Vinhos: Recommendations and comparisons?
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Jake Waltier (Twentysides)
Mar 31, 2012, 2:02:02 PM3/31/12
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My FLGS has a deeply discounted copy of Vinhos (minor box damage). I
recall being interested, but don't remember specifically what I
thought was so engaging. I'm a fan of heavy games and have an interest
in the wine business.
Could someone give a personal recommendation for the game? I want to
know what makes this game great. I would also appreciate a direct
comparison to other games (such as "it's like Le Havre in that you do
this..."). Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance!
recall being interested, but don't remember specifically what I
thought was so engaging. I'm a fan of heavy games and have an interest
in the wine business.
Could someone give a personal recommendation for the game? I want to
know what makes this game great. I would also appreciate a direct
comparison to other games (such as "it's like Le Havre in that you do
this..."). Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance!
Play-girl
Mar 31, 2012, 2:28:16 PM3/31/12
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I'm very interested in this one too, as I love heavy economic games.
Have you watched Drakkenstrike's component breakdown review? If not
you can now, it's on youtube. Besides that, I only remember reading
the BGG forums that some people had component quality issues.
On Mar 31, 2:02 pm, "Jake Waltier (Twentysides)"
Have you watched Drakkenstrike's component breakdown review? If not
you can now, it's on youtube. Besides that, I only remember reading
the BGG forums that some people had component quality issues.
On Mar 31, 2:02 pm, "Jake Waltier (Twentysides)"
sixtywatz
Mar 31, 2012, 2:29:14 PM3/31/12
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It's good, just read through the rules and tutorials.
It's worker placement, with some odd money management. It appears to
be roughly like Caylus, theirs a favor track and you need to manage
that as well as your own things.
Resource management tied to the game via placement of objects. Each
player has a limited amount of Barrels that grant favors, earn points,
redeem cash, and score multiplier points.
The whole thing can feel quite overwhelming under first view.
Broken down, all the pieces of an entertaining Euro are here. Stages,
and rounds with lots of variety and options.
I will say some pieces or actions feel really simplistic and
straightforward. The low variation of the wine production pieces make
that very doable, but all the choices tied into those things add
complexity.
Having not played it yet, I can't tell you what it feels like. I'm
playing it tomorrow, and I'm very excited.
-Chris
It's worker placement, with some odd money management. It appears to
be roughly like Caylus, theirs a favor track and you need to manage
that as well as your own things.
Resource management tied to the game via placement of objects. Each
player has a limited amount of Barrels that grant favors, earn points,
redeem cash, and score multiplier points.
The whole thing can feel quite overwhelming under first view.
Broken down, all the pieces of an entertaining Euro are here. Stages,
and rounds with lots of variety and options.
I will say some pieces or actions feel really simplistic and
straightforward. The low variation of the wine production pieces make
that very doable, but all the choices tied into those things add
complexity.
Having not played it yet, I can't tell you what it feels like. I'm
playing it tomorrow, and I'm very excited.
-Chris
Maarten
Mar 31, 2012, 3:32:21 PM3/31/12
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I'm sure you want a more realistic recommendation instead of a 'ZOMG!!! BUY NOW!!!11!!!1' one, right?
My recommendation would be: play before you buy. Even at a deep discount: shelf space and table time are never discounted. The long of it is that Vinhos appears to be a combination of lots of tiny rules which never become truly intuitive (giving you the impression the game only needs you as a button pusher) and a low to medium game depth. Once the 'wow!'-factor about the level of detail has subsided, it becomes apparent that there really isn't much room for creative play and major as well as interesting diversification. All players need wine and estates, and so they erect these... but what comes out is, nearly by necessity, a single abstract wine production value erasing much of the effort which went into creating it. The subsequent game is then about deciding how to use wines ranging in value from cheap to expensive, and even there choices are not really difficult nor remarkable.
The short of it is that Vinhos is about 90 to 100 minutes worth of game wrapped in three hours of player activity. Hence my suggestion to play before you buy. And if you play, to play a few times to let the level of detail become less of a hindrance so that you can focus on the game instead.
Maarten
My recommendation would be: play before you buy. Even at a deep discount: shelf space and table time are never discounted. The long of it is that Vinhos appears to be a combination of lots of tiny rules which never become truly intuitive (giving you the impression the game only needs you as a button pusher) and a low to medium game depth. Once the 'wow!'-factor about the level of detail has subsided, it becomes apparent that there really isn't much room for creative play and major as well as interesting diversification. All players need wine and estates, and so they erect these... but what comes out is, nearly by necessity, a single abstract wine production value erasing much of the effort which went into creating it. The subsequent game is then about deciding how to use wines ranging in value from cheap to expensive, and even there choices are not really difficult nor remarkable.
The short of it is that Vinhos is about 90 to 100 minutes worth of game wrapped in three hours of player activity. Hence my suggestion to play before you buy. And if you play, to play a few times to let the level of detail become less of a hindrance so that you can focus on the game instead.
Maarten
Tom
Mar 31, 2012, 3:41:30 PM3/31/12
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I really like Vinhos, but be warned: It is a game with lot of "mini
games". The core mechanic is a 3x3 action tableau, where the players
move their action pawn. If using an action already used by another
player, you have to pay money using it. Also, the game has a fixed
numer of turns until it ends - so the end is not "dynamically"
triggered. The players cannot force the end sooner...
As already mentioned, there are several "mini games", like the
mechanic how the wine ages (and is getting more valuable) or the wine
fair, where you can gain victory points.
Oh, victory points... there are several ways how to get them. So
different approaches are possible:
- Export of wines
- performing very good at the wine fair
- using special tiles of the managers
But as a conclusion: it is very pasted on. Yes, all is about wine, but
it's very abstract, too. A real euro.
As mentioned before: I assume normally it would be better to play this
first, but if this is a really, really good offer (discount), and you
love euros - well, then grab it!! :-)
games". The core mechanic is a 3x3 action tableau, where the players
move their action pawn. If using an action already used by another
player, you have to pay money using it. Also, the game has a fixed
numer of turns until it ends - so the end is not "dynamically"
triggered. The players cannot force the end sooner...
As already mentioned, there are several "mini games", like the
mechanic how the wine ages (and is getting more valuable) or the wine
fair, where you can gain victory points.
Oh, victory points... there are several ways how to get them. So
different approaches are possible:
- Export of wines
- performing very good at the wine fair
- using special tiles of the managers
But as a conclusion: it is very pasted on. Yes, all is about wine, but
it's very abstract, too. A real euro.
As mentioned before: I assume normally it would be better to play this
first, but if this is a really, really good offer (discount), and you
love euros - well, then grab it!! :-)
Jake Waltier (Twentysides)
Mar 31, 2012, 3:55:06 PM3/31/12
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Thanks Maarten and Tom. That's exactly what I was hoping to hear.
Krommenaas
Mar 31, 2012, 3:14:07 PM3/31/12
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If you like heavy euros (like Caylus, Le Havre, though it has
completely different mechanics) and are interested in the wine
business, you'll like this for sure. But you can only play it with
other people who like heavy games, it's complex. For specifics check
Drakkenstrike's video as someone recommended.
completely different mechanics) and are interested in the wine
business, you'll like this for sure. But you can only play it with
other people who like heavy games, it's complex. For specifics check
Drakkenstrike's video as someone recommended.
onze...@gmail.com
Mar 31, 2012, 4:02:13 PM3/31/12
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Jake Waltier (Twentysides)
Mar 31, 2012, 4:13:48 PM3/31/12
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I've seen Jeremy's video, but it doesn't help me much. He goes over
the mechanisms and components but doesn't go into much detail about
what he likes, what he doesn't like, and why. This is what I find
valuable in a review.
the mechanisms and components but doesn't go into much detail about
what he likes, what he doesn't like, and why. This is what I find
valuable in a review.
Julia Ziobro
Mar 31, 2012, 7:03:06 PM3/31/12
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It's been on my wishlist for a while and deeply discounted, I would buy it without hesitation. I honestly can't remember why I put it on my wishlist, except that someone I know likes the same kinds of games I do said it was great, and it looks really interesting.
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Doesn't seem like you have much to lose, but you might be sad if you miss it for cheap. :-)
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