OBSSEers
KitCat
>
> Excuse me, sisters, and brethren, I pray, but did the Punk not make >you feel like committing oh-so-unholy HOMICIDE with his ditching ways >this evening?
While not a humble sister, I did spend the whole damn show screaming at
Mulder and calling him an idiot. And thus folks, a Scullyist is born.
Cat
Ann Avery Hunter
>
> Excuse me, sisters, and brethren, I pray, but did the Punk not make you feel
> like committing oh-so-unholy HOMICIDE with his ditching ways this evening?
That's our boy. Men!! What can you say?
Ann
Sister in OBSSE
Christopher F Leavey
>
><BR>Anna K.
They must have had one HOT relationship for him to ditch Scully and run to
the side of the Fowl one!! Kind of makes me feel sick when I think about it!
MULDER.... get your mind out of your pants and shot that wench!! I am not a
shipper but for god sake, look at her!!! Gross! Scully is a zillion times
better!
-Eliz
lynx mulderite
out of his ass and drop Fowley like a hot potato. BUT - Mulder is sooo
frustrated with Scully - he's seen the aliens. And even though she
doesn't doubt him or that they exist, she won't do anything without
proof, built up incrementally. When Diana drives up and tells him about
the alien - he goes with her to find it. To get slam bang all at once
proof. That's what he sees in Diana at that moment.
--
lynx
mulderite HPotMMs
"I don't wanna wrestle"
Goo Bee Goo Bee Do
KitCat
> But....she was being so DAMN....**Scully**. Blah, blah, blah,
> you're an idiot, Mulder, PROVE iot, Mulder, SCIENCE, Mulder.
>
> "Science" THIS, Scully....
>
But he DEFENDED Diana...she turned on him and turned him in and he still
defended her to Scully. Considering all the times he has asked Scully
to trust him, ya would think he would trust her.
Cat
Christopher F Leavey
>Hold it, hold it. I'm not disputing that Mulder had better take his head
>out of his ass and drop Fowley like a hot potato. When Diana drives up and
tells him about the alien - he goes with her to find it. To get slam bang
all at once proof. That's what he sees in Diana at that moment.
That better be the only BANG he is thinking about!! Or I will pull his head
out of his ass and give it to Krycek (who undoubtedly would know what to do
with it). I know Scully is frustrating good 'ol Foxy-boy but isn't that her
job! No conflict, no show! I just wish it was any other chick besides
Fowl-chick! At least Bambi was cute!
-Eliz
squirt
Sculxfs wrote:
> Excuse me, sisters, and brethren, I pray, but did the Punk not make you feel
> like committing oh-so-unholy HOMICIDE with his ditching ways this evening?
He ditched her... But Scully really needed to take care of Gibson...
That's why Scully & Mulder could never get married and have a baby... Mulder
would be running off every other day to chase Aliens... It's just not who
"Scully is" a stay at home mom (-;
I could tell she wanted to go with him... But she had no choice but to stay with
Gibson..
squirt
>
>
> Sculxfs, who has been less afraid to post, as of late.
>
> "Respect Nature, because it has no respect for you"
> - Quagmire
Jocelyn D. Shadforth
Christopher F Leavey wrote in message
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>That better be the only BANG he is thinking about!! Or I will pull his head
>out of his ass and give it to Krycek (who undoubtedly would know what to do
>with it.
Um, I know I shouldn't, but... do you mean his head or his ass?
devi...@mindspring.com
>Excuse me, sisters, and brethren, I pray, but did the Punk not make you
feel
like committing oh-so-unholy HOMICIDE with his ditching ways this evening?
He is such a little bitch sometimes. I screamed PUNK at the top of my lungs
so many times that my new cat, Shippy, started yowling at me. I think she
was pissed too and this was her first episode. Sometimes he needs a trout
slap in the ass.
Angel the celestial netsurfer
OBSSE
Joan Rivers Ski Trip Coalition
Barbara Ruef
>
> On Sun, 08 Nov 1998 23:03:39 +0000, lynx mulderite <lyn...@erols.com>
> wrote:
> >And even though she doesn't doubt him or that they exist,
>
> anything? Mulder believes in aliens, Scully believes in *Mulder.*
This is *so* true. Ever since "Erlenmeyer Flask" when Scully
apologized for not believing/trusting Mulder's instincts, she
has been a believer in "Mulder". She wants to find the proof
for her own peace of mind and, more importantly, to prove
to their superiors to get them out of hot water or get their
jobs back (depending on the episode) but she has always held
her belief in Mulder. In my mind, he is the one who runs hot
and cold.
Sculxfs
like committing oh-so-unholy HOMICIDE with his ditching ways this evening?
Sculxfs, who has been less afraid to post, as of late.
SctJupiter
>like committing oh-so-unholy HOMICIDE with his ditching ways this
YEAH!! For someone who was "trusting no one" he's walking around "believing
the lie"
(I'm trying to sqeeze as many taglines as possible into a sentence^_^)
And why the hell did he trust Diana sooo much anyways??
<BR>Anna K.
<BR>"I'm already way past the border of common sense here"
<BR><a href="http://members.aol.com/SctJupiter/X-Files/XF.htm">Too Much X-Files
when...</a>
<BR>finally joined OBSSE!
Coleen Sullivan-Baier
>
>While not a humble sister, I did spend the whole damn show screaming
>at Mulder and calling him an idiot. And thus folks, a Scullyist is
>born.
But....she was being so DAMN....**Scully**. Blah, blah, blah,
you're an idiot, Mulder, PROVE iot, Mulder, SCIENCE, Mulder.
"Science" THIS, Scully....
XXXXXXXXXXXgizzieXXXXXXXXXX
Casey76683
>>
>> But....she was being so DAMN....**Scully**. Blah, blah, blah,
>> you're an idiot, Mulder, PROVE iot, Mulder, SCIENCE, Mulder.
>>
>> "Science" THIS, Scully....
>>
>
>defended her to Scully. Considering all the times he has asked Scully
>to trust him, ya would think he would trust her.
>
>Cat
>
save him, etc., and she had to remind him of that tonight as he seemed to
change his opinion. Then, when he acted at the end, like he didn't want to
have to choose between Scully and Fowley... what happened to "you're the only
one I trust", "you're my one in five million (or was it billion?)", etc.? I
can't believe Mulder trusts Diana. Well, when it comes out that she's a bad
guy (probably working for the consortium), I, for one, will be waiting for
Scully to tell Mulder "I told you so" although she won't do it. (I don't think
she's as immature as I would be!)
Casey
Circe
> Sometimes he needs a trout slap in the ass.
And so does Scully, frankly. Where the hell does she get off telling him that he
has to trust her judgment when she so rarely trusts his? Isn't trust supposed to
work both ways?
--
Circe
The Titanium Magnolia
SPCDD, DD/FM ListMom, Sorceress--MM
If those were my last words, I can do better.--Fox Mulder
Dave Fox
>Excuse me, sisters, and brethren, I pray, but did the Punk not make you feel
>like committing oh-so-unholy HOMICIDE with his ditching ways this evening?
I'm a brother, but I thought this was a justifiable ditch. Fowley was
giving him the opportunity to get into the power plant, which he
couldn't on his own. Scully was clearly better suited to taking care
of Gibson.
And he did leave Scully with a car.
-----
Dave Fox
"If those are my last words, I can do better."
Brandon Ray
squirt wrote:
> Sculxfs wrote:
>
> > Excuse me, sisters, and brethren, I pray, but did the Punk not make you feel
> > like committing oh-so-unholy HOMICIDE with his ditching ways this evening?
>
> He ditched her... But Scully really needed to take care of Gibson...
>
And this point is crucial. Remember: GIBSON IS THE KEY. Mulder firmly believes
this; Scully seems to at least accept the possibility.
Now Diana arrives and offers to take Mulder on a tour of the nuclear plant and see
the monster. He goes with her, and he leaves Gibson -- who is, in essence, the
holy grail -- in Scully's care. Think he would leave Gibson with Fowley? Not a
chance...
--
"It's not till you get back to nature that you realize EVERYTHING'S out to get
you."
--Special Agent Dana Scully, "Quagmire"
=================
Okay, I succumbed. I've established an online archive of my own X-Files fanfic:
Steve Pagano
>Sculxfs wrote:
>>
>> Excuse me, sisters, and brethren, I pray, but did the Punk not make you
feel
>> like committing oh-so-unholy HOMICIDE with his ditching ways this
evening?
>
All right, a few observations here. These are based on some aspects of
psychology and sociology, neither of which are terribly accurate on the
whole, so please take them with a grain of salt. Some or all of my
observations may be wrong, and they could all certainly stand to be
improved.
As we're all aware, there are a lot of things that men do that women can't
fathom, just as there are a lot of things women do that men can't fathom.
(Yes, this is a generalization, but like all generalizations in this post, I
make it with the idea that we'll all understand that there will certainly be
exceptions to the rule.) One of the things that almost all men do is 'the
ditch' -- the sudden leaving of someone/somewhere to take care of an
important task, without giving full explanation of what's going on.
Furthermore, almost all men will accept this behavior in other men, and so
don't get too bent out of shape by it. (Of course, we aren't used to having
women perform The Ditch, so we're annoyed by it when it does happen.)
A man's tendency to perform the ditching, and his likeliness to explain
himself either before or after the fact, are mitigated by a few other
circumstances when it is a woman whom he is ditching.
1) If he really trusts her, he feels less compunction to explain to her what
he's doing -- not only does he expect her to trust him to the same extent
(and thus not ask questions), but he can count on her to make sound
decisions in his absence. In M's case, S can do that at least as well as he
can himself. He doesn't have to worry about her, per se.
2) On the other hand, if he really dislikes her, there's a very powerful
masculine tendency to distance himself from her. I don't think this applies
here -- just something interesting to note.
3) It's my observation that most women, not understanding the male tendency
to Ditch, tend to ask a lot of questions when the man is about to ditch her.
This brings about feelings of discomfort which are difficult to describe --
and it's also exceedingly difficult for a man to break off his 'mission'
(we're exceedingly predicated upon solving problems and accomplishing tasks)
to give explanations that he assumes shouldn't be coming (like I said, most
males will accept another male's ditching without question or worry). Men
will often give vague answers to 'where are you going' to avoid said
questioning. (There's also the idea that we're puzzled by the questioning,
as a male generally just accepts another male's ditch without question.)
4) Further compounding the issue is the tendency of many women to become
more 'protective' of their men, as the couple becomes more closely bonded.
(It's been mentioned by several good sociologists that there's an odd irony
in the fact that many [*not* all!] women are attracted to men because of the
man's daring behavior / risk-taking / daring-do, but as soon as they couple,
the woman begins taking steps to *halt* this behavior in the man.) This
would make it all the more likely for M to be taken to task by S for his
real reasons for the Ditch.
5) Finally, men are pre-programmed (in general, not always) to want approval
from the women they care about. M would be very, very hurt by S's
disapproval, should she voice displeasure with his _real_ reasons for
performing the ditch -- and thus his oblique answers. (Recall how
crestfallen he was when she expressed her disapproval at hitting Roche in
Paper Hearts.)
I hope that gives a bit of insight into the matter. And I trust that the
readers will realize that I've given explanations, not justifications. Women
and men judge people by different criteria; it is not so much that one set
of values is better than the other, but that the sets are different.
Please feel free to comment or expand upon any or all of the above.
--Steve
DarkJewl
>it. To get slam bang all at onceproof. That's what he sees in Diana at that
>moment.
Okay, you've put logic to him ditcher her, which I still am pissed about. How
about the childish, spiteful things he said to her later? Those two know each
other so well, Mulder *knew* he was pushing Scully's buttons when he all but
said that Fowley was a better partner because she was as insane as he. He may
have been frustrated, he may have been mad, but that was just flat out mean,
and I do NOT like this new Mulder that hurts Scully to the quick so he can
chase some tail.
~DarkJewl~
~The greatest foe lies within the self~
Kim Stubbs-Law
Tara Charnow wrote:
> On 9 Nov 1998 03:24:05 GMT, scu...@aol.com (Sculxfs) wrote:
>
> >Excuse me, sisters, and brethren, I pray, but did the Punk not make you feel
> >like committing oh-so-unholy HOMICIDE with his ditching ways this evening
I hated the way Mulder was so defensive of Fowley! But good for Scully - she
didn't come across as a shrewish bitch forcing Mulder to choose...but her science
provided him with proof. ( Was it WMM who said that Mulder would need Scully's
science??)
I just have a horrible fear... that it will turn out that not only was Fowley
Mulder's chickadee... but she was the one he was married to......
eeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!
Kimba
Rufie710
> > -Eliz
> Hold it, hold it. I'm not disputing that Mulder had better take his head
> out of his ass and drop Fowley like a hot potato. BUT - Mulder is sooo
> frustrated with Scully - he's seen the aliens. And even though she
> doesn't doubt him or that they exist, she won't do anything without
> proof, built up incrementally. When Diana drives up and tells him about
> the alien - he goes with her to find it. To get slam bang all at once
> proof. That's what he sees in Diana at that moment.
gotta agree here...I am a sister of long standing in the RevMas Holy
order....but geez, Dana, get with the prgram here...I agree that in that
moment Mulder was justified.
Of course the Holy One did come around at the end.
--
rufie710
"I tried Reality once, I found it too confining"
SSH
>
> Tara Charnow wrote:
> > On Sun, 08 Nov 1998 23:03:39 +0000, lynx mulderite <lyn...@erols.com>
> > wrote:
> > >And even though she doesn't doubt him or that they exist,
> > Doesn't this say more about Scully's willingness to believe than
> > anything? Mulder believes in aliens, Scully believes in *Mulder.*
> This is *so* true. Ever since "Erlenmeyer Flask" when Scully
> apologized for not believing/trusting Mulder's instincts, she
> has been a believer in "Mulder". She wants to find the proof
> for her own peace of mind and, more importantly, to prove
> to their superiors to get them out of hot water or get their
> jobs back (depending on the episode) but she has always held
> her belief in Mulder. In my mind, he is the one who runs hot
> and cold.
> Barbara
> http://www.geocities.com/~bjruef
No kidding -- and at the end of the movie, she tells him that although she was
unwilling to follow him without some kind of justification that she herself could
qualify, now she can't give up -- on him or the X-Files, since that would be letting
*them* win. I mean, she was ready to leave him in the movie, but then she had
her abduction experience, and she doesn't deny it. There were at least three
times in The Beginning where Mulder disses her hardcore. I kept thinking to
myself, 'They call Scully the Ice Queen?' She keeps persisting with him,
encouraging him; the fact that she is still by his side exploring all of this crap
when once she would have turned and walked away is proof of that.
SSH
--
Roving Reporter, X-Ville Obfuscator (in absentia)
Beagle Scout
Haglund-appointed Langlyite
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/6196
To reply by email, please remove the iron from my address.
Christopher F Leavey
keep my opinions about Alex to myself! <GRIN!>
-Eliz
Jocelyn D. Shadforth wrote in message ...
>
>Christopher F Leavey wrote in message
><725q0o$72s$1...@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>...
>
>>That better be the only BANG he is thinking about!! Or I will pull his
head
Miriam or Margaret
Casey76683 wrote:
> >>Coleen Sullivan-Baier wrote:
> >>
> >> But....she was being so DAMN....**Scully**. Blah, blah, blah,
> >> you're an idiot, Mulder, PROVE iot, Mulder, SCIENCE, Mulder.
> >>
> >> "Science" THIS, Scully....
> >>
> >
> >But he DEFENDED Diana...she turned on him and turned him in and he still
> >defended her to Scully. Considering all the times he has asked Scully
> >to trust him, ya would think he would trust her.
Defending Diana is a mortal Sin. Any verb other than a synonym for killing/maiming
Diana is a mortal Sin.
> >
> >Cat
> >
> I agree with you, Cat. Here in FTF, Mulder tells Scully that her science has
> save him, etc., and she had to remind him of that tonight as he seemed to
> change his opinion. Then, when he acted at the end, like he didn't want to
> have to choose between Scully and Fowley... what happened to "you're the only
> one I trust", "you're my one in five million (or was it billion?)", etc.? I
> can't believe Mulder trusts Diana.
I can't believe he DOESN'T trust Scully. And all those 'Please, you idiot, will you
just trust me," conversations really didn't work. Maybe she should just shoot him.
Again.
> Well, when it comes out that she's a bad
> guy (probably working for the consortium), I, for one, will be waiting for
> Scully to tell Mulder "I told you so" although she won't do it. (I don't think
> she's as immature as I would be!)
She'll give him a LOOK. That's all she has to do.
___________
Miriam
> Casey
Nancy Black
> On 9 Nov 1998 03:24:05 GMT, scu...@aol.com (Sculxfs) wrote:
>
> >Excuse me, sisters, and brethren, I pray, but did the Punk not make you feel
>
> I am not a member of OBSSE, or of any Mulder group, because I have
> consistently felt that both characters have their good points and bad
> points.
I, too, have tried to remain neutral.... until now.
> However, this episode made me want to jump through my television set
> and throttle Jackass!Mulder until he turned blue and died.
>
> If his behavior can be explained by his having HOLES drilled in his
> HEAD, perhaps I would be able to forgive him.
My feelings *exactly*.
Nancy (yet another atxf Nancy)
glad she's not the only one pissed at Mulder right now
Sean Carroll
>
> Excuse me, sisters, and brethren, I pray, but did the Punk not make you feel
> like committing oh-so-unholy HOMICIDE with his ditching ways this evening?
I got a little annoyed at his "This time your science is wrong", but I
didn't feel very ditched, to be honest. This wasn't another "Herrenvolk"
or "Demons" ditch. It was Mulder knowing that Scully wouldn't have him,
her, and Gibson all looking for this thing so he went with Diana and let
her take care of what she considered more important.
--
--Sean
http://freecenter.digiweb.com/science_fiction/Pendrell_Jr/index.html
"Nothing happens in contradiction to nature. Only in contradiction to
what we know of it." --Dana Scully
Debra Reynolds
now. Scully is responsible directly and indirectly.
Directly, he was expecting her to back him up before the panel - unreasonably
so. If her testimony was so important, common sense dictates that a discussion
or two would have been had between them about it more fully. Scully would never
have said she was "hoping that it wouldn't come up", otherwise. She was
blindsided by that and Mulder's reliance on it to make his case. Mulder was
frustrated over losing the X-Files. I believe that he already knew that that
was going to happen before he walked in. Scully was just convenient to blame at
the time.
Indirectly because Mulder knows that Scully remembers every word spoken in their
hallway scene. Heck, she took the opportunity to remind him almost verbatim.
She knows how important she is to him now (however you want to take that) and it
scares the hell out of him that he actually admitted that to her. He's now
self-conscious and using her supposed betrayal/unreasonable denial as excuses to
distance himself from her emotionally. Diana Fowley's presence makes it that
much easier for him to pull it off convincingly. Mulder is using her as a
diversion so Scully doesn't catch on to what is really happening here.
I guess, for that reason, Scully's little speech about trust really got to me.
She's doing just what she always has but the process is somehow suddenly wrong.
Mulder's attitude is confusing the hell out of her.
Christopher F Leavey wrote:
> lynx mulderite wrote in>
>
> >Hold it, hold it. I'm not disputing that Mulder had better take his head
> >out of his ass and drop Fowley like a hot potato. When Diana drives up and
> tells him about the alien - he goes with her to find it. To get slam bang
> all at once proof. That's what he sees in Diana at that moment.
>
> That better be the only BANG he is thinking about!! Or I will pull his head
> out of his ass and give it to Krycek (who undoubtedly would know what to do
> with it). I know Scully is frustrating good 'ol Foxy-boy but isn't that her
> job! No conflict, no show! I just wish it was any other chick besides
> Fowl-chick! At least Bambi was cute!
> -Eliz
--
"I don't see, Mr. Speaker, why we should put ourselves out of the way to
serve posterity. What has posterity ever done for us?"
-Sir Boyle Roche, Member of Parliament
Just Ann
knows, and he's scared! He's pushing her away because he's
embarrassed. Of course, he does have a reason to angry with him, and
Diana does prove to be a distraction, but he is scared of what Scully
might be thinking, and that's making things worse.
--
Just Ann
And it also happens that people win with loaded dice...
Debra Reynolds wrote in message <3647AFEF...@ix.netcom.com>...
Kimberly Ross Largey
DOn't you think we are reading into this just slightly? I mean come on! Do
you think that CC and the new Hollywood LA gang is capable of such deep
relationship muddling when they also have to come up with a hand full of
plausible conspiracies every week! I think they're just going to take the
easy soap opera road of the whole Diana Uberbitch thing. She is just there
to mess things up for a while.
Kahlil>
devi...@mindspring.com
>> Sometimes he needs a trout
>>slap in the ass.
Bev, the SoCal lady who must back off my cat
>Who, Mulder or Shippy? I think Shippy might enjoy it.
>
>Come to think of it, Mulder might, too <G>
Shippy hasn't even reached kitty puberty yet. She has done nothing yet to
show that she deserves a trout slap on the butt. I can't leave my trout
laying out though because she would eat it. Now Mulder is different thing
altogether. If I was wielding the trout, he would like it very much. I
have that power, you know
obsidian
> >>Please feel free to comment or expand upon any or all of the above.
>
You aren't getting enough *rest* my dear... ;)
--
<*><*><*>obsidian<*><*><*>
"The pain you make...is
the pain you have to take."
Crow:STH
Millimati Nightwatchman
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