Paris: another day, another Muslim terror attack

[Abominable Liar Party]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/64749010/Paris-terror-attack-12-killed-at-satirical-newspaper-Charlie-Hebdo

It's starting to look that way.





--
Tax Receipts, Costello: 2003-07: 982,341
Tax Receipts, Swan: 2007-11: 1,174,203
Difference: ONE HUNDRED AND NINETY-ONE BILLION DOLLARS
http://www.treasury.gov.au/Policy-Topics/Taxation/Pocket-Guide-to-the-Australian-Tax-System/Pocket-Guide-to-the-Australian-Tax-System/Appendix-C

Balance, Costello: $20b surplus
Costello balanced every budget, produced 10 surpluses out of 11 budgets
(inherited 1 deficit from Keating)

Balance, Swan: $280b debt
Never balanced a budget, averaged $40b overspend per budget.

Australian Labor Party ineptitude: $20b opening balance plus $280b
closing balance plus $191b more revenue = $491b

So what did Labor leave as a legacy after SPENDING $491 BILLION?
NO INFRASTRUCTURE
600,000 MORE UNEMPLOYED
60,000 VISA CHEATS
14,000+ PAGES OF LEGISLATION
1 X MISOGYNY SPEECH

ALP versus Jobs:
http://www.roymorgan.com/~/media/Files/Morgan%20Poll/2014/October/5842-monthly.JPG

Martin Amis describing the Leftwing affinity for Islamic radicalism:
"People of liberal sympathies, stupefied by relativism, have become the
apologists for a creedal wave that is racist, misogynist, homophobic,
imperialist, and genocidal. To put it another way, they are up the arse
of those that want them dead".

The Basic Laws of Australian Labor:
"A stupid person is a person who causes losses to another person or to a
group of persons while himself deriving no gain and even possibly
incurring losses"
http://www.zoon.cc/stupid/

Labor's scorecard:
600,000 more unemployed, 3 minus 3 car manufacturers equals zero,
Whyalla on life support, a decimated aluminium industry, doubled
electricity prices, quarter of a million immigrants and no new
infrasructure, fourteen thousand new pages of legislation, one abuse
hypocritical and silly speech on 'misogyny', four deceased apprentices,
one thousand two hundred drowned asylum seekers, a handbag with an
affinity for being fingered (up the rear) by small Asian women, one
"world's greatest finance minister", three huge unfunded promises,
cancellation of the "$500b investment pipeline", another stolen
generation, 1,000 kids in detention, 50,000 unwanted & unqualified visa
cheats
(http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-16/boat-arrivals-by-year-graph/4694210),
two fraud artists - an MP and an ALP national president, one paedophile
- convicted, that is, one former rape suspect, one lazy Victorian police
force, insufficient evidence, lost evidence, destruction of evidence and
half a trillion dollars of debt, one squandered mining boom
(http://www.rba.gov.au/publications/bulletin/2009/jan/images/lvl-dist-mining-graph3.gif),
one (um) jumped-up twit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PguhkVG49To),
one minus one democracy (http://www.menzieshouse.com.au/?p=4905) and
last but not least ... the first fat arsed PM in Australian history
(http://tinyurl.com/Gillard4Sale).

#auspol #ausdebate

[Petzl]

On Thu, 08 Jan 2015 11:34:38 +1100, Abominable Liar Party
<bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote:

>http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/64749010/Paris-terror-attack-12-killed-at-satirical-newspaper-Charlie-Hebdo
>
>It's starting to look that way.

Wonder what Australia's exit plan is?
Our Christian Australian Race has been warning about bringing "the
religion of peace" to Australia since before "our" government did
(1975)
Whats our governments exit strategy to be rid of this curse?
Christians of Mohammad's day called him and his followers Moslems
(Aramaic for "Evil and unjust")

"Finally, note the terms by which Christ designates those who are the
friends of God and those who are His enemies: good and just, evil and
unjust-the first term relating to character, the second to conduct"
--
Petzl
The Christian belief and fact is Moslems are deceived.
Like Schizophrenics, they need therapy;
Not confirmation of their delusions.
The recognized place of worship in a Christian Nation is a Christian Church.
Mosques are the recognized place of worship only in Moslem countries
Australia's only legally defined God is our Christian God whose compound redemptive name is Lord Jesus Christ
Something as simple as denying Moslems a place to pray is all it takes to make them leave voluntarily and peacefully.

[Crazy Horse]

Abominable Liar Party wrote:
>
> http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/64749010/Paris-terror-attack-12-killed-at-satirical-newspaper-Charlie-Hebdo
>
> It's starting to look that way.

They're bastards alright.

Of course one way to stop Islamic terrorism is to bury dead terrorists, or in the case of suicide bombers, body parts, with the body of a pig.

Televise each burial, plaster photos on all newspapers, swamp social media, and watch acts of terrorism stop overnight.

No fundamentalist Muslim wants to spend eternity with a pig.

He knows he can kiss the hereafter goodbye as well as all those virgins.

Having said that, I wonder how long a satirical newspaper in the bible-belt in the US would survive if it published cartoons of a naked Christ and Christ buggering animals?

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"No cuts to the ABC or SBS."
- Tony Abbott

[Abominable Liar Party]

On 8/01/2015 1:21 PM, Crazy Horse wrote:
> Abominable Liar Party wrote:
>>
>> http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/64749010/Paris-terror-attack-12-killed-at-satirical-newspaper-Charlie-Hebdo
>>
>> It's starting to look that way.
>
> They're bastards alright.
>
> Of course one way to stop Islamic terrorism is to bury dead terrorists, or in the case of suicide bombers, body parts, with the body of a pig.
>
> Televise each burial, plaster photos on all newspapers, swamp social media, and watch acts of terrorism stop overnight.
>
> No fundamentalist Muslim wants to spend eternity with a pig.
>
> He knows he can kiss the hereafter goodbye as well as all those virgins.

It's a good idea, but try to be original in future:
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pershing.asp

>
> Having said that, I wonder how long a satirical newspaper in the bible-belt in the US would survive if it published cartoons of a naked Christ and Christ buggering animals?

You're an idiot:
http://newsdessins.canalblog.com/archives/2014/11/24/31021983.html

>
> ----------
>
> "No cuts to the ABC or SBS."
> - Tony Abbott
>

[Abominable Liar Party]

On 8/01/2015 1:00 PM, Petzl wrote:
> On Thu, 08 Jan 2015 11:34:38 +1100, Abominable Liar Party
> <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote:
>
>> http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/64749010/Paris-terror-attack-12-killed-at-satirical-newspaper-Charlie-Hebdo
>>
>> It's starting to look that way.
>
> Wonder what Australia's exit plan is?
> Our Christian Australian Race has been warning about bringing "the
> religion of peace" to Australia since before "our" government did
> (1975)
> Whats our governments exit strategy to be rid of this curse?
> Christians of Mohammad's day called him and his followers Moslems
> (Aramaic for "Evil and unjust")
>

There were two of them & neither was Australian AFAIK.

The front line is freedom of speech not religion.

The appropriate response is what hits them back the hardest:
https://twitter.com/pierremorel/status/552966249127628800/photo/1

Will you help sponsor a website with disgusting pictures of Christ?

Let's see if you understand the issue.

[Crazy Horse]

Abominable Foster wrote:
> Crazy Horse wrote:
> > Abominable Liar Party wrote:
> >>
> >> http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/64749010/Paris-terror-attack-12-killed-at-satirical-newspaper-Charlie-Hebdo
> >>
> >> It's starting to look that way.
> >
> > They're bastards alright.
> >
> > Of course one way to stop Islamic terrorism is to bury dead terrorists, or in the case of suicide bombers, body parts, with the body of a pig.
> >
> > Televise each burial, plaster photos on all newspapers, swamp social media, and watch acts of terrorism stop overnight.
> >
> > No fundamentalist Muslim wants to spend eternity with a pig.
> >
> > He knows he can kiss the hereafter goodbye as well as all those virgins.
>
> It's a good idea, but try to be original in future:
> http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pershing.asp

If that link were true it would be proof that great minds think alike.

But as usual, congenital idiot that you are, you take an urban myth as fact...

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_black_jack_pershing.htm

A bit like you took Colebatche's fiction as fact.

Jesus, you really are a card-carrying moron.

> > Having said that, I wonder how long a satirical newspaper in the bible-belt in the US would survive if it published cartoons of a naked Christ and Christ buggering animals?
>
> You're an idiot:
> http://newsdessins.canalblog.com/archives/2014/11/24/31021983.html

You're the idiot, that satirical newspaper operated in Paris France not Paris Texas.

Now read this s-l-o-w-l-y this time, you don't want to get ahead of your one functioning neurone:

I wonder how long a satirical newspaper in the bible-belt in the US would survive if it published cartoons of a naked Christ and Christ buggering animals?

-----------

Another Foster Bushism:

"A 'lexicon' is a dictionary, you twot. Presumably you meant vocabulary."

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

[Abominable Liar Party]

On 8/01/2015 4:54 PM, Crazy Horse wrote:
> Abominable Foster wrote:
>> Crazy Horse wrote:
>>> Abominable Liar Party wrote:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/64749010/Paris-terror-attack-12-killed-at-satirical-newspaper-Charlie-Hebdo
>>>>
>>>> It's starting to look that way.
>>>
>>> They're bastards alright.
>>>
>>> Of course one way to stop Islamic terrorism is to bury dead terrorists, or in the case of suicide bombers, body parts, with the body of a pig.
>>>
>>> Televise each burial, plaster photos on all newspapers, swamp social media, and watch acts of terrorism stop overnight.
>>>
>>> No fundamentalist Muslim wants to spend eternity with a pig.
>>>
>>> He knows he can kiss the hereafter goodbye as well as all those virgins.
>>
>> It's a good idea, but try to be original in future:
>> http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pershing.asp
>
> If that link were true it would be proof that great minds think alike.
>
> But as usual, congenital idiot that you are, you take an urban myth as fact...
>
> http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_black_jack_pershing.htm

Jeez you are a moron - so you're saying that your 'great mind' share is
a myth.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!

>
> A bit like you took Colebatche's fiction as fact.
>
> Jesus, you really are a card-carrying moron.

See above. Nice projection. ROTFL!

>
>>> Having said that, I wonder how long a satirical newspaper in the bible-belt in the US would survive if it published cartoons of a naked Christ and Christ buggering animals?
>>
>> You're an idiot:
>> http://newsdessins.canalblog.com/archives/2014/11/24/31021983.html
>
> You're the idiot, that satirical newspaper operated in Paris France not Paris Texas.

Yes, you fuckwit - and HOW MANY TIMES WAS IT THREATENED BY CHRISTIAN
EXTREMISTS?

F'ken idiot.

>
> Now read this s-l-o-w-l-y this time, you don't want to get ahead of your one functioning neurone:
>
> I wonder how long a satirical newspaper in the bible-belt in the US would survive if it published cartoons of a naked Christ and Christ buggering animals?
>
> -----------
>
> Another Foster Bushism:
>
> "A 'lexicon' is a dictionary, you twot. Presumably you meant vocabulary."
>
> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
>

[Crazy Horse]

Abominable Foster wrote:
> Crazy Horse wrote:
> > Abominable Foster wrote:
> >> Crazy Horse wrote:
> >>> Abominable Liar Party wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/64749010/Paris-terror-attack-12-killed-at-satirical-newspaper-Charlie-Hebdo
> >>>>
> >>>> It's starting to look that way.
> >>>
> >>> They're bastards alright.
> >>>
> >>> Of course one way to stop Islamic terrorism is to bury dead terrorists, or in the case of suicide bombers, body parts, with the body of a pig.
> >>>
> >>> Televise each burial, plaster photos on all newspapers, swamp social media, and watch acts of terrorism stop overnight.
> >>>
> >>> No fundamentalist Muslim wants to spend eternity with a pig.
> >>>
> >>> He knows he can kiss the hereafter goodbye as well as all those virgins.
> >>
> >> It's a good idea, but try to be original in future:
> >> http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pershing.asp
> >
> > If that link were true it would be proof that great minds think alike.
> >
> > But as usual, congenital idiot that you are, you take an urban myth as fact...
> >
> > http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_black_jack_pershing.htm
>
> Jeez you are a moron - so you're saying that your 'great mind' share is
> a myth.

FFS There's that one functioning neurone of yours letting you down again.

I said, **If that link were true** it would be proof that great minds think alike.

You are dyslectic aren't you?

> > A bit like you took Colebatche's fiction as fact.

I see you've finally given up defending him.

Very wise.

> > Jesus, you really are a card-carrying moron.
>
> See above. Nice projection. ROTFL!

The only thing I can see above is your profound problem with comprehension.

> >>> Having said that, I wonder how long a satirical newspaper in the bible-belt in the US would survive if it published cartoons of a naked Christ and Christ buggering animals?
> >>
> >> You're an idiot:
> >> http://newsdessins.canalblog.com/archives/2014/11/24/31021983.html
> >
> > You're the idiot, that satirical newspaper operated in Paris France not Paris Texas.
>
> Yes, you fuckwit - and HOW MANY TIMES WAS IT THREATENED BY CHRISTIAN
> EXTREMISTS?

Irrelevant to my question. And stop shouting you hysterical fool.

Now see below and don't run away this time...

> > Now read this s-l-o-w-l-y this time, you don't want to get ahead of your one functioning neurone:
> >
> > I wonder how long a satirical newspaper in the bible-belt in the US would survive if it published cartoons of a naked Christ and Christ buggering animals?

waiting! chirp,chip,chirp,chirp..

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[dechucka]

"Abominable Liar Party" <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote in message
news:ch61l4...@mid.individual.net...

> http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/64749010/Paris-terror-attack-12-killed-at-satirical-newspaper-Charlie-Hebdo
>
> It's starting to look that way.

Seems a strange one with an ID card left in the getaway card but they're
probably not very smart.

So what is the solution to radical Islam?

[Petzl]

On Thu, 8 Jan 2015 17:56:34 +1100, "dechucka" <Dech...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

[Crazy Horse]

dechucka wrote:
> "Abominable Liar Party" wrote in message

>
> > http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/64749010/Paris-terror-attack-12-killed-at-satirical-newspaper-Charlie-Hebdo
> >
> > It's starting to look that way.
>
> Seems a strange one with an ID card left in the getaway card but they're
> probably not very smart.
>
> So what is the solution to radical Islam?

Stop brown-nosing, I'm sure he'll let you out of the sin bin eventually.

But why ask an Aussie-hating arsehole like Foster, who reckons Australians were traitors during WW2, about other arseholes?

----------

"Mr Costello thought Mr Abbott's dismissive attitude towards economic 
management made him unsuitable as a potential deputy".

The multi-billion dollar budget deficit blow-out is certainly testament to that fact.

[Abominable Liar Party]

On 8/01/2015 6:26 PM, Crazy Horse wrote:
> dechucka wrote:
>> "Abominable Liar Party" wrote in message
>>
>>> http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/64749010/Paris-terror-attack-12-killed-at-satirical-newspaper-Charlie-Hebdo
>>>
>>> It's starting to look that way.
>>
>> Seems a strange one with an ID card left in the getaway card but they're
>> probably not very smart.
>>
>> So what is the solution to radical Islam?
>
> Stop brown-nosing, I'm sure he'll let you out of the sin bin eventually.

You'd be the expert on brown-nosing.

>
> But why ask an Aussie-hating arsehole like Foster, who reckons Australians were traitors during WW2, about other arseholes?
>
> ----------
>
> "Mr Costello thought Mr Abbott's dismissive attitude towards economic 
management made him unsuitable as a potential deputy".
>
> The multi-billion dollar budget deficit blow-out is certainly testament to that fact.
>

[Abominable Liar Party]

On 8/01/2015 6:26 PM, Petzl wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Jan 2015 17:56:34 +1100, "dechucka" <Dech...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Abominable Liar Party" <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:ch61l4...@mid.individual.net...
>>> http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/64749010/Paris-terror-attack-12-killed-at-satirical-newspaper-Charlie-Hebdo
>>>
>>> It's starting to look that way.
>>
>> Seems a strange one with an ID card left in the getaway card but they're
>> probably not very smart.
>>
>> So what is the solution to radical Islam?

Post more cartoons - thousands of them.

Moderates won't be too bothered about these things. If anyone is
bothered, they're not moderate.

Post similar cartoons of Christ. JC's a nice guy, he'll get it.

Repeal 18C.

[dechucka]

"Abominable Liar Party" <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote in message

news:ch6rbe...@mid.individual.net...

> On 8/01/2015 6:26 PM, Petzl wrote:
>> On Thu, 8 Jan 2015 17:56:34 +1100, "dechucka" <Dech...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Abominable Liar Party" <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:ch61l4...@mid.individual.net...
>>>> http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/64749010/Paris-terror-attack-12-killed-at-satirical-newspaper-Charlie-Hebdo
>>>>
>>>> It's starting to look that way.
>>>
>>> Seems a strange one with an ID card left in the getaway card but they're
>>> probably not very smart.
>>>
>>> So what is the solution to radical Islam?
>
> Post more cartoons - thousands of them.

Helping how?

>
> Moderates won't be too bothered about these things. If anyone is bothered,
> they're not moderate.

So?

>
> Post similar cartoons of Christ. JC's a nice guy, he'll get it.
>
> Repeal 18C.

How will that help?

[dechucka]

"Crazy Horse" <sof...@aapt.net.au> wrote in message
news:a66036c4-2d5e-4dfb...@googlegroups.com...

dechucka wrote:
> "Abominable Liar Party" wrote in message
>
> > http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/64749010/Paris-terror-attack-12-killed-at-satirical-newspaper-Charlie-Hebdo
> >
> > It's starting to look that way.
>
> Seems a strange one with an ID card left in the getaway card but they're
> probably not very smart.
>
> So what is the solution to radical Islam?

Stop brown-nosing, I'm sure he'll let you out of the sin bin eventually.

================

It was a serious question. He expounds the problem as he sees it so I'm
asking for a solution

[Pelican]

"dechucka" <Dech...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:XLCdnRlkxp72eDPJ...@westnet.com.au...

That's like asking for the solution to radical Christianity, or radical
Jewry. It's a meaningless question.

If you ask why some people who are Islamic become violent, that's much more
specific.

[Pelican]

"dechucka" <Dech...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:85-dnWaML-GHeDPJ...@westnet.com.au...

Haven't you got the message? Hint: Foster has no solution to anything.

[dechucka]

"Pelican" <water...@sea.somewhere.org.ir> wrote in message
news:m8msn0$e2s$1...@dont-email.me...

Not sure it is. If it is felt that this is a learnt behaviour then surely
intervention is possible

>
> If you ask why some people who are Islamic become violent, that's much
> more specific.

I'll go with this as well

[Abominable Liar Party]

What is your solution, Mr 'It-Happens-Everyday'?

[Abominable Liar Party]

Are you an idiot?
Because they are offended by cartoons.

[dechucka]

"Abominable Liar Party" <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote in message

news:ch8dlr...@mid.individual.net...

you were asked the question in relation to YOUR OP 'Paris: another day,
another Muslim terror attack" and came up with things that you can't explain

[dechucka]

"Abominable Liar Party" <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote in message

news:ch8dq4...@mid.individual.net...

> On 9/01/2015 8:27 AM, Pelican wrote:
>>
>>
>> "dechucka" <Dech...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:XLCdnRlkxp72eDPJ...@westnet.com.au...
>>>
>>> "Crazy Horse" <sof...@aapt.net.au> wrote in message
>>> news:a66036c4-2d5e-4dfb...@googlegroups.com...
>>> dechucka wrote:
>>>> "Abominable Liar Party" wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/64749010/Paris-terror-attack-12-killed-at-satirical-newspaper-Charlie-Hebdo
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > It's starting to look that way.
>>>>
>>>> Seems a strange one with an ID card left in the getaway card but
>>>> they're
>>>> probably not very smart.
>>>>
>>>> So what is the solution to radical Islam?
>>>
>>> Stop brown-nosing, I'm sure he'll let you out of the sin bin eventually.
>>>
>>>
>>> ================
>>>
>>> It was a serious question. He expounds the problem as he sees it so
>>> I'm asking for a solution
>>
>> That's like asking for the solution to radical Christianity, or radical
>> Jewry. It's a meaningless question.
>>
>> If you ask why some people who are Islamic become violent, that's much
>> more specific.
>
> Are you an idiot?
> Because they are offended by cartoons.

so your answer is to ban the cartoons?

[Abominable Liar Party]

On 9/01/2015 8:27 AM, Pelican wrote:

> That's like asking for the solution to radical Christianity, or radical
> Jewry.

Paraphrase: That's like asking for the solution to a non-problem

You're an idiot.

[Pelican]

"dechucka" <Dech...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:O_mdndWkKOKkZzPJ...@westnet.com.au...

There are multiple versions of Islam, some of which may be radical in
different ways. There is no such thing as a radical Islam. Just as there
is no such thing as radical Christianity, or radical Jewry.

>> If you ask why some people who are Islamic become violent, that's much
>> more specific.
>
> I'll go with this as well

Then you can compare, for example, Irish groups that engaged in violent
behaviour, with Islamic groups that engage in violent behaviour. They have
political objectives. What is becoming very clear is that the world is not
facing a conflict between Islam and (say) the west. It is a standard,
common-garden variety of informal warfare with political objectives.

If you want solutions, you might look at ways of resolving the political
objectives involved, and the interests involved resisting any change. To
the extent that intervention is involved, an obvious step is that cretins
like Abbott should stop beating the "terrorist" drum. It's not about
terrorists or terrorism. It's not about Islam. It's about dealing with
political conflict in a rational way. When that is not done, and it quite
obviously isn't being done, those aggrieved pursue irrational ways of
achieving their objectives. It's been like that for a few 1,000 years.

[Pelican]

"Abominable Liar Party" <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote in message

news:ch8dq4...@mid.individual.net...

> On 9/01/2015 8:27 AM, Pelican wrote:
>>
>>
>> "dechucka" <Dech...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:XLCdnRlkxp72eDPJ...@westnet.com.au...
>>>
>>> "Crazy Horse" <sof...@aapt.net.au> wrote in message
>>> news:a66036c4-2d5e-4dfb...@googlegroups.com...
>>> dechucka wrote:
>>>> "Abominable Liar Party" wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/64749010/Paris-terror-attack-12-killed-at-satirical-newspaper-Charlie-Hebdo
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > It's starting to look that way.
>>>>
>>>> Seems a strange one with an ID card left in the getaway card but
>>>> they're
>>>> probably not very smart.
>>>>
>>>> So what is the solution to radical Islam?
>>>
>>> Stop brown-nosing, I'm sure he'll let you out of the sin bin eventually.
>>>
>>>
>>> ================
>>>
>>> It was a serious question. He expounds the problem as he sees it so
>>> I'm asking for a solution
>>
>> That's like asking for the solution to radical Christianity, or radical
>> Jewry. It's a meaningless question.
>>
>> If you ask why some people who are Islamic become violent, that's much
>> more specific.
>
> Are you an idiot?

No.

> Because they are offended by cartoons.

They may be offended. Many people are offended by particular cartoons at
different times. That is no explanation of why a couple of people became so
offended that they chose to murder the people they believe offended them.

[Pelican]

"dechucka" <Dech...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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I see the penny hasn't dropped. Foster has no answer.

[Pelican]

"Abominable Liar Party" <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote in message

news:ch8e21...@mid.individual.net...

> On 9/01/2015 8:27 AM, Pelican wrote:
>> That's like asking for the solution to radical Christianity, or radical
>> Jewry.
>
> Paraphrase: That's like asking for the solution to a non-problem

That is almost correct.

> You're an idiot.

You are a stupid fuckwit.

[Pelican]

"Abominable Liar Party" <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote in message

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I have now explained how the situation might be looked at that doesn't
trivialise the issue as radical Islamic terrorists. You, of course, won't
like it, but you won't understand it.

[dechucka]

"Abominable Liar Party" <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote in message

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> On 9/01/2015 8:27 AM, Pelican wrote:
>> That's like asking for the solution to radical Christianity, or radical
>> Jewry.
>
> Paraphrase: That's like asking for the solution to a non-problem

So you believe there is no radical Christians or Jews? What about the
Anti-balaka Christian militants, the anti Hindu violence by Christians in
India, Sabra and Shatila massacres, Lords Resistance Army and the Christian
abortionist killings

[Abominable Liar Party]

Which is the one that murders cartoonists?



<rest of the meaningless drivel ignored>

>
>>> If you ask why some people who are Islamic become violent, that's
>>> much more specific.
>>
>> I'll go with this as well
>
> Then you can compare, for example, Irish groups that engaged in violent
> behaviour, with Islamic groups that engage in violent behaviour. They
> have political objectives. What is becoming very clear is that the
> world is not facing a conflict between Islam and (say) the west. It is
> a standard, common-garden variety of informal warfare with political
> objectives.
>
> If you want solutions, you might look at ways of resolving the political
> objectives involved, and the interests involved resisting any change.
> To the extent that intervention is involved, an obvious step is that
> cretins like Abbott should stop beating the "terrorist" drum. It's not
> about terrorists or terrorism. It's not about Islam. It's about
> dealing with political conflict in a rational way. When that is not
> done, and it quite obviously isn't being done, those aggrieved pursue
> irrational ways of achieving their objectives. It's been like that for
> a few 1,000 years.

[Abominable Liar Party]

You probably didn't understand it.

[Crazy Horse]

dechucka wrote:
> "Crazy Horse" wrote in message

> dechucka wrote:
> > "Abominable Liar Party" wrote in message
> >
> > > http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/64749010/Paris-terror-attack-12-killed-at-satirical-newspaper-Charlie-Hebdo
> > >
> > > It's starting to look that way.
> >
> > Seems a strange one with an ID card left in the getaway card but they're
> > probably not very smart.
> >
> > So what is the solution to radical Islam?
>
> Stop brown-nosing, I'm sure he'll let you out of the sin bin eventually.
>
> ================
>
> It was a serious question. He expounds the problem as he sees it so I'm
> asking for a solution

Rubbish!

You may as well ask a lobotomised baboon for a solution, and you know it.

[Pelican]

"Abominable Liar Party" <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote in message

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The cartoonists were murdered by two killers who were Islamic.

[Pelican]

"Crazy Horse" <sof...@aapt.net.au> wrote in message

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Quite uncalled for comparison! Why insult lobotomised baboons?

[dechucka]

"Pelican" <water...@sea.somewhere.org.ir> wrote in message

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Thus they are radical Islam by your def'n

>There is no such thing as a radical Islam. Just as there is no such thing
>as radical Christianity, or radical Jewry.
>
>>> If you ask why some people who are Islamic become violent, that's much
>>> more specific.
>>
>> I'll go with this as well
>
> Then you can compare, for example, Irish groups that engaged in violent
> behaviour, with Islamic groups that engage in violent behaviour. They
> have political objectives. What is becoming very clear is that the world
> is not facing a conflict between Islam and (say) the west. It is a
> standard, common-garden variety of informal warfare with political
> objectives.

Of course that is IMO the problem with religion it can and has been twisted
for political purposes using the radicalised to push the agenda (
unfortunatly these radicalised are the true (( braiinwashed)) believers )

>
> If you want solutions, you might look at ways of resolving the political
> objectives involved, and the interests involved resisting any change. To
> the extent that intervention is involved, an obvious step is that cretins
> like Abbott should stop beating the "terrorist" drum. It's not about
> terrorists or terrorism. It's not about Islam. It's about dealing with
> political conflict in a rational way. When that is not done, and it quite
> obviously isn't being done, those aggrieved pursue irrational ways of
> achieving their objectives. It's been like that for a few 1,000 years.

A nice summary

[dechucka]

"Crazy Horse" <sof...@aapt.net.au> wrote in message

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true but I'm hopefully getting it to see the stupidity of its position. Yes
I'm an optimist

[Abominable Liar Party]

The terrorists attacked the authors of the cartoons and sympathisers,
posting here and on Twitter have said the attack was because of the
cartoons.

Unless you're a total moron, you'd have to conclude that the attack was
because of the cartoons.

Now the cartoonists poked fun at *all* organised religion. They were
attacked by radical Islamists.

Unless you're a total moron, you'd have to conclude that radical
Islamists have a problem with the cartoons.

If you crossed the road you'd probably get run over wondering *why* the
out-of-control driver got pissed.

[dechucka]

"Abominable Liar Party" <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote in message

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and your solution for dealing with the radical Muslims ( of all types ) is
what

>
> If you crossed the road you'd probably get run over wondering *why* the
> out-of-control driver got pissed.

We have a way of dealing with these ( not a highly efficient or effective
system but it is there) people

[Pelican]

"dechucka" <Dech...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:LZOdnXQrDJTgkTLJ...@westnet.com.au...

Where religion is not mentioned...
>

[Pelican]

"Abominable Liar Party" <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote in message

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Wrong again. So far as the Paris incident is concerned, I know that you
don't even understand why it is in the least important to get some idea of
the objectives of the killers. Saying that they are radical Islamists
trivialises what has happened. They become part of a pattern that links,
for example, the Ottawa and Sydney incidents, and serves the interests of
those who want to demonise Islam and all things Islamic. OTOT, trivialising
is all you ever do.

[Abominable Liar Party]

Is that why you responded?

[dechucka]

"Pelican" <water...@sea.somewhere.org.ir> wrote in message

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except " It's not about Islam "

[Abominable Liar Party]

Because of elements of the Islamic philosophy.

Granted that most people exposed to that toxic philosophy do not respond
as killers but at the same time, almost *no-one* responds as killers
when exposed to other religions.

[Pelican]

"dechucka" <Dech...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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Ok. It's not about Islam as in any way important in itself. Happy?
>

[dechucka]

"Abominable Liar Party" <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote in message

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Not true, a list was given including US anti Abortionists, massacres in
Lebanon and India by Christians, the Lords Army, Christian massacres in N
Africa

[dechucka]

"Pelican" <water...@sea.somewhere.org.ir> wrote in message

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now that you've agreed religion was mentioned.

I agree with you

[Pelican]

"Abominable Liar Party" <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote in message

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You really are stupid. There is no "Islamic philosophy". There might be as
many "Islamic philosophies" as you can shave a stick at. It is not a
meaningful description, until it is given content by saying what you are
specifically taking about.

The reality, however, is that you won't be able to do that. You don't have
any idea of the complexity of that point. Much less an idea of the
"elements" of which you so freely speak.

> Granted that most people exposed to that toxic philosophy do not respond
> as killers but at the same time, almost *no-one* responds as killers when
> exposed to other religions.

What is going on in Syria is a violent political contest between different
groups that have different political objectives. It's strikingly similar to
the contest between (say) Catholicism and Protestantism in Europe at another
time. No-one talks about the toxic philosophy of Christianity in describing
that. It is completely meaningless to talk about the toxic philosophy of
Islam. It's not about Islam.

[Abominable Liar Party]

If you are a priest or a counter-terrorism expert, it is fine to spend a
lot of time studying their toxic philosophy in detail but for the rest
of us it is a waste of time. Who gives a fuck whether someone in the 6th
century herded sheep or goats?

The aim of terrorists is to get publicity through violence & engage the
public. By contrast, our aim should be to define the front in terms of
our rules. Thus we should assert freedom of speech by publishing *ten*
*times* the number of cartoons. If they don't like it, then they don't
belong in our society. I really couldn't are less whether women are
allowed to drive in Qatar or that cartoonists are sentenced to death in
Saudi Arabia - that is their affair.

Leftists are considerably to blame for the state of affairs by
tolerating Islamic intolerance. Leftists have to decide what society
they want - more like Saudi Arabia or more like France.

[dechucka]

"Abominable Liar Party" <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote in message

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and the QUESTION you have been asked is what to do about the problem

[Pelican]

"dechucka" <Dech...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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...and Foster doesn't have an answer. It the wrong question.

[dechucka]

"Pelican" <water...@sea.somewhere.org.ir> wrote in message

news:m8n6lj$n5g$1...@dont-email.me...

You ask him the question if you don't like mine. He perceives a problem (
true or not ) but won't come up with a solution

[Abominable Liar Party]

All of them share the same "5 pillars".

For someone who writes "I know that you don't even understand BLAH BLAH
... BLAH BLAH objectives of the killers" and "Saying that they are
radical Islamists trivialises what has happened", shows an incredible
*ignorance* of Islam.

Go look up 'Shahadah', you moron and tell me it is different for the
different sects of Islam. Tell me also why extremists are not isolated
to one or other sect.

>
> The reality, however, is that you won't be able to do that. You don't
> have any idea of the complexity of that point. Much less an idea of the
> "elements" of which you so freely speak.

You're an idiot.

The elements are well known. Shahada, intolerance of other religions,
gender inequality, unwillingness to debate the philosophy, literal &
inflexible interpretation of the Koran, belief that Mohamed is some sort
of demi-god and more, most encapsulated in Shariah law.

If you are not aware of these elements you have probably been living on
Pluto for the last 13 years.

>
>> Granted that most people exposed to that toxic philosophy do not
>> respond as killers but at the same time, almost *no-one* responds as
>> killers when exposed to other religions.
>
> What is going on in Syria is a violent political contest between
> different groups that have different political objectives. It's
> strikingly similar to the contest between (say) Catholicism and
> Protestantism in Europe at another time. No-one talks about the toxic
> philosophy of Christianity in describing that. It is completely
> meaningless to talk about the toxic philosophy of Islam. It's not about
> Islam.

It's about carbon. All that carbon, 380ppm floating about in the
atmosphere. That's the cause.

>
>>>> <rest of the meaningless drivel ignored>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you ask why some people who are Islamic become violent, that's
>>>>>>> much more specific.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll go with this as well
>>>>>
>>>>> Then you can compare, for example, Irish groups that engaged in
>>>>> violent
>>>>> behaviour, with Islamic groups that engage in violent behaviour. They
>>>>> have political objectives. What is becoming very clear is that the
>>>>> world is not facing a conflict between Islam and (say) the west.
>>>>> It is
>>>>> a standard, common-garden variety of informal warfare with political
>>>>> objectives.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you want solutions, you might look at ways of resolving the
>>>>> political
>>>>> objectives involved, and the interests involved resisting any change.
>>>>> To the extent that intervention is involved, an obvious step is that
>>>>> cretins like Abbott should stop beating the "terrorist" drum. It's
>>>>> not
>>>>> about terrorists or terrorism. It's not about Islam. It's about
>>>>> dealing with political conflict in a rational way. When that is not
>>>>> done, and it quite obviously isn't being done, those aggrieved pursue
>>>>> irrational ways of achieving their objectives. It's been like that
>>>>> for
>>>>> a few 1,000 years.
>

[Abominable Liar Party]

On 9/01/2015 11:17 AM, Pelican wrote:
>
>
> "dechucka" <Dech...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> news:pbKdnW-xFqpWhjLJ...@westnet.com.au...
...

>>>
>>> The aim of terrorists is to get publicity through violence & engage
>>> the public. By contrast, our aim should be to define the front in
>>> terms of our rules. Thus we should assert freedom of speech by
>>> publishing *ten* *times* the number of cartoons. If they don't like
>>> it, then they don't belong in our society.

...

>>> Leftists have to decide what society
>>> they want - more like Saudi Arabia or more like France.
>>
>> and the QUESTION you have been asked is what to do about the problem
>
> ...and Foster doesn't have an answer. It the wrong question.

You are illiterate as well as stupid.

[Pelican]

"Abominable Liar Party" <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote in message

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>
>
> I'm an idiot.

That's all you need to say.

[Pelican]

"Abominable Liar Party" <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote in message

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> On 9/01/2015 11:17 AM, Pelican wrote:
>>
>>
>> "dechucka" <Dech...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:pbKdnW-xFqpWhjLJ...@westnet.com.au...
> ...
>>>>
>>>> The aim of terrorists is to get publicity through violence & engage
>>>> the public. By contrast, our aim should be to define the front in
>>>> terms of our rules. Thus we should assert freedom of speech by
>>>> publishing *ten* *times* the number of cartoons. If they don't like
>>>> it, then they don't belong in our society.
> ...
>>>> Leftists have to decide what society
>>>> they want - more like Saudi Arabia or more like France.
>>>
>>> and the QUESTION you have been asked is what to do about the problem
>>
>> ...and Foster doesn't have an answer. It the wrong question.
>

> I am illiterate as well as stupid.

And?

[Abominable Liar Party]

On 9/01/2015 11:46 AM, Pelican wrote:
> That's all you need to say.

Pelican:
[claims] There is no "Islamic philosophy". There might be as many

"Islamic philosophies" as you can shave a stick at. It is not a
meaningful description, until it is given content by saying what you are
specifically taking about.

BJF, responds:
Points out that all sects have common elements, the most important being
Shahada.

Pelican,
responds by snipping the whole conversation

[Petzl]

On Fri, 9 Jan 2015 09:58:00 +1100, "Pelican"
<water...@sea.somewhere.org.ir> wrote:

>>
>> Which is the one that murders cartoonists?
>
>The cartoonists were murdered by two killers who were Islamic.

AND acting in the name of Islam
Facebook shows overwhelmingly that major majority of Moslems are
cheering about another attack from within
Our media is not reporting this
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/50667687/Jihad%20Word%20Bingo.png

--
Petzl
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/50667687/AlahAkba.jpg

[Abominable Liar Party]

On 9/01/2015 11:48 AM, Pelican wrote:
> I am illiterate as well as stupid.
>
> And?

And you have no solution.

[Petzl]

One was hired as a railroad signalman in South Africa.
Deadfuka couldn't do this
http://www.earthfoot.org/lit_zone/signalmn.htm

--
Petzl
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/50667687/lindtcafe.jpg

[Pelican]

"Abominable Liar Party" <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote in message

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> On 9/01/2015 11:46 AM, Pelican wrote:
>> That's all you need to say.
>
> Pelican:
> [claims] There is no "Islamic philosophy". There might be as many "Islamic
> philosophies" as you can shave a stick at. It is not a meaningful
> description, until it is given content by saying what you are specifically
> taking about.
>
> BJF, responds:
> Points out that all sects have common elements, the most important being
> Shahada.
>
> Pelican,
> responds by snipping the whole conversation

That's how the usual Foster evasion is treated. With contempt.

[Pelican]

"Abominable Liar Party" <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote in message

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>
>
> And you have no solution.

In your case, that would be pearls before swine.

[Topaz]

On Thu, 08 Jan 2015 13:00:53 +1100, Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:


>
>Wonder what Australia's exit plan is?
>Our Christian Australian Race has been warning about bringing "the
>religion of peace" to Australia since before "our" government did
>(1975)
>Whats our governments exit strategy to be rid of this curse?
>Christians of Mohammad's day called him and his followers Moslems
>(Aramaic for "Evil and unjust")
>
>"Finally, note the terms by which Christ designates those who are the
>friends of God and those who are His enemies: good and just, evil and
>unjust-the first term relating to character, the second to conduct"


Judeo Christians think it is the "end times" even though it has been
the "end times" for over two thousand years so far. They think the one
and only hope is for Jesus to return and straighten everything out.
And a big part of the plan is the destroy the world. They think wars
and everything being blown up is a great thing because it means Jesus
will return soon.

Marxists were murderous lowlifes but they said religion is the opium
of the masses. There obviously is some truth to that. Enemies often
have some truth in their arguments. On top of the opium there is the
Jewish propaganda started by Scofield.

Christians are great for telling what some of the problems are, such
as homosexual perversion, feminism etc. But to actually solve these
problems one should look elsewhere. Who do Christians hate the most,
first Hitler and then the Muslims. These are the two who actually
solved the problems that Christians are famous for speaking against.
Maybe the Muslims go a little overboard but they are the opposite of
liberalism. There is no way that "Brokeback Mountain" would be shown
in a Muslim ruled country.


http://www.ihr.org http://nationalvanguard.org http://www.bpp.org.uk

http://national-socialist-worldview.blogspot.com

[Abominable Liar Party]

What an admission!

[dechucka]

"Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Obviously as I don't have a trained baboon

[dechucka]

"Abominable Liar Party" <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote in message

news:ch8nue...@mid.individual.net...

> On 9/01/2015 11:46 AM, Pelican wrote:
>> That's all you need to say.
>
> Pelican:
> [claims] There is no "Islamic philosophy". There might be as many "Islamic
> philosophies" as you can shave a stick at. It is not a meaningful
> description, until it is given content by saying what you are specifically
> taking about.
>
> BJF, responds:
> Points out that all sects have common elements, the most important being
> Shahada.

Is that like the Nicene Creed and there are many different versions and
belief with Christianity

[Abominable Liar Party]

You're the one evading and denying, you moron.

[Fuck_Israel]

Topaz wrote:
> On Thu, 08 Jan 2015 13:00:53 +1100, Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>Wonder what Australia's exit plan is?
>>Our Christian Australian Race has been warning about bringing "the
>>religion of peace" to Australia since before "our" government did
>>(1975)
>>Whats our governments exit strategy to be rid of this curse?
>>Christians of Mohammad's day called him and his followers Moslems
>>(Aramaic for "Evil and unjust")
>>
>>"Finally, note the terms by which Christ designates those who are the
>>friends of God and those who are His enemies: good and just, evil and
>>unjust-the first term relating to character, the second to conduct"
>
>
> Judeo Christians think it is the "end times" even though it has been
> the "end times" for over two thousand years so far. They think the one
> and only hope is for Jesus to return and straighten everything out.
> And a big part of the plan is the destroy the world. They think wars
> and everything being blown up is a great thing because it means Jesus
> will return soon.

Unbelieveble in the 21st century, but true.

>
> Marxists were murderous lowlifes

Marx·ism/'märk?siz?m/
noun
1.. the political and economic theories of Karl Marx and Friedrich
Engels, later developed by their followers to form the basis for the theory
and practice of communism.


How can "economic theories of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels" be murdeous
lowlifes?

Do you mean Stalin and his mob who tried to implement "Marxist theories"
into practice but failed?

>but they said religion is the opium
> of the masses. There obviously is some truth to that. Enemies often
> have some truth in their arguments. On top of the opium there is the
> Jewish propaganda started by Scofield.

Jews are no diffent to the other abrahamic religions , why dont you attack
them all equally?

>
> Christians are great for telling what some of the problems are, such
> as homosexual perversion, feminism etc. But to actually solve these
> problems one should look elsewhere. Who do Christians hate the most,
> first Hitler and then the Muslims. These are the two who actually
> solved the problems that Christians are famous for speaking against.

You sound confused , what problems has Hitler and Muslims solved?

> Maybe the Muslims go a little overboard but they are the opposite of
> liberalism. There is no way that "Brokeback Mountain" would be shown
> in a Muslim ruled country.
>

Lebanon was the only Arab country to show the film, and it released a
censored format. The film was also released in Turkey.[50] The film was
officially banned from screenings in the United Arab Emirates; however, the
DVD of the film was permitted to be rented from stores such as Blockbuster
Video.[51][52]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brokeback_Mountain

'Turkey's Liberace': gay icon celebrated at Istanbul show
http://news.yahoo.com/turkeys-liberace-gay-icon-celebrated-istanbul-show-104414440.html

http://www.google.com/images?pws=0&q=Zeki+Muren

[Abominable Liar Party]

On 9/01/2015 3:28 PM, Fuck_Israel wrote:
> Unbelieveble in the 21st century, but true

Oink oink

[HD]

"Abominable Liar Party" <bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote in message

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> On 9/01/2015 9:21 AM, Pelican wrote:
>>
>>
>> "dechucka" <Dech...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:O_mdndWkKOKkZzPJ...@westnet.com.au...
>>>
>>> "Pelican" <water...@sea.somewhere.org.ir> wrote in message
>>> news:m8msn0$e2s$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>>
>>>>

>>>> "dechucka" <Dech...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:XLCdnRlkxp72eDPJ...@westnet.com.au...

>>>>>
>>>>> "Crazy Horse" <sof...@aapt.net.au> wrote in message

>>>>> news:a66036c4-2d5e-4dfb...@googlegroups.com...

>>>>> dechucka wrote:
>>>>>> "Abominable Liar Party" wrote in message
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/64749010/Paris-terror-attack-12-killed-at-satirical-newspaper-Charlie-Hebdo
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > It's starting to look that way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seems a strange one with an ID card left in the getaway card but
>>>>>> they're
>>>>>> probably not very smart.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So what is the solution to radical Islam?
>>>>>
>>>>> Stop brown-nosing, I'm sure he'll let you out of the sin bin
>>>>> eventually.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ================
>>>>>
>>>>> It was a serious question. He expounds the problem as he sees it so
>>>>> I'm asking for a solution
>>>>

>>>> That's like asking for the solution to radical Christianity, or
>>>> radical Jewry. It's a meaningless question.
>>>
>>> Not sure it is. If it is felt that this is a learnt behaviour then
>>> surely intervention is possible
>>
>> There are multiple versions of Islam, some of which may be radical in
>> different ways. There is no such thing as a radical Islam. Just as
>> there is no such thing as radical Christianity, or radical Jewry.
>

> Which is the one that murders cartoonists?

Not so long ago those cartonists would have been burned at the stakes.

[Topaz]

On Fri, 9 Jan 2015 15:28:15 +1100, "Fuck_Israel"
<Vox...@spammail.com> wrote:


>Unbelieveble in the 21st century, but true.
>

>Marx·ism/'märk?siz?m/
> noun
> 1.. the political and economic theories of Karl Marx and Friedrich
>Engels, later developed by their followers to form the basis for the theory
>and practice of communism.
>
>
>How can "economic theories of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels" be murdeous
>lowlifes?

The Communists killed millions of people. And they were dangerous
murderers in general.

>
>Do you mean Stalin and his mob who tried to implement "Marxist theories"
>into practice but failed?

That was a big part of it.

>Jews are no diffent to the other abrahamic religions , why dont you attack
>them all equally?

'Judaism is not a religion at all. It's a license to lie, cheat,
steal, rob, exploit, prostitute, enslave, destroy, torture, murder. as
long as the victim is not Jewish. It's a mental disease somewhere in
between bipolar disorder and psychopathy. It's the membership in a
terrorist, satanic cult.'

-Andrew Winkler, Editor/Publisher, ZioPedia -

>You sound confused , what problems has Hitler and Muslims solved?

All of them.

Here is part of a speech by Dr. Joseph Goebbels, delivered in
Nuernberg on September 13th, 1935 at the Seventh National-Socialist
Party Congress:

"Almost without exception, the intellectual leaders of Marxist atheism
in Germany were Jews, among them being Erich Weinert, Felix Abraham,
Dr. Levy-Lenz and others. At regular meetings, held in the presence of
a notary public, members were requested to register their declaration
of withdrawal from their church for a fee of 2 Marks. And this the
fight for atheism was carried on. Between 1918 and 1933 the
withdrawals from the German Evangelical Churches alone amounted to
two-and-a-half million persons in Germany. The programme which these
atheistic societies laid down in regard to sexual matters is amply
charcterized in the following demands publicly expressed at meetings
and distributed in leaflet form:

1) The complete abrogation of the paragraphs of the law dealing with
the crime of abortion, and the right to have abortion procured free of
charge in State Hospitals.

2) Non-interference with prostitution.

3) The abrogation of all bourgeois-capitalistic regulations in regard
to marriage and divorce.

4) Official registration to be optional and the children to be
educated by the community.

5) Abrogation of all penalties for sexual perversities and amnesty to
be granted to all persons condemned as 'sexual criminals'.

"Truly a case of methodical insanity, which has for its aim the
wilful destruction of the nations and their civilization and the
substitute of barbarism as a fundamental principle of public life.

"Where are the men behind the scenes of this virulent world
movement? Who are the inventors of all this madness? Who transplanted
this ensemble into Russia and is today making the attempt to have it
prevail in other countries? The answer to these question discloses the
actual secret of our anti-Jewish policy and our uncomromising fight
against Jewry; for the Bolshevic International is in reality nothing
less than a Jewish International."

> Lebanon was the only Arab country to show the film, and it released a
>censored format. The film was also released in Turkey.[50] The film was
>officially banned from screenings in the United Arab Emirates; however, the
>DVD of the film was permitted to be rented from stores such as Blockbuster
>Video.[51][52]
>

[dechucka]

you're a total wacko. Not a smart one because you don't even understand your
holocaust denial arguments, Get the mob at Sunnyvale to explain it

[Abominable Liar Party]

On 10/01/2015 11:07 AM, Topaz wrote:
> It's a mental disease somewhere in
> between bipolar disorder and psychopathy. It's the membership in a
> terrorist, satanic cult.'

You don't have to put this stuff in a public forum.

Keep it between you & your analyst.

[Fuck_Israel]

Topaz wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Jan 2015 15:28:15 +1100, "Fuck_Israel"
> <Vox...@spammail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Unbelieveble in the 21st century, but true.
>>
>
>>Marx·ism/'märk?siz?m/
>> noun
>> 1.. the political and economic theories of Karl Marx and
>>Friedrich Engels, later developed by their followers to form the
>>basis for the theory and practice of communism.
>>
>>
>>How can "economic theories of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels" be
>>murdeous lowlifes?
>
> The Communists killed millions of people. And they were dangerous
> murderers in general.
>

It wasn't the "economic theories of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels" that
killed people.

>>
>>Do you mean Stalin and his mob who tried to implement "Marxist
>>theories" into practice but failed?
>
> That was a big part of it.

That's what happens when revolution is hijacked by criminal class for self
interest greed and power.

>
>>Jews are no diffent to the other abrahamic religions , why dont you
>>attack them all equally?
>
> 'Judaism is not a religion at all. It's a license to lie, cheat,
> steal, rob, exploit, prostitute, enslave, destroy, torture, murder. as
> long as the victim is not Jewish. It's a mental disease somewhere in
> between bipolar disorder and psychopathy. It's the membership in a
> terrorist, satanic cult.'
>
> -Andrew Winkler, Editor/Publisher, ZioPedia -

Andrew Winkler & you are confusing Judaism with cult of Zionism.
http://www.google.com/images?q=jews+against+zionism

>
>>You sound confused , what problems has Hitler and Muslims solved?
>
> All of them.
>
> Here is part of a speech by Dr. Joseph Goebbels, delivered in
> Nuernberg on September 13th, 1935 at the Seventh National-Socialist
> Party Congress:

1935? Don't you think the world has moved on since pre-WWII over 80 years
ago?

>
> "Almost without exception, the intellectual leaders of Marxist atheism
> in Germany were Jews, among them being Erich Weinert, Felix Abraham,
> Dr. Levy-Lenz and others.

Of course Hitler would want to target any (ALL) competing ideology
that threatened the Nazis Rise to power.

No surprise in Nazis using any underhanded propaganda possible including
smearing Jews as working against German interest, ie traitors.

> At regular meetings, held in the presence of
> a notary public, members were requested to register their declaration
> of withdrawal from their church for a fee of 2 Marks. And this the
> fight for atheism was carried on. Between 1918 and 1933 the
> withdrawals from the German Evangelical Churches alone amounted to
> two-and-a-half million persons in Germany. The programme which these
> atheistic societies laid down in regard to sexual matters is amply
> charcterized in the following demands publicly expressed at meetings
> and distributed in leaflet form:

I thought you agreed with their atheism?

"said religion is the opium of the masses. There obviously is some truth to
that"

>

> 1) The complete abrogation of the paragraphs of the law dealing with
> the crime of abortion, and the right to have abortion procured free of
> charge in State Hospitals.
>

The only people obsessed by abortion these days are rich white prevailed men
who want to tell women how to live their lives.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2015/01/07/3608821/congress-20-week-abortion/


> 2) Non-interference with prostitution.

The only people obsessed by sex workers these days are rich white prevailed
men who want to tell women how to live their lives.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/liberal-brothel-police-to-take-sleaze-out-of-sex/story-e6freuzi-1225974699885?nk=7ed3360c82398838b94cc8f9c8e06f32

>
> 3) The abrogation of all bourgeois-capitalistic regulations in regard
> to marriage and divorce.
>

They had the right idea , we didn't get "no fault divorce" till 1975

"The original 1975 Act revolutionised the divorce law of Australia"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Law_Act_1975#Divorce

> 4) Official registration to be optional and the children to be
> educated by the community.

Is that like a public school system/ free education ?

>
> 5) Abrogation of all penalties for sexual perversities and amnesty to
> be granted to all persons condemned as 'sexual criminals'.
>

It had to happen one day
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_liberation

> "Truly a case of methodical insanity, which has for its aim the
> wilful destruction of the nations and their civilization and the
> substitute of barbarism as a fundamental principle of public life.

Australia hasn't been destroyed and turned to barbarism by any of these
initiatives in place now.

>
> "Where are the men behind the scenes of this virulent world
> movement? Who are the inventors of all this madness? Who transplanted
> this ensemble into Russia and is today making the attempt to have it
> prevail in other countries? The answer to these question discloses the
> actual secret of our anti-Jewish policy and our uncomromising fight
> against Jewry; for the Bolshevic International is in reality nothing
> less than a Jewish International."
>

But the real problem in the world isn't socialism, as that hasn't been
Implemented the actual system in place is Capitalism.

https://twitter.com/RafaelStepanian/status/553736929108566016/photo/1
https://twitter.com/RafaelStepanian/status/553665681158582272/photo/1

>
>> Lebanon was the only Arab country to show the film, and it released a
>>censored format. The film was also released in Turkey.[50] The film
>>was officially banned from screenings in the United Arab Emirates;
>>however, the DVD of the film was permitted to be rented from stores
>>such as Blockbuster Video.[51][52]
>>
>

"There is no way that "Brokeback Mountain" would be shown
in a Muslim ruled country."

You're WRONG about "Brokeback Mountain" too,
as it HAS been shown in Muslim countries!

[Crazy Horse]

Topaz wrote:
>
> The Communists killed millions of people. And they were dangerous
> murderers in general.

Well if you're going to get killed, it might as well be by a dangerous murderer, I don't trust those murderers who aren't dangerous.

moron!

[Abominable Liar Party]

On 10/01/2015 7:37 PM, Fuck_Israel wrote:
> Topaz wrote:
>> On Fri, 9 Jan 2015 15:28:15 +1100, "Fuck_Israel"
>> <Vox...@spammail.com> wrote:

...

If anyone though that there wasn't much difference between Nazis and
Islamists, lissen up!

>>
The Nazi:

>> 'Judaism is not a religion at all. It's a license to lie, cheat,
>> steal, rob, exploit, prostitute, enslave, destroy, torture, murder. as
>> long as the victim is not Jewish. It's a mental disease somewhere in
>> between bipolar disorder and psychopathy. It's the membership in a
>> terrorist, satanic cult.'
>>
>> -Andrew Winkler, Editor/Publisher, ZioPedia -
>

The Islamist:

> Andrew Winkler & you are confusing Judaism with cult of Zionism.
> http://www.google.com/images?q=jews+against+zionism
>
>>
>>> You sound confused , what problems has Hitler and Muslims solved?
>>
>> All of them.
>>
>> Here is part of a speech by Dr. Joseph Goebbels, delivered in
>> Nuernberg on September 13th, 1935 at the Seventh National-Socialist
>> Party Congress:
>
> 1935? Don't you think the world has moved on since pre-WWII over 80 years
> ago?

Yes, the Jews got smarter & their enemies got dumber.

>

Listening to these two is like reading the Koran or Mein Kampf. I'd
rather watch flies mate!

[Abominable Liar Party]

Another term of Labor, and we might have all been killed by ineptitude.

If they'd carried on building the NBN, for example, sooner or later they
would have wired it to the grid.

[Topaz]

by Theodore J. O'Keefe

Nothing has been more effective in establishing the authenticity of
the Holocaust story in the minds of Americans than the terrible scenes
US troops discovered when they entered German concentration camps at
the close of World War II.

At Dachau, Buchenwald, Dora, Mauthausen, and other work and detention
camps, horrified US infantrymen encountered heaps of dead and dying
inmates, emaciated and diseased. Survivors told them hair-raising
stories of torture and slaughter, and backed up their claims by
showing the GIs crematory ovens, alleged execution gas chambers,
supposed implements of torture, and even shrunken heads and
lampshades, gloves, and handbags purportedly made from skin flayed
from dead inmates.

US government authorities, mindful that many Americans who remembered
the atrocity stories fed them during World War I still doubted the
Allied propaganda directed against the Hitler regime, resolved to
"document" what the GIs had found in the camps. Prominent newsmen
and politicians were flown in to see the harrowing evidence, while
the US Army Signal Corps filmed and photographed the scenes for
posterity. Famous journalist Edward R. Murrow reported, in tones of
horror, but no longer of disbelief, what he had been told and shown,
and Dachau and
Buchenwald were branded on the hearts and minds of the American
populace as names of infamy unmatched in the sad and bloody history
of this planet.

For Americans, what was "discovered" at the camps -- the dead and the
diseased, the terrible stories of the inmates, all the props of
torture and terror -- became the basis not simply of a transitory
propaganda campaign but of the conviction that, yes, it was true: the
Germans did exterminate six million Jews, most of them in lethal gas
chambers.

What the GIs found was used, by way of films that were mandatory
viewing for the vanquished populace of Germany, to "re-educate" the
German people by destroying their national pride and their will to a
united, independent national state, imposing in their place
overwhelming feelings of collective guilt and political impotence.
And when the testimony, and the verdict, of the Nuremberg Tribunal
incorporated most, if not all, of the horror stories Americans were
told about
Dachau, Buchenwald, and other places captured by the US Army, the
Holocaust could pass for one of the most documented, one of the most
authenticated, one of the most proven historical episodes in the
human record.

A Different Reality

But it is known today that, very soon after the liberation of the
camps, American authorities were aware that the real story of the
camps was quite different from the one in which they were coaching
military public information officers, government spokesmen,
politicians, journalists, and other mouthpieces.

When American and British forces overran western and central Germany
in the spring of 1945, they were followed by troops charged with
discovering and securing any evidence of German war crimes.

Among them was Dr. Charles Larson, one of America's leading forensic
pathologists, who was assigned to the US Army's Judge Advocate
General's Department. As part of a US War Crimes Investigation Team,
Dr. Larson performed autopsies at Dachau and some twenty other German
camps, examining on some days more than 100 corpses. After his grim
work at Dachau, he was
questioned for three days by US Army prosecutors.

Dr. Larson's findings? In an 1980 newspaper interview he said: "What
we've heard is that six million Jews were exterminated. Part of that
is a hoax." And what part was the hoax? Dr. Larson, who told his
biographer that to his knowledge he "was the only forensic pathologist
on duty in the entire European Theater" of Allied military operations,
confirmed that "never was a case of poison gas uncovered."

Typhus, Not Poison Gas

If not by gassing, how did the unfortunate victims at Dachau,
Buchenwald and Bergen-Belsen perish? Were they tortured to death or
deliberately starved? The answers to these questions are known as
well.

As Dr. Larson and other Allied medical men discovered, the chief
cause of death at Dachau, Belsen and the other camps was disease,
above all typhus, an old and terrible scourge of mankind that until
recently flourished in places where populations were crowded together
in circumstances where public health measures were unknown or had
broken down. Such was the case in the overcrowded internment camps in
Germany at war's end, where, despite such measures as systematic
delousing, quarantine of the sick and cremation of the dead, the
virtual
collapse of Germany's food, transport, and public health systems led
to catastrophe.

Perhaps the most authoritative statement of the facts as to typhus and
mortality in the camps has been made by Dr. John E. Gordon, M.D.,
Ph.D., a professor of preventive medicine and epidemiology at the
Harvard University School of Public Health, who was with US forces in
Germany in 1945. Dr. Gordon reported in 1948 that "The outbreaks in
concentration camps and prisons made up the great bulk of typhus
infection encountered in Germany." Dr. Gordon summarized the causes
for the outbreaks as follows:

Germany in the spring months of April and May [1945] was an
astounding sight, a mixture of humanity travelling this way and that,
homeless, often hungry and carrying typhus with them ...Germany was in
chaos. The destruction of whole cities and the path left by advancing
armies produced a disruption of living conditions contributing to the
spread of the disease. Sanitation was low grade, public utilities were
seriously disrupted, food supply and food distribution was poor,
housing was inadequate and order and discipline were everywhere
lacking. Still more important, a shifting of populations was occurring
such as few countries and few times have experienced.

Dr. Gordon's findings are corroborated by Dr. Russell Barton, today a
psychiatrist of international repute, who entered Bergen-Belsen with
British forces as a young medical student in 1945. Barton, who
volunteered to care for the diseased survivors, testified under sworn
oath in a Toronto courtroom in 1985 that "Thousands of prisoners who
died at the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp during World War II
weren't deliberately starved to death but died from a rash of
diseases."

Dr. Barton further testified that on entering the camp he had credited
stories of deliberate starvation but decided such stories were untrue
after inspecting the well equipped kitchens and the meticulously
maintained ledgers, dating back to 1942, of food cooked and dispensed
each day.

Despite noisily publicized claims and widespread popular notions to
the contrary, no researcher has been able to document a German policy
of extermination through starvation in the German camps.

No 'Human Skin' Lampshades

What of the ghoulish stories of concentration camp inmates skinned for
their tattoos, flayed to make lampshades and handbags, or other
artifacts? What of the innumerable "torture racks," "meathooks,"
whipping posts, gallows, and other tools of torment and death that are
reported to have abounded at every German camp? These allegations, and
even more grotesque ones proffered by Soviet prosecutors, found their
way into the record at Nuremberg.

The lampshade and tattooed-skin charges were made against Ilse Koch,
dubbed by journalists the "Bitch of Buchenwald," who was reported to
have furnished her house with objects manufactured from the tanned
hides of luckless inmates.

But General Lucius Clay, military governor of the US zone of occupied
Germany, who reviewed her case in 1948, told his superiors in
Washington: "There is no convincing evidence that she [Ilse Koch]
selected inmates for extermination in order to secure tattooed skins
or that she possessed any articles made of human skin." In an
interview General Clay gave years later, he stated about the material
for the infamous lampshades: "Well, it turned out actually that it was
goat flesh. But
at the trial it was still human flesh. It was almost impossible for
her to have gotten a fair trial." Ilse Koch hanged herself in a German
jail in 1967.

It would be tedious to itemize and refute the thousands of bizarre
claims as to Nazi atrocities. That there were instances of German
cruelty, however, is clear from the testimony of Dr. Konrad Morgen, a
legal investigator attached to the Reich Criminal Police, whose
statements on the witness stand at Nuremberg have never been
challenged by proponents of the Jewish Holocaust story. Dr. Morgen
informed the court that he had been given full authority by Heinrich
Himmler,
commander of Hitler's SS and the dread Gestapo, to enter any German
concentration camp and investigate instances of cruelty and corruption
on the part of camp personnel. As he explained in sworn testimony at
Nuremberg, Dr. Morgen investigated 800 such cases, resulting in more
than 200 convictions. Punishments included the death penalty for the
worst offenders, including Hermann Florstedt, commandant of Lublin
(Majdanek), and Karl Koch (Ilse's husband), commandant of Buchenwald.

While German camp commandants in certain cases did inflict physical
punishment, such acts had to be approved by authorities in Berlin, and
it was required that a camp physician first certify the good health of
the prisoner to be disciplined, and then be on hand at the actual
beating. After all, throughout most of the war the camps were
important centers of industrial activity. The good health and morale
of the prisoners was critical to the German war effort, as is
evidenced in a January 1943 order issued by SS General Richard Glücks,
chief of the office that supervised the
concentration camps. It held the camp commanders "personally
responsible for exhausting every possibility to preserve the physical
strength of the detainees." Camp Survivors: Merely Victims?
US Army investigators, working at Buchenwald and other camps, quickly
ascertained what was common knowledge among veteran inmates: that the
worst offenders, the cruelest denizens of the camps, were not the
guards but the prisoners themselves. Common criminals of the same
stripe as those who populate US prisons today committed many
villainies, particularly when they held positions of authority, and
fanatical Communists, highly organized to combat their many
political enemies among the inmates, eliminated their foes with
Stalinist ruthlessness. Two US Army investigators at Buchenwald, Egon
W. Fleck and Edward A. Tenenbaum, carefully investigated circumstances
in the camp before its liberation. In a detailed report submitted to
their superiors, they revealed, in the words of Alfred Toombs, their
commander, who wrote a preface to the report, "how the prisoners
themselves organized a deadly terror within the Nazi terror."

Fleck and Tenenbaum described the power exercised by criminals and
Communists as follows:

The trusties, who in time became almost exclusively Communist
Germans, had the power of life and death over all other inmates. They
could sentence a man or a group to almost certain death ... The
Communist trusties were directly responsible for a large part of the
brutalities at Buchenwald.

Colonel Donald B. Robinson, chief historian of the American military
government in Germany, summarized the Fleck-Tenenbaum report in an
article published in an American magazine shortly after the war.
Colonel Robinson wrote succinctly of the American investigators'
findings: "It appeared that the prisoners who agreed with the
Communists ate; those who didn't starved to death."

Additional corroboration of inmate brutality has been provided by
Ellis E. Spackman, who, as Chief of Counter-Intelligence Arrests and
Detentions for the US Seventh Army, was involved in the liberation of
Dachau. Spackman, later a professor of history at San Bernardino
Valley College in California, wrote in 1966 that at Dachau "the
prisoners were the actual instruments that inflicted the barbarities
on their fellow prisoners."

'Gas Chambers'

In December 1944 US Army officers Colonel Paul Kirk and Lt. Colonel
Edward J. Gully inspected the German concentration camp at
Struthof-Natzweiler in Alsace. They submitted their findings to their
superiors at the headquarters of the US 6th Army Group, which
subsequently forwarded their report to the US War Crimes Division.
While, significantly, the full text of their report has never been
published, it has been revealed, by a historian supportive of
Holocaust claims, that the two investigators were careful to
characterize equipment exhibited to them by French informants as a
"so-called lethal gas chamber," and to claim it was "allegedly used as
a lethal gas chamber." (Emphasis added)

Both the careful phraseology of the Natzweiler report, and its
effective suppression, stand in stark contrast to the credulity, the
confusion, and the blaring publicity that accompanied official reports
of alleged gas chambers at Dachau. At first, a US Army photo depicting
a GI gazing at a steel door marked with a skull and crossbones and the
German words for: "Caution! Gas! Mortal danger! Don't open!," was
identified as showing the murder weapon.

Later, however, it was evidently decided that the apparatus in
question was merely a standard delousing chamber for clothing, and
another alleged gas chamber, this one cunningly disguised as a shower
room, was exhibited to American congressmen and journalists as the
site where thousands breathed their last. While there exist numerous
reports in the press as to the operation of this second "gas chamber,"
no official report by trained Army investigators has yet surfaced to
reconcile such problems as the function of the shower heads: Were they
"dummies," or did lethal cyanide gas stream through them? (Each theory
has appreciable support in journalistic and
historiographical literature.)

As with Dachau, so with Buchenwald, Bergen-Belsen, and the other camps
liberated by the Allies in western Germany. There was no end of
propaganda about "gas chambers," "gas ovens," and the like, but so far
not a single detailed description of the murder weapon and its
function, not a single report of the kind that is mandatory for the
successful prosecution of any assault or murder case in America at
that time and today, has come to light.

Furthermore, a number of Holocaust authorities have now publicly
decreed that there were no gassings, no extermination camps in Germany
after all. (We are now told that "gassing" and "extermination" camps
were located exclusively in what is now Poland, in areas captured by
the Soviet Red Army and made off-limits to western investigators.)

Dr. Martin Broszat of the Munich-based Institute for Contemporary
History, which is funded by the German government, stated
categorically in a 1960 letter to the German weekly Die Zeit: "Neither
in Dachau nor in Bergen-Belsen nor in Buchenwald were Jews or other
prisoners gassed." Professional "Nazi hunter" Simon Wiesenthal stated
in 1975 and again in 1993 that "there were no
extermination camps on German soil."

Dachau "gas chamber" No. 2, which was once presented to a stunned and
grieving world as a weapon that claimed hundreds of thousands of
lives, is now described in the brochure issued to tourists at the
modern Dachau "memorial site" in these words: "This gas chamber,
camouflaged as a shower room, was not used."

The Propaganda Intensifies

More than 50 years after American troops entered Dachau, Buchenwald
and other German camps, and trained American investigators established
the facts as to what had gone on in them, the government in
Washington, the entertainment media in Hollywood, and the print media
in New York continue to churn out millions of words and images
annually on the horrors of the camps and the infamy of the Holocaust.
Despite the fact that, with the exception of the defeated Confederacy,
no enemy of America has ever so suffered so complete and devastating
defeat as did Germany in 1945, the mass media and the politicians and
bureaucrats behave as if Hitler, his troops, and his concentration
camps continue to exist in an eternal present, and our opinion makers
continue to distort, through ignorance or malice, the facts about the
camps.

Time for the Truth

It is time that the government and the professional historians reveal
the facts about Dachau, Buchenwald and the other camps. It is time
they let the American public know how the inmates died, and how they
didn't die. It is time that the claims of mass murder by gassing are
clarified and investigated in the same manner as any other claims of
murder. It is time that the free ride certain groups have enjoyed as
the result of unchallenged Holocaust claims be terminated, just as it
is time to end the scapegoating of other groups, including Germans,
eastern Europeans, the
Roman Catholic hierarchy, and the wartime leadership of America and
Britain, either for their alleged role in the Holocaust or their
supposed failure to stop it.

Above all, it is time that the citizens of this great Republic have
the facts about the camps, facts they have a right to know, a right
that is fundamental to the exercise of their authority and their will
in the governance of their country. As citizens and as taxpayers,
Americans of all ethnic backgrounds, of all faiths, have a basic right
and an overriding interest in determining the facts of incidents that
are deemed by those in positions of power to be significant in
determining America's foreign and educational policy, as well as its
selection of past events to be memorialized in our
civic life.

Today the alleged facts of the Holocaust are at issue all over the
civilized world. The truth will be decided only by recourse to the
facts, in the public forum: not by concealing the facts, denying the
truth, stonewalling reality. The truth will out, and it is time the
government of this country, and governments and international bodies
throughout the world, make public the evidence of what actually
transpired in the German concentration camps in the years 1933-1945,
so that we may put paid to the lies, without fear or favor, and carry
out the work of reconciliation and renewal that is and must be the
granite foundation of mutual tolerance between peoples and of a peace
based on justice.

Summary
The conclusions of the early US Army investigations as to the truth
about the wartime German concentration camps have since been
corroborated by all subsequent investigators and can be summarized:

1.The harrowing scenes of dead and dying inmates were not the result
of a German policy of "extermination," but rather the result of
epidemics of typhus and other disease brought about largely by the
effects of Allied aerial attacks.
2.Stories of Nazi supercriminals and sadists who turned Jews and
others into handbags and lampshades for their private profit or
amusement were sick lies or diseased fantasies; indeed, the German
authorities punished corruption and cruelty on the part of camp
commanders and guards.
3.On the other hand, portrayals of the newly liberated inmates as
saints and martyrs of Hitlerism were quite often very far from the
truth; indeed, most of the brutalities inflicted on camp detainees
were the work of their fellow prisoners, in contravention of German
policy and German orders.
4.The alleged homicidal showers and gas chambers were used either for
bathing camp inmates or delousing their clothes; the claim that they
were used to murder Jews or other human beings is a contemptible
fabrication. Orthodox historians and professional "Nazi-hunters" have
quietly dropped claims that inmates were gassed at Dachau, Buchenwald
and other camps in Germany. They continue, however, to keep silent
regarding the lies about Dachau and Buchenwald, as well as to evade an
open discussion of the evidence for homicidal gassing at Auschwitz and
the
other camps captured by the Soviets.


Institute For Historical Review
Post Office Box 2739
Newport Beach, California 92659

[Topaz]

Salute To Our Muslim Martyrs
Musil Shehadeh

As a Christian Palestinian, I cannot but bow my head in full reverence
and admiration to our Muslim brothers who are teaching the Israelis
and the world the real meaning of self-sacrifice in the face of cruel
occupation. You can call them what you want but you cannot deny them
the pinnacle of courage when they offer their own lives at the altar
of freedom, not only for their own religious order but also for all of
us. No power, be it the Israeli rocket, its F-16s, its tanks, or its
nuclear weapons, can stand as a deterrent against such culmination of
human sacrifice.

Such martyrdom has created a new chapter in the history of human
resistance against occupation that has never been emulated in the
history of humanity except for the Japanese kamikaze in the Second
World War. Instead of having the world study the psychological motives
behind such courageous acts, they are dismissed naively by Israel and
its U.S. protege as simple acts of "terrorism"! Really! Those who
sacrifice their lives for freedom are "terrorists," while those who
massacre people to keep them under the chains of bondage are engaged
in philanthropic acts? Using such bizarre criterion, it would place
George Washington, and Martin Luther King as "terrorists" while
Genghis Khan, Attilla the Hun and Sharon as the heads of charitable
organizations. Even those who criticize such heroic acts cannot deny
that those young men and women, who strap themselves with explosives
and sacrifice their lives, fully realize that there are other options
for the future. They could have chosen to get married and to have
children, or to seek profitable employment and to enjoy the many
pleasures of life. They could have followed their instincts to
continue living without bringing grief and misery to their loved ones.
Yet when they kill themselves and deny themselves the pleasure of
living, then there has to exist a very good cause that prompts them to
commit such acts of self-destruction. As one of the bereaved mothers
explained: life without freedom had no value in the eyes of her
beloved martyr-son.

They have chosen to die so that they would fight a cruel occupier to
liberate their lands, to reject life without dignity, while creating
life with freedom for others. Western teaching institutions would rush
into explaining how frustration in life could drive people into acting
violently, yet they tend to swallow with great relish the Zionist
versions when explaining the violent nature of these acts. American
history can easily recall how many Americans died along the road of
freedom, in their War of Liberation against the British. Yet the
American administration would not hesitate to espouse Sharon's view
that his massacre of Palestinian women and children was a war against
"terror." The U.S. apathy and flagrant ignorance with the tragic
plight of the Palestinians is deepened further when President Bush
calls Sharon a man of "peace," a title that Mr. Sharon's Likud
constituents even deny! For those of us who are still advocating "give
peace a chance," we should not forget that Mr. Sharon's war is not
against "terrorism," as he would like us to believe, but rather an
aggressive war to occupy our homes and land turning us into slaves in
our own homes. His enemies are not those who carry the gun, but anyone
who would stand in his way to expropriate more lands from the
Palestinians. How else can one explain his closure of the Palestinian
profile office in Jerusalem headed by Dr. Sari Nuseibeh? A super
moderate Palestinian whose call for the existence of the two States,
meeting all of Israeli demands for peace and security along the 1967
borders, could not be matched. Yet he was not spared the wrath of
Sharon because he dared to demand the right of Palestinians for their
own mini-State? It should be obvious to all of us that Sharon cannot
understand any language except the language of force, as no moderate
or peace-loving advocate can survive the war imposed upon us by those
who are working hard to deny us our rights. It should behoove all of
us to support our martyrs and their families, as these are the real
heroes of our dignified and legitimate struggle for freedom in our
homeland.

[Topaz]

On Sat, 10 Jan 2015 19:37:30 +1100, "Fuck_Israel"
<Vox...@spammail.com> wrote:


>It wasn't the "economic theories of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels" that
>killed people.

Agreed. But if one of the theories is that people don't have to work
unless they feel like it, and they all own everything and can just
take any car they want, that is complete nonsense.

>That's what happens when revolution is hijacked by criminal class for self
>interest greed and power.

It wasn't hijacked but a fraud from the beginning. Here is a
quote from Mein Kampf:

"the Jew seized upon the manifold possibilities which the
situation offered him for the future. While on the one hand he
organized capitalistic methods of exploitation to their ultimate
degree of efficiency, he curried favour with the victims of his policy
and his power and in a short while became the leader of their struggle
against himself. 'Against himself' is here only a figurative way of
speaking; for this 'Great Master of Lies' knows how to appear in the
guise of the innocent and throw the guilt on others. Since he had the
impudence to take a personal lead among the masses, they never for a
moment suspected that they were falling prey to one of the most
infamous deceits ever practiced. And yet that is what it actually
was."

>Andrew Winkler & you are confusing Judaism with cult of Zionism.

They think they are God's chosen people and deserve lots of perks in
this world.

>1935? Don't you think the world has moved on since pre-WWII over 80 years
>ago?

Things went sour in 45 and went downhill thereafter.

>Of course Hitler would want to target any (ALL) competing ideology
>that threatened the Nazis Rise to power.

All competing ideology is horribly wrong.

>
>No surprise in Nazis using any underhanded propaganda possible including
>smearing Jews as working against German interest, ie traitors.

Jews only care about Jew interests. They are mortal enemies of
Germans and all White people.

>I thought you agreed with their atheism?

Whether there is a God or something with godlike qualities is hard
to prove or disprove. But I'm against the sodomites and the feminists
and therefore side with Islam.

>"said religion is the opium of the masses. There obviously is some truth to
>that"

Believing that God is going to solve your problems tends to make
people too inactive.

>The only people obsessed by abortion these days are rich white prevailed men
>who want to tell women how to live their lives.

All those who love White children should be concerned. But you can't
outlaw abortion without some kind of socialism to make sure the
children will be fine.

>The only people obsessed by sex workers these days are rich white prevailed
>men who want to tell women how to live their lives.

By Clare Chapman
(Filed: 30/01/2005)

A 25-year-old waitress who turned down a job providing "sexual
services'' at a brothel in Berlin faces possible cuts to her
unemployment benefit under laws introduced this year.

Prostitution was legalized in Germany just over two years ago and
brothel owners - who must pay tax and employee health insurance - were
granted access to official databases of job seekers.

The waitress, an unemployed information technology professional, had
said that she was willing to work in a bar at night and had worked in
a cafe.

She received a letter from the job centre telling her that an employer
was interested in her "profile'' and that she should ring them. Only
on doing so did the woman, who has not been identified for legal
reasons, realize that she was calling a brothel.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/01/30/wgerm30.xml

>They had the right idea , we didn't get "no fault divorce" till 1975

Marriage in Jewish controlled countries is a legal contract that no
man in his right mind would sign. The divorce courts are filled with
feminists and their whooped stooges.

>Is that like a public school system/ free education ?

That would be good if the right people ran the system. But as it is,
they are enemy brainwashing centers.

>It had to happen one day
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_liberation

Real men don't do such.

>Australia hasn't been destroyed and turned to barbarism by any of these
>initiatives in place now.

Australia and other Jewish controlled countries are wrong from the
word go and headed for third world degradation.

>But the real problem in the world isn't socialism, as that hasn't been
>Implemented the actual system in place is Capitalism.

True, but some people have the wrong kind of socialism.

>"There is no way that "Brokeback Mountain" would be shown
>in a Muslim ruled country."
>
>You're WRONG about "Brokeback Mountain" too,
>as it HAS been shown in Muslim countries!

You claimed it was in Turkey.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/muslims/portraits/turkey.html

Under Ataturk, Friday ceased to be a public holiday, and mosques
emptied. Sharia law was replaced by Western legal codes. Islamic
scholars were forced under state control. Arabic script was replaced
by the Latin alphabet. European dress was required for both men and
women.

By the 1970s, Turkey had become the most Westernized of Muslim
countries and an active member of NATO. But at the same time, rapid
urbanization was changing Turkey's cities, and a free market economy
had increased inequality. Voters were frustrated at what they saw as
corruption within the political system. Many Muslims began to question
Ataturk's belief that Islam should be removed from politics.
Pro-Islamic politicians promised to rectify a split that they saw as
artificial.

By 1996, a Turkish Islamic party had gained enough popularity to win
over 20 percent of the national vote and came to power in a coalition
government. In response, secular officials clamped down on Islam's
most visible symbols, among them the head scarf.

[Topaz]

Here is a quote from "The Battle for Berlin" by Joseph Goebbels:

We had no idea of the danger that threatened us then. I myself did not
yet know Marxism well enough to foresee the possible consequences. I
shrugged my shoulders as I read the dark prose of the red press and
awaited expectantly the decisive evening.
Around 8 p.m. we drove in an old rusty car from the city center to
Wedding. A cold gray mist hung under a starless sky. Our hearts were
bursting with impatience and expectation.
As we drove down Müllerstraße it was already clear that the evening
did not bode well. Groups of dark figures stood on every street
corner. They apparently planned to teach our party members a bloody
lesson before they even got to the meeting.

Dark masses of people stood outside the Pharus Hall, expressing their
rage and hate with loud and impudent threats.

The leader of the protective forces cleared a way for us and reported
briefly that the hall had been packed since 7:15 p.m. and had been
closed by police. About two-thirds of the audience were Red Front
Fighters. That was what we wanted. There would be a decision. We were
ready to give it all we had.

Entering the hall, we encountered a warm, stiffling aroma of beer and
tobacco. The hall was hot. A lively roar of voices filled the hall.
People were packed in tightly. We reached the podium only with
difficulty.

No sooner was I recognized than hundreds of voices filled with rage
and revenge thundered in my ears: "Bloodhound! Murder of Workers!"
Those were the mildest words they shouted. But a welcoming group of
some party members and S.A. Men answered with passion. Excited battle
cries sounded from the platform. I saw immediately that we were a
minority, but a minority determined to fight, and therefore win.

It was still our custom then for an S.A. leader to chair all of the
party's public meetings. Here too. Tall as a tree he stood up front
and asked for silence with his upraised arm. That was easier said than
done. Mocking laughter was the answer. Insults flew toward the
platform from every corner of the room. People growled and screamed
and raged. There were world revolutionaries scattered about who
apparently had gained the courage they needed by drinking. It was
impossible to quiet the hall. The class-conscious proletariat had not
come to discuss but to fight, to break things up, to put an end to the
Fascist specter with callused workers' fists.

We were not uncertain, even for a moment. We also knew that if the
enemy did not succeed this time in what he had threatened, the future
success of the movement in Berlin was assured.

Fifteen or twenty S.A. and S.S. men stood before the platform in
uniforms and arm bands, an impudent and direct provocation to the Red
Front Fighters. Behind me was a select group of reliable people ready
at any moment to risk their lives to defend me from the onrushing red
mob with brutal force.
The Communists made an obvious mistake in their tactics. They had
scattered small groups throughout the hall, but clumped most of the
rest in the right rear of the hall. I recognized immediately that
there was the center of unrest, and if anything was to be done, we
first had to deal ruthlessly with them. Whenever the chair tried to
open the meeting, a dark chap stood up on a stool and shouted "Point
of Order!" Hundreds of others yelled the same after him.

If one takes from the mass their leader or also their seducer, they
are leaderless and easily controlled. Our tactic therefore was to
silence this cowardly troublemaker at any cost. He felt secure back
there, surrounded by his comrades. We tried to do this peacefully a
few times. The chair shouted over the uproar: "There will be
discussion afterward! But we determine the rules of order!"

That was an ineffective attempt at an unsuitable object. The screamer
wanted to throw the meeting into confusion by his endless shouts and
bring things to the boiling point. Then a general melee would result.

As our efforts to bring the meeting to order peacefully proved
unsuccessful, I took the head of the defensive forces to the side, and
immediately after groups of his men slipped through the thundering
Communist masses. Before the astonished and surprised Red Front troops
realized what was happening, our comrades had hauled the troublemaker
down from his stool and brought him through the raging crowd to the
podium. That was unexpected, but what followed was no surprise. A beer
glass flew through the air and crashed to the floor. That was the
signal for the first major meeting hall battle. Chairs were broken and
legs ripped from tables. Glasses and bottles suddenly appeared and all
hell broke loose. The battle raged for ten minutes. Glasses, bottles,
table and chair legs flew randomly through the air. A deafening roar
rose; the red beast was set free and wanted its victims.

At first it looked as if we were lost. The Communist attack was sudden
and explosive, completely unexpected. But soon the S.A. and S.S. men
distributed throughout the hall and in front of the platform recovered
from their surprise and counterattacked with bold courage. It quickly
became clear that although the Communist Party had masses behind it,
these masses became cowards when faced with a firmly disciplined and
determined opponent. They ran. In short order the red mob that had
come to break up our meeting had been driven from the hall. The order
that could not be secured by good will was gained by brute force.

Usually one is not aware of the stages of a meeting hall battle. Only
later does one recall them. I still remember a scene that I will never
forget; on the podium stood a young S.A. man whom I did not know. He
was hurling his missiles into the on-coming red mob. Suddenly a beer
glass thrown from the distance hit him on the head. A wide stream of
blood ran down his face. He sank with a cry. After a few seconds he
stood up again, grabbed water bottle from the table and threw it into
the hall, where it clattered against the head of an opponent.

The face of this young man is engraved in my memory. This
lightening-fast moment is unforgettable. This gravely-wounded S.A. man
would soon, and indeed for all times, become my most reliable and
loyal comrade.

Only after the red mob had been driven howling, growling and cursing
from the field could one tell how serious and costly the battle had
been. Ten lay in their blood on the platform, most with head injuries,
two with severe concussions. The table and stairs to the platform were
covered in blood. The whole hall resembled a field of ruins.

In the midst of this bloody and ruined wasteland, our tree-high S.A.
leader resumed his place and declared with iron calm: "The meeting
will continue. The speaker has the floor."

Never before or since have I spoken under such dramatic conditions.
Behind me, groaning in pain and bleeding, were seriously injured S.A.
comrades. Around me were broken chair legs, shattered beer glasses and
blood. The whole meeting was icily silent.
We lacked then a medical corps. Since we were in a proletarian
district, we had to have our seriously wounded carried out by
so-called worker volunteers. There were scenes outdoors of
unimaginable inhumanity. The bestial people who were supposedly
fighting for universal brotherhood insulted our poor and defenseless
injured with phases like: "Isn't that pig dead yet?"

Under such conditions it was impossible to give a coherent speech.
Scarcely had I begun to speak when another group of volunteers entered
the hall to carry off a seriously wounded S.A. man on a stretcher. One
of them, encountering the brutal apostles of humanity outside the door
and their unflattering and crude language, shouted for me in
desperation. His voice could be heard loudly and unmistakably on the
platform I interrupted my speech and went through the hall, where
there were still scattered Communist commando groups. Still surprised
by what had happened, they stood quietly and shyly to the side. I bade
farewell to the seriously wounded S.A. comrades.

[Abominable Liar Party]

On 11/01/2015 4:20 AM, Topaz wrote:
> But General Lucius Clay, military governor of the US zone of occupied
> Germany, who reviewed her case in 1948, told his superiors in
> Washington: "There is no convincing evidence that she [Ilse Koch]
> selected inmates for extermination in order to secure tattooed skins
> or that she possessed any articles made of human skin." In an
> interview General Clay gave years later, he stated about the material
> for the infamous lampshades: "Well, it turned out actually that it was
> goat flesh.

Goat flesh eh?

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/buchenwald/images/buchenwald02.jpg

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/buchenwald/images/shrunken.jpg

No convincing evidence eh?

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/DachauPhotos/OldPhotos/DrSitte.jpg

"Three pieces of tattooed skin were shown in the courtroom in Dachau
In April 1947, Ilse Koch was brought before an American military
tribunal in Dachau, where she was convicted and sentenced to life in
prison".

[Abominable Liar Party]

On 11/01/2015 4:21 AM, Topaz wrote:
> Musil Shehadeh
>

> As a Christian Palestinian, I cannot ...

A Nazi describing the plight of Palestinian Christians?

Makes you wanna throw up.

Like a shark citing violence by dolphins against fish.

[Abominable Liar Party]

On 10/01/2015 11:02 PM, Abominable Liar Party wrote:
> On 10/01/2015 9:29 PM, Crazy Horse wrote:
>> Topaz wrote:
>>>
>>> The Communists killed millions of people. And they were dangerous
>>> murderers in general.
>>
>> Well if you're going to get killed, it might as well be by a dangerous
>> murderer, I don't trust those murderers who aren't dangerous.
>>
>> moron!

Sounds of Crazy Hilda wanking to the accompaniment of crickets.

[Abominable Liar Party]

Whilst this event took place in another country & another time, and you
may think that the records have been lost (you certainly wouldn't want
to rely on some Nazi cunt's story), we employed modern technology and
found an up-to-date picture of Topaz' friends (foreground) and *also*,
as luck would have it, Crazy Hilda's mates (background);

http://www.bark.ch/albums/Jul10-05/normal_sleeping-pigs.jpg

[Fuck_Israel]

You don't have to prove to us you're incapable of understanding simple
concepts.

I'm merely a messenger; it is the Jews who disown the criminal Zionist death
cult

http://www.google.com/images?q=not+in+my+name+jews+against+zionism

[Fuck_Israel]

Topaz wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Jan 2015 19:37:30 +1100, "Fuck_Israel"
> <Vox...@spammail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>It wasn't the "economic theories of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels"
>>that killed people.
>
> Agreed. But if one of the theories is that people don't have to work
> unless they feel like it, and they all own everything and can just
> take any car they want, that is complete nonsense.
>
>

Yep I agree "that is complete nonsense" you have NFI what you're talking
about.
http://www.diffen.com/difference/Communism_vs_Socialism
http://www.diffen.com/difference/Capitalism_vs_Socialism

>>That's what happens when revolution is hijacked by criminal class for
>>self interest greed and power.
>
> It wasn't hijacked but a fraud from the beginning. Here is a
> quote from Mein Kampf:
>
> "the Jew seized upon the manifold possibilities which the
> situation offered him for the future. While on the one hand he
> organized capitalistic methods of exploitation to their ultimate
> degree of efficiency, he curried favour with the victims of his policy
> and his power and in a short while became the leader of their struggle
> against himself. 'Against himself' is here only a figurative way of
> speaking; for this 'Great Master of Lies' knows how to appear in the
> guise of the innocent and throw the guilt on others. Since he had the
> impudence to take a personal lead among the masses, they never for a
> moment suspected that they were falling prey to one of the most
> infamous deceits ever practiced. And yet that is what it actually
> was."
>

LOL that's what all politicians do, they weren't any different to
politicians we always have had (Jew or non Jew).

Take for example the current lot of politicians, the Clive Palmers the
Malcolm Turnbuls Joe hockeynomics even K Rudd wealthy con artistes "their
struggle against himself" ie self interest and pretend they work for the
benefit of people on struggle street.

"'Great Master of Lies' knows how to appear in the guise of the innocent and

throw the guilt on others" they blame the pensioners the unemployed the
students as being a drain on the economy, whereas the problem lies in the
disproportional handouts given to top end of town.

>
>>Andrew Winkler & you are confusing Judaism with cult of Zionism.
>
> They think they are God's chosen people and deserve lots of perks in
> this world.
>

Muslims and Christians also believe they're in the right and gods
favourites, so what?

>
>>1935? Don't you think the world has moved on since pre-WWII over 80
>>years ago?
>
> Things went sour in 45 and went downhill thereafter.
>

You may be disappointed with the death of the Nazis, but rest of the world
moved on.

>
>>Of course Hitler would want to target any (ALL) competing ideology
>>that threatened the Nazis Rise to power.
>
> All competing ideology is horribly wrong.

Why am I not surprised a Nazi would say that!?

As they say in the classics, "History has relegated the Nazi ideology to
the dustbin of history".

>
>>
>>No surprise in Nazis using any underhanded propaganda possible
>>including smearing Jews as working against German interest, ie
>>traitors.
>
> Jews only care about Jew interests. They are mortal enemies of
> Germans and all White people.
>

You have any evidence for this irrational fear?
Of course you don't, you're a walking talking dinosaur from a bygone age.

>
>>I thought you agreed with their atheism?
>
> Whether there is a God or something with godlike qualities is hard
> to prove or disprove. But I'm against the sodomites and the feminists
> and therefore side with Islam.
>
>>"said religion is the opium of the masses. There obviously is some
>>truth to that"
>
> Believing that God is going to solve your problems tends to make
> people too inactive.
>

Well if you "side with Islam" who believe in God, are they too inactive?

>
>>The only people obsessed by abortion these days are rich white

>>privileged men who want to tell women how to live their lives.

>
> All those who love White children should be concerned. But you can't
> outlaw abortion without some kind of socialism to make sure the
> children will be fine.
>

You're all over the shop with that statement.

You want to save white children, but have to implement "some kind of

socialism to make sure the children will be fine."

So you conceded your Nazism ideals are inadequate to today world and need to
adopt some "socialism"!?

Despite decades of scientific evidence you somehow still believe the amount
of "melanin pigment" in someone's skin determines their worth!?

>
>>The only people obsessed by sex workers these days are rich white

>>privileged men who want to tell women how to live their lives.

>
> By Clare Chapman
> (Filed: 30/01/2005)
>
> A 25-year-old waitress who turned down a job providing "sexual
> services'' at a brothel in Berlin faces possible cuts to her
> unemployment benefit under laws introduced this year.
>
> Prostitution was legalized in Germany just over two years ago and
> brothel owners - who must pay tax and employee health insurance - were
> granted access to official databases of job seekers.
>
> The waitress, an unemployed information technology professional, had
> said that she was willing to work in a bar at night and had worked in
> a cafe.
>
> She received a letter from the job centre telling her that an employer
> was interested in her "profile'' and that she should ring them. Only
> on doing so did the woman, who has not been identified for legal
> reasons, realize that she was calling a brothel.
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/01/30/wgerm30.xml
>

So? Obviously there are problems with the system changes in Germany.
Capitalist attack and exploitation of the unemployed in Australiais no
different.

"Unemployed to be forced to apply for 40 jobs a month "
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-28/government-reveals-details-of-dole-overhaul/5627660


"Abbott's Recycled Green Army Policy At slave wages"

"Green Army participants will receive up to $16.03 per hour. The Coalition
will also pay for equipment. By contrast, participants in Prime Minster
Kevin Rudd's National Green Jobs Corps-a Green Corps replacement program
which ran throughout 2010 and 2011-received $41.60 per fortnight."
https://newmatilda.com/2013/08/13/abbotts-recycled-green-army-policy

>
>>They had the right idea , we didn't get "no fault divorce" till 1975
>
> Marriage in Jewish controlled countries is a legal contract that no
> man in his right mind would sign. The divorce courts are filled with
> feminists and their whooped stooges.

It may not be 100% perfect, but what is the alternative?

>
>>Is that like a public school system/ free education ?
>
> That would be good if the right people ran the system. But as it is,
> they are enemy brainwashing centers.
>

You don't think we have enough choice in private/public schools?
Do you want a Nazi school for white kids, is that what's missing?

>>It had to happen one day
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_liberation
>
> Real men don't do such.

People cant help the way they are born, like they can't choose the colour of
their skin, they can't choose their sex either.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex

>
>>Australia hasn't been destroyed and turned to barbarism by any of
>>these initiatives in place now.
>
> Australia and other Jewish controlled countries are wrong from the
> word go and headed for third world degradation.
>
>

You sound like the nutters who believe in the "end times".

Jews don't control Australia, it's the multinational corporations big banks
and finance firms.
You are really way out of touch with what's going on in the world today.

>>But the real problem in the world isn't socialism, as that hasn't been
>>Implemented the actual system in place is Capitalism.
>
> True, but some people have the wrong kind of socialism.
>
>

Yep! "National socialism" is faux socialism, socialism by name only.
In fact it is not socialism at all, it is FASCISM!

>>"There is no way that "Brokeback Mountain" would be shown
>>in a Muslim ruled country."
>>
>>You're WRONG about "Brokeback Mountain" too,
>>as it HAS been shown in Muslim countries!
>
> You claimed it was in Turkey.

Turkey and Lebanon and United Arab Emirates.

"
Lebanon was the only Arab country to show the film, and it released a
censored format. The film was also released in Turkey.[50] The film was
officially banned from screenings in the United Arab Emirates; however,
the DVD of the film was permitted to be rented from stores such as
Blockbuster Video.[51][52]
"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brokeback_Mountain

>
> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/muslims/portraits/turkey.html
>
> Under Ataturk, Friday ceased to be a public holiday, and mosques
> emptied. Sharia law was replaced by Western legal codes. Islamic
> scholars were forced under state control. Arabic script was replaced
> by the Latin alphabet. European dress was required for both men and
> women.
>
> By the 1970s, Turkey had become the most Westernized of Muslim
> countries and an active member of NATO. But at the same time, rapid
> urbanization was changing Turkey's cities, and a free market economy
> had increased inequality. Voters were frustrated at what they saw as
> corruption within the political system. Many Muslims began to question
> Ataturk's belief that Islam should be removed from politics.
> Pro-Islamic politicians promised to rectify a split that they saw as
> artificial.
>
> By 1996, a Turkish Islamic party had gained enough popularity to win
> over 20 percent of the national vote and came to power in a coalition
> government. In response, secular officials clamped down on Islam's
> most visible symbols, among them the head scarf.
>

Yep that's true, Ataturk separated church and state and modernised Turkey,
what's your point?

[Fuck_Israel]

Abominable Liar Party wrote:
> On 11/01/2015 4:21 AM, Topaz wrote:
>> Musil Shehadeh
>>
>> As a Christian Palestinian, I cannot ...
>
> A Nazi describing the plight of Palestinian Christians?
>
> Makes you wanna throw up.
>
> Like a shark citing violence by dolphins against fish.
>

Palestinian Christians still do suffer at the Godless hands of Zionist
fascist .

Israeli Settlers Burn Greek Orthodox Church Land In Jerusalem

https://occupiedpalestine.wordpress.com/2013/04/29/israeli-settlers-burn-greek-orthodox-church-land-in-jerusalem/

Palestinian Christians protest Israeli permit regime during Palm Sunday
procession

http://972mag.com/photos-palestinian-christians-protest-permit-regime-during-palm-sunday-procession/68188/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Christians

[Abominable Liar Party]

Like the 5 pillars?
"There is only one prophet and if you mock him, you will be shot".

Yes, we get it.
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=behead+those+who+insult+islam&tbm=isch

My favourite is this one:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6xBSYzCYAEDB7Z.jpg

>
> I'm merely a messenger; it is the Jews who disown the criminal Zionist death
> cult

Stop worrying about the Jews, you moron, and start worrying about the
cartoons.


>
> http://www.google.com/images?q=not+in+my+name+jews+against+zionism

[Abominable Liar Party]

On 11/01/2015 4:41 PM, Fuck_Israel wrote:

> I'm merely a messenger

i.e. "Don't shoot me"?

Too late for that, you moron.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6xBSYzCYAEDB7Z.jpg

[Petzl]

On Sun, 11 Jan 2015 14:00:23 +1100, Abominable Liar Party
<bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote:

>On 11/01/2015 4:20 AM, Topaz wrote:
>> But General Lucius Clay, military governor of the US zone of occupied
>> Germany, who reviewed her case in 1948, told his superiors in
>> Washington: "There is no convincing evidence that she [Ilse Koch]
>> selected inmates for extermination in order to secure tattooed skins
>> or that she possessed any articles made of human skin." In an
>> interview General Clay gave years later, he stated about the material
>> for the infamous lampshades: "Well, it turned out actually that it was
>> goat flesh.
>
>Goat flesh eh?
>
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/buchenwald/images/buchenwald02.jpg
>
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/buchenwald/images/shrunken.jpg
>
>No convincing evidence eh?
>
>http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/DachauPhotos/OldPhotos/DrSitte.jpg
>
>"Three pieces of tattooed skin were shown in the courtroom in Dachau
>In April 1947, Ilse Koch was brought before an American military
>tribunal in Dachau, where she was convicted and sentenced to life in
>prison".

Nothing about the 70 million Christians killed by Jews in their
concentration camps?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1371768/Testimony-Gulags-forgotten-victims-Steal-mans-bread-die-.html
--
Petzl
Q: What has Tony Abbott promised Murdoch?
A: A broadband network that will be so slow as to offer no competition to his pay TV interests.
Mwah ha ha ha !!! Murdochs evil plan is working'
Murdoch used his evil power to get Abbott elected.
Then Murdoch set in motion the destruction of the NBN.
Now all Murdoch has to do is get his Minions to convince Australia that the ABC must go.
Nothing must stand in the way of Foxtel and Newscorp.
Australia will soon be Murdochs!

[Fuck_Israel]

Yes, it's our FREE SPEECH, let's antagonise the Muslims until one of the
loonier ones arms themselves and kills some people, very smart move!

On the other hand "FREE SPEECH" doesn't cover this

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2717282/Sydney-Morning-Herald-columnist-Mike-Carlton-resigns-forced-apologise-abusive-tweets-backlash-anti-Semitic-cartoon-escalates.html

>>
>> I'm merely a messenger; it is the Jews who disown the criminal
>> Zionist death cult
>
> Stop worrying about the Jews, you moron, and start worrying about the
> cartoons.
>
>

I'm not worried about the Jews or the cartoons, I'm worried about the
ZIONIST scum of Israel .

http://www.google.com.au/images?q=death+destruction+of+gaza
>>
>> http://www.google.com/images?q=not+in+my+name+jews+against+zionism
>>
>>
>>
>
>

[Crazy Horse]

Abominable Foster wrote:
> Abominable Liar Party wrote:

> > Crazy Horse wrote:
> >> Topaz wrote:
> >>>
> >>> The Communists killed millions of people. And they were dangerous
> >>> murderers in general.
> >>
> >> Well if you're going to get killed, it might as well be by a dangerous
> >> murderer, I don't trust those murderers who aren't dangerous.
> >>
> >> moron!
>
> Sounds of Crazy Hilda wanking to the accompaniment of crickets.

I really wish Foster would conjure up other images for his wank fodder that doesn't include me.

Perhaps he should stick to his Abbott in lycra stash.

----------

"You know what Tony Abbott's policy is? If you don't give me the job 
I'll wreck the place”.

- Paul Keating

Abbott wrecked the place even *after* he got the job.

[Topaz]

by Richard A. Widmann

In his recently published book, Why People Believe Weird Things,
Skeptic editor Michael Shermer recounts an exchange from the Phil
Donahue show. On that particular episode, CODOH director Bradley Smith
stated, "It [is] a lie that Germans cooked Jews to make soap from
them." Shermer, who is skeptical of many things, but generally a
believer in the Holocaust story, replied, "No, not a lie. It's a
mistake."

For some the tales of vicious Germans manufacturing Jews into bars
of soap and lampshades are indeed a lie, for others, like Shermer,
they are the products of innocent mistakes; for still others, the
stories remain an unassailable truth. In fact, these propaganda lies
have been dispelled many times, but continue to be repeated frequently
in establishment sources. It is no wonder that many people still
believe these horror stories.

General Lucius Clay, the military governor of the US zone of
occupied Germany, explained the lampshade story, "Well, it turned out
actually that it was goat flesh [sic --clearly the general meant
skin]. But at the trial [of Ilse Koch] it was still human flesh."
(Interview with Lucius Clay, 1976, Official Proceeding of the George
C. Marshall Research Foundation Quoted in M. Weber, "Buchenwald:
Legend and Reality," The Journal of Historical Review, Winter 1986-87
7(4), pp. 406-407.)

In regard to the human soap story, darling of the establishment
media and virulent anti-revisionist Deborah Lipstadt noted in 1981
"The fact is that the Nazis never used the bodies of Jews, or for that
matter anyone else, for the production of soap." ("Nazi Soap Rumor
During World War II," Los Angeles Times, May 16, 1981, p II/2.)
Michael Berenbaum, former director of the United States Holocaust
Memorial Museum, now supervising Steven Spielberg's taxpayer-funded
Holocaust remembrance project, admitted in 1994, "there is no
evidence, despite widespread reports, that human fat was used for
soap. The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum tested several bars
of soap reported to be composed of human fat but no such fat was
found." (Y. Gutman, M. Berenbaum, Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death Camp,
Indiana University Press, Bloomington and Indianapolis, 1994, p.80.)
One would clearly think that the case is closed, and that further
repetition of these propaganda stories would constitute nothing more
(and nothing less!) than arrant anti-German bigotry.

Still, the lies persist. On May 10, 1997 the New York Times ran an
article entitled, "Holocaust Collection Is Educator for Young." The
story concerns Milton Kohn, the owner of the world's "largest private
collection of Holocaust memorabilia." Kohn wanders the world repeating
anti-German hate stories to children. Part of his traveling collection
includes an alleged "bar of soap rendered from human fat [which] was
bought from a third party in Eastern Europe in 1968." Surely the New
York Times, which prides itself on reporting "all the news that's fit
to print," is aware that the soap story has been discredited.

The month of May also saw a revival of the hateful story of human
lampshades. In a mailing from Time-Life Video designed to hawk their
"World at War" series of videos, the advertisement reads: "More than
60 million people were shot, hanged, bombed, starved, gassed, frozen
or drowned. Nazis turned humans into lampshades... Now you can see
what hell is really like in the most definitive war footage you can
find today!"

Obviously, anti-German hatred still sells. Those who profit from
spreading these hateful lies should be called to account. It's up to
those with a sense of justice and respect for the truth to let the
offenders know that countenancing, let alone spreading, such lies
can't and won't be tolerated.

New York Times
229 West 43rd Street
New York, New York 10036

Time Life Video
1450 E. Parham Road
Richmond, VA 23286-4257

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth,
he will either quit being mistaken or cease being honest.

[Topaz]

On Sun, 11 Jan 2015 14:14:55 +1100, Abominable Liar Party
<bjfo...@yahoo.alp.invalid> wrote:

>
>A Nazi describing the plight of Palestinian Christians?
>
>Makes you wanna throw up.
>
>Like a shark citing violence by dolphins against fish.

Hitler Denounces Oppression of Palestinians
Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLmFAcSPSXI
"Palestine is at present occupied not by German troops but by the
English," says Hitler in this 1939 address. "And the country is
undergoing restriction of its liberty by the most brutal resort to
force, is being robbed of its independence and is suffering the
cruelest maltreatment for the benefit of Jewish interlopers ...
England is attempting to suppress a people that loves its freedom and
is merely defending it ... One fact is surely certain. In this case
England is not defending herself against a threatened Arab attack, but
as an uninvited interloper, is endeavoring to establish her power in a
foreign territory that does not belong to her." From Hitler's address
to the Reichstag, April 28, 1939. Palestine was then under occupation
by Britain, which supported Zionist efforts to seize the country. With
English subtitles. Runtime: 1:58 mins.

The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Meets With Hitler
German newsreel (1941) -- Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSUEx1cKUlg
Narration: "The Fuehrer receives the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem (Amin
al-Husseini), one of the most influential leaders of Arab nationalism.
The Grand Mufti is the religious leader of the Arabs in Palestine, and
at the same time their chief judge and financial administrator.
Because of his nationalist position, he has been harshly persecuted by
the British, who have offered a reward of 25,000 pounds for his
capture. After an adventurous journey he reached Germany by way of
Italy." From the German weekly newsreel, "Deutsche Wochenschau" Dec.
10, 1941.

[Topaz]

On Sun, 11 Jan 2015 16:49:59 +1100, "Fuck_Israel"
<Vox...@spammail.com> wrote:


>
>Yep I agree "that is complete nonsense" you have NFI what you're talking
>about.
>http://www.diffen.com/difference/Communism_vs_Socialism
>http://www.diffen.com/difference/Capitalism_vs_Socialism
>
>

>LOL that's what all politicians do, they weren't any different to
>politicians we always have had (Jew or non Jew).
>
>Take for example the current lot of politicians, the Clive Palmers the
>Malcolm Turnbuls Joe hockeynomics even K Rudd wealthy con artistes "their
>struggle against himself" ie self interest and pretend they work for the
>benefit of people on struggle street.
>
>"'Great Master of Lies' knows how to appear in the guise of the innocent and
>throw the guilt on others" they blame the pensioners the unemployed the
>students as being a drain on the economy, whereas the problem lies in the
>disproportional handouts given to top end of town.

The billionaire capitalists aren't given handouts. Maybe you can count
tax loopholes but that isn't the main problem. The capitalists argue
that it is all fair and square. They argue that people must compete to
see who will work for the fewest pennies. Naturally most of the jobs
are going to Mexico and China.

Going by capitalist supply and demand most humans are not worth very
much. Socialism is needed not because the upper 1% are getting unfair
handouts, but because once someone has a few million he doesn't really
need more. We should take from them and give to homeless citizens. It
isn't going to kill the billionaires. Let them scream that it is
unfair, so what. It is right and good.

>> They think they are God's chosen people and deserve lots of perks in
>> this world.
>>
>
>Muslims and Christians also believe they're in the right and gods
>favourites, so what?

The Weight of Tradition: Why Judaism is Not Like Other Religions

By Mark Weber


Many critics of Israel and its policies make a sharp distinction
between Israel and its state ideology, Zionism, on the one hand, and
Judaism, or the Jewish religious tradition and outlook, on the other.

Anti-Zionist groups, with names such as "Jewish Voice for Peace" or
"Jews for Justice for Palestinians," and anti-Zionist periodicals such
as The Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, emphasize humanistic
aspects of the Jewish tradition. They urge Jews to reject Zionism and
instead embrace humanistic features of Judaism. Such groups, while
critical of Israel and its policies, take the view that the Jewish
community has played a basically positive role in society, but that
sometime in the twentieth century most Jews somehow jumped the track
by embracing Zionism and its aggressive ethnic nationalism.

In fact, the often cruel and arrogant policies of Israel, and the
often arrogant attitudes of what is called the "Israel Lobby," the
Jewish lobby, or the organized Jewish community, are not an
aberration, but rather are deeply rooted in Jewish religious writings
and in centuries of Jewish tradition.

Most people prefer pleasant myths to unpleasant truths, and prefer to
believe what is most comfortable and agreeable. That's one reason why
so many of us like to think that all religions share common humanistic
core values, and are all striving, each in its own way, toward the
same ultimate truth.

But Judaism is not just "another religion." It's unique among the
world's major religions. The core values and ethos of Judaism are
markedly unlike those of Christianity, Islam, and the other great
faiths.

Christians believe that Jesus suffered and died for all people, and
Christians are called upon to spread the Christian message to
humanity. In the same way, Muslims believe that the message of the
Koran is meant for all humanity, and they are called upon to bring
everyone to Islam.

But that's not the message of Judaism. Its teachings are not meant for
all people. Its morality is not universal. Judaism is a religion for
one particular people. The Jewish religion is based not on a
relationship between God and humanity, but rather on a "covenant," or
contract, between God and a "chosen" people -- the community known as
the Jews, the Jewish People, the Israelites, the Hebrews, or the
"People of Israel."

One major reason why the role of the organized Jewish community is a
problem in our society is because most American Jews manifest a strong
loyalty to a foreign country, Israel, that since its founding in 1948
has been embroiled in seemingly endless crises and conflicts with its
neighbors. But there is another reason.

The role of the Jewish community is also a harmful one because Jews
are encouraged to regard themselves as separate from the rest of
humanity, and as members of a community with interests quite distinct
from those of everyone else. This "Us vs. Them" attitude -- this
mindset that sees Jews as dis­tinct from the rest of humanity, and
which views non-Jews with distrust -- is rooted in the Jewish
religion, and in centuries of tradition.

Christians are supposed to live their lives in accord with the Bible,
and especially the teachings of Jesus as laid out in the four Gospels
of the New Testament, just as Muslims are called upon to live their
lives in accord with the Koran. Similarly, Jews are supposed to lives
their lives in accord with the principles laid out in the Hebrew
scriptures, the "Tanakh," which is also known as the Old Testament.
These writings tell how Jews should think of themselves, and how they
should interact with non-Jews.

A core message of the Hebrew scriptures is that Jews are a divinely
"chosen" people -- a unique community distinct from the rest of
humanity. In the book of Deuteronomy, for example, we read: "For you
are a people holy to the Lord your God. The Lord your God has chosen
you to be a people for his own possession, out of all the peoples that
are on the face of the earth." /1

The Jewish scriptures also refer to Jews or Hebrews as a "People that
Shall Dwell Alone," or, in another translation, as "a people dwelling
alone, and not reckoning itself among the nations." In the book of
Exodus, we read of the Jews as a people "distinct ... from all other
people that are upon the face of the earth." / 2

The scriptures also explain that if Jews uphold the "covenant," and
maintain their separateness from all others, they will be rewarded
with great wealth and power over other peoples. In the book of
Deuteronomy, Jews are promised that God "will set you high above all
the nations of the earth," and that "All the people of the earth shall
see that you are called by the name of the Lord, and they shall be
afraid of you." In another passage God tells the Jews: "For the Lord
your God will bless you, as he promised you, and you shall lend to
many nations, but you shall not borrow; and you shall rule over many
nations, but they shall not rule over you." / 3

In the book of Genesis, we read: "May God give you of the dew of
heaven, and of the fatness of the earth, and plenty of grain and wine.
Let peoples serve you, and nations bow down to you." In another
passage in the book of Deuteronomy, God promises to Jews "to give you,
with great and goodly cities, which you did not build, and houses full
of all good things, which you did not fill, and cisterns hewn out,
which you did not hew, and vineyards and olive trees, which you did
not plant…" / 4

In the book of Isaiah, we read: "Foreigners shall build up your walls,
and their kings shall minister to you ... For the nation and kingdom
that will not serve you shall perish … The sons of those who oppressed
you shall come bending low to you, and all who despised you shall bow
down at your feet … Aliens shall stand and feed your flocks,
foreigners shall be your plowmen and vinedressers … you shall eat the
wealth of the nations, and in their riches you shall glory." / 5

In the book of Joshua, we read: "I will give you a land on which you
had not labored, and cities which you had not built, and you dwell
therein; you eat the fruit of vineyards and olive yards which you did
not plant." And in the book of Psalms, God says to the Jews: "Ask of
me, and I will make the nations your heritage, and the ends of the
earth your possession. You shall break them with a rod of iron, and
dash them in pieces like a potter's wheel." / 6

In the book of Deuteronomy, Jews are promised: "Then the Lord will
drive out all these nations before you, and you will dispossess
nations greater and mightier than yourselves. Every place on which the
sole of your foot treads shall be yours … No man shall be able to
stand against you. The Lord your God will lay the fear of you and the
dread of you upon all the land that you shall tread, as he promised
you." In another passage, we are told that God says to his chosen
people: "This day I will begin to put the dread and fear of you upon
the peoples that are under the whole heaven, who shall hear the report
of you and shall tremble and be in anguish because of you." / 7

The moral code laid out in the Hebrew scriptures commands one standard
for the "chosen people," and another for non-Jews. In keeping with
this ethno-centric morality, Jews are told that they must discriminate
against non-Jews. In the book of Deuteronomy, God commands the Jews:
"You shall not lend upon interest to your brother, interest on money,
interest on victuals, interest on anything that is lent for interest.
To a foreigner [that is, a non-Jew] you may lend upon interest, but to
your brother you shall not lend upon interest." / 8

Many portions of the Hebrew scriptures -- especially the books of
Joshua, Numbers, and Deuteronomy -- tell of genocidal mass killings of
non-Jews. The Jewish God repeatedly calls on his chosen people to
exterminate non-Jews. The Jewish scriptures are perhaps the oldest
historical record anywhere of systematic genocide.

In the seventh chapter of the book of Deuteronomy, we read: "When the
Lord your God brings you into the land which you are entering to take
possession of it, and clears away many nations before you -- the
Hittites, the Girgashites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the
Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites -- seven nations greater
and mightier than yourselves, and when the Lord your God gives them
over to you, and you defeat them; then you must utterly destroy them;
you shall make no covenant with them, and show no mercy to them … And
you shall destroy all the peoples that the Lord your god will give
over to you, your eye shall not pity them." / 9

In the book of Esther, we read: "So the Jews struck down all their
enemies with the sword, slaughtering, and destroying them, and did as
they pleased to those who hated them. In the citadel of Susa the Jews
killed and destroyed five hundred people … Now the other Jews who were
in the king's provinces also gathered to defend their lives, and
gained relief from their enemies, and killed seventy-five thousand of
those who hated them…" In another passage in Deuteronomy, we read:
"And we captured all his cities at that time and utterly destroyed
every city, men, women and children; we left none remaining; only the
cattle we took as spoil for ourselves, with the booty of the cites
which we captured." / 10

In the twentieth chapter of the book of Deuteronomy, we read: "When
you draw near a city to fight against it, offer terms of peace to it.
And if the answer to you is peace and it opens to you, then all the
people who are found in it shall do forced labor for you and shall
serve you. But if it makes no peace with you, but makes war against
you, then you shall besiege it; and when the Lord your God gives it
into your hand you shall put all its males to the sword, but the women
and the little ones, the cattle, and everything else in the city, all
its spoil, you shall take as booty for yourselves; and you shall enjoy
the spoil of your enemies, which the Lord your God has given you … But
in the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God give you for an
inheritance, you shall save alive nothing that breathes, but you shall
utterly destroy them…" / 11

In the book of Joshua, we read this harrowing account:

"When Israel had finished slaughtering all the inhabitants of Ai in
the open wilderness where they pursued them, and when all of them to
the very last had fallen by the edge of the sword, all Israel returned
to Ai, and attacked it with the edge of the sword. The total of those
who fell that day, both men and women, was twelve thousand -- all the
people of Ai. For Joshua did not draw back his hand, with which he
stretched out the sword, until he had utterly destroyed all the
inhabitants of Ai. Only the livestock and the spoil of that city
Israel took as their booty, according to the word of the Lord that he
had issued to Joshua. So Joshua burned Ai, and made it for ever a heap
of ruins, as it is to this day." / 12

In another chapter of the book of Joshua, we read: / 13

"And Joshua took Makkedah on that day, and struck it and its king with
the edge of the sword; he utterly destroyed every person in it; he
left no one remaining. And he did to the king of Makkedah, as he had
done to the king of Jericho.

"Then Joshua passed on from Makkedah, and all Israel with him, to
Libnah, and fought against Libnah. The Lord gave it also and its king
into the hand of Israel; and he struck it with the edge of the sword,
and every person in it; he left no one remaining in it; and he did to
its king as he had done to the king of Jericho …

"So Joshua defeated the whole land, the hill country and the Negeb and
the lowland and the slopes, and all their kings; he left no one
remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the Lord God of
Israel commanded. And Joshua defeated them from Kadesh-barnea to Gaza,
and all the country of Goshen, as far as Gibeon."

Over the centuries there have, of course, been important changes in
Jewish community attitudes and behavior. Jews today do not observe all
the rules and commands laid down in their religious writings. For
example, they do not put to death women caught in adultery, or kill
anyone who works on the Sabbath, or put to death anyone who curses his
father or mother. /14

All the same, the weight of tradition is a heavy one, especially when
based on writings that are held to be sacred. Something of the
attitude of separateness, chosenness and superiority laid out in the
Hebrew scriptures persists to the present, and is manifest in policies
of Israel, and of the organized Jewish community. /15

For some orthodox Jewish leaders, the "chosen people" is not just a
superior or privileged group. They regard Jews and non-Jews as
practically different species.

Rabbi Menachen Schneerson, the "Lubovitcher Rebbe" who headed the
Chabad orthodox Jewish movement, and wielded great influence in Israel
as well as in the US, explained: / 16

"The difference between a Jewish and a non-Jewish person stems from
the common expression, `Let us differentiate.' Thus, we do not have a
case of profound change in which a person is merely on a superior
level. Rather we have a case of `let us differentiate' between totally
different species. This is what needs to be said about the body: the
body of a Jewish person is of a totally different quality from the
body of [members] of all nations of the world … A non-Jew's entire
reality is only vanity. It is written, `And the strangers shall guard
and feed your flocks' (Isaiah 61:5). The entire creation [of a
non-Jew] exists only for the sake of the Jews …"

Rabbi Kook the Elder, another influential and much revered Jewish
leader, expressed a similar view: "The difference between a Jewish
soul and the souls of non-Jews -- all of them in all different levels
-- is greater and deeper than the difference between a human soul and
the souls of cattle." / 17

Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, one of Israel's most prominent and influential
Jewish religious leaders, says that non-Jews (Goyim) exist only to
serve Jews. "Goyim were born only to serve us," said Rabbi Yosef
during a sermon in October 2010. "Without that, they have no place in
the world -- only to serve the people of Israel." /18

The view that Jews are a distinct people with a primary commitment to
Israel and the Jewish community is forthrightly affirmed by Elliott
Abrams, an American Jewish scholar who was President George W. Bush's
senior advisor for "global democratic strategy," and in 2006 was a key
advisor on Middle East affairs to the US Secretary of State. In his
book Faith or Fear: How Jews Can Survive in Christian America, /19 he
writes: "Outside the land of Israel, there can be no doubt that Jews,
faithful to the covenant between God and Abraham, are to stand apart
from the nations in which they live. It is the very nature of being
Jewish to be apart -- except in Israel -- from the rest of the
population." Judaism and the Jewish way of life," writes Abrams, is
not "entirely voluntary, for the Jew is born into a covenantal
community with obligations to God." Jews, he goes on, "are in a
permanent covenant with God and with the land of Israel and its
people. Their commitment will not weaken if the Israeli government
pursues unpopular policies …"

The Jewish sense of alienation from, and abiding distrust of, non-Jews
is also manifest in a remarkable essay published in 2002 in the
Forward, the prominent Jewish community weekly. Entitled "We're Right,
the Whole World's Wrong," it is written by Rabbi Dov Fischer, an
attorney and a member of the Jewish Community Relations Committee of
the Jewish Federation of Los Angeles. / 20 Rabbi Fischer is also
national vice president of the Zionist Organization of America. He is
thus not an obscure or semi-literate scribbler, but rather an
influential Jewish community figure. And this piece did not appear in
some marginal periodical, but rather in what is perhaps the most
literate and thoughtful Jewish weekly in America, and certainly one of
the most influential.

In his essay, Rabbi Fischer tells readers: "If we Jews are anything,
we are a people of history … Our history provides the strength to know
that we can be right and the whole world wrong." He goes on:

"We were right, and the whole world was wrong. The Crusades. The blood
libels and the Talmud burnings in England and France, leading those
nations to expel Jews for centuries. The Spanish and Portuguese
Inquisition. The ghettos and the Mortara case in Italy. Dreyfus in
France. Beilis in Russia and a century's persecution of Soviet Jewry.
The Holocaust. Kurt Waldheim in Austria. Each time, Europe stood by
silently -- or actively participated in murdering us -- and we alone
were right, and the whole world was wrong.

"Today, once again, we alone are right and the whole world is wrong.
The Arabs, the Russians, the Africans, the Vatican proffer their
aggregated insights into and accumulated knowledge of the ethics of
massacre. And the Europeans. Although we appreciate the half-century
of West European democracy more than we appreciated the prior
millennia of European brutality, we recognize who they are, what they
have done -- and what's what. ...

"We remember that the food they [Europeans] eat is grown from soil
fertilized by 2,000 years of Jewish blood they have sprinkled onto it.
Atavistic Jew-hatred lingers in the air into which the ashes rose from
the crematoria... Yes, once again, we are right and the whole world is
wrong. It doesn't change a thing, but after 25 centuries it's nice to
know."

Time and again in history, Jews have wielded great power to further
group interests that are separate from, and often contrary to, those
of the non-Jewish populations among whom they live. This creates an
inherently unjust and unstable situation that all too often has ended
tragically in violent conflict between Jews and non-Jews.

In our age, the seemingly intractable Middle East conflict is more
than just a problem of Zionism or politics, or a dispute over land.
Israel's often arrogant policies, and especially its inhumane
treatment of non-Jews, have roots in centuries-old attitudes that are
laid out in ancient Jewish religious writings.

Notes

Deuteronomy 7:6 and 14:2.
Numbers 23:9; Exodus 33:16.
Deuteronomy 28: 1, 10; 15: 6.
Genesis 27: 28-29; Deuteronomy 6: 10-11.
Isaiah 60: 10-14; Isaiah 61: 5-6.
Joshua 24:13; Psalms 2:8.
Deuteronomy 11: 23, 25: 2: 25.
Deuteronomy 23:19-20.
Deuteronomy 7: 2, 16.
Esther 9:2, 5; Deut . 2:34.
Deuteronomy 20: 10-14, 16-17.
Joshua 8: 24-27.
Joshua 10: 26-40
Leviticus 20:10; Deuteronomy 22: 20-21 / Exodus 31: 15; Exodus 35: 2 /
Exodus 21: 17; Leviticus 20: 9.
Israel Shahak, a Jewish scholar who for years was a professor at
Hebrew University in Jerusalem, provides striking examples of this in
modern-day Israel in his eye-opening book, Jewish History, Jewish
Religion, published first in 1994.
( http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/jewhis1.htm )
(http://members.tripod.com/alabasters_archive/jewish_history.html)
From the book by Schneerson, Gatherings of Conversations, published in
1965. Quoted in: Israel Shahak and Norton Mezvinsky, Jewish
Fundamentalism (London: 1999), pp. 59-60.
( http://www.mailstar.net/shahak2.html )
(http://members.tripod.com/alabasters_archive/jewish_fundamentalism.html)
Also cited by Jewish scholar Allan C. Brownfeld in his review
published in The Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, March 2000.
( http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0300/0003105.html )
Quoted in: Israel Shahak and Norton Mezvinsky, Jewish Fundamentalism
(London: 1999), p. ix.
( http://www.mailstar.net/shahak2.html )
(http://members.tripod.com/alabasters_archive/jewish_fundamentalism.html)
Also cited by Jewish scholar Allan C. Brownfeld in his review
published in The Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, March 2000.
( http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0300/0003105.html )
"Yosef: Gentiles exist only to serve Jews," The Jerusalem Post
(Israel), Oct. 18, 2010.
(http://www.jpost.com/JewishWorld/JewishNews/Article.aspx?id=191782)
Elliott Abrams, Faith or Fear: How Jews Can Survive in Christian
America (New York: 1997), pp. 30, 145, 181.
Dov Fischer, "We're Right, the Whole World's Wrong," Forward (New
York), April 19, 2002, p. 11.
( http://rabbidov.com/American%20Jews/wererightworldwrong.htm )
Some of Fischer's remarks here are gross distortions of history. For
example, his mention of "a century's persecution of Soviet Jewry" is a
breathtaking falsehood. For one thing, the entire Soviet period lasted
72 years, not 100. And during at least some of that period, above all
during the first ten years of the Soviet era, Jews wielded tremendous,
if not dominant power. Rabbi Fischer seems to have forgotten such
figures as Leon Trotsky, com­mander in chief of the young Soviet
state's Red Army, Grigori Zinoviev, head of the Communist
International, and Yakov Sverdlov, the first Soviet president. (See:
M. Weber, "The Jewish Role in the Bolshevik Revolution and Russia's
Early Soviet Regime," The Journal of Historical Review, Jan.-Feb.
1994. (http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_Weber.html )
-Ju

>You may be disappointed with the death of the Nazis, but rest of the world
>moved on.

The world is going down the tubes because the wrong side won the war.

>> All competing ideology is horribly wrong.
>
>Why am I not surprised a Nazi would say that!?
>
>As they say in the classics, "History has relegated the Nazi ideology to
>the dustbin of history".

Obviously losing the war didn't prove they were wrong. It only proved
they were outnumbered. Compare the size of Germany to the size of the
Jewish controlled countries, the USA and the USSR. Hitler made Germany
great. Of course the Jew parasites couldn't stand that. Unfortunately
the bad side won the war.

An article by Dr. Joseph Goebbels, January 21, 1945
The Creators of the World's Misfortunes
by Joseph Goebbels

One could not understand this war if one did not always keep in mind
the fact that International Jewry stands behind all the unnatural
forces that our united enemies use to attempt to deceive the world and
keep humanity in the dark. It is so to speak the mortar that holds the
enemy coalition firmly together, despite its differences of class,
ideology and interests. Capitalism and Bolshevism have the same Jewish
roots, two branches of the same tree that in the end bear the same
fruit. International Jewry uses both in its own way to suppress the
nations and keep them in its service. How deep its influence on public
opinion is in all the enemy countries and many neutral nations is
plain to see that it may never be named in newspapers, speeches and
radio broadcasts. There is a law in the Soviet Union that punishes
anti-Semitism - or in plain English, public education about the Jewish
Question - by death. The expert in these matters is in no way
surprised that a leading spokesman for the Kremlin said over the New
Year that the Soviet Union would not rest until this law was valid
throughout the world. In other words, the enemy clearly says that its
goal in this war is to put the total domination of Jewry over the
nations of the earth under legal protection, and to threaten even a
discussion of this shameful attempt with the death penalty.

It is little different in the plutocratic nations. There the struggle
against the impudent usurpation of the Jewish race is not punished by
the executioner, rather by death through economic and social boycott
and by intellectual terror. This has the same effect in the end.
Stalin, Churchill and Roosevelt were made by the Jewry. They enjoy its
full support and reward it with their full protection. They present
themselves in their speeches as upright men of civil courage, yet one
never hears even a word against the Jews, even though there is growing
hatred among their people as a result of this war, a hatred that is
fully justified. Jewry is a tabu theme in the enemy countries. It
stands outside every legal boundary and thus becomes the tyrant of its
host peoples. While enemy soldiers fight, bleed and die at the front,
the Jews make money from their sacrifice on the stock exchanges and
black markets. If a brave man dares to step forward and accuse the
Jews of their crimes, he will be mocked and spat on by their press,
chased from his job or otherwise impoverished, and be brought into
public contempt. Even that is apparently not enough for the Jews. They
want to bring Soviet conditions to the whole world: to give Jewry
absolute power and freedom from prosecution. He who objects or even
debates the matter gets a bullet in the back of his head or an axe
through his neck. There is no worse tyranny than this. This is the
epitome of the public and secret disgrace that Jewry inflicts on the
nations that deserve freedom.

That is all long behind us. Yet it still threatens us in the distance.
We have, it is true, entirely broken the power of the Jews in the
Reich, but they have not given up. They did not rest until they had
mobilized the whole world against us. Since they could no longer
conquer Germany from within, they want to try it from without. Every
Russian, English and American soldier is a mercenary of this world
conspiracy of a parasitic race. Given the current state of the war,
who could still believe that they are fighting and dying at the front
for the national interests of their countries! The nations want a
decent peace, but the Jews are against it. They know that the end of
the war would mean the dawning knowledge of humanity of the unhealthy
role that International Jewry played in preparing for and carrying out
this war. They fear being unmasked, which has in fact become
unavoidable and must inevitably come, just as the day follows the
night. That explains their raging bursts of hatred against us, which
are only the result of their fear and their feelings of inferiority.
They are too eager, and that makes them suspicious. International
Jewry will not succeed in turning this war to its advantage. Things
are already too far along. The hour will come in which all the peoples
of the earth will awake, and the Jews will be the victims. Here too
things can only go so far.

It is an old, often-used method of International Jewry to discredit
education and knowledge about its corrupting nature and drives,
thereby depending on the weaknesses of those people who easily confuse
cause with effect. The Jews are also masters at manipulating public
opinion, which they dominate through their network of news agencies
and press concerns that reaches throughout the world. The pitiful
illusion of a free press is one of the methods they use to stupefy the
publics of enemy lands. If the enemy press is as free as it pretends
to be, let it take an open position, for or against, on the Jewish
Question. It will not do that because it cannot and may not do so. The
Jews love to mock and criticize everything except themselves, although
everyone knows that they are most in need of public criticism. This is
where the so-called freedom of the press in enemy countries ends.
Newspapers, parliaments, statesmen and church leaders must be silent
here. Crimes and vices, filth and corruption are covered by the
blanket of love. The Jews have total control of public opinion in
enemy countries, and he who has that is also master of all of public
life. Only the nations that have to accept such a condition are to be
pitied. The Jews mislead them into believing that the German nation is
backward. Our alleged backwardness is actually proof of our progress.
We have recognized the Jews as a national and international danger,
and from this knowledge have drawn compelling conclusions. This German
knowledge will become the knowledge of he world at the end of this
war. We think it our primary duty to do everything in our power to
make that happen.

Humanity would sink into eternal darkness, it would fall into a dull
and primitive state, were the Jews to win this war. They are the
incarnation of that destructive force that in these terrible years has
guided the enemy war leadership in a fight against all that we see as
noble, beautiful and worth keeping. For that reason alone the Jews
hate it. They despite our culture and learning, which they perceive as
towering over their nomadic worldview. They fear our economic and
social standards, which leave no room for their parasitic drives, They
are the enemy of our domestic order, which has excluded their
anarchistic tendencies. Germany is the first nation in the world that
is entirely free of the Jews. That is the prime cause of its political
and economic balance. Since their expulsion from the German national
body has made it impossible for them to shake this balance from
within, they lead the nations they have deceived in battle against us
from without. It is fine with them, in fact it is part of their plan,
that Europe in the process will lose a large part of its cultural
values. The Jews had no part in their creation. They do not understand
them. A deep racial instinct tells them that since these heights of
human creative activity are forever out of their reach, they must
attack them today with hatred. The day is not distant when the nations
of Europe, yes, even those of the whole world, will shout: The Jews
are guilty for all our misfortunes! They must be called to account,
and soon and thoroughly!
International Jewry is ready with its alibi. Just as during the great
reckoning in Germany, they will attempt to look innocent and say that
one needs a scapegoat, and they are it. But that will no longer help
them, just as it did not help them during the National Socialist
revolution, The proof of their historical guilt, in details large and
small, is so plain that they can no longer be denied even with the
most clever lies and hypocrisy.

Who is it that drives the Russians, the English and the Americans into
battle and sacrifices huge numbers of human lives in a hopeless
struggle against the German people? The Jews! Their newspapers and
radio broadcasts spread the songs of war while the nations they have
deceived are led to the slaughter. Who is it that invents new plans of
hatred and destruction against us every day, making this war into a
dreadful case of self-mutilation and self-destruction of European life
and its economy, education and culture? The Jews! Who devised the
unnatural marriage between England and the USA on one side and
Bolshevism on the other, building it up and jealously ensuring its
continuance? Who covers the most perverse political situations with
cynical hypocrisy from a trembling fear that a new way could lead the
nations to realize the true causes of this terrible human catastrophe?
The Jews, only the Jews! They are named Morgenthau and Lehmann and
stand behind Roosevelt as a so-called brain trust. They are named
Mechett and Sasoon and serve as Churchill's money bags and order
givers. They are named Kaganovitsch and Ehrenburg and are Stalin's
pacesetters and intellectual spokesmen. Wherever you look, you see
Jews. They march as political commisars behind the Red army and
organize murder and terror in the areas conquered by the Soviets. They
sit behind the lines in Paris and Brussels, Rome and Athens, and
fashion their reins from the skin of the unhappy nations that have
fallen under their power.

That is the truth. It can no longer be denied, particularly since in
their drunken joy of power and victory the Jews have forgotten their
ordinarily so carefully maintained reserve and now stand in the
spotlight of public opinion. They no longer bother, apparently
believing that it is no longer necessary, that their hour has come.
And this is their mistake, which they always make when think
themselves near their great goal of anonymous world domination.
Thoughout the history of the nations, whenever this tragic situation
developed, a good providence saw to it that the Jews themselves became
the grave diggers of their own hopes. They did not destroy the healthy
peoples, rather the sting of their parasitic effects brought the
realization of the looming danger to the forefront and led to the
greatest sacrifices to overcome it. At a certain point, they become
that power that always wants evil but creates good. It will be that
way this time too.

The fact that the German nation was the first on earth to recognize
this danger and expel it from its organism is proof of its healthy
instincts. It therefore became the leader of a world struggle whose
results will determine of fate and the future of International Jewry.
We view with complete calm the wild Old Testament tirades of hatred
and revenge of Jews throughout the world against us. They are only
proof that we are on the right path. They cannot unsettle us. We gaze
on them with sovereign contempt and remember that these outbursts of
hate and revenge were everyday events for us in Germany until that
fateful day for International Jewry, 30 January 1933, when the world
revolution against the Jews that threatened not only Germany, but all
the other nations, began.
It will not cease before it has reached its goal. The truth can not be
stopped by lies or force. It will get through. The Jews will meet
their Cannae at the end of this war. Not Europe, rather they will
lose. They may laugh at this prophecy today, but they have laughed so
often in the past, and almost as often they stopped laughing sooner or
later. Not only do we know precisely what we want, we also know
precisely what we do not want. The deceived nations of he Earth may
still lack the knowledge they need, but we will bring it to them. How
will the Jews stop that in the long run? They believe their power
rests on sure foundations, but it stands on feet of clay. One hard
blow and it will collapse, burying the creators of the misfortunes of
the world in its ruins.

>> Jews only care about Jew interests. They are mortal enemies of
>> Germans and all White people.
>>
>
>You have any evidence for this irrational fear?
>Of course you don't, you're a walking talking dinosaur from a bygone age.

"All countries which have been the homelands of European-derived
peoples are under attack from the same place. The attack is not from
all sides; it is only one group that is orchestrating this attack.

The goal of the recent change in immigration policies is to dilute the
White race in all these countries by importing millions of third world
minorities. These minorities are used to create diversion and
conflict, which is the atmosphere that the Jewish mafia thrives in.
Jews control our media, our universities, our finances, and they use
their enormous ill-gotten gains to bribe or intimidate or sue into
submission anyone that opposes them.

We have only ourselves to blame, as we are the nations that turned on
Germany for trying to fight off their Jewish oppressors. Now it is
becoming obvious even to the most blind that the Jews have us all by
the throats and they intend to destroy western civilization from
within. Immigration is just one of their weapons.

They use political correctness and the pretense of minority rights to
punish anyone who speaks out against this illegal subversion of our
governments. The Muslim problem is no more than a reaction to the
support of Israel from England, the USA, and other Western nations.
The Muslims know what the Jews are and who can blame them for fighting
in any way they can.

The real terrorists have become our own governments which are being
controlled by the Jewish race. They are a race/nation/religion and
they work together as a group, while Whites are individuals.
Individuals cannot stand against organized crime. As long as we are
so afraid of being called a racist to even talk about this subject, we
will remain enslaved and it will just get worse.

Already in the USA, it is Whites who are having trouble getting good
jobs. Jews run all media, most government, financing, and
universities. They use affirmative action and quotas to put
unqualified blacks and browns into many jobs, while they take all the
top jobs. Whites are squeezed from the top and the bottom.

Some Whites of course are still doing very well being politically
correct and serving the Jews. These race traitors are worse than the
Jews themselves. Without their cooperation the Jews would be easily
removed and could not control the world.

Look to your central banks. The Bank of England is not English! The
Jews have been in control of England since 1694, and they have
steadily increased their control until now they are strong enough to
force the English into slavery. That is where their control comes
from.

The Federal Reserve in the USA makes from 150 to 300 billion a year
and it is all tax-free. This is a privately owned bank that has
never been audited. It is unconstitutional and it now is the most
powerful branch of government and it is mostly owned by foreign Jewish
bankers. This is just the crack, as they use this money to get
control of Wall Street and most of the large corporations of the USA.

There is no place to run and there is no place to hide. We are the
prey and they are the predators and until you realize this you are
like the fawn in the land of the hyena. As long as we refuse to open
our eyes and our mouths, we will be little more than food for the Jews
and our children will be even weaker and fewer, until the great light
of our race is extinguished from the earth."

John David

>> Believing that God is going to solve your problems tends to make
>> people too inactive.
>>
>
>Well if you "side with Islam" who believe in God, are they too inactive?

http://www.onislam.net/english/reading-islam/living-islam/growing-in-faith/443139-tie-your-camel.html

Trust in Allah is a difficult issue that can be easily misunderstood.

There is a temptation to believe that by trusting in Allah, we can
relieve ourselves of any responsibility for our actions or role in
events and situations that arise in our lives.

One day Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) noticed a Bedouin leaving
his camel without tying it and he asked the Bedouin, "Why don't you
tie down your camel?" The Bedouin answered:

"I put my trust in Allah."

The Prophet then said:

"Tie your camel first, then put your trust in Allah" (At-Tirmidhi,
2517)

>> All those who love White children should be concerned. But you can't
>> outlaw abortion without some kind of socialism to make sure the
>> children will be fine.
>>
>
>You're all over the shop with that statement.
>
>You want to save white children, but have to implement "some kind of
>socialism to make sure the children will be fine."
>So you conceded your Nazism ideals are inadequate to today world and need to
>adopt some "socialism"!?

I have not seen anywhere that Hitler ever said the word "Nazi". His
party was the National Socialists and that is what he always said.

>Despite decades of scientific evidence you somehow still believe the amount
>of "melanin pigment" in someone's skin determines their worth!?

The former White nations and Japan are the first world. The Black
nations and India are the third world. In the middle, or the second
world are the Arabs and China. It is just as racialists would predict.
It is because the White race is on average much more intelligent than
the Black race. The people in Japan are much lighter in color than the
people in India.

All IQ tests have proven that Whites are on average much more
intelligent than Blacks. White people invented just about everything
important. Most leftists admit that Whites on average score higher on
the tests. They have their excuses for it, but all of their excuses
are demolished in "My Awakening" by David Duke.

>So? Obviously there are problems with the system changes in Germany.
>Capitalist attack and exploitation of the unemployed in Australiais no
>different.

Prostitution is exploitation in it's purest form.

>
>"Unemployed to be forced to apply for 40 jobs a month "
>http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-28/government-reveals-details-of-dole-overhaul/5627660
>
>
>"Abbott's Recycled Green Army Policy At slave wages"
>
>"Green Army participants will receive up to $16.03 per hour. The Coalition
>will also pay for equipment. By contrast, participants in Prime Minster
>Kevin Rudd's National Green Jobs Corps-a Green Corps replacement program
>which ran throughout 2010 and 2011-received $41.60 per fortnight."
>https://newmatilda.com/2013/08/13/abbotts-recycled-green-army-policy
>

>> Marriage in Jewish controlled countries is a legal contract that no
>> man in his right mind would sign. The divorce courts are filled with
>> feminists and their whooped stooges.
>
>It may not be 100% perfect, but what is the alternative?

Robin Williams, for example, lost 30 million dollars when he got
divorced. He joked that alimony really means - all the money. The
result was suicide. The alternative is that he should have just paid
enough to provide for children reasonably and not - all the money.

http://pagesix.com/2014/08/12/robin-williams-faced-serious-money-troubles-before-death/

As the world mourns the shocking loss of Robin Williams, details
continue to emerge about the comedy icon’s recent struggles with money
and addiction. All he could talk about were serious money troubles, a
family friend who recently spoke with Williams told Radar Online.
There were clearly other issues going on and Robin sounded distant
during the telephone conversation. Williams opened up about his money
problems in a Parade magazine interview last year in which he
mentioned how hard it was to deal with divorce.
Divorce is expensive, Williams said. It’s ripping your heart through
your wallet.

>
>You don't think we have enough choice in private/public schools?
>Do you want a Nazi school for white kids, is that what's missing?

We should have a National Socialist government and schools.

>People cant help the way they are born, like they can't choose the colour of
>their skin, they can't choose their sex either.

If they are born defective they should be sterilized.

>You sound like the nutters who believe in the "end times".

"There's this hilarious disconnect in the sheeple brain, where they
have been progressively brainwashed over a forty year period into
believing that once they have committed suicide themselves, an
identical civilization will be left behind except with a different
demographic makeup. They will yank the white tablecloth out from under
the dinnerware and the society will remain standing, only
melanin-enriched but otherwise the same.

It's like white people all over the planet were each taking turns
shooting themselves in the head with the same gun, convinced when they
have all killed themselves they will leave the perfect society behind.
I've got bad news for you. What you think of as civilization is joined
at the hip with the Indo-European gene pool. It's not even like oil
and water because it's all an unbroken continuum.

Culture is gene expression. If enough Mexicans inhabit any area on the
planet, that area will look exactly like Mexico in short order.

There's no piece of land on Earth that has a special gas exuded by the
local soil that makes flush toilets, clean running water, air
conditioning and the rule of law. There's no geographic location that
has these properties inherently. Irregardless of whether they are
bright enough to see it and understand why, whites tend to terraform
their surroundings to reflect what is inside them. Everything they
take for granted as the human standard, is in fact a projection of
their own qualities out onto a world that by and large is completely
indifferent to them.

America has already slipped past the demographic failsafe point. There
ain't no going back. Just like the nation formerly known as Rhodesia,
you will hear all sorts of yammering and analysis and whining but
nothing can stop Rhodesia from becoming Zimbabwe once all the
Rhodesians leave. It's a done deal.

There's no legislation. There's no emergency action committee. There's
no orchestrated government reform program. There's no mission
statement. There's no declaration of goals or judicial decision. Once
you change the genetic composition of a country, that country will
come to reflect it's demographics, not the other way around.
I went to high school in Chicago. Trust me, thirty years ago it didn't
look like the background of that news report. That was back when
Chicago schools were the best in the country and had some of the
highest scholastic scores in the nation. Back then, next to nobody
dropped out, ever.

You can't keep the street lights working with only half a nation of
high school graduates. You can't find the manpower to keep the ATM
machines running, to keep the power plant maintained at the dam, to
keep the nuclear reactor running. You can't have good medical care
with no good doctors. You can't have bridges that don't collapse with
no engineers.

America is just like Rhodesia during desegregation. All those
Rhodesians who talked about the coming era of rainbow folk dancing and
singing hand-in-hand with their African friends playing little
ukeleles, where are they now? The wind howls. Tumbleweeds blow past.
Two rabid wild dogs fight over a human ribcage in the streets where
the electricity went off a decade ago and has never come back on.
Where are all those Rhodesians looking forward to an era of peace and
harmony now? Where are they? Answer me. Raped and left for dead.
They're all wormfood now. Their farms burned to the ground, their
children strangled, their wives gangraped and forced to run naked
screaming with burning tire necklaces.

Fools. Dust in the wind. Shot in the back of the head and left for the
buzzards in some ditch on the veldt long ago.

It doesn't matter if I'm the only human being out of six billion on
the planet who knows this. Irregardless of the forcible consensus,
this is the way it will come to pass. I will be demonstrated right and
they will turn out to have been catastrophically wrong. Wishing
otherwise never makes anything so.

In another ten years, Amerikwa will be utterly unrecognizable. I
predict that the first thing that will hit you no matter where you get
off a plane in that country will be the smell. Watch and see."

DonnaGiorno

>
>Jews don't control Australia, it's the multinational corporations big banks
>and finance firms.
>You are really way out of touch with what's going on in the world today.

The Rothschild's are the biggest bankers.

Here is a quote from a very pro-Jewish book that was first
published in 1925. The book is "Stranger than Fiction" by Lewis
Browne.

"The Jews had become the money lenders of Europe for quite
evident reasons. The Church sternly forbade all Christians to engage
in the pursuit...
"So the Jews became the money lenders of Europe. They developed
a great shrewdness and cunning in the one and only field of
opportunity left open to them. And with their shrewdness and cunning
they developed a certain cruelty and greed. That was natural. The
world was cruel to them, so when the chance was theirs, they were
cruel in return..."

>Yep! "National socialism" is faux socialism, socialism by name only.

Here is excerpt from his memoirs General Leon Degrelle, former
leader of the Belgian contingent of the Waffen-SS:

"One of the first labor reforms to benefit the German workers
was the establishment of annual paid vacation. The Socialist French
Popular Front, in 1936, would make a show of having invented the
concept of paid vacation, and stingily at that, only one week per
year. But Adolf Hitler originated the idea, and two or three times as
generously, from the first month of his coming to power in 1933.

Every factory employee from then on would have the legal right
to a paid vacation. Until then, in Germany paid holidays where they
applied at all did not exceed four or five days, and nearly half the
younger workers had no leave entitlement at all. Hitler, on the other
hand, favored the younger workers. Vacations were not handed out
blindly, and the youngest workers were granted time off more
generously. It was a humane action; a young person has more need of
rest and fresh air for the development of his strength and vigor just
coming into maturity. Basic vacation time was twelve
days, and then from age 25 on it went up to 18 days. After ten years
with the company, workers got 21 days, three times what the French
socialists would grant the workers of their country in 1936.

These figures may have been surpassed in the more than half a
century since then, but in 1933 they far exceeded European norms. As
for overtime hours, they no longer were paid, as they were everywhere
else in Europe at that time, at just the regular hourly rate. The
work day itself had been reduced to a tolerable norm of eight hours,
since the forty-hour week as well, in Europe, was first initiated by
Hitler. And beyond that legal limit, each additional hour had to be
paid at a considerably increased rate...

Dismissal of an employee was no longer left as before the
sole discretion of the employer. In that era, workers' rights to job
security were non-existent. Hitler saw to it that those rights were
strictly spelled out. The employer had to announce any dismissal four
weeks in advance. The employee then had a period of up to two months
in which to lodge a protest. The dismissal could also be annulled by
the Honor of Work Tribunal. What was the Honor of Work Tribunal? Also
called the Tribunal of Social Honor, it was the third of the three
great elements or layers of protection and defense that were to the
benefit of every German worker. The first was the Council
of Trust. The second was the Labor Commission.

The Council of Trust was charged with attending to the
establishment and the development of a real community spirit between
management and labor. In any business enterprise, the Reich law
stated, the employer and head of the enterprise, the employees and
workers, personnel of the enterprise, shall work jointly towards the
goal of the enterprise and the common good of
the nation...

Thus from 1933 on, the German worker had a system of justice
at his disposal that was created especially for him and would
adjudicate all grave infractions of the social duties based on the
idea of the Aryan enterprise community. Examples of these violations
of social honor are cases where the employer, abusing his power,
displayed ill will towards his staff or impugned the honor of his
subordinates, cases where staff members threatened work harmony by
spiteful agitation; the publication by members of the Council of
confidential information regarding the enterprise which they
became cognizant of in the course of discharging their duties.
Thirteen Tribunes of Social Honor were established, corresponding
with the thirteen commissions...

From then on the worker knew that exploitation of his physical
strength in bad faith or offending his honor would no longer be
allowed. He had to fulfill certain obligations to the community, but
they were obligations that applied to all members of the enterprise,
from the chief executive down to the messenger boy. Germany's workers
at last had clearly established social rights that were arbitrated by
a Labor Commission and enforced by a Tribunal of Honor. Although
effected in an atmosphere of justice and moderation, it was a
revolution.

This was only the end of 1933, and already the first effects
could be felt. The factories and shops large and small were reformed
or transformed in conformity with the strictest standards of
cleanliness and hygiene; the interior areas, so often dilapidated,
opened to light; playing fields constructed; rest areas made
available where one could converse at one's ease and relax during
rest periods; employee cafeterias; proper dressing rooms.

With time, that is to say in three years, those achievements
would take on dimensions never before imagined; more than 2,000
factories refitted and beautified; 23,000 work premises modernized;
800 buildings designed exclusively for meetings; 1,200 playing
fields;
13,000 sanitary facilities with running water; 17,000 cafeterias.
Eight hundred departmental inspectors and 17,300 local inspectors
would foster and closely and continuously supervise these renovations
and installations.

The large industrial establishments moreover had been given
the obligation of preparing areas not only suitable for sports
activities of all kinds, but provided with swimming pools as well.
Germany had come a long way from the sinks for washing one's face and
the dead tired workers, grown old before their time, crammed into
squalid courtyards during work breaks.

In order to ensure the natural development of the working
class, physical education courses were instituted for the younger
workers; 8,000 such were organized. Technical training would be
equally emphasized, with the creation of hundreds of work schools,
technical courses and examinations of professional competence, and
competitive examinations for the best workers for which large prizes
were awarded.

To rejuvenate young and old alike, Hitler ordered that a
gigantic vacation organization for workers be set up. Hundreds of
thousands of workers would be able every summer to relax on the
sea. Magnificent cruise ships would be built. Special trains would
carry vacationers to the mountains and to the seashore. The
locomotives that hauled the innumerable worker-tourists in
just a few years of travel in Germany would log a distance equivalent
to fifty-four times around the world!

The cost of these popular excursions was nearly insignificant,
thanks to greatly reduced rates authorized by the Reichsbank.

Didn't these reforms lack something? Were some of them flawed
by errors and blunders? It is possible. But what did a blunder amount
to alongside the immense gains?

That this transformation of the working class smacked of
authoritarianism? That's exactly right. But the German people were
sick and tired of socialism and anarchy. To feel commanded didn't
bother them a bit. In fact, people have always liked having a strong
man guide them. One thing for certain is that the turn of mind of the
working class, which was still almost two-thirds non-Nazi in 1933,
had completely changed.

The Belgian author Marcel Laloire would note: "When you make
your way through the cities of Germany and go into the working-class
districts, go through the factories, the construction yards, you are
astonished to find so many workers on the job sporting the Hitler
insignia, to see so many flags with the Swastika, black on a bright
red background, in the most populous districts." The Labor Front that
Hitler imposed on all of the workers and employers of the Reich was
for the most part received with favor.

And already the steel spades of the sturdy young lads of the
National Labor Service could be seen gleaming along the highways. The
National Labor Service had been created by Hitler out of thin air to
bring together for a few months in absolute equality, and in the same
uniform, both the sons of millionaires and the sons of the poorest
families. All had to perform the same work and were subject to the
same discipline, even the same pleasures and the same physical and
moral development. On the same construction sites and in the same
living quarters, they had become conscious of their commonality, had
come to understand one another, and had swept away their
old prejudices of class and caste. After this hitch in the National
Labor Service they all began to live as comrades, the workers knowing
that the rich man's son was not a monster, and the young lad from the
wealthy family knowing that the worker's son had honor just
like any other young fellow who had been more generously
favored by birth. Social hatred was disappearing, and a socially
united people was being born.

Hitler could already go into factories, something no man of the
so-called Right before him would have risked doing, and hold forth to
the mob of workers, tens of thousands of them at a time, as in the
Siemens works. In contrast to the von Papens and other country
gentlemen, he might tell them, "In my youth I was a worker like you.
And in my heart of hearts, I have remained what I was then." In the
course of his twelve years in power, no incident ever occurred at any
factory Adolf Hitler ever visited. When Hitler was among the people,
he was at home, and he was received like the member of
the family who had been most successful."

>In fact it is not socialism at all, it is FASCISM!

Here is a quote from Mein Kampf:

"The fight which Fascist Italy waged against Jewry's three
principal weapons, the profound reasons for which may not have been
consciously understood (though I do not believe this myself) furnishes
the best proof that the poison fangs of that Power which transcends
all State boundaries are being drawn, even though in an indirect way.
The prohibition of Freemasonry and secret societies, the suppression
of the supranational Press and the definite abolition of Marxism,
together with the steadily increasing consolidation of the Fascist
concept of the State--all this will enable the Italian Government, in
the course of some years, to advance more and more the interests of
the Italian people without paying any attention to the hissing of the
Jewish world-hydra.
"The English situation is not so favorable. In that country
which has 'the freest democracy' the Jew dictates his will, almost
unrestrained but indirectly, through his influence on public opinion."

>Turkey and Lebanon and United Arab Emirates.
>"
>Lebanon was the only Arab country to show the film, and it released a
>censored format.

censored format

>The film was also released in Turkey.[50]

The most western of Arab governments

>The film was
>officially banned from screenings in the United Arab Emirates; however,
>the DVD of the film was permitted to be rented from stores such as
>Blockbuster Video.[51][52]

officially banned

>> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/muslims/portraits/turkey.html
>>
>> Under Ataturk, Friday ceased to be a public holiday, and mosques
>> emptied. Sharia law was replaced by Western legal codes. Islamic
>> scholars were forced under state control. Arabic script was replaced
>> by the Latin alphabet. European dress was required for both men and
>> women.
>>
>> By the 1970s, Turkey had become the most Westernized of Muslim
>> countries and an active member of NATO. But at the same time, rapid
>> urbanization was changing Turkey's cities, and a free market economy
>> had increased inequality. Voters were frustrated at what they saw as
>> corruption within the political system. Many Muslims began to question
>> Ataturk's belief that Islam should be removed from politics.
>> Pro-Islamic politicians promised to rectify a split that they saw as
>> artificial.
>>
>> By 1996, a Turkish Islamic party had gained enough popularity to win
>> over 20 percent of the national vote and came to power in a coalition
>> government. In response, secular officials clamped down on Islam's
>> most visible symbols, among them the head scarf.
>>
>Yep that's true, Ataturk separated church and state and modernised Turkey,
>what's your point?

"Modernised" as in having movies like Brokeback Mountain. Here is more
modernism:

GAY MILITANT INTENT: OUR KIDS

From Concerned Women From America
by Beverly LaHaye

Dear Concerned American,
What I am about to tell you in this letter is so outrageous you may
find it hard to believe. I was astounded myself. I could not believe
that our nation had fallen so far. But the reports here are true. I
have warned many times that our children are under attack. Now I'm
writing to sound the alarm that the situation is even worse than I
thought. I'll tell you more details in a moment, but here's just a
sample of what I've discovered:
Cross-dressing promoted to grade-school children Graphic instruction
in "gay" sex taught to teenage boys and girls Armed guards posted to
keep parents out of high school assemblies led by radical homosexual
activists A book - published by a taxpayer-funded university - that
endorses sex between children and adults!

I've warned about this for many years. Now the evidence is beyond
dispute: there is an evil scheme aimed at destroying our children. The
attack comes on many fronts. It aims to expose children to sex at
earlier and earlier ages... to rob them of their innocence and open
them up to immoral and unhealthy practices... to set them up to accept
messages of
"safe sex" and homosexuality... to usher them into becoming advocates
for - and ultimately participants in - sexual promiscuity, sodomy,
bisexuality, and transgenderism.
These reports confirm my worst fears about this scheme. The time is
short! Radical homosexual activists have long said, "Whoever controls
the schools, controls the future." If they can convince the next
generation that homosexuality is "just another lifestyle," there will
be no stopping them. Even more chilling: If they can lure a whole
generation of young people to explore "alternative" sexual behavior...
to discover their "gay side"...
they will have a whole new generation of young, willing sex partners.
Their first step is to promote gender confusion. Nothing I have ever
seen promises to confuse kids more than a lesson guide obtained and
given to me by one of the researchers here at CWA.
GRADE SCHOOL LESSON PROMOTES CROSS-DRESSING The Gay, Lesbian, and
Straight Education Network, also known as "GLSEN, is pushing a
grade-school curriculum book that promotes cross-dressing. This book
was created by a homosexual parents group at the Buena Vista
Elementary School in San Francisco. It includes a lesson based on a
children's book titled "Jesse's Dream Skirt."
As incredible as it sounds, this is real! The story is about a young
boy named Jesse who likes trying on his mother's dresses, and dreams
of a skirt "that whirled, twirled, flowed and glowed, and felt soft
inside." Jesse's mom helps him make a skirt, and he wears it to
daycare, where his classmates make fun of him. The daycare teacher,
Bruce, gathers the
children together and says, "Jesse loves his skirt. Why are some of
you making fun of him?" A girl says, "Well, I wear pants. Why can't
Jesse wear a skirt?"
A boy, Mike, says that one day his mother let him dress up in her old
dresses and hats. "It was a lot of fun," he said, until his father
came in and yelled at him, saying, "Take off that dress, I don't want
my son to be a sissy!" Mike told his daycare classmates, "I don't
know, - I still don't see what was wrong with it." The children and
their teacher discuss the issue and most of the children end up liking
Jesse's skirt. Some even start making dresses themselves. The book
ends with Jesse twirling around in his "dream skirt," with his
boy-style underwear showing. The companion lesson plan says the "key
message" of "Jesse's Dream Skirt" is: "Respect means keeping our minds
open. Having open minds means giving people freedom to be who they
want to be." I don't know what's worse: encouraging boys to wear
dresses, or the negative portrayal of Mike's father. Children who
study "Jesse's Dream Skirt" are getting the message that their
parents' view of morality cannot be trusted. Lest you think this sort
of insanity is restricted to California, take a loot at this next
report, straight from the Midwest. Armed Security Guard Ejects Mother
of Student from School Assembly on Homosexuality
This really made me angry when I heard about it! The incident took
place in St. Louis, Missouri last year just after school had started
for fall. Debra Loveless, whose daughter attends Metro High School,
heard that GLESEN was conducting a school-sponsored assembly. Loveless
had told school officials that she considered the event inappropriate.
When she tried to view it for herself, she was escorted out of the
assembly by an armed security guard. (Just for wanting to view it!)
Can you believe the arrogance of those school administrators! We may
never know all of what those dear young people were exposed to during
that assembly. But if GLSEN's past performance is any indication, the
material was corrupting an destructive. GLESEN has produced some of
the most foul "educational" material in the dishonorable history of
sex education. Two years ago, CWA uncovered a pornographic teaching
session conducted in Massachusetts by GLSEN. During that workshop,
homosexual instructors indoctrinated children as young
as 14 years old. The children heard detailed descriptions of
perverted sex acts, including the dangerous practice known in
homosexual slang as "fisting." After it was exposed, that session
sparked outrage across the nation. It was such a scandal that it
became known as "Fistgate." GLSEN leaders responded by becoming much
more secretive. Apparently this has led them to keep parents out of
their workshops like the one in St. Louis.
So it has come to this. Our tax dollars foot the bill for homosexual
propaganda to poison our children's minds and defile their hearts.
And when parents want to find out what's going on, they get thrown out
of public schools by armed guards! It's time for parents and
grandparents to stand up and fight to protect our children. We can't
think that just because it hasn't happened in our school yet that it
never will! The radical homosexual activists won't stop with just the
California schools. They won't stop with just the big city
schools. They won't stop until they have reached every school in the
nation.
DANGEROUS NEW BOOK PROVIDES ACADEMIC "COVER" FOR PEDOPHILES AND CHILD
MOLESTERS
The University of Minnesota Press has just published Judith Levine's
Harmful to Minors: The Perils of Protecting Children from Sex. This
book includes such outrageous statements as, "Sex is not harmful to
children... There are many ways even the smallesst children can
partake of it."

On another page, the author gushes over a "lush and mysterious" photo
of a "naked 3- or 4-year-old." Quoting a variety of pedophiles,
Levine says children are not necessarily harmed by sex with adults.
She also advocates that America adopt a law like Holland's that
legalizes sex between adults and children as young as 12! It's
unbelievable, but this book is defended by the liberal media elite.
I'm shocked and heartbroken. But we should not be surprised.
America's standards of sexual morality have been belittled as
"taboos," and been worn down step by step. Today, almost nothing is
off limits. Sex between adults and children is just the next barrier
to be torn down. How long will it take these radical activists to
achieve their next evil objective? Our grade-school children are
already being taught that cross-dressing is just wonderful
self-expression. Graphic details of perverted sex practices are
already being taught to high school children, and parents are being
locked out of assemblies taught by radical homosexual activists. We
must - and we can - stop this. NOW! I grieve for our children and
grandchildren. And I fear for our nation if we do not stand up to
this assault of immorality and defeat it...

I've learned that GLSEN now boasts a budget of 3.5 million and a
membership of more than 1,200 homosexual-activist educators. Their
mission is to promote homosexuality and gender confusion in the
schools under any guise that works.

[Topaz]

"President Bush's Statements On Iraq's Weapons Of Mass Destruction

Bush's statements, in chronological order, were:

"Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were
used for the production of biological weapons."

-United Nations Address, Sept. 12, 2002

"Iraq has stockpiled biological and chemical weapons, and is
rebuilding the facilities used to make more of those weapons."

"We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently
authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very
weapons the dictator tells us he does not have."

-Radio Address, Oct. 5, 2002

"The Iraqi regime... possesses and produces chemical and
biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons."

"We know that the regime has produced thousands of tons of
chemical agents, including mustard gas, sarin nerve gas, VX nerve
gas."

"We've also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a
growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be
used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas.
We're concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVS for
missions targeting the United States."

"The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear
weapons program. Saddam Hussein has held numerous meetings with Iraqi
nuclear scientists, a group he calls his "nuclear mujahideen" - his
nuclear holy warriors. Satellite photographs reveal that Iraq is
rebuilding facilities at sites that have been part of its nuclear
program in the past. Iraq has attempted to purchase high-strength
aluminum tubes and other equipment
needed for gas centrifuges, which are used to enrich uranium for
nuclear weapons."

-Cincinnati, Ohio Speech, Oct. 7, 2002

"Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the
materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX
nerve agent."

-State of the Union Address, Jan. 28, 2003

"Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no
doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of
the most lethal weapons ever devised."

-Address to the Nation, March 17, 2003"

Steve

[Abominable Liar Party]

On 11/01/2015 8:28 PM, Fuck_Israel wrote:
> Abominable Liar wrote:
>> On 11/01/2015 4:41 PM, Fuck_Israel wrote:

...

>>>>
>>>> Listening to these two is like reading the Koran or Mein Kampf. I'd
>>>> rather watch flies mate!
>>>>
>>>
>>> You don't have to prove to us you're incapable of understanding
>>> simple concepts.
>>
>> Like the 5 pillars?
>> "There is only one prophet and if you mock him, you will be shot".
>>
>> Yes, we get it.
>> https://www.google.com.au/search?q=behead+those+who+insult+islam&tbm=isch
>>
>> My favourite is this one:
>> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6xBSYzCYAEDB7Z.jpg
>>
>
> Yes, it's our FREE SPEECH, let's antagonise the Muslims until one of the
> loonier ones arms themselves and kills some people, very smart move!
>
> On the other hand "FREE SPEECH" doesn't cover this
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2717282/Sydney-Morning-Herald-columnist-Mike-Carlton-resigns-forced-apologise-abusive-tweets-backlash-anti-Semitic-cartoon-escalates.html

WE DON'T GO AROUND FUCKING SHOOTING PEOPLE BECAUSE WE DISAGREE WITH THEM
YOU STUPID CUNT.

[Crazy Horse]

Abominable Foster wrote:
>
> WE DON'T GO AROUND FUCKING SHOOTING PEOPLE BECAUSE WE DISAGREE WITH THEM
> YOU STUPID CUNT.

In that case, care to explain this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence

[Abominable Liar Party]

What has that got to do with anything, you congenital moron?

[Crazy Horse]

Abominable Foster waffled:

> Crazy Horse wrote:
> > Abominable Foster wrote:
> >>
> >> WE DON'T GO AROUND FUCKING SHOOTING PEOPLE BECAUSE WE DISAGREE WITH THEM
> >> YOU STUPID CUNT.
> >
> > In that case, care to explain this:
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence
>
> What has that got to do with anything, you congenital moron?

Pretty self-evident I would have thought.

Christian terrorists shooting people because they disagreed with them.