Wireless sources to projectors

[Thomas, Harry (CIV)]

What are you using for connecting sources to your displays wirelessly? How do you like it, what do you not like?

Thanks,

Harry

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Harry Thomas

AV/VTC Engineer

Educational Technologies

Naval Postgraduate School

Monterey, California

831-656-7671

[Keith Mills]

So far, no wireless to displays, unless you count the AppleTV in my office.

 

Remember—the best designed, best manufactured, best installed, best maintained, and best operated wireless system is almost as good as a cable.

 

K.

 

Keith Mills

Manager, Classroom Services

IT—Communications/Media

MLB 25, 2500 University Drive, NW

Calgary, Alberta, Canada

T2N 1N4

Phone:  (403)-220-6386

E-mail:  kmi...@ucalgary.ca

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[Johanne Rioux]

Did you try the Solstice product from Mersive? We are testing it and the results have been good.

Johanne 

Laurentian University

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From: Keith Mills Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 4:57 PM To: av...@googlegroups.com Subject: [av-1] RE: Wireless sources to projectors

[Warren, Frank]

We are deploying some Apple TV's in rooms for a pilot program with ipads this fall. In testing we have seen some issues with HDCP handshakes and needs for reboots or switching to another HDMI source and then back to the Apple TV. I have a feeling we might be getting a lot of trouble calls. At infocom we saw the "Christie Brio" that may have some potential, although it's pretty expensive.

http://www.christiedigital.com/en-us/presentation-systems/share-the-future/pages/default.aspx?nvk_medium=cpc&nvk_source=google&nvk_term=christie%20brio&nvk_content_id=40040744739&nvk_campaign=bp-brio-other&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_term=christie%20brio&utm_content_id=brio-features&utm_campaign=bp-brio-other&s_kwcid=AL!4258!3!40040744739!e!!g!!christie%20brio&ef_id=UGYX6wAATFUVEfOl:20140724222024:s


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From: Keith Mills <kmi...@ucalgary.ca<mailto:kmi...@ucalgary.ca>>
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Date: Thursday, July 24, 2014 1:56 PM
To: "av...@googlegroups.com<mailto:av...@googlegroups.com>" <av...@googlegroups.com<mailto:av...@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: [av-1] RE: Wireless sources to projectors

So far, no wireless to displays, unless you count the AppleTV in my office.

Remember—the best designed, best manufactured, best installed, best maintained, and best operated wireless system is almost as good as a cable.

K.

Keith Mills
Manager, Classroom Services
IT—Communications/Media
MLB 25, 2500 University Drive, NW
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
T2N 1N4
Phone: (403)-220-6386

E-mail: kmi...@ucalgary.ca<mailto:kmi...@ucalgary.ca>

From: av...@googlegroups.com<mailto:av...@googlegroups.com> [mailto:av...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Thomas, Harry (CIV)
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Subject: [av-1] Wireless sources to projectors

What are you using for connecting sources to your displays wirelessly? How do you like it, what do you not like?

Thanks,
Harry

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Harry Thomas
AV/VTC Engineer
Educational Technologies
Naval Postgraduate School
Monterey, California
831-656-7671
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[Joel Bennett]

Frank,

We are also thinking of piloting the Apple TVs in a few classrooms this fall. Are you routing the Apple TVs though a switcher or matrix or is it a direct connection with the projector?

On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 3:29 PM, Warren, Frank <fwa...@chapman.edu> wrote:

We are deploying some Apple TV's in rooms for a pilot program with ipads this fall.  In testing we have seen some issues with HDCP handshakes and needs for reboots or switching to another HDMI source and then back to the Apple TV. I have a feeling we might be getting a lot of trouble calls.   At infocom we saw the "Christie Brio" that may have some potential, although it's pretty expensive.

http://www.christiedigital.com/en-us/presentation-systems/share-the-future/pages/default.aspx?nvk_medium=cpc&nvk_source=google&nvk_term=christie%20brio&nvk_content_id=40040744739&nvk_campaign=bp-brio-other&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_term=christie%20brio&utm_content_id=brio-features&utm_campaign=bp-brio-other&s_kwcid=AL!4258!3!40040744739!e!!g!!christie%20brio&ef_id=UGYX6wAATFUVEfOl:20140724222024:s


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Chapman University
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From: Keith Mills <kmi...@ucalgary.ca<mailto:kmi...@ucalgary.ca>>
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Date: Thursday, July 24, 2014 1:56 PM
To: "av...@googlegroups.com<mailto:av...@googlegroups.com>" <av...@googlegroups.com<mailto:av...@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: [av-1] RE: Wireless sources to projectors

So far, no wireless to displays, unless you count the AppleTV in my office.

Remember--the best designed, best manufactured, best installed, best maintained, and best operated wireless system is almost as good as a cable.

K.

Keith Mills
Manager, Classroom Services

IT--Communications/Media

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[Thomas, Harry (CIV)]

Ok Frank, you got me interested. The Brio is pricey, but also pretty fully
featured. And a solution that requires no software on the client makes me
purr.

Harry

>Remember--the best designed, best manufactured, best installed, best

>maintained, and best operated wireless system is almost as good as a
>cable.
>
>K.
>
>Keith Mills
>Manager, Classroom Services

>IT--Communications/Media

>email to av-1+uns...@googlegroups.com.

[Dechter, Christopher]

We're looking at Apple TVs in limited testing, perhaps this fall.  The primary issue we see is network-related as the Apple TV's multicast traffic is very noisy.  As I understand it, this fall iOS 8 will support Wi-Fi Direct which would (presumably) allow the Apple TV to not even be on the network, so that might be a solution.  It's similar in that aspect to the Miracast devices, though those are also still new and as-yet unproven.  

Chris

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University of Missouri - Kansas City

From: <Thomas>, "Harry (CIV)" <hth...@nps.edu>
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Date: Thursday, July 24, 2014 2:46 PM
To: "av...@googlegroups.com" <av...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: [av-1] Wireless sources to projectors

What are you using for connecting sources to your displays wirelessly? How do you like it, what do you not like?

Thanks,

Harry

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Harry Thomas

AV/VTC Engineer

Educational Technologies

Naval Postgraduate School

Monterey, California

831-656-7671

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[Donald E Newman]

Looks like there are a number of new wireless(/thin client?) presentation gateway with rapidly expanding capabililities:  Christie Brio, AMX Enzo, Crestron Airmedia, Barco Clickshare, and ?  Some apparently share a common platform so maybe a lower cost, more IT friendly,  more mature solution is here … or on the way. 

 

Chris: Wouldn’t a separate dedicated wi-fi connection to the device (Apple TV or ?) mean that the laptop/phone/tablet could not simultaneously access the internet?

 

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Donald Newman

CTL - Classroom Support

University of Georgia

706-542-3456

[Dechter, Christopher]

Donald, 

That's one of the potential issues I see with Wi-Fi Direct (at least if I understand the technology correctly), because if that's the case, it's going to be a deal breaker for many applications.

Chris

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[MIKE BRANDES]

Here are a few reviews I did of some products, that may shed some light about how they function in the higher-ed space. Obviously everyone’s networks and security settings are different, but here you go

 

Crestron AirMedia

Christie Brio

Barco Clickshare

 

Best,

 

Mike Brandes, CTS, DMC-D

Media Specialist

Campus Information Services

Palm Beach Atlantic University

561.803.2045

[Johanne Rioux]

Has anyone tried the Solstice product by Mersive?

http://www.mersive.com/products/solstice/

JOHanne

>>> MIKE BRANDES <MICHAEL...@pba.edu> 25/07/2014 9:27 AM >>>

[Doug Smith]

Kramer Electronics demo'd their new V/A Collage and V/A Connect products.  Very interesting options.

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[Thomas, Harry (CIV)]

"Wouldn’t a separate dedicated wi-fi connection to the device (Apple TV or ?) mean that the laptop/phone/tablet could not simultaneously access the internet?”

Precisely the problem I see. Although there are lots of occasions when a presenter doesn’t actually NEED network resources, the need is far too common for us to rely on that type of platform. They do look like handy utility belt tools for ad-hoc setups in locations where network access is limited or non-existent anyway, but for us they’d fail in our classrooms & meeting spaces.

Harry

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Harry Thomas

AV/VTC Engineer

Educational Technologies

Naval Postgraduate School

Monterey, California

From: Donald E Newman <dene...@uga.edu>
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[Matthew Wilk]

Doug

 

What are your thoughts on this? Does it work as advertised?

 

matt

 

Matthew M. Wilk

Associate Director, Technical Services & Operations

Digital Classroom Services

Undergraduate Academic Affairs

Rutgers, the State University of New Jersey

848-445-3211

http://DCS.rutgers.edu

 

[Doug Smith]

I haven't been able to work with it myself yet but the demos at Infocomm were quite impressive.

[Thomas, Harry (CIV)]

Very helpful reviews, Mike. Thanks.

I spoke with Christie this morning. Two additional Brio units will be shipping in September. They have built-in WAPs, but he confirmed they can be disabled, which serves us well. One of our challenges is that we’re not allowed to deploy our own WAPs on the LAN, so any device that depends on built-in WiFi has very limited utility.

For us, getting the NOC involved is a given.

Harry

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Harry Thomas

AV/VTC Engineer

Educational Technologies

Naval Postgraduate School

Monterey, California

From: MIKE BRANDES <MICHAEL...@pba.edu>
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[Warren, Frank]

They go to a TV one AP-536 HDMI audio extractor and then to an EXTRON MPS-409 switcher. This slows down the HDCP handshake and increases the delay between source button push and the apperance of the image at the display. We could put them directly in to an HDMI input to the projector but the Panasonic projectors we use have only one HDMI input. Also, because the MPS- 409 does not take in combined HDMI with audio we would still need the audio extractor. We would also need to pull extra cable ffrom Rack to projector. I think if apple TV's go over well with faculty and the network admin has no issues, we would probably redesign our classroom systems on future upgrades to make things work a little better.

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Chapman University
fwa...@chapman.edu
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(714) 653-3307 cell

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From: Joel Bennett <jjbe...@scu.edu<mailto:jjbe...@scu.edu>>
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Subject: Re: [av-1] RE: Wireless sources to projectors

Frank,

We are also thinking of piloting the Apple TVs in a few classrooms this fall. Are you routing the Apple TVs though a switcher or matrix or is it a direct connection with the projector?

On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 3:29 PM, Warren, Frank <fwa...@chapman.edu<mailto:fwa...@chapman.edu>> wrote:
We are deploying some Apple TV's in rooms for a pilot program with ipads this fall. In testing we have seen some issues with HDCP handshakes and needs for reboots or switching to another HDMI source and then back to the Apple TV. I have a feeling we might be getting a lot of trouble calls. At infocom we saw the "Christie Brio" that may have some potential, although it's pretty expensive.

http://www.christiedigital.com/en-us/presentation-systems/share-the-future/pages/default.aspx?nvk_medium=cpc&nvk_source=google&nvk_term=christie%20brio&nvk_content_id=40040744739&nvk_campaign=bp-brio-other&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_term=christie%20brio&utm_content_id=brio-features&utm_campaign=bp-brio-other&s_kwcid=AL!4258!3!40040744739!e!!g!!christie%20brio&ef_id=UGYX6wAATFUVEfOl:20140724222024:s


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Chapman University

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From: Keith Mills <kmi...@ucalgary.ca<mailto:kmi...@ucalgary.ca><mailto:kmi...@ucalgary.ca<mailto:kmi...@ucalgary.ca>>>
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Subject: [av-1] RE: Wireless sources to projectors

So far, no wireless to displays, unless you count the AppleTV in my office.

Remember--the best designed, best manufactured, best installed, best maintained, and best operated wireless system is almost as good as a cable.

K.

Keith Mills
Manager, Classroom Services
IT--Communications/Media
MLB 25, 2500 University Drive, NW
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
T2N 1N4

Phone: (403)-220-6386<tel:%28403%29-220-6386>
E-mail: kmi...@ucalgary.ca<mailto:kmi...@ucalgary.ca><mailto:kmi...@ucalgary.ca<mailto:kmi...@ucalgary.ca>>

From: av...@googlegroups.com<mailto:av...@googlegroups.com><mailto:av...@googlegroups.com<mailto:av...@googlegroups.com>> [mailto:av...@googlegroups.com<mailto:av...@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Thomas, Harry (CIV)
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Subject: [av-1] Wireless sources to projectors

What are you using for connecting sources to your displays wirelessly? How do you like it, what do you not like?

Thanks,
Harry

------------------------------------
Harry Thomas
AV/VTC Engineer
Educational Technologies
Naval Postgraduate School
Monterey, California

831-656-7671<tel:831-656-7671>

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[Larson, Kelly J.]

We have been searching for an agnostic solution.. Apple, Android, windows.

We have been trying Apple TV out and had some success, except they still don't play well with others. Also, when your IT system wants to push out updates ..yes including AppleTV. We are use the AppleTV into a Crestron DMPS-300 system that is in a comm closet and away from the user. So IR emitter controls are being used, which also messes up the updates.


Crestron Airmedia is far too much $$$ and the Network people don't like any more rouge APs than they have already.

Christie falls under the $$$ area also.

We have done tests with Chromecast, but they have some security issues and have not released the IOS solution. But I have not checked recently. If the security can be figured out, this will work for us.



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St. Cloud State University
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