Close minded has meaning different from closed minded?

Dingbat

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Jul 9, 2015, 8:26:10 AM7/9/15

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Taken from ...
http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/28956/is-it-close-minded-or-closed-minded

It seems the phrase close-minded was once a common description for someone who "kept their own counsel"--usually used as a derogative, but sometimes as a compliment.
http://i.stack.imgur.com/ERf8N.png

However, I did find this earlier use of close-minded specifically to mean the opposite of open-minded from an 1898 issue of The Outlook:
http://i.stack.imgur.com/BzcAv.png

I think all occurences before the 60's will relate to close as in guarded, not outgoing, reticent, rather than not open to new ideas. - FumbleFingers Jun 7 '11 at 18:01

Don Phillipson

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Jul 9, 2015, 10:21:42 AM7/9/15

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"Dingbat" <ranjit_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:7a194d3c-161d-4be8...@googlegroups.com...

> Taken from ...
> http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/28956/is-it-close-minded-or-closed-minded
>
> It seems the phrase close-minded was once a common description for someone
> who "kept their own counsel"--usually used as a derogative, but sometimes
> as a compliment.

This web page is seriously misleading so far as it omits the
function of context in determining meanings of English words. This
was known centuries ago, i.e. is the reason lexicographers
since Dr. Johnson provide examples of actual usage (not
editor's inventions) to demonstrate word meanings.
--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

Horace LaBadie

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Jul 9, 2015, 10:48:15 AM7/9/15

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In article <7a194d3c-161d-4be8...@googlegroups.com>,
Dingbat <ranjit_...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Taken from ...
> http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/28956/is-it-close-minded-or-closed-

> minded
>
> It seems the phrase close-minded was once a common description for someone
> who "kept their own counsel"--usually used as a derogative, but sometimes as
> a compliment.
> http://i.stack.imgur.com/ERf8N.png
>
> However, I did find this earlier use of close-minded specifically to mean the
> opposite of open-minded from an 1898 issue of The Outlook:
> http://i.stack.imgur.com/BzcAv.png
>
> I think all occurences before the 60's will relate to close as in guarded,
> not outgoing, reticent, rather than not open to new ideas. - FumbleFingers
> Jun 7 '11 at 18:01

There is a difference between keeping something close to one and closed.

A close-minded person keeps his thoughts to himself, close in his mind,
as close to one's heart.

A closed-minded person is not open to persuasion.

snide...@gmail.com

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Jul 9, 2015, 2:39:16 PM7/9/15

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I thought that was what dignbat was reporting he had found out.

Or are you confirming that what he found is how your ideolect works, too?

/dps

Horace LaBadie

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Jul 9, 2015, 3:40:13 PM7/9/15

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In article <b5ff363c-4f72-45d1...@googlegroups.com>,

Dingbat appears to be expressing the idea that the difference is
surprising.

Robert Bannister

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Jul 9, 2015, 8:05:27 PM7/9/15

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Is it "Sense & Sensibility" where one of the characters is slated for
being too reserved?

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Robert Bannister
Perth, Western Australia

Peter Moylan

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Jul 10, 2015, 12:23:48 AM7/10/15

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Not at all. Hx was expressing surprise that some people use close-minded
to mean closed-minded.

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Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia

Dingbat

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Jul 10, 2015, 7:16:47 AM7/10/15

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I never knew the "reticent" meaning. I was surprised to discover it. I had thought close-minded and closed-minded were merely alternate spellings; it hadn't occurred to me that they could potentially have alternate meanings too. Potentially, usage could evolve such that close-minded means just "reticent" and closed-minded means just "resistant to change:.

snide...@gmail.com

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Jul 10, 2015, 8:28:36 PM7/10/15

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I hesitate to say anything, but that will never work!

/dps

Charles Bishop

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Jul 18, 2015, 1:12:41 PM7/18/15

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In article <d08gi3...@mid.individual.net>,

"Slated" stands out for me. I first thought that it had to do with roof
tiles, but then reason kicked in and I wondered if it had to do with
writing names down on a slate.

Am I close?

--
charles

Peter Duncanson [BrE]

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Jul 18, 2015, 2:52:27 PM7/18/15

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It seems that "slate" meaning "criticise" might come from the idea of
throwing a slate at someone.

slate, v.2
Etymology: apparently < slate n.1 Sense 2 appears to have
originated in Ireland.
slang and colloq.

2.
a. To beat or thrash severely.
b. Mil. To punish (an enemy) severely.

3.
a. To assail with reproof or abuse; to rate or reprimand; to scold
severely.
b. To criticize (a book or author) severely; to castigate, cut up.

slate, n.1
1.
a. A thin, usually rectangular, piece of certain varieties of stone
which split readily into laminæ ..., used especially for the
purpose of covering the roofs of buildings.

However:

slate, n.3
Etymology: < slate v.3

A severe criticism; a slating.

1887 A. Lang Bks. & Bookmen 19 ‘Slate’ is a professional term
for a severe criticism.

slate, v.3
Etymology: < Old Norse *sleita, corresponding to Old English sl?tan
: see sleat v.1
north. and Sc.

1. trans. To incite or set on (a dog). Also const. on, at, against
(a person, etc.).

2. To bait, assail, or drive, with dogs. Also fig.

--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)

Robert Bannister

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Jul 18, 2015, 8:20:05 PM7/18/15

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Meaning 8 below:

verb (used with object), slated, slating.
5.
to cover with or as with slate.
6.
to write or set down for nomination or appointment:
the district leader slated for city judge.
7.
to plan or designate (something) for a particular place and time; schedule:
The première was slated for January.
8.
to censure or criticize harshly or violently; scold.
9.
to punish severely.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/slate?s=t