Wikipedia leaks

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WIKIPEDIA LEAKS

THERE ARE LIES, DAMNED LIES, STATISTICS, AND THEN THERE'S WIKIPEDIA

Sites like wikipediareview (as well as Wikipedia talkpages) are full of detailed criticisms of prominent wikipedians like Slim Virgin. However, wikpedians who edit in less mainstream areas are not as often criticized. In this article, some criticism in India-related articles is detailed. Bias occurs everywhere in wikipedia, but to keep the draft concise, it is limited to this topic. (If the draft refers often to the edits of just a few editors, it is not because they are the most notable or because admins are more important, they are just by far the most "productive" editors on wikipedia.)

BIAS

First it is very obvious that man wikipedians, often also the admins, are not unbiased editors as you would maybe expect from an encyclopedia. Here are some examples of bias against Indians:

"Why are you giving so importance to a Third World Contry person like Talageri? These religious beggers and low class people don't deserve this much attention." ("User:Truthlover")

"what's happening? Are summer holidays over at American high schools, and all the ABCD trolls flocking back to give Wikipedia grief? (ABCD is a slur, ABCD=American Born Confused Desi)" ("User:Dbachmann")

"your physical location is [[American-Born Confused Desi|not so relevant]]" (but apparently your race is, "Dbachmann", when commenting on a Hindu editor)

"You fucking little piece of shit stop fucking around with my page, you fucking dirty pagan! I know you're a Hindu Muppet!" ("User:Street Scholar")

"the only people that care about [ [ Indian mathematics ] ] are Indians with a collective inferiority complex... Our problem is not with real kooks so much as with second-generation expatriate youths who are shedding their testosterone properly intended for tribal warfare in front of the screen." ("Dbachmann")

"imdiversity.com is at least not a Hindu forum, but it seems still to be a lobby organization you'd expect to automatically take the side of an ethnic minority, never mind if their cause makes sense or not." ("Dbachmann")

"The articles [[Hindu-Arabic numeral system]], [[Arabic numerals]] and [[Indian numerals]] have been kept separate in order to appease the angry young Hindu editors." ("Dbachmann")

"There is a group on wikipedia. A group of infidels(...) The infidel nation of India will be the start of the great Jihad. The unbelievers must be enlightened. All who call themselves Muslims here (...) must wage this Jihad on their keyboards, and then on their homes, and their villages. But the soldiers of Allah must verily take the holy war to the homes of the infidel." ("Nishan")

One administrator ("Dbachmann") was heavily criticized for saying this on wikipedia:

"These are not simply trolls in the narrow sense, they do not pretend to be clueless brutes, it is difficult to believe, but I think they are fully serious. It is pointless to waste time with them, because even if you get them to listen to sense, there are millions of more clueless people where they came from, and especially in India, every sh*thole is getting internet access. I feel for these people, because they are in an actual ethnic conflict, and must feel actual hate, but I don't feel responsible for babysitting them, Wikipedia is not for them."

This is a comparatively mild version of wikipedia bias, but it has engendered a lot of controversy. The Indians criticized the admin because he refused to apologize for his comment even after being critcized heavily for it. The same user was also criticized for similar remarks and for his tendency to "use ethnic, national and religious attributes of editors when making negative criticisms". As an example he routinely refers to Hindu editors as Hindutva-trolls, -zeaolots, -kooks, -meatpuppets, -propagandists, -sockuppets, -sock army, -crowd and Hindutva editors from hell.

Many wikipedians have criticized him for this, arguing that:

* "Dbachmann's use of ethnic, national and religious attributes of editors when making negative criticisms. It is unnecessary to mention the nationality, culture or religion of editors when discussing edits. To gratuitously mention such attributes of editors in the course of criticizing edits has all the appearances of being an insult to those of the mentioned nationality, culture or religion -- it has the appearance of an insinuation that faults an editor may have are somehow related to that editor's nationality, culture or religion. Whether an insult was intended or not, civility dictates avoiding mentioning such attributes."

* "When administrators and major editors give the impression that it is OK to refer to the ethnicity of of editors when making negative comments, the result is that ordinary editors feel entitled to do the same."

* "I have stated that I find dab's reference to national, religious and ethnic attributes of editors objectionable. You ask if I can imagine how hurtful it may be to be accused of one error, not once, but repeatedly. Of course I can. Although those defending dab's behavior have stated that his comment was an "error", as far as I am aware, he has never stated that his comment was an "error". Further, if dab had wished to avoid having his comment brought up repeatedly, the easiest course of action he could have taken, which would have taken all of maybe two lines, would have been to apologize for any unintended offense that he may have caused. I am sure that would have greatly reduced the occurances where his comments were brought up to him. I warned him long ago that he had harmed his relationship with Indians, and that an apology would be a wise course. However, instead of heading this advice, he attacked the messenger, as you seem to be inclined to do."

(some text removed, a fuller version is at alt.politics.india.progressive)

"BIOGRAPHIES OF LIVING PERSONS" ARTICLES

Wikipedia claims that "biographies of living persons" should be free from any bias. However, those of many Hindus are not the shining examples of a neutral enclopaedic article. One of wikipedia's most blatant examples of petty ad hominem attacks on a "biography of a living person" might be admin Dbachmann's attack on Hindu author Kak. This case also clearly shows the bigotry on wikipedia. Dbachmann laughs at Kak's poetry, deletes articles on his books, calls him all kind of names and claims that Kak is taboo and kooky because he is a physicist writing about Indology. But the same admin promotes the indological work of astrophysicist Kochar (because of course the latter happens to be an ally of the like-minded Witzel). So if you agree with Dbachmann's point of view, then it is okay to be a physicist and still write on Hinduism. But if you don't agree with Dbachmann's point of view, then it is kooky and taboo. Dbachmann also claims (without any credible proof) that the wikipedia article on Kak and the Amazon reviews on his books were written by Kak himself. But the fact that anti-Hindus like Steve Farmer are spamming links and references to their own papers in wikipedia articles is not criticized. Nor is it a problem if the like-minded Prof. Witzel himself is removing criticism against his political campaigns from the California textbook controversy article. (Incidentally, according to a wikipedia edit, Witzel is known to have an email correspondence with administrator Dbachmann, who also happens to protect the Witzel page on wikipedia and insert Witzel's point of view (including the fringe ones, like his Indus-Script-is-not-a-Script-theory) into articles.)

CENSORSHIP

Wikipedia is also a place where inconvenient truths are quickly removed. If once a serious study on censorship on wikipedia is undertaken it will almost surely also examine the case of the committed deletionist Hornplease. While many others are expert in censoring articles, not many do it with so many words and excuses as Hornplease. As one wikipedian said to him: "What you are in fact doing as visible to me is that you are systematically censoring and removing mention from wikipedia of atrocities committed against Hindus by Muslims and providing all bogus reasons for doing so."

If such wikipedia editors cannot censor an article (by blanking whole sections or deleting the entire article), they will start a defamation campaign. Not only individual authors (any Hindu who is too "pro-Hindu" for them), but whole book publishing firms are the victim of such defamations. Thus, an admin ("Dbachmann") claims that the books from a Hindu publishing house ("Voice of India") are the product of their "criminal energy" (and of course also accuses them of "publishing evil propaganda, revisionism and fringe works"). Dbachmann even adds the name of the owner of the website to the wikipedia article (which of course is not wikipedia practice, but as so often some admins are more equal than others).

Also telling is when the admin Old Mishehu deletes an article about Hindu slaves in medieval India with the comment that it appears to be "Hindutva fancruft".

One of the Islamist editors who specialized in the removal and censorship of human rights violations, persecutions and terrorist attacks against Hindus, Christians, Buddhists and other minorities in Pakistan and India was the editor "Anonymous editor". Despite (or rather because of this) he was elected as Wikipedia administrator. Soon afterwards, he suddnely disappeard from wikipedia just at the same time when the Canadian police arrested many Islamists in his Canadian home town due to a planned terrorist attack on the Canadian parliament.

CONCLUSION

There is on wikipedia no shortage of bullies and censorship cops that will work overtime to manipulate wikipedia. Wikipedia, as has often been stated, is as a rule unreliable in all areas that are in any sense political. As the proverb says, "There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and then there's Wikipedia." In this draft mostly anti-India bias are detailed. I have limited myself to this topic only to keep it short, but all politically charged areas in wikipedia suffer the same problems, especially on non-mainstream subjects. Of course there are also Indian and Hindu editors with an agenda, but it is easy to see that they not do have the same influence as their counterpart, and are quite clearly constantly bullied by the "anti-Hindu" editors.

Wikipedia is clearly unreliable in both theory and practice. The opportunities for misinformation are too numerous to mention. The power the higher echelons have for pushing their own agendas, and for simply behaving like bullies, is enormous. On subjects far removed from the political, wikipedia can be useful. The problem is that in anything to do with subjects of great debate and moment, there are attempts to manipulate. There are those who try, but consistently fail to present facts without them being twisted or obscured by those who don't like them. Those wishing to make a beneficial difference are generally beaten black and blue by the system, and whoever wants to have a go at them.

I personally believe that history will be more interested in the talk pages and edit logs than the content itself. What makes Wikipedia interesting for researchers are not the articles themselves (no student or scholar would ever rely on or quote from wikipedia), but the talkpages and the article histories. Wikipedia is not about fact at all. Its about truth. Its fairly easy to see the truth when you read between the lines and the diffs. And with a few printscreens, its easy enough to see the sort of stuff that needs to be ushered out of view. That's all about truth (and hiding it) as far as I can tell.

If you are into truth, then all that needs to be done is collect a few diffs. One could say they are only human. Which side of human? You have to work the truth out for yourself. Most of the time its really obvious. Wikipedia in my mind (and for my purposes) seems to be just a method of exposing the truth about power hungry individuals who want to paint the world in their own particular variety of sh*t. Those who are good at climbing the ladder, get to drop more influential lumps on any collection of info that is in the splatter path.

Nearly every article has a band of "campers" hanging around it, who are much more interested in maintaining their own version of the truth via the preferential enforcement of technicalities in Wikipedia's rules, than they are in the truth content of said articles. Wikipedia was a good idea, but it has been seriously corrupted by people like these, and the foundation has not done anything to address the problem. On the contrary, it has, in some cases, supported people who have worked hard to keep certain articles inaccurate.

Most pages of any significance have a group of people that have appointed themselves overseers, and resist new additions on general principle. Often, they have a collective ideology slant and have chased off everyone who disagrees in any significant way. In this state, the odd person coming along and trying to modify the article against the views of the established mass is shouted down, accused of going against consensus, and chased off.

The issue there in my experience is the same problem we have with US politics - too many people who care far too much about their own interpretation of the notability policy are in positions of influence. It doesn't matter if we're right. What matters to them is we don't agree with them. So they'll stomp on us and shit on us and delete entries anyway, out of spite or some twisted logic that what was originally founded as a public resource is somehow divinely theirs. The wikipedia editors that push this crap are the internet equivalent of The Religious Right in American politics, and are about as open to reason.

***

If you cannot see the truth, my brother in Islam, then you need to. The unbelievers are lying, as they usually do. There is a group on wikipedia. A group of infidels who sully the name of al-Islam and the noble men who fight and die in the name of Allah and the Prophet (pbuh).But the beautiful words of Allah himself tell us to be the instruments of terror when the infidel tries to fight us, so where is the wrong in that? Yet, the true shaheeds, the martyrs who fight and die for al-Islam, for pakistan, are misrepresented, sullied, and are the victims of Zionist-Hindu lies. This must change now.
Look at the edits of many editors, Jews and Hindus, and you will see them removing all the truth and replacing it with Zionist lies. The Hindu kafir has become the instrument of the evil Zionist Jew, and they are our enemy.
They fear us. They fear Pakistan, and they fear the greatest army of the house of Islam, and they fear the Islamic bomb. They fear the great Jihad that we stand ready to unleash upon the world. We will bring peace to the world through Jihad. We will wipe out all falsehoods. We will bring Islam to al-Harb again. The infidel nation of India will be the start of the great Jihad. The unbelievers must be enlightened. All who call themselves Muslims here, all who call themselves sons of Pakistan, must wage this Jihad on their keyboards, and then on their homes, and their villages. But the soldiers of Allah must verily take the holy war to the homes of the infidel. That is the goal of all the proud here on this blessed place where we have met.
Allah keep you all, my brothers.
http://www.pakhub.info/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=23
Post Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 10:42 pm Nishan-e-Haider Joined: 25 Dec 2006

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Darkness_Shines
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Decline_of_Hinduism_in_Pakistan (nominates the article for deletion)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Religious_violence_in_India&diff=prev&oldid=556904446
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Religious_violence_in_India&diff=prev&oldid=556904640
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Religious_violence_in_India&diff=prev&oldid=556904795
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:EdJohnston&diff=557006404&oldid=557001549
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:2002_Gujarat_violence&diff=556485818&oldid=556482846
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Anti-Muslim_pogroms_in_India
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Muslim_violence_in_India (propaganda article, heavily biased)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Rape_during_the_Bangladesh_Liberation_War/archive2
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Anti-Muslim_violence_in_India
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashmir_conflict
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Chittagong_Hill_Tracts_conflict
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Anti-Muslim_pogroms_in_India
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Muslim_pogroms_in_India (Creates completely onesided, heavily biased article that claims that only Muslims are victims.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Gujarat_violence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godhra_train_burning
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_Bangladesh_Liberation_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Muslim_violence_in_India
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Narendra_Modi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Shiv_Sena
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Noakhali_riots&diff=prev&oldid=573194591
Yes there were some uncited text. You could have marked them as citation needed. Instead you chose to remove them unilaterally. In the process you have removed a some texts which had citations. Might I ask, why?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Violence_against_Muslims
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Anti-Muslim_violence_in_India
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification_and_Amendment&oldid=504800033#Statement_by_Magog_the_Ogre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Rashtriya_Swayamsevak_Sangh
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_India
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_and_state_sponsored_terrorism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990_Bangladesh_anti-Hindu_violence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Bangladesh_violence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombay_Riots
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Assam_violence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Minorities_in_Pakistan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Indo-Pakistani_War_of_1971
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Noakhali_riots (wants to move Noakhali genocide to Noakhali riots, the same user supports renaming the Gujarat riots article to Gujarat genocide or even to Gujarat Anti-Muslim riots)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Godhra_train_burning&diff=559081641&oldid=559079171
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Anti-Muslim_pogroms_in_India
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring&oldid=559108116#User:Darkness_Shines_reported_by_User:Mrt3366_.28Result:_.29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive801#Why_is_this_guy_getting_unblocked_every_time_he_is_blocked_for_a_long_period_of_time.3F
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mrt3366&diff=prev&oldid=563842412
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=561939010
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=prev&oldid=561477184
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=560399071
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Anti-Muslim_pogroms_in_India
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mrt3366/Discrimination_against_minorities_in_Pakistan
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2013_June_4&diff=prev&oldid=558304340
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minorities_in_Pakistan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kashmir_conflict
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Persecution_of_Hindus&diff=prev&oldid=592625901
Persecution by Muslim Invaders - Does all that crap really belong in this article? Invasions by foreign forces do not really fall under persecution, does it? Darkness Shines (talk) 12:11, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Persecution_of_Hindus
"‘It’s A Myth That Muslim Rulers Destroyed Thousands Of Temples’"See here and this paper from Richard M Eaton shows that all the temple destruction stuff has no place in this article, at all. Darkness Shines (talk) 20:49, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
A riot is an act of spontaneous violence, how is it persecution? The Noakhali riots were carried out after rumors of attacks on Muslims on Calcutta. I dunno if such as that falls under persecution. Darkness Shines (talk) 10:00, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Persecution_of_Hindus&diff=prev&oldid=592989017
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Persecution_of_Hindus&diff=prev&oldid=592988571
and much more...

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=Siddiqui
[ [ Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Siddiqui ] ] was conducted approximately 8 months ago; since then, Siddiqui has been blocked numerous times for edit-warring and sockpuppetry.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/India-Pakistan
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Siddiqui&diff=prev&oldid=41993012
*[ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&direction=next&oldid=99108901#Meatpuppetry_and_tag-team_edit-warring ANI report on Siddiqui's recent disruptive activities ].
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hinduism_in_Pakistan&diff=prev&oldid=34022676
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Hinduism_in_Pakistan&diff=41518553&oldid=35836983
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Muhammad_of_Ghor&diff=prev&oldid=34291506
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mughal_Empire&diff=prev&oldid=34291426 he deletes all refernces to forcible conversions inspite of historically authentic sources provided
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ala_ud_din_Khilji&diff=prev&oldid=34291306
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Third_battle_of_Panipat&diff=prev&oldid=34569310 such things did indeed happen according to neutral sources. User:Siddiqui here again edits out all refernces to forced slavery of Maratha women by writing "they married handsome Afghans".
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jamaat-e-Islami&diff=41540906&oldid=41539744 On Jammat-e-Islami User:Siddiqui deletes all refernces to JeI's alleged connections to terrorist outfits inspite of references provided.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mahmud_of_Ghazni&diff=42059552&oldid=41383349 Here User:Siddiqui deleted all mentions to historical references of Mahmud of Ghazni's same-sex relationship.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mahmud_of_Ghazni
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mahmud_of_Ghazni&diff=42145062&oldid=42144759
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Punjab_%28Pakistan%29&diff=34239376&oldid=34239295
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Punjab_%28Pakistan%29&diff=34239183&oldid=33508354
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Punjab_%28Pakistan%29&diff=34240494&oldid=34240366

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=Street Scholar
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AStreet_Scholar&diff=115131046&oldid=105331795 You fucking little piece of shit stop fucking around with my page, you fucking dirty [ [ pagan ] ]! I know you're a Hindu [ [ Muppet ] ]!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Street_Scholar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Muhammad_bin_Qasim
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Islamic_conquest_of_South_Asia
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Islamic_conquest_of_South_Asia&diff=prev&oldid=28537903
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Iconoclasm&diff=prev&oldid=28322229
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Muhammad_bin_Qasim&diff=next&oldid=30330790
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Muhammad_bin_Qasim&diff=prev&oldid=28389372 side note: Well Hindu girls seem to like my nose as seen as though I've humped a few an I am dating one now

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=Tigeroo
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=NCERT_controversy&action=history (pov pushing)
*POV pushing at articles like Decline of Buddhism in India, Muhammed bin Qasim, Mahmud of Gazhni, NCERT controversy, Jayapala.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RR&diff=prev&oldid=146492514#User:Tigeroo_reported_by_User:Arrow740_.28Result:.29
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Muhammad_bin_Qasim&diff=prev&oldid=161968610
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Decline_of_Buddhism_in_India&diff=162218544&oldid=162183804
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Blnguyen&diff=183558914&oldid=183410346
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Blnguyen&diff=prev&oldid=185074335

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/IP198
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Violence_in_Kashmir&diff=prev&oldid=161687205
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Muhammad_bin_Qasim&diff=prev&oldid=161688882

User:AmmariKhan
Talk:Aurangzeb
I have edited this article removing unbacked, preposterous claims attributed to Aurangzeb, replacing them with backed citations. There seems to be much misinformation about Aurangzeb from many Indians, who have painted him as a villian, in part as a result of the era of the hostility prior to the partition of South Asia. We should not allow such things to be common here, and I ask that everyone please make sure to be honest and just with your edits. Thank you. --AmmariKhan (talk) 17:05, 8 July 2009 (UTC)


http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=Anonymous+editor
Admin, stopped editing in the week of the 2006_Toronto_terrorism_case
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History_of_the_Kashmir_conflict&diff=47356835&oldid=47353594
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=47361678#Vandalism_and_pov_censoring_by_Anonymous_editor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_adminship/Anonymous_editor#Talk_pages
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Anonymous_editor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Anonymous_editor_2
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kashmir&diff=47542583&oldid=47355317
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History_of_the_Kashmir_conflict&diff=47542474&oldid=47356835
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lashkar-e-Toiba&diff=33429642&oldid=33429531
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lashkar-e-Toiba&diff=33140339&oldid=prev
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lashkar-e-Toiba&diff=prev&oldid=33429642
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lashkar-e-Toiba&diff=prev&oldid=33429003
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Religious_conversion&diff=prev&oldid=14489025
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Genocides_in_history&diff=42853591&oldid=42762341
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kashmir&diff=47355282&oldid=47353713
[ [ Talk:Terrorism_in_Pakistan ] ]
[ [ Talk:Terrorism_in_Kashmir ] ]
[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Terrorism_in_Kashmir/Archive_1 ]
[ [ Talk:Kargil War ] ]
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=70.50.118.95
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=67.71.63.134
http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=900
http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=12421

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==Details==
*{{wp-user|Anonymous_editor}}
Anonymous editor is a Canadian administrator. After months of very frequent editing, he suddenly stopped editing on June 4, 2006 (he returned on June 17, 2006 for two hours of editing), without saying goodbye. Some users like [[Bhadani]] continue to ask about his whereabouts from time to time on his talkpage. In the same week that he stopped editing, the media reported a large crackdown on Islamists who planned to attack the Canadian parliament [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Toronto_terrorism_case]. It is very likely that there is any direct connection between his disappearance and this event. He is still officially an administrator of Wikipedia.
== Adminship ==
His first Request for Adminship failed. He was nominated by [[Slim Virgin]], and his supporters included some admins. His second Request for Adminship succeeded, he was nominated by [[FayssalF]]. He was again supported by some admins, some of which were criticized for their support votes.<ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_11#Anonymous_Editor_RFA]</ref>
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Anonymous_editor]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Anonymous_editor_2]
== Charges of Islamism ==
This administrator was among the most controversial on Wikipedia. Some users claimed that he "is an Islamist"<ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Anonymous_editor_2]</ref>, one editor summarized his interactions with him like this: "it won't change what I have observed in the interactions I have had. The POV that I have observed is Islamist."<ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Anonymous_editor_2]</ref>
==Edits==
His edits focussed on articles about Islam, Canadian politics, Terrorism, Kashmir and Pakistan.
Some articles with controversial edits:
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Kashmir]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Pakistan]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_terrorism]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_invasion_of_India]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lashkar-e-Toiba]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kargil_War]
Some talk pages:
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kargil_War]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Terrorism_in_Pakistan]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Terrorism_in_Kashmir]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Terrorism_in_Kashmir/Archive_1]
Diffs:
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Nichalp&diff=prev&oldid=24988801] "A problem user"
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Anonymous_editor&diff=prev&oldid=24700752]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History_of_the_Kashmir_conflict&diff=47356835&oldid=47353594]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=47361678#Vandalism_and_pov_censoring_by_Anonymous_editor]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kashmir&diff=47542583&oldid=47355317]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History_of_the_Kashmir_conflict&diff=47542474&oldid=47356835]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lashkar-e-Toiba&diff=33429642&oldid=33429531]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lashkar-e-Toiba&diff=33140339&oldid=prev]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lashkar-e-Toiba&diff=prev&oldid=33429642]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lashkar-e-Toiba&diff=prev&oldid=33429003]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Religious_conversion&diff=prev&oldid=14489025]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Genocides_in_history&diff=42853591&oldid=42762341]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kashmir&diff=47355282&oldid=47353713]
===List of controversial edits from RFA===
A list of controversial edits, from his RFA: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_adminship/Anonymous_editor#Talk_pages]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Terrorism_in_Pakistan]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kargil_War]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Nichalp&diff=prev&oldid=24988801] "A problem user"
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Anonymous_editor&diff=prev&oldid=24700752]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Terrorism_in_Kashmir]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Kashmir]
*Comment: Sometimes deleted the whole statistics section because it contained information on numbers of people killed by terrorists and of numbers of Kashmiris that fled, other deletions, Edit wars, etc. Readers can judge themselves.
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Terrorism_in_Kashmir&diff=24871019&oldid=24870945] removes the whole statistics section, because he doesnt like the information in it which states how many approx were killed by terrorists and how many Kashmiris had to flee their homeland.
*There were over 11 edits by AE (including 3RR) on terrorism in kashmir where AE insisted to have an npov tag with the words "npov because of a pro-indian bias", instead of the much more neutral plain npov tag (with explanation on talk) or the more fair mention of both pov's in the npov tag.
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Terrorism_in_Kashmir&diff=26142566&oldid=26142241] Here he deletes that Pakistan was involved in the attack on Kashmir. It is however generally accepted that this was indeed the case. Should have been at least discussed on talk.
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Terrorism_in_Kashmir&diff=23611720&oldid=23574960] deletes Human Right abuses/terrorists, rm taliban/bin laden
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Terrorism_in_Kashmir&diff=17873492&oldid=17873399] I have to check this, seems like deletions
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Terrorism_in_Kashmir&diff=17837371&oldid=17837114] Writes that Buddhists have never shown desire to "join india". Quite wrong for obvious reasons.
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Terrorism_in_Kashmir&diff=prev&oldid=17837371] same as above (the Buddhists in Kashmir have never shown any desire to join India)
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Terrorism_in_Kashmir&diff=15870444&oldid=15870276] Deletions of for example statistics section and other material
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Pakistan]
*Comment: Many edit wars. I don't want to take sides and blame everything on AE, readers can judge for themselves. I think some of the discussions that AE was involved with also concerned this article. There was a proposed Request for comment, not sure if it was about this article or about other articles.
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Terrorism_in_Pakistan&limit=500&action=history] See the history for edit wars
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Terrorism_in_Pakistan&diff=24868618&oldid=24868288] deletions
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Terrorism_in_Pakistan&diff=24871525&oldid=24870400] deletes taliban
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Terrorism_in_Pakistan&diff=24834139&oldid=24832643] deletions
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Terrorism_in_Pakistan&diff=24832236&oldid=24831830] deletions
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Terrorism_in_Pakistan&diff=24831448&oldid=24831024] del
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Terrorism_in_Pakistan&diff=24828154&oldid=24827735] del
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Terrorism_in_Pakistan&diff=24827615&oldid=24827434] deletion of newspaper source
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Terrorism_in_Pakistan&diff=24800538&oldid=24784132] deletion
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Terrorism_in_Pakistan&diff=24746390&oldid=24746154] deletes reference from an important indian newspaper, explains this later by calling rediff.com a blog site! See [http://www.rediff.com] [http://in.rediff.com/headline.html] [http://in.rediff.com/news/index.html]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Terrorism_in_Pakistan&diff=24746068&oldid=24744128]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Terrorism_in_Pakistan&diff=24704210&oldid=24703978] deletes reference (rediff.com)
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Terrorism_in_Pakistan&diff=24703850&oldid=24703514] deletes reference
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State terrorism]: edit wars. Didn't look at this in great detail. Again I'm not blaming everything on AE.
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=State_terrorism&diff=24967510&oldid=24966216]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=State_terrorism&diff=24964639&oldid=24947730]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=State_terrorism&diff=24934300&oldid=24934177]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=State_terrorism&diff=24934507&oldid=24934322]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=State_terrorism&diff=24928305&oldid=24927874]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=State_terrorism&diff=24924975&oldid=24924321]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_invasion_of_India]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Islamic_invasion_of_India&diff=15402264&oldid=15402221] AE writes: "A few controversial historical records state that under his rule some of the populace was put to death while others do not state this." This edit is controversial and may be an attempt at revisionism. There are many contemporary and later histories that explicitly state the details about these Muslim rulers.
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Islamic_invasion_of_India&diff=14838805&oldid=14838519] large edits, deletes ext. links
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Islamic_invasion_of_India&diff=16473778&oldid=15834530] puts quotations about genocides under a section called "critical views". This is quite controversial.
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Islamic_invasion_of_India&diff=15834392&oldid=15834188] deletes sourced quote
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Islamic_invasion_of_India&diff=15834069&oldid=15759429] del
*Other articles
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pervez_Musharraf&diff=23846990&oldid=23821138] deletion
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Women_in_Islam&diff=24755499&oldid=24755441] this is minor but the edit summary is very wrong
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Military_of_Pakistan&diff=15782937&oldid=15782785] ??
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lashkar-e-Toiba&diff=15843308&oldid=15842783] deletions
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lashkar-e-Toiba&diff=15840324&oldid=15839301] ??
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Uniform_civil_code&diff=16158583&oldid=15450870] deletion
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Genocides_in_history&diff=25543177&oldid=25540938] Says that indian army commit more atrocities than the terrorists. This is a controversial and potentially false-claim and pov edit and should at least be sourced/discussed. (Terrrorist killed more than 30'000 people since about 1989, more than 300'000 fled).
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Genocides_in_history&diff=24748471&oldid=24728230] controversial and potentially false-claim edit with no sources
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Genocides_in_history&diff=24333552&oldid=24324567] deletes massacres on sikhs, other
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Genocides_in_history&diff=23618620&oldid=23614758] see above
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Genocides_in_history&diff=15495068&oldid=15478401] genocide is only population decrease
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kargil_War]
*Revert wars between September 25 and September 28: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kargil_War&limit=500&action=history]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kargil_War&diff=24225194&oldid=24225083 edit war/del]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kargil_War&diff=24013450&oldid=24006001 edit war/del]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kargil_War&diff=24002346&oldid=23999700 edit war/del]
*Kashmir:
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kashmir&diff=26194079&oldid=26187264 deletes reference]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kashmir&diff=26119997&oldid=26119373 ??]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kashmir&diff=26119157&oldid=26118451 could be deletion]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kashmir&diff=15534128&oldid=15533880 ??]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kashmir&diff=15530408&oldid=15529567 ??]
==Known associates==
*[[SlimVirgin]] (nominated him for Adminship)
*[[FayssalF]] (nominated him for Adminship)
*[[Jayjg]] (supported both of his RFA's and was criticized for it <ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_11#Anonymous_Editor_RFA]</ref>)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sitush
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurangzeb Whitewashes the Aurangzeb article.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christianity_in_India&diff=prev&oldid=515883935
removes references
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Girilal_Jain&diff=469587685&oldid=469586935
I am a little dubious of this source, currently used in the article. I have tagged it as such. The problem is that the writer is Koenraad Elst, who has a certain reputation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=515457438
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kashmiri_Pandit&diff=prev&oldid=511694105
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kashmiri_Muslim_tribes_from_Hindu_lineage&diff=515817661&oldid=514918366
whitewashes Kashmir Pandit persecution
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ishwar_Sharan
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Caste_system_in_India&diff=545176710&oldid=545158777
Censorship:deletes links to texts by authors he doesn't like
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caste_system_in_India
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Indian_caste_system
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kashmiri_Pandit&diff=prev&oldid=513657215
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Narendra_Modi
Together with Maunus, Aurorion and others introduces the same tired old lies about Modi and is worried that the economic progress of Gujarat could be attributed to his administration. Also puts this non-neutrally worded question on a dozen wiki boards: "Asking about whether the article on the prominent and controversial Indian Hindu nationalist politican Narendra is currently neutral."
On this and other places, Sitush claims in ultra-paranoid fashion that he is being "observed" by paramilitary extreme Hindu thugs from the RSS and BJP, and wants to call the RSS and BJP paramilitary in wikipedia articles. He must somehow confuse Islamists with Hindus, a clear case of projection.
Also, the RSS article calls RSS in the lead a paramilitary and extremist organization. I dont know if Sitush or who else wrote that false claim, but you can find it out by checking the history of the article.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=Danny Yee
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eminent_Historians:_Their_Technology%2C_Their_Line%2C_Their_Fraud&action=history
(Maybe pov at Shivaji?, deletes book reviews at Romila Thapar and claims that he is himself a book reviewer)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Garanj
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Aurangzeb&diff=113833207&oldid=113761226
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Gunawam-01
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Aurangzeb&diff=113667700&oldid=112800194
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Huaran-54
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Aurangzeb&diff=113677695&oldid=113667700

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Blueyellow9
I'm sorry but how are Amitabh Buchhan and Salman Rushdie film critics and why are their thoughts on the film so prominently displayed?.. The section on Bachhan and Rushdie needs to be removed and the "mixed reaction" section needs to be cut down dramatically. If this page were not locked, I would make these revisions myself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=ImpuMozhi
Rajput, Wants to delete the article "Rajputs and Islamic invasions"
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rajputs_and_invasions_of_India&action=history

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/TerryJ-Ho, [ [ User|Lkadvani ] ]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/86.27.81.68
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History_of_Buddhism_in_India&diff=prev&oldid=133109581

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Great_Soul
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Godhra_train_burning&diff=prev&oldid=176414679
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vishva_Hindu_Parishad&diff=177463947&oldid=177110877

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Relata_refero
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anti-Hinduism&diff=187893288&oldid=187858355
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rashtriya_Swayamsevak_Sangh&diff=187895192&oldid=187857584
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Persecution_of_Hindus&diff=prev&oldid=187663419
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Persecution_of_Hindus&diff=prev&oldid=187661894
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vinayak_Damodar_Savarkar&diff=prev&oldid=187661812
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Persecution_of_Hindus&diff=prev&oldid=187662566
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Aurangzeb&diff=prev&oldid=187653615
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hindu_Forum_of_Britain&diff=prev&oldid=187653284
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pusyamitra_Sunga&diff=prev&oldid=187651841
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Historical_revisionism_%28negationism%29/Archive_4#Deletions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Holocaust_denial/Archive_11#Fringe
Tries to censor any metion of Koenraad Elst
The worst example on WP for years was Koenraad Elst, whom all sorts of FRINGE-ists liked quoting, from Hindutva people and Ayurvedics to neo-Pagans and nationalist Flemings. I just had to remove him recently again from Denialism or somewhere.
-Relata refero (disp.) 12:07, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mission_%28Christian%29&diff=192792239&oldid=191216473
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mission_%28Christianity%29#Removal

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Aurorion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Godhra_train_burning
Strongly disagree. It was still a burning. WP is not a tabloid, it does not need sensationalist headlines. Plus, there was an official government inquiry which, even though probably overruled by other judicial authorities, declared the whole thing to be an accident. The article mentions this, but still the overall tone of the article says that the burning was due to arson by radical Islamist mobs. The current title is in my opinion NPOV, and should remain so. Aurorion (talk) 06:22, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
Comment:Says that the burning of 58 Hindu pilgrims by a Muslim mob was just an "accident".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Narendra_Modi
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anti-Christian_violence_in_India&diff=554764841&oldid=554614192

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Trikebarns
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Religious_violence_in_India&diff=556843164&oldid=556698435

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Shankaryz
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Religious_violence_in_India&diff=prev&oldid=556698435

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rak-Tai
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mission_%28Christianity%29&diff=348032368&oldid=347911709
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mission_%28Christianity%29&diff=312497052&oldid=306398646 "Cleanup of controversial and unencyclopedic material"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Asik5678
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Love_Jihad
Deletion request
a word love jihad is insulting a particular community, Jihad (arabic) means struggle(english). they are saying love jihad. read the entire article, they talking about one community. I don't know what is going on in wikipedia, lot of pages are against a single community. if you are not delete this page most of muslims they not believe in wikipedia pages. i will some proof what they said in love jihad pages.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Johnuniq
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Famine_in_India#Churchill_quote

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nmkuttiady
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Islam_in_India&diff=prev&oldid=354717843
==Muslim-Buddhist conflict==
Is it really necessary to have a subsection just because 10 years ago (out of 1200 years of coexistence), there were a few minor incidents ''possibly'' communal in nature (that too directly related to a political insurgency in the neighboring region)? Islam has been in Ladakh for 1200 years. The region has always been peaceful in terms of religious issues. What's the point in mentioning it here in an article about Islam in India? Does it meet the notability standards of wikipedia in this context (even for a passive mention in this article, let alone a subsection)?[[User:Nmkuttiady|NMKuttiady]] ([[User talk:Nmkuttiady|talk]]) 10:03, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malabar_Rebellion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/92.22.52.111
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Conversion_of_non-Muslim_places_of_worship_into_mosques&diff=561231912&oldid=561221863

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Delljvc
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hinduism_in_Pakistan&diff=559388024&oldid=559312520

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Iamgaurav_2020

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rurik_the_Varangian
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard&diff=561125431&oldid=561121571

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Faizan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Persecution_of_Biharis_in_Bangladesh
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_Bangladesh_Liberation_War

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Maunus
also 128.148.231.12 and 68.9.182.96
"the likes of Jaffrelot"...You mean academic with actual credentials? Malhotra is a pseudoscientist prpmoting Hindu versions of "creation science". He has no authority to criticize anyone at all, least of all a professor at a major university.128.148.231.12 (talk) 17:59, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Narendra_Modi
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rashtriya_Swayamsevak_Sangh&diff=549590928&oldid=543865887
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Rashtriya_Swayamsevak_Sangh
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2002_Gujarat_violence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godhra_train_burning

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Shinas (alias User:O0I1E3S5, 117.193.37.73 )
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Somnath&diff=401239884&oldid=401238374
deletes:
The following extract is from “Wonders of Things Created, and marvels of Things Existing†by Asaru-L- Bilad, a 13th century Arab [[geographer]]. It contains the description of Somnath temple and its destruction:<ref>{{cite book|last=Elliot|first= Sir Henry Miers |title=The history of India, as told by its own historians: the Muhammadan period, Volume 11|year=1952|publisher=Elibron.com|isbn=9780543947260|pages=98|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=9-yUPk_Q5VsC&pg=PA98}}</ref>
<blockquote> “Somnath: celebrated city of India, situated on the shore of the sea, and washed by its waves. Among the wonders of that place was the temple in which was placed the idol called Somnath. This idol was in the middle of the temple without anything to support it from below, or to suspend it from above. It was held in the highest honor among the Hindus, and whoever beheld it floating in the air was struck with amazement, whether he was a Musulman or an [[infidel]]. The [[Hindus]] used to go on pilgrimage to it whenever there was an eclipse of the moon, and would then assemble there to the number of more than a hundred thousand."
[[File:Tomb of Sultan Mahmud of Ghazni in 1839-40.jpg|220px|thumb|A Painting of the tomb of Sultan [[Mahmud of Ghazni]], in 1839-40, showing original Sandalwood Doors at Somnath, which he destroyed in ca 1024]]
“When the Sultan Yaminu-d Daula Mahmud Bin Subuktigin went to wage religious war against India, he made great efforts to capture and destroy Somnat, in the hope that the Hindus would then become Muhammadans. As a result thousands of Hindus were forcibly converted to Islam. He arrived there in the middle of Zi-l k’ada, 416 A.H. (December, 1025 A.D.). “The king looked upon the idol with wonder, and gave orders for the seizing of the spoil, and the appropriation of the treasures. There were many idols of gold and silver and vessels set with jewels, all of which had been sent there by the greatest personages in India. The value of the things found in the temples of the idols exceeded twenty thousand [[dinars]]."
</blockquote
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Islam_in_India&diff=prev&oldid=399338753
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Islam_in_India&diff=prev&oldid=399332148

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pahari_Sahib
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Direct_Action_Day&diff=188402569&oldid=188399143

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Smsarmad
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Partition_of_India&diff=prev&oldid=575286675

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Doldrums
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:2002_Gujarat_violence&oldid=179417765#.22unreliable.22_CCT
He has misrepresented sources [ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2002_Gujarat_violence&diff=176738995&oldid=176656326 ][ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2002_Gujarat_violence&diff=163076650&oldid=163054200 ][ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2002_Gujarat_violence&diff=146497301&oldid=146496478 ], gave undue weight to a politically motivated "sting" [ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2002_Gujarat_violence&diff=prev&oldid=176145187 ] and removed sources and relevant information [ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2002_Gujarat_violence&diff=143942171&oldid=143888958 ], [ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2002_Gujarat_violence&diff=next&oldid=144157687 ].

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=A.J.A.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christianity_and_Buddhism&diff=85709761&oldid=84568992
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Buddhist-Christian_parallels


http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=Moreschi
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=330440642 (Accuses a Hindu editor of trolling because of the Romila Thapar talkpage)
http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Moreschi
Reverts all (maybe useful) edits by Satbir_Singh on Kamboja pages
Moreschi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Historical_persecution_by_Muslims_%282nd_nomination%29
administrator Andrew Sabisky
student, Collingham College
London, United Kingdom
born:1991 Andrew Sabisky

*[ [ User:Holywarrior|Holy---+---Warrior ] ] POV pushing. Christian bias, made anti-Hindu remarks on Talk Page of [ [ California Hindu Textbook Controversy ] ]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Hipocrite (Goa Inquisition articles)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/58.27.153.119
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_banned_films&diff=283294507&oldid=282131672
deletes:The Pakistani government has banned the import of Indian films, leaving piracy as the only way to distribute them. [http://www.zeenews.com/znnew/articles.asp?aid=232370&sid=ENT&ssid=1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Johnmylove
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik (Insists that Hindutva was a major influence on him.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/206.248.190.27
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Muslim_conquest_in_the_Indian_subcontinent&diff=404390228&oldid=403302288


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Greenman201011
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Greenkhan2010
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Muslim_conquest_in_the_Indian_subcontinent&diff=393792277&oldid=393790941 (the usual massive deletions)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/139.52.167.35 Deletes:
An estimate of the number of people killed, based on the Muslim chronicles and demographic calculations, was done by the author [[K.S. Lal]] in his book ''[[Growth of Muslim Population in Medieval India]]'', who claimed that between 1000 CE and 1500 CE, the population of Hindus decreased by 80 million. His work has come under [[Growth of Muslim Population in Medieval India#criticism|criticism]] by historians such as Simon Digby ([[School of Oriental and African Studies]]) and the [[Marxist historiography|Marxist historian]] [[Irfan Habib]] for its agenda and lack of accurate data in pre-[[census]] times. Lal has responded to these criticisms in later works^{[Reference Needed]}. Historians such as [[Will Durant]] contend that Islam spread through violence.<ref> {{cite book |last=Durant |first= Will |authorlink=Will Durant |title="The Story of Civilization: Our Oriental Heritage" (page 459)}}</ref><ref>{{cite news | first =Koenraad | last =Elst | title =Was there an Islamic "Genocide" of Hindus? | url
=http://www.kashmirherald.com/main.php?t=OP&st=D&no=138 | publisher = [[Kashmir Herald]]| pages = | page = | date = 2006-08-25 | accessdate =2006-08-25 }}</ref> [[Sir Jadunath Sarkar]] contends that that several Muslim invaders were waging a systematic [[jihad]] against Hindus in India to the effect that "Every device short of massacre in cold blood was resorted to in order to convert heathen subjects."<ref> {{cite book |last=Sarkar |first= Jadunath|authorlink=Jadunath Sarkar |title=How the Muslims forcibly converted the Hindus of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh to Islam }}</ref> In particular the records kept by al-Utbi, Mahmud al-Ghazni's secretary, in the Tarikh-i-Yamini document several episodes of bloody military campaigns.{{Citation needed|date=May 2007}} Hindus who converted to Islam however were not completely immune to discrimination due to the [[Caste system among South Asian Muslims]] in India established by Ziauddin al-Barani in the ''Fatawa-i Jahandari''.<ref>[http://stateless.freehosting.net/
Caste%20in%20Indian%20Muslim%20Society.htm Caste in Indian Muslim Society]</ref>, where they were regarded as an "Ajlaf" caste and subjected to discrimination by the "Ashraf" castes<ref name="one">
{{cite book
| title = Caste and Social Stratification Among Muslims in India

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=Sandstein (bias against Hindu editors like Bakasuprman...)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=181238401
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Bebe_Nanaki_Ji
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Aeon_Center_for_Cosmology
administrator Thomas M. Fischer, MLaw
Bern, Switzerland
The worst wikipedia administrators are power hungry, bully administrators as Sandstein.
Bully administrators vandalize the most important asset wikipedia has - contributors.
Here's what HJ Mitchell said about Sandstein
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/MickMacNee/Workshop&diff=prev&oldid=435539168
QUOTE
that you reach for the block button without any consideration of "is this the right thing to do" or "is there another way I can handle this"..."You lack the judgement, and the thickness of skin, to do the job properly; you lack the compassion, humanity and humility to admit it when you fuck up
He protected the Patrizia Norelli-Bachelet article space after the article was deleted (Sandstein voted for the deletion of all Patrizia related articles), probably because he feared the recreation of the article. This is a violation of [[Wikipedia:Protection policy]]: "Administrators must not protect pages they are actively engaged in editing, except in the case of simple vandalism."<ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=protect&user=&page=Patrizia+Norelli-Bachelet] The history of the article is not viewable for non-admins [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Patrizia_Norelli-Bachelet&action=history]</ref>
He deleted the talkpage of Patrizia Norelli-Bachelet, a violation of [[Wikipedia:Deletion guidelines for administrators]]: "As a general rule, don't close discussions or delete pages whose discussions you've participated in. Let someone else do it."and a violation of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:CSD#G8]: do not delete if "it contains deletion discussion that is not logged elsewhere" (the talkpage also had deletion discussion, and can now only be viewed by admins) <ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=&page=Talk%3APatrizia+Norelli-Bachelet]</ref> Possible violation of WP:BLP: He said in the AFD's that the articles on her "consist practically only of WP:POV esoteric mumbo-jumbo, are "best characterised as pieces of advertising", and are "a walled garden of Patrizia Norelli-Bachelet-related esoteric cruft."<ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Patrizia_Norelli-Bachelet%282nd_nomination%29] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_
for_deletion/Aeon_Center_for_Cosmology] </ref>
Some further links:
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Patrizia_Norelli-Bachelet%282nd_nomination%29] (other articles about the person were targeted in the AFD as well. References to her in other unrelated articles were deleted after the AFD by [[Pjacobi]]<ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&offset=20061212091002&limit=500&target=Pjacobi] (look at the edit summaries "rm Norelli-spam per afd result"</ref>, even though they were not part of the AFD)
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Notability_%28people%29/Archive_4], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Recently_concluded_%282006_November%29]

==Trivia==

*[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bebe Nanaki Ji]] (Proposed the deletion of an article of a person who "is of great historical importance in the Sikh Faith.")
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Sandstein Sandstein RFA]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=Fowler&fowler
His immature user/subpages make we serioulsy wonder what kind of professor this Fowler is (as he claims to be on his userpage)? His userpages have endorsements from some of the worst POV-warriors (some of them banned), he writes long essays on some silly wiki-battle with another wikipedian (including charts, tables and analyses of how often the Hindu "extremist" Bose is cited in the "mainstream" literature), and an essay where he tries to disprove that the East had a any "large" influence on material progress through the British Empire, and likes to point out that he only considers the most "mainstream" sources when writing articles. He is also happily censoring sources which do not agree with his POV and (as usual with this kind of editors) inadvertently displays his ignorance.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dbachmann&diff=prev&oldid=121029350
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_India
Talk:Indian mathematics (like Dbachmann and others obsessed that Indian science etc is getting overrated, but instead of being objective going the opposite way and underrating it or claiming it does not exist)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:India&oldid=104917479
Talk:Indus Valley Civilization
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indus_Valley_Civilization&diff=prev&oldid=575814065
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Partition_of_India&action=history
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=British_Raj&action=history
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kashmir&action=history
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shrikant_G._Talageri&diff=prev&oldid=118477473
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Hindutva_propaganda I certainly have read some benighted trash produced by Hindutva luminaries, among them Subhash Kak, B. B. Lal has also aggressively insinuated itself into school curricula and so forth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indian_mathematics&action=history
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Indian_mathematics&action=history
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Subhash_Kak
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mehrgarh&diff=106531803&oldid=106531346 censoring B.B. Lal
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vedic_period&diff=prev&oldid=105765661
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vedic_period&diff=prev&oldid=105766190 (totally unrelated to the article)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indus_Valley_Civilization&diff=106597410&oldid=106578393 censoring B.B. Lal and other Indian archaeologists
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Indus_Valley_Civilization&diff=prev&oldid=106600802 spams racist commentaries on talk pages
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unre4L&diff=prev&oldid=104158324 pov, spams racist commentaries on talk pages
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=101019566 calls himself a "neutral observer"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rueben_lys/India_RfC
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Indian_independence_movement&diff=154225603&oldid=154198070
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Fowler%26fowler&diff=prev&oldid=153346763
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indian_famine_of_1899%E2%80%931900&diff=326117729&oldid=326105742
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_Indian_inventions_and_discoveries
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kashmir&diff=prev&oldid=481662694
deletes: Afghans who infamously committed atrocities particularly on Hindu Kashmiri Pandits was still fresh in Diwan's Mind. The very first thing which he did was to forcefully take all the Pathan, Uzbak women who were mostly wives of Pashtuns soldiers alongside tajiks and uzbaks to lahore and sold all of them in the Hira Mandi as sex workers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kashmiri_Pandit&diff=483061055&oldid=482593318
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Indus_Valley_Civilization "The notion that Lothal had a dock has not been accepted outside India (or, more accurately, outside the insulated environs of state sponsored archeology in post-Independence India.) Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:11, 18 March 2012 (UTC) Comment: If Fowler really is a professor, as he claims, does that also make him "state-sponsored" (or does this only hold for Indians?)?
Mr Fowler&fowler has left no stone unturned to get me blocked. Fowler has put forward two arbitrary and — I must say — incongruous "protocols" on Talk:India, Talk:caste. I told others we should not make it any more complicated and time-consuming than it already is.
Now as it seems (I may be wrong though), it's one of fowler's many fortes (e.g. stonewalling, creating confusion, obfuscating, needlessly complicating things). That is what he has done in WP:DRN (which failed as you may know), Talk:India (see archive no 37 if you missed some), at least one RfC and whatever article or page he has edited lately. If he is not a quintessential example of an inveterate filibusterer, then I don't know what filibustering is. Yet, he has the nerve to claim I am having hard time growing up that as though he knows my age. He randomly calls people's dissenting opinions "Hindu nationalist garbage", "upper caste POV", "nonsense", etc. He acts like he owns wikipedia articles e.g. India. Just see my talk page. He first and then Sitush, threatened me on my talk page, "you will soon be gone, whether forcibly or voluntarily." (because I am supposedly continuing combative high jinks) isn't that a gross violation of WP:TALKNO?? He obliquely discouraged me from editing India, Caste where he
supposedly has his rule. When I tried to bring our wiki-interaction to normalcy, he called me "an obsessively tendentious editor". There is more, I don't have time and the patience to explain every facet of his problematic character. This editor is utterly disruptive. He has this innate knack of turning any discussion in a stale quagmire. 08:46, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
Fowler I think I was not clear, let me try to make it more clear. I am not saying that the newer version is bad, you keep saying that the article was previously edited by a Hindu Nationalist POV pusher This is one of your style of labeling anyone who oppose your edits as Hindu Nationalist, POV pusher
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Dharampal&diff=335481964&oldid=335446349
The article has multiple issues; it might even be an AfD candidate. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 04:13, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
Fowler and Fowler has given more detail on this on the East India Company talk page I've quoted it below:
Dharampal is another speedy AfD candidate. Sounds to me that he was some version of a Hindu nationalist historian masquerading as a Gandhian. Hindu nationalist historians are different from nationalist historians. Hindu nationalists, among other things, murdered Gandhi. All of Dharampal's books are published by obscure publishing houses in India. There is also all kinds of Facebook type nonsense in that article. His daughter is doing ..., his grand nephew is doing ... and so forth.
—Fowler&fowler«Talk»
In 2012, made major changes to Caste articles, maybe removing information on Caste among South Asian Muslims and Christians (and of course using it the article as a stick to smear Hindus)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:India&diff=558944740&oldid=558379449 (Fowler edits this article a lot but I havent checked if it was one of his additions)

(Fowler also removed the science and technology section from the India article)

An user comments on the India article (which is one of Fowlers articles):
"Some suggestions to remove incorrect information, bias against India
"The first paragraph of subsection "Society", in this article, makes several statements that are not widely accepted in reputed, reliable sources. Some statements are false, or were true long time ago but irrelevant now. The statements have citations, but these citations do not meet wikipedia's reliable source guidelines.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Hornplease
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Wikipedians_against_censorship&oldid=194081655#Censorship_against_.28pro-.29_Hindu_authors
What you are infact doing as visible to me is that you are systematically censoring and removing mention from wikipedia of atrocities committed against Hindus by Muslims and providing all bogus reasons for doing so. I am sure it is evident by now to many editors of wikipedia and administrators. Kindly do not censor articles please, I dont want to argue with you anymore.Talk:Hindu_Temples_-_What_Happened_to_Them and Talk:Muslim_conquest_in_the_Indian_subcontinent
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Muslim_conquest_in_the_Indian_subcontinent&diff=154230907&oldid=154226348
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Hkelkar_2/Evidence#.E2.80.99Cleansing.E2.80.99_of_articles_by_Hornplease
He has attacked [ [ Narendra Modi ] ] violating [ [ WP:NPOV ] ] and [ [ WP:BLP ] ] in the process. After being confronted by Nearly Headless Nick he tried to lie about sources that TerryJ-Ho misrepresented, [ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sir_Nicholas_de_Mimsy-Porpington&diff=next&oldid=90009075 ] he proceeded to try to justify himself and accused me and hkelkar of being politically motivated [ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sir_Nicholas_de_Mimsy-Porpington&diff=next&oldid=90032299 ] when Hornplease himself edits in a politically non-neutral fashion. On an article I worked on for [ [ User:Bakasuprman/DYK|DYK ] ], [ [ G.T. Nanavati ] ], was affected by Hornplease's POV-pushing as well. He used an unreliable source [ http://www.countercurrents.org/links.htm Countercurrents describes themselves as a progressive/alternative site ] (meaning they are not mainstream and that they are partisan) to [ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=G.T._Nanavati&diff=77122978&
oldid=77121579 attack judge Nanavati ]. I removed the link per [ [ WP:BLP ] ] and [ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:G.T._Nanavati&diff=prev&oldid=77268999 requested him to discuss (albeit with some Bad humor) ] . He lies about countercurrents for his reply and claims to have a real citation that he cant cite [ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:G.T._Nanavati&diff=next&oldid=77269088 ] . Why should I wait for the supposed citation? [ [ WP:BLP ] ] and [ [ WP:RS ] ] says all defamatory information not cited by mainstream media should be removed so I did exactly that [ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=G.T._Nanavati&diff=next&oldid=77123054 ]. G.T. Nanavati and his commission the [ [ Nanavati Commission ] ] found members of the congress party responsible of the [ [ 1984 Anti-Sikh riots ] ] in which innocent Sikhs were butchered in the streets of New Delhi. Hornplease again had to attack the truth, and try and find fringe criticism of Nanavati.
[ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Anti-Hindu&diff=81484009&oldid=81483529 ]
Saying that he hasn't heard of the term "anti-Hindu" and calling it a neologism, when the earliest use of it was by Sir Jadunath Sarkar in the late 1800's, some neologism. Then he claimed that it was "used only by right wing groups", another blatant lie on his part which I proved again by citing academic sources [ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Anti-Hindu&diff=81490036&oldid=81488469 ] Then he himself backpedals and admits that non rightwing sources have used the term.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Persecution_of_Buddhists&diff=prev&oldid=157202788 ([ [ Buddhas of Bamyan ] ])
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Michael_E._J._Witzel (Brinda Karat,Kancha Ilaiah, Gail Omvedt)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Hindutva_propaganda
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Hinduism-related_topics_notice_board#Dharmic_Religions
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bombay_Riots&diff=prev&oldid=136485182
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Californian_Hindu_textbook_controversy&diff=prev&oldid=125596956
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chittisinghpura_massacre&diff=114631934&oldid=113896236
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christianity_in_India&diff=prev&oldid=155669755
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dalitstan&diff=prev&oldid=134034420 etc
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eminent_Historians:_Their_Technology%2C_Their_Line%2C_Their_Fraud&diff=124046560&oldid=124028729
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fascism&diff=prev&oldid=134509668 adds RSS
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fascism_in_India&diff=prev&oldid=154039060,
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Frontline_%28magazine%29&diff=prev&oldid=153127779 (Tibet)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Girilal_Jain&diff=153299959&oldid=153299732
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hari_Singh&diff=152650458&oldid=152648404, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hari_Singh&diff=115258807&oldid=115161293
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hindu_Forum_of_Britain&diff=prev&oldid=151454349
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hindu_nationalism&diff=prev&oldid=151886663
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hindu_Students_Council&diff=prev&oldid=155669474 pov
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=K._B._Hedgewar&diff=prev&oldid=136486122, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=K._B._Hedgewar&diff=prev&oldid=134004713
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nandigram_dispute&diff=prev&oldid=157240764
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nandigram_SEZ_controversy&diff=130102251&oldid=129128281
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pakistan_Studies&action=history
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pakistan_Studies&diff=prev&oldid=143884953
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rajendra_Singh_%28RSS%29&oldid=125959248 pov
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Subhash_Kak&diff=prev&oldid=127373983
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Subhash_Kak&diff=prev&oldid=152796683
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Voice_of_India&diff=120678328&oldid=120654575
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pankaj_Mishra&diff=prev&oldid=105011834
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2007_September_8&diff=prev&oldid=157175195#Dharmic_religion
Subhas Chandra Bose articles,Hindu Students Council, Marad_massacre, Giriraj_Kishore, Template_talk:Hindu_politics
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Wikipedians_against_censorship&oldid=179508508#Censorship_against_.28pro-.29_Hindu_authors
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Gujarat&diff=prev&oldid=114983830 Strangely, there seems to be no mention of the riots in the entire article. Wonder why. It used to be in the lead. [ [ User:Hornplease|Hornplease ] ] 04:47, 14 March 2007 (UTC)(Compare with http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hizbul_Mujahideen&diff=prev&oldid=96727598
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Subhash_Kak&diff=prev&oldid=152796683
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Subhash_Kak&diff=prev&oldid=127373983
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=155674093 thapar
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=152426495#Out_of_India_theory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Hindutva propaganda
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Romila_Thapar&diff=144418755&oldid=144417450
(Also defends the biased war movie "300" against criticism from Iranians. This is not terrible of course, but not what you would expect from somebody who claims to fight against "-ism's" when convenient.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=71.227.191.140
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pakistan_Studies&diff=prev&oldid=156221789

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=71.227.191.140
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Amartya_Sen&diff=153835693&oldid=153073060

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/115.113.48.10

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=Truthlover
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Michael_E._J._Witzel&diff=41591899&oldid=41590869 Why are you giving so importance to a Third World Contry person like Talageri? These religious beggers and low class people don't deserve this much attention.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Michael_E._J._Witzel&diff=41590869&oldid=40608810 Hypocricy is another name of all Hindu!

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=Witzel
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michael_E._J._Witzel&diff=prev&oldid=31635407
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michael_E._J._Witzel&diff=prev&oldid=32842143
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michael_E._J._Witzel&diff=prev&oldid=32698801
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Californian_Hindu_textbook_controversy&diff=prev&oldid=37016782
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michael_E._J._Witzel&diff=prev&oldid=45969328
In one of the emails produced by Dalit Freedom Network, Witzel notes "(p)lease check what Wikipedia says about your organization… They always put back what I erase." In reaction to the forwarded message, DFN's Executive Director asks whether "(DFN) can… edit this ourselves…I do not want to start being identified as a mission (sic) organization… " …many principals of DFN are unabashed in their antagonism towards Hinduism.
The URL given below shows how Witzel edited his multiple evangelical posts, in the context of the California Textbook issue:
http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Special:Contribu tions/65.78.20.179

User:24.60.203.19
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Michael_Witzel&diff=489087838&oldid=487119119
As usual, an IP from MA "repeatedly removing sourced content"

[ [ User|Wikisceptic ] ] Not very active, but frequently insults Indians and Hindus in talk pages, POV pushed Hindu orgs in [ [ List of terrorist organizations ] ] that were not terrorist and removed Christian orgs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Benfold
Template:Hindu nationalism<
Template:Islamism in South Asia (Wants to delete the template, and wants to delete Islamist terrorist incicents and violence, while at the same time he wants to keep the pov at the template Hindu nationalism)
2012 Chirrirbandar violence : deletes the mention of "Muslims" when discussing the terrorist incident
Template: Human righst abuses in Jammu and Kashmir: Creates pov-template only mentioning alleged violence against Muslims, and deletes any violence against violence like the 1998 Chapnari massacre from it.
Taslima Nasrin

User:Xandar (Goa Inquisition)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Goa_Inquisition&diff=108825180&oldid=108691621
Xander was a christen fanatic who repeatedly removed whole sourced sections of article.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Akhilleus
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Goa_Inquisition&diff=161251792&oldid=161251577
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Goa_Inquisition&diff=162394896&oldid=161483712

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Otto_ter_Haar
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History_of_Goa&diff=69886672&oldid=69883958

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=69.110.152.89 (69.110.152.90) (according to a search this IP brings up the name of Steve Farmer)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indus_script&diff=prev&oldid=51056762
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indus_script&diff=prev&oldid=51056584
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indus_Valley_Civilization&diff=prev&oldid=29755562
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indus_Valley_Civilization&diff=prev&oldid=11378916
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indus_script&diff=prev&oldid=9920041
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indus_script&diff=prev&oldid=9084415
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indus_Valley_Civilization&diff=next&oldid=11379346
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indus_Valley_Civilization&diff=prev&oldid=8750598
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indus_Valley_Civilization&diff=prev&oldid=8750805
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indus_script&diff=prev&oldid=9083937
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Giovanni_Pico_della_Mirandola&diff=prev&oldid=75785836
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Giovanni_Pico_della_Mirandola&diff=prev&oldid=75786063
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Giovanni_Pico_della_Mirandola&diff=prev&oldid=75786442
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michael_E._J._Witzel&diff=prev&oldid=31303781
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michael_E._J._Witzel&diff=prev&oldid=34418133
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michael_E._J._Witzel&diff=prev&oldid=34418253
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michael_E._J._Witzel&diff=prev&oldid=34420254
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michael_E._J._Witzel&diff=prev&oldid=35696887
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michael_E._J._Witzel&diff=prev&oldid=35700137
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michael_E._J._Witzel&diff=prev&oldid=35972966

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard&oldid=178247291#Walled_gardens_of_woo
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kambojas&diff=prev&oldid=177931724
http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=13870 WP:Fringe theories noticeboard
The outcome is pretty clear and someone's work which seems to be enclopaedic enough for inclusion is going to get nuked. This board is pretty much everything that's wrong about WP. It's also one of the Moreschi/Folantin meatpuppet tagteam's favorite arena of operations these days

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Moreschi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Dbachmann/Evidence#Moreschi:_Presented_faulty_evidence_to_ban_Deeceevoice

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Fireplace
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard&diff=166095465&oldid=166093075
The family of pages at [ [ :Category:Integral theory ] ], [ [ :Category:Integral thought ] ], [ [ :Category:Ken Wilber ] ], and [ [ :Category:Sri Aurobindo ] ] go into great technical detail about the beliefs and biographies surrounding fringe [ [ New Age ] ]-y theories with little or no coverage in mainstream, independent sources. I've recently prodded a bunch of them, but I expect those to be contested by the authors. [ [ User:Fireplace|Fireplace ] ] 18:19, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ken_Wilber&action=history
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Auroville&action=history
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Seven_rays
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fireplace/draft3
Templates:
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Categories:
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Recently prodded Integral Thought articles (most recent on top):
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http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=Adam+Cuerden
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Master_Hilarion
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=A_Treatise_on_White_Magic&diff=177277595&oldid=177277412

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=Rudrasharman BLP violations against people like B.B. Lal and others
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Indian_astronomy&diff=156948678&oldid=156913370 This article is in serious need of deKakification. [ [ User:Rudrasharman|rudra ] ] 16:16, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Indian_astronomy&diff=159113617&oldid=159111112
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetics_and_archaeogenetics_of_South_Asia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Genetics_and_archaeogenetics_of_South_Asia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1a_%28Y-DNA%29
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sarasvati_River&diff=prev&oldid=473086071
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Rajiv_Malhotra
Of course, I understand the bit about how he's really a Hindutva fascist or somesuch, and therefore we should be trying our best to eliminate any mention of such scum of the earth from WP, which is why we prod articles rather than tag them as unreferenced (== "we don't like him, so we'll play like we haven't heard of him.") rudra (talk) 08:11, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/JSR
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History_of_metallurgy_in_the_Indian_subcontinent&diff=233281103&oldid=233261701

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Bullamail
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chittisinghpura_massacre&diff=prev&oldid=113382158

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Tariqgib
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shah_Jahan&diff=90101235&oldid=90101065
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shah_Jahan&diff=90101065&oldid=89055764

SlimVirgin
administrator Linda Mack
aka Sarah McEwan
Alberta or Saskatchewan, Canada
born: circa 1961
Linda Mack worked for Pierre Salinger at
ABC News, London (1989-1991). He fired
her when he felt that she was working with
MI5 to undermine the Lockerbie investigation. Linda Mack aka Sarah McEwan aka SlimVirgin
Tons of info on sites like wikipedireview, wikipedia-watch.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Saravask
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&oldid=485462061#Proposed_indefinite_topic_ban_for_Yogesh_Khandke
compares pro-Hindu pov to Holocaust denial (also in other places on wikipedia IIRC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/68.147.143.247
This article consists of too much propaganda and lies
The whole Sikh section is one massive farce. It consists of Sikh nationalist propaganda. This is a one sided account of history. Why does this article negate the historical proofs of the Sikhs being bandits, killers and thieves? The Sikhs used to loot and steal from wealthy Muslim caravans and people. The Sikhs even insulted Muslims by tying their horses to sacred places like Mosques. They destroyed many Muslim places of worship.
The funny thing is they even refer to the Sikhs as lions, which proves a definite bias here. Statement like "took over many Muslim and Mughal lands" is wrong and a big lie. The Sikh nation was small and limited mostly to the Punjab area. The land they occupied was largely because the Mughals were faced with many internal conflicts, the conflicts with the Pashtuns, the conflicts with the Hindus, the conflicts with the Europeans, etc. This made the forces of the empire spread out too wide. The Sikhs were lucky, not victorious. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.147.143.247 (talk) 09:15, 26 November 2011 (UTC)



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mechdoc
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rape_in_Jammu_and_Kashmir&diff=493482632&oldid=489622802
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kashmir_conflict&diff=prev&oldid=492795989

other links
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Hinduism-related_topics_notice_board/Archive_3#BIASED_PRESENTATION_OF_MATERIAL_ON_HINDUISM_AND_INDIA_ON_WIKIPEDIA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Media_bias_in_India_%282nd_nomination%29
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Genocides_in_history&diff=487029393&oldid=487027852

lost diffs from deleted pages:Vishal Agarwal, Stephen Knapp, Hindu extremism, Hindutva propaganda, Hindutva revisionism, Nicholas Kazanas, Vedic Science (Hindutva), Pseudo-scientific currents in Hindutva propaganda,User talk:Rama's Arrow
hornplease-lost diffs from deleted pages : Muslim Separatism - Causes and Consequences,Historical Vedic religion

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=Sandstein (bias against Hindu editors like Bakasuprman...)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=181238401
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Bebe_Nanaki_Ji
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Patrizia_Norelli-Bachelet%282nd_nomination%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Aeon_Center_for_Cosmology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Notability_%28people%29/Archive_4

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/BrahmanAdvaita
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Advaita_Vedanta&diff=prev&oldid=496275023 removes Sarvepalli Radhakrishnasn with bogus excuse ("nationalist"), and in the Sarvepalli Radhakrishnasn article he inserts a criticism section claiming that Sarvepalli and all of the pre 1950 Indian historians are "nationalist historians".
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Hinduism&diff=prev&oldid=495720391 says Hinduism should not be called an indigenous religion in the article



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Indian_Resistance_to_Early_Muslim_Invaders_Up_to_1206_A.D.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/DGG
Claims to be a librarian, but often and regularly supports the deletion of books, here one of Aurobindo:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Life_Divine&diff=166411161&oldid=166298817



https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/GreenUniverse&offset=&limit=5000&target=GreenUniverse
Deleted many notable articles until he was banned for socking.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Itsmejudith
Another user that deletes notable articles or references or supports such.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard/Archive_23
I see that we have articles on a number of books by the writer Koenraad Elst. He advocates a non-mainstream line on Indian history, chiming with certain themes in Indian nationalism, on the verge at least of extremism. I would not have thought that these books are notable in their own right. They received little or no scholarly attention. I'm thinking of merging them all back into the biography of Elst. Any views? Itsmejudith (talk) 22:12, 2 January 2011 (UTC)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Irshaad86
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Genocides_in_history&diff=451729969&oldid=451708566
Deletes examples of persecutions by Muslims in this and other articles


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Sikandarji
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Tipu_Sultan/Archive_1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kmzayeem
May I draw your kind attention to the series of disruptive edits by User:Kmzayeem, where without any prior discussion in the talk pages, the user has nominated Bhasa Andolan, 2012 Fatehpur Violence, 2012 Hathazari Violence and 2012 Chirirbandar Violence for deletion. When I went to post a message to him, I found that their have already been several complaints against this user. So I thought it mind be helpful, if I posted it here.
He also nominated 1992 Bangladesh pogroms for deletion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/BengaliHindu (start an IPcheck because an editor opposed his mass deletions)
== Articles needing severe attention ==
Recently some new articles have been created which cover some controversial incidents. These articles are potential candidates to violate the [[WP:POV|POV]], [[WP:Vandalism]] policies. The articles, so far, don't have much Bangladeshi participation but heavily require it. The articles are
* [[1992 Bangladesh pogroms]]
* [[2012 Ramu violence]]
[[User:Kmzayeem|<font style="font-size:18px" color="#848482" face="Ransom">Zayeem</font>]] ^{[[User talk:Kmzayeem|<font color="#483C32">'''''(talk)'''''</font>]]} 14:57, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Volunteer_Marek
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Persecution_by_Muslims
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2012_October_6&diff=prev&oldid=516633162 Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2012 October 6 ‎ (→‎History of persecutions by Christians)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2012_October_6&diff=prev&oldid=516619453 Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2012 October 6 ‎ (→‎Persecution by Christians)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Persecution_of_Buddhists&diff=prev&oldid=516040355
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia%3AArticles_for_deletion%2FIslam_and_anti-Christian_persecution

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/117.214.24.201
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Forced_conversion&diff=486043373&oldid=484167452 deletions
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Forced_conversion&diff=486043459&oldid=486043373
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Zalamehadak
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Forced_conversion&diff=479027571&oldid=479025915 deletions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Islamiclight
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Forced_conversion&diff=479025124&oldid=479024750 deletions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/69.181.127.56
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Forced_conversion&diff=486594432&oldid=486593342 deletions
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Forced_conversion&diff=486593342&oldid=486052906

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Giggy
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bangladesh_Liberation_War&diff=240587513&oldid=237764518

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pingmi
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=National_Socialist_Council_of_Nagaland&diff=478054388&oldid=478052151

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Bodhidharma7
Bodhidharma 7 predicts: "You must realize that there exist many formidable political interests behind the attempt to suppress evidence of IE migration/invasion of India at all costs. These two clowns were just patsies, utterly expendable; their sole purpose was to soften me up and make me vulnerable... and they very nearly succeeded, I might add. But they won't be the last. There will be many more of these Hindutvadi-style trolls to come. And with a number of major new studies being published this year in support of IE invasion (such as Stepanov, Moorjani etc.), you can expect an all-out war." Talk:Genetics_and_archaeogenetics_of_South_Asia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/TopGun
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Negationism_in_India:_Concealing_the_Record_of_Islam&diff=460784743&oldid=433050536 wants to delete article on book

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/RegentsPark
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Romila_Thapar&diff=prev&oldid=365498907 deletes criticism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/SpacemanSpiff
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Romila_Thapar&action=historysubmit&diff=438639520&oldid=438639315 deletes information

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/59.92.138.69
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=NCERT_controversy&diff=prev&oldid=278718411
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=NCERT_controversy&diff=prev&oldid=278718585

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Annette46
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Harsh_Narain&diff=230340512&oldid=185174513

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Cs32en
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/The_Calcutta_Quran_Petition
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Calcutta_Quran_Petition&diff=446795047&oldid=446794662
blanking of content (including, ironically, this sentence: After the publication of this book, some people tried to ban it.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mahir_abrar
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Freedom_of_religion_in_Bangladesh&diff=488670877&oldid=480419824 blankings
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hinduism_in_Bangladesh&diff=prev&oldid=489609032 deletions

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/86.158.176.172
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Freedom_of_religion_in_Pakistan&diff=315561298&oldid=315048754


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/41.235.64.225
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Muslim_conquest_in_the_Indian_subcontinent&diff=prev&oldid=425241761

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/182.185.210.95
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Taliban_treatment_of_women&diff=prev&oldid=554897075

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Future_Perfect_at_Sunrise (blocked Hindu editors indefinitely for alleged incivilty without blocking their counterparts like Islamist editor Darkness Shines)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Minorities_in_Pakistan&diff=558742890&oldid=558742769
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=prev&oldid=559020697#Unhelpful_threats_given_for_expanding_Minorities_in_Pakistan
What Future Perfect has done is to take a 4,000+ word article with 115 citations to reliable sources like BBC News, The New York Times, and The Sydney Morning Herald and reduced the article to 400 words and three sources. This is an appalling action and is disruptive to the progress of the encyclopedia. Future Perfect's position as expressed in his/her edit summary: "if anybody seriously wants to clean up the article and make it neutral, this is the version to start out from" is unreasonable and unnecessarily authoritative as well as intimidating. They should consider a more reasonable approach to making improvements to this article. Furthermore, I think this issue needs to be brought to an appropriate dispute resolution forum such as WP:DR rather than Jimbo's talk page which is for general discussions on WP issues not content disputes. Please notify me if it is opened somewhere else as I'd like to contribute to the discussion. Thank you.--
Future_Perfect_at_Sunrise
sockpuppet: LukasPietsch
administrator Dr. Lukas Pietsch
multilinguist, University of Hamburg
Germany Lukas Pietsch

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/TwoHorned
On a crusade against Koenraad Elst. He seems to be a follower of both Islam and Guenon (if such a thing is possible), and is also anti-pagan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard/Archive7
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Koenraad_Elst&oldid=564156328
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Koenraad_Elst&oldid=561229762

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Appoose
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vijay_Prashad&diff=253538072&oldid=253514682

CrCulver (pov, e.g. uninformed edit on http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anti-Hinduism&diff=88907939&oldid=88900946)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Nmkuttiady
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Islam_in_India
Muslim-Buddhist conflict Is it really necessary to have a subsection just because 10 years ago (out of 1200 years of coexistence), there were a few minor incidents possibly communal in nature (that too directly related to a political insurgency in the neighboring region)? Islam has been in Ladakh for 1200 years. The region has always been peaceful in terms of religious issues. What's the point in mentioning it here in an article about Islam in India? NMKuttiady (talk) 10:03, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Mel Etitis
http://www.saisathyasai.com/wikipedia/wikipedia_admin_mel_etitis.html
http://www.wikitruth.info/index.php?title=Mel_Etitis
http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?act=findpost&pid=27865
aka Peter J King
Mel Etitis created his account on December 29th 2004 and created his Peter J King sockpuppet on January 13th 2007, after he was an admin and should have known better.
administrator Peter J Kingdom
Claims to teach philosophy at Oxford

Paul Barlow
The most sensible of the editors with an anti-Hindu pov (which doesn't say much). Unless most others, he actually listens to and respects other POVs than his own. Still, when not confronted, he will generally be biased (and also misinformed), and not acknowledge any "pro-Hindu" views while a priori believing that the "anti-Hindu" pov is the correct one. He is much less biased against other religions than Hinduism, for example insists that Jihad is not central to Islamic doctrine. In articles he tries to make Hindus like fanatics, by placing special emphasis on the most fringe or lunatic of Hindus like P.N. Oak in the Taj Mahal article, or he tries to emphazise the supposed beastiality component in the article on the Vedic horse sacrifice, or he says that Afghanistan was never part of "India" (although it was at times aligned with India culturally and politcally). Despite his strong bias against anything to do with Hindu nationalism, he at the same time is less critical even of fascists, at one point even defending Kevin Macdonald when one Hindu editor pointed out his article is less critical of him than those of many Hindu authors.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Muslim_conquest_in_the_Indian_subcontinent&diff=28387513&oldid=28321952
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:The_Secret_Doctrine&diff=30202784&oldid=30121740
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Taj_Mahal/Archive2 Yes Muslims destroyed Hindu temples at various times, but Shah Jahan didn't. (Shah Jahan also destroyed temples during some time)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:P._N._Oak/Archive_1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Dalit_Buddhist_movement
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Koenraad_Elst&diff=557149261&oldid=557090524
Paul Barlow reverts an user who was trying to remove false allegations in the K. Elst article.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jayjg
General bigotry: Supports the deletion of an article about rape in the bible, voted for the RFA of Wikipedia-Islamist Anonymous editor, etc. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jayjg/Edits) Also collaborator of controversial editor SlimVirgin.

pov crap and fringe stuff taken from a list:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=Karthikcomplex vandalized [ [ Vishwa Hindu Parishad ] ] and called it a "terrorist" org.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mujeerkhan, Tarikur, Bhola, BhaiSaab, My_Wikidness, NinaEliza, 203.196.207.119, Ikonoblast, Lee Hunter (Kashmir terrorism), Esteqlal, Yousaf465, Maunus, Pens_withdrawn, Basawala, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/212.140.128.142, Mitth'raw'nuruodo, lalitshastri, Kathanar, {{User|Anirudh777}},
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Geek1975, Jandolin, Bobfrombrockley (neofascismandreligion/hindutva), Muggle1982,Benjaminmarsh,SteveMcCluskey,65.78.20.179 (CA textbook controversy),212.199.22.124,Bdebbarma (NLFT povpushing),DaGizza, merzbow (on articles about famines in India during the British Empire?),CrCulver (anti-hindu pov),Timothy Usher(on talk:dbachmann),John_Kenney, citecop,Itsmejudith

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Huon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_Indian_inventions_and_discoveries
Tries to argue that IVC inventions are not part of India's history as he claims there is complete disconnect between the two cultures. (also Fowler&Fowler and Moreschi)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Szhaider
*In response to my block, Szhaider attacks me on the lines of age, race and religion: [ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Szhaider&diff=99216179&oldid=99215783 ], [ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Szhaider&diff=99225030&oldid=99223228 ], [ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Szhaider&diff=99236044&oldid=99228234 ], [ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Szhaider&diff=99262729&oldid=99262631 ].
*Szhaider's conspiracy theories: [ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Szhaider&diff=100825644&oldid=100824849 ]
*All of Szhaider's unblock requests were filled with abusive language and attacks and summarily rejected by other administrators - [ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ASzhaider&diff=99372165&oldid=99209551 ].

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nadirali
* Nadirali distorts content issues in political terms, "India vs. Pakistan:" [ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ganeshk&diff=91549160&oldid=91530327 ], [ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ganeshk&diff=92074266&oldid=92072598 ]
* Nadirali's anti-India rhetoric - [ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:History_of_India&diff=prev&oldid=92583627 | ], [ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Szhaider&diff=prev&oldid=90923669| ], [ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=India&diff=107497370&oldid=107496294 ], [ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Szhaider&diff=prev&oldid=90823582 ],
[ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:History_of_Pakistan&diff=prev&oldid=90966340 ]
* Nadirali's open-attack on a troll exhibits his mentality[ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Nadirali&diff=prev&oldid=90918518 ]: ''Second off that's a Pakistani page,so since your not Pakistani,stay off that page.''
* Nadirali removed messages and warnings from other editors - [ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Nadirali&diff=prev&oldid=90915545 ], [ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Nadirali&diff=prev&oldid=90915471 ], [ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Nadirali&diff=prev&oldid=90915632 ] and alters the words of another user to insert anti-India comments[ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Pakistan&diff=prev&oldid=91036368 ], [ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Nadirali&diff=prev&oldid=91043460 ]

The Pakistan article includes this unsourced quote since ages: "During this period, Sufi missionaries played a pivotal role in converting a majority of the regional Buddhist and Hindu population to Islam." (although some Sufis were fanatical and not peaceful, the quote suggests the conversions were only peaceful)
Pakistan. for a long time, they wanted to claim that Pakistan is a country in the Middle east in the lead of the pakistan article. It still claims that Sufism played a major part in converting the people, and no word about violence and forced conversions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Unre4l
* Personal attacks and anti-India, disruptive comments including multiple assertions of India(ns) "ripping off" Pakistan's history, akin to Nadirali: [ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Unre4L&diff=prev&oldid=93072639 ], [ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:History_of_India&diff=prev&oldid=93213243 ], [ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:P%C4%81%E1%B9%87ini&diff=93692453&oldid=93688727 ], [ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:P%C4%81%E1%B9%87ini&diff=93819841&oldid=93786192 ], [ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:P%C4%81%E1%B9%87ini&diff=94300029&oldid=94223099 ], [ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:History_of_India&diff=prev&oldid=90650271 ], [ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:P%C4%81%E1%B9%87ini&diff=prev&oldid=93930642 ], [ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Luna_Santin&diff=prev&oldid=94278569 ], [ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:P%C4%81%E1%B9%87ini&diff=prev&oldid=94300029 ], [ http://en.
wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=96433224 ], [ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:History_of_India&diff=prev&oldid=98299350 ]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Xtremeownage
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Aurangzeb&diff=prev&oldid=124270090

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=Zora
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Partition_of_India (Wants to censor information re. the genocide), California Text book controversy
Zora also writes that Indians should be like Kabir and love Islam, even though Kabirs followers are actually mostly Hindus, and certainly not accepted by Muslims at large

*[ [ User|Rushdie ] ] pov-pusher

*User:Conjoiner
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=182243040#Advice

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=S_Seagal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kargil_War

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nemonoman
Shah Jahan,Aurangzeb

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/130.63.250.121


*Irishpunktom (not active, used to be active (and very biased) on Wikipedia Current Events)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/AhmedPak
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Decline_of_Buddhism_in_India&diff=123055855&oldid=prev

*eggman64 (pov pushing)

*Tarikur (Jamaati islamist pov pushing)

*Goethean http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=33757
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anti-Hinduism&diff=367948800&oldid=367947977
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anti-Hinduism&diff=367947977&oldid=367937670
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anti-Hinduism&diff=366077735&oldid=366027436
aka Scott Zimmerle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Goethean/Hindu_Nazis
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Invading_the_Sacred&diff=514686226&oldid=514650855

*Admin001 (pov pusher)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=Anwar+saadat Vandalism, pov pushing
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Muslim_conquest_in_the_Indian_subcontinent&diff=39651318&oldid=39644285
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Muslim_conquest_in_the_Indian_subcontinent&diff=39532774&oldid=39517683
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Communist_Party_of_India_%28Marxist%29&diff=prev&oldid=141853196
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babri Masjid


PROD (Deletion of articles without discussion)
Very incomplete list of notable articles that were prodded:
Defending the West: A Critique of Edward Said's Orientalism,Standing Alone in Mecca‎, Tantrika: Traveling the Road of Divine Love,Vishal Agarwal, What the Koran Really Says,...

Some interesting AFDs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ali_Sina
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Anant_Priolkar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Anjana_Mishra_rape_case
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Anti-Hindu
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Bias_in_South_Asian_Studies
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Dharmic_religion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Faith_Freedom_International
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Hindu_politics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Historical_persecution_by_Muslims_%282nd_nomination%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Infidel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Inside_Islam:_A_Guide_for_Catholics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Islam_and_domestic_violence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Islam_and_Terrorism:_What_the_Quran_Really_Teaches_About_Christianity%2C_Violence_and_the_Goals_of_the_Islamic_Jihad_%282nd_nomination%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Islamofascism_%28term%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Islam_Unveiled
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Jihad_Watch
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Journey_into_the_Mind_of_an_Islamic_Terrorist
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_books_critical_of_Islam
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Michel_Bauwens_%282nd_nomination%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Muslim_population_growth_in_India
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Muslim_Separatism_-_Causes_and_Consequences
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Nicholas_Kazanas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Onward_Muslim_Soldiers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Patrizia_Norelli-Bachelet%282nd_nomination%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Richard_Rose
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Spiral_dynamics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/The_Politically_Incorrect_Guide_to_Islam_%28And_the_Crusades%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/The_Truth_About_Muhammad:_Founder_of_the_World%27s_Most_Intolerant_Religion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Walter_Kilner
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Yvette_Rosser
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2007_April_9
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/User:AMbroodEY/Fundy_Watch
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/User:CltFn/Sudden_Jihad_Syndrome
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Islam/Islam_and_Controversy_task_force/Watchlist
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/WikiProject_Islam:SIIEG_%282nd_nomination%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Hindutva_terrorism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Indigenous_Aryan_Theory
http://deletionpedia.dbatley.com/w/index.php?title=Muslim_Slave_System_in_Medieval_India (Od Mishehu deleted Muslim Slave System in Medieval India because Expired PROD, concern was: No independent sources, couldn't find any secondary treatments of this book. Appears to be fancruft for a Hindutva polemic.)
Other deleted pages: Stephen Knapp, Hindu extremism, Hindu terrorism, Hindutva revisionism, Vedic Science (Hindutva), Pseudo-scientific currents in Hindutva propaganda,

Other articles with possible bias or white-wash issues:
Persecution of Hindus, Category:Riots in Pakistan, Wendy Doniger, Article on anti-Mojahir riots in Pakistan,Article on anti-Ahmadiya riots in Pakistan,Post Bugti Riots,Direct Action Day,Bombay Riots,Balochistan Liberation Army, Nawab Akbar Bugti (specific to riots after his death),Mukhtaran Mai,Poverty in Pakistan,Pakistani Nationalism (on ethnic Balochi and Pushtun Nationalism, as well as stuff about the Mojahirs and Ahmadiyyas), History of Bangladesh and Bangladesh Liberation War articles, all Kashmir articles.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests&diff=prev&oldid=252122202#Motion_to_amend_Bharatveer_case
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2008-09-18_Orissa_religious_violence

User:Anacapa
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cailil/Sneaky_vandalism_on_feminism_and_gender_studies_related_articles

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fireplace
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Integral_movement&diff=166111481&oldid=155181175

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Iamgaurav_2020
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hinduism_in_Pakistan&diff=prev&oldid=443920623

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=Vanished+user
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Supermind&diff=166668253&oldid=166409808

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Paul_Pieniezny (inserts lies for his attacks in biographies of living persons)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koenraad_Elst

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Indiancrusader
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pankaj_Mishra&diff=prev&oldid=252719662
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Christianity_in_India&diff=prev&oldid=252922448

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Deepak_D%27Souza
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christianity_in_India&diff=242902731&oldid=242902173

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=Dbachmann
Obviously this section is larger than the others because the user happens to be one of the users with the most edits on wikipedia.

[michael...@gmail.com]

'''Controversies on BLP Articles'''

== David Frawley ==
(Biography of a Living Person article)
Comment: Compare this with the Michael Witzel and Nicholas Kazanas articles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=In_Search_of_the_Cradle_of_Civilization&diff=91984997&oldid=72722238
Adds:
See also
*[ [ National mysticism ] ]
*[ [ Nationalism and archaeology ] ]
[ [ :Category:Pseudohistory ] ]
Comment:Of course pagan religions like Hinduism have a "national" element (sacred rivers, sacred mountains), and a prominent mystical element when compared to Christianity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=David_Frawley&diff=59832944&oldid=56190483 Dr. Frawley is heavily criticized by most leading Indologists such as Michael Witzel (Wales Professor of Sanskrit at Harvard University) for spreading pseudo-scientific ideas regarding (Rig-)Vedic culture and literature.
Comment:Unsourced

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:David_Frawley&diff=prev&oldid=60174775
Probably Dbachmann as an anonym IP sockpuppet:
Don't you think it would be reasonable to add some criticism? The article looks like a hymn to Dr. Frawley, as if it were written by himself. As I am not much acquainted with the Wiki system, I don't really get how to "source" something - at first glance the article on Frawley is also not sourced.
Anyway, as I am doing my thesis on the Rigveda and therefore (believe myself to) have at least some ability of judging the discussions (also involving Michael Witzel) - Dr. Frawley having an important part in them - I would appreciate it if someone could help to "source" the criticism, or explain to me how "sourcing" is done. Thanks. &#xE2;&#x80;&#x94;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.221.87.219 (talk &#xE2;&#x80;&#xA2; contribs)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:David_Frawley&diff=60333839&oldid=60197437
Dbachmann comes and replys for his probable IP sock:
um, ''any'' information, on people both living or dead, must be sourced. At present, the introduction is a fawning eulogy. The article gives no source whatsoever. It won't do to just drop what you don't like and keep what you like. Care to source any of the extolling praise, or shall we remove that as unsourced too? [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|('''&#5839;''') ] ]</small> 13:41, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=In_Search_of_the_Cradle_of_Civilization&diff=prev&oldid=113304909 notion of "[ [ Indigenous Aryans ] ]".
Deletes:To many Hindus, the idea that the Vedas were written by descendants of tribes that immigrated from [ [ Central Asia ] ] seems like a convenient myth perpetuated by European historians eager to attribute Hinduism's greatest artifact to non-Indians. For this reason, the "[ [ Aryan Invasion Theory ] ] debate" in India has strong political overtones, and Feuerstein ''et al'' 's theory is thus welcomed by many Indians as an alternative to current theories.
Changes to:The "[ [ Aryan Invasion Theory ] ] debate" in India has strong political overtones, and Feuerstein ''et al'' 's theory is to be seen in this context as a work of [ [ Hindutva ] ] [ [ ideology ] ].
[ [ :Category:Hindutva ] ]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indigenous_Aryans&diff=prev&oldid=113825278 [ [ David Frawley ] ] who sees the origin of all world civilizations in Northern India, 10,000 - 6,000 BCE. civilizations derive from India, represented e.g. by [ [ David Frawley ] ] or [ [ Graham Hancock ] ]<ref>related to [ [ pseudoarchaeology|pseudoarchaeological ] ] fantasies involving "[ [ Ruins in the Gulf of Cambay ] ]"; c.f. Witzel (2006:230, note 57)</ref>

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:In_Search_of_the_Cradle_of_Civilization&diff=prev&oldid=116747705 um, this is a classical case of national mysticism, and the classification is well referenced. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 10:18, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:In_Search_of_the_Cradle_of_Civilization&diff=prev&oldid=116751853 :::maybe you would care to back up your claim that "Sokal attacks all Hindus"? Are ''you'' saying every Hindu believes in pseudoscientific nonsense and indulges in mob violence, or are you saying Sokal says this? Based on ''your'' presumed edit history of trolling and edit warring, I am assuming the former, I must say. Yes, Sokal is anti-religion (not anti-Hindu in particular, saying "he attacks all Hindus" is like accusing someone who said "I don't like television" of attacking the BBC), and he attacks this book because it presents religious fundamentalism in the guise of "scholarship". You may be "anti-religion" like Sokal, or "pro-religion", or you may have no opinion on the matter, but this doesn't change the fact that this book ''does'' misrepresent religious sentiment as "scholarship". Remember that this book is not openly about Hinduism at all. It pretends to discuss "Ancient India". Sokal
exposes that it is in fact about ideological currents in Hinduism, something that you seem to take for granted, but the reader may not have your background knowledge on the topic. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 10:37, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=In_Search_of_the_Cradle_of_Civilization&diff=prev&oldid=116735966 Comment:POV, one-sided.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=In_Search_of_the_Cradle_of_Civilization&diff=prev&oldid=119670053 the book is exemplary of a series of ideological [ [ Hindutva ] ] [ [ Historical revisionism (negationism)|revisionist ] ] literature appearing since the 1990s, and has only been reviewed academically as such (in the "Hindu nationalism and 'Vedic science'" chapter of Sokal 2006). [ [ :Category:National mysticism ] ]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=David_Frawley&action=historysubmit&diff=399790677&oldid=339902102
A lot more propaganda against Frawley and removals by Dbachmann. In the lead he adds:
In publications such as ''[[In Search of the Cradle of Civilization]]'' (1995), Frawley has also defended theories of [[historical revisionism]] advocating the "[[Indigenous Aryans]]" ideology popular in [[Hindu nationalism]].

Removes various links:
*[http://www.yogachicago.com/may01/choprafrawley.shtml Frawley and Deepak Chopra in Dialogue]
*[http://www.yogachicago.com/jul04/frawley.shtml Frawley: Reuniting Yoga and Ayurveda]
=== Frawley on Indian history ===
*[http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_history/ancient/aryan/aryan_frawley_1.html The Aryan-Dravidian Controversy] Article by David Frawley
*{{cite paper | author=Frawley, David | title=Witzel's vanishing ocean - How to read vedic texts any way you like |year=2002 | url=http://voiceofdharma.org/indology/ReplytoWitzel.html }}
*{{cite paper | author=Kazanas, Nicholas | title=Rigvedic town and ocean: Witzel vs Frawley |year=2002 | url=http://www.omilosmeleton.gr/english/documents/RigVedicTownandOcean.pdf |format=PDF}} Article by Kazanas (pdf)
===Video links===
* [http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2946504203837402171 David Frawley Interview]



http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=David_Frawley&diff=399790315&oldid=399789267
He removes quotes and changes the accurate sentence:
In books such as ''[[The Myth of the Aryan Invasion of India]]'' and ''[[In Search of the Cradle of Civilization]]'', Frawley criticizes the 19th century [[Racial groups in India (historical definitions)|racial interpretations of Indian prehistory]], such as the theory of a conflict between invading [[Aryan race|caucasoid Aryans]] and Dravidians.<ref>Arvidsson 2006:298 Arvidsson, Stefan (2006), Aryan Idols: Indo-European Mythology as Ideology and Science, translated by Sonia Wichmann, Chicago and London: The University of Chicago Press.</ref>

to the one reflecting Dbachmann's own opinion:

In essays and books such as ''[[In Search of the Cradle of Civilization]]'' (1995), Frawley endorses the "[[Indigenous Aryans]]" scenario propagated in [[Hindu nationalism]] during the 1990s.<ref>Arvidsson 2006:298 Arvidsson, Stefan (2006), Aryan Idols: Indo-European Mythology as Ideology and Science, translated by Sonia Wichmann, Chicago and London: The University of Chicago Press.</ref>




== Shrikant G. Talageri ==

(Biography of a Living Person article)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shrikant_G._Talageri&diff=22259499&oldid=22213961 His views are related to [ [ Hindutva|nationalist hinduism ] ] and critics consider his works to border on [ [ pseudoscience ] ].

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Rigveda:_A_Historical_Analysis&diff=22895220&oldid=22328781 [ [ :Category:Hindutva ] ]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shrikant_G._Talageri&diff=prev&oldid=112076329
Comment:wants to merge book

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shrikant_G._Talageri&diff=prev&oldid=118223496 (wants to merge/delete Talageri's book)


== Nicholas Kazanas ==

(Biography of a Living Person article)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nicholas_Kazanas&diff=111603020&oldid=90054434 {{dated prod|concern = {{{concern|unnotable, article created to push fringecruft}}}|month = February|day = 28|year = 2007|time = 15:42|timestamp = 20070228154248}} He has published a papers suggesting an [ [ Out of India ] ] scenario for Proto-Indo-European in [ [ JIES ] ], which has met with devastating criticism from mainstream academia. He is personally acquainted with [ [ Subhash Kak ] ], another amateur author who like Kazanas publishes prolifically his "[ [ Indigenous Aryans ] ]" views.
Comment:Wants to delete the article with "Prod". At the same time he modifies the lead and claims that Kazanas has only a Master's degree. Dbachmann wanted to delete the articles of a number of Hindu scholars, including also Rajiv Malhotra, Stephen Knapp, Nicholas Kazanas, Shrikant Talageri, Vishal Agarwal, .... and most book articles from Hindu scholars.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Nicholas_Kazanas&diff=prev&oldid=112037776 "biography article" on a WP:NPF teacher who published a couple of papers. Created to push ideological fringecruft. Kazanas' notability can be fully addressed in the articles on the subjects treated in his papers (out of India and indigenous Aryans). dab (&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) 09:26, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Comment:Nominates for deletion. One of the reasons is his claim that Kazanas has only a Master's degree, which he added in the article previously

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Nicholas_Kazanas&diff=prev&oldid=112068556
Comment:One of the reasons for deletion is his claim that Kazanas has only a Master's degree, which he added in the article previously.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Nicholas_Kazanas&diff=prev&oldid=112792763 *he does not. the ''phonebook'' is a reliable secondary source, yet we don't allow articles on anyone just on grounds of being listed in the phonebook. That Kazanas is the "main proponent" of the "Out of India" theory speaks volumes about the notability of ''that'', but this is the Kazanas AfD, not the OIT one. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 12:04, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Comment:Secondary reviews of Kazaans' work by JP Mallory, Asko Parpola and his favorite Witzel are now "phonebook" references.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nicholas_Kazanas&diff=prev&oldid=150612411

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nicholas_Kazanas&diff=prev&oldid=117006755Comment:The Article for Deletion result was KEEP, and nomitated the article for deletion himself. He redirects (deletes) the article to "Out of India" after the AFD.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nicholas_Kazanas&diff=prev&oldid=118503157
Comment:The Article for Deletion result was KEEP, and nomitated the article for deletion himself. He wants to redirect (delete) the article to "Out of India" after the AFD.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Indo-Aryan_migration&diff=prev&oldid=118225738 :indeed. It has long transpired that Kazanas is Subhash Kak's meatpuppet. If he was at least an expert in anything we could cite him regardless of this, but so far we only know that he runs a Yoga institute in Greece and allegedly has a M.A. in something. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 10:19, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nicholas_Kazanas&diff=prev&oldid=118464109 (deletes facts)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nicholas_Kazanas&diff=prev&oldid=118502895 unprotects an article where he was himself edit-warring with another editor

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Out_of_India_theory&diff=prev&oldid=120233467 :JIES offered a fringe author the possibility to state his case. After three issues, they had to close the debate, since he was obviously impervious to rational criticism. We can well state that Kazanas brouht up the OIT thing in JIES and was torn apart, if only to document that the 1990s "recent evidence" presented by VoI has left no impression whatsoever on academic mainstream. This doesn't qualify Kazanas as an academic or scholar in his own right. He is a painfully obivous <s>sockpuppet</s> proxy of S. Kak et al., and it is no coincidence that he keeps a homepage on voi.org. He's just a member of the gang. He stated their case in JIES and was shot down, end of story. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 14:09, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Other authors and Biography of a Living Person articles

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Indo-Aryan_migration&diff=prev&oldid=112038910 yes, Lal is a ''comparably'' reasonable voice (which isn't saying much with all the pseudoscience flying around). But of course I cannot vouch that he never proffered nonsense. I haven't seen him claim "5th millennium Sanskrit", which would be supreme nonsense of course, and I think this is just once again you misreading your sources. He quite reasonably says that the Harappan culture has its roots in the 5th millennium, and he ''comparatively'' reasonably dates the RV to "before 2000 BC" (based on a single(!) verse saying "Sarasvati flows to the Sea", which is blatant naivete to any philologist) which is "only" some 500 years before its accepted date. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 09:35, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Indo-Aryan_migration&diff=prev&oldid=112844654 :Rudra is quite right, Bakaman's selective policy-awareness nonwithstanding. He still has the sanity to wrap it in conditionals, but this statement clearly puts Lal in the loony camp. "a language called Sanskrit", heh. By the same argument, you can prove that the Sumerians really spoke Aramaean. Shame on any archaeologist who argues nonsense like that, even if he never saw a linguistics textbook in his life. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 17:25, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Indigenous_Aryans&diff=prev&oldid=113340640

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Indigenous_Aryans&diff=prev&oldid=113391836

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sita_Ram_Goel&diff=prev&oldid=118482692 as well as two decipherment claims of the [ [ Indus script ] ] as encoding Sanskrit or Indo-Aryan, by [ [ S. R. Rao ] ]<ref>Dawn and Devolution of the Indus Civilisation (Aditya Prakashan, Delhi 1992)</ref> and N. Jha and [ [ N. S. Rajaram ] ]<ref>The Deciphered Indus Script: Methodology, Readings, Interpretations, Aditya Prakashan, 2000 [ http://www.indiastar.com/wallia27.htm ]; review: "[ http://www.flonnet.com/fl1720/17200040.htm Horseplay in Harappa ]" by Witzel and Farmer</ref>
Comment:Propagandistic/one-sided POV that is unrelated to the biography article.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Biblia_Impex_India&diff=prev&oldid=118515214 (POV)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eminent_Historians:_Their_Technology,_Their_Line,_Their_Fraud&action=history
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=A_Secular_Agenda&diff=226410326&oldid=162939872

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vishal_Agarwal&diff=prev&oldid=119260427 , http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vishal_Agarwal&diff=prev&oldid=119482944 (wants to delete article)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vishal_Agarwal&diff=prev&oldid=119664412 , http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vishal_Agarwal&diff=prev&oldid=119679135

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vishal_Agarwal&diff=prev&oldid=119679283 In fact the Visa steel plant director turns out to be the rather more notable Vishal Agarwal than our Hindutva zealot. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 08:52, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bias_in_education&diff=prev&oldid=119682673 Deletes References (edit summary: rm lobbyist literature)

==Arun Shourie==
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Arun_Shourie&diff=569857754&oldid=561211981
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=A_Secular_Agenda&diff=226410326&oldid=162939872
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eminent_Historians:_Their_Technology,_Their_Line,_Their_Fraud&diff=226409626&oldid=226298281
Dbachman deletes article on book critical of dishonest scholarship and censorship

== Subhash Kak ==

(Biography of a Living Person article)

General Comments: Biography of a living person article. Compare his behaviour at this article to his behaviour at Michael Witzel. BLP policy matters more for Witzel than for Kak apparently.
(Dbachmann uses an interview as source, it's a WP:BLP, so WP:PRIMARY sources are out - that would include interviews with him, unless reliable secondary sources have comment on it. )

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Subhash_Kak&diff=30477341&oldid=27679773 The co-authored ''In Search of the Cradle of Civilization'' (1995) participates in [ [ Hindutva ] ] polemics on the origins of Indian culture.
Edit summary:&#xE2;&#x80;&#x9C;the guy is a hindutva kook. Can we say *that* in the article please, if he is all that notable?&#xE2;&#x80;&#x9D;

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Subhash_Kak&diff=8489199&oldid=4888562 Probably the whole article should be removed, or reduced to 2 sentences; Mr. Kak, I think it is bad style to write an enthusiastic article about your own person!

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Subhash_Kak&diff=109061949&oldid=108746775 hm, Mel, it is not conceivable that Jagged 85 is Kak. Jagged is ''far'' too active on Wikipedia and clearly a bona fide Wikipedian. Kak ''does'' visit Wikipedia in spells, but never does a lot of editing outside touting his own person. As for Kal's "fame", it's just that Kak has apparently figured out the weakness of contemporary academia. You just keep bombarding journals with your articles, and after a while, people will accept you as an authority just because your name keeps coming up with google. After this, your "fame" is self-perpetuating, you don't even need to build a coherent case on anything. He may be a decent cryptographer, but seeing his tactics in fields were he is an amateur, I begin to doubt even that. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 13:07, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Subhash_Kak&diff=37666088&oldid=37613053 so what does it take to be described as a "philosopher" on Wikipedia? He seems to self-describe as a philosopher (and generally as a genius), and I suspect the statement above is Kak's own. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|('''&#5839;''') ] ]</small> 12:27, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Quantum_mind&diff=prev&oldid=109628480 removes Kak
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Multiverse_%28science%29&diff=prev&oldid=109627367 removes Kak
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Architecture_of_Knowledge&diff=prev&oldid=110811514 redirects article to Subhash Kak
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Decimal_sequences_for_cryptography&diff=prev&oldid=110816374 redirects/deletes article
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kak%27s_three_stage_protocol&diff=prev&oldid=110811679 redirects article
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Quantum_error_correction&diff=prev&oldid=109626928 removes Kak
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kak_neural_network&diff=prev&oldid=110811360 redirects article
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Etymology_of_the_names_of_India&diff=102029620&oldid=101099571
Comment: Dbachmann removes references to Kak in some articles
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Astronomical_Code_of_the_Rigveda&diff=prev&oldid=110811126 redirects article to Subhash Kak (the article had no "merge" in the previous version)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kashmiri_literature&diff=110813330&oldid=110631047 deletes many writers, among them Subhash Kak
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vyasa&diff=prev&oldid=110813557 deletes paragraph and reference because the reference is S. Kak
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sayana&diff=110828737&oldid=106463504 deletes S. Kak reference
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speed_of_light&diff=110855738&oldid=110586134 deletes S.Kak reference
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Light&diff=prev&oldid=110812724 deletes S.Kak reference
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Scientific_phenomena_named_after_people&diff=prev&oldid=110811315 deletes reference to Kak
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Artificial_neural_network&diff=prev&oldid=110811263 deletes reference to Kak
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Parallel_universe_%28fiction%29&diff=prev&oldid=110812975 deletes reference because it is a Kak paper.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Astronomical_Code_of_the_Rigveda&diff=51250049&oldid=49565991 As a work of [ [ numerology ] ] and [ [ archaeoastronomy ] ], it has little or no acceptance in mainstream Indology
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Astronomical_Code_of_the_Rigveda&diff=108050348&oldid=107341397 Kim Plofker, Review of Kak (1994), ''Centaurus'' 38 (1996), 362-364.[ http://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0010&L=indology&D=0&P=35607 ][ http://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0010&L=indology&D=0&P=35709 ]</ref> as futile, since it is based on the structure of the Rigveda as redacted by [ [ Shakalya ] ] in the late [ [ Brahmana ] ] period, not anything intrinsic in the oldest portions of the text.
Comment:Pfloker's is a negative review, Pfloker could be contradicted by other reviews?

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Mankind_Quarterly&diff=110068634&oldid=69544080
Adds:
===New Right, unite!===
{{see|Aryan_Invasion_Theory_%28history_and_controversies%29#Later_racialised_theories}}
it is very funny to see Alain de Benoist and Subhash Kak united as contributors in a racist/nationalist journal: their outlook is really comparable, ethnic nationalism paired with mythic fantasies of noble "Aryan" forbears, just that Benoist of course places the Proto-Indo-Europeans in Europe, while Kak places them in India, each implying, I suppose, concentric circles of racial degradation around the original homeland. This makes them 100% related in terms of their mindset, and 100% opposed in its application to geography [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 14:22, 22 February 2007 (UTC)Comment:So Kak is a Nazi?

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Subhash_Kak&diff=next&oldid=109063093 Especially, seeing how perfectly informed you are on all things Kak, I put it to you, are you, in fact, Subhash Kak or an associate of his? ..Especially, if you argue that Plofker's review concerns an ''obsolete'' (apparently, Kak has ''changed his mind'' concerning the 7th millennium, then?), feel free to add academic reviews of the ''current'' edition. To my mind, anyone capable of publishing with a straight face nonsense like 7th millennium Indo-Aryans, does not really require to be reviewed any further.
Comment:The book by Kak does not claim 7th millennium Indo-Aryans (ask dab for the page number)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Subhash_Kak&diff=108282451&oldid=108253485 (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Subhash_Kak&diff=108050025&oldid=108049393, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Subhash_Kak&diff=108049393&oldid=107261026) His [ [ archaeoastronomy|archaeoastronomical ] ] claims in his ''[ [ The Astronomical Code of the Rigveda ] ]'' (1994) are to the effect of vastly extending the [ [ Vedic period ] ], postulating the arrival of ethnic Indo-Aryans to the 7th millennium BC, which has earned the book scathing reviews by Indologists<ref>Michael Witzel, "Autochthonous Aryans? The Evidence from Old Indian and Iranian Texts," [ http://www1.shore.net/~india/ejvs/ejvs0703/ejvs0703d.txt ''Electronic Journal of Vedic Studies,'' Vol. 7 (2001) issue 3 (May), &#xC2;&#xA7;28 ]</ref> and historians of science.<ref>Kim Plofker, Review of Kak (1994), ''Centaurus'' 38 (1996), 362-364.[ http://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0010&L=indology&D=0&P=35607 ][ http://listserv.
linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0010&L=indology&D=0&P=35709 ]</ref> .. His co-authored ''[ [ In Search of the Cradle of Civilization ] ]'' (1995) led to an intensification of the polemics on the origins of Indian culture and supported the [ [ Out of India theory ] ].<ref>[ [ Edwin Bryant ] ], [ [ The Quest for the Origins of Vedic Culture ] ]: The Indo-Aryan Migration Debate. Oxford University Press, 2001.</ref> In the same and earlier edits, he deletes positive reviews on Kak.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Subhash_Kak&diff=prev&oldid=110129697 consistent with what we've come to expect, "The secrets of Ishbar" on amazon has two anonymous readers, coincidentially identified by the same handle "A reader", touting it unanimously as "a masterpiece". dab (&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) 19:20, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Comment:This must have been Kak! There are 100'000's of search results for "Reviewer: A reader" at Amazon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Subhash_Kak&diff=prev&oldid=110125409 deletes part of bibliography

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Subhash_Kak&diff=prev&oldid=110128600 He co-authored ''[ [ In Search of the Cradle of Civilization ] ]'' (1995) fuelling the polemics in [ [ Indian politics ] ] surrounding [ [ Indigenous Aryans ] ] and thg [ [ Out of India theory ] ].<ref>[ [ Edwin Bryant ] ], [ [ The Quest for the Origins of Vedic Culture ] ]: The Indo-Aryan Migration Debate. Oxford University Press, 2001.</ref>

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Subhash_Kak&diff=prev&oldid=110133737 and http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Subhash_Kak&diff=prev&oldid=112346422 Politically, he takes a staunchly [ [ jingoist ] ] stance, endorsing Indian "nuclear deterrance" against China, denouncing "socialist ideas" in the [ [ Indian constitution ] ], the "Soviet-style ideas of the [ [ Congress party ] ]" and "terrorists from across the [ Pakistani ] border".<ref>2002 pbs.org interview [ http://www.pbs.org/wnet/wideangle/shows/india/debate1.html ]
[ http://www.pbs.org/wnet/wideangle/shows/india/debate3.html ]</ref>
Comment: This all in the first paragraph of the article. The source is maybe not a reliable/notable source, and he misrepresents them.
Kak does not say he endorses nuclear deterrance, but says only:India has pursued its nuclear ambitions for a variety of geopolitical reasons including that of a deterrence against China.
I didn't find a denoucment of the ""socialist ideas" in the [ [ Indian constitution ]") at the link, but it may be there somewhere.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Subhash_Kak&diff=prev&oldid=112346422 While his contributions to [ [ cryptography ] ] and [ [ quantum information ] ] processing have only been minimal, he also publishes on various topics such as the [ [ history of science|history ] ] and [ [ philosophy of science ] ], [ [ History of astronomy|ancient astronomy ] ], and [ [ history of mathematics ] ], and is notable for his contributions to the topic of "[ [ Indigenous Aryans ] ]". He has been called "one of the leading intellectual luminaries of the Hindu-nationalist diaspora" by [ [ Alan Sokal ] ] (2006).[ http://www.pbs.org/wnet/wideangle/shows/india/debate3.html ]</ref>

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Subhash_Kak&diff=150787935&oldid=prev


http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Subhash_Kak&diff=prev&oldid=110590042 I think we've pretty much solved this now. This isn't publishing, it's guerilla warfare.

http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Diskussion%3ASubhash_Kak&diff=11416279&oldid=7282947 (probably Dbachmann, see http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spezial:Beitr%C3%A4ge/83.78.182.199 and http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gothi&diff=30451058&oldid=28199527)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Subhash_Kak&diff=prev&oldid=110816757 ok, I've done a few merges. We'll need to look out for future creation of Kakiana-cruft, Kak appears to have made a habit letting Wikipedia know of pretty much every new paper he puts out... [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 12:37, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Subhash_Kak&diff=prev&oldid=114362412, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Subhash_Kak&diff=prev&oldid=114508213, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Subhash_Kak&diff=prev&oldid=114367017 (rv. Kak's main notability, belongs in intro.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Subhash_Kak&diff=prev&oldid=114372900 ::please fix it then... we do have enough material for an independent [ [ Hindutva pseudoscience ] ] by now, and should discuss this topic in context there. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 20:32, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Subhash_Kak&diff=prev&oldid=114400565 ::Blasphemer! Kak is a fount of couplets immortal, like ''[ http://www.indiastar.com/kak10poems.html The sparrow that built its nest / feeds the chicks without rest ]'', putting Kalidasa himself to shame. (oh dear, I will always think of Borges in tennis skirts now when I hear Kak's name...) [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 22:35, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Subhash_Kak&diff=prev&oldid=114508844 I believe, since Professor Kak so delights in having things named after him, he'd be pleased if we should coin a new term for his lyrical work, which clearly stands as a class of its own, ''[ [ :wikt:kakopoeia|Kakopoeia ] ]''. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 10:07, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Subhash_Kak&diff=prev&oldid=114551475 Estonian? Dear sir, it is pure Greek. Seeing the prodigious talents of the professor, I assume it is only a matter of time before he takes up the [ [ :wikt:&#xCE;&#xBA;&#xCE;&#xB1;&#xCE;&#xBA;&#xCE;&#xBF;&#xCF;&#x86;&#xCF;&#x89;&#xCE;&#x153;&#xCE;&#xAF;&#xCE;&#xB1;|musical arts ] ]? It is an astounding feat that a single man should be able to tackle so many diverse subjects, and yet not rise above mediocrity in a single one! [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 14:55, 12 March 2007 (UTC) ( what do you get if you cross a kook and a quack?)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Freedom_skies/Evidence&diff=prev&oldid=117261704 :this is blooming nonsense: [ [ Subhash Kak ] ] is professor of ''Electrical Engineering'' with a predilection for ideological dabbling in fields where he is an amateur. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 11:36, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Subhash_Kak&diff=prev&oldid=117264308 He is notable for publications outside of his field, , from an India-centric "[ [ Indigenous Aryans ] ]" ideology, in which Sokal discusses pseudoscientific aspects of [ [ Hindutva ] ] ideology, under which he includes of some of Kak's work.are steeped in the ethnocentric "[ [ Indigenous Aryans ] ]" ideology,but found a supporter in German Indologist [ [ Klaus Klostermaier ] ])"
Deletes:These sequences have fairly good [ [ autocorrelation ] ] properties ..and also for real data if some small additional processing is allowed. ..Although it is also open to the [ [ Man in the middle attack|man-in-the-middle attacks ] ] like the BB type of quantum cryptography protocols, it uses only quantum transformations which makes it quite different from other systems.
See also
*[ [ Fashionable Nonsense ] ]


http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Indian_astronomy&diff=157362677&oldid=157357466 rudra's "deKakification" was not a personal attack, but a call to remove crank sources, such as Kak and Frawley, from this article. This is a serious topic of the history of science, and [ [ WP:UNDUE ] ] applies for non-peer-reviewed sources. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(ð' ³) ] ]</small> 12:20, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Subhash Kak Part 2

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Subhash_Kak&diff=109269257&oldid=109222081 He has also claimed to have "resolved the [ [ twin paradox ] ]". Comment:This is based on a press release not written by Kak, probably not a reliable source.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Subhash_Kak&diff=109139046&oldid=109138890 According to state-of-the-art physics, there is nothing unresolved about the so-called [ [ twin paradox ] ], and a vast majority of theoretical physicists considers Kak's statements meaningless.
Comment:Based on poor source (press release), and no source for "meaningless"

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Subhash_Kak&diff=109122939&oldid=109121769 indeed. For our purposes, I am still glad he published this thing, since of course we have more Wikipedia editors capable of recognizing BS in the field of physics than in the field of Vedic studies, so this is likely to add some context. Anyone who solves mysteries of ancient Vedic astronomy, and then goes on to "solve the twin paradox" will, I should think, be screaming "crank" at any editor with only the dimmest background knowledge in these fields :) [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xEF;&#xBF;&#x153;) ] ]</small> 19:16, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dbachmann&diff=prev&oldid=109311287 I have to admit I feel rather gleeful about this myself :) [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>
[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 15:03, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Subhash_Kak&diff=prev&oldid=110274955 Anyway, most journals have a crappy article now and again, just because Kak got to publish in IJTP doesn't automatically mean the journal is bad. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 07:36, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Subhash_Kak&diff=prev&oldid=110332382 we should do an [ [ International Journal of Theoretical Physics ] ] then (and document that study you mention, too, under [ [ Peer review ] ]!) Any given paper still needs to be considered for its own merits of course. But this does of course streamline well with the rest of our "Kakiana" here. Kak must be something like unofficial world champion of said "loophole in contemporary science". [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 14:42, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Subhash_Kak&diff=prev&oldid=110335663 but I begin to wonder, what sort of joint is [ [ Louisiana State University ] ] if "one of our professors got an article published in some minor journal" prompts an enthusiastic press release(?!?) [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Subhash_Kak I am sorry, you are not making sense. How is any of this "mutually exclusive"? The connection is obvious. You want nucular deterrence of Pakistan because you believe in "Indigenous Aryans" threatened by Muslim invaders. The point is that Kak is not an Indologist. His "Indological writings" are suffused with his political agenda. Why would Wikipedia even bother to report the political views of a Louisiana computer scientist if it wasn't for his "Indological" publications? We do not have enough material to fill an entire "politics" section. All we have is that interview, which at present is cited in order to put his "Indological" views into perspective. We may consider renaming the section in question. (Dab uses a harmless interview http://www.pbs.org/wnet/wideangle/shows/india/debate1.html from which he makes his predefined conjectures (original research), the reference would not be a reliable source in other wikipedia articles.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Subhash_Kak&diff=prev&oldid=110395839 :hah, so the local English teacher was really impressed with the local Vedic -whiz-kid-slash-poet-prince's latest foray into theoretical physics. The "scientific community" will be eternally grateful for the Louisiana breakthrough in understanding Einstein, I am sure :) (in reality, the release was written by Kak himself, of course. The wording is exactly his style, I know, I've honed my skills with Wikipedia sockpuppetry :) Poor Mr. Bertholet's role was just to say "ok", that's journalism for you, I think we should categorize Kak above all as a public relations expert - he would have been a great success in that line of work (as opposed to a "[ [ Potemkin village|potemkin ] ]" success) ) [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 19:02, 23 February 2007 (UTC) 19:21, 23 February 2007)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Subhash_Kak&diff=prev&oldid=111834216 is notable for his contributions to the [ [ Hindu nationalist ] ] topic of "[ [ Indigenous Aryans ] ]"....Kak consequently takes a staunchly [ [ jingoist ] ] stance politically,

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Subhash_Kak&diff=prev&oldid=113304232 (POV, selective quoting, see also Talkpage)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Subhash_Kak&diff=prev&oldid=113306802 (deletions, adds single pov)

==Voice of India==
(the article was also protected by Dbachmann himself for months, even though he is one of the warring parties)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dbachmann&diff=prev&oldid=118282948 Wants to merge/redirect the book articles of books by Koenraad Elst.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Update_on_the_Aryan_Invasion_Debate&diff=prev&oldid=118498021 wants to merge/redirect book

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Voice_of_India&diff=119937871&oldid=119935629 seeing the nature of the firm as a lobbyist platform rather than a bona fide publishing house

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Voice_of_India&oldid=118303326 It is notable for books supportive of Hindu nationalist (Hindutva) sentiment, Together with Aditya Prakashan, founded by Goel in 1963, it is a major outlet for the revival of "communalist" Hindu revisionism and propaganda since the 1980s, targeting a nostalgic audience of expatriate Indians in the USA in particular.
Comment: also adds information about the Internet domain and the name of the owner of the website. Since when do wikipedia pages about publishing houses include such information?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Voice_of_India
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Voice_of_India&diff=119046004&oldid=118745420 Adds long "racist", irrational pov quote without also adding any opinion/response by Hindus
[ [ :Category:Propaganda in India ] ]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Voice_of_India&diff=119312612&oldid=119295819 , http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Voice_of_India&diff=119454800&oldid=119423727 , http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Voice_of_India&diff=prev&oldid=121002796

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Voice_of_India&diff=prev&oldid=136804361 "VOI Propaganda"

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Voice_of_India&diff=179388843&oldid=179384169
Deletes an important Hindu reply and Hindu opinion from the article: The Greek Indologist Nicholas Kazanas, in a reply to Witzel, wrote: "One wonders too at the relevance of his next rather irrational comment: â EURO oeIronically, many of those expressing these anti-migrational views are emigrants themselves, engineers or technocrats like N S Rajaram, S Kak and S Kalyanaramam, who ship their ideas to India from US shoresâ EURO . What indeed has this absurd statement to do with facts and evidence?â EURO | Then, it continues in the same tone of irrelevance and contempt, forgetting how many Universities and Journals spend enormous funds on useless hypotheses and ostracise all non-immigrationists: â EURO oeThey find allies in a broader assortment of home-grown nationalists including university professors, bank employees, and politicians (S. S. Misra, S. Talageri, K. D. Sethna, S. P. Gupta, Bh. Singh, M. Shendge, Bh. Gidwani, P. Chaudhuri, A. Shourie, S. R. Goel). They have even gained a small but vocal following in the West among "New Age"
writers or researchers outside mainstream scholarship, including D. Frawley, G. Feuerstein, K. Klostermaier, and K. Elst. Whole publishing firms, such as the Voice of India and Aditya Prakashan, are devoted to propagating their ideasâ EURO . Here two further points are worthy of note: first, Prof Witzel obviously does not know what â EURO oeNew Ageâ EURO writers are; second, the whole passage has the shrill tones of McCarthyism or any totalitarian dogmatism (and censorship). Instead of emitting such strident emotional cries and witch-hunt slogans, Prof Witzel and his followers had better re-examine their unfounded linguistic assumptions and recall the words of Edmund Leach, who was neither an Indian nationalist technocrat, nor a New-Age writer, but a solid, mainstream pillar of the academic establishment. The RV Date - a Postscript', by N Kazanas. Athens, Greece.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Voice_of_India&diff=prev&oldid=121280994 it's a real world socio-political controversy spilling over into scholarship, and we are ''reporting'' on scholars protesting bad faith pseudoscholarly publicity stunts. Wikipedia is indeed a vehicle to elaborate on political disputes and conflicts (have you ever taken a glance at [ [ Israeli-Palestinian conflict ] ]? At all? [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 22:28, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Voice_of_India&diff=prev&oldid=121497606 There is this publishing company, owned by a well-known author of political titles in the Muslim vs. Hindu row in Indian politics, and it has put out a dozen titles or two of historical revisionism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Archaeology_of_Ayodhya&diff=160934820&oldid=151451266 removes book, replaces it with Frontline article, and link to "Nationalism and ancient history"

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Indian_astronomy&diff=159133938&oldid=159113617 Kak can blow your mind just by his tenacious imperturbability :) I think the point is that in the 1990s, when this was all just scattered fringe literature, nobody anticipated just how much criminal energy the VoI authors would invest into orchestrating this, and academia only started to take note when the whole edifice was in place, at or around 2001. That's 6 years ago now, and things have pretty much fallen back into place. This whole thing raised its head and died within Wikipedia's lifetime... [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(ð' ³) ] ]</small> 09:33, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Rosamaple&diff=prev&oldid=119946440 The people who "mix scholarship with pathetic politics" are [ [ Voice of India ] ] (off-wiki) and [ [ User:Dbachmann/Wikipedia and nationalism|assorted sock artists ] ] (on-wiki), and I am doing what I can to prevent their undermining Wikipedia. You are welcome to help. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 11:18, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Koenraad Elst
(wants to delete all his book articles)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Koenraad_Elst&diff=prev&oldid=149533074
have long wondered why Elst would ridicule himself by playing the Hindutvadis' meatpuppet, until I realized that the connection is a mutual dislike of Islam. Hindutva meets Dutch anti-Islamism, that's what they call an "unholy alliance" I suppose :) But I really wonder why these people couldn't just be anti-Islamic like everyone else, without fabricating all the bogus Bronze Age scholarship. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(ð' ³) ] ]</small> 12:53, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Koenraad_Elst
alright, so it turns out Elst is up to his knees in the Flemish New Right. I don't know how this could have been missed for so long. He co-edited the neo-fascist TEKOS journal[ http://www.geocities.com/vlaamsbedrog/waw/tekos_waw.html ] from 1992, together with "pagan high priest" [ [ Koenraad Logghe ] ], whom he joined at the "[ [ World Congress of Ethnic Religions ] ] [ http://wcer.org/members/sasia/india/definitions.htm ], a European neopagan network which suddenly in 2001 developed ties to [ [ Vishva Hindu Parishad ] ] [ http://wcer.org/congress/2001cong.htm ]. Here another interesting page on Elst[ http://ca.geocities.com/zydenbos2001/z2elst.html ]. Most of the sources on this are in Dutch, but it turns out that Elst acted as "Islam expert" for the [ [ Vlaams Blok ] ], appearing as "guest speaker" at Neo-Nazi conferences. This surely puts Elst's eccentric "Indology" into perspective: as an attempt at uniting ultra-right Flemish neopagans and ultra-right Hindus in their fight against Islam. In the light
of all this, it is crystal clear that Elst is a neo-nazi or neo-fascist by any other name. At least his editorial involvement with TeKoS is a verifiable matter of record. His ''[ http://koenraadelst.bharatvani.org/articles/dutch/islamvoorongel1.html Islam voor Ongelovigen ]'' is a florilegium of his TeKoS articles on Islam 1989-94. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(ð' ³) ] ]</small> 11:49, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Koenraad_Elst&diff=prev&oldid=182166938

Again smears Elst as a Fascist:
you say "synthesis" but what you mean is that you are going to nitpick until you successfully obfuscate the fact that Elst has his sympathies equally divided between Neo-Fascism, Flemish nationalist Islamophobia and Hindu nationalism. --dab 12:35, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Koenraad_Elst&diff=prev&oldid=557479720 (an edit by an admin removing "claims" made by Dab (and TwoHorned))
Dab likes to play the "race card" when it suits him, making all kind of dubious smears against Elst (and Hindus) of alleged facism/racism/nazism. The next day he complains about left-wing influence wikipedia on articles like Scientific racism.
Dab as usal makes policital allegations everwhere he can, he also claims that the AIT has only been considered in India in very modern times, probably starting with Swami Dayananda. In reality, it was imported to India from Europe, and Hindus simply had to react to it. It was not an issue in Hinduism because no other version than that the Aryans were always in India was ever known before.

Stephen Knapp
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stephen_Knapp&diff=156891412&oldid=156235772

Vivekananda
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Swami_Vivekananda&diff=155581686&oldid=144706637 User:dab, Please discuss here why you feel that the sentence "He is a major figure in Hinduism and India" is a tall claim.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dbachmann&diff=prev&oldid=119239654 Vivekananda's quote is classical pseudoscience, and he is in the article because the current propaganda artists take recourse to his stuff. I really don't see a problem. The article has been AfDd three times now, on no other grounds than [ [ WP:IDONTLIKEIT ] ]. You know how it works: find an academic review of Sokal and Meera, and we'll add it. That will be the only way forward. Allegations that the article attacks a religious community are empty. The "Voice of Dharma" crowd decided to masquerade their ideology as scholarship, and as a result they will have to accept that their material is criticised as if it had been scholarship. If they had never pretended to voice anything but religious or devotional musings, there would be no need to discuss pseudoscience. As it happens, Wikipedia has been under attack for two years by people who push these fantasies as if it were scholarship, and it is necessary to draw a line per [ [
WP:FRINGE ] ]. I wouldn't dream of ridiculing religious piety, but claiming the ancient rishis harnessed nuclear power in 7000 BC etc. for me falls rather outside the category of mere piety. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 10:26, 31 March 2007 (UTC)


== Michael Witzel ==

Comment: Compare this with the Subhash Kak and Nicholas Kazanas articles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dbachmann&diff=prev&oldid=32907458 (Witzel writes to Dbachmann)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Michael_E._J._Witzel&diff=32713535&oldid=32699118 well, his critics ''are'' nationalist. I don't think this is disputed. I have no idea what Marxism has to do with anything here. This is not about Indian politics, it is about an Indologist doing Indology regardless of Indian politics. ..I agree that the "flamewar" external links are less than notable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rig_Veda&diff=12251475&oldid=12251407 the "flamewar" external links which he later finds non-notable were orignially added by dab at Rigveda

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Michael_E._J._Witzel&diff=32974574&oldid=32926180 Something, for some reason, these Hindutva scohlars seem to delight in, what with denouncing British colonialists for imperialistic views etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Michael_E._J._Witzel&diff=32721559&oldid=32718315 you must be kidding, that's about as far from npov as it gets. Which are you disputing, that Witzel is an academic (hello, Harvard?), or that his opponents are nationalist? Maybe it is too sweeping to imply that they are ''all'' nationalist?

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Michael_E._J._Witzel&diff=32721993&oldid=32721559 Talageri's criticism is laughable, from a scholarly viewpoint. You are free to cite academic reviews of Witzel's works. In fact, I can see if I can find any for you. The emphasis is on ''academic'' here; just mudslinging by a Hindutva author looking to get even for a devastating criticism of his book will not fly. Hell, everybody can say "your logic is flawed" without even reading your work. I have no idea what T means by saying W "violates every principle set up by himself", but hey, it sounds good, doesn't it. I will not vouch for the quality, let alone infallibility of Witzel's work, of course, but at least it deserves to be criticised by his peers, and not by some political author with an axe to grind. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|('''&#5839;''') ] ]</small> 00:44, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
Comment:Witzel is of course himself political. Witzel criticized Talageri in one publication without even reading Talageri's work.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Michael_E._J._Witzel&diff=32863291&oldid=32853584 The content of this chapter is basically a rehash of Witzel's claims, with interspersed disparaging comments, concluding in "Witzel, as we have seen, violates every single norm and basic principle, set up by himself, in the analysis of the Rigveda". We have seen nothing of the kind, except empty rhetorics. This is extremely poor, ''ad hominem'' "scholarship".
Comment:Hm, Witzel has done ad hominem scholarship.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Michael_E._J._Witzel&diff=32627799&oldid=32619947 He is criticized for criticizing Hindutva.... by Hindutva people. Big surprise.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Michael_E._J._Witzel&diff=33022281&oldid=33019962 You can either dismiss Western scholarship (including the inherently Western concept of an [ [ encyclopedy ] ]) altogether (many Indian scholars do), or you can take their results at face value, and consider them for their merit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Michael_E._J._Witzel&diff=33117665&oldid=33024869 well, western scholarship is indebted to the [ [ critical method ] ], not to a lineage of gurus. This implies the principle of [ [ standing on the shoulders of giants ] ]. We are indebted to Oldenberg for foundational insights, but we know more than him. No westerner worth his salt will defend a statement based on ''[ [ ipse dixit ] ]'' alone. This is a clash of mentalities; traditional Indian scholars take for granted that people repeat statements by Oldenberg, Bohtlingck, Muller, Monier-Williams etc. out of respect or awe, while the simple reason is that much of their views have been ''corrobated'' by later scholarship. If Oldenberg was wrong on something, that's out of the window. It is just that you will note that he was wrong surprisingly rarely. Oldenberg didn't come up with the Injunctive, if I remember correctly, we are indebted to [ [ Paul Thieme ] ] for that. You will never be able to orally preserve a
text for three millennia by the critical method alone, for this feat, Indian scholarship is ''much'' better suited. And without this ability, Western scholarship would have no material to go on from. So nobody ''expects'' traditional Indian scholars to give a shit about western scholarship, they can dismiss it as puerile and be done. But as soon as they pretend to enter an argument ''within'' the 'critical method' (such as claims of astronomical evidence in the texts), they will be judged by it.
this is a topic far beyond the scope of this page. You are right that Witzel appears to be active both as a scholar, and in political debates. Both areas may be documented. The sad thing is that Witzel's ''political'' opponents attempt to attack him on ''scholarly'' turf. This makes them look ridiculous. Frawley is evidently not qualified to criticize Witzel. Let him publish his criticism in an Indological journal first. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|('''&#5839;''') ] ]</small> 12:57, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Michael_E._J._Witzel&diff=33121107&oldid=33117665 Political criticism masquerading as scholarship is not acceptable, and the rant summarliy smearing "Western scholars" as racists, bigots, Ku Klux Klan members or white suprematists is clearly not the sort of link we want.
*Comment:This does not apply if it is "Hindu fascism" or Hindutva.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Michael_E._J._Witzel&diff=67393343&oldid=67393173 :just finding an "article accusing Witzel" is not enough. There are foaming diatribes out there on fundamentalist sites. Anybody can post anything to the internet. .. We can't have trolls stating "he's an anti-Hindu bigot" in the indicative voice, even here on talk: Wikipedia is not a hate forum, and we cannot allow libel especially of living people. Any more of this, and I will roll back the talkpage and block the trolling accounts. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|('''&#5839;''') ] ]</small> 06:45, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Comment:...except of course if the article is about a Hindutva Nazi like Kak.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Michael_E._J._Witzel&diff=67624283&oldid=67609743 per [ [ WP:BLP ] ], and especially [ http://mail.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2006-May/046433.html ]: I warn 'Netaji' in particular that his disparaging and libellous tone is unacceptable, and I will issue blocks without further warning for such behaviour...Frawley is not so much a 'scholar' as a religious figure, and serious scholars would shun association with such a politically motivated witchhunt even if factually disagreeing with Witzel on certain points. academic disputes do not equal online smearing campaigns). Since there is an ongoing smearing campaign, I insist that the BLP guidelines are followed with the utmost care. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|('''&#5839;''') ] ]</small> 12:26, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
*Comment:Except for the Subhash Kak article.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Michael_E._J._Witzel&diff=68294581&oldid=68277917 allusions to the Nazis are popular of course: it's always good to gesture at the Nazis when you have no real case). Witzel may be right or wrong in his opinions, like any other scholar, that's beside the point. But we shall keep this article clear of attempts by his political opponents to single him out as dishonest or incompetent, or to mis-characterize mainstream positions as Witzel's personal opinions. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|('''&#5839;''') ] ]</small> 23:50, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Michael_E._J._Witzel&diff=89227206&oldid=72561464 [ http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/NEWS/India/US_text_row_resolved_by_Indian/articleshow/msid-1971421,curpg-2.cms ] is about "a crucial affidavit by eminent historian and president of the Indian History Congress, [ [ D N Jha ] ]" who according to the Times of India said
:"The technology, crafts and commerce of the Harappans are also not reflected in the Rigveda, nor does it bear testimony to the existence of their planned urban settlements and large structures built of burnt bricks."
:Giving a hint of the Aryan origin debate in India, Jha asked the court not to fall for the "indigenous Aryan" claim since it has led to "demonisation of Muslims and Christians as foreigners and to the near denial of the contributions of non-Hindus to Indian culture".
which is pretty much what the Witzel faction had been saying all along.
[ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|('''&#5839;''') ] ]</small> 13:46, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Comment:And Dbachmann claims to be neutral and not partake in the polemics of the debate?

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Michael_E._J._Witzel&diff=32974574&oldid=32926180 "who are these mysterious scholars"? I am glad for your question: They include, notably, [ [ Hermann Oldenberg ] ], who wrote 120 years ago. ..If you ignore Oldenberg, you are having a 19th century argument. Something, for some reason, these Hindutva scohlars seem to delight in, what with denouncing British colonialists for imperialistic views etc. Hello? This is 2005, not 1870. We quote sources, on Wikipedia. ''Reputable'' sources, i.e. peer reviewed ones. None of the links above qualifies as such. Just because something has an URL doesn't make it a "source". I can put up a geocities page with a giant title "Witzel is stupid" in blinking pink letters. That doesn't make it a "source". [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|('''&#5839;''') ] ]</small> 08:04, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
Comment:Oldenberg is false explanation according to talkpage

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Bharatveer&diff=68215934&oldid=68204800 :Witzel is fiercly anti-Hindutva. If you think that this equals "anti-Hindu" or even "anti-Hindu", you have a seriously distorted view. That's like saying being anti-Bush is being anti-American (which has been said, of course, same old "who isn't for us is against us"). Why are you bringing up Witzel? I didn't refer to the Witzel article. I am not Witzel, and I have never met him. I am not keeping you from documenting the controversies surrounding the man, as long as you stay ''fair'' and within [ [ WP:BLP ] ]. A man may have a bad temper and political tendencies, and still be a brilliant scholar, and I am protecting the Witzel article against all-too transparent attempts at conflating politics and scholarship.


http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michael_E._J._Witzel&diff=prev&oldid=114509408 deletes criticism (if you would cite a scholar of the field in question, not confused religionists?)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Michael_E._J._Witzel&diff=prev&oldid=115024240

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Aryan_Invasion_Theory_%28history_and_controversies%29&diff=prev&oldid=119966448 Thus, Witzel et al. turn out "anti-Hindu" simply because they are Sanskritists.

===California Textbook controversy===

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Californian_Hindu_textbook_controversy&oldid=36657119 Comment: typical "neutral" start of article by Dbachmann (Hindutva, Hindu right, and allegations of a North Indian vs. South Indian, and Uppercaste vs. lowercaste conflict)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Californian_Hindu_textbook_controversy&diff=36924331&oldid=36859301 I know; the writeup summarizes the CSM report which was not written by Witzel, you may say it gives the "academic", or "western" pov. But feel free to heap opposing povs on this, I created this article to take the heat of Hindu outrage at Descartes and the Western conspiracy of "[ [ Enlightenment ] ]" from poor [ [ Michael Witzel ] ]'s article who is apparently being shot as the messenger. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|('''&#5839;''') ] ]</small> 10:16, 27 January 2006 (UTC)Comment: With an "enlightenment" like this, who needs the Dark Ages? Also typical how Witzel needs to be protected from the slightest criticism, while it is always ok to smear those Hindus. Besides, Hindu thinkers have more in common with Descartes than Witzel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Californian_Hindu_textbook_controversy&diff=36926398&oldid=36925236 imdiversity.com is at least not a Hindu forum, but it seems still to be a lobby organization you'd expect to automatically take the side of an ethnic minority, never mind if their cause makes sense or not. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|('''&#5839;''') ] ]</small> 10:45, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Californian_Hindu_textbook_controversy&diff=next&oldid=36926398 (never mind that the "fair portrayal of history" demanded admittedly flies in the face of scholarly consensus). In politics, playing too dirty will just backfire [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|('''&#5839;''') ] ]</small> 10:45, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Californian_Hindu_textbook_controversy&diff=66755668&oldid=66743371 This is a sad case of playing the discrimination card, and I am actually pleasantly surprised it didn't work out, even in California. That must mean that they really, ''really'' have no case at all. But of course they are free to spew Vitriol all over the internet, just ''off'' Wikipedia, thanks. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|('''&#5839;''') ] ]</small> 22:52, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

== Dwijendra Narayan Jha ==

Comment: Compare this with the Subhash Kak and Nicholas Kazanas articles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dwijendra_Narayan_Jha&diff=prev&oldid=113837399 (non-neutral start of an article about an anti-Hindu historian)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dwijendra_Narayan_Jha&diff=prev&oldid=113886560

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dwijendra_Narayan_Jha&diff=prev&oldid=113886953 (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Californian_Hindu_textbook_controversy&diff=prev&oldid=113854594)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dwijendra_Narayan_Jha&diff=prev&oldid=113888313

==Irfan Habib and RS Sharma==
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ram_Sharan_Sharma&action=historysubmit&diff=336034218&oldid=335813199

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Irfan_Habib&diff=143915301&oldid=143893758
(Apparently criticism is not allowed if the "historian" is anti-Hindu or at least of the Islamo-Marxist school.)

[michael...@gmail.com]

'''Controversies on articles'''

==Rigveda==

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rigveda&diff=24637838&oldid=24637131 These questions are tied to the debate about the [ [ Indo-Aryan migration ] ] (termed "[ [ Aryan Invasion Theory ] ]") vs. the claim that Vedic culture together with Vedic Sanskrit originated in the [ [ Indus Valley Civilisation ] ], a topic of great significance in [ [ Hindutva|Hindu nationalism ] ], addressed for example by [ [ Amal Kiran ] ] and [ [ Shrikant G. Talageri ] ].

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rigveda&diff=22895150&oldid=22895011 divides bibliography into Western philology and (in a later edit) into hindu historical

Racist Rigveda

*sadly, this article is very, very, far from being encyclopedic or even factual. It's a sermon. An eulogy. I made a few edits, but they do very little. The Vedas don't condone discrimination? Varna has nothing to do with skin color? I believe that many Hindus believe so (and this may of course be asserted), but that's just because most Hindus have never actually read the vedas, or if they have, they didn't bother to translate. The Rigveda, for example (9.73.5) talks about the blowing away with supernatural might from earth and from the heavens the swarthy skin which Indra hates. dab (&#xE1;&#x9B;&#x8F;) 17:30, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hinduism

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indo-Aryan_migration&diff=21558098&oldid=21557041
Adds:
The tribes hostile to the Indo-Aryans in such warlike encounters are described as dark-skinned, e.g. RV 9.73.5:
:''O'er Sire and Mother they have roared in unison bright with the verse of praise, burning up riteless men,''
:''Blowing away with supernatural might from earth and from the heavens the swarthy skin which Indra hates.'' 08:02, 22 August 2005 Comment:On the same day he deletes anti-racist discussion at Indo-Aryans

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indo-Aryans&diff=21560720&oldid=21274442 Comment:deletes anti-racist discussion from article one hour after adding Rigveda racist claims to the Indo-Aryan migration article (he didn't move the deleted text to the Aryan Race article) 09:15, 22 August 2005
Deletes: "Arya has also been interpreted by some as a term refering to only blond-haired and blue-eyed people. But apart from four gods ([ [ Indra ] ], [ [ Agni ] ], [ [ Rudra ] ] and [ [ Savitar ] ], gods that are associated with the sun or with the lightning), there is in Sanskrit literature according to Michael Witzel only one golden-haired (hiranyakeshin) person , i.e. Hiranyakeshin, the author of the Hiranyakeshin-Shrauta-Sutra. (J. Bronkhorst and M.M. Deshpande. 1999; p.390) While it is possible that this person was golden-haired, the author's name could also refer to one of the epithets of the Supreme Lord [ [ Vishnu ] ]. These descriptions could also be poetic allegories: solar deities and gods associated with the sun were often described as golden-haired. On the other hand, there are references in Sanskrit literature where the [ [ hair ] ] of Brahmins is assumed to be black. For example, [ [ Atharva Veda ] ] 6:137. 2-3 contains a charm for making "strong black hairlocks" grow and in [ [ Baudhayana ]
]’s Dharma-Sutra 1:2, (also cited in [ [ Shabara ] ]’s Bhasya on [ [ Jaimini ] ] 1:33) we read the verse “Let him kindle the sacrificial fire while his hair is still black†. Some verses of the [ [ Rig Veda ] ] have been interpreted racially. Hans Hock (1999b) studied all the occurrences that were interpreted racially in Geldner's translation of the Rig Veda and concludes that they were either mistranslated or open to other interpretations. He writes that the racial interpretation of the Indian texts "must be considered dubious." (p.154) Hock also notes that "early Sanskrit literature offers no conclusive evidence for preoccupation with skin color. More than that, some of the greatest Epic heroes and heroines such as [ [ Krishna ] ], [ [ Draupadi ] ], [ [ Arjuna ] ], [ [ Nakula ] ] and (...) [ [ Damayanti ] ] are characterized as dark-skinned. Similarly, the famous cave-paintings of [ [ Ajanta ] ] depict a vast range of skin colors. But in none of these contexts do we find that darker skin color disqualifies
a person from being considered good, beautiful, or heroic." (p.154-155) Draupadi is also often called by the name Krsn&#257; ("black") in the [ [ Mahabharata ] ]. According to another examination by Trautmann (1997) the racial evidence of the Indian texts is soft and based upon an amount of overreading. He concludes: "That the racial theory of Indian civilization still lingers is a miracle of faith. Is it not time we did away with it?" (p.213-215) The earliest still existing commentary on the Rig Veda is the one by [ [ Sayana ] ] (14th century). According to Romila Thapar (1999, The Aryan question revisited), "There isn't a single racial connotation in any of Sayana's commentaries."


http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rigvedic_tribes&diff=next&oldid=61448595 The [ [ Aryan ] ] tribes mentioned in the [ [ Rigveda ] ] are described as semi-[ [ nomadic ] ] pastoralists, subdivided into villages (''vish'') and headed by a tribal chief (''[ [ raja ] ]''). They formed a [ [ warrior ] ] society, engaging in [ [ endemic warfare ] ] and [ [ cattle raid ] ]s among themselves and against the darker-skinned<ref>described in e.g. [ [ RV 9 ] ].41.1 as ''tvac krshna'' "black skin" or 9.73.5 ''tvac ashikni'' "swarthy skin"</ref> [ [ Dasa ] ]. 30 June 2006

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dasa&diff=71554045&oldid=71551432 Comment:adds the "racist" Rigveda verses to Dasa 24 August 2006

==Indigenous Aryan Theory==

General Comment:(The Indigenous Aryan Theory article was created by Dbachmann, and marked as OR by other editors. It's a Dbachmann propaganda and OR article.) He also protected the article after edit-warring in it with other editor. Other articles he protected after editing them include N.S. Rajaram and Haplogroup R1a1 (Y-DNA). Violated 3 Revert Rule on 28 March/1 February.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indigenous_Aryan_Theory&diff=108051353&oldid=106501092 The concept is notable in [ [ Indian politics ] ] as part of [ [ Hindu nationalist ] ] propaganda

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indigenous_Aryan_Theory&diff=110032660&oldid=110032195 The implicit argument is that "Indigenous Aryans" take away any claim of priority from the Dravidian population, making both groups equally "autochthonous" while at the same time facilitating the portrayal of Islam as a recent and "foreign" [ [ Islamic conquests of India|violent intrusion ] ] into a monolithic and immutable native Indo-Aryan (Hindu) culture of incalculable antiquity

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indigenous_Aryan_Theory&diff=104865215&oldid=104802496 {{see|Aryan Invasion Theory (history and controversies)|Nationalism and ancient history}}
The theory is a minority position in scholarly debate, but it plays a significant role in [ [ Indian politics ] ], and notably as part of the political discourse of the [ [ Bharatiya Janata Party ] ] and the wider [ [ Hindu nationalism|Hindu nationalist ] ] movement, which typically does not make the distinction of "Indo-Aryan", "Indo-Iranian" and "Proto-Indo-European", using "[ [ Aryan ] ]" as a diffuse cover term for any or all of these. Proponents often argue that the mainstream invasionist scenarios are biased by [ [ colonialist ] ] agendas of 19th century [ [ British India ] ]. The notion plays an important part in the self-definition of [ [ Hindu nationalism ] ] , which contrasts indigenous [ [ Hinduism ] ] with the invasive [ [ Mughal Empire ] ]. In this context, the notion of "indigenous" Hinduism vs. "invasive" [ [ Islam ] ] is employed to fan hostility between the adherents of these religions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indigenous_Aryan_Theory&diff=110032195&oldid=110030708 The concept is of great notability in [ [ Indian politics ] ] as the stated ideology of [ [ Hindu nationalist ] ] ("Hindutva") movements. It is based on [ [ Hindu reform movements|Hindu reformist ] ] currents such as [ [ Arya Samaj ] ] or [ [ Gayatri Pariwar ] ] that emerged in the 19th century. It is designed as the ideological counterpart of the [ [ Anti-Brahmanism ] ] of [ [ Dravidistan ] ] or "[ [ self-respect movement|self respect ] ]" movements on one hand, effectively reflecting the conflict of Indo-Aryan vs. Dravidian [ [ ethnic nationalism ] ] (the main ethnic division of the population of the [ [ Republic of India ] ]), and the conflict between [ [ Hinduism ] ] and [ [ Islam in India ] ] on the other hand (the main religious division of the Republic of India).

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indigenous_Aryan_Theory&diff=94506740&oldid=94501459 [ [ :Category:Historical revisionism (political) ] ]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indigenous_Aryan_Theory&diff=99764649&oldid=97929583 [ [ :Category:National mysticism ] ]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indigenous_Aryan_Theory&diff=94499337&oldid=94496945 {{see|Aryan Invasion Theory (history and controversies)|Nationalism and ancient history}} The notion plays an important part in the self-definition of [ [ Hindu nationalism ] ] (as set out by [ [ V.D. Savarkar ] ] in his 1923 ''[ [ Hindutva &#xE2;&#x80;&#x93; who is a Hindu? ] ]''), which contrasts indigenous [ [ Hinduism ] ] with the invasive [ [ Mughal Empire ] ], und thus cannot by definition accept that elements of Hinduism entered India by cultural diffusion or migration. In this context, the notion of "indigenous" Hinduism vs. "invasive" [ [ Islam ] ] is employed to fan hostility between the adherents of these religions. External links
*[ http://www.friendsofsouthasia.org/textbook/AmartyaSen_On_Hindutva.html The Hindutva Movement and Reinventing of History - FOSA ] by [ [ Amartya Sen ] ]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Indigenous_Aryan_Theory&diff=prev&oldid=108283348 The difference between "indigenous Aryans" and "PIE origins in India" is that the former consists of two imprecise but emotional terms, and as such does not constitute a well-defined claim at all, but a sentiment or propaganda jingle, while the latter is a clear hypothesis that can be meaningfully argued about. Most of the edit-wars we get on the topic originate with editors affected by the "sentiment" side, they don't care what "indigenous" or "aryans" means, they just know in their bellies that aryans must be indigenous. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 07:59, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Indigenous_Aryan_Theory&diff=110289455&oldid=110269916 I'm all but convinced now that we've talked to Sbhushan under other handles before. What he keeps tagging isn't "OR", it's a simple layout of the basic context summarized from the articles linked, stating the context available for rational debate on the concept. Nothing controversial at all. I realize that the debate is not ''supposed'' to be rational, it being all propaganda and patriotic gut feeling, but we are an encyclopedia, and we'll have to put even the most misty jingoist nonsense into some sort of encyclopedic context. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 09:40, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indigenous_Aryan_Theory&oldid=94506740 and http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indigenous_Aryan_Theory&diff=110032195&oldid=110030708 and http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indigenous_Aryan_Theory&oldid=110314277
it qualifies as pseudohistory or revisionism ... It is based on Hindu reformist currents such as Arya Samaj or Gayatri Pariwar that emerged in the 19th century. ...
**It is designed as the ideological counterpart of the [ [ Anti-Brahmanism ] ] of [ [ Dravidistan ] ] or "[ [ self-respect movement|self respect ] ]" movements on one hand, effectively reflecting the conflict of Indo-Aryan vs. Dravidian [ [ ethnic nationalism ] ] (the main ethnic division of the population of the [ [ Republic of India ] ]), and the conflict between [ [ Hinduism ] ] and [ [ Islam in India ] ] on the other hand (the main religious division of the Republic of India). The implicit argument is that "Indigenous Aryans" take away any claim of priority from the Dravidian population, making both groups equally "autochthonous" while at the same time facilitating the portrayal of Islam as a recent and "foreign" [ [ Islamic conquest of India|violent intrusion ] ] into a monolithic and immutable native Indo-Aryan (Hindu) culture of incalculable antiquity.
Repercussions of these divisions have reached [ [ California ] ]n courts with the [ [ Californian Hindu textbook controversy|Californian Hindu textbook case ] ], where according to the Times of India<ref>[ http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/NEWS/India/US_text_row_resolved_by_Indian/articleshow/msid-1971421,curpg-2.cms US text row resolved by Indian, 9 Sep, 2006 ] </ref> historian and president of the Indian History Congress, [ [ D. N. Jha ] ] in a "crucial affidavit" to the superior court of the state of California,
:"Giving a hint of the Aryan origin debate in India, [ ... ] asked the court not to fall for the 'indigenous Aryan' claim since it has led to 'demonisation of Muslims and Christians as foreigners and to the near denial of the contributions of non-Hindus to Indian culture'."
The theory is a minority position in scholarly debate, but it plays a significant role in Indian politics, and notably sees use as propaganda by the Bharatiya Janata Party, which typically does not make the distinction of "Indo-Aryan", "Indo-Iranian" and "Proto-Indo-European", using "Aryan" as a diffuse cover term for any or all of these.
[ [ :Category:Hindutva ] ][ [ :Category:Historical revisionism (political) ] ] [ [ :Category:National mysticism ] ]Comment:All criticism of the AIT must be BJP propaganda, Hindutva, Revisionism, Pseudohistory and Anti-Islamic and Anti-Christian. Only the pro-AIT is not political.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Rudrasharman&diff=prev&oldid=110318342 we should mention the term on [ [ indigenous Aryans ] ], since it is of course part of the same propaganda machine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indigenous_Aryan_Theory&diff=prev&oldid=110710654 The concept is notable in [ [ Indian politics ] ] as part of [ [ Hindu nationalist ] ] propaganda. In its extreme forms, postulating "Aryans" in the [ [ Neolithic ] ] period (7th to 5th millennia BC), it qualifies as [ [ pseudohistory ] ] or [ [ national mysticism ] ],

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Indigenous_Aryan_Theory&diff=prev&oldid=111538716 then ''make our day'' and [ [ WP:AfD ] ] it already. Maybe it will finally get you banned for [ [ WP:POINT ] ], one may hope. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 08:54, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Indo-Aryan_migration&diff=prev&oldid=111614669 um, the "indigenous Aryans" article ''is'' about propaganda. It's so categorized. It's stated up front. It's all referenced. It's so much glorified gibberish spiced with testosteron. I'm sorry, but you are not making sense. ''As'' propaganda, it doesn't make strict scholarly sense, and there can be all sorts of "corollaries" from it, including, but not limited to OIT, since ''[ [ ex falso quodlibet ] ]''. While otoh "OIT" is at least a well-defined proposal which in a certain sence includes an "indigenous Aryan" position ''a fortiori''. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 17:26, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Indo-Aryan_migration&diff=prev&oldid=111605915 the term may have been coined by Bryant, but it is in wider use as a term for Hindu nationalist propaganda (as shown in the article). I would be most happy to devote one line to it being pseudoscholarly bullshit pushed by "religious fanatics" (as you [ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AIndigenous_Aryan_Theory&diff=111583305&oldid=111580971 seem to agree ]). But if we're going to discuss "evidence" for the "theory" (as opposed to simply discuss the political agendas involved), we will damn well be allowed to spell out just what proposal it is for which we're looking for evidence. We ''agree'' it's bullshit, alright? We are giving brief background on ''why'' it is bullshit. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 16:44, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indigenous_Aryan_Theory&diff=prev&oldid=111588689 e.g. [ [ B.B. Lal ] ] who in [ http://www.geocities.com/ifihhome/articles/bbl001.html The Homeland of Indo-European Languages and Culture: Some Thoughts ] claims that the Rigveda "must predate 2000 BC" based on geological (sic!) evidence.</ref>
Comment:The alleged source is an unpublished article that seems to be misquoted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=111626427 I've blocked {{vandal|Sbhushan}} for persistent trolling and edit-warring on [ [ Indigenous Aryans ] ], plus a 3RRvio in reaction to a warning. I am also uncertain of his sock status (we get many trolls of that kind that may or may not be identical). Since I am involved in the article being trolled, I am posting this block here for review, and I will not consider any adjustment "wheel warring" but will accept it as uninvolved advice. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xED; &#x88;) ] ]</small> 18:26, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Indigenous_Aryan_Theory&diff=prev&oldid=111627425 I've blocked Sbhushan for 48h over his last revert (after warning) to impress on him that he is out of line. See also [ [ WP:AN/I#Sbhushan ] ]. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 18:30, 28 February 2007 (UTC) Comment:Blocks an User who disagrees with him. Claims the user had 3RRvio without giving evidence. Claims that the user (history of 4 months) has a sock status.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ASbhushan&diff=111631967&oldid=111625630 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=111646344 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=111666071 Comment:Unblocks him after user filed unblock request. See also the comments by other adminstrators, who say "it was not patent nonsense, vandalism, or simple disruption." and "Rather than blocking and then reporting here, you should have come here first to request help from uninvolved administrators."

*WP:3RRvio at Indigenous_Aryan_Theory from 28.2./1.3. 2007. He also protects the page. (Wikipedia:Protection policy says "Do not protect a page you are editing, unless against BLP violations or simple vandalism, or unprotect a page in order to start editing it.")

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indigenous_Aryan_Theory&diff=prev&oldid=111836454$
adds:
Pseudoscience and Postmodernism
{{see|Hindutva}}
Nanda (2003) argues that the [ [ pseudoscience ] ] at the core of Hindu nationalism was unwittingly helped into being in the 1980s by the [ [ postmodernism ] ] embraced by Indian leftist "postcolonial theories" like [ [ Ashis Nandy ] ] and [ [ Vandana Shiva ] ] who rejected the universality of "Western" [ [ science ] ] and called for the "indigenous science" (Sokal 2006:32).
Nanda (2003:72) explains how this relativization of "science" was employed by Hindutva ideologues during the 1998 to 2004 reign of the [ [ BJP ] ]: :''any traditional Hindu idea or practice, however obscure and irrational it might have been through its history, gets the honoric of "science" if it bears any resemblance at all, however remote, to an idea that is valued (even for the wrong reasons) in the West.'' Criticism of the irrationality of such "Vedic science" is brushed aside by the notion that :''The idea of 'contradiction' is an imported one from the West in recent times by the Western-educated, since &#xE2;&#x80;&#x98;Modern Science&#xE2;&#x80;&#x99; arbitrarily imagines that it only has the true knowledge and its methods are the only methods to gain knowledge, smacking of Semitic dogmatism in religion.'' (Mukhyananda 1997:94)
Comment:For once better referenced than usual, but not reported neutrally.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indigenous_Aryan_Theory&diff=prev&oldid=111843301 Witzel (2006:204) traces the "indigenous Aryan" idea to the writings of Golwalkar and Sarvarkar. Golwalkar (1939) denied any immigration of "Aryans" to the subcontinent, stressing that all Hindus have always be "children of the soil", a notion Witzel compares to the Nazi ''[ [ Blut und Boden ] ]'' mysticism contemporary to Golwalkar. Since these ideas emerged on the brink of the internationalist and socially oriented Nehru-Gandhi government, they lay dormant for several decades, and only rose to prominence in the 1980s in conjunction with the relativist revisionism outlined above, most of the revisionist literature being published by the firms ''Voice of Dharma'' and ''Aditya Prakasha''....e.g. by [ [ David Frawley ] ] who sees the origin of all world civilizations in Northern India, 10,000 - 6,000 BCE.Comment:For once better referenced than usual, but not reported neutrally.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indigenous_Aryan_Theory&diff=prev&oldid=112036859 The proposition of "indigenous Aryans" thus does not correspond to a single identifiable opion, but to a sentiment that may result in various, partly mutually exclusive, specific claims united by a common ideology.<ref>Thus, [ [ Koenraad Elst ] ] postulates a Proto-Indo-Iranian Harappan culture, while [ [ Nicholas Kazanas ] ] argues that the Indo-Aryan Rigveda must predate the Harappan culture. The unifying ideology is apparent in that there is no academic controversy ''among'' proponents of "out of India" scenario aimed at resolving such contradictions.</ref>

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Indigenous_Aryan_Theory&diff=prev&oldid=112042069 and http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Indigenous_Aryan_Theory&diff=prev&oldid=112042249
===article progress, category===
alright, so a picture begins to emerge. I've never been interested in treating these subjects, but it turns out it is impossible to discuss the Vedic period on Wikipedia without solving this. I think we are making slow but steady progress exposing what's actually going on. The aim must be to turn the eternally broken [ [ Aryan Invasion Theory (history and controversies) ] ] into a clean [ [ WP:SS ] ] summary, and somehow categorize this whole cottage industry. Something like [ [ :Category:Hindutva revisionism ] ] seems in order, and we may need an article to address this phenomenon of the rise of "Hindutva [ pseudo ]science" since the 1980s directly. We have:
*[ [ :Category:Hindutva ] ], [ [ :Category:Historiography of India ] ]
*[ [ Hindutva ] ]
*[ [ Hindu nationalism ] ] (scope and relation to "Hindutva" unclear)
*[ [ Indigenous Aryans ] ]
*[ [ Out of India ] ]
*[ [ Aryan Invasion Theory (history and controversies) ] ]
*[ [ Hindu reform movements ] ]
authors/books
*[ [ Subhash Kak ] ]
*[ [ N. S. Rajaram ] ]
*[ [ David Frawley ] ]
*[ [ Nicholas Kazanas ] ]
*[ [ Georg Feuerstein ] ]
*[ [ Shrikant G. Talageri ] ]
*[ [ In Search of the Cradle of Civilization ] ]
*[ [ The Rigveda: A Historical Analysis ] ]
the underlying structure of this propaganda effort isn't at all obvious from the beginning due to the conscious effort to make it appear larger and less coordinated than it is (a central role seems to be taken by the ''[ [ Voice of Dharma ] ]'' publishing house, which would seem to need its own article). You initially think these are just a motley crew of your average crackpot authors until the pattern emerges. It is a rather serious topic, since this is ultimately about lying to the Indian (and expatriate Indian) public, misleading it into mindless radicalism, and Nanda isn't just Godwining when she draws the obvious parallel to the "Aryan supremacy" cruft of 1930s fascism. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 10:04, 2 March 2007 (UTC)


http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Indigenous_Aryans&diff=prev&oldid=112080460 I am considering moving it to [ [ Hindutva revisionism ] ] above, as it turns out "indigenous Aryans" are only the tip of a regular iceberg of pseudoscience flying around here. If we do that, we should ''also'' merge the "AIT (history and controversies)" article, which at the moment exists just a dump anyway. We cannot merge this with OIT though: we cannot merge OIT here, since OIT has (granted, minor) aspects that are not ideologically motivated but bona fide scholarship, and we cannot merge this to OIT, since the scope of "indigenous Aryans" is obviously not restricted to OIT. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 15:00, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Indigenous_Aryan_Theory&diff=prev&oldid=112584145*'''speedy keep''' (no brainer), and '''move''', per the discussion on talk, either to simple [ [ indigenous Aryans ] ], or to a wider scope like [ [ Hindutva revisionism ] ], [ [ Hindutva and pseudoscience ] ] or similar. The [ [ Aryan Invasion Theory (history and controversies) ] ] should be either {{tl|split}}, or be a concise [ [ WP:SS ] ] article; this is all editing business, not Afd business, and we'd have rectified things month ago were it not for our resident Hindutva trolling team. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 16:12, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Indigenous_Aryan_Theory&diff=prev&oldid=112584145 "Indigenous Aryan position" is just a term for what ''proponents'' (or should we say, ''disseminators'') prefer to call things like "exciting new emerging evidence found by eminent professors" (and permutations, ad nauseam), which is hardly preferable as an article title. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 16:19, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Indigenous_Aryan_Theory&diff=prev&oldid=112792315 just because there are a couple of editors on Wikipedia who attempt to ''abuse'' the project as a propaganda tool? Much to the contrary, it requires an extra effort to screen out the propagandist pov-pushing and create a solid and well-referenced article describing their approaches. "Indigenous Aryan" is just one central aspect of this propaganda stunt, and I agree the article could be '''moved''' to [ [ Hindutva propaganda ] ], [ [ Hindutva pseudoscience ] ], [ [ Hindutva revisionism ] ] or whatever you prefer, but Wikipedia will '''not''' allow propagandists, or those misled by propagandists, succeed in pretending that their propaganda does not in fact exist and its discussion belongs "deleted". Quoth the arbcom, "[ [ Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/India-Pakistan#Wikipedia_is_not_a_soapbox|use of Wikipedia for political propaganda is prohibited. ] ]" Yet this is ''constantly''
done by our resident "Hindutva half-dozen". It is time we protected Wikipedia more effectively against such attacks, since attacks they are. This AfD is just a little incident in this epic story, of course, but it is very instructive on the present state of things. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 11:38, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Indigenous_Aryan_Theory&diff=prev&oldid=112866185 if Wikipedia wasn't spammed by Hindutva trolls, it would be much easier to reach FA quality again. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 19:03, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indigenous_Aryans&diff=prev&oldid=113059029 (revert)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Indigenous_Aryan_Theory&diff=prev&oldid=113059325 wow, Indian elementary school syllabus is now "Truth"? Would that be before or after the 1998-2004 indoctrination stunt by the BJP government? I suppose we should turn to Turkish elementary school syllabus to establish the Truth of [ [ Pan-Turkism ] ], then? [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 13:46, 6 March 2007 (UTC)Comment:"indoctrination stunt"? What about the indocrination stunt of Islamist and Marxist educators?

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indigenous_Aryans&diff=prev&oldid=113269045 The concept is notable in [ [ Indian politics ] ] as part of [ [ Hindu nationalist ] ] propaganda. ..or [ [ national mysticism ] ] (revert)

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Out_of_India_theory&diff=569963781&oldid=565520436
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Out_of_India_theory&diff=569963862&oldid=569963781

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dbachmann&diff=prev&oldid=113286156 but whatever we read in the Vedas is universal truth (that's [ [ Biblical literalism ] ] by any other name,
I ''appreciate'' that there is "pseudo-secularism" in India that is ''also'' motivated by political agendas. But you need to appreciate that this is not the issue here at all. I would not allow such "pseudo-secularism" any more Comment: He rather supports pseudo secularism than fight it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Indigenous_Aryans&diff=prev&oldid=113337873 . No, it shouldn't be "a subsection of AIT page", it should be a subsection of a larger "[ [ Hindutva ideology ] ]" page,

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Indigenous_Aryans&diff=prev&oldid=113341046 Or those arguing that this is a topic of scholarship, not national mysticism?

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indigenous_Aryans&diff=prev&oldid=113269045 a) it is well sourced (Sokal, Nanda, ...) and (b) it isn't the "belief of millions", it's the hobby horse of a handful of cranks. It wasn't in the Puranas last time I checked.) (edit summary)

==Historiography and nationalism==

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Historiography_and_nationalism&diff=62227631&oldid=62171803 In ancient times, ethnicities often derived their or their rulers' origin from divine or semi-divine founders of a mythical past (for example, the [ [ Anglo-Saxons ] ] deriving their dynasties from [ [ Woden ] ]; see also [ [ Euhemerism ] ]). In modern times, such mythical [ [ aetiology|aetiologies ] ] in nationalist constructions of history were replaced by the frequent attempt to link one's own ethnic group to a source as ancient as possible, often known not from tradition but only from archaeology or philology, such as Armenians claiming as their origin the [ [ Urartians ] ], the [ [ Albanians ] ] claiming as their origin the [ [ Illyrians ] ], the [ [ Georgians ] ] claiming as their origin the [ [ Hayasa-Azzi ] ], or [ [ Hindu ] ] nationalists claiming as their origin the [ [ Indus Valley Civilization ] ] &mdash; all of the mentioned groups being known only from either ancient historiographers or
archaeology.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Historiography_and_nationalism&diff=94027071&oldid=92952802 adds link to (see [ [ Aryan Invasion Theory (propaganda) ] ])
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Aryan_Invasion_Theory_%28propaganda%29&oldid=94027099 makes redirect Aryan Invasion Theory (propaganda) to AIT

==Indo-Aryan migration==
General comments: He moved the AIT article to "Indo-Aryan migration", not a clear or even neutral title for a theory either (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Indo-Aryan_migration&diff=prev&oldid=113387179)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Geo.plrd&diff=prev&oldid=109048657 What is the difference between a "chatpage" and a talkpage? I find that too much time is wasted with idle chatter on ''talk'' pages already. If you want to move the article, you should make a proposal on talk, preferably after familiarizing yourself with the topic. If you find I am in violation of OWN, you should take up the matter with me directly, and failing that, open a user conduct RfC. If I "OWNed" the article in any way, it would have been cleaned up months ago. But since I recognize that the article cannot be "owned", it will probably remain broken indefinitely. The policy in question is [ [ WP:UNDUE ] ]. I am well aware of scholarly mainstream opinion on the matter. The article is under constant attack from editors who either cannot understand or do not want to respect WP's principle of [ [ WP:NPOV ] ] means that views are presented in proportion to their academic notability. I realize that the topic is not ''only'
' academic, and that it plays an unfortunate role in Indian religious nationalist propaganda. This is why we have [ [ Aryan Invasion Theory (history and controversies) ] ] which has the sole purpose of documenting the political side of the topic. We do get an endless influx of Hindu propagandist editors bent on misrepresenting academic opinion. WIN is just a comparatively harmless example of these. The only thing that stands between these editors and a Wikipedia that is instrumentalised for political propaganda is Wikipedia policy and the investment of editors ready to engage in anti-propaganda vigilantism. I am prepared to discuss with anyone who brings up clean academic references in good faith. I am not prepared, nor am I obliged by Wikipedia policy, to discuss anything else. regards, [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 10:54, 18 February 2007 (UTC)


http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Indo-Aryan_migration&diff=54875203&oldid=52272218 It is asking a lot to quote the piles of pseudo-academic works motivated by religious or nationalist agendas, but at least those authors are at least trying to ''imitate'' scholarship. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|('''&#5839;''') ] ]</small> 11:47, 24 May 2006 (UTC)


http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Indo-Aryan_migration&diff=68390702&oldid=68381238 It is enough that the Hindukush is ''the'' classical invasion route into India, with a long string of known precedents. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|('''&#5839;''') ] ]</small> 12:37, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Indo-Aryan_migration&diff=68577852&oldid=68576981 That we don't hear more of this is obviously due to the nationalist side being not interested in honest debate, they want Paleolithic Aryans in 80,000 BC, and they don't care about anything west of the Khyber Pass :) [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|('''&#5839;''') ] ]</small> 09:44, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Indo-Aryan_migration&diff=next&oldid=68597183 There is no reason whatsoever to assume chariots for the IVC except for the desire to score points in the IAM debate. In scholarship (unlike politics), a desire to score points is not a strong argument in favour of anything. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|('''&#5839;''') ] ]</small> 12:33, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Indo-Aryan_migration&diff=72375613&oldid=71590584 Where do you get your ideas, WIN? From crackpot websites? From your Swami? From foaming redneck politicians? <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|('''&#xE1;&#x9B;&#x8E;''') ] ]</small> [ [ User:Dbachmann|q&#xC9;&#x90;p ] ] 12:17, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Indo-Aryan_migration&diff=100201129&oldid=100198348 your 1.) is precisely the sort of national mysticism uninformed by cultural or linguistic change that we want to keep separate from scholarly debate.


http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Indo-Aryan_migration&diff=109120035&oldid=109107385 indeed. but I dare you to catch me doing that. While I clean out such bad faith material regularly, and, lo and behold, they only ever go in one direction, and then I get told off for being "biased".

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Indo-Aryan_migration&diff=109782812&oldid=109778185 indeed. the "downward spiral" is entirely an artifact in the interpretation of angry Hindutva propagandists who like to allege the "invasion" scenario was a bad faith conspiracy from the beginning (for reasons best known to themselves, I have ''yet'' to hear how colonialists could profit ideologically from a Bronze Age invasion). [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 10:14, 21 February 2007 (UTC)Comment:This is an apologist view of British colonialism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Indo-Aryan_migration&diff=next&oldid=109853176 I've seen many things on Wikipedia, but now you have managed to create a pov fork of a talkpage, congratulations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indo-Aryan_migration&diff=79419634&oldid=79413758 and http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indo-Aryan_migration&diff=72445220&oldid=72442693 (as is often postulated by Indian patriotic sentiment),

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Indo-Aryan_migration&diff=prev&oldid=114594187 You mean [ http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/hinduism/history/history_1.shtml ]. Page 4 is essentially a disclaimer, "dear Indian patriots, ~we know you don't like it, please don't fry us". [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 18:15, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indo-Aryan_migration&diff=prev&oldid=114902794 , http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Indo-Aryan_migration&diff=prev&oldid=115018387
Comment:there are desperate also those that try to build a case for the non-presence of the horse in Neolithic India, for transparent ideological reasons.

==AIT==
General comments: He got the article moved to AIT(history and controversies). Late he wants to make a disambiguation page from AIT (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Aryan_Invasion_Theory_%28history_and_controversies%29&diff=prev&oldid=113073213), splitting the article to Indigenous Aryans, Hindutva revisionism and other articles. Dbachmann also cannot imagine that the AIT could in any way have been used as a moral justification for the British imperialists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Aryan_Invasion_Theory_%28history_and_controversies%29&diff=78528136&oldid=76722061 our stark raving radical Hindu blogs and 'tribute' websites. If anything, we should do away with links such as [ http://www.atributetohinduism.com/aryan_invasion_theory.htm this ] (a rambling anonymous writeup on some religious site):

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Aryan_Invasion_Theory_%28history_and_controversies%29&diff=79274531&oldid=79274505 if it were not for the constant disruption on the part of the propagandists. What we want to document here are notable opinions on the socio-religious propaganda that is being handed around in India. The topic of this article is wound up with Hindu nationalism, and it is impossible to write an encyclopedic article about nationalism if the nationalists are trying to write a ''nationalist'' article at the same time. But I wish you all the best cleaning up this mess, of course. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|('''&#5839;''') ] ]</small> 16:49, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Aryan_Invasion_Theory_%28history_and_controversies%29&diff=83485558&oldid=83483805 I still don't see, after all this time, how the notion of an prehistoric invasion of the Indian subcontinent (on top of the dozen or so known historical invasions along the same route) would in any way bolster or further chauvinist, colonialist, racist or Eurocentric views. Seriously, I don't. I can see how the idea may be welcome to Dravidian or Dalit campaigners, but I simply don't see any stakes in the debate from the pov of a colonialist agenda. 193.43 appears to just have felt like dropping a few provocative comments on a Wikipedia talkpage. In any case I do not see any suggestion for improvement of the article. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|('''&#5839;''') ] ]</small> 19:48, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manuv%C4%81da
Dbachmann adds: The term ManuvÄ da is used by proponents of extreme Hindu nationalism for a propsed return to the societal values of traditional Hindu Dharmashastra, as governed by Manusmá¹›ti. This would involve the return to the ancient caste system, legally abolished with the formation of the Republic of India.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Aryan_Invasion_Theory_%28history_and_controversies%29&diff=94027142&oldid=94026028 (AIT), is a controversial polemical term used in [ [ Indian politics ] ]
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Aryan_Invasion_Theory_%28history_and_controversies%29&diff=94026028&oldid=93943301 changes "Sites critical of AIT and/or AMT" to "examples of Hindu sites "debunking Aryan Invasion"

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Aryan_Invasion_Theory_%28history_and_controversies%29&diff=62061247&oldid=62042124 [ [ :Category:Hindutva ] ]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Aryan_Invasion_Theory_%28history_and_controversies%29&diff=60326161&oldid=60324733 Those "AIT supporters" who condescend to enter into the political debate however have also used the underlying motives of their opponents to buttress their arguments. They believe that the other side's polemics are motivated by a strong feeling that the Hindu religion, with its highest texts in Vedic Sanskrit, would become less "authentic" if it were to be accepted that the origin of this language were outside the sacred places of the Indian subcontinent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Aryan_Invasion_Theory_%28history_and_controversies%29&diff=prev&oldid=113073951 (removes reference, no editsummary)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Indigenous_Aryans&diff=prev&oldid=113325328 . It's an awkward non-topic created as a tempoaray trashcan for ideological chaff that gathered on the main article. We agree it's redundant.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Aryan_Invasion_Theory_%28history_and_controversies%29&diff=prev&oldid=113075092

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Aryan_Invasion_Theory_%28history_and_controversies%29&diff=prev&oldid=119705547

==OIT==
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Out_of_India_theory&diff=71344786&oldid=71338352 surprisingly enough, our resident Hindutva crowd neglected to talk about an OIT almost completerly...This is much like dealing with biblical literalists, the hallmark of fundamentalism, and has nothing to do with scholarship, even ''if'' the occasional scholarly source is waved about. See 'Bakatalk' just above for a quaint example, parroting what actual editors told him over at Witzel's article (as if we were writing some biography here). Half of the time, these editors fail the Turing test completely, we might as well be dealing with an armada of chatterbots unleashed from an underground BJP headquarters :o) [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|('''&#5839;''') ] ]</small> 08:47, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Out_of_India_theory&diff=76058900&oldid=76041247 , or we turn this into the "[ [ Hindutva propaganda and Indo-European ] ]" article and put it in [ [ :Category:Propaganda ] ].
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Out_of_India_theory&diff=79203615&oldid=79203590 :*tag the whole article as [ [ :Category:Pseudoscience|pseudoscientific ] ] [ [ :Category:Hindutva|Hindutva ] ] [ [ :Category:propaganda|propaganda ] ] and be done with it

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Out_of_India_theory&diff=79852059&oldid=79846960 :rolleyes: more likely, these kids are teased because their parents are fundamentalist loonies... [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|('''&#5839;''') ] ]</small> 14:47, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Out_of_India_theory&diff=80185005&oldid=79951163 Sen is commenting ''on'' the "AIT controvesy", he is not alleging to have done any research of his own, he is simply commenting on the bizarre constellation of scholarship vs. brute nationalism. His voice thus belongs in a "political implications" section. Or, once again, we could clean this article of all unscholarly exploits and confine those to the one that is ostensibly about the jingoism, [ [ Aryan Invasion Theory (history and controversies) ] ]. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|('''&#5839;''') ] ]</small> 10:05, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Out_of_India_theory&diff=82012949&oldid=82012915 we should address that, not random misguided national mysticism, try to "de-colonialize your mind" on some other forum, WIN. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|('''&#5839;''') ] ]</small> 15:53, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Out_of_India_theory&diff=85675530&oldid=85675478 Frawley is a raving crackpot. Kak is a kook. Kazanas is lunatic fringe. You listed a dozen names, which is a good start, but as your list stands, it is a frightful hodge-podge of fringy academics and outright cranks, [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|('''&#5839;''') ] ]</small> 16:07, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Out_of_India_theory&diff=89454243&oldid=89452346 The sad fact is that this field is teeming with raving lunatics and chaotic dilletants, and unless we are strict, it will just degenerate into a befuddled "Aryans were magic space aliens in 50,000 BC" type of writeup again. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|('''&#5839;''') ] ]</small> 14:57, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Out_of_India_theory&diff=91977477&oldid=91976426 PCT is at least as respectable as OIT. The only difference being that the latter has hosts of uninformed young nationalists touting it on the internet, while the former is proposed by a couple of fringy but distinguished Italian archaeologists. Until we agree that the number of internet users that take pride in pushing the theory out of nationalist pride is completely irrelevant, there can be no progress. We are now getting Armenian nationalsts pushing the [ [ Armenian hypothesis ] ], see [ [ Talk:Armenia ] ] recently, the only difference is that there are 7 million Armenians as opposed to 700 million Indo-Aryans, so that the incidence of nationalist propaganda on Indo-Aryan related articles is expected to be about 100 times higher. Which is what we indeed observe. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 11:23, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Out_of_India_theory&diff=next&oldid=91791853 You are quite obviously not here for encyclopedic discussion of the topic, but simply for unenlightening brute and boring single-topic pov pushing. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 14:50, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Out_of_India_theory&diff=94492995&oldid=94490516 This is the [ [ Indigenous Aryan Theory ] ] touted by the [ [ Bharatiya Janata Party|BJP ] ]. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 11:51, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Indigenous_Aryan_Theory&diff=prev&oldid=113064608"out of India" is *de facto* 99% inspired by ideology. (edit summary)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Fringe_theories&diff=prev&oldid=113819419

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Out_of_India_theory&diff=prev&oldid=113830921

==Rajput==
*guys, a little help on my "RfC"? I don't want to feed them, but they're happily chewing away at me. If they are trolls, block them, ok? If they are poor misguided users, teach them manners please :( these Hindutva people are a serious problem, you see, there's any number of them in India, and many of them have internet access. Am I expected to singlehandedly combat bigotry in India? dab (&#xE1;&#x9B;&#x8F;) 21:12, 20 December 2005 (UTC)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive57

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Zora&diff=32344308&oldid=32344214 you don't want to be an admin?? You are one of the most saintly Wikipedians I know, with seemingly infinite patience, and great social skills. I can stick around on Rajput, but I felt let down, people on AN told me simply "don't feed the trolls". These are not simply trolls in the narrow sense, they do not pretend to be clueless brutes, it is difficult to believe, but I think they are fully serious. It is pointless to waste time with them, because even if you get them to listen to sense, there are millions of more clueless people where they came from, and especially in India, every sh*thole is getting internet access. I feel for these people, because they are in an actual ethnic conflict, and must feel actual hate, but I don't feel responsible for babysitting them, Wikipedia is not for them. Seeing the state of things, I was prepared to run a tight ship, block for PAs and reverts, which of course resulted in [ [ Wikipedia:
Requests for comment/Dbachmann (2)|this "RfC" ] ] (where nobody bothered to comment) and now FireFox says he considers me "involved". Involved with protecting policy, yes, but I couldn't care less about the topic itself. So unless I get some community backup, I cannot speak the only language these people understand. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|('''&#5839;''') ] ]</small> 09:49, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dbachmann&diff=32253135&oldid=32251977 :who gave internet access to these people :( ? [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|('''&#5839;''') ] ]</small> 17:08, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ARajput&diff=32090373&oldid=32090210 deletes talk page comment by another user that is critical of Dbachmann

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Wisesabre&diff=32345338&oldid=32071223 your presence is sorely needed here. I don't expect you get many Hindu trolls on ur:, but they really seem to flock to en:. Ultimately, they will end up at [ [ WP:RFAr ] ] if they go on like this. Their behaviour is more than enough for the arbcom to ban them, but somebody has to take the time for an arbitration case. I am committed to restoring a sane working environment at en:, where Hindus, Muslims and "whiteboys" can work together in peace. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|('''&#5839;''') ] ]</small> 10:09, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Rajput&diff=32011979&oldid=32005846 I read all 61 of my books and neither westerners nor muslims read any other book (perhaps a few pages of Ibbetson was read) that they are pushing as references. Is this really scholarship? Now this admin blocked me for being disruptive!!! even though they are reverting the hell out of this page, all of them. Comment:This user was blocked at RfAr (Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Rajput)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ADbachmann&diff=32231260&oldid=32226142 Because you reverted a particular editors changes, this shows you have a 'slight' bias to either a certain point of view, or against a particular editor(s). [ [ User:FireFox|<span style="color:black;cursor:crosshair;">Fir</span> ] ][ [ WP:EA|<span style="color:green;cursor:crosshair;">e</span> ] ][ [ User talk:FireFox|<span style="color:red;cursor:crosshair;">Fox</span> ] ] 13:02, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

See also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rajput&oldid=43113774#References
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rajput&oldid=39762172#References
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rajput&diff=45839396&oldid=45758053
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rajput&diff=32573451&oldid=32572907
*Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Dbachmann (2)
*Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Dbachmann (2)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Dbachmann
*Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Rajput
*Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/Rajput/Proposed decision
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:BostonMA/DBachmann
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:BostonMA/RegardingDBachmann

==Indo-Aryans==
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indo-Aryans&oldid=21642811 Origins - The spread of Indo-Aryan languages is connected with the spread of the chariot in the first half of the second millennium BC. Archaeologically, these cultures ultimately trace back to the Andronovo culture and the BMAC; the separation of Indo-Aryans proper from Proto-Indo-Iranians dates to roughly 1800 BC. The Nuristani languages probably split in such early times, and are either classified as remote Indo-Aryan dialects, or as an independent branch of Indo-Iranian. By 1500 BC, Indo-Aryans had reached Assyria in the west and the Punjab in the east. Comment:typical "neutral" start of an article by Dbachmann

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indo-Aryans&diff=prev&oldid=21560720 Comment:He deletes the anti-racist discussion, without moving them to Aryan Race as he claims.

Probably Dbachmann as an IP sockpuppet:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Indo-Aryans&diff=25015266&oldid=21677310 :there is no section "Origins"; you mean the "pre-Vedic" section? details of this discussion go to the main article, [ [ Indo-Aryan migration ] ]. What do you mean "no sources are given"? I count about a dozen references in this short paragraph. You'll have to be specific about what you don't like. Obviously ''everything'' is disputed in this area. What this section is supposed to do is summarize the mainstream scholarly view. 23:31, 7 October 2005 (UTC) 83.76.209.47

==British Raj==
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:History_of_India&diff=prev&oldid=18901765 well, I wouldn't have liked to see how the Maharajas would have dealt with the drought, without any railway to even transport the food and all. But of course it should be mentioned. Hm, Guptadeepak, we are here to discuss the History of India, no? I'm just pointing out where I perceive bias, I don't intend to insert inverse bias. [ [ User:130.60.142.65|130.60.142.65 ] ] 17:33, 15 July 2005 (UTC) Comment:This is an apologist view of British colonialism. Trains were not charity, they were used to economically exploit the country. Thailand had trains too and was never colonized. Famines happen where there is no democracy and free press.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:India&diff=prev&oldid=102518344 As it happened, "India" didn't merely "overthrow" British rule, it fell to pieces at the same moment, and the [ [ Partition_of_India#Population_exchanges|pieces jumped at each other's throat ] ] without delay. Not exactly the image of a downtrodden but proud people finally rid of their cruel oppressor living happily ever after, as it's frequently depicted on these talkpages. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 21:33, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=India&diff=prev&oldid=98186204
Comment: Deletes the word "democratic". Changes: India emerged as a modern democratic [ [ nation-state ] ] in 1947, after it overthrew foreign occupation by widespread use of [ [ nonviolent resistance ] ] as a means of social protest.
to:Politically controlled by the [ [ British East India Company ] ] from the early 18th century and directly administered by [ [ British raj|Great Britain ] ] starting the mid-19th century, India became a modern [ [ nation-state ] ] in 1947 after a struggle for independence Edit summary:("democracy" is not the logical opposite of "occupation". nothing wrong with the previous version.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:India&diff=102639997&oldid=102639270 as I understand it, the idea is that people would like to phrase the brief reference to British rule in India so as to imply illegality. If "colonisation of Inda" doesn't do that for you, I would suggest '''"gardual annexation of India"'''. The "gradual" is necessary because the entities annexed were individual princely states, which were indeed "annexed", and I put it to you that this term should have sufficient connotations of illegal military conquest to satisfy your patriotic feelings. I put it to you that a unified India would not have been possible without the British, and that your very pan-Indian patriotism ultimately owes its existence to said "annexation", without which the subcontinent would as likely as not still be fragmented into so many princely states, but this isn't for us to establish here. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 10:44, 23 January 2007
(UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dbachmann&diff=prev&oldid=86235850 Hindu nationalists will likely be more actively anti-Islamic, because that conflict is actively ongoing, but they also feed on a lot of anti-Christian conspiracy theories, and paranoia related to the British Raj. A lot of British infrastructure and organisation went into building modern India, and among fanatics of Hindu purity and superiority, this seems to have triggered some sort of schizophrenia, triggering strange fantasies of evil Christian conspiracies vs. millennia of monolithic "Aryan" civilization. These are just the lunatic fringes I meet when dealing with ancient history, I am not saying this is anything like an openly mainstream mindset (at least I hope not). [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|('''&#5839;''') ] ]</small> 08:47, 7 November 2006 (UTC) (He also deletes a reply to his post http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dbachmann&diff=prev&oldid=86248870)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poverty_in_India&diff=prev&oldid=363201376

==Arya==
The article "Arya" which existed for a long time was merged upon Dbachmann's suggestion into the "Aryan" article.

==Aryan==
The use of the term to designate speakers of all Indo-European languages in scholarly usage is now regarded by some scholars as an "aberration to be avoided."
Comment:This sentence is ironically sourced to Witzel, a linguist who still believes in a racial, not only cultural meaning, of the term. Not sure who addded the sentence.

Notions of an elite "Aryan race" only survive in nationalist contexts, to include White nationalism, Indian nationalism and Iranian nationalism.
Comment: Of course for the Hindus Aryan does not refer to "Aryan race". Not sure who added the sentence.

In present-day India, the original ethno-linguistic signifier has been less emphasized, the denotation having been semantically supplemented by other, secondary, meanings—the term is widely used in India in the names of business enterprises.
Comment: Of course these "secondary" meanings were also in earlier important, for instance in Buddhism. Not sure who aded the sentence.



==India and Indians==
General comments:Some editors wanted to move the India article to Republic of India, and to merge Hindu to Hinduism.
Dbachmann is obsessed with wanting to move the India article to Republic of India, and (together with other editors, including Paul Barlow) also claims that India was not in existence before the British. Even it was technically true, it is irrelevant, as modern nation states did not actually exist back then as they do now, including what is now China. There was a generally Indic civilization and culture spread throughout most of the subcontinent, which is what we refer to when speaking of "India" and "Indians" in that time context. Apart from that, some Indian pre-British Indian states did cover a surprisingly large area.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dbachmann&oldid=68603136#Reply_to_your_.22stop_harassing_me.22_comment_in_my_talk_page mediapersons? haha, Bharatveer, I assure you I had only the best image of Indians before I met the 'fundies' on Wikipedia. Needless to say, I do not assume that anything like most Indians have your sort of paranoia. Again, I am not interested in the "de-colonization of the Hindu mind" and anything of that sort, I am not interested in your anxieties, and I am not interested in you. I am just asking you to leave me alone: I am editing articles on topics in which I am competent and you are not. Some of them just happen to impinge on the ancient history of India: I am very much interested in the Bronze Age, and I am qualified to write about ancient history and comparative linguistics. It figures that you should feel so strongly about my comment about "clueless Indians" since you are obviously one of them. This has nothing to do with anti-Indian sentiment, since I obviously
recognize that there is plenty of cluelessness in any nation on earth. But I happen to find, empirically, here on Wikipeida, that in few other fields is cluelessness force-fed to people quite as obstinately as in India-related articles. I don't know the reasons for this, and I am not interested in them, I just want it to stop. I still don't know what is so objectionable about my famous comment. The fact that I recognize that India is so technologically advanced that even remote rural areas (aka 'shitholes') are going online? thank you, now stop smearing me all over the place. dab (&#xE1;&#x9B;&#x8F;) 16:25, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Comment:It is hard not to read this other than as a personal attack on another editor, essentially calling that editor a 'clueless indian'. This comment is rude and insulting to the editor involved. DBachmann acknowledges that there are clueless people of other nationalities. However, even under the assumption that the editor involved is clueless as alleged, it is unnecessary in Wikipedia to make such direct insults, and so it is equally unnecessary to mention the nationality of the editor involved.


http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:India&diff=prev&oldid=100865784 India as in "Ancient India" is neither a nation nor a state but a [ [ region ] ].

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:India&diff=104665554&oldid=104663691 alright, I begin to see the problem. This article is in a deadlock. you'd mention another couple of dances or festivals rather than characterize the main political powers in India? ''Dances and festivals''?? Why not flora and fauna, common diseases and cuisine, and popular expletives? (and I note this is always about BJP, no objection to labelling the INC as left-center? BJP is your standard, run-of-the-mill nationalist party, just like FN in France). If you mention one fact about Indian politics, it will be the fundamental divide between these two blocks. I can see where this is going. Groping for any argument that is handy instead of coming clear with your agenda is not a very clever trick, and it is not good faith editing. You will find that until you decide to enter a bona fide discussion with F&f et al., all you will acheive is just freezing this article. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#
x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 20:44, 31 January 2007 (UTC)Comment:FN in France is a xenophobic, racist party.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dbachmann&diff=prev&oldid=152645685 what's happening? Are summer holidays over at American high schools, and all the ABCD trolls flocking back to give Wikipedia grief? --[ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(ð’ ³) ] ]</small> 07:09, 21 August 2007 (UTC) (ABCD is a slur, ABCD=American Born Confused Desi)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:India&diff=next&oldid=104627136 Your BJP example might be a little disingenious, but fwiiw, I agree we shouldn't waste space on heaping up adjectives. BJP is notable for being ''nationalist far-right''. That's 21 characters, and if we're going to mention BJP at all, these 21 characters are well invested for pointing out why we do. As it is, the politics section doesn't make clear the nature of the BJP intermezzo. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 18:04, 31 January 2007 (UTC)Comment:Far right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Bharatveer&diff=68194382&oldid=68181618 stop harassing me. I am not anti-Hindu or anti-Indian: I have no interest in Indian politics, and only limited interest in contemporary Hinduism. I would just like to contribute to articles on ancient Indo-Iranian texts in peace, and in accordance with academic mainstream. If you think that scholarly discussion of the history of India and Hinduism is "anti-Indian" or "anti-Hindu", that is entirely your own problem. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|('''&#5839;''') ] ]</small> 14:21, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Caucasian_race&diff=prev&oldid=10196890 Indians are referred to as Caucasian? really? see [ [ :Image:Map of skin color distribution.gif ] ] according to which East Asians have a lighter complexion that Indians. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] 12:22, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dbachmann&diff=prev&oldid=112045276 But I cannot help but note that while we get a lot of Hindu editors, depressingly the vast majority appears to be entirely clueless, without editorial skills to speak of (a language problem, I suppose), and bent on piling on rambling nonsense. I really appreciate if you can invest some effort into patrolling these articles and remove the more obvious crust of the piled up rambling. .. I suggest you try a similar approach with the articles you mention. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 10:33, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Dbachmann&diff=prev&oldid=113272459 Nothing like the tag team of nationalist trolls that are pushing this RfC. I'll be very happy to accept any outside evaluation of the "manuscript" case, no RfC is necessary, just use [ [ Talk:Illustrated manuscript ] ]. The real problem are the bunch of Hindu ideologist editors who insist their [ [ cargo cult science ] ] is as good as any other science, and go ad hominem when their attempts are exposed. Let us not let Wikipedia become a platform for ethnic nationalism. If we had a half-dozen of German editors RfCing me because I tried to expose [ [ Nordic theory ] ] as pseudoscientific nonsense and suppressing fringe authors arguing there may be something to it in spite of everything, they would be blocked as trolls in five minutes. Can we please apply the same measure to all flavours of racist nonsense and ethnic supremacism? [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#
x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 08:14, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dbachmann&diff=prev&oldid=136286520 the only people that care about [ [ Indian mathematics ] ] are Indians with a collective inferiority complex. And we both know that the less educated or self-assured you are, the more aggressively you will push your national honour on the most absurd points. Our problem is not with real kooks so much as with second-generation expatriate youths who are shedding their testosterone properly intended for tribal warfare in front of the screen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dbachmann&diff=316463211&oldid=316463090

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dbachmann&diff=285056814&oldid=285048572
you are right. The articles [[Hindu-Arabic numeral system]], [[Arabic numerals]] and [[Indian numerals]] have been kept separate in order to appease the angry young Hindu editors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Marxist_historiography&diff=prev&oldid=336035272

*Talk:Ancient Egypt, Talk:Afrocentrism
On these and related sites, Dbachmann complains that while White Nationalists are not respected on Wikipedia, the Black Afrocentrists are too much tolerated on wikipedia. He attacks African-American editors like deecevoice. As in other areas, his edits seem more rightwing than anything else (he only quotes leftist sources when it suits him, ie in Hindu topics when attacking Hindus).

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ADaGizza&diff=80372423&oldid=80363316 too often I am accused of being a clueless meddling whiteboy by Hindus for being involved in areas where I ''do'' have expertise.
Comment:I take objection to his comment which could not unreasonably be construed as suggesting that Hindu editors of wikipedia are racist. I would also like to point out that if Dbachmann suffers from a negative image among some editors, that he might be able to attenuate that negative image by accepting that it is inappropriate behavior for him to make comments such as his "It figures that you should feel so strongly about my comment about 'clueless Indians' since you are obviously one of them." Of course it is unlikely that Hindus have called him a "whiteboy" (he offers no link), but he may have been called "clueless". I will not comment on his so-called "expertise", the said user is of course also known for his many obvious factual mistakes, but this text is only concerned about bias, not about factual mistakes, in line with Wikipedia's policy of "assume good faith". It is in any case well known that wikipedia's pov-warriors are rather ignorant of the subjects they edit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dbachmann/Parliamentary_nationalism (makes a list that attempts to show that India has the most nationalists in any country. He does this by including moderate center-right parties (BJP, wich was the ruling party some years ago) for India, while for all other countries he only includes extreme far-right parties without any of the other rightist and conservative parties. No wonder then that in Dab's statistic countries which are effectively ruled by a right-wing goverenment like Berlusconi's Italy rank lower than India.) If he wouldn't lie that much with his "statistics", the list would look very different.
Parliaments listed by the fraction of nationalist parties
* >27% India (2004) BJP 22.16% Nationalist Trinamool Congress 2.07%, Shiv Sena 1.81%, Nationalist Congress Party 1.80% + others
* 22.1% Turkey (2007) Nationalist Movement Party 14.3%, Motherland Party (Turkey) 3.7%, Young Party 3.5%, Great Union Party 0.6% (not counting Republican People's Party (Turkey) 11.9%)
* 12.7% Italy (2006) National Alliance (Italy) 11.5%, Social Alternative 1.2%
* 12.3% Russia (2003) Rodina/Fair Russia 9.2% + 1.9% + 1.2%
* 9.5% Poland (2005) League of Polish Families 8.0%, Patriotic Movement 1.1%, Polish National Party 0.3%, National Rebirth of Poland 0.1%
* 8.2% Spain (2004) Convergence and Unity 3.3%, Basque Nationalist Party 1.6%, Canarian Coalition 0.9%, Galician Nationalist Bloc 0.8%,Andalucista Party 0.7%, Aragonese Council 0.4%, Basque Solidarity 0.3%, Navarra Yes 0.2%
* 5.5% France (2007), National Front (France) 4.29%, Movement for France 1.2%
* 3.5% UK (2005), SNP 1.5%, BNP 0.7%, Sinn Féin 0.6%, Plaid Cymru 0.6%
* 3.0% Sweden (2006) Sweden Democrats 2.93%, National Democrats (Sweden) 0.06%
* 2.3% Greece (2004) Popular Orthodox Rally 2.2%, Hellenic Front 0.1%
* 1.6% Germany (2005), NPD
* 1.0% Switzerland (2003), SD

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=252851421
Surprise, some [[American-Born Confused Desi|ABCD]] jokers have discovered this article once again.
Edit summary: yes, by ABCD I mean [[American-Born Confused Desi|ABCD]].

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shrikant_G._Talageri&diff=130533520&oldid=126242633
Dbachmann deletes article on author Talageri, an author with opposing views

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Quantum_mysticism&oldid=139849258
He must be especially proud of this pov-ish article, as he linked to this version of the article at one time from his userpage.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hindu_astrology&diff=332474135&oldid=332474021 introduces unrelated political smears against Hindus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Aratta
I have reduced the paragraph to something I consider sensible, keeping the Witzel and the Rohl reference. Citing bona fide scholars like Witzel or Rohl alongside obvious kooks like Elst or Kavoukjian is silly. If you have a good reference, why dilute it with crappy ones? dab (ð’ ³) 13:41, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ram_Sharan_Sharma
"Marxist" is a slur thrown around by the religious right in India. It basically means "anyone to the poltical left of Attila the Hun". Just because some critic gave the epithet "Marxist" to this author doesn't make it so. It's also interesting how this supposedly Marxist historian doesn't seem to have published anything about Marxism at all. --dab (ð’ ³) 20:16, 4 January 2010 (UTC) Comment: He has absolutely no problem if much worse "slurs" are applied to Hindus.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Hindu_politics&diff=273607239&oldid=273604780
adds [Hindu Taliban]]{{·}}[[Saffronization]]<br/> [[Kar Sevaks]]

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=P._N._Oak&diff=prev&oldid=239946426
Dbachmann links PNO to VOI, Elst, Gautier and to Hindu politics, when in fact these people, for example Elst, have critcized PNO and are not directly related.
Also, to paraphrase, the only ones who care for PNO seem to be anti-Hindu pov warriors.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christianity_and_other_religions&diff=prev&oldid=156888785 deletes literature

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dbachmann&diff=prev&oldid=184470592
Comment implying that Hindus should not be allowed to edit Hindu political articles (and equating Hindus (and Armenians and African-Americans like deecevoice) with Nazis).

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dbachmann&diff=prev&oldid=192927937
User comment on Dbachmann: I almost had the illusion that you were sincere in your criticism of Nazi-POV pushers, and really thought about making a rectification to my opinion that you are not.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nordic_race&diff=192788522&oldid=192743215] Still I don't get it: Since I am fighting this POV pushing of Zara1709 for a long time now, I wonder why you would be so vehemently AGAINST such edits IF I would be the editor, but AGREE to such edits now they are made by a well known Nazi-POV pusher that you consider a friend? Please tell me at once, you still think to be credible in accusing others of a hidden agenda?

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard&oldid=325903391#Race_and_Intelligence
One of many places where Dbachmann takes a position against "leftist" PC (political correctness) and against the claim that racial studies (as in the rightwing Mankind Quaterly) are pseudoscience. Maybe not very controversial stuff here, but it's one of many places that show again and again that he really is only obsessive with ideological smears ("fascism", "racism", "rightwing",...) when it can be used against Indians (or also sometimes balkans, kurds, and afrocentrists). On his talkpage he also says: I do have an interest in ancient history, but I have been dealing with puerile nationalists abusing ancient history to make themselves feel better about their ingroup since 2004, so I am just a little tired of the exercise. --dab (ð’ ³) 08:06, 16 April 2012 (UTC). Again not very controversial at first sight, though the jargon used here (ingroup,outgroup) is very commonly used by neo-nazis and anti-semites like Kevin Macdonald.

He also criticizes a respected Hindu editor only because his signature includes the Indian flag. He also tries to find allies with some Hindu editors, who do not know or do not care about his biases, to form a common task force to gain more power in this area.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Br%C4%81hm%C4%AB_script
Seriously, we still get Elst/Rajaram/Kak style "Voice of India" type trolling about Indigenous Aryans, in the year 2012? This is just so 2006. Leodescal, we have been there. People have tried this. Nothing came of it. So please don't bother, you are six years late. --dab (ð’ ³) 12:13, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

==Islam and Islamism==
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:National_Development_Front&diff=109282314&oldid=109101755 They may well be a "militant Islamist" group, I wouldn't know, but before we're not going to state that as a fact if it is disputed. As it is, we don't even have a source that calls them "militant Islamist". One article calls them as "shadowy outfit", and I don't doubt they are. But usually, you can tell a group is "militant Islamist" because they tell you they are, waving rifles and shouting a lot. A group that does ''not'' self-identify as militant Islamist shouldn't be so called lightly, certainly not on WP. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 11:25, 19 February 2007 (UTC)Comment:Compare with his edits on "Hindutva" articles. If it's Hindutva, we're less strict about it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Anonymous_editor&diff=prev&oldid=26509161Comment:Supports adminship of an Islamist and Anti-Hindu editor
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Anonymous_editor&diff=34219045&oldid=34214560 ah, congratulations! I hadn't followed RFAs recently, or I would have supported you, of course. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|('''&#5839;''') ] ]</small> 07:45, 7 January 2006 (UTC)Comment:Supports adminship of an Islamist and Anti-Hindu editor

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:TerryJ-Ho&diff=93348674&oldid=93314836 [ [ Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Hkelkar/Proposed_decision#TerryJ-Ho_banned|this ] ] is appalling. A user with a clean reputation is given the same penalty as the confirmed returning insidious Hindutva sockpuppeteer from hell? For ''pointing out'' that the user is the returning insidious Hindutva sockpuppeteer from hell, a circumstance that the arbcom [ [ Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Hkelkar/Proposed_decision#Sockpuppets_2|acknowledges ] ] on the very same page? Do arbcommers even read cases anymore, or do they simply sign where it says "support". All sorts edit Wikipedia. Including fascists. I know ''I'' have called fascists fascists on-wiki. Thank you arbcom, I am sure people will be really motivated to stand up against fascist editors seeing that they will be treated as one and the same. So TerryJ-Ho was incivil? Towards an obnoxious sockpuppeteer that has cost Wikipedia dozens of wasted man-hours? Well,
ban him for 24 hours, then, or for a week at most, but this is simply out of proportion. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 11:51, 10 December 2006 (UTC)Comment:Defends Islamist and Anti-Hindu editor against the Hindutva editor from Hell

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Bishonen&diff=prev&oldid=93349140 ==arbcom sheep votes==
I would be interested in your opinion on [ [ User_talk:TerryJ-Ho#Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration.2FHkelkar_2|this ] ]. It appears to me that the arbcom in their anxiety to ''appear'' even-handed mete out symmetric penalties for very asymmetric offenses. I understand their approach, too, that's why I wouldn't want an arbcom office. But by cracking down on anti-ideological vigilants they are seriously harming WP's immunity system preventing us from becoming a propaganda hosting service. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 11:57, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Comment:Defends Islamist and Anti-Hindu editor

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Nadirali&diff=107604019&oldid=107603239 This strikes me as an "anti-Pakistani" RfAr. It is an open secret that WP has Pakistani vs. Indian tag teams pitted against one another. This makes it very tedious and frustrating for neutral editors to get anything done, and it would be the job of the arbcom to implement sanctions that allow admins to deal swiftly and effectively with such unproductive behaviour. As such, this RfAr is necessary. But surely the arbcom doesn't want to rehash "India vs. Pakistan" with a sleuth of different usernames every four weeks. The pattern of the problem should be recognized and addressed. You would expect that a good faith RfAr would list both sides of the Indo/Pak divide, but as it happens, only Pak editors are accused, while the Indian team isn't so much as mentioned. Both sides are misbehaving (Unre4l was particularly hilarious, while the Indian team acheiving an essential deadlock on [ [ India ] ] recently), and both should
be reviewed. Feel free to cite this diff in your "statement" section as my outside view (there is no third party comments section at this stage). regards, [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 17:49, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2005_Ram_Janmabhoomi_attack_in_Ayodhya&diff=prev&oldid=116756605 Removes [ [ :Category:Islamist terrorism ] ] Edit summary:(correct me, but "Islamist terror" would be unlikely to target a mosque?)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=NDF&diff=prev&oldid=116755338 (deletes militant, compare with his edits in "Hindutva" articles) (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Communalism_%28South_Asia%29&diff=prev&oldid=116756269)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Communalism_%28South_Asia%29&diff=prev&oldid=116755077

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hindutva&diff=prev&oldid=117956193

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Understanding_Islam_through_Hadis&diff=prev&oldid=118284029 Deletes that the book is a study on the Sahih Muslim, adds: The book is an [ [ anti-Muslim ] ] florilegium from a [ [ Hindu nationalist ] ] perspective on the [ [ Sahih Muslim ] ], the second most important collection of [ [ Hadith ] ]s, and as such part of the "[ [ communalism (South Asia)|communalist ] ]" culture war in India. Deletes [ [ :Category:Islamic studies books ] ]


http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indigenous_Aryan_Theory&diff=104865215&oldid=104802496 In this context, the notion of "indigenous" Hinduism vs. "invasive" [ [ Islam ] ] is employed to fan hostility between the adherents of these religions. (POV, if not Original research)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indigenous_Aryan_Theory&oldid=94506740 and http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indigenous_Aryan_Theory&diff=110032195&oldid=110030708 and http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indigenous_Aryan_Theory&oldid=110314277 It is designed as the ideological counterpart of .... the conflict between [ [ Hinduism ] ] and [ [ Islam in India ] ] on the other hand (the main religious division of the Republic of India). The implicit argument is that "Indigenous Aryans" take away any claim of priority from ... while at the same time facilitating the portrayal of Islam as a recent and "foreign" [ [ Islamic conquest of India|violent intrusion ] ] into a monolithic and immutable native Indo-Aryan (Hindu) culture of incalculable antiquity. (POV, if not Original research)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dbachmann&diff=prev&oldid=79618625 The relation of Hindu to Hindutva is about the same as [ [ Islam ] ] to [ [ Islamism ] ]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hindutva&diff=prev&oldid=117526105 POV (claims that Golwalkar was a Nazi supporter, a very disputed (and probably wrong) view, compares him with an "Islamist"...)

==Hindutva==
(Wants to merge Hindu nationalism into Hindutva)
Often uses neologisms like "Hindu nationalist mysticism", a term which can be interpreted as national socialism
Hint: Count how many times the word Hindutva occurs

*Category:Hindutva created by Dbachmann, who OTOH thinks that the category of another politicized neologism, "Eurabia", should be deleted. Compare with Eurocentrism, which he claims does not exist (although he himself is proof to the contrary, with his and his fellows constant minimizing of non-European, non-Arabian cultures, science and history and by cultural chauvinism). (Hindutva is a neologism, and often pejorative term), Articles added to category by Dbachmann: Dayananda Sarasvati, Tilak, The Rigveda-A Historical Analysis, AIT, BJP. (He puts the wrong Dayananda Saraswati into the Hindutva category, as he is not aware that there other famous Hindus with the same name.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=India&diff=prev&oldid=104628966 national parties like the center-left [ [ Indian National Congress ] ], the nationalist far-right [ [ Bharatiya Janata Party ] ],

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:India&diff=prev&oldid=104628987 BJP is notable for being ''nationalist far-right''.
Comment:far right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:India&diff=prev&oldid=104825849 If the BJP is merely "conservative", I would venture, George W. Bush is a renaissance humanist. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 12:17, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Historical_Vedic_religion&diff=23333011&oldid=23332932 Arguments from Astronomy, or, worse, geology (Sarasvati), are usually worthless Hindutva red herrings, and at best circumstantial evidence (see the ''Pleiades'' reference in the [ [ Rigveda ] ] article [ http://users.primushost.com/~india/ejvs/ejvs0502/ejvs0502.txt ]). [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|('''&#5839;''') ] ]</small> 09:14, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dbachmann&diff=prev&oldid=79618625 When I use the term ''[ [ Hindutva ] ]'' I am referring to the fanatical/fundamentalist [ [ national mysticism|national mysticists ] ]. "Hindutva" is a recent and artificial term and refers to precisely this attitude, combining Hinduism with extremist right-wing nationalist politics: The relation of Hindu to Hindutva is about the same as [ [ Islam ] ] to [ [ Islamism ] ]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hindutva&diff=prev&oldid=111849531 Central concepts of Hindutva surround [ [ National mysticism ] ] and the notion of "[ [ Indigenous Aryans ] ]"...These notions correspond to an [ [ irredentist ] ] and [ [ jingoist ] ] stance in questions of contemporary [ [ Indian politics ] ]...* emphasizing historical oppression of [ [ Hindu ] ]s...and the call to "reverse" the influence resulting from these intrusions...* denunciation of [ [ British colonialism ] ] and [ [ Communism ] ] alike for a perceived weakening of [ [ Hindu ] ]s...* The irredentist call...* denunciation of the [ [ Government of India|Indian government ] ] as too passive

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hindutva&diff=prev&oldid=112039750 and http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hindutva&diff=prev&oldid=112081385 Central concepts of Hindutva surround [ [ National mysticism ] ] and the notion of "[ [ Indigenous Aryans ] ]" These notions correspond to an [ [ irredentist ] ] and [ [ ethnic nationalism|ethnic nationalist ] ] stance in questions of contemporary [ [ Indian politics ] ]:
Edit summary:which term is pejorative here?

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vedic_Science_%28Hindutva%29&diff=prev&oldid=118514360
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pseudo-scientific_currents_in_Hindutva_propaganda&diff=prev&oldid=117987737
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hindu_extremism&diff=prev&oldid=113839573
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hindutva_propaganda&diff=prev&oldid=112791356 (possible move target)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hindutva_revisionism&diff=prev&oldid=112791376 (possible move target)
Comment:wants to create article "Hindutva revisionism"

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hindutva:_Who_is_a_Hindu%3F&diff=prev&oldid=113057355 identifying Hindus with the inheritors of a postulated [ [ Aryan race ] ] "[ [ indigenous Aryans|indigenous ] ]" to [ [ Greater India ] ]. {{cquote|the [ [ Aryan ] ]s who settled in India at the dawn of history already formed a nation, now embodied in the Hindus.... Hindus are bound together not only by the tie of the love they bear to a common fatherland and by the common blood that courses through their veins and keeps our hearts throbbing and our affection warm but also by the tie of the common homage we pay to our great civilisation, our Hindu culture."|(p. 108)}}Comment:false statement, selective quote

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Hindu_nationalism&diff=prev&oldid=113070461 the article certainly needs constant monitoring and cleanup. The only topic with a comparable activity of nationalist editors is the [ [ Macedonia ] ] complex. It also needs to be merged to [ [ Hindutva ] ], since, by both articles' admission, the terms are used interchangeably (see section above). [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xEF;&#xBF;&#x153;) ] ]</small> 14:56, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hindu_nationalism&diff=prev&oldid=113072125
Deletes: The early Congress leaders like [ [ Bal Gangadhar Tilak ] ] wanted a free and united nation, with recognition of Indian heritage; and worked towards a consciousness liberated from foreign cultural and political intrusions. But owing to the separatist politics of the [ [ Muslim League ] ], a different expression arose in the era that was specifically Hindu. Many Hindus harbored negative emotions as many great Hindu temples, monuments and communities had been savaged by pogroms conducted by Muslim rulers like [ [ Babar ] ], [ [ Aurangzeb ] ], [ [ Nadir Shah ] ], [ [ Muhammad Ghori ] ], [ [ Mahmud of Ghazni ] ], [ [ Timur Lame ] ] and [ [ Ahmad Shah Abdali ] ]. Changes Hindu to Hindu nationalist movements: Hindu nationalist movements desired freedom not only from European [ [ colonialism ] ], but also wanted to avoid a return [ [ Muslim conquest in the Indian subcontinent|Muslim rule ] ].

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=113270678 I don't know how this is an "incident", but I could certainly do with some admins backing up my eternal struggle with our resident propagandists. Help prevent Wikipedia from becoming a platform for national mysticism and shoddy pseudo-scholarship (um, more than it already is, that is). Look into [ [ Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Indigenous Aryan Theory ] ] and [ [ Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nicholas Kazanas ] ] while you're at it. It will also be instructive to review block log and contribs of {{vandal|Sisodia}} (was involved in an arbcom case within two weeks of his registring). [ '''Yes''', this is a call for you to get involved here. Don't leave me sitting in it for another two months, and then ''tsk'' me disapprovingly as you find me in the middle of a ring of screaming Indian patriots two monts from now ] Thanks, [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#
x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 07:48, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dbachmann&diff=prev&oldid=113289909 There ''is'' a Hindutva propaganda being sneaked onto Wikipedia, and we ''have'' to be vigilant about this. Bona fide points sympathetic to the propagandists can still be made, but they will have to be scrutinized with extra care. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 10:58, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dbachmann&diff=prev&oldid=113290191 There ''is'' a Hindutva campaign to instrumentalize Wikipedia (mainly implemented by your typical young male Indian American ("[ [ ABCD ] ]") engineering or math student), and we ''have'' to be vigilant about this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Saffron_%28disambiguation%29&diff=prev&oldid=113837754

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dbachmann&diff=next&oldid=180371779

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Hindutva_pseudoscience&diff=prev&oldid=117608297 Of course this article was created under pressure and harassment from our Hindutva troll(s)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hindu_extremism&diff=prev&oldid=117714861 Hindutva *is* our article on "Hindu extremism")

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hindu_nationalism&diff=prev&oldid=118262556 (pov change)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hindutva&diff=121427542&oldid=121425871 (pov, e.g. [ [ :Category:Propaganda in India ] ][ [ :Category:Pseudoscience ] ][ [ :Category:Historical revisionism (political) ] ][ [ :Category:National mysticism ] ][ [ :Category:Hindutva|Pseudoscience ] ])

Dbachmann tries again to make the case that Islamic and Christian fundamentalism is just the same as political Hinduism, as usual he tries to establish a moral equivalence between political Hinduism and Islamism, the latter being responsible for the deaths of literally hundreds of thousands of people around the world:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Hindutva&diff=270179739&oldid=270179489

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dbachmann&diff=438735938&oldid=438735610#Gandhi
The usual tired cliches about how it is the RSS that starts riots, the RSS should hold readings of the Quran (which actually also critics of Islam find would be a good idea, and why does the same not count for Muslims?), and how the British gave railways and the Indians should therefore be thankful for colonialism (the railroads were used for economic exploitation), and also claiming he also or even primarly focuses on European fascism, while it is clear that on wikipedia he is only obsessed by Hindu (and to a smaller degree, afrocentric) nationalism.

==Arya Samaj==

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Swami_Dayananda_Saraswati&diff=prev&oldid=117527012 Dayananda and his Arya Samaj provide the ideological underpinnings of the [ [ Hindutva ] ] movement of the 20th century,
Comment:Is he against Hinduism AND Hindutva, as they are the same?

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Arya_Samaj&diff=prev&oldid=117527582 The doctrines of Arya Samaj are identified as [ [ religious fundamentalism ] ] by Ruthven (2007:108).
[ [ :Category:Fundamentalism ] ]



==Hindutva Propaganda==
Comment: Edit history was deleted. Typical non-neutral pov article. Keywords: Hindutva,pseudoscience, pseudohistory, pseudoarchaeology, Hindu fundamentalism ethnic nationalism, Nazi blood and soil mysticism,revisionist literature, saffronized textbooks and curricula. Article contained pov against Dayanada, Vivekanda, Voice of India, Aditya Prakashan, B.B Lal, S.R. Rao, B.K. Thapar, S.P. Gupta, Savarkar, Golwalkar etc. (e.g. Dayananda's writings are recognized as having an element of religious fundamentalism.) He has also protected the article after editing it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dbachmann/Wikipedia_and_nationalism/Hindutva_and_pseudoscience

Of notable influence were the writings of Swami Dayananda Sarasvati and Swami Vivekananda. Dayananda Saraswati rejected...Dayananda's writings are recognized as having an element of religious fundamentalism....In 1900, Vivekananda said that ....n conjunction with the relativist revisionism outlined above, most of the revisionist literature being published by the firms Voice of Dharma and Aditya Prakashan......A. Ghosh, Bhan (p. 24) sees a rise in pseudo-scientific conclusions in emotional subjects like the "Archaeology of the Ramayana" by archaeologists such as B.B. Lal and S.P. Gupta. After 1990, "tradition-based archaeology" intensified, with scholars such as B.B Lal, S.R. Rao and B.K. Thapar .......Guha (2005) sees a rise in exploitation of archaeology for nationalist purposes in the wake of the 1992 destruction of the Babri Mosque and the ensuing "Ayodhya debate.....Voice of India and Aditya Prakashan are at the center of the allegations a cottage industry indulging in historical revisionism put forward
by Michael Witzel .....


http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=NCERT_controversy&diff=prev&oldid=117970868

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dbachmann&diff=prev&oldid=119127986 This is an exposition of the fringe literature that is being pushed by authors with a Hindutva (Hindu nationalist) ideology.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Hindutva_propaganda&diff=prev&oldid=119238426



http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Hindutva_propaganda&diff=prev&oldid=119456775 ''comment''', can we close this AfD as undignified mudslinging? It does nothing but parade our resident and well-known "pov brigade" voting "delete" in unison. Not interesting, not the point of AfD, not flattering for anyone involved. Support your cherished pov by citing academic sources, not by on-wiki campaigning. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 09:44, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Comment:considering some of the insulting comments ('pov brigade' is a relatively benign example) you've made recently about Hindu editors, your accusations of undignified mudslinging are surprising.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Hindutva_propaganda&diff=prev&oldid=119670872

*indeed. The editors at [ [ Nazi propaganda ] ] having the advantage of being able to build the article in peace without a bunch of Nazis pulling it down and indulging in general trolling hoping to confuse the unsuspecting reader. If our merry Hindutva band could behave for a few days, maybe we could make some actual progress. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 07:32, 2 April 2007 (UTC)


http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_deletion/Hindutva_propaganda&diff=prev&oldid=119738975 if this is the case, I wonder why Wikipedia sees so much blatant abuse by pro-Hindutva editors, while I still have to see any trolling perpetrated by anti-Hindutva communalists (yeah, so there was {{user|John945}}, poor soul, no question the result of a concerted propaganda campaign by the united Marxist anti-BJP forces of India). I would love to believe poor Hindutvavadis are just the victim of anti-Hindu propaganda, but the only people making fools of themselves by trying to sell pathetic and blatant propaganda on Wikipedia happen to be pro-Hindutva. Anti-Hindu conspracy or no, the article in question isn't based on India-based Marxist media outlets, it is based on academic publications. Refute it by citing other academic publications if you can, but stop trying to conduct the debate on-wiki. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</
small> 15:39, 2 April 2007 (UTC) Comment:One only sees what one wants to see.


http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Hindutva_propaganda&diff=prev&oldid=119949527 the only hate I can see here is that of the rag-tag band of nationalist pov-pushers preferring to troll AfD over doing actual work and constructive editing.

*Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hindutva propaganda The result was delete, who have a rough consensus and have put up and argued a much stronger argument in this debate, based on official policy. The responses to the delete comments based on NPOV and OR were less than satisfactory, and judging the article in the present and in the near future, I cannot see these concerns being fixed anytime soon, if at all. (compare this AFD with AFD of Nicholas Kazanas, Bias in South Asian Studies)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=121001448 [ Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hindutva propaganda|this ] ] deletion by {{user|Daniel.Bryant}} is nothing short of scandalous. There is nothing like a "consensus", and about half of the delete votes are from single-topic or trolling accounts. (Also says somewhere on ANI that an editor who voted in the AFD and commented on ANI is not neutral in this because he is Hindu)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Daniel.Bryant&diff=121007676&oldid=121007522 You have deleted a well referenced article based on a blatantly bad faith AfD, where half of the "delete" votes were from pov-pushing accounts,This is a disheartening precedent of Wikipedia caving in under the sustained Hindutva attack, and I care enough about the project's immunity from ideological subversion to take your decision all the way to arbcom if necessary. regards, [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 17:30, 7 April 2007 (UTC) (The deleted article was not named "Crititcism of Hindutva")
*[ ? ] Claims that there are AFD votes (sympathies for Hindus) because of PC (political correctness) and (sympathies for) "poor indians"

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Hindutva_pseudoscience_%282nd_nomination%29&diff=prev&oldid=117954197

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2007_April_9


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User talk:Nobleeagle/Archive12: The present "supporters" are a Greek Yoga teacher, personal friend of the main source of contempoary Hindutva pseudoscience, and the author of Saffron Swastika...What do you want? There can be no disputing that the topic is spammed by unscholarly mysticism. The blatant contraditions between the various "indigenous Aryans" scenarios makes this more than evident. If your intention is really to obscure the existence of such blatant propaganda stunts, ..


==Saffronization==
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Saffronization&diff=prev&oldid=113839144 deletes: "an [ [ anti-Hindu ] ] slur by [ [ far left ] ] and [ [ Islamist ] ] groups, such as when addressing allegations of [ [ Hindu nationalist ] ] bias in education or otherwise "imposing Hindu Law" in society."

==Saffron terror==
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Saffron_terror&diff=337041233&oldid=337039346
deletes:
The word is most often used and in a sense coined by the secular political parties and the academia to counter-balance Islamic terror,<ref>[http://www.dailypioneer.com/137435/Wages-of-politics-of-cynicism.html Wages of politics of cynicism] The Pioneer, November 28, 2008</ref> so that the muslim population are not selectively blamed.

==Indus Valley Civilization==

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Indus_Valley_Civilization&diff=7779795&oldid=7778585 this kind of statement makes me cringe. It's about as unscientiic as you can get. They practically admit that there is a desired outcome, rather than subscribing to neutral research. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] 10:23, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)

===Indus script===

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indus_script&diff=63583711&oldid=63071841 ===Amateur research===The topic is popular among amateur researchers, and there are various decipherment claims. Several authors, such as [ [ Shikaripura Ranganatha Rao|S. R. Rao ] ] and R. Hasenpflug (2006 [ http://www.indus-civilization.info ]), have attempted to prove that the script encodes [ [ Vedic Sanskrit ] ]. These theories are not accepted by most scholars.
Comment:Puts Kak and others under Amateur research, but of course not the (non-mainstream view) Farmer-Witzel paper

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Indus_script&diff=68073259&oldid=68072105 indeed. Kak is, as always, creating so much hot air beside the point. Should be ignored. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|('''&#5839;''') ] ]</small> 21:42, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Indus_script&diff=69023713&oldid=69023509 Kak is a sophisticated kook with 'renaissance man' aspirations. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|('''&#5839;''') ] ]</small> 14:31, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Indus_script&diff=75693611&oldid=75433949 I think our hero is a [ [ User talk:212.192.128.4|kubannet.ru customer ] ] situated in Moscow :) [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|('''&#5839;''') ] ]</small> 12:52, 14 September 2006 (UTC)




==Sarasvati River==
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Sarasvati_River&diff=prev&oldid=25126124 It's just the conflating with the name "Sarasvati", a Hindutva idiosyncrasy, that makes the whole thing confusing. I have no problem with saying that Hindutva scholars make the identification.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rigvedic_rivers&diff=prev&oldid=51236142 A minority opinion ascribes the loss of prominence of the Sarasvati to the dring up of the Ghaggar-Hakra

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sarasvati_River&diff=prev&oldid=25013544 and http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sarasvati_River&diff=prev&oldid=25011909
Comment:Probably Dbachmann as IP sockpuppet (83.76.209.47) who exports part (but according to talkpage not all) of the text to another article

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Sarasvati_River&diff=prev&oldid=25126124 However, this article consistently confuses arguments abut the Ghaggar-Hakra River with arguments about the ''Vedic'' Sarasvati River as described in the texts. Sure there can be a short section discussing the proposed identification. But details about IVC archaeology and geology should go to the Ghaggar-Hakra article.
Also, did you read the information that was "deleted"? There were about five paragraphs saying exactly the same thing, along the lines of "recent satellite picutures, 500 IVC settlements, etc.". This stuff should be stated once, coherently, on the Ghaggar-Hakra article; this is not even disputed material, everybody believes (I think) that there were settlements along the River pre-2500 BC. It's just the conflating with the name "Sarasvati", a Hindutva idiosyncrasy, that makes the whole thing confusing. I have no problem with saying that Hindutva scholars make the identification. But the discussion of archaeology doesn't belong here: this is what we mean by the "principle of least surprise": Assume somebody is interested in IVC archaeology; they would expect this information in an article about IVC archaeology and geography of Pakistan, not in some article about Vedic texts. [ [ User:Baad|Baad ] ] 10:22, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
Comment:Dbachmann replies for his probable IP sockpuppet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sarasvati_River&diff=prev&oldid=114507399 , http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sarasvati_River&diff=prev&oldid=114746860 , http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sarasvati_River&diff=prev&oldid=116278548

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Sarasvati_River&diff=prev&oldid=115285768





==Ashvamedha==

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ashvamedha&diff=108048430&oldid=108046283 :Kak again :) you may not have noted that we have [ [ Subhash Kak|an article on the man ] ]. It's mostly vanity, he's been editing it himself. Still, I wonder this book hasn't been brought up before, all we had so far was some blog posting of his. A book is certainly better than a blog posting, even if its author is a crank with an ego problem ("acclaimed" indeed :) [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 10:54, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ashvamedha&diff=108053026&oldid=108051675 :I'm not sure we should drag this article too deep into pseudoscholarly kookery. Wikipedia doesn't ''have'' to cite every village idiot. I'm sure you'll put it into context, but I fear it will open the gates to crapflooding the article. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xEF;&#xBF;&#x153;) ] ]</small> 11:37, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ashvamedha&diff=109070631&oldid=109050979 :::[ [ Indigenous Aryans ] ] is really intended as the equivalent of [ [ Elvis sightings ] ] in this topic. We do not give a full list of "sightings" on [ [ Elvis ] ], and similarly, stuff like Kak's belongs there, not here. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 14:17, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ashvamedha&diff=109050979&oldid=108976328 this is quite rich. I was so far prepared to assume that Kak is a bona fide engineer that just happens to dabble in Arya-Samaj-style "Vedic" kookery. But the relativity thing seems to establish that the guy is a complete fake beginning to end. No egineer worth his salt would spout such nonsense about general relativity. As it happens, we do have a full page "devoted to his kookery", it's at [ [ Subhash Kak ] ]. It appears it does need a bit of cleanup, since it seems to depict him as a serious researcher (and poet, of course). We'd also need to check if there is such a thing as a "[ [ Kak neural network ] ]". The article seems to rely on citations of Kak himself to establish that there is a type of neural network named after Kak. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 11:19, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ashvamedha&diff=102963396&oldid=102962593 Kak is well known for producing nonsense as if his life depended on it. Provide an academic review of his "rigvedic astronomy", please? [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 19:31, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ashvamedha&diff=next&oldid=52302008 Are there also people in India who are able to discuss history and religion without the all the gritted teeth and all the paranoia? Of course there should be articles on Indian sociology and politics, it's just not something I am terribly interested in, but if we had a good suite of articles on that, maybe our other articles wouldn't be burdened with so much fundamentalist cruft (I am thinking of [ [ Aryan Invasion Theory ] ], [ [ Bias in South Asian Studies ] ], [ [ Rajputs ] ] and all that, topics that are almost impossible to edit because of the never-ending stream of anonymous immature rants). [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|('''&#5839;''') ] ]</small> 12:52, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ashvamedha&diff=103243124&oldid=103241977 You, sir, are an Arya Samaj troll, as you admit yourself on the Arya Samaj forum, judging from your "avatar", an adolescent zealot, and further discussion is pointless. Do your edits, citing academic sources, or be silent. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 22:23, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

==Indo-Iranian origins==

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gandhara_grave_culture&diff=58924883&oldid=58921170 [ [ Image:Indo-Iranian origins.png|thumb|300px|archaeological cultures associated with Indo-Iranian expansion (after [ [ EIEC ] ]). ] ]
Comment: image spammed to many articles with non-neutral image caption according to a talk page

==Indology==
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indology&diff=116995370&oldid=116994453 small deletions, POV

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indology&diff=117498345&oldid=117117708 deletes links, some of these were maybe redundant, but belong to the Criticism section

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Indology&diff=prev&oldid=116994996 (while in reality, there probably wouldn't exist printed editions of these works without academia)?



==Quantum quakery==
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Quantum_quackery&oldid=118991045 (pov-ish article created by Dbachmann)
Quantum quackery and New Age "mystical physics" begin in earnest in the 1970s Fritjof Capra. In The Tao of Physics Capra asserts that quantum physics confirms Eastern mystical teachings, a claim taken up in the 1980s by Hindutva pseudoscience.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Deepak_Chopra&diff=prev&oldid=117968289
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Dancing_Wu_Li_Masters&diff=prev&oldid=118228418
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Quantum_mysticism&diff=136803039&oldid=136802777 (what is a New-Age/quantum-mysticist agenda?)



==Other==

*Often deletes cited/referenced text without any edit-summary. Sometimes inserted errors/false claims into articles and talkpages. It is of course not a problem if a wikipedian inserts false claims, makes mistakes or is not widely read or ignorant about a topic, if he acts in good faith. This is only annoying because he too much likes others to believe that he is, and criticizes other wikipedians for the same mistakes but opposing pov.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dbachmann&diff=572889121&oldid=572888819
... I just want to insist that this is a propaganda term no bettern than "racist" or "witch" or "heretic", i.e. it cannot ever be used as if it was some objecive thing that can be discussed as a "fact" in Wikipedia's voice. .... Wikipedia has a lot of "western bias" to be sure, "western bias" these days mostly meaning that there is a gratuitous amount of "white guilt" and western self-depreciation and self-hatred. --dab (ð’ ³) 14:17, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
So the same guy who is busy in supporting the already vast amount Indian "self-depreciation" and "self-hatred" everywhere in wikipedia articles and on talk pages and is the most zealous propagandist for the Aryan Invasion theory on wikipedia (who says that he cannot understand how the theory could "in any way bolster or further chauvinist, colonialist, racist or Eurocentric views"), is also an apologist for racism and white supremacism.

*from his userpage: They will not be a position to intervene in the conflicts of those regions that are less lucky like some benevolent advanced alien race, as this decade is teaching a USA showing the same signs of decadence that are familiar from late Imperial Rome, and others of history's superpowers. "The West" will be more than happy to shut themselves in splendid isolation, or be glad if they can just keep out of the worst bits. The regions that will bleed for this "curb" or "Great 21st Century Turnaround" are those that show a Youth Bulge now, that is, Africa, Southwest, South and Southeast Asia.[ 5 ] These regions are already full of angry young men, and they will be even more so in 25 years' time. Angry young men are quick to embrace religion, nationalism and ideology, but these are essentially interchangable rationalizations for their anthropological impetus to fight until the population pyramid is back in shape.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Rama%27s_Arrow&diff=prev&oldid=110298190 Rama's Arrow, in all friendliness, it does seem to me you are getting a little trigger happy with blocking users over India-related topics. I do suggest you go easy on blocking anyone involved in the great India-Pakistani tag team war, since you are yourself not exactly neutral in this. You can ''always'' post users you think deserve a block to [ [ WP:AN/I ] ] and see if an uninvolved admin agrees enough to block them for you.10:48, 23 February 2007
Comment:Does this also apply to Dbachmann himself, who is not exactly neutral in this, or only to Hindu admins? (Also comments on Rama Arrows RFA?)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=South_Asian_Stone_Age&diff=46955531&oldid=46951554 See also [ [ Ruins in the Gulf of Cambay ] ] for the recent [ [ pseudoarchaeology|pseudoarchaeological ] ] claims of submerged neolithic )or even paleolithical) settlements.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Bias_in_South_Asian_Studies&diff=51851238&oldid=48572948 This whole article reads like a hilarious parody of an Indian screaming "racist bigot imperialist Nazi" at anyone who feels that India is a nation like any other, or Hinduism is a religion like any other. Wikipedia is not a soapbox, take this stuff elsewhere. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|('''&#5839;''') ] ]</small> 17:09, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Bias_in_South_Asian_Studies&diff=51950959&oldid=51950603 your article is fascinating, but it is the fascination of a trainwreck, or of somebody hitting himself over the head repeatedly with a live penguin. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|('''&#5839;''') ] ]</small> 07:21, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Bias_in_South_Asian_Studies&diff=51852225&oldid=51852183 [ [ Indology ] ] is a stub, but here we host a detailed florilegium of every Hindu prejudice on the internet. This is not even a pov-fork of [ [ Indology ] ], it is an ''ab-initio'' pov-fest, completely one-sided, unsalvageably biased and unencyclopedic. Wikipedia is not a soapbox. A short "history" and "alleged bias" section on [ [ Indology ] ] will be more than enough. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|('''&#5839;''') ] ]</small> 17:15, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Indian_mathematics&diff=prev&oldid=110290363 Fowler&fowler is a mature and academic editor proficient in the field, and Freedomskies is a zealous angry young man with an agenda. Just another instance of the well-known drawback of "anyone can edit" (vice-versa its many admitted boons). Enough said, really, the case couldn't be much more clear-cut. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 09:47, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User talk:Nobleeagle/Archive12 The present "supporters" are a Greek Yoga teacher, personal friend of the main source of contempoary Hindutva pseudoscience [ Subhash Kak ], dab (&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) 08:29, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Argumentative_Indian

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:India&diff=prev&oldid=105769484 why always this obsession with "world's oldest"? There is no native historiography in India, which means that any dating attempts are reduced to wild guessing. Just say things are "old", or "ancient" if you must, and go easy on the superlatives. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 10:21, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:India&oldid=104917479

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Indian_mathematics&diff=prev&oldid=110681406 :as always when commenting on India related topics (he rarely comments on anything else), Bakaman is lost in wild-eyed paranoia, elevating his habitual playing of the "race-card" to some sort of fundamental editing principle. I have no idea why an editor with such an attitude is still with us at all. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 22:34, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Rama%27s_Arrow&diff=53021034&oldid=53017913
*[ ] He sweepingly writes on a talkpage that greek mathematics (astronomy) predates Indian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Rudrasharman&diff=prev&oldid=110810404 :yes, I was saddened to find that some of Wikipedia's major "Aryan trolls" work as ''physicists'' at an American university. They are typically in their twenties, mostly "[ [ American-Born Confused Desi ] ]", with a capital C in "Confused". While we could excuse teenage zeal, but people with an education in scientific method (at least of the [ [ User:Freedom skies|engineering ] ] variety) cannot claim such innocence. They do know better, and I put much of their aggression down to secretly knowing that they are pushing bullshit. At what point does patriotism induce you to switch off your brain, I could never understand. [ [ Subhash Kak ] ] is something like the archetype of this sort of affliction. The phenomenon is closely related to [ [ Crank (person)|crankery ] ] in general: obviously intelligent people unable to use their intelligence to review their basic axioms, using all their ingenuity for building a ludicrous
edifice based on flawed principles. They cannot be helped, of course, but we need better ways to effectively protect Wikipedia from them. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 11:33, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Hindu-Arabic_numeral_system&diff=prev&oldid=61733334 People like Bharatveer seem to assume that because they are Indian, they must automatically be an expert on Indian history. Which is a terrible and extremely stupid mistake. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|('''&#5839;''') ] ]</small> 20:11, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indo-European_studies&diff=92951438&oldid=92950379

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Dbachmann&diff=prev&oldid=146210095

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Hindu-Arabic_numeral_system&diff=prev&oldid=61605000 It would be a great world in which people interested in a topic, ''even'' in a topic related to India (gasp) would do a minimal amount of scholarly research instead of all this breathless suprematism. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|('''&#5839;''') ] ]</small> 23:04, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:N._S._Rajaram&diff=prev&oldid=111838669 If you cannot, I suggest we merge this article into a treatment of Hindutva ideology in general, since per [ [ WP:BLP ] ] it is questionable to have an article on a living person that does not clearly qualify as a public figure. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 15:24, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dbachmann&diff=prev&oldid=112047128 The Hindu nationalists who try to bullshit people into believing there is an academic controversy should by no means be presented as the "Hindu side". [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 10:49, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Indo-Aryan_migration&diff=prev&oldid=67646493

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dbachmann&diff=prev&oldid=112046930 The Hindu nationalists who try to bullshit people into believing there is an academic controversy should by no means be presented as the "Hindu side".

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dbachmann&diff=prev&oldid=112074565 Since we can turn up solid academic authors saying that Kak is a complete ideologist crank, there is nothing that speaks against including that. But the sad reality is that there ''is'' no academic case to be made, this is a topic of pseudoscience, and the people pushing it are using the tools of cranks, not scholars.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dbachmann&diff=prev&oldid=113526158 I'm glad you know the feeling, although I imagine these Italian patriots at least forgo ethnic or national mysticisms and claims of proto-Latin in 4000 BC and the like. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 07:46, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Comment:He has never heard of Julius Evola and other such "national mysticists". Again this shows that he will go at great lenghts to imagine a Hindu fascism, but forgos this for some other nationalisms.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Hindutva&diff=prev&oldid=114370486 Files checkuser with title: Hindutva sock army and calls editor Hindutva troll. Clerk note: Moved from Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Hindutva sock army. PTO 20:34, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Kennethtennyson&diff=prev&oldid=115120555

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Islamophobia&diff=prev&oldid=559051979
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Islamophobic_incidents&diff=prev&oldid=559050833
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Eurabia&diff=prev&oldid=559053025
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Immigration_and_crime
These and other edits in other articles by Dab show his bigoted double standard. On the one hand, in areas not related to India, his arguments are right-wing, he defends Scientific racism, talks about how important "immigration and crime" is, and defends anti-Islamic arguments and so on. But when it comes to India articles, he suddenldy uses leftwing sources and arguments in his fight against supposed Hindu nationalists, attacking them because of their alleged Islamophobia, and constantly smearing them with nazism and racism smears.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stereotypes_of_South_Asians&diff=560119734&oldid=559034848
Adds to the article: "More recently, since the early 20th century, large-scale [[immigration]] of South Asians to the western world..."
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stereotypes_of_South_Asians&diff=next&oldid=560119979

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard/Archive35
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard/Archive11
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard/Archive59

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration&diff=next&oldid=115524825 nobody has an interest in an endless series of "Indian patriot" arbcom cases, all alike ([ [ Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan|1 ] ], [ [ Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Hkelkar|2 ] ], [ [ Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Rajput|3 ] ])
Comment:the problem there were only the "Indian patriots"

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=World_Congress_of_Ethnic_Religions&diff=next&oldid=167464967

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History_of_Hinduism&diff=533350392&oldid=532415863
adds the word "scientific racism" to article about the history of Hinduism:
During the 19th century, Hinduism developed a large number of [[new religious movement]]s, partly inspired by the European [[Romanticism]], [[nationalism]], [[scientific racism]] and [[esotericism]]

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Scientific_racism&diff=prev&oldid=533983323
He added the word "scientific racism" to the article (history of hinduism), at the same time he defends scientific racism, saying in the article scienticif racism :"we already have an article on racism. This is not about "pseudoscientific" racism, it is about bona fide, if historical, racial classifications attempting to be reproducible and falsifiable."
"Since "racism" is ''today'' a bad word, people will continue to assume that anything called 'racism' in the ''past'' must automatically classify as evil. This creates a lot of moral outrage and people will go out of their way to emphasize just how wrong racial discrimination is. Ignoring that this article isn't about racial discrimination in the first place. It is simply about the history of what would now be described as [[human genetic variation]], avoiding the ''r'' word. The upshot is that perfectly innocent and perfectly valid observations about the variations in human populations as they developed over the past 40k years is branded "pseudoscientific" just because they were made 100 years ago and did use the word ''race'', not knowing that just the use of that term would turn people off a few generations later.
I have little hope that this article can ever be fixed and become an objective treatment both of the field, of its terminology, and its various historical misuses, because there will always be drive-by editors who see the word "racism" and go into moral berserk mode just to show "they are not racist". Some time it would help to stop and thing about semantics and knee-jerk reactions. --[[User:Dbachmann|dab]] <small>[[User_talk:Dbachmann|(ð’ ³)]]</small> 10:18, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
Dbachmann complains that racism is today a "bad word" and complains about presumbably leftist critics of racism. At the same time, he writes in a wiki article ("history of hinduism") that Hindu revivalists were influenced by scientific racism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_the_Mahabharata_tribes&diff=548291001&oldid=547767297
Many unexplained deletions of material he doesn't like

claims that printing press came with muslims to india (and believes the date must be later than it is) [as this only shows his ignorance, this is not highlighted]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:RSN#Conference_presentation_as_source_in_article_on_Ayurveda
We used to have an article on this. See User:Dbachmann/Wikipedia and nationalism/Hindutva and pseudoscience. It may be time to revive the topic. See also Scientific foreknowledge in the Vedas, Historiography and nationalism. This is the topic you are looking at here. One thing this has certainly nothing to do with whatsoever is an actual scholarly evaluation of the date of the Rigveda. You are free to believe the Rigveda was composed by ancient aliens, but please do not waste Wikipedia's time with your views. The Rigveda depicts a society of the late Bronze Age. They have wheeled chariots and metal swords. I.e. the oldest hymns remember the earliest arrival of the Indo-Aryans, as reflected by the Gandhara culture. You might as well claim that the Iliad dates to 8000 BC, but you should not expect that anyone will think you worth listening to. See also WP:RANDY. --dab (ð’ ³) 09:35, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History_of_Hinduism&diff=533350392&oldid=532415863
deletes
At [[Kalibangan]] (at the [[Ghaggar]] river) the remains of what some writers claim to be [[fire]] [[altar]]s have been unearthed.<ref>B.B. Lal. Frontiers of the Indus Civilization.1984:57-58</ref> S.R. Rao found similar "fire altars" in Lothal which he thinks could have served no other purpose than a ritualistic one.<ref>S.R. Rao. The Aryans in Indus Civilization.1993:175</ref> The presence of fire altars and ritual sacrifice in these settlements and others has been accepted by authors such as [[Edwin Bryant (author)|Edwin Bryant]].<ref>The Quest for the Origins of Vedic Culture: The Indo-Aryan Migration Debate. Edwin Bryant. p160</ref> Cylindrical, phallus-shaped objects found associated with these fire altars have been hypothesized as proto-Shiva lingas.<ref>Cultural contours of India: Dr. Satya Prakash felicitation volume. By Satya Prakash, Vijai Shankar Åšrivastava. p34</ref>

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Die_Weltwoche&diff=next&oldid=551123673
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Die_Weltwoche&diff=next&oldid=551124589
tones down sections on racism (compare this with his edits in indian articles)

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Decline_of_Buddhism_in_India&diff=prev&oldid=533329501
deletion:
A continuing decline occurred after the fall of the [[Pala Empire|Pala]] dynasty in the 12th century CE, continuing with the later destruction of monasteries by Muslim invaders.<ref name="Merriam155" />
deletes " continuing with the later destruction of monasteries by Muslim invaders"


http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Communalism_%28South_Asia%29&diff=prev&oldid=116761158 adds:
**movements in the [ [ Indian diaspora ] ]:
***[ [ Hindu Human Rights ] ]
***[ [ Hindu American Foundation ] ]
***[ [ Vedic Foundation ] ]

Movements opposing communalism:
*[ [ Friends of South Asia ] ]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Communalism_%28South_Asia%29&diff=prev&oldid=116996341 (but don't remove Hindu groups at the same time. All Hnidutva outfits are obviously "communal" by definition.)
adds:
**[ [ Arya Samaj ] ]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration/Freedom_skies/Workshop&diff=prev&oldid=117330938 will somebody finally use checkuser against the amazing Hindutva sock circus?? ...')

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Freedom_skies/Workshop&diff=prev&oldid=117539960 your physical location is [ [ American-Born Confused Desi|not so relevant ] ]. I have yet to catch you doing an edit unrelated to India, and I've yet to catch you taking anything but a nationalist stance: your editing profile is that of a classic single-topic lobbyist. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 16:02, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2007_March_21&diff=prev&oldid=117555647 The two votes above can be safely disregarded as by adherents of known followers of precisely the fringy literature the article will discuss. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 17:26, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dbachmann&diff=prev&oldid=118266051 the Grand Unified Hindutva Sock and Troll Circus?

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dbachmann&diff=prev&oldid=118459716 (conspiracy theory)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Hindutva_propaganda&diff=prev&oldid=119709797 the rise of "Hindutva pseudoarchaeology" since the 1990s, so that there can be no doubt that this article is valid.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hinduism&diff=72571240&oldid=72416619 o ffs, what is it with this Hindu gerontophilia? ("O ffs", according to Internet slang means "Oh, for fuck's sake". )

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dbachmann&diff=next&oldid=40711362

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dbachmann/Wikipedia_and_nationalism Indo-Pak/Indian nationalism, mostly Hindutva (Indigenous Aryans, Aryan Invasion Theory), but also some Dalitstan and other "communalism", and Pakistani patriotism.
Indian sandbox
the art of sockpuppeteering appears to be particularly popular among Indian patriots.
Comment:On what basis is it "mostly" Hindutva? Why a special section "Indian sandbox"? One of Wikipedia's special user pages, where an user tries to justify his obsession or prejudices with one topic by claiming that they're neutral, or treat all equally. But in fact other nationalisms, like Islamsim/Islamofascism or Christian fundamentalism (there seems to be some Christian fundamentalism in India and other articles) are of much less concern.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Daniel.Bryant&diff=prev&oldid=121427568 I am sorry to say this, but you have betrayed the trust placed in you, and I will be forced to compose an admin conduct RfC, and your case will also figure as a prominent example of WP beginning to cave in under the sustained propaganda attack in the Hindutva arbitration case that is certain to come up sooner or later.



*http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Voice_of_India&diff=118324625&oldid=118324373 One of its major problems is concerted spamming, propaganda and/or pov-pushing efforts, and the case of the topic at hand is ''extremely'' bad, so that it is high time we sorted out the ideological lobbyists masquerading as scholars from actual academia. See also [ [ User:Dbachmann/Wikipedia and nationalism ] ]. It's a veritable disease, and I'll only ever be able to scratch the surface. I would never even have touched this topic with a five foot pole if the propagandists hadn't attacked Wikipedia first. [ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(&#xF0;&#x92;&#x81;&#xB3;) ] ]</small> 19:03, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indian_astronomy&diff=118001796&oldid=117699312 deletes referenced section
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indian_astronomy&diff=118003451&oldid=118002684 deletes Subhash Kak reference
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indian_astronomy&diff=118003788&oldid=118003451 Such methods are generally rejected by mainstream scholarship, but since the 1980s have come to play a significant role in ideologically motivated literature in connection with [ [ Hindutva propaganda ] ].
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indian_astronomy&diff=118006071&oldid=118004283 Deletes: The [ [ Atharvaveda ] ], the [ [ Taittiriya Brahmana ] ], the [ [ Shatapatha Brahmana ] ], the [ [ Maitrayaniya Upanishad ] ], the Baudhayana Srauta Sutra<ref>Bryant 2001:257</ref> and the [ [ Vishnu Purana ] ] show such a constellation in the Krittika<ref> (Frawley 1991)</ref>. Jean Filliozat has argued that similar conclusions can be derived from Buddhist texts, that incorporated material from earlier Hindu texts.<ref>Bryant 2001:260</ref> Additionally, the legend of the cutting off of [ [ Prajapati ] ]'s head by [ [ Rudra ] ] could possibly indicate a date when [ [ Mrgasirsha ] ] marked the beginning of the year.<ref>(and when the sun rose in [ [ Orion (constellation)|Orion ] ] at the [ [ Vernal Equinox ] ]. Kak 1994:80) Subhash Kak. Birth and Early Development of Indian Astronomy. In Astronomy across cultures: The History of Non-Western Astronomy, Helaine Selin (ed), Kluwer, 2000</ref> Possibly, the
beginning of the year was later marked by [ [ Rohini ] ], Prajapati's daughter.<ref>Subhash Kak. Birth and Early Development of Indian Astronomy. In Astronomy across cultures: The History of Non-Western Astronomy, Helaine Selin (ed), Kluwer, 2000. Kak 1994:80. Santillana and Dechend (1969).</ref>
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Indian_astronomy&diff=158676465&oldid=158619049 :the only reason I haven't done it yet is because I couldn't think of a "npov" title yet. [ [ Vedic crank parade ] ] probably won't fly. [ [ Vedic archaeoastronomy ] ] may be to discrediting to the term "archaeoastronomy", which I understand can also cover ''actual'' historical astronomy. ideas? --[ [ User:Dbachmann|dab ] ] <small>[ [ User_talk:Dbachmann|(ð’ ³) ] ]</small> 07:48, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=NCERT_controversy&diff=117970868&oldid=106004287
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=NCERT_controversy&diff=119694579&oldid=119694402 ([ [ Romila Thapar ] ]'s ''Medieval India'' was criticised for being too sympathetic to Muslim viewpoints, and for showing too little enthusiasm for [ [ Hindu revivalism ] ]. ) Comment:It was in fact criticized for inaccuracies or revisionism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vedas&diff=299879782&oldid=299879296 (the issue is of course the historical rewriting of Indian Marxist historians like Romila Thapar, which blackens Hinduism while glorifying Islam. Also a lot of other bias on that talkpage.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kumari_Kandam&diff=120256289&oldid=117389629 "In Dravidian national mysticism"

Protection while in page dispute: Indigenous Aryan Theory, N.S. Rajaram, Haplogroup R1a1 (Y-DNA), Hindutva propaganda, Nicholas Kazanas (unprotection), Subhash Kak

*I saw on your user page a section as noted above, and also read the relevant "discussion". I think virtual communities like wikipedia exposes many persons' real intent and mentality. They may retract later on fearing the backlash of the community, but they are what they are! Please do not worry - [ [ Abraham Lincoln ] ] had concluded: ''you can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time''. Either the wiki-community has to get rid of proponents of racialism or the self-respecting wikipedians have to say good bye to wikipedia. The choice is ours, and there is always light after the tunnel. Please do not feel perturbed, and please continue to remain active. Regards.

* I denounce the extreme POVs explicitly and implicitly conveyed through the above remarks, and feel highly offended and annoyed at the same.
*My apologies - I'm simply not willing to compromise my neutrality. If Sbhushan wishes for another editor to defend or argue on his behalf, a request may be filed with the AMA through the links above. Otherwise, I am closing this mediation as unsuccessful on the grounds parties do not wish for mediator, unless there are any objections. I was referring to Dab's comment above:&#xE2;&#x80;&#x9C; ..I would propose that you do not attempt to be "neutral", but try to understand whatever it is Sbhushan wants, and argue his case for him..-- Dab

*I submit this article for consideration for deletion given that this flies in the face of WP:UNDUE,WP:ATT,WP:NPOV. The highly prerogative title of the page makes it obvious that page is primarily meant to be an attack page. Hindutva is described by its proponents to be a Hindu revivalist movement, it is has been often derided by its opponents to be an extreme right wing ideology. Whatever may be one's opinion about Hindutva, i believe terms like Hindutva propaganda are personal opinions and the title hardly conforms to WP:NPOV. Much of the article consists of cherry picked quotes from two Papers by Michael Witzel and Nanda & Sokal. Witzel is a Sanskrit scholar, which hardly makes him an authoritarian voice to pass judgements on Indian political ideologies. Mr.Witzel is also considered to be controversial for his supposed anti-Indian/anti-Hindu bias [ 1 ]. It is basically like writing an article on Republican ideology sourced from Noam Chomsky artciles. Undue weightage is given to Witzel and Nanda's opinions on Hindutva.Whats more, on the lines of Hindutva propaganda we donot have Redneck propaganda,Islamist propaganda,Christian propaganda,Marxist propaganda. Also the article ends up making wild allegations like: during the 1930s, the Hindutva movement was influenced by Nazi mysticism, and pseudoscientific theories of racial supremacism. Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) leader M. S. Golwalkar in 1939 he wrote that "Germany has shocked the world by purging the country of the semitic race of the Jews, a good lesson for us in Hindusthan to learn and profit by"This serious allegation against a major Indian ideology is based on untracable reference (# ^ Ruthven (2007:10ff.) ) by an obscure Scholar whose interest/expertise is unclear.Also the main contributor to this artilce User:Dbachmann had added a statement (since revised):..Its should be noted that Nathuram Godse (Gandhi's assasin) was NOT a member of RSS at the time and RSS was absolved by the Supreme Court of India of any hand in Gandhi's assasination.
Addition of content like this by Users like User:Dbachmann is shocking. RSS in past has not hesitated to sue anybody accusing it of hand in Gandhi assasination. Such irresponsible behaviour puts Wikipedia in a position where it can be sued.It should also be noted that admin User:Dbachmann who has created this article, has also sprotected it. Isnt this unfair use of admin powers uncalled for, especially when there has been no obivous trolling on the article... Given the condescending tone of this article towards its subject, this article falls squarely in the 'attack page' category.

*I resent this allegation of Dbachmann and deny completely that I am an avatar of Hkelkar or have been sent by a mailing list. I am not anyone's sock-puppet. I do not even know who Hkelkar is Dbachmann is constantly vandalizing my edits, and rather indulging as a propagandist of well known prejudiced and propagandist sources such as Michael Witzel in littering Wikipedia with factually incorrect information.
*Endorse - well-thought-out closure from a mess of an AfD that deleted a serious of quotes and fundamentally unrelated references strung together to compile a POV screed. OR synthesis, basically.
*I have, but this page is supposed to be about a publishing company, there are very few facts on this page, just selected quotes, point scoring and invective, the NPOV is one of the cornerstones of the encyclopedia, without it wikipedia has no value.
*I have no frame of reference for the vast majority of this debate. I have no opinion except that I feel admins should be held to a higher standard than those who simply contribute. In reading the talk pages I find Dbachmann condescending, bordering on rude. I don't see neutrality by a long shot. Anyone who feels so passionately about a subject should not be doing adminstrative functions on articles on that topic.
"His ability to understand that his sources present a particular POV, rather than the absolute truth has been a problem here and elsewhere. His ability to cite sources and his insight into issues and languages is quite valuable however. The answer is for him to be more aware of NPOV, particularly in the sense of giving attention and respect to a wide variety of different positions on an issue. One source alone will not do. Also, he must be more respectful of those who are believers'. It is clear he is not hindu, and that is because of his indifference and irreverence. Those are traits which would be best replaced with respect and modest."
*However, I am not willing to "drop it" in the sense that I still find your past and present comments highly objectionable, and I still have an issue with them.

*In my opinion, you have slapped all Indians in the face, and indeed more than that. You complain that no one has explained to you explicitly what is offensive in your comments. Perhaps you have not made inquiries to those you have offended? However, you cannot complain that no-one stated that they were offended [ 1 ], [ 2 ], or that they thought your comments were an expression of contempt for Indian users [ 3 ], [ 4 ], [ 5 ], [ 6 ]. For the benefit of all, however, I will attempt to explain why your comments are offensive. Substitute another place for India in your comments.
*Your response also seems to argue that the indefensible behavior of some editors with whom you were in conflict somehow justifies your own indefensible behavior.

*Dbachmann's use of ethnic, national and religious attributes of editors when making negative criticisms. It is unnecessary to mention the nationality, culture or religion of editors when discussing edits. To gratuitously mention such attributes of editors in the course of criticizing edits has all the appearances of being an insult to those of the mentioned nationality, culture or religion -- it has the appearance of an insinuation that faults an editor may have are somehow related to that editor's nationality, culture or religion. Whether an insult was intended or not, civility dictates avoiding mentioning such attributes.

*When administrators and major editors give the impression that it is OK to refer to the ethnicity of of editors when making negative comments, the result is that ordinary editors feel entitled to do the same.

*I also suggested that the best course when one offends is usually to acknowledge that one has been offensive (even if unintentionally), to apologize, and to avoid taking on airs that it is those who are offended that are in the wrong. Dbachmann has chosen not to follow that course of action.
*The unresolved issues that I expressed to dab here remain unresolved. Rather than becoming ameliorated over time, these issues have become, in my opinion, more aggrevated. That is his asset to Wikipedia. However, he also has qualities, which in my opinion are very detrimental to his working cooperatively with other editors, and these qualities have been becoming more pronounced. The behavior that led to the older conflict is habitual and ongoing. If the most recent unresolved issue with dab that I have recorded is old, this is due to my lack of interest in pursing the matter. At each step, dab has stated that he is unwilling to discuss further, and my instincts told me that raising new grievances would not help the resolution of the conflict.
*The above is added as a public service. As Dmcdevit said, it's a very bad idea to block someone you are in a dispute with. It may have been POV pushing and probably was 3RR (there are at least four partial reverts in that mess somewhere), but it was not patent nonsense, vandalism, or simple disruption. --[ [ User:BigDT|BigDT ] ] 21:19, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
*So Hindutva is some monolithic conspiracy huh? You are merely mirroring Guru Witzelji's tedency to deflect any crticism with shrill and paranoid accusations of Hindtvaadis. I daresay BJP doesnt give a for Witzel or Kak or any two bit scholar who tries to posture himself as pro-Hindu/anti-Hindutvadi. Stop picturing yourself as some sort of Wiki-saviour defending Wikipedia from those stupid nationalist zealot wogs. Except for certain User:Hkelkar i see no Hindutva trolling here. The India-Pakistan ArbComm VOTED to ban Pakistani nationalists but now you are construing it as some sort of Indian 'patriot' case. As for Rajput, it didnt even have anything to do with Hinduism or Hindtva.
*I have stated that I find dab's reference to national, religious and ethnic attributes of editors objectionable. You ask if I can imagine how hurtful it may be to be accused of one error, not once, but repeatedly. Of course I can. Although those defending dab's behavior have stated that his comment was an "error", as far as I am aware, he has never stated that his comment was an "error". Further, if dab had wished to avoid having his comment brought up repeatedly, the easiest course of action he could have taken, which would have taken all of maybe two lines, would have been to apologize for any unintended offense that he may have caused. I am sure that would have greatly reduced the occurances where his comments were brought up to him. I warned him long ago that he had harmed his relationship with Indians, and that an apology would be a wise course. However, instead of heading this advice, he attacked the messenger, as you seem to be inclined to do.
*I only want to point out the following.Stop gratuitous use of 'Hindutva' especially when you are not even able to define it in black and white.But keep your commentary and linguistic flourish out. It only shows that you have an emotional investment in all this. Being an admin and an editor for as long as you've been, you should know better than to write articles with a personally invested tone.
*All I can say is that Dbachmann's comments on your talk page weren't particularly civil or assuming good faith. Deleted. Ask him to move ArbCom if he presses. There have been gross civility problems with him in the past, where he resorted to racist comments. You can't invoke a supposed martyr who isn't even gone to defend your actions. Also, saying "I know you acted in good faith" does not mean you truly believe that, and you had just finished complaining that he's stupid and deleted it because of religious crusades.
*The article is nothing but culmination of quotes from 3 authors, Wizel, Nanda, Sokal, with POV quotes and weasel words filled between. The whole article looks as if created by first time user.

*I am not aware that dab has apologized for unintended offense, or stated that his comments merit such an apology. Perhaps I have overlooked something, or perhaps we have different views regarding what constitutes an apology. What I have been aware of are comments where he expressed that he has nothing to apologize for, that he owes no-one an apology and a intends to give no apologies. If I am mistaken, please point me to the sentence or sentences where he apologizes.I also disagree that the "famous" comment is offensive only if misunderstood. I do not believe I suffer from a lack of English comprehension, and so I will try to explain to you at least part of why I think the "famous" comment was inappropriate and offensive. repeating what I once wrote elsewhere... However, his difficulty in discussing matters in a non-accusatory way, his difficulty in listening to others and treating them with respect, these have a negative effect on the community, and make conflict resolution more difficult.
*Sundar is saying he got "satisfied" with his "clarification". I will just point out one such clarification. " no, it appears that Bharatveer has confused "shithole" with "arsehole" (understandable, seeing the fecal association). I do not think that this has anything to do with Indian village culture
*The article is laden with lengthy quotes backing up short statements, which seems to be bordering on WP:SYN and WP:OR...What the hell does that even mean? I am an educated person but I cannot parse the meaning of this article. There is a dearth of succinct declarative statements. There is also a tone to it that borders on a diatribe rather than an encyclopedic gathering of data. A reader with no preknowledge, like me, is left bewildered, and I cannot see how anyone with knowledge of the issue could be other than pissed off or proud.
*Bogus? I think you are the most interesting arbocase in the Wikipedia history. I can see another incident you caused just a few moments ago, by restoring erroneous and wrongly sourced allegations to [ [ Koenraad Elst ] ]. Are you still serious or is it ''you'' that is working towards a ''grand finale''? How come you thought I'll ever leave Wikipedia alone with you? Maybe it would be interesting to map your [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Angr friends ] and some all too obvious administrator
*This continued display of unwarranted personal attacks show you don't mind Wikipedia at all, not for the policies, not for the community and not for arbcom. You reject the most basic foundation of Wikipedia, that it should be a shared project between multiple editors - that might all have a different perspective. You don't even notice your nutshell assessment of Wikipedia "being the collaboration of dissenting editors" just reflects your troubled mind, utterly unable to make the distinction between honest editors and fascists. Why you should care anyway, the only one you ever intended to take serious is yourself. Arbcom neatly defined your POV pushing, your OR and your many other abuses. Instead of listening, keeping a low profile for a while and take heart you defy the concept of reasonable and polite persons. You act like an outsiders by acquiring the foul language first, and subsequently use it indiscriminated against all your adversaries - even when they take pains in cleaning your blunt, amateur
generalizations and other mess. You defile people by calling them names they don't deserve, engage in countless editwars, react aggressively when running out of arguments, or just walk away from the table for coming back later and make your predefined reverts anyway, and then even ''dare'' to call other people ''trolls''! Go on, make clear to everybody there is no cure for your trolling behaviour. Not at Wikipedia, anyway. Whatever your possible ambitions to become the King of Trolls himself, all future left for you might be the carreer of an anon troll.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dbachmann&diff=prev&oldid=192927937

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Dbachmann/Evidence (again also details his wiki-battles with Armenians, African Americans,..)
[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Hkelkar_2/Evidence#DBachmann_violates_WP:BLP ]
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Rokus01&diff=prev&oldid=180972629
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Rokus01&diff=181007703&oldid=181007348
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dbachmann&oldid=180400901#Thanks
<ref>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Hkelkar_2/Evidence#More_Dbachmann__incivility.2C_threats.2C_page-owning
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Hkelkar_2/Evidence#Disruptive_behaviour_-_DBachmann_is_Uncivil
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Hkelkar_2/Evidence#More_Dbachmann__incivility.2C_threats.2C_page-owning,
[ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=141556185#User:Dbachmann Comment by Sir Nicholas ]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Hkelkar_2/Evidence#Disruptive_behaviour_-_DBachmann_is_Uncivil
[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Hkelkar_2/Evidence#Anti-Hindu_remarks_by_Dbachmann ]
<ref>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Hkelkar_2/Evidence#Disruptive_behaviour_-_DBachmann_is_Uncivil</ref>, [ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=141556185#User:Dbachmann
[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment/Dbachmann_%282%29 ]</ref>
[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment/Dbachmann_%282%29
[ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=141556185#User:Dbachmann Comment by Sir Nicholas ]
[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Hkelkar_2/Evidence#Disruptive_behaviour_-_DBachmann_is_Uncivil Blocks an editor in an editing dispute ]
[ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=111626427 ]
[ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RR&diff=next&oldid=112073211 ]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Hkelkar_2/Evidence#Nicholas_Kazanas:_Violations_of_WP:OWN.2C_WP:CIVIL.2C_and_abuse_of_admin_authority
:These are not simply trolls in the narrow sense, and it is pointless to waste time with them, because even if you get them to listen to sense, there are millions of more clueless people where they came from, and especially in India, every sh*thole is getting internet access. I feel for these people, because they are in an actual ethnic conflict, and must feel actual hate, but I don't feel responsible for babysitting them, Wikipedia is not for them.<ref>http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Zora&diff=32344214&oldid=32343076</ref>
[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Hkelkar_2/Evidence#Anti-Hindu_remarks_by_Dbachmann ]
*[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Rajput ]
*[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Rajput/Evidence ]
*[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Dbachmann ]
*[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Dbachmann_%282%29 ]
*[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Dbachmann_4 ]
*[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Hkelkar_2/Evidence ]
*[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Hkelkar ]
*[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Hindutva_propaganda ]
*[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Bias_in_South_Asian_Studies ]
*[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Hindutva_pseudoscience ][
*[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Hindutva_pseudoscience_%282nd_nomination%29 ]
*[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2007_April_9 ]
*[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:BostonMA/DBachmann ]
*[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Hinduism/Archive_1 ]
*[ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dbachmann&diff=76163983&oldid=76088298#Vandalism ]
*[ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=141556185#User:Dbachmann ] (Accusations of WP:OWN, Revert-warring, 3RR,
*[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive217#Admin_Dbachmann_filled_article_by_his_derrogatory_and_libelous_POVs ]
*[ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=111646344 ]
*[ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=111666071 ]
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&oldid=125754054#Blocks_for_meatpuppetry_and_sockpuppetry
History of Kashmir,Kahsmir, and its Muslim invasions and rules (Sikander)
Category:Riots in Pakistan

Article on anti-Mojahir riots in Pakistan

Article on anti-Ahmadiya riots in Pakistan
Post Bugti Riots.
Direct Action Day
Bombay Riots
Balochistan Liberation Army

Nawab Akbar Bugti (specific to riots after his death)

Mukhtaran Mai
Poverty in Pakistan
History of Kashmir
List of banned films, books
Anti-hinduism
Pakistani Nationalism (add more on ethnic Balochi and Pushtun Nationalism, as well as stuff about the Mojahirs and Ahmadiyyas).
Persecution of Hindus
History of Bangladesh:deletions of bombings, terrorism, in bangl liberation war,...
Mukhtaran Mai
Islam in India (deletions of (moderate) views of hindu leaders like Vivekananda)

(Also as another of many examples, some members of the Fringe noticeboard will delete all kind of articles just because they pertain to their definiton of "fringe" and non-worthy, even if they report neutraly on a non-mainstream subject, for example articles on non-mainstream, non-Christian religions. Due to this, that board is pretty much everything that's wrong about wikipedia, one wikipedian said. Furthermore, the introduction of the prodding process, where articles can just be tagged for deletion instead of going through an discussion process, has facilitated the censorship of the less visited parts of wikipedia.)

***CRITICISMS OF WIKIPEDIA AND REFERENCES FROM OTHER WIKIPEDIANS AND WIKIPEDIA DISC./ARB. PAGES (TYPICAL BUT STILL INTERESTING WIKIPEDIA STUFF)***
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2006/sep/28/wikipedia.web20
http://www.wikipedia-watch.org/
http://www.sai-fi.net/wikipedia/
http://www.opendemocracy.net/media-edemocracy/wikipedia_bias_3621.jsp
http://tools.wikimedia.de/~daniel/WikiSense
http://wikiscanner.virgil.gr/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kate%27s_Tool
http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/Tool1/wannabe_kate
http://www.honestreporting.com/articles/45884734/critiques/new/Exposed_-_Anti-Israeli_Subversion_on_Wikipedia.asp
http://web.archive.org/web/20080105120715/http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/Wikipedia.html
http://www.integraltransformation.blogspot.com/2008/12/sri-aurobindo-and-ken-wilber-on.html
http://www.integralworld.net/kazlev15.html
http://wikipediareview.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Proposed_deletion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:PRODSUM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiScanner
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Countering_systemic_bias
http://sathyasaibaba.wordpress.com/2008/05/09/sathya-sai-baba-wikipedia-bias/
http://www.saisathyasai.com/wikipedia/
http://www.medhajournal.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=589&Itemid=282
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Notability_%28people%29/Archive_4
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wikipedians_against_censorship
http://koenraadelst.blogspot.de/2013/05/the-wikipedia-lemma-on-koenraad-elst.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Wikipedia
http://womenshistory.about.com/od/practice/a/wikipedia_women.htm
http://www.populartechnology.net/2008/11/anti-wikipedia-resource.html
http://deletionpedia.dbatley.com

[YouC]

You can move on now. It was years ago. Nothing is as bad, after next second. You can recheck all these pages, most of the abusive material was deleted already.