTRAS HAVE BEEN GIVEN TO US BY A GALAXY OF
SAINTS AND SEERS.

THE IDOLS ARE AIDS TO OUR INTERNAL MEDITATION.
SAINTS LIKE RAMAKRISHNA PARAMAHAMSA HAVE SCALED GREAT SPIRITUAL HEIGHTS BY
CONTEMPLATING OR WORSHIP OF IDOLS.
(COMPARE THIS TO CHRISTIANS KNEELING BEFORE CROSS, MUSLIMS KISSING KAABA
STONE, SIKHS WORSHIPING GRANTH AND EVEN PATRIOTS SALUTING THE FLAG.).
IN THE JOURNEY TOWARDS THE FINAL GOAL OF LIFE, ONE HAS TO GO STEP BY STEP
AND NOT JUMP STEPS.
AS I POINTED OUT EARLIER, "PRATHAMA PRATIMA POOJA, JAPA STOTRAANI MADHYAMA,
UTTAM MAANASEE POOJA, SOAHAM POOJOTTAMOTTAM".

Without understanding the overall picture of the mountainous forest, if
some one says that there is confusion in it, what does it show ?
Let people not get misled.
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Satyam Singham <https://www.facebook.com/dgtlsam?fref=ufi&rc=p> Exactly n
appropriately described Revered Sir..
The qstn bt yet remains... how to manifest dat divinity in personal
life..society..state ..nation ..n world.
All cant learn all such above concepts howevr profound sublime or lofty
they r..
Our Bharat alwaz had dat knowledge..still we became India..

The point i wishd to state was : Adherence to Qualities.. ..
God is nirgun Brahm... in avyakta formm.
N in vyakta its Gunnidhan or gunnidhi..... a thing i learn quite long
ago..bt undrstud qyt late.. aftr walking the talk...
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that prize . . .
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course, his efforts in meeting the Yazidis, and many such brave acts of
his, need to be well recognized and acknowledged . . . and GoI has done it
recently by awarding him the Padma award . . . i do not know about the
politics behind the nobel prize, but IMHO it is not worth the price that
may be extracted . . .
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Nagendra S. Rao <https://www.facebook.com/Nagendra.S.Rao?fref=ufi&rc=p> It
is rumored that Sri Sri is out there standing on one leg with his tongue
hanging out for the Nobel Prize, as was Nehru in his day.

Let us be very clear. Sri Sri started the Art of Living Foundation /
Movement and he should be lauded for that and his general defense of
traditional Hinduism nee Sanatana Dharma.

That being said, Sri Sri is not and should not be considered an authority
on the Hindu Dharma Sastras. Frankly he is well meaning but Sastra Lite.
Sri Sri may be a Brahmanistha, but he most certainly is not a Srotriya
Brahmanistha in the sense of the Mundaka Upanisad.

Good examples of real srotriyas are the current Shankaracharya of Sringeri
despite his hidebound ways, and Swami Nischalananda Saraswati,
Shankaracharya of Puri. I do not say anything about their being
brahmanistha since that is a matter of acclamation and community
acceptance, there being no objective measure of the same. angel emoticon smile
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written Nagendra <https://www.facebook.com/Nagendra.S.Rao?hc_location=ufi>
ji, though I will articulate one point of you a little differently, as that
pertains to aspects of Hinduism, which is significantly different from
others.

Rather than saying "The Pope in Rome has frequently said, "The Church in
Rome is not a Democracy". Well neither is Hinduism, and least of all Islam
or Judaism." Pope is right about his side. In contrast Hinduism is highly
democratic and dialog-ic too and thus have inbuilt mechanism to reach
progressively better conclusions. This is amply evident in famous
Yam-Nachiketa, Yagnyavalkya-Matreyi and so many other dialogues sited in
scriptures.

Thus if any reform is needed within Dharma, it can be initiated, as it was
many times in past (that you sited of Patan and all of us have heard "Ekada
Namishranye Rishinam Sabhamadhye...") through a Dharma Sammelan, by a
process of deliberation from WITHIN the Larger body of Dharma. Once a
collective conclusions is reached and agreed upon, it becomes SHASTRA and
beyond Lay uninformed popular (or otherwise) opinions.

However as Indians do not have a franchise in America and French in
England, those who are not votaries of Hinduism are not allowed to vote.
And that is why people mentioned by you in comments do not count as
Votaries. The same way, the Opposition (not political but opposition to
Hinduism and Bharata as concepts) Backed Women, who have hardly ever
visited any temple, numbering few hundred odd, can not lay claim to a very
large body of Hindu Women. Like Kalavai Venkat
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elsewhere that only those who have valid provenance of adhering to Hindu
Practices over a fair period of time by rigorously practising, can be
participating in that within change. Similarly Courts should not have any
authority on the way religious matters are conducted. After all Women can
pray at many places and visit al parts of many temples, and at Shani
Temple, they are allowed to pray but not go up on one Platform, which can
hardly be called discriminatory. This is a laughable argument as we know
that without training you can not climb Mount Everest or Dive into ocean or
perform a open heart surgery or handle explosive, these are called
discretionary. Sadguru has given this point wonderfully well.
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Tripathi <https://www.facebook.com/abhitoshji?hc_location=ufi> Sir, I think
you and I agree on almost everything, if I have correctly read your cogent
and lengthy note. One can quibble for the purpose of dry scholarly
disputation, but that is not my way. That is missing the forest for the
trees.

Please do bear in mind I am sitting in America and I write for an
intelligent and well meaning but quite often sastraically woefully ignorant
audience. I have to use secular examples and role models with which they
are familiar.

It was NEVER my intent to imply that the Pope, Archbishop of Canterbury, or
Chief Alim of al Azhar University in Cairo would be definitive authorities
in any way, shape or form for Hinduism née Sanatana Dharma.

However by virtue of what you have yourself written Hinduism is not an open
democracy but more like the 'Guided Democracy' of General Ayub Khan of
Pakistan. Yes, I will agree in personal sadhana for moksha or sakshatkara
there are no imperatives nor can there be, beyond one's jnana guru's
general suggestions.

Once again thank you for your contributuon.
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Abhitosh Tripathi <https://www.facebook.com/abhitoshji?fref=ufi&rc=p> All I
am saying is this
1. Unlike Christianity especially Roman Catholics and Certainly Islam are
totalitarian and not democratic, where as Sanatan Dharma is and has a well
defined mechanism of deliberation to reach a greater truth in line with
changing circumstances.
2. Those who can participate in such a change in what is Shastra Sammat
have to be within the fold of Hinduism.
3. The definition of those who can be called to belong to level of
contribution to change, have to be Adhikaries through a wel defined process
and not by accident of birth.
4. Else I agree with everything thing else which you have posted as well as
what Sadguru is saying. smile emoticon
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even Catholicism has a similar internal process to Hinduism. It is not
nearly as top down, hierarchical and totalitarian as is made out for
purposes of argument by those against the Church. Ditto in Islam as well.
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Abhitosh Tripathi <https://www.facebook.com/abhitoshji?fref=ufi&rc=p> Sir,
I know but look at the various reforms in Hinduism are extent of them, vs
reforms in Roman Catholicism. The only reform of note that happened were as
counter to formation of Protestant Christianity and are called Counter
reformation taken up by Pope Paul III via Council of Trent (1545-1563) and
constituted focused on Institutional reforms, issues of Corrupt Bishops,
indulgences and financial abuse. The participants were a commission of
Cardinals.

Do compare it with Reformation led by Swami Dayanand and Arya Samaj in
breadth and involvement of society.
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revolutionary REFORM (as one may understand it) is required in cases where
there is INBUILT EVOLUTIONARY REFINEMENT MECHANISMS already incorporated BY
THE VERY DESIGN if one wishes to look at it that way . . .
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Abhitosh Tripathi <https://www.facebook.com/abhitoshji?fref=ufi&rc=p> And
look at the attempt to persecute Imperial diet at the City of Worms (how
very apt smile emoticon ) in 1521 to try Martin Luther who led the
Protestant Reformation. Pope excommunicated Luther and placed him under ban
of empire, anyone finding him was to arrest him.
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evolutionary refinement in sanaatana dharma, just as Swamy Dayananda
Saraswati of Arya Samaj, etc.
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sorry, i don't understand what you are saying by "sukhma bindu" . . .
anyway All My Best Wishes to You.
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recognising the facts, there were isolated incidents of some priest in a
localised manner (unlike universal Papal Decrees) opposing certain various
Saints who led the reforms, but were always relegated to footnotes of
History.
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Hinduism is more democratic and dialogue based and thus different and
mechanism of reform within Hinduism is also similar yet different in subtle
but significant ways particularly the way it is hierarchically
participatory and inclusive and evolutionary like you state. A fine point
hence Sooksma Bindu. smile emoticon
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said some sessions past in this interchange I agree with nearly everything
you have said.
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Sanjay Nambiar <https://www.facebook.com/sanjay.nambiar?fref=ufi&rc=p> I
don't think this is a brilliant answer. Talk of 'Shani' and occult
powers... I'd like to invite all you gentlemen, including the pujya
Sadguru, to the 21st century. No matter how we look at this, a woman's
right into a temple, actually ANYBODY's rights, into even the santum
sanctorum, cannot be prohibited at ANY time, period. God is here and now.
Actually, He's the only thing there is.
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Nagendra S. Rao <https://www.facebook.com/Nagendra.S.Rao?fref=ufi&rc=p> Sanjay
Namibia your contention I regret to say is so jejune, so pseudo
intellectually superficial on so many dimensions it does not merit any
attempt at comment or scholarly dialogue / samvada.
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Sanjay Nambiar <https://www.facebook.com/sanjay.nambiar?fref=ufi&rc=p> Mr.
Rao, Sorry but you won't find God in pithy semantics or pedantry. You have
to go your way and me mine. Best.
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Nagendra S. Rao <https://www.facebook.com/Nagendra.S.Rao?fref=ufi&rc=p> I
would not have bothered to say anything except you weighed in with no
evident background on a VERY public matter of temple worship. This affects
all Hindus and I deeply identify with it. Hence I decided to deal myself
in.

This is a matter of Sanatana Dharma practice, and I can not / will not
remain silent. We have had enough of this for 65+ years of Nehruvian
Gandhian and fellow traveller trashing of hallowed values.

Ex cathedra uninformed supercilious statement really got my goat.

Otherwise I could not care less!

Good luck to you.
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Sanjay Nambiar <https://www.facebook.com/sanjay.nambiar?fref=ufi&rc=p> Well
in that case, I'll reply with the Gold standard in Gurus - Two verses from
Bhagavan Ramana Maharishi's Ulladu Narpadu (Only 40). Here are verses 12 &
13. Perhaps you or your Sadhguru can try arguing with these:

12) True Knowledge is neither knowledge nor ignorance. Objective knowledge
is not true knowledge. Because the Self is self-effulgent, having no second
to know or be knows, it is Supreme knowledge - not empty nothingness.

13) The Self alone is knowledge, is Truth. Knowledge of the diversity is
ignorance, is false knowledge. Yet ignorance is not apart from the Self,
which is knowledge. Are the ornaments different from the gold which is
real.

Your Sanatana Dharma will have to take a hike. Now you will have to care
Rao!
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SaantiH SaantiH . . . why unnecessarily mix up para-vidya & apara-vidya . .
. why unnecessarily mix up paaramaarthika-satya & vyaavahaarika satya etc.
. . .
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Sanjay Nambiar <https://www.facebook.com/sanjay.nambiar?fref=ufi&rc=p> More
semantics from you gentlemen. You can slice and dice this a million. But
the Truth for you is long lost Rao and company.
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you think you have/got IT and others missed it . . . it is at best, a ball
in hand physical reality, OR worse, only a castle in the clouds projection,
OR at worst, merely a wishful dream; . . . we are talking in vyaavahaarika
here, and not paaramaarthika; my dear . . .
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Sanjay Nambiar <https://www.facebook.com/sanjay.nambiar?fref=ufi&rc=p> I
see. Then why are we arguing. What's with the contempt in your words Rao
and company "ex-cathedra uninformed supercilious" Is that something your
guru teaches you? To speak down to us 'uninformed' from hill-tops. I
thought I said in my first reply to you that we are on different paths. But
you wouldn't/couldn't let it go. You chose to argue with contempt. No are
argue with my guru. And let's not assume if I know IT. That's between me
and my guru.
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used by someone somewhere in one's own FaceBookPage in which probably you
have not been Tagged or whatever [i assume]!?
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identifying yourself to whatever those words were intended to target at.
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Sanjay Nambiar <https://www.facebook.com/sanjay.nambiar?fref=ufi&rc=p> Rao
was clearly addressing me and my comment. Let's not play dumb after flying
around in dizzy heights of intellectual penmanship. Perhaps you gentlemen
should take your little coterie off Facebook. Public platforms are forums
for public dialogue. Watch what you write! There are actually a few people
out here who know a thing or two.
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<https://www.facebook.com/keshavaprasadahalemane?fref=ufi&rc=p> My Dear
Friend, on the one hand you quote Ramana Maharshi, and on the other hand
you seem to be deeply perturbed by whatever you yourself acknowledge &
expressed to be quite a different line/path than what you prefer to take
["Mr. Rao, Sorry but you won't find God in pithy semantics or pedantry. You
have to go your way and me mine. Best."]! Don't you think it best to be
left at that point!? Why should one espouse cantankerousness !?
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<https://www.facebook.com/keshavaprasadahalemane?fref=ufi&rc=p> "naan
yaaru" / "who am i" . . . one single pointed question, that is it. no other
diversions. if distracted, bring oneself back to that very same question .
. . until one gets firmly rooted in answer to that question . . .
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Sanjay Nambiar <https://www.facebook.com/sanjay.nambiar?fref=ufi&rc=p> Exactly!
My comment that you quote does exactly that. 'Leave it at that' But my
learned friend Rao couldn't 'leave it at that'. He wanted to cast
aspersions of superior knowledge. Where the hell is he? And who the hell
are you? Why are you his mouthpiece?
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<https://www.facebook.com/keshavaprasadahalemane?fref=ufi&rc=p> . . . you
can look for me, when you happen to pass by here, in your 'hell' . . . by
the way, are you a FaceBook Friend of Nagendra-S-Rao?
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Hahahahah.
No friend of Rao now!
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<https://www.facebook.com/keshavaprasadahalemane?fref=ufi&rc=p> . . . So,
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to shut up and quit . . . this is the FaceBook-Page owned by Nagendra-S-Rao
and not yours . . . OR ELSE you can be subjected to serious charges of
unwarranted intrusion & distraction & disruption etc. in someone else's fb
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Hahahaaha.
Who's perturbed now? Subject me all you want. The Truth shall prevail.
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comments indicates SILENCE which is left for free interpretation although
it can possibly mean INDIFFERENCE by IGNORING to ENGAGE in further
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Sanjay Nambiar <https://www.facebook.com/sanjay.nambiar?fref=ufi&rc=p> So
Halemane, will you be sending the RSS with sticks and stones to beat me
into submission? Just like to know in advance so I can great then with
flowers and hugs.
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Nambiar <https://www.facebook.com/sanjay.nambiar?hc_location=ufi> it is
precisely your visceral denigratory attitude towards the RSS which raised
my ire. And your cavalier attitude towards who should be allowed inside the
garbha griha.

Nehruvian sickular libtards have been getting away with snide patronizing
remarks like yours for decades. Now that they are unexpectedly being called
out on it, they are squealing like stuck ****.

Suddenly they are finding that two can play at that game and when we want
we can do it with much more celerity and ease. They don't like it.

Georgie Porgie puddin' and pie ...And when the boys came out to play,
Georgie Porgie ran away.

Getting to a more serious less vidanda / jalpa mode of disquisition, I
agree that Bhagawan Ramana Maharishi is the Gold Standard of Gurus.

I too read Ulladu Narpadu and oh BTW the Samkara Bhashyam on the prastana
traya decades ago, and some of Annambhatta's Tarka Samgraha, now largely
gone in the mists of time.

The two verses you cited have absolutely nothing to do with women being
willy nilly admitted into the garbha griha.

This is standard diversionary tactic used by katvas (note the pejorative)
out of al Taqiyyah doctrine.

These things are never settled by argument, vide the tarka
apratisthanadikarana of the Brahma Sutras.

I will go my way, and you go yours, with the knowledge that the days of
such remarks goings unrefuted by knowledgeable people is over, and ye have
to watch your tails in future.
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simply IGNORED . . .
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You just shut me up alright.
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<https://www.facebook.com/dkrishnamaraju?fref=ufi&rc=p> As a commoner, I am
enthralled at the diversity of manifestation in Nature. You can be sure
that there are no Gods in physical existence. We have seen Human Beings
transcending physical laws of Nature. Each manifestation is a unique
combination of forces of Nature. Here, we have not observed any gender
differences. When what is manifested is trying to identify itself with the
Source of creation ( Each situation is unique) why should there be a gender
differentiation. We make our understanding as an authority thereby making
logic of our understanding sacrosanct!
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<https://www.facebook.com/Nagendra.S.Rao?fref=ufi&rc=p> Dommaraju
Krishnamaraju what you have said is unvarnished confused gobbledygook and
western influenced twaddle. May I request you to discuss these things with
someone having anubhava based on real study and practice according to
Sampradaya and Parampara.
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Ashoke K. Kachroo <https://www.facebook.com/ashoke.kachroo?fref=ufi&rc=p> We
have been and still are held hostages by the "Priests" of our religions.
Come on Mr. Sadguru you can do better than that. The ritualistic sections
of the Vedas are less relevant these days. These days we pay top dollars to
get a mantra. We chant while controlling our breathing with eyes shut. Wow
we feel great. We have mastered yoga and found God. The "Priests" are still
stuck in the Vedic times. Poor us. God please save us from these Priests
and the $20 yogis.
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Karigar Medha <https://www.facebook.com/karigar?fref=ufi&rc=p> A poor echo
of Protestant Theology to hold "priests" responsible for one's own issues
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Rajan Bhatti <https://www.facebook.com/rajan.bhatti.33?fref=ufi&rc=p> With
all due respect , some processes run deep. Ritualism is a part of every
religion on this mother Earth. And if one religion practices its rituals
and sanctity, it doesn't come under the domains of Discrimination. There is
a lot more to it than the instant imbibing and salvation attainment being
practiced.Still a lot from the annals of Hindu scriptures needs to b
understood.
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Ashoke K. Kachroo <https://www.facebook.com/ashoke.kachroo?fref=ufi&rc=p> God
didn't make our life complicated to the extent that we have to resort to
complicated and powerful rituals e.g. exorcism, etc. Patanjali laid out the
Yoga Sutra, which is an authoritarian work containing no complicated
rituals for the attainment of salvation. Shankara, Arya Samajis and
Vivekanand to name a selected few from a vast majority shunned complicated
ritualism. Further, it is very true that I am responsible for my own issues
on account of the Law of Karma. No sophisticated ritual can overturn or
overrule the Law of Karma.
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K. Kachroo <https://www.facebook.com/ashoke.kachroo?hc_location=ufi> Your
whole narrative is Abrahamic in character. Where did God appear in this
whole process? Irrespective of whether Sadh Gurus explanation is today
valid or not Valid this god seems to be living in your imagination. You
could as well say that God did not make our life complicated, as a
response, to the following argument. Suppose someone makes an argument,
please that don't touch electrically live wire, because it can kill. Your
argument fits completely well there, even though it would really kill. Now
you can dismiss SadGurus argument, but when the temple was made that was
the rationale. And there are still people around the world, who do things
according to these Astrological Charts. May be you don't, that is fine, but
God does not figure in it nor do priests? By the way what is the word for
priest, in Sanskrit or even in Kashmiri language? There is none, that is
clearly Missionary narrative. Again Salavation is not what PAtanjali talks
about, that is the Christian Ghost that you are projecting on Dharma
tradition. In Southern India in particular Shrinker Mutt the presiding
Deity is Shri Sharda Amaba. If Shri Shankar had removed rituals then why
did he introduce Srichakra Upaasana and wrote Saudariya Lahri? Sir, Ritual
is not religion, period. It is a feature common to all social animals, be
it Wolves, Monkeys, Elephants, Sharks, Whales, or humans. I am certain you
will not say that Dongs and Elephants also have religion. India's biggest
ritual is celebration of 26th January. Your whole narrative unfortunately
is steeped in Abrahamic religious view point. So you only have one type of
semi-tool. And you project all problems that this semi-tool can address.
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are tools for faith which makes an idol or ,for that case, any
representation, to be the mirror to the understanding and maintainence of
concept of Supreme power. So need is there for the deserved respect.
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is Ritual?
Webster dictionary says, that ritual implies, (1) “of or relating to Rite”,
(2) “according to religious law or Social custom”, (3) “the established
form of ceremony”, (4) ceremonial act or action” (5) “Any formal or
customarily repeated act”

And same dictionary tells us Rite is (1) “prescribed form or manner of
Governing the words or actions for a ceremony”, (2) “ceremonial act or
action”

Rites among humans, of which we are consciously aware has a pattern of
sequence that are repeated on all similar occasions in different social
groups. Some are common across the social groups among human species, and
others are though peculiar, are also shared in some form having a common
theme across different human groups. I am giving below some examples of
rituals that are common in social animals and the rites that are peculiar
to humans.

(1) Consider humans greeting each other in asocial group either in a
hierarchical manner. We find that it is common to all social groups and
culture. The mode of greetings may change, but it is within the household,
within all social groups. But if we look at the social animals be it pack
of dogs, or pride of lions, there is a form of greeting. Be it in the form
of wagging tail, or in the form of licking face, or some form of play
displaying either the acceptance of authority or display of dominance, or
simply display of happiness, are known forms of greetings even in the
animal social groups. In this sense we find that rituals of this form is
present probably, where so ever a social setting among the animals is
present. To this extent ritual is a consequent of living in a social
groups. We also notice that such greeting set up the tone of interactions
among the humans as well as animals. Hence rituals of this form are,
mechanisms to interact, so that the group can live together in an amicable
and cordial manner. Let us take our daily routine in our society, we find a
common feature besides ritual greetings, people present a smile as part of
the routine. What does it d? This ritual has an implied message of
friendliness (at least non-aggressiveness), and the recognition of each
others presence, and very often also some times, conveys the message of
acceptance or assertion of dominance. The same message is conveyed by the
display of gratitude, be it through explicit thai you, or be it through
some other jester. It depends upon the nature elf the social organization.
(2) Another feature across all social human groups, who have the concept of
time and have reckoning for it, celebrate the birthdays. This celebration
is a ritual, no doubt depending upon he cultural back groups, that may
change with time and place. But the notion of celebration of the birthdays
continues to be there. This celebration is a mechanism to communicate to
the rest of the society, the change in the stage of life, and the
associated rights one earns, or obligations one has to undertake.
(3) Take the case of admissions in an elementary school after the
pre-school to the final college of high school graduate. The graduation or
convocations are officially celebrated both as convocation. In today’s
schools and universities, these are collective rituals that are performed
with gusto, pomp and show. Agin the ritual communicate the success of the
individual at yet another stage of life, with a new stage he enters in to.
And the certification ritual of a degree provides, confidence in tomorrows
employer, about your capabilities as an employee.
(4) The formal interviewing process, meetings with business associates, or
management meetings follow a certain well established and defined script.
That is another ritual, that we try to follow meticulously in our
employment, day in and day out. Without these formal procedures, one can
imagine, how chaotic and difficult it would deb to hold meaningful and
result oriented meetings.
(5) Consider celebrations of independence-day, republic day, or labor-day,
these are all grand collective rituals, that have significance in our
national life, and changes people who Participate and those who watch these
celebrations. And millions are spent on these celebrations.
(6) Consider the creation of a new business, it also has certain routine
and well established steps to geo through. These are also rituals, that
guarantee that frauds and reliability of an activity can be maintained.
Agin a ritual is established.
(7) If you notice the daily routine of an individual, or routines of an
individual on different occasions in ones life, you see it filled with
ritual activities, that we participate in as matter of routine, without
even blinking an eye.
(8) So far we find that every time our knowledge about our environs and the
nature increases, and we institutionalize that knowledge, we develop or
carry our rituals in these institutions. For example the knowledge of time
allowed us to create a ritual of birthdays, and celebration of
anniversaries, where rituals form of celebrations get introduced. For
example countries, starting new projects, or construction of new buildings,
inaugurating new enterprises, universities all are started with certain
rituals of inaugurations.
(9) The ritual form among humans societies is governed by the worldview and
narrative of these societies. Thus you see the very many rituals in western
societies have christianity as background theme. In fact when Europeans
became christians, they modified the existing rituals, to be in consonance
with their new narrative of christianity. In fact even the todays secular
Governments have adopted these rituals in so called secular domain.
(10) Yoga brings in a completely different, but an exceedingly powerful
aspect of the ritual. If we look at the efficacy of different changes,
these ritual practices bring in to the individual, it should become clear,
that Ritual is the only human mechanism, that brings in self-internal
change in to human beings.

The above exercise was taken to elaborate that ritual is mechanism, that
facilitates the non-verbal communication and subtle messages between the
individuals, between the individual and society, and from society to the
individual. It is a mechanism to announce to the society, about the
individuals new role and a change in the stages of life, with which he
gains certain rights, and slo acquires certain obligations. It facilitates
successful and smooth functioning of a society.
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What is Ritual

The above exercise was taken to elaborate that ritual is mechanism, that
facilitates the non-verbal communication and subtle messages between the
individuals, between the individual and society, and from society to
the individual.
It is a mechanism to announce to the society, about the individuals new
role and a change in the stages of life, with which he gains certain
rights, and slo acquires certain obligations. It facilitates successful and
smooth functioning of a society.

We can easily draw the following conclusions about the nature of ritual.

Rituals are a universal phenomenon among social groups, and provide a
mechanism to (1) harmonize the function of an individuals and society,
where normative signals are sent, through ritual to feel acceptable and be
in comfortable zone, or (2) to create and reflect conflict and contentions
between individuals or societies.
Rituals are always culture specific, unless there is some elite dominance,
and subjugated society accepts the dominant groups ritual practices. That
acceptance always replaces the narrative & world view of the subjugated
with the narrative and world view of the dominant group.
Ritual is a mechanism to communicate either a new beginning or an end of
something existing.
It facilitates the communication between the individual and the society,
society and society, and from society to individual. This communication can
be about change in status of the individual, about new stage in life, about
new rights within society, new obligations undertaken, about relationship
between the individuals, or just an expression of belief, and world view,
old or new. Without ritual, the world and society will become sterile,
uninteresting.
Without ritual, no celebrations would be possible, and no grieving would be
possible. It would be like stony, mechanical universe, and no progress,
justice or happiness or expression would be possible.
The Ritual is the only mechanism to effect an internal change for better or
worst, in a human being. In the form of Yoga, it elevates a person far
beyond one expectation, allows one to control ones senses and temperament.
Not to mention its access to higher levels of awareness!
Without ritual, no dance, no drama would be possible. After all these are
expressed in the already understandable ritual forms.
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Karigar Medha <https://www.facebook.com/karigar?fref=ufi&rc=p> Ashoke K.
Kachroo ji, your choice of word like "God", "Exorcism" etc suggest that you
are stuck in the Christian theological framework. Our Tantras, Mantras,
Yogas, Yantras are quite different, and have a logic basis, not mumbo-jumbo
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well said. Now, if we elaborate on ritual in context to the various
religions and religious practices , apart from writing them off at the
first go, what do we deduce.
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would also like Mr. Ashoke K. Kachroo
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is the word for religion in Sanskrit or Kashmiri language?
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Ashoke K. Kachroo <https://www.facebook.com/ashoke.kachroo?fref=ufi&rc=p> Just
a few Clarifications: 1 Please read the original article again and you'll
find words like exorcism used by the original author 2 I was born as a
brahmin and was raised by my parents as a saraswat brahmin and went through
all religious rituals connected with the day to day life of an individual 3
The three words that I used were for the benefit of non-sanskrit audience
(God for Braman; Priest for Purohit and Salvation for Mukti from the cycle
of reincarnation) assuming that the sanskrit audience would understand 4 I
don't even know what Abrahamic implies or what Christian mumbo jumbo really
means 5 I could copy and paste a lot of supporting documentation of where I
am coming from. However, I humbly request you to go through the writings of
Shankara, Swami Dayanand and Swami Vivekanand at the least - not that you
have not read them but to recap what you might have missed in your earlier
reading. 6 I admit I know nothing and you'll please forgive my indulgence
in this matter. Because there are only questions in my mind and I am trying
to seek answers to those questions. Om Shanti, Om Shanti, Om
Shanti!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Ravindra Nath Kaul <https://www.facebook.com/rabinder.k.koul?fref=ufi&rc=p> Do
you really think that people have not studied Shri Shankaras work. Did you
know that Saudariya Lahri is his work. And so is Baja Govindam... I did get
Swami Dayana his translation of Rigged, but I stopped reading it. It was
mutilated in the meaning. And Dayansd ji clearly did not look at Agamas,
one of the major sources of ritual practices. But Swami Dayanand ji was
equally wrong. There are quite a few rituals in all Arya Samaras
recommended by him. But he picked the ones he liked, that is it. Again very
far away from the Agama-Tantra tradition.
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you should do some minor clean up and editing on your lengthy piece on
ritual and repost it as an independent article on your page for
disseminating. It will be very helpful as a hook or setpoint for people
looking to develop a taxonomy for their overall sadhana program.
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agree, but it was written directly as response. I will spend time to clean
it up.
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Mohd Adil Nomani <https://www.facebook.com/adil.nomani?fref=ufi&rc=p> No
comment of some ppl is complete without demonizing Islam..what Muslim has
to do with this...This is disease called jalan or jealousy
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Rajiv Kumar <https://www.facebook.com/rajiv.kumar.3158?fref=ufi&rc=p> Jealous
of what ?? Muslims ??
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Ravindra Nath Kaul <https://www.facebook.com/rabinder.k.koul?fref=ufi&rc=p> We
don't have to make any effort to demonize it and waste the time. You
followers do a pretty good job of that.
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Karigar Medha <https://www.facebook.com/karigar?fref=ufi&rc=p> India's
secularist (following global Leftists) are in bed with Islamists, that's why
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Mohd Adil Nomani <https://www.facebook.com/adil.nomani?fref=ufi&rc=p> The
writer of original post has already done that.Any how forget secularist
anti national anti Hindus jehadis even sadhus are divided over this
issue.With one group supporting it and other opposing it....
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Nagendra S. Rao <https://www.facebook.com/Nagendra.S.Rao?fref=ufi&rc=p> Mohd
Adil Nomani Sir, there is no jalan or jealousy involved here. You are
really dreaming if you think Hindu women or men for that matter admire
brutal Islamic rules per Sharia of how women are to be treated.

Wake up and smell the coffee! Even Islamic women are deserting Sharia law
in droves, since they detest triple talakh. See the survey results - better
than 90% hate it. Oh yes, and forcing women to be eternally clad in
bedsheets since you Muslim men cannot control yourselves, and Islamic male
chauvinist world view dictates therefore the world / women must adapt to
accommodate male Muslim hangups and limitations. Maybe some Muslim women
will. I pity them, but that is their business - it is a free country!

Cologne, Germany was a great wake up call for the world about real male
Islamic values and attitudes. And that these need to be unmistakably, and
forcibly checked.

What we are saying is that the Neanderthal Islam 'uber alles' attitude of
the Zakir Naiks, Asad ud din Owaisis, and Azam Khans had better change in a
hurry, or it will be firmly changed for them, willing or no. This is not
the era of Khangressi wretched bleating Gandhian eunuchs and sheep anymore.
That is gone forever, never to return, except in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and
a few other places trying desperately to live in the 8th century (with an
obscene amount of oil money).

If Muslims persist in the arrogant Nehruvian era attitudes of the
superiority of Islam, they will be firmly taught in no uncertain terms that
Islam is not 'primus inter pares' anymore. Muslims will have to get in line
and wait patiently for their turn, like Hindus, Christians, Sikhs, Jains,
Parsis and everyone else.
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Mohd Adil Nomani <https://www.facebook.com/adil.nomani?fref=ufi&rc=p> Muslim
womem have right to property,right to remarriage,right to say NOOOO to
marriage.If one covers her head it does not mean covering of brain.In India
one religion i.e. sikh make it obligatory for male member to have turban
i.e. covering of head.
“When Brahma has made you a woman, you should lower your gazeand should not
look up. Youshould put your feet together and you should not reveal what
the garment and the veil conceals.”
[Rig Veda Book no. 8 Hymn no. 33V. no. 19

“When Purshuram comes, Rama tells his wife Sita that “He is our elder,
please lower your gaze, and put on the veil.
[Mahavir Charitra Act 2 Page 71]
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Mohd Adil Nomani <https://www.facebook.com/adil.nomani?fref=ufi&rc=p> Why
on earth one has to blindly follow the Western notion of Sexual equality.In
the name of equality they have no regret in making woman body as
commodity.All major religions advocate modesty for both male & female.
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Adil Nomani <https://www.facebook.com/adil.nomani?hc_location=ufi> I
compliment you for your diligence in having studied the Hindu texts. I wish
more Hindus studied the Koran, the Hadith and the Sunnah.

You are following standard in-direction flowing out of AL Taqiyyah doctrine
to divert from specific points I made about Dr. Zakir Naik, and suras and
ayats from the Koran and Zakir Naik / ISIS citing them as authority for
rape. Do let us not try this Hail Mary pass tactic with me please. I know
all the standard Islamic gambits, and yes I have done reading of the
Islamic texts including a bit of al Ghazali.
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! When in know of books on religion and its indepth knowledge one should
accept it and keep shut instead of arguing for the sake of arguing with
limited knowledge.
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Mohd Adil Nomani <https://www.facebook.com/adil.nomani?fref=ufi&rc=p> Thanks
for compliments.@Nagendra S Rao .Tactic is simple the things which you
consider as "evil" "backward" already exists in Hindu Dharma.

By the way Takia is to dodge from the topic .You have not given your view
on Rigveda hymns.
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advocated rape their are people who gives nar bali to please certain
goddess.My point is how many people have justified the distorted version of
religion propogated by ISIS.There are people in the name of religion eats
the flesh of dead body to attain moksha & take narcotics to please GOD.

By the way you have not commented on the verse of Rig Veda & Mahavir
Chaitra.Please enlightened us with your view
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this Mohd Adil Nomani fellow is dreaming in colour. His extremely
provocative and inflammatory posts are most distasteful. He picks up
isolated and incomplete portions of some ancient Hindu scriptures and has
the audacity to distort them and equate them to injunctions that are
specifically and categorically written in the Quran. Then he compounds his
offence by writing outright lies about "nar balis". The chap should never
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take isolated incident that is not fine but giving example of ISIS atrocity
becomes part of whole religion.
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Adil Nomani brother... I m too impressed wid ur understanding of all
religions. I m also keen to learn about Islam n it's constructive
preachings.
Can u plzz suggest Quran, Hadith n Albukhaari in Hindi or English which gv
true picture of Islam ?????
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intention is not to hurt any one but since I have been accused of
propagating lie..let me share one news clip by paper of international
repute http://www.theguardian.com/.../2006/mar/05/india.theobserver
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being obtuse and utterly dishonest intellectually. What is being done by
ISIS and other Islamic terrorist groups is being done explicitly in the
name of Islam. If Muslims worldwide find this to be unacceptable, they
should join the efforts of various countries like France, Russia, U.S. etc.
to eradicate this deadly virus. And help India to combat this abominable
ideology. They are doing nothing of the sort. Instead, more than 40,000
Indian Muslims turn up to pay their respects to a terrorist who killed
hundreds of innocent Indians in a savage bomb attack and was executed after
every legal opportunity was extended to him. You really must introspect
sincerely.
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Mr Deepak read online and if in doubt regarding some issue I will try to
resolve it to the best of my ability.
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cover from your eyes all the mainstream religious leader has condemned ISIS
...2days back meeting was held by Rajnathsinghji with religious leaders
...I hope you may have read this
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is the perfect example of why while I admire the Muslims, though I detest
their rabid fanaticism and commitment to genocide, murder, rape, and loot
for the glory of Allah and to show the might of Islam. Mohd Adil Nomani has
balls to get up and say these things on a heavily Hindu website.

I spit on the contemptible Gandhi for having turned Hindus into Muslim
appeasing, gutless pacifist, eunuchs that they never dare to do the same.

BTW I used to visit Islamic websites and needle them with precise suras and
ayats from the Koran, Hadith and Sunnah justifying everything from the
Prophet's child molesting, to rape, murder, deceit, and every form of dodgy
ethics and morals. It used to make them scream in impotent fury, since my
citations could not be denied, as they were authentic.

Nevertheless he needs to be answered so I will, but I am on my way to work.
I will reply later, and I can, while exposing the al Taqiyyah doctrine.
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by the grace of almighty and with the blessings and goodwill of senior
people like you I will try to do my job.
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u start carpet bombing plz define God and what are the property of God...I
am still waiting ur view on Rigveda hymn sirji just a gentle reminder
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Deepak Sawarn <https://www.facebook.com/deepaksawarn?fref=ufi&rc=p> Mohd
Adil Nomani yaar I hv read too much online but when I quote smthing... my
muslim frnds say it's a plot to defame islam.
So plzz if u know any authentic publication then kindly let me know.
If u don't know then no issues...
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Nomani you've no understanding of samskritam. You're picking the
interpretation by non-Hindu (A brit) that suits your intention of showing
someone in poor light. You can't take refuge under a British writer
interpreting Vedic samskrit without learning a word of it..
At the same time, I will have some tough questions for you about muhammad
being pedophile & rapist.
I must say your interpretation is grossly wrong and to give you an insight,
go and see the sculptures of temples that are 1000+ year old, Indian ladies
never wore anything called pallu. It came only after mughal beasts started
to pick our sisters & mothers for their lust. You moron muslim, you take
the anglised version to ask us questions.
You accept the fact that you & your religion is meant for killing (Blood
thirsty hounds). You are not worth any discussion. Just the mention of
Muhammad's cartoon has proved your kind to go for kill. The sample rate of
any muslim, shows that they are perverts & don't accommodate vivid views.
History has enough evidence of Muslims being beast and lusty.
Don't make fool out of yourself in a circle that's discussing something few
1000 years ahead of you. Leave them to discuss and grab what can make you
more mature.
Else choice remains with you, keep howling and make yourself look even big
crap. People who have not yet become averse to Islam shall, by seeing your
inconsequential posts..
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Adil Nomani Sir, what is your opinion on:

Horny Mohammed thighing / Mufakhathat 6 year old Ayesha to get his rocks
off?

Should the child then also have to wash his cum stained clothes as she
extensively cites in the Hadith?

And deflowering her at 9? No doubt he was giving her the blessing of Allah
but we may have different opinions.

Further do ghazis in Jannat have eternal / perpetual priapism or erections
or only prolonged ones? What is the latest opinion of al Azhar University,
the last I heard 4 or 5 years ago, they were still debating?

What is your opinion on the Hadith which says that when the katva gets
horny, even if she is baking bread his concubine or wife (you have flocks
of either on call) has to drop it and assume the position?

What is your opinion that Islamic men can screw around whenever, whereever,
however (some dissent on this) they get horny but this is not permitted for
women?

What is your opinion on how Mohammad practised Mufakhathat when Ayesha was
in season? Do you agree with his practise?

What is your opinion on Islamic men having sex with sheep and camels? Can
one sleep with the offspring of such sheep or following Khomeini they have
to be slaughtered or sold to the neighboring village?

BTW I know you like to keep your women wrapped up in bedsheets since you
can't control your lust. Are Muslim women allowed to feel horny also or are
they just machines for your male sexual pleasure only?

What is your opinion on Shayista Khan slaugthering all his wifes and
concubines (26 if my memory serves me right) before he went into battle
with Shivaji>

Are the hurs in Jannat allowed to feel horny?

I have a number of other serious questions about the glories and blessings
of Islam. I will ask your learned opinion once you have answered these?

Oh in closing almost one million Hindu women were brutally raped to show
the glory of Allah and the power of Islam in Bangladesh. What is your
opinion?

Since religiously permissible rape of kafir mushrikeen women is there in
Islam, can reflexive open season rape of pre-pubescent Muslim women in
public in daylight be instituted? Can it be filmed for our pleasure as
Osama bin Laden did to get his rocks off?

Your glorious ultra orthodox Allah fearing bhaijaans in ISIS have issued
learned documents on this. I can send you copies in case you have not found
time to read them. devil emoticon angel emoticon
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HIT BULLS EYE.
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Nomani Lo and behold, so you're just passing some information without
knowing the source. I've the vedabhashyantam books and not some of your
english version in some 10 volumes or something of that sort (Ralf....or
some joker)...You tell me the sanskrit verse please with reference of
bhashyantam by.
You want me to relate a verse that suits your point. Come on Bhai, be fair.
The fact is "There is none" like your creation of verses, to show Hindus in
poor light.
What is this mahaviraCharitra, an act on someone interpretation? You
believe that is considered as guiding principle?? The act doesn't still
mean what you claim, please share the sanskrit verses with भवभूति
interpretations.
There are 10% of statues in khajurao temple which shows the act of sex,
that can't construed to be Sanatana dharma (Hinduism) in total. If one
does, he is qualified to be the biggest fool.
You speak lies like your zakir naik, who quote some verse in some book with
an assumption no one is going to check it. He is a gross liar. See the
video about his lies in youtube.

One thing is very clear, Sanatana Dharma is subjected to discussion & has
gone through corrections by very logical, rational arguments unlike
Koran/sunnah/Hadith/....People are killed because of Koran & justified.
We've till date not punished muslims for their destructive act in various
invasion and allow their bastard heirs to argue with us to be entertained.

Final benchmark is, the people who follow the sanatana dharma worldwide,
have been least of the problem to anyone, that shows the way of life
followed by them is are far sensible than Islamic people worldwide who are
part of problem for one or the other reason. The acts of Islamic people is
the most reprehensible & unequivocally detestable, worldwide. This is the
way of life that IS BEING lived by muslims; IS THE PROOF IN THE PUDDING.
Mind well, Muslims are most hated people all over today, is a glowing
example as to why there is serious need for wise people like you to review
koran/sunnah/hadith...

So, take a pause, here people are discussing something that is far too big
for your religion to comprehend & for you to even have a feel of it. Your
religion is young and would need evolution, discussion, debate, manthan to
reach where we are today. Till then just observe learn and be happy.
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there is an aphorism in Kannada my language, 'Katte mundhe Kasturi' meaning
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responds only to a stick. Such civilized, learned dislogue as you are
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is ur view on Riddles ..I find this funny if some thing is part of
religious place which is 10% gentleman is saying it cannot be consider as
part of dhrma but some act of individual can be consider as part Islam.I
really find it intriguing instead of writing such a lenghthy post no one
has bother to reply my query.
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Nomani just in case, if you wish to learn how skewed the version of fair
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Mohd Adil Nomani <https://www.facebook.com/adil.nomani?fref=ufi&rc=p> Krishna
guides Arjun to fight the war even if it is against brother..if some mad
person want to infer that Krishnaji is instigating Arjun to fight with
brothers every time What will you call that person.In short every thing has
some context.If without context you try to read any thing whole meaning
will get distorted.This is for any book Gita Koran or Hamlet.No w coming to
topic reqst u to read the
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Rajagopal Vs <https://www.facebook.com/rajagopal.vs.5?fref=ufi&rc=p> Sadhguru
brutally frank as usual and his logic is incisive as always!
The next step in the gender equality controversy, in a lighter vain, might
be to show black flag to God as to why He has made women different from men!
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witty, yet very piquant and correct.
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current dispensation and discourse in India is controlled by certain
selected groups. And the only tool they have is hammer. So they see all
problems as nails. They are completly blind to native perspectives and the
narrative. frown emoticon
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true, but probably there is a frustrated group on one side and a group
going for political correctness on other side. The 2nd phase of power is
important though.
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saadhus supporting women's demand for entry rights and some saadhus
supporting the temple tradition barring women's entry . . . this is quite
normal in an open free democratic society and it is tolerated in
Hindu/sanaatana-dharma . . . just as there were always various groups, some
advocating one 'mata' or opinion & practice etc, and some others advocating
a different 'mata' or opinion & practice etc . . . the point is that, when
there is controversy created by an intruding group [i call intruding group
because the controversy seems to be coming from outside the original setup
and not from within the setup] that external group that has caused a
disturbance in the otherwise peaceful setup needs to be restrained first -
that is the responsibility of the law & order authorities to support and
maintain peace & harmony which got disturbed by those intruders . . . all
discussion, all negotiation, all legalities come later . . .
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Assault On The Cultural Heritage Of Shani Shingnapur" - Strange that
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knows about any Saastraagama background related to the ritualistic
injuctions, restrictions, etc followed in this Shingnapur temple? . . . OR
. . . is it only some historically established default tradition simply
because no one objected to what has been going on till recently?
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important to understand recognize and acknowledge that the Aiyyappa at
Sabarimala is different from the Aiyyappa in your road side shrine/temple
and different from the Aiyyappa in your house if you have one . . . same is
the case with Saneeshwara in Shingnapur temple different from any
Saneeshwara at other places where Saneershwara is worshiped . . .
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is a key legal point as well . . . after all . . . we are talking in
vyaavahaarika . . .
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Government has to declare that all temple-tradition shall be upheld,
maintained & continued as long as they do not disturb the peaceful &
harmonious societal environment, and whatever forces cause to disturb such
peace & harmony shall be dealt with due legal and punitive actions as
necessary to main such law & order . . .
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Aum tat sat!!
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Abhitosh Tripathi <https://www.facebook.com/abhitoshji?fref=ufi&rc=p> And
men protesting in front Linga Bhairavi Temple where they are not allowed
and want to enter the sanctum, is not at all the answer. That will be
playing into the hands of forces which want to create fault lines in
Sanatana Dharma. Only educating all concerns is the answer but that does
not include these women who went to protest at Shani temple or their
backer. They belong to the category of those who are pretending to sleep.
After all it is very difficult neigh impossible to awaken someone
pretending to be asleep.
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Mradula Gohil <https://www.facebook.com/mradula.gohil?fref=ufi&rc=p> Hinduism
was a very deep and private religion but today the world has made it
totally fickle and sadakchhap by the ISKCON kind of movement. There were
very strict rules and reasons for everything but who wants to listen?
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Rajan Bhatti <https://www.facebook.com/rajan.bhatti.33?fref=ufi&rc=p> Common
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Rajagopal Vs <https://www.facebook.com/rajagopal.vs.5?fref=ufi&rc=p> I
fully agree sir. Where our reasoning fails we must go by.the age old
practices prescribed by our ancestral "hitaishis"
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<https://www.facebook.com/srinivasan.niyer.3?fref=ufi&rc=p> Excellent
explanation. But the issue here is more politically influenced than actual
prayer to he made by other gender. There is a sect which is working and
interestingly Muslim organizations joined to it what they gave to do with
Saturn.
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Rajagopal Vs <https://www.facebook.com/rajagopal.vs.5?fref=ufi&rc=p> I beg
to differ. it is not "more politically influenced". It is ONLY and OUT &
OUT politically instigated.
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<https://www.facebook.com/keshavaprasadahalemane?fref=ufi&rc=p> IMHO: The
points of strength in support of the temple tradition - (1) hindu deity has
a legal identity, and therefore a temple is not a public place but the
abode of the deity wherein only the true devotees are welcome guests and
none others; (2) temple follows aagama / SAstra injunctions &
recommendations; (3) each temple has a well
established/recognized/acknowledged unique sthaLa-pUrANa, leading to the
long established temple tradition specific to that temple, both ritualistic
and/or otherwise; (4) peace & harmony among the devotee community shall not
be disturbed by external interferences; (5) identity of the mischievous
intruders needs to be established first, before accepting their plea, even
in cases of genuine peaceful legally (seemingly)acceptable demands; (6)
rights of the long term devotees comes first and foremost, and the demands
for rights by all others come later, demands by outsiders can be simply
ignored; (7) the individuals, groups, forces that instigate the weak &
gullible citizens thereby creating disharmony in society - need to be
identified and deal with appropriate disciplinary/legal/punitive action.
[this is by no means an exhaustive list; you may add/modify/refine it
further]!
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not that Swamy & Sri Sri are incorrigible . . . they need to be properly
appraised of the subtleties of the issue from the point of view of the
larger perspective of sanaatana-dharma and also the associated consequences
etc. . . .
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<https://www.facebook.com/keshavaprasadahalemane?fref=ufi&rc=p> Now, the
latest news says - Women activists and temple trustees agree to abide by
Devendra Fadnavis’s decision; although it also says - Locals are opposed to
women’s entry in the sanctum sanctorum of the Shani Shingnapur temple in
Ahmednagar district of Maharashstra. [Compare that with this - Muslim
Personal Law Is Based On Quran, Courts Can't Question It's Validity: Jamiat
Ulama-e-Hind - as reported today in The Huffington Post - posted in this
thread down below.]
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<https://www.facebook.com/aanandatr?fref=ufi&rc=p> Jai Shri Gurudeva
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<https://www.facebook.com/keshavaprasadahalemane?fref=ufi&rc=p> . . .
"rounding the square" is an essential process in ensuring fruitful
interaction while engaging oneself in any discussion . . . otherwise the
sharp corners can get badly bruised and in turn hurt the core; the
intensity of the resulting pain being an indication of how hard&sharp the
corners are in comparison with how soft& round the core may be . . .
nAgEndra ji may even say that what i have written is
elliptic/hyperbolic/etc. . . . but i find this to be the vyAvahArika
reality of the world around us . . . yes i do agree that i have literally
put a decorative soft coating around the hard core truth . . .
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get this in my inbox; i am yet to read through this article; it is a sort
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India is a land of ironies, and among them the most popular one is that
that a land which worships Goddess has on record the highest rate of female
feticide and domestic violence cases. And, wait if you’re born a woman,
then these places in India are off-limits for you!
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There is no sanction to gender discrimination in our scriptures, he says
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just that....worship of Hanuman as I knew it was for men or male students
or celibate people and there was good reason for that. But today with
movies coming out and breakdown of hindu values and foreigners
interfering....everything has changed. Now women are worshipping hanuman.
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matter of moodha nambike or blind belief of the sastraically illiterate.
Every deva has many dimensions. Worship / anusthsna is based on which aspect
of the deva one identifies with.

Sri Hanuman has many dimensions, so worship by women is possible depending
on one's samskaras and the bhava of Hanuman with which one wants to
identify.

Noted Vaishnava authorities are in full agreement with what I have said
above. angel emoticon smile emoticon
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abolished, they have to be done through dialogues, debates, discussions and
guidance from those who have spent their lives studying and practicing
Sanatan Dharma. Shri Sadhguru is one among such tall personalities, who
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practices. After all, traditions, religious practices change over time.
They have changed in the past, they can change now and in future too !!
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historical background behind that temple . . . some may have followed some
aagama SAstaas etc., but that is an additional strength after all . . . so
this too should add to be case in support of the tradition . . .
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UNIQUENESS OF SANSKRIT, THE WORLD'S OLDEST EXTANT LANGUAGE

SRI SHIVASHANKAR RAO

FOREWARD

We are indebted to Sri Shivashankar Rao for providing the note below in
simple colloquial language the uniqueness and greatness of Sanskrit as the
language of literature and culture. A word of appreciation about him.

Sri Shivashankar Rao is a rare elderly animal! Alas he is of a species fast
disappearing and almost extinct in modern India. He is facile in English,
and also a very learned and pious classically trained scholar according to
sampradaya and parampara (tradition and lineage) in Advaita Vedanta and
Sanskrit. He is well conversant with modern technology and socio-political
developments of post independence India as a senior engineer.

Since a well earned retirement from gainful employment Sri Shivashankar Rao
has been a virtual inexhaustible Niagara of writings IN ENGLISH, on
technical Advaita Vedanta and other aspects of Hindu philosophy, ritual and
culture. For the tens of millions of Sanskrit illiterates like myself, this
is a great boon. A round of applause please for Shivashankar Rao’s decades
of quiet pro bono work.

Nearly every Hindu knows and is reverential about Sanskrit as the core
language of Indic Hindu culture, religion and literature. Few today know
that Sanskrit was also for millennia the language of advanced science and
technology as well, when Hindu India was the pinnacle of the world in terms
of wealth, culture, education, sophistication and refinement. Reverting
back to Sri Shivashankar Rao review of Sanskrit language as a repository of
Indic Hindu religion, culture, science and technology:

"The most important cause for the continuity of Indian culture throughout
the country is undoubtedly Sanskrit. All languages of India with perhaps
the exception of Tamil consider Sanskrit as the mother.

The world’s most ancient language was used in early Vedic literature about
5000 years back. Panini’s “ASHTAADHYAAYI”, certainly the most ancient work
on linguistics and grammar helped to initiate writing.

The world's longest and informative by far Great Epics - Mahabharata and
Ramayana-were authored later. Valmiki, celebrated author of the Ramayana is
considered as the first poet of the world.

Asvaghosha’s BUDDHACHARITHA AND SOUNDARANANDA were later works. Kalidasa’s
KUMARASAMBHAVA, RAGHUVAMSHA, ABHIGNANA SHAAKUNTALA etc., were written
somewhere near 5th century. Bhaaravi’s KIRAATHARJUNEEYA was written about
the 6th century.

Varieties in Sanskrit literature extend from dramas of Bhaasa (Prtigna
Yougharayana, SwapnaVasavadatta etc), Kalidasa, Shoodraka (Mrichchikatika),
Vishakadatta (Mudraraakshasa), Bhavabhooti (Mahaveeracharitha, Uttara
Ramacharitha, Malathi Madhava), Harsha (Ratnavali, Priyadarshika,
Nagananda), Mahendra Vikrama (Mattavilasa) etc..

Vishnu Sharma’s celebrated PANCHATANTRA started the art of story telling.

Baana’s KADAMBARI started the novel writing. Goddala’s ‘UDAYA SUNDARI’
started the love stories, also called Champoo Kavya. Bhojaraja’s SHRINGARA
MANJARI is a novel where different types of love are explained. Somadeva’s
KATHA SARITHSAGARA is a treasure of stories. Kshemendra’s ‘KALAVILASA’,
DARPADALANA, DESHOPADESHA etc., are works of satire dealing with
corruption, and other evil practices.

Patanjali’s MAHABHASHYA started the analytical writing. Aryabhata and
Bhaskaracharya wrote of mathematics and astronomy. Charaka and Sushrutha
wrote of medicine. Kautilya / Chanakya wrote on politics and administration.

Bharathamuni’s NATYASHASTRA started the art of literary criticism. Bhamaha,
Dandin, Vemana, Rudratha, Anandavardhana, Kuntaka, Udhbuta, Lollata,
Dhananjaya and others including Raja Bhoja were famous critics of the time.

DOWNFALL

The downfall started with brutal, savage, illiterate foreign Islamic
aggression from about 1200 AD. This continued unchanged through the
millennium of the rule of Muslim kingdoms in India. Even then there were
some efforts to further the literature. Amarachandra, Someswara,
Balachandra, Vastupala, Princess Ganga, Ahobila, Dindima, Gopala, Manadeva,
Neelakanta, Venkataadhvari and others were the famous writers of the time.
These efforts continued even during the British period.

Even now Sanskrit is providing a storehouse for the words required to write
scientific and technical books. This has come to the personal experience of
this author.

WHY IMPORTANCE OF SANSKRIT?

There are four reasons.

1. The accuracy of grammar, beauty of the expressions and the sound of
Sanskrit is not found in any other language of the world. It provides the
basis for all other Indian languages like what Greek and Latin are for the
western languages.

2. Indian culture rests on Sanskrit. Vedas, Upanishads, Puranas, Epics like
Mahabharata and Ramayana, Yoga sutras are all in Sanskrit. It is these that
have bonded India together.

3. Sanskrit is rich in literature by poets like Kalidasa, Bharavi,
Banabhatta, Bhartrihari etc., It is a great mistake to think that Sanskrit
deals only with spiritual, cultursl and religious matters.

4. Sanskrit caters to ALL the needs of people and society, including
finance, politics, law, mental health, mathematics, astronomy, medicine,
engineering and many others.

5. It provides values applicable to the whole humanity. It not only
provides a hope for the individual that he can rise to the level of the
divine and through that concept, one can identify with every one else and
thus helps in developing brotherhood in the whole world.

SPECIALTY OF SANSKRIT – GRAMMAR MOST CONSISTENT AND TECHNICALLY PERFECT OF
ANY EARTHLY LANGUAGE

1. Take the expressions of vowels and consonants. Consonants have no
independent expression without the vowels. This system is not seen in other
languages. (Example: - FRY, DRY. In come and coma, “co” has different
expressions. TOP, MOP, JUM, CHUM – here, O AND U have expression like “a”.)
Such anomalies are not found in Sanskrit.

2. From the MOOLA DHATHU, it is possible to create a number of words in
Sanskrit. There has been no change in either the words or their meanings
from times immemorial.

3. There has been no change in the rules of grammar and hence the same type
of poetical works is there irrespective of when the works were created.

4. There is a speciality / occasional exception to the or rigidity of
Sanskrit grammar in the literature connected to Vedas, Upanishads and
Puranas. This is colloquially called Vedic licence. Although there is a
difference in the style in these works, there is no difference in the words
used”.
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reading. hats off to the author. our many thanks, namaskaars-praNaams and
best wishes to sir shree shivashankar rao avarugaLu ji sir and family and
to all. please, keep up the good work. we hope and pray that he continues
with his admirable great efforts in service of sanatana hindu dharma,
various aspects of Sanskrit and shastras etc, fulfilling at least in part
the strongly felt needs of today's students, seekers, society and
benefitting us all in general. best wishes. aummmmmmmm......
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in 20 months over 81 lessons in 563 pages. A sanskrit scholar may not be
interested to teach you from the beginning. But once you have cleared Level
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understanding the critical nature of the times.
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● changes her name
● changes her home
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● gets pregnant for you
● pregnancy changes her body
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● almost gives up in the labour room due to the unbearable pain of child
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*Being a woman is priceless*
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Rock the world ladies!
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W ➖ WONDERFUL MOTHER
O ➖ OUTSTANDING FRIEND
M ➖ MARVELLOUS DAUGHTER
A ➖ ADORABLE SISTER
N ➖ NICEST GIFT TO MEN FROM GOD
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<https://www.facebook.com/thirumalaraya.halemane?fref=ufi&rc=p> yes, of
course. and, that's why generally, in most societies, cultures, the
traditions, practices, processes are such that others help the women and
mothers in their roles, to do their various responsibilities etc, and there
is a bit of extra respect shown towards women and mothers, as is the case
in hindu or indian civilization also. usually, it is the same whether the
leader or the person in charge is a man or a woman. and, woman can also do
any job from lowest to highest. many examples are there everywhere,
throughout history, in all time periods etc.. however, confusion may exist
now and then, in individuals or at various times in history, because of
other factors, foreign invasions, traumas, stress, helplessness,
unavoidable or forced adjustments etc. ?????????? there is much more depth,
of profound nature, to any serious thoughtful consideration of the
intrinsic natures of male and female etc, and their external expressions /
effects / perceptions / views ????? just taking for granted or simplified
assumptions etc can lead to problems ????? are we, both sexes, in touch
with our own individual natures, selfs ??????????? perhaps, then only, we
can better understand the others, instead of the usual blaming around and
scapegoating ????????????
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important manifestation in Sanatan Dharma is ADI SHAKTI ,female gender is
attributed to it !! We revere her by names like Saraswati,Laxmi,Durga and
KAALI !! She is the most powerful entity in this universe !! Its ADHARMA to
consider female gender to be inferior !! Rather its superior to male gender
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WHY I SPIT ON GANDHI & NEHRU'S LEGACY AND ADVOCATE THAT EVERY INDIAN SCHOOL
CHILD BE TAUGHT TO DO SO AS WELL.

This is not a western concept! Public revilement a la against the vicious
Gang of 4 in China is more an Asiatic and Oriental and Marxist phenomenon.
The Gang of 4 led by Mao's wife were uncontrolled and ran China ragged
after the death of Mao.

So did uncontrolled, untrammelled, arrogant, naive, Muslim appeasing Indian
national disaster Gandhi. This was what led the great patriot Nathuram
Godse to sacrifice his life by taking out Gandhi.

'Phader of the Neson' Gandhi was a scheming, dictatorial, self-opinionated,
wilful, eccentric old man. He also had a singularly perverted and totally
false idea of what is Hinduism, née Sanatana Dharma. On top of all that
Gandhi was an exceptional male chauvinist, in the way he treated, poor
uncomplaining Kasturba Gandhi his wife.

Gandhi was a total and abject failure as a family man - both as husband and
father. Gandhi's sons wrote with extraordinary bitterness and rancor as to
how he completely ruined their lives.

Gandhi enjoyed projecting a totally false image of an idealistic holy man.
In practice he was a ruthless scheming politician, obsessed with exerting
his influence on spineless Hindu eunuchs.

All this may seem unbelievable to the average Indian and global citizen. I
can assure you it is all factual and easily verifiable by Googling it. The
Khangress / Congress and Gandhian hagiographers, and sycophants and in
recent years our resident Italian barmaid have managed to keep a tight lid
on the true facts.

But as they say murder will always out. So also these dark secrets of the
Gandhi-Nehru cupboard.
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" History is written by the victors"--Machiavelli

12 out of 15 Pradesh Congress Committees ( the only legal bodies having
power to nominate and elect President of the Party) nominated Sardar
Vallabhbhai Patel but, he was forced to withdrew by Gandhi the great old
man of India according to whom, Politics Without Principle is sin..The
remaining three may not have nominated Patel but then they did not nominate
anyone else also including Jawaharlal Nehru..The Congress Party
overwhelmingly wanted Sardar Vallabhbhai Patelthe the 'Iron Man of India'
as the Congress President and consequently the first Prime Minister of
India, despite Gandhiji’s open support for Jawaharlal Nehru because, it
considered Patel as ‘a great executive, organizer and a leader.

Patel accepted to take a second position because of two reasons: firstly,
for Patel post or position was immaterial. Service to the Motherland was
more important; and secondly, Nehru was keen that “either he would take the
number one spot in the Government or stay out.

And now , if you read the official history then you will come to know that
what Machiavelli once said is absolutely correct in every sense that
history is written by the victors.. PRESEN-DAY OFFICIAL HISTORY---- Jawahar
Lal Nehru was elected as the First Prime Minister Of India & Sardar Patel
became His Deputy and it was all done PURELY ON MERIT.

Dr. Rajendra Prasad lamented that Gandhiji “had once again sacrificed his
trusted lieutenant for the sake of the ‘glamorous Nehru’.

(Source--- different treatises including Dr. Makhkhan Lal's 'Choosing The
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although when we look back now, on hindsight, it may look like a bad or
unfair move by gandhiji, who was the leader of the struggle for freedom, at
the time, it may not have been thought of as a problem that Nehru was
heading the govt or the congress party. everybody, or most of them,
including Nehru and patel, respected gandhiji's wisdom, political strategic
ability to engage with the british and push the cause of freedom forward,
with a mostly united india. nothing much different would have happened or
could have happened then even if patel was president of congress party,
perhaps ??? and, there may have been reasons we are not aware of or fully
informed about, even now, why gandhiji wanted Nehru instead of patel ???
for example, the british govt may have wanted it, may have influenced
gandhiji ??? so, you are perhaps being unfair here in your judgement,
without knowing the full story ??? you are judging from your present state
of mind, rather than trying to understand better what happened and why etc
????? what do you say ??????????????
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lived that period of our history know that Patel was more down to earth
leader than Nehru. Please do not forget the role he played with the
integration of over 550 states. Nehru was only dealing with J&K and see the
mess even today. Yes I agree with you that Gandhiji may have preferred
Nehru because of his closeness to the British particularly Mountbatten
family.
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read Koenraad
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Gandhi & Godse. A factual narration / review of Gandhi's fatal policy
problems, that he saddled the nation with to this day. After that, one will
feel quite free from the (forcefed secularist) obligation to defend him
based on sentiment for "Bapuji". Yes he has some good point here & there,
but shouldn't be immune to criticism.
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<https://www.facebook.com/shivashankar.rao.50?fref=ufi&rc=p> Gandhiji, if a
democrat, should have gone with the majority (all except one) in rejecting
Nehru (who spoiled all issues handled by him) and preferring Patel who was
a more practical leader. Gandhiji's support for the khilafat movement sowed
the seed for Pakistan. It is necessary to reassess all steps taken by
Gandhiji without any sentiments and conclude whether he was responsible for
the various ailments of the country today (including marginalizing Subhas
Bose who was the darling of the congress much against Gandhiji's wishes).
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<https://www.facebook.com/Nagendra.S.Rao?fref=ufi&rc=p> Thirumala
Raya Halemane Sir, at last you are posting something sensible, instead if
totally irrelevant lengthy rubbish, which has been your usual practivlce.

It saddens me that with your intellect and being an orthodox South Indian
Brahmin, you are another Gandhian, Nehruvian sickular libtard.

Please read the History of the Indian Freedom Movement in 3 Vols by
Premchand Roychand Scholar (PRS) Dr. R. C. Majumdar. Get ride of your slave
mentality based on Khangress Party and Gandhi-Nehru brainwashing rubbish.

Please read what another orthodox Kannadiga Smart ha Brahmin, and also
sound Advaita scholar has written.
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<https://www.facebook.com/thirumalaraya.halemane?rc=p> so, perhaps, it
would have been more valuable if the good hindu-friendly, western
Christianity rooted good cop author sir koenraad sir shree elst ji
avarugaLu had written or explained how the british rulers used indian
freedom fighting leaders against their own genuine great vision for india
by doing psychological battle, manufacturing their own puppet show pulling
strings differently than what the leaders may have expected ???? that list
of leaders includes Nehru, godse, sarvarkar, bose, Gandhi, jinnah and
various others, working through congress party, rss, muslim league and
various other organizations or groups that were formed during their time
and even after 1947 ??? they had high ideals, great visions, well deserved
true aspirations, good strategies for working them etc, and although they
did manage to get the foreign racist exploitative rulers to eventually
leave, many things ended up going the wrong way ??????????????? perhaps, he
has written what some sections of the psychologically affected hindus
wanted to hear, for manipulating their egoes and for re-inforcement of
their hatred and animosity towards fellow indian muslims, to help the
congress party with vote banking and to solidify the hindu-muslim
divisions, thus hoping to help or in elevate the future outlook for
Christianity control and good perceptions, as a by-product, which is
already a reality in kerala, in Andhra, in the northeast etc ???? a good
cop is good, can be good, can be very helpful, even very important to have
for safety, survival, well-being and for later revival, but good cop can
also have a limiting effect on our psychology and mental state, keeping us
down, holding us back from rising to higher levels of understanding and
awareness ????? so, while we continue to give gratitude and respects to the
good cops for their assistance, let us hope and pray that we rise above
such holding back of mind and spirit, of psychological limitations etc and
move to higher planes. best wishes. aummmmmmmmm...........
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don't they define/redefine what we really are, to better understand
ourselves and where & how we (should) fit in the world around us . . .
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am not going to waste my time trying to decipher a sentence which is the
length of a long paragraph. You are not Bhavabhuti and this is not
Sanskrit. Has no one taught you to write correctly in English.
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<https://www.facebook.com/thirumalaraya.halemane?rc=p> it is also very
likely that the british india govt was manipulating or encouraging netaji
bose to go to Germany (where btw, it seems they also observed him as well
as the behavior towards him of the indian soldiers captured by Germany etc,
and then he was encouraged to partner with japan forming the indian
national army which fought fiercely with the british india army in the
east, Indians vs Indians, for and against the british. the question,
suspicion I have, is, was there a hidden dirty evil hand behind creating
such scenario in eastern india ,and famine along with it, to make Indians
fight each other for self-destruction ?????? we should not forget that
there were many kings, nawabs, others, babus, administrators, officers,
intelligence agents, merchants, police, army etc helping the british rule
in india, doing their jobs for survival mostly, some with other aspirations
also, perhaps ???? so, it could not have been just a simple matter to unite
and fight, whether by peaceful strategy or armed struggle or even in
combination ???? we are also forgetting the psychological, mental,
brain-washing, subduing, propagandizing, perception manufacturing etc
aspects involved ??????
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to the others, and changes their opinions or decisions, with whatever
strategy is in his mind, it is still democracy, it happens all the time,
everywhere, here it was mahatma Gandhi who did that, and others went along,
and, none of them were idiots, in my opinion. and, no one seems to have had
the convincing ability or leadership skills for uniting the others and
engaging with the british better than mahatma Gandhi ????? and later on
analysts like us, re-examine and fix blame on somebody, it is a good
pastime, in sports, in politics, sometimes, even in family matters.???
Nehru was called Kashmiri pandith brahmin, and proved himself later to be
anti-hindu, anti-Brahmin, anti-dharma. godse was a rebel, an anti-orthodox
activist, who served as a tool serving anti-hindu, anti-Brahmin,
anti-dharma forces, to cause damage and bad reputation about brahmins,
about rss, about hindus, also spreads confusion, dividing factor etc, among
brahmins, hindus, Indians. ????
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mentioned, there is probably much good info there. I glanced at a few pages
of the book Gandhi & godse by Koenraad elst on the internet, and picked up
a few points, reading between the lines and inferring on my own, regarding
how the british india intelligence must have used savarkar by
psychologically affecting him when he was in prison, brain-washing him etc,
in the Gandhi assassination project and driving of public opinion in its
aftermath in anti-Brahmin, anti-hindu, pro-Nehru, pro-false-secular
fashion. he is a good writer, no doubt, hats off to him. and yet, he is
also being used as a "good cop" for sections of hindus who like to hear
praise and comforting words from western experts. that is, he serves as a
positive re-inforcement for the psychologically affected hindus in
cherishing and solidifying their anti-muslim feelings, for enforcing the
hindu-muslim divide among Indians, taking advantage of the inferiority
complex and element of arrogance among hindus. it is a very unfortunate
state of affairs, which has affected kannada smarthas, advaita followers,
others, everybody. ???????
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humble suggestion is that Nathuram Godse be referred to as Pandit Nathuram
Godse Ji from now onwards. Thank you!
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thank you for your heads up. I agree 100%.

As a firm patriotic Indian and Hindu I should have thought of this myself.

If that asinine, wretched, anti-Hindu, Muslim appeasing travesty, Cambridge
failed travesty Nehru could be called a Pandit, why not a real patriot like
Nathuram Godse be called PANDIT.
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ji, Not only by birth, by karma Nathuram was a true Brahmin. A Pandit! That
is exactly what Pandits are supposed to do: like true surgeons, cut out the
cancer whenever it threatens Dharma. Pandits have always illuminated the
path for their less fortunate humans! I may sound like cocky, but that's
the truth and let us accept it as rational human beings.
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off. our many thanks, namaskaars-praNaams and best wishes to sir shree
tapan ghosh avarugaLu ji sir and others, hindu samhati etc, who have made
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Woman yatri is heard saying 'we are walking all the way to Palani to see
the Lord, we go through many hardships, walk bare feet, blood dripping from
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non-Christian cultures ????? in addition to any individual arrogance, there
is usually an element of collective arrogance or group arrogance, that is
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to the alert devotees of Lord Murugan ! It helps to make our Hindus alert
like this. I have been trying to do this(awaken Hindus of Church trickery)
on a small scale ! All educated Hindus should talk to other Hindus who are
not aware of Church's deceitful ways, I feel.
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gov can pass such law,only social (awareness +unity+revolution) would may
be the solution. in bihar there was no link of these church bt these tym
thy r freely making church and spreading foolishness.after that u can pass
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educational. keep it up. chanakya is often wrongly characterized as a
negative type personality, branded as a stubborn person taking revenge,
using dirty and deceptive politics etc. his works are not usually studied
in indian universities etc. it is a big shame. he was strengthening indian
civilization, defending dharma and culture, acting against abusive
high-handed corrupt minded rulers who were weakening the society etc. in
other words, he was working in the area of politics, economics,
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LEFT HISTORIANS VICIOUS ANTI-HINDU PROPAGANDA & CRIMINAL DISHONESTY ON
BABRI MASJID.

Friends please read the devastating expose in Swarajya Magazine on the
criminal dishonesty about Babri Masjid by Marxist historians and rabid
anti-Hindu Islamic thugs.

The filthy, Marxist and rabid anti Hindu Islamic katva Dr. Irfan Habib, and
vicious zero knowledge of Sanskrit, ersatz expert on ancient India Dr.
Romila Thapar and lesser leftist riffraff are finally getting their just
factual comeuppance. Irfan Habib is Nehruvian viciously anti-Hindu katva
Marxist who had the gall to compare the RSS to ISIS. For that alone he
needs to be strung by thjmbs, twisting slowly in the wind, until he reacts
the obscene exaggeration.

Pejorative language is deliberative and intentional. In your face
deliberate and implacable ruthlessness in verbal attack, and where
necessary retaliatory merciless physical attack is the only language that
vicious, fundamentalist, terrorist Islam understands. This is the only
language Islam has been taught to understand, fear and respect by the
Prophet, the Koran, the Hadith and the Sunnah.

Frankly the depradations over some 65+ years since independence by fanatic
Islamic katvas like Dr. Zakir Naik, Dr. Irfan Habib, other Islamic low life
in Bengal, Kerala and elsewhere are driving patient, pacifist Hindus to the
brink. Marxist historians of no professional and less personal integrity
are playing with fire in their vicious, false anti-Hindu diatribes.

Even a Gandhian eunuch Hindu will turn sometime. The Marxist and Islamic
historians are setting themselves up for a groundswell pogrom as happened
in Indonesia in 1965-66 when between 1 to 3 million Marxists and leftists
were ruthlessly massacred.

21st century ascendant patriotic young Indians hearken back to a 7500+ year
old civilization. They are not and should not be Muslim appeasing,
Christian conversions condoning, Marxist thug tolerating, obsequious
Gandhian Nehruvian eunuchs. Saner voices advocating dialogue rather than
demolishment are being drowned out.

Dr. Samuel P. Huntington's On the Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking
of World Order is here and now! Unless the Marxists and Muslims seriously
and quickly mend their ways, the clash may be much more than verbal. It
will be more like the irredentist 1938 Germanic anschluss!

Young India spits on mewling Gandhian cravenism and looks to Shivaji's
heroism. It hearkens to the only answer to Islamic and ISIS Jihad from the
Bhagavad Gita:

BHAGAVAD GITA 2 37

hato va prapsyasi svargam
jitva va bhoksyase mahim
tasmad uttistha kaunteya
yuddhaya krta-niscayah

WORD FOR WORD

hatah -- being killed; va -- either; prapsyasi -- you gain; svargam -- the
heavenly kingdom; jitva -- by conquering; va -- or; bhoksyase -- you enjoy;
mahim -- the world; tasmat -- therefore; uttistha -- get up; kaunteya -- O
son of Kunti; yuddhaya -- to fight; krta -- determined; niscayah -- in
certainty.

TRANSLATION

Killed, thou wilt reach Heaven; victorious thou wilt enjoy the earth.
Wherefore, O Son of Kunti, arise, resolved to fight.

Vijaya prapti na tu vir gati, also the glorious Sikh martial ethos!

Israel which is an armed to the teeth implacable modern day Sparta
understands this ethos well. That is why ISIS fears the Israeli miltary in
a way it does not American or European soldiers.

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instigating anti-social & anti-national groups . . . after all these are
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they have caused much damage. that being said, it is important to note that
indian leftists, liberals, communists etc are a different breed compared to
those elsewhere, in the west or china or Russia etc. they are somewhat
moderated by their indian upbringing or culture, and less extreme or less
revolutionary, more cultured or civil, one might say, and may have helped
to firm up the country's interests or the common person's needs. of course,
now it will be best if they can help fix up the damages caused because of
their stubborn following of undesirable ideology ??? let us hope and pray
that it happens, that they are able to change and transform towards the
better. best wishes. aummmmmm.....
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सर, बाबरी ( मस्जिद) का स्वतंत्रता के पश्चात कभी कोई अस्तित्व था ही नहीं..
मस्जिद शब्द बाबरी ढाँचे के साथ जबरदस्ती लगाया गया था। काँग्रेस और वाममार्गी
राजनितिक स्वार्थ सिद्ध करने के लिये जाहिल, गँवार मुसलमानों का किस तरह उपयोग
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अल्पसंख्यक, ईस्लाम,कुरआन, शरियत के नाम पर मुर्ख बनाकर और भाजपा का डर दिखाकर
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CRAWLING BACK ON HIS HANDS AND KNEES

Aamir Khan that Islamic katva wretch who made viciously anti-Hindu and
anti-Modi statements in the past now comes crawling back on his hands and
knees.

Aamir Khan has realized that nowhere but in India can he make the hundreds
of millions of US dollars (not rupees) that he has made. So the katva is
willing to eat humble pie, kiss a**e, and cover himself in sackcloth and
ashes to save his fortune and his seriously endangered Bollywood career!

This is the same Aamir Khan who said his Hindu (of no religious conviction)
wife Kiran Rao was afraid for their Islamic whelps in India. Now he is
RAPIDLY backtracking and prevaricating since he realizes his Bollywood
career may be over otherwise. Still he has made his fortune - let him run
to Saudi Arabia or Pakistan which of course he won’t. Open decadence is not
permitted there (though the degenerate Saudi royals indulge in every form
of debauchery known or imagined by man behind closed doors).

The Indian and global Hindu public now needs to mercilessly extract a pound
of flesh from Aamir Khan, c.f. Shakespeare’s Merchant of Venice, while
expectorating on Gandhian and Nehruvian anti-Hindu Muslim appeasement.

Aamir Khan has had instant realization recently / jnanodaya, that the days
of Islamic katvas lording it over Gandhian eunuch Hindus in India and
especially in Bollywood is over. This is not Muslim appeasing contemptuous
of Hinduism Gandhian and Nehruvian India née Bharatavarsha anymore!

Haul Aamir Khan over the coals! Ask him point blank about his statement
that his children can never be raised anything but Muslim, despite being
born to his worthless travesty of a Hindu wife.

Ask him why he wore chappals within Hindu temple premises when filming,
while everyone else was barefoot? Shove that fact down his throat or up his
posterior!

Ask him whether as a professing fanatic Islamic katva he considers Islam
and Hinduism equal or not? Don't allow him to give euphemistic answers.
Require an unequivocal Yes or No. THAT WILL BE THE PERFECT HOBSON'S CHOICE
FOR AAMIR KHAN.

If globally prominent actor Aamir Khan says YES, his aroused fanatically
bigoted Islamic katva bhaijaans around the globe will cut his testicles off
and or hand him his head on a platter. If he says NO, a now aroused and
enraged Hindu public will come down on him like a ton of bricks. Ok using
the well known Islamic doctrine of al Taqiyyah, i.e. lying to kafir
mushrikeen idolators for the protection of Islam and the glory of Allah
Aamir Khan will try to welsh. A Hobson’s choice is the only way to nail the
posteriors of such slimy individuals to the wall.

In fact an aroused and enraged Hindu Indian populace should administer this
treatment to all three Bollywood King Khans – Aamir Khan, Salman Khan and
Shah Rukh Khan. Cut them down to size. Ask them ALL the same point blank
questions. Only the Maharashtrian patriot Shiv Sena anuyayis will have the
brass knuckles gumption to do that!

Bollywood like the entertainment industry worldwide has no abiding values,
ethics or morals. It would sell its grandmother, or pimp it's mother for
money. If it tries to interfere, aroused Hindus should stomp on Bollywood
without quarter.

I will bet that all 3 King Khans will leave India for months for the Gulf,
or UK until the heat dies down. Of course they won’t go to be with their
bhaijaans in conservative Saudi Arabia or Pakistan. They will not be able
to drink themselves insensible there or openly pursue other decadent
pleasures about which I am too polite to be explicit.

Ok to be fair there are some decent, honorable people in Bollywood too, and
even among Muslims there are millions of sane, decent, peaceable,
inclusive, law abiding citizens, mostly (from SOME Hindu influenced
inclusive) Sufi sects, or some Sunnis and Shias not closed minded like Dr.
Zakir Naik, and the foul Akbar ud din Owaisi.
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<https://www.facebook.com/thirumalaraya.halemane?rc=p> the elites among
indian muslims, hindumuslims, have their share of superiority complex,
arrogance and Islamic zeal compared to the rest of the population ??????
how can they shed such withholding psychology complex barrier and embrace
their intrinsic dharmik nature which comes from their roots in indian
civilization, heritage and ancestry, and elevate themselves, their own
selfs, to higher level of understanding and awareness ????
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<https://www.facebook.com/thirumalaraya.halemane?rc=p> paapa. perhaps, he,
amir, also the others, need help ??? it cannot be that hard when they have
hindu wives, and full access through hindu wife to Hinduism etc, and with
many other resources, potential helpers / friends etc, easily available to
them ??? so, we hope and pray that he / they get the needed inclinations,
impetus, interest, wisdom, help etc to go forward, do what is necessary,
and get benefited, become one with or closer to their intrinsic selfs or
intrinsic beings, natural selfs, reach better understanding and higher
awareness etc. best wishes. aummmmmmm........
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is the only Country where people Adore Talented people & Service Oriented
as Gods.... No wonder if any one plays with their Emotions as Nehru &
Gandhi but people will teach Life time lessons once Broken Their Trust....
This Man who can Cry on TV Shows to Promote Business on People Emotions Can
even Sleep with his own Blood Relations is not worth For Excuse..... I
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Those who doesn't realise the Fertile Indian Land are Just Bodies without
Souls....
Jai Hind....
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cant you say aamir to always keep the islam in mind whenever he makes a
comment. His absurd comments defame whole islam. Isnt it. Let me tell ..je
is not a loyal indian and not a loyal muslim. He is a kalank on islam and a
kalank on bharatmata's head.
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I don't require your approval for staying in my country, mind you.
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RG VEDA SAMIDADHAANAM -THOUGHTS ON TRADITIONAL VEDA ADHYAYANA & CULTURAL
RENAISSANCE

Words cannot describe my feelings of joy and sentiments invoked when I saw
the attached You Tube video. It was sent by an extremely devout young RSS
friend and protegee Divyasanu Pandey <https://www.facebook.com/pandeyshanoo>
who is doing his engineering studies while also pursuing more lasting
things for his immortal soul.

Rg Veda is my Veda too! Alas I spent much of my early years fulfilling
purvajanmarchita vaishya samskaras going to IIMC and Wharton to ensure my
daily bread and more.

By the time I got around to things which really mattered and Para Vidya I
was not in an environment where I could learn these things, beyond the bare
minimum.

I was fortunate in being able to study Vedanta philosophy in some depth. My
samskaras were strong in that direction. Traditional resources according to
sampradaya and parampara were also easier of access.

I learned just yesterday in conversation with a good friend in Bangalore
closely associated with the hoary Sringeri Shankaracharya Matha that the
wheel seems to be coming full circle at long last.

People are finding that significant affluence has not given them the
fulfillment they expected. They are therefore turning with renewed vigor to
our ancient religious and cultural ways.

Interest in Sanskrit study, Veda adhyayana, bahya and antaranga puja vidhi,
yoga, ahamgraha upasana prayoga, study of the darsana sastras et.al. are
all seeing a resurgence. Information access has never been as easy either
with ready downloads from the worldwide web. Many committed students and
acolytes are getting the material from the Web where face to face access is
not possible.

And this time around material wherewithal is not a constraint (that much)
anymore, as in decades past.

Best part is that this interest is across all jatis and varnas, with
increasing across the board material affluence. Caste and creed are being
transcended as it is high time they should be.

21st century renascent India which will be a Hindu nation but a secular
state is slowly and painfully reverting back to the glory days of the
Maurya and Gupta eras of the Golden Age of Hinduism, and of Rama Rajya of
Vedic times eons before rhat.

It will take at least 50 to 100 years for the benefits to be evident
broadcast. It may not happen in our time. It most certainly will in our
grandchildren's time as a blessing to India, to Sanatana Dharma, and to the
world at large.

Shambhave Namah

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sir & I too feel good when kids around follow their nitya karma. It is for
us to be the role model for the next generation in performing nitya
sandhyavandanam (20min x 3 times day), Brahmhayagyam (10Min once a
day)..I'm sure, many of us interested in karma kandam can squeez this time
in our daily routine, to me its fulfilling.
Seeing me following the nitya karma, my nephews are drawn into nityakarma,
in school & college they go with shikha, you are right in saying that the
vigor is returning in following our karma. Still, I believe the role models
around the new generation, would increase their count in taking up sanatana
dharma seriously and we need just 5-10 years to turn around.
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"BHAGAVAD GITA 5.18

vidya-vinaya-sampanne
brahmane gavi hastini
suni caiva sva-pake ca
panditah sama-darsinah

WORD FOR WORD

vidya -- with education; vinaya -- and gentleness; sampanne -- fully
equipped; brahmane -- in the brahmana; gavi -- in the cow; hastini -- in
the elephant; suni -- in the dog; ca -- and; eva -- certainly; sva-pake --
in the dog-eater (the outcaste); ca -- respectively; panditah -- those who
are wise; sama-darsinah -- who see with equal vision.

TRANSLATION

In a Brahmana endued with wisdom and humility, in a cow, in an elephant, as
also in a dog and in a dog eater, the wise see the same".
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passion reading on any subject under cosmos way back in late 60's and early
70's and surmises I come out is the feel and I do not possess mercurial
memory nor erudition to connect the dots. As one of the classmates at Bajaj
institute said, Sir ( addressing the faculty) he does not know what he is
saying!
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should be a demand by the spiritual intelectuals of the country to include
The Vedas as a syllabus upto matriculation as vedas have the contents to
enlighten children from their core so that society could get productive
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will be impossible for the Children in High school to understand and
comprehend Vedas. It is for mature intellects.
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in guru kulas it is being taught to lower age kids , so if not full but to
some extent like the way sanskrit is being taught
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are taught Chanting of these Mantras and not the Jnyana or meanings and
essence of what is being stated. Sure they are taught different GAanas etc
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Vedas is a full time job and the time and efforts required will be that for
doing a PhD. It is not like history or geography which can be taught as an
additional/ optional subject. "NishthhA" is more important than "gyan". So
introducing vedas as an additional subject in schools is in my opinion a
wasteful and futile exercise!
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that is why children are not up to studying vedas, they certainly can learn
chanting easy on!
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we can consider imparting value education and education of our culture and
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would say that teaching of yoga early on is needed, since most challenging
aspect for kids is attention span. And that can be given boost from Yoga
and exercises.
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Mr. kaul chanting vedas is not like saying poems or rhymes. It calls for a
working if not deep knowledge of sanskrit and dedicated and protracted
efforts! Let us not concentrate too much on shreyas alone. In transactional
reality preyas is as important. Pleas feel free to correct me if you think
i am wrong.
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am aware of it, it is also part of Yoga (VAC Yoga so to say). That is why I
did not say Bollywood music, even though that is beautiful too!
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college level
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chanting deep knowledge of Sanskritis not needed. You need Shikhsha part
namely the knowledge of making correct sounds and intonation etc. But not
Grammar.
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of Yama, Niyama, etc/ I am not saying Smadhi, but first three angers are
very useful to children.
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pray what is the advantage of chanting not accompanied by understanding?
Chanting for chanting's sake?
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is a form of yoga, it transforms you. It has the same role as Mantra. Manas
trAyate its Mantra:
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been a tutor now for almost 25 yrs and have had an opportunity
moving/interacting with students and I can tell you making them do
something like just chanting vedas for the sake if chanting will just not
work. knowingly or unwittingly we have corrupted their thinking and
attitude. Instead we can make them learn stotras like they do in Chinmaya
schools
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Rajagopal Vs <https://www.facebook.com/rajagopal.vs.5?fref=ufi&rc=p> You
will agree, to inculcate new ideas is not as difficult as correcting wrong
perception. This English/ western education has done irreparable damage to
the fabric of the society and unfortunately and inadvertently all of us
have been a party to it!
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do it all the time with teaching them to memorize how to add subtract count
etc etc. We don't accept that as an excuse for learning alphabets, numbers,
multiplication tables, additions etc. We do many such things for teaching.
Memorizing "Baba Black sheep .." which many Indian kids in India do today,
with to ever having seen a sheep etc, how does that happen. I know children
of the certain south Indians who learn it and are pleasure to listen to. In
fact there was Mahrashtrian family, their grand daughters used to play
Antakhshri with Rudra Chanting. It is music not some text.
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do not consider it important enough to cheat it as part of family ritual
where they participate slowly. I started this very late and was accidental
discovery for me.
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person in the evening of life I agree with the rationale. But we must be
practical. Well if some one is able to implement it i can assure you none
will be happier than little me!
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what age the children started learning Vedas, Upanishads, Epics, Astra,
Shastra and Shaastra in ancient Bharatiya Gurukuls? Can anyone shed light
on this please?
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agree. Simple extracts can be included as object lessons.

The more important hurdle is the screaming and catervauling of katvas and
Christians who will want equal time.
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fully agree with you on this point.
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Vijay Joshi <https://www.facebook.com/anant.v.joshi.3?hc_location=ufi> Sir,
it is not a simple answer since you have mentioned subjects at different
levels of complexity.

Age would vary from 8 or 9 to 16+
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tathastu. I encourage you to take a more active part and initiative in
answering these things. You will be doing a public service.

Manava seva Madhava seva
Nar seva Narayana seva
Jan seva Janardana seva.
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<https://www.facebook.com/Nagendra.S.Rao?hc_location=ufi> ji and Ravindra
Nath Kaul ji. Bharat needs to give oroper education to its children: Vedas,
Upanishads, Epics, Traditions, Sanskrit language, astra vidy, shastra
vidya, and Shaastras should not be relegated to back burner and of course
modern sciences, mathematics and modern languages should be mastered as
well. a relative study of religions would be appropriate, and how they are
and should remain subservient to Sanatana Dharma. Also, a critical analysis
of how invaders changed demographics and written history of the
Hindus/India should constitute essential components of High School classes.
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my view, studying a part of veda,i.e., one's own shakha and samhita itself
is a big thing. But, for a common person studying fully is not needed.

The more important thing is to know basic mantras and dedication to perform
fundamental duties of sandhyavandana, samidadhana and brahmayagya.

Learning full samhita is not less than doing a full PhD. It should be
learnt by those who want to pursue their future in Karmakanda aur
Philosophy. But, basic mantras must be known to all. Further, a good
knowledge of shastras and vedangas should be given at small ages by telling
stories from upanishads and mahabharata. This is very important.
Now-a-days, parents don't tell these stories and they don't teach
nityakarma, anushthana and neeti related shlokas and mantras. This leads to
the growth of ashraddha. This must be taken care of.

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