XF Controversies
laura capozzola
changed our perspective on any of them. Which ones still push
your hot button? Which ones do you have a different opinion
about now? Weigh in with your opinions pro and con. Feel free
to respond to different controversies in separate posts in this
thread. Feel free to add a controversy I omitted.
1. The show move from Friday night to Sunday night.
2. The show move from Vancouver to Los Angeles.
3. Mulder/Scully Romance.
4. X-Files Lite (humorous/comedic/lite eps)
5. Giving Scully children - Emily and/or William.
6. DD/GA interviews about the show.
7. GA's salary.
8. The Samantha ending.
9. Scully's cancer arc.
10. Morgan and Wong returning for the beginning of Season 4 after
being gone for Season 3.
11. CSM is/isn't Mulder's father.
12. Re-signing DD to do 6 episodes in Season 8.
13. Adding Robert Patrick to the show in Season 8 to play
Scully's new partner.
14. The X-Files syndicated on FX.
15. Diana Fowley.
16. Character deaths.
17. Standalones versus mythology eps.
18. Variety of aliens.
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EricTheRed
"laura capozzola" <laur...@erols.com> wrote in message
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> Let's revisit some old X-Files controversies and see if time has
> changed our perspective on any of them. Which ones still push
> your hot button? Which ones do you have a different opinion
> about now? Weigh in with your opinions pro and con. Feel free
> to respond to different controversies in separate posts in this
> thread. Feel free to add a controversy I omitted.
>
>
> 1. The show move from Friday night to Sunday night.
It may have been a good idea initially, but the network just pre-empted the
show way too much this year and last year. They screwed around with the fans
and their expectations, and the payoff was light. Add to that the lack of
re-runs during the "summer" period, and you've got people thinking that the
show has been cancelled for Pete's sake.
The network should get serious about the show if the are serious about
making money with the show. Look at NBC, they won't pre-empt Freinds for a
presidential speech, and sports are cleverly re-secheduled around this show.
>
> 2. The show move from Vancouver to Los Angeles.
I am indifferent, though I think many Canadians will think this is a big
deal.
If the ratings stay the way they are now, the show could save money by
shooting in Vancouver.
>
> 3. Mulder/Scully Romance.
This has been resolved, to the satisfaction of many.
>
> 4. X-Files Lite (humorous/comedic/lite eps)
The espisodes don't have to be sitcom stupid, with the laff-trak going off
every 9 seconds.
Clever dialog, irony, biting dialog are all appreciated.
>
> 5. Giving Scully children - Emily and/or William.
Emily was OK because she died before taking over Dana's life.
>
> 6. DD/GA interviews about the show.
I don't care about that anymore.
>
> 7. GA's salary.
If she's not buying my cars, I don't care either.
>
> 8. The Samantha ending.
Mulder was a Don Quixote after all.
Nice irony, in line with the show.
There are no aliens, and evil comes to this world through the dark hearts of
evil people.
Starlight was a nice way to say "Samanth dies and went to heaven" without
invoking any specific religion.
>
> 9. Scully's cancer arc.
Fantastic.
>
> 10. Morgan and Wong returning for the beginning of Season 4 after
> being gone for Season 3.
S4 is a great season.
>
> 11. CSM is/isn't Mulder's father.
Does anybody really know who their father really is?
Population genetics studies show that as many as 15% of all children in the
USA are not the child of the man who thinks is their father.
>
> 12. Re-signing DD to do 6 episodes in Season 8.
They signed him, fine.
They outright lied about how many and how much we would see him, and that
disappointed too many people.
>
> 13. Adding Robert Patrick to the show in Season 8 to play
> Scully's new partner.
Good actor, not a rookie, has a nice resume.
>
> 14. The X-Files syndicated on FX.
Indifferent. Maybe that's because FX is available in my area.
>
> 15. Diana Fowley.
Nice lady.
>
> 16. Character deaths.
That keeps viewers guessing, and it keeps viewers aware that there is a real
danger. Characters are in peril when they are chasing these criminals.
>
> 17. Standalones versus mythology eps.
Mythology is what got me hooked, and it is what will keep me watching.
I hate standalones because regular characters never die in standalones.
Corrollary#1: you know the heroes will come out of any peril without any
repercussions.
Corrolary#2: writers cannot create suspense if viewer KNOW that everything
is going to be awright.
In standalones, writers can shock us but they won't keep us on the edge of
our seat. Suspense and shock are very different.
>
> 18. Variety of aliens.
TXF is not MIB, so get that alien stuff a bit more consistent.
Jewlz!
>Let's revisit some old X-Files controversies and see if time has
>changed our perspective on any of them. Which ones still push
>your hot button? Which ones do you have a different opinion
>about now? Weigh in with your opinions pro and con. Feel free
>to respond to different controversies in separate posts in this
>thread. Feel free to add a controversy I omitted.
>
>
>1. The show move from Friday night to Sunday night.
The only that bothers me about Sunday night is that I can't stay up late. I
think I would love it to move to Friday night. BUT, they show would risk
losing more watchers.
>2. The show move from Vancouver to Los Angeles.
I have no problem with where they shoot.
>3. Mulder/Scully Romance.
Here we go. Ok, being a M/S shipper is kinda hard now without Mulder around.
It's like being on a ship without a motor. I have my own theory though about
M and S. I say that S is still in secret contact with M and he is out there
looking on his own for truths about aliens and such. He is an abductee. He
never shared his story of what he went through with the audience. So I'm
thinking he is out there talking to other abductees and gathering his
thoughts and healing his pain. S can't travel right now cause of the baby so
she took a teaching position and that is fine with her. One day M will be
back after he finds some conclusions and the baby will be older and M and S
can finally and safely be together. :D
>4. X-Files Lite (humorous/comedic/lite eps)
I wouldn't mind seeing one or two this year.
>5. Giving Scully children - Emily and/or William.
I like it. CC/ Emily were, IMHO, pretty deep eps for Scully and since then
she wanted to have children. Now she has William and there is something
wrong with him too. I think the whole 'I want children but something is
wrong with them' theme can work for her because GA gives good angst about
that sensitive topic.
>6. DD/GA interviews about the show.
I want more of them.
>7. GA's salary.
Who cares?
>8. The Samantha ending.
I still think they should explore the Older!Samantha version a bit more. So
what is Young!Sam died? There were still clones running around....
>9. Scully's cancer arc.
What if her cancer came back? EEk! Talk about angst! And while she's a
mother?? This could be interesting but I don't want her to die or anything.
>10. Morgan and Wong returning for the beginning of Season 4 after
>being gone for Season 3.
I don't care.
>11. CSM is/isn't Mulder's father.
Doesn't matter now if CSM is really dead but if he were *not* dead....
>12. Re-signing DD to do 6 episodes in Season 8.
I guess I liked it. '3 Words' and 'Vienen' and 'Empedocles' and 'Alone' were
some great M/ D interactions and I wanted to see more. They play off each
other nicely. Heck, Mulder plays off anyone nicely. I miss him. <weep>
And as for M/ S interactions, the reunion was great but I feel like there
was a lot going on behind-the-scenes and the audience missed it. They didn't
have enough time together.
But that last M/S scene was just sweet. :D
>13. Adding Robert Patrick to the show in Season 8 to play
>Scully's new partner.
At first I was like, "What??", then he grew on me right before Mulder came
back. ;)
>14. The X-Files syndicated on FX.
I love it.
>15. Diana Fowley.
GRRR!!!! Why did you have to bring *her* in this thread?? Yes, I still
can't stand her and I'm glad she's dead. Dead. Dead. Dead. :)
>16. Character deaths.
They always kill off the ones I like <Spender, CSM>, but they bring ones I
don't care for <Rhorer>.
>17. Standalones versus mythology eps.
I like both but lately I've been more into standalones.
>18. Variety of aliens.
Yes! I love black oil and clones. I want to see more claw-alien babies!
Bring them on! ;D
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<laur...@erols.com> wrote:
>Let's revisit some old X-Files controversies and see if time has
>changed our perspective on any of them. Which ones still push
>your hot button? Which ones do you have a different opinion
>about now? Weigh in with your opinions pro and con. Feel free
>to respond to different controversies in separate posts in this
>thread. Feel free to add a controversy I omitted.
>
>
>1. The show move from Friday night to Sunday night.
>
I know this one was a big deal, but it was before my time on the ng.
I wasn't really a regular watcher until after the move, so for me, it
was a good thing.
>2. The show move from Vancouver to Los Angeles.
>
I was apprehensive about it, but I could see why DD wanted to move.
It wasn't worth all the hysterics.
>3. Mulder/Scully Romance.
>
I liked the relationship. I liked the tease. I called myself a
shipper. But after a while, I got pissed at Mulder. I felt like he
didn't mind manipulating Scully when it served his purpose, or when he
felt she was about to walk. I wanted them together in the end because
she wanted him, but I didn't feel that he deserved her. I gradually
prepared myself for Duchovny to leave, and if he had gone in the
spaceship and never come back I would have been fine with that.
Now I just couldn't care less about the MSR. So they did it, so they
didn't --whatever. Would Mulder leave Scully? Of course. I don't
have any trouble believing it. I never saw one single indication that
he thought that baby was his. (Yes, I know, CC says it is, but they
NEVER showed that on the show.) In fact, I saw lots more in
Duchovny's performance that indicated that Mulder thought the baby was
someone else's.
>4. X-Files Lite (humorous/comedic/lite eps)
>
A good story is a good story whether it is humorous or serious. Some
of them I liked and some I didn't. I still feel that way.
>5. Giving Scully children - Emily and/or William.
>
Emily was okay because they killed her off right away. (Sorry!) It
was horrible for Scully to lose her, and it will be an angst-o-rama if
something happens to William, so he is/was a bad idea.
>6. DD/GA interviews about the show.
>
I am always better off not reading them.
>7. GA's salary.
>
Don't know what it is, and don't care, except that I hope she gets
paid a lot, and that she is happy with it.
>8. The Samantha ending.
>
That was freakin' weird. I thought it would have been much more
poignant if she had been alive somewhere, living out a sort of normal
life, with little or no memory of Fox or who she was before her
abduction.
>9. Scully's cancer arc.
>
I loved it. I thought it was handled well, and still do.
>10. Morgan and Wong returning for the beginning of Season 4 after
>being gone for Season 3.
>
I didn't even know this happened.
>11. CSM is/isn't Mulder's father.
>
I always sort of hoped he would turn out to be. Still do, I guess,
although it doesn't matter so much anymore, since CSM, Teena, Bill
Mulder and Mulder are all gone.
>12. Re-signing DD to do 6 episodes in Season 8.
>
BAD mistake. But it's not like they could have known how freakin'
impossible it would be to write around those appearances.
>13. Adding Robert Patrick to the show in Season 8 to play
>Scully's new partner.
>
The best single decision made since casting David and Gillian.
>14. The X-Files syndicated on FX.
>
Good thing. I got to see episodes that I had never seen from seasons
1 and 2.
>15. Diana Fowley.
>
The character I didn't mind. The actress I didn't mind. What I hated
was that she made Mulder look like a schmuck and Scully look like a
jealous, insecure schoolgirl. I NEVER forgave Mulder for the scene at
the LGM's place when Scully tried to tell him there was something
wrong about Diana. And I tried, I really did.
>16. Character deaths.
>
Deep Throat - great death
X - the best recurring character death scene ever
Bill Mulder - very shocking
Melissa Scully - okay that she died offscreen
Diana Fowley - inevitable
Mrs. Mulder - glad to see her go, the bitch
Blevins - a good shocker
CSM - not as good a death as he deserved
Krycek - very dramatic, but I didn't understand what happened
Mulder - TINH was my favorite Mulder death. It would have been very
moving if I hadn't know how many eps DD was contracted for.
>17. Standalones versus mythology eps.
>
The mythology eps are always exciting, but I haven't been able to
follow them since S4, maybe even S3.
I really like a good, solid stand-alone best.
>18. Variety of aliens.
>
There was a time, early on, when I didn't think there were really any
aliens. Then it became indisputable that they existed, and I tried to
keep up with them and make them fit together in some way. Now I just
ignore them for the most part. ;)
Thanks, Laura. This was very therapeutic.
Liz W.
dimduk
>
by 1013 and everyone is giving her the cold shou;der. I think she is a good
actress trying to do her best for the show and the fans. : )
And no, I'm not sleeping with her. : P
>
> 1. The show move from Friday night to Sunday night.
>
point when money became more important then the fans. From this point
onwards style gave way to substance abuse.
>
> 2. The show move from Vancouver to Los Angeles.
>
closer to the Hollywood scene, this is pretty much when the show started
running on fumes. Vancouver is better suited to the type of show the X-files
is, or was before the move.
>
> 3. Mulder/Scully Romance.
>
It never happened , I won't believe it , and you can't make me! < duk
sticks head back in sand > : P
>
> 4. X-Files Lite (humorous/comedic/lite eps)
>
FPS both bit the big one. I'd say it depends on context and how the writer
applies it.
>
> 5. Giving Scully children - Emily and/or William.
>
Scullys second child was to angsty and overdrawn. Emily's creation was cool
and could have been expanded on.
>
> 6. DD/GA interviews about the show.
>
are real people. I don't acknowledge their existence. It helps to make the
show more believeable to me. Plus I'm in the process of setting up an
insanity defense. ; P
>
> 7. GA's salary.
>
I think as a co-lead on the show her pay should have been equal to what's
his name. But on the other hand, Hollywood is about money and power, DD was
able to have his agent leverage him a larger paycheck.Also, GA might have
felt that she owed 1013 a lot for giving her a chance and being the
earthbound angel that she is decided not to press the issue untill the
disparity became public knowledge.
>
> 8. The Samantha ending.
>
There was an ending? Why didn't someone wake me up? : (
>
> 9. Scully's cancer arc.
>
but when it turned out to also have a hand in making her preggers it began
to lose it's luster. The duk isn't into multi-tasking. : (
>
> 10. Morgan and Wong returning for the beginning of Season 4 after
> being gone for Season 3.
>
pilots< humans > and Grunts or groundpounders< tanks/ artifical humans> I've
worked with pilots and you'll never see one of them get dirty.
>
> 11. CSM is/isn't Mulder's father.
>
did.
>
> 12. Re-signing DD to do 6 episodes in Season 8.
>
way I would have done it would have been to have Mulder face change into the
John Smith < sp> character or the ABH character and then we would find out
that Mulder had been the leader or maybe a special agent of the Alien
Rebels. That would have been cool, then we could have DD do cameos as an
ABH.
>
> 13. Adding Robert Patrick to the show in Season 8 to play
> Scully's new partner.
>
that Mulder was an alien and then he could have found out for sure but
Mulder would tell him not to tell Scully because it would upset her. This
would fit in with him rescueing her from the alien ship/CSM ship in FTF and
it would make D!B!D! an alien baby. Which would be a lot cooler then psychic
friends network baby.
>
> 14. The X-Files syndicated on FX.
>
>
> 15. Diana Fowley.
>
Mmmmm, breast. ; P I'm sorry, you were saying? : )
>
> 16. Character deaths.
>
I liked the lighting strike in D.P.O, X's death scene and Ratboy's, I just
wish the CSM had a more definte and fitting ending. : (
>
> 17. Standalones versus mythology eps.
>
doubt they knew they were going to last this long.
>
> 18. Variety of aliens.
>
Too many and too little screen time. I think the aliens in Duane Barry and
FTF were the coolest , the faceless aliens were the scariest and the
blackoil/Purity/whatever didn't do much for me. : (
( dimduk, Duxxon Valdez ) : )
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> Let's revisit some old X-Files controversies and see if time has
> changed our perspective on any of them. Which ones still push
> your hot button? Which ones do you have a different opinion
> about now? Weigh in with your opinions pro and con. Feel free
> to respond to different controversies in separate posts in this
> thread. Feel free to add a controversy I omitted.
> 1. The show move from Friday night to Sunday night.
A good thing initially although I believe the success on Sun night
brought about different demands for the creators. It became even more
about money (keep the ratings high) than a creative vision. Still some
of the best seasons came about post move so its possible to do excellent
work and have people continue to enjoy it.
> 2. The show move from Vancouver to Los Angeles.
Shouldn't have been a problem. I'm not sure it was.
> 3. Mulder/Scully Romance.
Not a pretty journey. So much wasted potential.
> 4. X-Files Lite (humorous/comedic/lite eps)
One or 2 episodes per season is enough.
> 5. Giving Scully children - Emily and/or William.
Emily was okay because it gave Gillian the opportunity to act her little
heart out. William has turned out to be a big mistake.
> 6. DD/GA interviews about the show.
They're actors. Who cares.
> 7. GA's salary.
None of my business.
> 8. The Samantha ending.
I'm better with it now but I would have preferred Diner Samantha to be
the real thing.
> 9. Scully's cancer arc.
Excellent from beginning to end. I wouldn't have changed a thing.
> 10. Morgan and Wong returning for the beginning of Season 4 after
> being gone for Season 3.
Are they responsible to TFWID?
> 11. CSM is/isn't Mulder's father.
I think so. It works with the mythology and adds some dimension to Mrs.
Mulder's character.
> 12. Re-signing DD to do 6 episodes in Season 8.
Should have and could have been handled much better. I had a lot of
faith in these guys and they disappointed me.
> 13. Adding Robert Patrick to the show in Season 8 to play
> Scully's new partner.
I would have preferred if the character had been introduced earlier. I
also wish they would stop telling us so much about his character and
just let us see it for ourselves. I very much like Kevin Patterson's
interpretation of Doggett's possible character development (posted to
atxfa). I hope it works out that way.
> 14. The X-Files syndicated on FX.
How could this be bad.
> 15. Diana Fowley.
Good idea, bad execution (I think I just made a joke)
> 16. Character deaths.
Loved every one of them.
> 17. Standalones versus mythology eps.
Always and forever, the mythology eps.
> 18. Variety of aliens.
Confusing. I think I may have given up.
Anna
Anna
> <snip>
> In fact, I saw lots more in
> Duchovny's performance that indicated that Mulder thought the baby was
> someone else's.
It wasn't just in David's performance. It was evident in the words the
writers put in his mouth.
> <snip>
>
> >12. Re-signing DD to do 6 episodes in Season 8.
> BAD mistake. But it's not like they could have known how freakin'
> impossible it would be to write around those appearances.
How so? Do you think having DD in 6 episodes actually hurt the show?
Also how could they not have known? Both DD and CC signed on in May when
they hadn't even begun to write the scripts for Season 8. It's not
impossible to write around DD's appearances. These are creative guys.
Look at what they did when Gillian got pregnant. Pure genius, imo.
Anna
spookycc
"Jewlz!" <je...@vnet.net> wrote in message
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> laura capozzola wrote in message :::::
> >Let's revisit some old X-Files controversies and see if time has
> >changed our perspective on any of them. Which ones still push
> >your hot button? Which ones do you have a different opinion
> >about now? Weigh in with your opinions pro and con. Feel free
> >to respond to different controversies in separate posts in this
> >thread. Feel free to add a controversy I omitted.
<snip>
> >12. Re-signing DD to do 6 episodes in Season 8.
>
>
> I guess I liked it. '3 Words' and 'Vienen' and 'Empedocles' and 'Alone'
were
> some great M/ D interactions and I wanted to see more. They play off each
> other nicely. Heck, Mulder plays off anyone nicely. I miss him. <weep>
>
> And as for M/ S interactions, the reunion was great but I feel like there
> was a lot going on behind-the-scenes and the audience missed it. They
didn't
> have enough time together.
>
> But that last M/S scene was just sweet. :D
Sacharine. ;-/
spookycc
"We are SHODDS. Noromos will be assimilated.
Shippers will be eliminated. Resistance is futile."
Alan Hurshman
Good for the kiddie viewers. Not good for us
adults who loved our X-File Friday Parties.
> 2. The show move from Vancouver to Los Angeles.
Bad for the production values (it took them
two bloody years to figure out how to shoot
the bloody show). Bad for the budget and
story types.
> 3. Mulder/Scully Romance.
Useful at first when it operated at a low level.
But by the end of season 6 it had gotten way old.
They should have got together in or right after
the movie or moved on to other people.
> 4. X-Files Lite (humorous/comedic/lite eps)
Good if properly interspersed with heavier episodes.
> 5. Giving Scully children - Emily and/or William.
Dreadfully stupid both times.
> 6. DD/GA interviews about the show.
Usually poorly done. Thet don't know how to
give good interview.
> 7. GA's salary.
Should have been paid close to DD's salary
from season 3 onward.
> 8. The Samantha ending.
If I thought that was the real ending
I would think it was dumb.
> 9. Scully's cancer arc.
Well handled and interesting.
> 10. Morgan and Wong returning for the beginning of Season 4 after
> being gone for Season 3.
I had no problem with it.
> 11. CSM is/isn't Mulder's father.
OK as long as we don't have to take it
too serriously. A good running joke.
> 12. Re-signing DD to do 6 episodes in Season 8.
Waste of time and money. One of the rules
for interviewing people for a job is to focus
not on their technical skills but look at how
interested and eager they are to do the work.
DD was justifiably bored with playing Mulder
and could not be expected to do his best work.
And as it turned out he did little more than stand
there and read the words.
> 13. Adding Robert Patrick to the show in Season 8 to play
> Scully's new partner.
Great casting!
> 14. The X-Files syndicated on FX.
We see it on space and it is good. The good
old Jebus Slug was back last night.
> 15. Diana Fowley.
She lived too long.
> 16. Character deaths.
Oh poor old Pendrell!
> 17. Standalones versus mythology eps.
Yay standalones.
> 18. Variety of aliens.
No big deal. We don't have a map of Alien-Ville
so we should expect there to be confusion over
who is who and what they are up to.
--
Alan Hurshman
Halifax, Nova Scotia
{Wishbone For Scully In 2002}
FEB, CCC, GABAL, #27
Order of the Holy Pup
CCynic #2, WNS
Lydia Wilkes
>Let's revisit some old X-Files controversies and see if time has
>changed our perspective on any of them. Which ones still push
>your hot button? Which ones do you have a different opinion
>about now? Weigh in with your opinions pro and con. Feel free
>to respond to different controversies in separate posts in this
>thread. Feel free to add a controversy I omitted.
>
>
>1. The show move from Friday night to Sunday night.
At the time, I was still in high school band and had to go to football games
on Friday night, so I was pleased. Then I got out of band and wished it was
back on Fridays, since Friday is just a cooler day than Sunday. Now, I'm
happy with it being on Sunday, because it's a great way to start off Monday
morning. <g>
>2. The show move from Vancouver to Los Angeles.
Sucked then, sucks now. Although, the TREES in Requiem were nice and since
then, they've really gotten some of the old spookiness where settings are
concerned back and I applaude them for that. Yay spooky forests!
>3. Mulder/Scully Romance.
It was great when they were just giving us little nibbles here and there and
we'd all fight about it visciously here. Then the baby came into play and
it started to suck (Doggett and DD's arrogance had something to do with
that, too). It was controversial until the 8th season, imo.
>4. X-Files Lite (humorous/comedic/lite eps)
I've never had a problem with these. They caught me off-guard at first, but
I got used them and now some of my favorite eps are the lighter ones.
>5. Giving Scully children - Emily and/or William.
BAD IDEA!
>6. DD/GA interviews about the show.
I stopped really paying attention to these a long time ago, so I have no
opinion.
>7. GA's salary.
Since she really hasn't made as much of a stink about it as DD did, I don't
care.
>8. The Samantha ending.
I recall being one of the few who didn't like this when it aired. I thought
it was a cop-out. I still think it's a cop-out. Bullshit, bullshit,
bullshit. Of course, by that time, Mulder had progressed beyond the need to
find Samantha, imo. She and the aliens became secondary to other things.
So, I can see how 1013 would want to get her out of the way for good and let
Mulder pursue government nastiness full-time, and I think they did that
well. Closure was certainly a poignant ep (and it made me run out and buy
Play), but I still think making Samantha a ghost was a cop-out.
>9. Scully's cancer arc.
Good stuff. Very good stuff.
>10. Morgan and Wong returning for the beginning of Season 4 after
>being gone for Season 3.
I love them too much to stay mad at them. ;-)
>11. CSM is/isn't Mulder's father.
Hmm. I don't know. For a while, this seemed important, but then they
"killed" him. Since they haven't returned to this arc in so long, I've
stopped really caring about it. For me, "Is CSM alive or dead?" would be
the better controversy.
>12. Re-signing DD to do 6 episodes in Season 8.
I was angry with DD for that, but glad they could get him for at least 6.
This made the season slightly less enjoyable, but some of the S8 DD scenes
were REALLY good, so I mixed feelings on this one.
>13. Adding Robert Patrick to the show in Season 8 to play
>Scully's new partner.
Hehe. When it was announced, I hated the idea (like almost everyone else
here did). And they he started to become a wonderful character. The
addition of Doggett to TXF is one of the best things 1013 has done for the
show. I *heart* Dogbert.
>14. The X-Files syndicated on FX.
Yay!!!!! And when I finally got FX, WOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOO!!!!!!
>15. Diana Fowley.
Die, bitch, die.
>16. Character deaths.
Depends on the character.
>17. Standalones versus mythology eps.
I like them both, though I perfer mythology eps.
>18. Variety of aliens.
Keeps things interesting. It also tells me that 1013 doesn't know what the
hell they're doing.
Here's another: The addition of Reyes to the show as Doggett's partner.
DIE, BITCH, DIE!
Liz Wallace
wrote:
>Liz Wallace wrote:
>
>> <snip>
>> In fact, I saw lots more in
>> Duchovny's performance that indicated that Mulder thought the baby was
>> someone else's.
>
>It wasn't just in David's performance. It was evident in the words the
>writers put in his mouth.
>
Yeah, well, that too. The whole thing, even down to the way the
scenes were staged, just screamed that Mulder was totally bewildered
by the pregnancy. I know a lot of people hated it, but I thought it
was consistent with Mulder's character.
>> <snip>
>>
>> >12. Re-signing DD to do 6 episodes in Season 8.
>> BAD mistake. But it's not like they could have known how freakin'
>> impossible it would be to write around those appearances.
>
>How so? Do you think having DD in 6 episodes actually hurt the show?
>
Yes. Had DD not been contracted to appear in S8, there would have
been no brain disease, no IVF attempt, no scenes of alien torture, no
exhumation and return from the dead, no lame jokes about dalliance
with the pizza man. Most or all of the retro-storytelling that
people complain about would probably not have happened without DD in
S8.
If DD had not been contracted to appear in S8, the season could have
been structured to move forward with the new characters. I have heard
over and over how people feel Doggett's character was not developed
well in S8. That is because they spent time showing us flashbacks of
stuff that happened a year ago to a character who we all knew would
soon be gone for good.
Also, the show would have been easier to write and produce. I have
read that DD's contract provided for his availability for shooting on
certain given days here and there. It sounds as if they had to write
and shoot the episodes around his scene by scene availability.
There's no way it wouldn't have been easier to do, from story planning
to shooting, with the actors who are there all the time.
Please don't think I'm criticising DD for doing S8. He had every
right to get the very best deal he could, and to work out his
availability in whatever way he thought best for him. I just wish,
for the sake of the story, that he hadn't agreed to appear in S8
> Also how could they not have known? Both DD and CC signed on in May when
>they hadn't even begun to write the scripts for Season 8. It's not
>impossible to write around DD's appearances. These are creative guys.
>Look at what they did when Gillian got pregnant. Pure genius, imo.
>
Obviously it is not impossible to write around DD's availability.
They did it, and I'm impressed that they did. The Gift and Vienen
were very good uses of the character in compelling stories. I'm just
saying that it would have certainly been easier to do without him, and
that some of the plot clinkers might not have been included if Mulder
had not returned from his abduction.
Liz W.
Brie
>
> Here's another: The addition of Reyes to the show as Doggett's partner.
>
> DIE, BITCH, DIE!
>
yes
(though I'd probably substitute "stupid flake" for "bitch")
Brie
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Lucas
<laur...@erols.com> wrote:
>Let's revisit some old X-Files controversies and see if time has
>changed our perspective on any of them. Which ones still push
>your hot button? Which ones do you have a different opinion
>about now? Weigh in with your opinions pro and con.
>3. Mulder/Scully Romance.
My first reaction was Ewwwwww.
Then I re-read this as Mulder/Scully UST. Still Ewwwww.
But Doggett/Scully UST? Mmmm nice.
>4. X-Files Lite (humorous/comedic/lite eps)
Liked it with Mulder. Still do.
God forbid with Doggett.
>6. DD/GA interviews about the show.
I think a lot less of DD now that we know his thoughts on S8/9. He
could have been a lot more gracious about how things turned out,
especially to the people that "made" him.
I used to get a big kick laughing at those die-hard DD fans who post
here (that Marlene somebody-or-other that I killfiled long ago)
because it's so pathetic that they're defending someone who made a
conscious choice to LEAVE the show. DD didn't want to be in it
anymore, but those rabid fans just go on and on about DD this and DD
that... fer cryin out loud, the dude LEFT.
>9. Scully's cancer arc.
Damn, what are they doing with it now?
>12. Re-signing DD to do 6 episodes in Season 8.
Worst decision they made. Ewww then, ewww now. I'm with you on
having them just look for Mulder, without actually having him there.
BUT it did make for some great scenes where we all feel badly for poor
old Doggett. Now each time in S9 where someone mentions Mulder, I
actually wince. Enough already.
>13. Adding Robert Patrick to the show in Season 8 to play
>Scully's new partner.
First reaction on hearing the news: T1000's gonna be in The X-Files?
Coooooooooool. Then a little worry about whether he could pull it
off, in face of the hordes of DD fans.
Now, I think it's absofreakinlutely the best damn decision they made.
So I got used to laid-back Mulder because we didn't have anything to
compare him to. Now that we do, Doggett KICKS ASS.
>14. The X-Files syndicated on FX.
I would love to have anything syndicated anywhere. I don't get
repeats of any U.S. shows at all here. So if my VCR dies, that's it
for me. Sucks.
>15. Diana Fowley.
Die, Fowley, DIE! Both then and now. Thought she was a great
character to hate.
>17. Standalones versus mythology eps.
Used to like them the same, plot holes in the mytharc never bothered
me, they were still entertaining. Now I am looking forward to a whole
new mythology, with conspiracies and lots of action-packed
adventure-type running around. If they choose a solid basis for it
this time round, I'm willing to bet I'll like it better than
standalones in future.
>18. Variety of aliens.
I know your survey said that men all listed aliens as their number 1
thing they liked in the XF. Hmm, if the aliens are all going to be of
the little green/grey men variety, then forget it. I keep thinking
Jose Chung and laughing my head off.
-Lucas
Fiona
> 1. The show move from Friday night to Sunday night.
Never impacted, as I'm in the UK, although Sunday here is usually seen as a
better slot for a drama, as many people go out on Friday nights.
> 2. The show move from Vancouver to Los Angeles.
Never pushed my buttons. In the end, if the cast wanted/needed the change
and it made them want to continue making the show, I was happy to go along
with it. I also never had any real problems with lighting or location, I
still enjoyed the plots and that was more important to me.
> 3. Mulder/Scully Romance.
*What* romance?? It might have been nice to get some instead of the awkward
last minute fumbling we got after 8 years. I was never that bothered if they
got it on or not, but would have liked them to have had the chance to do it
well.
> 4. X-Files Lite (humorous/comedic/lite eps)
Never bothered me & some are still among my favourites.
> 5. Giving Scully children - Emily and/or William.
Pretty much I hate it - the Emily storyline was never developed beyond the
2-parter and served only to allow GA to angst, angst and angst again.
William seems to be more of the same. The writers didn't create a child,
they created an instant plot device.
> 6. DD/GA interviews about the show.
I'm always interested to read actors interviews, whatever the show.
> 7. GA's salary.
I still think that it an actor's (and their representation's) business to
negotiate salary and not something to be bandied about in the media.
> 8. The Samantha ending.
Absolutely dreadful and utterly nonsensical. The ABH told Mulder she was
alive in S2, we get adult clones all over the place, then we're supposed to
believe that she died at 14 just because the writers are seemingly too lazy
to check back over what's been said before and to write something that makes
sense. I'd even have been happy if they said she died at an age like 28, at
least it wouldn't have made Megan Leitch's contribution a waste of time.
> 9. Scully's cancer arc.
Well handled, written and acted on the whole.
> 10. Morgan and Wong returning for the beginning of Season 4 after
> being gone for Season 3.
I wish they'd been around in S3 and had continued writing for the show
during and after S4, characters they created are still some of the most
popular (Skinner, LGM etc) and perhaps there might have been better received
new characters if they had stayed on board.
> 11. CSM is/isn't Mulder's father.
I just wish they'd say once and for all, IMO it stopped being an interesting
tease quite some time ago, if they had actually said one way or the other
and developed the idea, maybe it might have meant something.
> 12. Re-signing DD to do 6 episodes in Season 8.
I wish he's done more. I thought he had good and interesting scenes with RP
and thought that a 4-way dynamic might have made even Reyes tolerable.
> 13. Adding Robert Patrick to the show in Season 8 to play
> Scully's new partner.
I still wish Skinner had been in the mix more but if someone had to be
added, RP was fine. I do wish that I had liked his character more though,
they made him such an unbeliever early on that I thought he was a fool,
always denying the blindingly obvious even when it happened inches away from
him.
> 14. The X-Files syndicated on FX.
Doesn't apply
> 15. Diana Fowley.
Might have been interesting if the writers had any idea how to write for a
competent actress rather than thinking that the easy out of unsubstantiated
jealousy & bitchiness was a good excuse for characterisation.
> 16. Character deaths.
Good when it promotes drama (Deep Throat, Emily, Max) poor and irritating
when it's used to remove characters when writers have written themselves
into a corner (Jeff Spender, Fowley).
> 17. Standalones versus mythology eps.
I like both
> 18. Variety of aliens.
I now think there are so many aliens that it's got silly. Perhaps if some
attempt had been made to explain some of the factions a few years ago it
might have been easier to take but there has been none and I'm verging on
bored - if the writers seemingly can't be bothered to provide any rationale
or consistency for aliens, why should I? I'm also bothered about how various
aliens have been quietly shelved and the audience is just supposed to forget
about them (ABH, Oiliens).
Fiona
Doug Butler
As a young man in my late 20's during the first few seasons, I wouldn't
have been caught dead in front of the TV on a Friday night. The switch
to Sunday got me watching, and eventually hooked.
> 2. The show move from Vancouver to Los Angeles.
Made no difference to me.
> 3. Mulder/Scully Romance.
It's killed many shows before, so it was an awful big chance they took.
> 4. X-Files Lite (humorous/comedic/lite eps)
Despise them. Wit and sarcasm written into an otherwise serious ep is
one thing, but full comedic eps don't do it for me. It's what I think
derailed TLG series right out of the gate.
> 5. Giving Scully children - Emily and/or William.
She's a woman... why wouldn't they?
> 6. DD/GA interviews about the show.
Makes no difference to me
> 7. GA's salary.
See #6
> 8. The Samantha ending.
Sort of non-climactic, considering it's THE question the show revolved
around.
> 9. Scully's cancer arc.
Unbelieveable, but gripping nonetheless
> 10. Morgan and Wong returning for the beginning of Season 4 after
> being gone for Season 3.
I enjoyed season 3 a little more than season 4, but that may or may not
be why.
> 11. CSM is/isn't Mulder's father.
Would've like to have known for sure, but that's uncommon with this show
> 12. Re-signing DD to do 6 episodes in Season 8.
Didn't want him gone in the first place. But I'll take what I can get.
> 13. Adding Robert Patrick to the show in Season 8 to play
> Scully's new partner.
Before we had a true believer & a skeptic. Now we have a partial
believer and a militant skeptic.
> 14. The X-Files syndicated on FX.
Never watch broadcasted reruns. Only on DVD.
> 15. Diana Fowley.
Died but no body. Will probably show up as a supersoldier.
> 16. Character deaths.
Have there been any that we're sure of?
> 17. Standalones versus mythology eps.
Like them both. I just don't like multi-part eps... I've never been a
patient man.
> 18. Variety of aliens.
It's getting a little out of hand lately. Before there were only a few,
all very well defined. Now...who knows what's coming?
VerlindaH
>From: laura capozzola laur...@erols.com
>Date: 12/8/2001 10:41 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id:
>
>
>Let's revisit some old X-Files controversies and see if time has
>changed our perspective on any of them. Which ones still push
>your hot button? Which ones do you have a different opinion
>about now? Weigh in with your opinions pro and con. Feel free
>to respond to different controversies in separate posts in this
>thread. Feel free to add a controversy I omitted.
>
>
>1. The show move from Friday night to Sunday night.
Friday night would really be working well for me now--but that's due to major
life changes for me, as Sunday used to be just fine. I never got really
excited about that one way or the other, so there you go.
>
>2. The show move from Vancouver to Los Angeles.
This didn't really bother me one way or the other, but the "look" of some eps
is definitely better in a locale like BC.
>
>3. Mulder/Scully Romance.
Deliver me--no romance, no way, no how.
Excuse--just the soulless noromo coming out.
>
>4. X-Files Lite (humorous/comedic/lite eps)
Bad Blood, Small Potatoes, Humbug--had some really funny moments in them so
those were fine. Rain King made me want to hurl a cow.
>
>5. Giving Scully children - Emily and/or William.
I loved the idea of Emily--but the sprog needs to go.
>
>6. DD/GA interviews about the show.
Some of the earlier ones (including the one--I think it's from Rolling Stone or
maybe US or People) where the inside cover shot has them in a morgue, with toe
tags, was a nice piece--they seemed genuinely supportive of each other. While
some things DD has said would have been better left said off the record, at
least he is honest.
>
>7. GA's salary.
She needs to grow up and learn how to manage her own business affairs--she
didn't deserve salary equity initially, and when she did deserve it, she should
have had the brains to make sure she got it by staying on top of the situation
and negotiating with the help of a smart agent/rep.
>
>8. The Samantha ending.
It didn't really bother me--but real life tragedies tend to overshadow my
opinion about dramatic situations like this.
>
>9. Scully's cancer arc.
I loved this--it was well handled and brought some of the best acting to the
show by the leads.
>
>10. Morgan and Wong returning for the beginning of Season 4 after
>being gone for Season 3.
They did good work--so why not?
>
>11. CSM is/isn't Mulder's father.
I think he very well could be--or at least, he wanted to believe that he was.
>
>12. Re-signing DD to do 6 episodes in Season 8.
This was a major mistake--DD should have made a clean break.
>
>13. Adding Robert Patrick to the show in Season 8 to play
>Scully's new partner.
Good move--they did work well together. The Doggett character has been written
very well, and used well in relation to Scully's character.
>
>14. The X-Files syndicated on FX.
I'd like it better if they came on at a decent hour.
>
>15. Diana Fowley.
I didn't hate her character--they could have done a lot with her.
>
>16. Character deaths.
The best one was still X--and even though they weren't *real* deaths, HtGSC
*still* makes me cringe in the shooting scene.
>
>17. Standalones versus mythology eps.
Give me standalones any day.
>
>18. Variety of aliens.
Good Lord, how many varieties do we need? Grays/faceless burning
aliens/etcetcetc--this almost became like a Kratt's Creatures.
VerlindaH
>
>
Anna
<snip>
> >3. Mulder/Scully Romance.
> It was great when they were just giving us little nibbles here and there and
> we'd all fight about it visciously here. Then the baby came into play and
> it started to suck (Doggett and DD's arrogance had something to do with
> that, too).
How did David's arrogance hurt the Mulder/Scully romance. Or Doggett for that
matter.
> <snip>
> >7. GA's salary.
>
> Since she really hasn't made as much of a stink about it as DD did, I don't
> care.
David made a stink about his salary? Do you remember when? I'd like to read
about it.
Anna
Anna
> On Sat, 08 Dec 2001 14:53:06 -0500, Anna <santo....@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
> >Liz Wallace wrote:
> >> <snip>
> >> In fact, I saw lots more in
> >> Duchovny's performance that indicated that Mulder thought the baby was
> >> someone else's.
> >It wasn't just in David's performance. It was evident in the words the
> >writers put in his mouth.
> Yeah, well, that too. The whole thing, even down to the way the
> scenes were staged, just screamed that Mulder was totally bewildered
> by the pregnancy. I know a lot of people hated it, but I thought it
> was consistent with Mulder's character.
To not know whether he could have fathered a child when he was having sex with
its mother? Or that he didn't come out and ask her?
> >> >12. Re-signing DD to do 6 episodes in Season 8.
> >> BAD mistake. But it's not like they could have known how freakin'
> >> impossible it would be to write around those appearances.
> >How so? Do you think having DD in 6 episodes actually hurt the show?
> Yes. Had DD not been contracted to appear in S8, there would have
> been no brain disease, no IVF attempt, no scenes of alien torture, no
> exhumation and return from the dead, no lame jokes about dalliance
> with the pizza man. Most or all of the retro-storytelling that
> people complain about would probably not have happened without DD in
> S8.
I agree completely. It was very bad story-telling which is why I'm baffled by
people who believe Season 8 is second only to Season 2 in quality.
> If DD had not been contracted to appear in S8, the season could have
> been structured to move forward with the new characters.
Like they're going to do this season?
> I have heard
> over and over how people feel Doggett's character was not developed
> well in S8. That is because they spent time showing us flashbacks of
> stuff that happened a year ago to a character who we all knew would
> soon be gone for good.
I don't think so. There were 20 (or was it 22) episodes in total. Lots and
lots of time to develop a character if that had been their intention. In fact
it could be argued that Doggett's character was more effectively developed in
the episodes in which David was present than in most of the remaining MOTW's.
> <snip>
> Please don't think I'm criticising DD for doing S8. He had every
> right to get the very best deal he could, and to work out his
> availability in whatever way he thought best for him. I just wish,
> for the sake of the story, that he hadn't agreed to appear in S8
I'd have to say that in retrospect, I agree. Although I've always believed
that it would have been better to end the Mulder and Scully story together I
was happy to have Mulder back for a few more episodes. It turned out to be a
very bad thing for Mulder and his fans.
> <snip>
> Obviously it is not impossible to write around DD's availability.
> They did it, and I'm impressed that they did. The Gift and Vienen
> were very good uses of the character in compelling stories. I'm just
> saying that it would have certainly been easier to do without him, and
> that some of the plot clinkers might not have been included if Mulder
> had not returned from his abduction.
Yep, easier but nowhere near impossible. Those plot clinkers are pretty major
stuff and imo have effectively ruined both Mulder and Scully's character. I've
yet to understand why any of those things happened but I don't believe it can
be attributed to DD's reduced presence. Putting aside the character screwing
(that hurts to type), episodes such as Three Words, Vienen, Alone, Empedocles
and TINH were among the best of the season.
Anna
Jen (is not a potato)
<je...@vnet.net> fawned:
>Here we go. Ok, being a M/S shipper is kinda hard now without Mulder around.
>It's like being on a ship without a motor.
Like Columbus? Or Vasco De Gama? Or Sir Frances Drake?
>. One day M will be
>back after he finds some conclusions and the baby will be older and M and S
>can finally and safely be together. :D
I'm gonna hurl like the Professor.
>But that last M/S scene was just sweet. :D
You may want to step back. Or not.
>>16. Character deaths.
>
>They always kill off the ones I like <Spender, CSM>
and Fowley.
Jen
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> 1. The show move from Friday night to Sunday night.
Not applicable. I'm not in the US.
> 2. The show move from Vancouver to Los Angeles.
Wish they hadn't done it. I liked the Canadian locales and the Canadian
actors. I think the show suffered a lot for the move. But I don't begrudge
DD wanting to be closer to his family.
> 3. Mulder/Scully Romance.
Bleagh then, bleagh now. At least now they've done it and sprogged we can
all get on with our lives.
> 4. X-Files Lite (humorous/comedic/lite eps)
I'd like to see one or two of them this season. I'd hate for them to be the
main focus but they always brighten my day.
> 5. Giving Scully children - Emily and/or William.
Emily was good. Love those episodes. William...well, whatever. By the
time Scully had William, she was just a person in the way of good
Doggett/Skinner/Reyes casefiles for me.
> 6. DD/GA interviews about the show.
Didn't care then, don't care now.
> 7. GA's salary.
Equity is good. The fact that she felt she had to do a season she clearly
didn't really want to do in order to get it is not.
> 8. The Samantha ending.
I don't give the starlight theory any credence in fact. That was *Mulder's*
closure, Mulder's internal resolution, not necessarily factual resolution.
Doesn't mean it really happened. I'm perfectly willing to think Samantha's
still out there. Seen in that light, I liked the episode, because it tied
off the Samantha arc for Mulder in quite a peaceful and beautiful way. I
think he'd been gradually making peace with the idea that she was gone, one
way or another, since Paper Hearts.
> 9. Scully's cancer arc.
Eh. I liked it at the time, but I think it did bad things for the character
longer-term.
> 10. Morgan and Wong returning for the beginning of Season 4 after
> being gone for Season 3.
I ::heart:: Morgan and Wong. Wish they were here.
> 11. CSM is/isn't Mulder's father.
I used to buy the CSM-father theory wholeheartedly - and I generally work on
that assumption for the purpose of fic, etc - but I'm not as hard-and-fast
on it as I used to be since I read an interview with Rebecca Toonan, who
played Teena Mulder. She believes the whole Mulder paternity thing is a
fantasy on the part of CSM, an outgrowth of his unrequited love for her.
That's a viable theory.
> 12. Re-signing DD to do 6 episodes in Season 8.
By then I didn't really care. Both Mulder and Scully were driving me nuts
by S8.
> 13. Adding Robert Patrick to the show in Season 8 to play
> Scully's new partner.
Whoo-hoo! Doggett and Reyes have saved XF for me.
> 14. The X-Files syndicated on FX.
This is an American issue. Not applicable.
> 15. Diana Fowley.
Loved her then, love her now. Mimi Rogers rocks. What I didn't love was
the way Scully changed as a result, or the way fans demonised her - quite
unnecessarily, IMO. Wanting characters A and B together doesn't necessarily
make Character C, who loves B, a bitch. And Character C being sympathetic
(and IMO Diana *was* sympathetic onscreen) doesn't reduce the validity of
whatever might be between Characters A and B. I thought Diana was strong,
compassionate, and gutsy. What's not to like?
> 16. Character deaths.
Characters die. It's a fact of TV life. My quibble is with how it's done,
not whether it's done. Krycek's death was handled horribly - IMO, Krycek,
Mulder and Skinner were all reduced as characters by that scene.
> 17. Standalones versus mythology eps.
Like 'em both, but would like mythology more if not for the
replicant/supersoldiers arc.
> 18. Variety of aliens.
Variety is the spice of life. I'd like a bit more sense of how they fit
together, though.
Cheers! Deslea
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> changed our perspective on any of them. Which ones still push
> your hot button? Which ones do you have a different opinion
> about now? Weigh in with your opinions pro and con. Feel free
> to respond to different controversies in separate posts in this
> thread. Feel free to add a controversy I omitted.
>
> 1. The show move from Friday night to Sunday night.
On a personal level, I could post till I dropped if the show was
on Friday and not have to worry about work the next day. But
from a business perspective, I can see why it was a really good
idea to move the show to Sunday. It doesn't matter to me what
night the show is on now. I don't watch anything else regularly
anymore.
> 2. The show move from Vancouver to Los Angeles.
I was really hot about this all through Seasons 6 and 7. Whether
it meant less money to do the big eps I liked because it costs
more to do the show in LA or because they were unable to capture
the correct mood of the show to match the kind of stories I liked
with that cheery sunshine, this was a biggie for me. Also, I'm
not 100 percent unsure that XF lite wasn't a game plan to go
along with the new cheery visual imagery and/or a budget that
didn't stretch as far. I'm okay with how the show looks now but
I still miss the big costly mytharc adventures.
> 3. Mulder/Scully Romance.
UST works for about 3 - 4 TV seasons and then people expect a
payoff. But then after the payoff, you're left with a boring,
"they may as well be married" predictible TV couple and schmoop.
I don't even want to talk about this. I just want it to go away.
> 4. X-Files Lite (humorous/comedic/lite eps)
I like continuous humorous banter between partners, maybe one
humorous ep a season. That's it.
> 5. Giving Scully children - Emily and/or William.
Didn't like the idea of Emily. Don't know where they're going
with William. Not keen on Scully the mother stories.
> 6. DD/GA interviews about the show.
Stop whining in the press.
> 7. GA's salary.
Get a good business agent and stop whining in the press.
> 8. The Samantha ending.
The Redux II ending while not a happy one was more dramatically
satisfying than the starlight ending.
> 9. Scully's cancer arc.
Excellent. It humanized Mulder, made him less self-absorbed.
> 10. Morgan and Wong returning for the beginning of Season 4 after
> being gone for Season 3.
They gumped CSM and TFWID... But for those that weren't around
then, the controversy was that perception that they neglected to
find out what happened they year they were gone before they
plunged back into Season 4.
> 11. CSM is/isn't Mulder's father.
Don't care.
> 12. Re-signing DD to do 6 episodes in Season 8.
Requiem should have been his swan song, if not, should have been
in the first 6 eps to allow the show a natural transition.
> 13. Adding Robert Patrick to the show in Season 8 to play
> Scully's new partner.
Best thing to happen to the show since S4.
> 14. The X-Files syndicated on FX.
Don't like this. But don't care much now.
> 15. Diana Fowley.
A non-character.
> 16. Character deaths.
Didn't like CSM's death. Think it should have been splashier.
> 17. Standalones versus mythology eps.
I like the mythology eps but if they could capture the non-alien
elements (recurring characters, conflict, conspiracies) in
standalones, I'd like them the same.
> 18. Variety of aliens.
Tired of this.
Laura
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Jewlz!
>"Jewlz!" <je...@vnet.net> wrote in message::::::
>> laura capozzola wrote in message :::::
>> >Let's revisit some old X-Files controversies and see if time has
>> >changed our perspective on any of them. Which ones still push
>> >your hot button? Which ones do you have a different opinion
>> >about now? Weigh in with your opinions pro and con. Feel free
>> >to respond to different controversies in separate posts in this
>> >thread. Feel free to add a controversy I omitted.
>
><snip>
>
>> >12. Re-signing DD to do 6 episodes in Season 8.
>>
>>
>> I guess I liked it. '3 Words' and 'Vienen' and 'Empedocles' and 'Alone'
>were
>> some great M/ D interactions and I wanted to see more. They play off each
>> other nicely. Heck, Mulder plays off anyone nicely. I miss him. <weep>
>>
>> And as for M/ S interactions, the reunion was great but I feel like there
>> was a lot going on behind-the-scenes and the audience missed it. They
>didn't
>> have enough time together.
>>
>> But that last M/S scene was just sweet. :D
>
>Sacharine. ;-/
Ha! You think you are so funny, you dipper you! ;-)
>spookycc
>
>"We are SHODDS. Noromos will be assimilated.
>Shippers will be eliminated. Resistance is futile."
Oh really?? I'm taking that as a threat! Bring it on! :D
Liz Wallace
wrote:
>Liz Wallace wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 08 Dec 2001 14:53:06 -0500, Anna <santo....@sympatico.ca>
>> wrote:
>> >Liz Wallace wrote:
>> >> <snip>
>> >> In fact, I saw lots more in
>> >> Duchovny's performance that indicated that Mulder thought the baby was
>> >> someone else's.
>> >It wasn't just in David's performance. It was evident in the words the
>> >writers put in his mouth.
>> Yeah, well, that too. The whole thing, even down to the way the
>> scenes were staged, just screamed that Mulder was totally bewildered
>> by the pregnancy. I know a lot of people hated it, but I thought it
>> was consistent with Mulder's character.
>
>To not know whether he could have fathered a child when he was having sex with
>its mother? Or that he didn't come out and ask her?
>
I don't think he was *having sex with* Scully, but even if he was, he
thought she couldn't get pregnant by that means.
It was also consistent that he didn't ask who the father was. He
initially acted like he didn't know how long he had been gone. He
acted like he assumed that she got pregnant somehow after he was gone
-- in other words that she went ahead with her plan to have a child
after he was abducted. He seemed both confused and hurt. He acted as
if he thought it wasn't his place to ask. This is consistent with the
characterization we saw of both Mulder and Scully in Per Manum.
>> >> >12. Re-signing DD to do 6 episodes in Season 8.
>> >> BAD mistake. But it's not like they could have known how freakin'
>> >> impossible it would be to write around those appearances.
>> >How so? Do you think having DD in 6 episodes actually hurt the show?
>> Yes. Had DD not been contracted to appear in S8, there would have
>> been no brain disease, no IVF attempt, no scenes of alien torture, no
>> exhumation and return from the dead, no lame jokes about dalliance
>> with the pizza man. Most or all of the retro-storytelling that
>> people complain about would probably not have happened without DD in
>> S8.
>
>I agree completely. It was very bad story-telling which is why I'm baffled by
>people who believe Season 8 is second only to Season 2 in quality.
>
Well, I'm baffled why people condemn a whole season based on a few
clinker plot points. Every season has those. Every season has a few
stinky episodes. My opinion is that S8 had only 2 stinky episodes,
and a few clinker plot points. It also introduced a new character in
an interesting and exciting way, and had at least 8 good, solid,
entertaining stand-alone eps.
I think unfounded criticism of S8 as a whole has its basis in two
things. First, a number of people were still deeply attached to
Mulder, and were watching the season primarily to see how he was
written out of the series. Whether they intended to or not, their
focus was on the Mulder episodes, which, for reasons I've already
touched on, happened to contain most of the bad plot points. There
were plenty of good episodes, but many fans watched those with the
attitude of, "Okay, fine, now...what about Mulder? Let's get back to
Mulder." I think this is proven when we hear fans who are watching
the FX reruns, saying about the S8 stand-alones, "Hey, these eps are
not as bad as I remembered." Second, there is a handful of extremely
vocal DD fans who would not have admitted to liking one single thing
about the season no matter what, and have panned it relentlessly
(while claiming not to have watched it.) They were somewhat
successful in repeating the "S8 sucked" and "XF sucks without DD"
mantras enough that they practically became conventional wisdom.
>> If DD had not been contracted to appear in S8, the season could have
>> been structured to move forward with the new characters.
>
>Like they're going to do this season?
>
Yes.
>> I have heard
>> over and over how people feel Doggett's character was not developed
>> well in S8. That is because they spent time showing us flashbacks of
>> stuff that happened a year ago to a character who we all knew would
>> soon be gone for good.
>
>I don't think so. There were 20 (or was it 22) episodes in total. Lots and
>lots of time to develop a character if that had been their intention. In fact
>it could be argued that Doggett's character was more effectively developed in
>the episodes in which David was present than in most of the remaining MOTW's.
>
I just think it has to do with how much people were paying attention.
There was plenty of Doggett character development in the MOTWs. A lot
of people just didn't find it interesting enough to register because
they were so focused on when they would next see Mulder. Which goes
back to my original point of why I think it was bad for the show that
DD returned for limited eps in S8.
Liz W.
BlueRadley
<snip>
> > 14. The X-Files syndicated on FX.
>
> Don't like this. But don't care much now.
?
BlueRadley
"The first time I saw you
Standing in the street
You were so cool you could have
Put out Vietnam"
parismom
BlueRadley wrote:
>
> "laura capozzola" <laur...@erols.com> wrote in message
> news:3C1368B6...@erols.com...
> <snip>
>
> > > 14. The X-Files syndicated on FX.
> >
> > Don't like this. But don't care much now.
>
> ?
!
--
Things I learned from my Dad:
1. As people get older, they don't change; they become moreso.
2. If something's wrong, and it can be fixed with money, it's not that
bad.
3. You can't go wrong doing the right thing.
Mox Fulder
> 1. The show move from Friday night to Sunday night.
It was dumb, and those who claim this move increased the ratings don't
know how to read.
> 2. The show move from Vancouver to Los Angeles.
Didn't help one bit. The atmosphere was gone, the production cost went up,
and the production values went down.
> 3. Mulder/Scully Romance.
There isn't one. Not the kind most people think, anyway.
> 4. X-Files Lite (humorous/comedic/lite eps)
At least two different kinds. The good (Humbug) and the bad (How the
Ghosts...). And I'm not talking about quality, but intent. The difference
between laughing with and laughing at.
> 5. Giving Scully children - Emily and/or William.
Very different cases. Emily was not a child by choice. Mulder and Scully
were on a mission in life that demanded many sacrifices, and "domestic
bliss" was one of them.
> 6. DD/GA interviews about the show.
Practically all the background info and actors' issues should be kept
private, at least until the end of the series.
> 7. GA's salary.
See above.
> 8. The Samantha ending.
Poison.
> 9. Scully's cancer arc.
A significant life-changing situation done well.
> 10. Morgan and Wong returning for the beginning of Season 4 after
> being gone for Season 3.
Their earlier contributions will always be far more significant.
> 11. CSM is/isn't Mulder's father.
Lame from the beginning.
> 12. Re-signing DD to do 6 episodes in Season 8.
Plain stupid, even worse handled.
> 13. Adding Robert Patrick to the show in Season 8 to play
> Scully's new partner.
i.e., to replace Mulder. If you want to kill the show, that's how you do
it.
> 14. The X-Files syndicated on FX.
Better than other kinds of syndication.
> 15. Diana Fowley.
Annoying.
> 16. Character deaths.
The Deep Throat type, or the Pendrell type?
> 17. Standalones versus mythology eps.
It's not "or," it's "and."
> 18. Variety of aliens.
Up until s6/7, misleading. Since then, just an obvious sign they don't
know or care what they're doing or where they're going.
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http://www.turning-pages.com/xf101/ X-Files 101
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spookycc
> spookycc wrote in message ...:::::
> >"Jewlz!" <je...@vnet.net> wrote in message::::::
> >> laura capozzola wrote in message :::::
> >> >Let's revisit some old X-Files controversies and see if time has
> >> >changed our perspective on any of them. Which ones still push
> >> >your hot button? Which ones do you have a different opinion
> >> >about now? Weigh in with your opinions pro and con. Feel free
> >> >to respond to different controversies in separate posts in this
> >> >thread. Feel free to add a controversy I omitted.
> >
> ><snip>
> >
> >> >12. Re-signing DD to do 6 episodes in Season 8.
> >>
> >>
> >> I guess I liked it. '3 Words' and 'Vienen' and 'Empedocles' and 'Alone'
> >were
> >> some great M/ D interactions and I wanted to see more. They play off
each
> >> other nicely. Heck, Mulder plays off anyone nicely. I miss him. <weep>
> >>
> >> And as for M/ S interactions, the reunion was great but I feel like
there
> >> was a lot going on behind-the-scenes and the audience missed it. They
> >didn't
> >> have enough time together.
> >>
> >> But that last M/S scene was just sweet. :D
> >
> >Sacharine. ;-/
>
>
> Ha! You think you are so funny, you dipper you! ;-)
I *really* hate the term "Dipper". I much prefer "Doggshipper". ;-)
> >spookycc
> >
> >"We are SHODDS. Noromos will be assimilated.
> >Shippers will be eliminated. Resistance is futile."
>
>
> Oh really?? I'm taking that as a threat! Bring it on! :D
Oh, yeah? Whatt're you gonna do? Snuggle me to death? ;-p
spookycc
"Who's coming?" Doggett starts. "The flying ships," Garza says. Doggett
rolls his eyes. Welcome to the Mytharc, Jawn. Now you know how we
-Mr Intensity Issue 5
KatieMoo
> Let's revisit some old X-Files controversies and see if time has
> changed our perspective on any of them. Which ones still push
> your hot button? Which ones do you have a different opinion
> about now? Weigh in with your opinions pro and con. Feel free
> to respond to different controversies in separate posts in this
> thread. Feel free to add a controversy I omitted.
>
>
>
would have been a pain in the ass for me to watch on Friday nights during
high school.
> 2. The show move from Vancouver to Los Angeles.
>
I think they made too many sun-lit south-western-set eps at the beginning of
S6. It felt like they were rubbing it in, and that kinda sucked. But now I
don't even notice, you know.
> 3. Mulder/Scully Romance.
>
:P
> 4. X-Files Lite (humorous/comedic/lite eps)
>
S6 was too strong in them, which I think contributed to S6 not being as good
as the previous seasons in many views. I like them, I loved Darin Morgan,
right, but too many too close to each other is bad, and when you do too many
you start getting stupid and campy. I think it still holds that The Rain
King is my least favorite ep, even in light of FPS and HAD. ;P
> 5. Giving Scully children - Emily and/or William.
>
Love Emily, hate William.
> 6. DD/GA interviews about the show.
>
It kinda spoils it for me now to hear GA say she wishes the show would end,
and the whole DD lawsuit thing, too, because I have this feeling that I
think GA and DD should be as big fans of the show as I am, and I think they
should support the show/CC endlessly. :D
> 7. GA's salary.
>
I think she deserved equivalent salary by that point. *shrug*.
> 8. The Samantha ending.
>
<rolls eyes>
> 9. Scully's cancer arc.
>
Lovelovelovelovelove it. Ooooh, man. Damn, I wish she would get cancer
again, sometimes. ;D Memento Mori and Gethsemane/Redux/II are just
fantastic. I loved it.
> 10. Morgan and Wong returning for the beginning of Season 4 after
> being gone for Season 3.
>
*shrug* They were? That's before my time.
> 11. CSM is/isn't Mulder's father.
>
It was fun to conjecture about, but not so much a controversy in my mind.
> 12. Re-signing DD to do 6 episodes in Season 8.
>
eehh...Maybe they should have just let him go, but at the time I just
though, well, fuck, I want him for the whole thing. But I think it worked
out well enough.
> 13. Adding Robert Patrick to the show in Season 8 to play
> Scully's new partner.
>
I was slightly wary, and now I think it's peachy. :D
> 14. The X-Files syndicated on FX.
>
Sucked at the time 'cause I didn't have FX, now I loooooove it, even though
I don't have FX at college. and I didn't watch it much at home, I just like
*knowing* that it's on every night. :D
> 15. Diana Fowley.
>
Ooooooh, hate her, hate her, wouldn't want to date her. I think they fucked
with her, though. She had a lot of evil!potential.
> 16. Character deaths.
>
Pendrell's fucked me up. I don't want to believe that CSM is dead.
Um...Who else is d...oh. I cry everytime I see Existence for Krycek. That
was just plain wrong.
> 17. Standalones versus mythology eps.
>
I love the mytharc, but when motws are good, they're real good.
> 18. Variety of aliens.
>
I got confused a lot. Lord Kinbote's still the best. ;D
Katie
--
"Vultures are protected by law, so you can't kill them, even though they
will eat your child. It's true!" -- Tori Amos
KatieMoo
"Jen (is not a potato)" <jenn...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:s1v51ukhnpn47f314...@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 8 Dec 2001 11:45:12 -0500, the pandering "Jewlz!"
> <je...@vnet.net> fawned:
>
>
> >Here we go. Ok, being a M/S shipper is kinda hard now without Mulder
around.
> >It's like being on a ship without a motor.
>
> Like Columbus? Or Vasco De Gama? Or Sir Frances Drake?
>
Okay, Columbus and De Gama were *totally* shippers, but now way was Drake.
He's a pitchfork man if I've ever seen one. :D
KatieMoo
<snip>
> > 3. Mulder/Scully Romance.
>
> I don't even want to talk about this. I just want it to go away.
>
ITAWTP. ;D
laura capozzola
>
> "laura capozzola" <laur...@erols.com> wrote in message
> news:3C1368B6...@erols.com...
> <snip>
>
> > > 14. The X-Files syndicated on FX.
> >
> > Don't like this. But don't care much now.
>
> ?
I was one of the last people to get FX so I whined about it for a
long time. Now I have FX and can't see The X-Files because I'm
not home from work in time to catch the 5PM show and I'm asleep
before the one that starts at 1AM. So, now I have FX and don't
watch it at all. I'd rather see The X-Files syndicated on TNT or
USA like Law & Order is. The show runs on NBC and within 2 weeks
you are seeing the same show on USA/TNT (can't remember which one
it is). They do that for all 3 Law & Order shows and NBC
apparently retains the rights to re-run the current year's shows,
too.
laura capozzola
> > 1. The show move from Friday night to Sunday night.
>
> It may have been a good idea initially, but the network just pre-empted the
> show way too much this year and last year. They screwed around with the fans
> and their expectations, and the payoff was light. Add to that the lack of
> re-runs during the "summer" period, and you've got people thinking that the
> show has been cancelled for Pete's sake.
I agree. Plus, The X-Files was underpromoted this summer. No
one from 1013 went to the TV Critics Association meeting.
Virtually no magazine or newspaper articles and then when they
did, they promoted Lucy Lawless' appearance...a guest character.
The icing on the cake was showing a baby promo during the World
Series. Not that 24 fared any better from all the hype that show
got before it started. I read somewhere how much it cost to hype
24. I don't remember the dollar number but I remember thinking
it was an astronomical money amount.
The late start was not a problem when The X-Files was competing
against movies, quiz shows and specials but for cryin' out loud,
The X-Files was going up against 2 other new dramas this season
that were starting 5 and 6 weeks before The X-Files premiered.
And then, 1013 bypasses the annual beginning of the season chat
with us...No one can convince me that people with the power to do
something about it didn't give up on this show before the season
even started.
Jewlz!
Ok, Doggshipper! :)
> > >spookycc
> > >
> > >"We are SHODDS. Noromos will be assimilated.
> > >Shippers will be eliminated. Resistance is futile."
> >
> >
> > Oh really?? I'm taking that as a threat! Bring it on! :D
>
> Oh, yeah? Whatt're you gonna do? Snuggle me to death? ;-p
You are so mean to me..... <goes to cry in the corner> ;)
-Jewlz!-
spookycc
"Jewlz!" <jewl...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8aa76c44.01120...@posting.google.com...
Aw, shucks. Unless yer cryin' about our man Doggett in 4D, stop
the tears. ;-)
You know I love ya, even if you *are* a Shipper. <wg>
spookycc
Rejected Typing, 4D:
Reyes: Maybe when you followed Lukesh into this world, '*my* Doggett was
forced out.
Doggett: Good - if I stay, I can be '*Scully's* Doggett, then.
--spookycc
J2rider
Emily was OK because she died before taking over Dana's life.
>>>>>>.
Did Emily really die?
J2rider
I hate standalones because regular characters never die in standalones.
Corrollary#1: you know the heroes will come out of any peril without any
repercussions.>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Leonard Betts?!
J2rider
MILL crossover