The Best Character
Haggis is Good.
:Let's have a debate....,
:Who is the best Star Trek character, (that includes every character ever to
:apear in any episode of the 4 series), and why?
This is a very unclear topic. But, I'll give two answers to fit both.
The best Star Trek "character" is definately Kes. She was an intreguing
character, with a lot of differences, and a lot of potential. It was too bad
she was cast into the "beautiful girl" role by Jennifer Lien.
The best Star Trek character overall, has to be Tasha Yar, the epitomy of
gender equality and the first rough, tough departure from the "Hi... I'm
just a girl" persona that Trek has had in the past (though admittantly, more
gender equal than any otehr show). Denise crosby played the character well
because she herself carried that persona.
I know, both of them are female, so I'll add a guy, just to make things
fair, though most of the guys on Trek aren't very good actors on the small
screen. Most would, and do do better on the stage. Notably, Pat Stewart and
Avery Brooks. they are definetly not meant for the small or big screen.
The best male Star Trek characte roverall is Miles O'Brien. Colm Meaney
brings a very developed idea into his creation, a hard working, middle
class -esque, working man. He is very down to Earth and homey, with street
smarts (or in this case, space smarts). He knows who his enemies and firends
are and is able to carry a joke as well as be joked with. Miles has a family
life, with the same troubles and happiness that real families do. Colm
brings all this into Miles O'Brien, as he does to most of his other roles,
especially his Irish films, where he also plays a working man. He obviously
knows what he's doing, and does it well, though a departure from this type
of acting would be nice.
Andrew Curry
Who is the best Star Trek character, (that includes every character ever to
apear in any episode of the 4 series), and why?
Personally my vote goes for Weyoun because of the way he can give the 'We're
all friends here' friendly face but can also be quite nasty and evil when
necessary.
What are your thoughts on the best character and why?
Andrew Curry
and...@clara.net
tammy
for his crew is what shows his humanity
.
Graham Brack
I have six or seven, I will outline why I like them:
Nog: He's perhaps my favourite. I like the Nog storylines and he
handles his role well at all times. Nog is likeable and has a sense of
humour. He also breaks with tradition with is an interesting
storyline-generator.
Chekov: Played by one of my favourite actors. I think perhaps he was
best in the even-numbered Star Treks where he was given the largest
role. Chekov has humourous elements to him but without doubt, his best
appearance was Star Trek II: TWOK.
Kurn: Kurn is harder to explain. Todd did a good job in portraying
this character. I think I liked him best in the ep. where Worf wanted
to help his brother commit suicide. I am looking forward to Klingon
Honour Guard in which Todd appears.
EMH II: Although he has only made one appearance, Andy Dick shined in
the role. The EMH II SHOULD be incorporated into the next Star Trek
series in my opinion - even if only a recurring character.
Weyoun: Same reasons as Curry.
Dukat: I liked his performance in Waltz - can't say more without
spoiling it for people without the video or who aren't in the States
(who have seen it).
Garak: I love how quickly he can change - he's one of the best along
with Chekov and Nog in my opinion.
Dangermouse
Andrew Curry <and...@clara.net> wrote in article
<6qg63r$5qu$1...@eros.clara.net>...
> Let's have a debate....,
> Who is the best Star Trek character, (that includes every character ever
to
> apear in any episode of the 4 series), and why?
Jean-Luc Picard: well rounded character, great actor.
Runners Up: Odo, Quark, Khan, Q, Dukat, Garak, Spock...
John Ford
>
> Let's have a debate....,
> Who is the best Star Trek character, (that includes every character ever to
> apear in any episode of the 4 series), and why?
>
> all friends here' friendly face but can also be quite nasty and evil when
> necessary.
>
> What are your thoughts on the best character and why?
I'd vote for Data.<
I know the puppet/robot/fairy/whatever who wants to be human is an
old literary device, dating back at least to Pinoccio, but I thought TNG
presented some of the most provocative twists on the story I've seen in
science fiction.
I'd also rate Picard, Sisko and Garak among my favorites.
And a special vote for the mirror-universe Kira as the sexiest woman
in Star Trek -- she's a hell of a lot kinkier than 6 of 1 or whatever her
name is.
Joe
>Let's have a debate....,
>Who is the best Star Trek character, (that includes every character ever to
>apear in any episode of the 4 series), and why?
Spock, for all the obvious reasons.
>Personally my vote goes for Weyoun
That's just silly, he's a cartoon cardboard cutout.
Joe
Scott Page
<and...@clara.net> writes
>Let's have a debate....,
>Who is the best Star Trek character, (that includes every character ever to
>apear in any episode of the 4 series), and why?
TOS - James T. Kirk
To start of with, the quality of Shatners acting, i think i must be
one of the few who think this, and also the passion and personnal
conficts portrayed within Kirk when dealing with some of the many
dilemmas to which he was faced. He was a man of power, and that
power was derived from his relationships with his friends..
He knew when to draw the line between duty and doing what is
right (or wrong). The Klingons and Romulans feared and respected
him, he was no puppet for Starfleet, and the ladies loved him..
He would have thrown Wesley of the bridge after five seconds,
given Dr Crusher what she really wanted, had Troy sitting on his
knee where-ever possible, knocked out Ryker of questioning his
judgement/orders, transferred Geordie to Corridor Cleaning Dept
and got a real Chief Engineer (Scotty), tell Data to shut the fuck up
and to speak when spoken to, and then spend most of his spare time
getting pissed with, and then getting into fights with Worf...
TNG - The Borg
I guess i can have the Borg as a character can't i???
"We are one" ect ect.... What can i say, i still see them as the
ultimate bad guys....There's no reasoning with them, kill them or be
assimilated....
DS9 - The Cardassian Tailor guy
I've only watched about 5-10 episodes of DS9 and this guy
seems to be a really interesting character, is he good/bad,
trustworthy/untrustworthy, ya just don't know!!!
Voy - The Doc
Brilliant actor, his facial expressions are a joy to behold, along
with his ongoing "why me?" sort of comments...
His ongoing developement as a active crew-member and it has to be
said that the writers of the series have done the actor and the part
justice... I think it was Alli who said how funny the interaction with
the upgraded EMH was , and i have to agree..
To me the most interesting plot would be what would happen to Doc
if/when Voyager gets home..
Scott Page - d...@lingards1.demon.co.uk
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Lisa Simpson
David Johnston
> :Who is the best Star Trek character, (that includes every character ever to
> :apear in any episode of the 4 series), and why?
>
>
> The best Star Trek "character" is definately Kes. She was an intreguing
> character, with a lot of differences, and a lot of potential. It was too bad
> she was cast into the "beautiful girl" role by Jennifer Lien.
>
> The best Star Trek character overall, has to be Tasha Yar, the epitomy of
> gender equality and the first rough, tough departure from the "Hi... I'm
> just a girl" persona that Trek has had in the past (though admittantly, more
> gender equal than any otehr show). Denise crosby played the character well
> because she herself carried that persona.
Frankly I was never convinced for a moment that Yar was tough. You seem
to be judging these characters solely on their potential without paying
any attention to how that potential was used and expressed in actuality.
David Johnston
> > Let's have a debate....,
> > Who is the best Star Trek character, (that includes every character ever
> to
> > apear in any episode of the 4 series), and why?
>
I don't approve of Picard. He's got a great actor, but he wasn't a good
captain and many of his mistakes weren't for the purposes of drama.
>
> Runners Up: Odo, Quark, Khan, Q, Dukat, Garak, Spock...
My favourite would have to be the Romulan Captain in "Balance of Terror"
who bore such an uncanny resemblance to Sarek. Another favourite would
be Ro, if only because she thought that the Enterprise was better than
jail, or Jellico just for being an island of competence in a sea of
idiocy.
Laurinda Chamberlin
>Haggis is Good. wrote:
>>
>> Andrew Curry wrote in message <6qg63r$5qu$1...@eros.clara.net>...
>> :Let's have a debate....,
>> :Who is the best Star Trek character, (that includes every character ever to
>> :apear in any episode of the 4 series), and why?
[...]
>> The best Star Trek character overall, has to be Tasha Yar, the epitomy of
>> gender equality and the first rough, tough departure from the "Hi... I'm
>> just a girl" persona that Trek has had in the past (though admittantly, more
>> gender equal than any otehr show). Denise crosby played the character well
>> because she herself carried that persona.
>Frankly I was never convinced for a moment that Yar was tough. [...]
I agree. I never forgave her for blubbering to Picard about how scared
she was in the middle of a crisis. *This* is the Enterprise security
officer? :P
--
Laurinda She walked by herself, and
all places were alike to her.
Laurinda Chamberlin
>Let's have a debate....,
>Who is the best Star Trek character, (that includes every character ever to
>apear in any episode of the 4 series), and why?
>Personally my vote goes for Weyoun because of the way he can give the 'We're
>all friends here' friendly face but can also be quite nasty and evil when
>necessary.
>What are your thoughts on the best character and why?
Garak -- charming, chilling, dispassionate, passionate, witty, intelligent,
cultured, cruel, kind, clearsighted, guilt-ridden, subversive, patriotic --
and somehow this ultimate in polytropism is integrated very credibly into a
believable person. It's a huge credit to the writers and the actor that
this works so well. One of the best things about him is how effective he
is in drawing the audience into the moral dilemmas posed in the show
by breaking the rules they have come to rely on. His motives in episodes
such as "Broken Link" and "In the Pale Moonlight" appear patriotic rather
than personal, so they are not entirely devoid of moral content, but it's
not the kind of patriotism a lot of us can be comfortable with, yet neither
is it something that can be entirely dismissed. DS9 at its most provocative.
Eric Lukoff
TOS: Yeoman Officer Yanice Rand - When she was there, she really showed
a side of the show you never saw before. Especially in ST:VI
TNG: Data (Alexander, Worf [together]) - Data always brought out
everyone's human side and for that I award him! (Alexander and Worf episodes
were always classics from the moment they came out because you got to see
Worf's soft side.)
DS9: Nog - He is the absolute best actor on DS9 and he should become a
major character for the seventh season. ALL of his episodes and subplots
were good, PLUS he was on board from Emissary. He kept Quark on the station.
VOY: Tom Paris - He brings out the daring side of the show and I think
that the relationship with B'Elanna is great and should continue (Maybe even
a baby and marriage.)
AND NOW, MY ABSOLUTE FAVORITE~~~~~~: The Doctor - Well, he is not only just
such a funny character, but his plots and uniqueness really makes the show
(along with everyone else) a success. 3 Cheers for the doc in blue! (I
especially loved his line in "The Killing game" when the kligons were
fighting the Nazis and the doc cheered them on by saying, "Kaplah, kaplah."
I laughed hysterically all night.)
David Johnston
>
> "Andrew Curry" <and...@clara.net> wrote:
>
> >Let's have a debate....,
> >Who is the best Star Trek character, (that includes every character ever to
> >apear in any episode of the 4 series), and why?
>
Oh...right! Forgot. Yes, Spock is the best character, I agree.
>
> >Personally my vote goes for Weyoun
>
Nick Hazel
funny, sexy, real, completely capable woman my age on TV. I feel like I lost
both my sister and my mentor. I miss her.
The Doctor...dry wit, isn't afraid to say what's so, is the only charactor to
constantly poke fun at everyone else. Got the keys to the car with his emitter
and never looked back. He went from a cardboard cutout to a search for self to
the confidence to lead. I wonder what he'll finally name himself...?
Seven, although it took me months to stop looking at her corset. Anarchy with
goals--if the order's wrong, she'll do what she needs to do. She knows
everything about everything, and doesn't minimize or apologize for her strength.
All Klingons. Honor is a quality humans lack. What would Earth look like if we
honored our families and friends and neighbors and strangers instead of fearing
them or hating them?
Sisko, for all the reasons everyone else mentioned. Brooks has become one of
the finest actors in the business.
To me, these are the characters represent the best aspects of humanity and what
Earth could look like if we let go of our assumptions.
Alicia
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Haggis is Good.
:Frankly I was never convinced for a moment that Yar was tough. You seem
:to be judging these characters solely on their potential without paying
:any attention to how that potential was used and expressed in actuality.
I'll say this again, I'm trying to judge on an open plane, and I wish more
character development was available, especially for Denise Crosby as Tasha
Yar. Yes, she had her weak moments, but this was only the exploratory stage
of character development And, plus, she did portray, and in that fashion, a
different, dare I say genre, of Star Trek female. Instead of the slutty
Orion Slave Girls/Dabo Girls, the "I'm in the back tee-hee smooch my
captain" Uhura, "I feel you" Troi, or "Ha ha giggle giggle tap dance" doctor
Crusher, Yar very convincingly, to me anyway, was able to, in that short
time, establish a base for a very rough, in your face character. That base
is what I'm judging. I refuse to judge the character per se, because it was
too spotty and rough, too much hadn't been established, and we weren't able
to really understand Tasha Yar before Denise decided to leave.
And, as for Kes (Jennifer Lien), I could only judge her by her potential. I
never for a second regarded her with any credit from acting ability. She was
obviously Voyager's "young woman". Except for Dax (Terry Farrell), I have
never enjoyed these characters simply because all they have are looks with
absolutely no character development or acting development. In contrast, in
Dax we have explored her past, her symbiotic culture, her fears, and have
seen a gradual change in her attitude as times change (I don't regard
spending 6 years as a counselor in a tight dress and then 1 year aspiring to
be a bridge officer in a normal uniform a character change, in reference to
Troi, Marina Sirtis)
Ed Tang
: What are your thoughts on the best character and why?
Captain Rachel Garret because she's the best Captain of a starship. She
doesn't hide facts from her crew even facts they don't "need" to know.
She's a good, honest captain that I wouldn't mind the least bit serving
under. She's the best female captain I've seen so far. She seemed to be
the encouraging type of captain and she seemed to listen to her
officers... traits another certain female captain is lacking but that's
another entire thread altogether.
K'Ehleyr though has to come a close second, though, because she's one
kick ass female.
--
Ed Tang
guyl...@postmaster.co.uk
tcw...@netcom.com (Laurinda Chamberlin) wrote:
> "Andrew Curry" <and...@clara.net> writes:
>
> >Let's have a debate....,
> >Who is the best Star Trek character, (that includes every character ever to
> >apear in any episode of the 4 series), and why?
>
> >all friends here' friendly face but can also be quite nasty and evil when
> >necessary.
>
>
> cultured, cruel, kind, clearsighted, guilt-ridden, subversive, patriotic --
> and somehow this ultimate in polytropism is integrated very credibly into a
> believable person. It's a huge credit to the writers and the actor that
> this works so well. One of the best things about him is how effective he
> is in drawing the audience into the moral dilemmas posed in the show
> by breaking the rules they have come to rely on. His motives in episodes
> such as "Broken Link" and "In the Pale Moonlight" appear patriotic rather
> than personal, so they are not entirely devoid of moral content, but it's
> not the kind of patriotism a lot of us can be comfortable with, yet neither
> is it something that can be entirely dismissed. DS9 at its most provocative.
>
> --
> Laurinda She walked by herself, and
> all places were alike to her.
>
I also think Garak is the best; mainly because there's still so much to him
we don't know (and probably never will). I *still* think that he could put a
knife in Bashir's back if the situation called for it...although he'd feel
really really bad about it later...but he'd get over it.
Guy Louis
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Henry
Too bad they made the character omnipotent, though, as it limits the potential
plots than can be used convincingly.
Henry
recook77
>: What are your thoughts on the best character and why?
>
For me it's a tossup between Odo and Kira.
Rob_Rey
>
> In article <6qg63r$5qu$1...@eros.clara.net>, Andrew Curry
> <and...@clara.net> writes
> >Let's have a debate....,
> >Who is the best Star Trek character, (that includes every character ever to
> >apear in any episode of the 4 series), and why?
>
> To start of with, the quality of Shatners acting, i think i must be
> one of the few who think this, and also the passion and personnal
> conficts portrayed within Kirk when dealing with some of the many
> dilemmas to which he was faced. He was a man of power, and that
> power was derived from his relationships with his friends..
> He knew when to draw the line between duty and doing what is
> right (or wrong). The Klingons and Romulans feared and respected
> him, he was no puppet for Starfleet, and the ladies loved him..
> He would have thrown Wesley of the bridge after five seconds,
> given Dr Crusher what she really wanted, had Troy sitting on his
> knee where-ever possible, knocked out Ryker of questioning his
> judgement/orders, transferred Geordie to Corridor Cleaning Dept
> and got a real Chief Engineer (Scotty), tell Data to shut the fuck up
> and to speak when spoken to, and then spend most of his spare time
> getting pissed with, and then getting into fights with Worf...
My choice as well! The infamous, the one and only, James
Tiberius Kirk. (The man was a menace!)
Ah, for the good old days: When the men were men, and the galaxy
was nervous! (and the women wore less!)
Cordially,
RobRey
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My dear dear lord,
The purest treasure mortal times afford is spotless reputation;
That away, men are but guilded loam or painted clay.
A jewel in a ten-times-barred up chest
Is a bold spirit in a loyal breast.
Mine honor is my life; both grow in one;
Take honor from me, and my life is done.
Then, dear my liege, mine honor let me try;
In that I live, and for that will I die.
-Mowbray
William Shakespeare "RICHARD II" 1.1
Scott Page
<and...@clara.net> writes
>Let's have a debate....,
>Who is the best Star Trek character,
Does anyone remember the Starfleet Capt (his name escapes me) in
the mental institute (TOS), he captured Kirk & Spock, and i recall
that he could shape-shift or something. He was good character that
could have been used again....
Rob_Rey
>
> In article <6qg63r$5qu$1...@eros.clara.net>, Andrew Curry
> <and...@clara.net> writes
> >Let's have a debate....,
> >Who is the best Star Trek character,
>
> Just a quick addition, mainly aimed at the older folk here..
> Does anyone remember the Starfleet Capt (his name escapes me) in
> the mental institute (TOS), he captured Kirk & Spock, and i recall
> that he could shape-shift or something. He was good character that
> could have been used again....
Garth of Izar. "WHOM GODS DESTROY"
I liked him too, particularly the shape shifting. I would like
to see him again too.
Steve Christianson
> :Who is the best Star Trek character, (that includes every character ever to
> :apear in any episode of the 4 series), and why?
Picard from STTNG. He could be tough and yet sensitive, cerebral and yet
a humanist, read a good book and yet still enjoy a campy holodeck
detective story. Also, I can't think of enough good things to say about
Patrick Stewart's acting abilities.
Honorable mentions:
(1) Spock from TOS. For it's time, he was such a radically different
conceptualization of what alien life might be like.
(2) Seven of Nine.
Scott Page
<rob...@att.net> writes
> Garth of Izar. "WHOM GODS DESTROY"
> I liked him too, particularly the shape shifting. I would like
>to see him again too.
I remember when he shouted something along the lines of "You
stupid cow!!!" to the green Chick, i nearly fell off the couch the
first time i heard that!! :)
Ben and Sylvia Frier
You do know that it was Mark Lenard that played both parts I hope. He was the "first" actor to portray 3 different aliens in Star Trek. The Romulan Commander in Balance of Terror ......... Sarak in multi shows and series and movies .........and a Klingon Commander in Star Trek the Motion PictureBen
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Sean Derzaph
>
> Scott Page wrote:
> >
> > In article <6qg63r$5qu$1...@eros.clara.net>, Andrew Curry
> > <and...@clara.net> writes
> > >Who is the best Star Trek character, (that includes every character ever to
> > >apear in any episode of the 4 series), and why?
> >
> > To start of with, the quality of Shatners acting, i think i must be
> > one of the few who think this, and also the passion and personnal
> > conficts portrayed within Kirk when dealing with some of the many
> > dilemmas to which he was faced. He was a man of power, and that
> > power was derived from his relationships with his friends..
> > He knew when to draw the line between duty and doing what is
> > right (or wrong). The Klingons and Romulans feared and respected
> > him, he was no puppet for Starfleet, and the ladies loved him..
> > He would have thrown Wesley of the bridge after five seconds,
> > given Dr Crusher what she really wanted, had Troy sitting on his
> > knee where-ever possible, knocked out Ryker of questioning his
> > judgement/orders, transferred Geordie to Corridor Cleaning Dept
> > and got a real Chief Engineer (Scotty), tell Data to shut the fuck up
> > and to speak when spoken to, and then spend most of his spare time
> > getting pissed with, and then getting into fights with Worf...
>
> My choice as well! The infamous, the one and only, James
> Tiberius Kirk. (The man was a menace!)
>
> Ah, for the good old days: When the men were men, and the galaxy
> was nervous! (and the women wore less!)
>
>
> Cordially,
> RobRey
> My dear dear lord,
> The purest treasure mortal times afford is spotless reputation;
> That away, men are but guilded loam or painted clay.
> A jewel in a ten-times-barred up chest
> Is a bold spirit in a loyal breast.
> Mine honor is my life; both grow in one;
> Take honor from me, and my life is done.
> Then, dear my liege, mine honor let me try;
> In that I live, and for that will I die.
> -Mowbray
>
> William Shakespeare "RICHARD II" 1.1
Reliant39
>> Spock, for all the obvious reasons.
>
>Oh...right! Forgot. Yes, Spock is the best character, I agree.
You _*FORGOT*_ Spock??? :-Ţ
Hmm. Best character... I've got a top three thingy here:-
1. Kirk -- Probably one of the best developped characters.
2. Spock and McCoy -- For very obvious reasons.
3. Khan/Soran -- Great villans, I thought, though very different.
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>>Who is the best Star Trek character, (that includes every character ever to
>>apear in any episode of the 4 series), and why?
>
> TOS - James T. Kirk
> To start of with, the quality of Shatners acting, i think i must be
>one of the few who think this,
No, you're not. Count me in, too. It's *a lot* better than Stewart's
screen acting. He just moves as little as possible and keeps saying
everything on a deep monotonous (spell?) voice....
> and also the passion and personnal
>conficts portrayed within Kirk when dealing with some of the many
>dilemmas to which he was faced. He was a man of power, and that
>power was derived from his relationships with his friends..
Yes, in TOS there are *real* friendships that have never been seen
in other Trek series or films without TOS actors. Most "friendships"
in the other Trek is just a little... flat and uninteresting.
> He knew when to draw the line between duty and doing what is
>right (or wrong). The Klingons and Romulans feared and respected
>him, he was no puppet for Starfleet, and the ladies loved him..
Never heard a Klingon say: "Picard is not soft". Never saw women
fall into Picard's arms either. Nor Sisko's. And Janeway,... So, yes,
you're correct here too, IMO.
> He would have thrown Wesley of the bridge after five seconds,
>given Dr Crusher what she really wanted, had Troy sitting on his
>knee where-ever possible, knocked out Ryker of questioning his
>judgement/orders, transferred Geordie to Corridor Cleaning Dept
>and got a real Chief Engineer (Scotty), tell Data to shut the f**k up
>and to speak when spoken to, and then spend most of his spare time
>getting pissed with, and then getting into fights with Worf...
Don't swear uncensored in a NG like this. But yes, Kirk would have
run a tighter and better ship. Though I doubt he would have been so
mild to throw Wesley just off his Bridge, I think he'd be more inclined
to throw him off his ship.
>TNG - The Borg
> I guess i can have the Borg as a character can't i???
> "We are one" ect ect.... What can i say, i still see them as the
>ultimate bad guys....There's no reasoning with them, kill them or be
>assimilated....
Hmm. Borg are... Borg. Like Species 8472 better actually (just saw
"Scorpion, Part I", yesterday) as a large group of villans (even though
Borg are supposidly one mind).
>DS9 - The Cardassian Tailor guy
> I've only watched about 5-10 episodes of DS9 and this guy
>seems to be a really interesting character, is he good/bad,
>trustworthy/untrustworthy, ya just don't know!!!
Garak? He's kina fun, I guess.
>Voy - The Doc
> Brilliant actor, his facial expressions are a joy to behold, along
>with his ongoing "why me?" sort of comments...
> His ongoing developement as a active crew-member and it has to be
>said that the writers of the series have done the actor and the part
>justice... I think it was Alli who said how funny the interaction with
>the upgraded EMH was , and i have to agree..
Yes, the Doctor is probably the best character on Voyager. I especially
enjoy his moments in which he goes into "smug mode" ("Another brilliant
display of my medical prowess"-face, and so on).
> To me the most interesting plot would be what would happen to Doc
>if/when Voyager gets home..
They'd deactivate him. No, I have no idea what'll happen to him.
Obviously. Though I doubt they'll devote a great deal of time on his return.
If Voyager ever returns.
Joe
> TOS - James T. Kirk
> To start of with, the quality of Shatners acting, i think i must be
>one of the few who think this,
No, Shatner somehow lost his abilities, or they didn't translate well
to an older man (or he and his producers resisted naturally aging too
much), but there's no doubt he was a great actor when young.
Joe
Merrick Baldelli
wrote:
>Let's have a debate....,
>Who is the best Star Trek character, (that includes every character ever to
>apear in any episode of the 4 series), and why?
Garak... He's queen of camp. He's the kind of man that
reminds me of what it's like to be a drag queen without having to wear
a dress.. Who else could get away with saying, "the truth is for
those that are unimaginative." (paraphrased), along with a slew of
other equally hysterical and often insightful comments.
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He didn't really loose his abillities, they changed. In the early days of
TOS, he came straight from the stage. I guess that after several years
of screen plays he adjusted to a more milder way of acting.
Still like his acting though. Think he's one Trek greatest. And I also like
his books (well, book, only read one--but more are coming). And... I like...
the way he... *speaks*... too!
Shatner/Kirk haters eat your hearts out... :-Ş
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Joe
>He didn't really loose his abillities, they changed. In the early days of
>TOS, he came straight from the stage. I guess that after several years
>of screen plays he adjusted to a more milder way of acting.
That's an interesting point. His earlier "stage like" acting was
definitely much more powerful. And it's not like he *stinks* now - I
just think he was handled poorly. The first (and biggest) mistake was
no to let him age gracefully, and making him always try to play the
young man.
Joe
Christopher Adams
> To start of with, the quality of Shatners acting, i think i must be
> one of the few who think this,
The very few. I have the utmost respect for William Shatner, and I must say that
his craft has become much more mature in the movies, but -
"There's something on the wing! Some - thing!"
--
Mhac de Bhandia
faranno dei cimiteri le loro cattedrali
e delle citta le vostre tombe.
For the cemeteries will be their cathedrals
And the cities will be your tombs.
Christopher Adams
> Too bad they made the character omnipotent, though, as it limits the potential
> plots than can be used convincingly.
What the hell do you mean, "made"?
Christopher Adams
> Who is the best Star Trek character, (that includes every character ever to
> apear in any episode of the 4 series), and why?
My vote for best male character goes to Captain Benjamin Sisko. He is a capable
leader, a good father, he is smart, resourceful, strong, decisive, and he can be
very scary. He has adjusted well to his role as Emissary, with a tact towards
the Bajoran people that few other Star Trek characters - I'm looking at you, JTK
- could manage. Sisko also gets my vote for best overall character.
The best female character would have to be Kira Nerys. She is intelligent,
passionate, a good fighter, loyal, and balances her professional life and her
personal life in a way that women on television rarely get to do.
Runners-up include Garak - he is just so damn nice, with a kind of
here-let-me-brush-that-dust-off-oops-forgot-I-had-a-knife-
in-that-hand smile.
Picard - after his capture by the Borg and also by the Cardassians in "Chain Of
Command", he developed into an extremely interesting character. Also, Patrick
Stewart is a damn fine actor, one of the best.
Data - towards the end, especially after "Datalore" and the Lore-Borg plot, and
in the movies, although he could have done with less shuddering fright.
Chakotay - mostly potential, as I think it would be interesting to see how a
member of a tribal people would react to life in space.
B'Elanna - Reminds me of me.
Spock - how could you not?
I shall add the disclaimer that I have not yet seen past the end of season four
of DS9 or much of Voyager. Australian tv sucks.
Haggis is Good.
:Chakotay - mostly potential, as I think it would be interesting to see how
a
:member of a tribal people would react to life in space.
I would like to tastefully object to Chakotay. I think he is an abominable
character acted by a low key actor. He doesn't have that glimmer of humanity
that most Star Trek lead characters posess (like Picard, Data, Spock, Sisko,
Dax, Quark, need I go on?). He is an insult to native american society with
his inane rituals, and his constant references to opposing tribal gods, as
well as his ignorance of his own tribe. He consistantly either goes into
full religious mode or into full "there ain't no god so shuddup" mode.
He has no consistancy. And as far as he's acting as a representative of 24th
Century Native American culture, he sucks. He's acting like any other
officer most of the time and then spiritual leader of the Voyagerians (All
hail Kai Chakotay. Your pagh is strong, my comrade) the next.
Julianna Feigl
Am I glad that somebody else feels the same way about that guy! Many
thanks for your elaboration on how stupid that character is... I
couldn't have said it better
Julianna
Reliant39
Sounds okay to me. :-)
Jackie Barnes
wrote:
>Let's have a debate....,
>Who is the best Star Trek character, (that includes every character ever to
>apear in any episode of the 4 series), and why?
>
>Personally my vote goes for Weyoun because of the way he can give the 'We're
>all friends here' friendly face but can also be quite nasty and evil when
>necessary.
>
Those are some of the reasons why *I* love little Weyoun. He's such an
interesting character - and very nice to look at! Also, I just adore
his preciousness...
I love Odo too. He's the 'outsider' who's suffered so much emotional
pain, but survived. I'm so glad he finally got Kira - I ALWAYS wanted
them to be together! What a great time she must be having...
I knew I was going to love Data long before I first saw 'Encounter at
Farpoint' - I'd read so much about him. Lets see - he's cute, clever,
and funny (without actually meaning to be!) He's EXCELLENT when he's
in command! He likes cats, and he's fully functional...
And my childhood fave was, of course... Spockee! I think, what he has
in common with all my other faves is... a certain exoticness!
As for the Trek brats - I like Jake best. He always was a much more
attractive, well-rounded character than Weasley Crusher. Pretty
normal, really! And now he's all grown up, he's rather gorgeous...
BFN
JayBeee
Howie
tammy wrote in message <6qgqup$vi4$1...@news.gate.net>...
>Captain Kirk he's tuff on the outside and soft on the inside
>
Why do I have a sudden craving for Hostess Twinkees?
Christopher Adams
> character acted by a low key actor. He doesn't have that glimmer of humanity
> that most Star Trek lead characters posess (like Picard, Data, Spock, Sisko,
> Dax, Quark, need I go on?). He is an insult to native american society with
> his inane rituals, and his constant references to opposing tribal gods, as
> well as his ignorance of his own tribe. He consistantly either goes into
> full religious mode or into full "there ain't no god so shuddup" mode.
>
> He has no consistancy. And as far as he's acting as a representative of 24th
> Century Native American culture, he sucks. He's acting like any other
> officer most of the time and then spiritual leader of the Voyagerians (All
> hail Kai Chakotay. Your pagh is strong, my comrade) the next.
Well, I won't make any comment on this - I really haven't seen past season one,
as I mentioned later in my original message.
However, I do believe that the implication is that Chakotay is from the Native
American planet in Cardassian space seen in "Journey's End." While that episode
was being filmed, the intention was to use real-life Native American terms for
the culture depicted - but after their advisors expressed a fear of
misrepresentation, they were changed to generic, fictional terms.
Thus, unless it has been contradicted in Voyager (and I repeat, I am far behind)
I don't see how Chakotay could be a "traitor" to his society if all of his
rituals, beliefs, et cetera, are fictional.
As for his "contradictions" - faith and philosophy can't fill every moment of
your waking life. Perhaps Chakotay just knows when spiritual concerns aren't
useful.
Dangermouse
Christopher Adams <ad...@comcen.com.au> wrote
> However, I do believe that the implication is that Chakotay is from the
Native
> American planet in Cardassian space seen in "Journey's End." While that
episode
> was being filmed, the intention was to use real-life Native American
terms for
> the culture depicted - but after their advisors expressed a fear of
> misrepresentation, they were changed to generic, fictional terms.
That's probably what was originally intended, but later episodes have
proved him to be from Earth, IIRC
Sandra James
that, I watch one of the shows and I think *Wow* about one of the
characters. On a different occasion I'd pick someone else.
I like Garak very much, that role is just so well made *and* well
played, I just have to like it.
Of course, one of my all-time favourites will *always* be Spock.
I would have liked to see episodes centering on Uhura and Chekov, who
never really had the chance to show what great potential is in their
roles.
But these are only a few, actually I could say something I like on
every single main-character in the show, and as I said, next day my
favourites may be quite different.
Mene sakkhet ur-seveh (Live long and prosper),
T'Reija (Sandra James)
Intelligence Officer
USS Fearless
Haggis is Good.
:That's probably what was originally intended, but later episodes have
:proved him to be from Earth, IIRC
Reference the 2nd Season premiere episode "The 37s". There, he talks about
his dreams of swimming in the Gulf of Mexico again as his inspiration to go
home.
Lars Ormberg
> Chakotay - mostly potential, as I think it would be interesting to see how a
> member of a tribal people would react to life in space.
It would be. The chances of Chakotay still belonging to a "tribal
people" are slim to none though.
Assuming the NA reservation system is finally defunct by the 24th
century, Chakotay would no more belong to a tribal people than a
resident of downtown London. As in, both of their ancestors were
tribal...but they aren't.
> I shall add the disclaimer that I have not yet seen past the end of season four
> of DS9
No "Profit and Lace". Was "Looking for Parmach..." a fifth season
episode? In that case, none of it either.
> or much of Voyager.
No "Threshold"? No "The 37s"?
> Australian tv sucks.
Well....
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Haggis is Good. wrote in message <#9VGzL0x9GA.221@upnetnews05>...
Australia "The 37s" was the season one 'Finale'. Where did it open season
two (because I would be interested in any "missing" eps in Australia) ?
The Key
"If at first you don't succeed, redefine success!"
Haggis is Good.
:Sorry ... just nitpicking maybe, but I am interested to know ..... In
:Australia "The 37s" was the season one 'Finale'. Where did it open season
:two (because I would be interested in any "missing" eps in Australia) ?
In USA... "The 37s" ran on UPN as the premiere of Voyager's second season,
part of their "Dramatically Different Voyager-Nowhere Man" lineup. I know
this without a doubt because I have it on videotape.
Sandra James
> But these are only a few, actually I could say something I like on
> every single main-character in the show, and as I said, next day my
> favourites may be quite different.
Sorry... was a bad evening... I could say something I like on every single main-character
EXCLUDING WEASEL CHRUSHER!!!
Haggis is Good.
:Sorry... was a bad evening... I could say something I like on every single
main-character
:EXCLUDING WEASEL CHRUSHER!!!
I *really* feel sorry for Wil Wheaton though...
He had such a promising career for himself laid out in front to become the
next "River Phoenix-esque" teen idol, and then he had to be cast on Star
Trek...
Now he's doing Love Boat reruns...
One just has to feel what he's going through...
Steve Christianson
>
> Sandra James wrote in message ...
> :Sorry... was a bad evening... I could say something I like on every single
> main-character
> :EXCLUDING WEASEL CHRUSHER!!!
>
> I *really* feel sorry for Wil Wheaton though...
>
> He had such a promising career for himself laid out in front to become the
> next "River Phoenix-esque" teen idol, and then he had to be cast on Star
> Trek...
>
> Now he's doing Love Boat reruns...
From his expanding waistline, I'd say he's consoling himself with a
bucket of chicken a bit too often...
SB Key (No Spam)
Haggis is Good. wrote in message ...
Does anyone (in the light of these comments), have a season guide for
Voyager season 1 on UPN in the States ? I would be interested to compare it
to my video collection at home, then track down the missing eps, or was
season 1 a 19 episode season (assuming caretaker was 2 eps) ......
Also ... can you explain "Nowhere Man" ??? (Sorry, you gotta remember us
Aussies are WAY behind here :) )
The Key
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Neale Bozman
<haggi...@aol.com> writes
>Sandra James wrote in message ...
>:Sorry... was a bad evening... I could say something I like on every single
>main-character
>:EXCLUDING WEASEL CHRUSHER!!!
>
>I *really* feel sorry for Wil Wheaton though...
>
>He had such a promising career for himself laid out in front to become the
>next "River Phoenix-esque" teen idol, and then he had to be cast on Star
>Trek...
>
>Now he's doing Love Boat reruns...
>
>
>
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Haggis is Good.
:
:Does anyone (in the light of these comments), have a season guide for
:Voyager season 1 on UPN in the States ? I would be interested to compare
it
:to my video collection at home, then track down the missing eps, or was
:season 1 a 19 episode season (assuming caretaker was 2 eps) ......
I thought it was 15 episodes. And go to www.startrek.com and click on
Voyager. There's a whole synopsys about each Voyager episode in order.
:Also ... can you explain "Nowhere Man" ??? (Sorry, you gotta remember us
:Aussies are WAY behind here :) )
"Nowhere Man" was a brilliant dramatic series on UPN that followed Star Trek
Voyager in it's second season. It was intuitive and mysterious, but due to
poor ratings, was canned afte rone season. (Think of the whole
"Sentinel-Voyager" ad campaign. Next year it's "Seven Days-Voyager". Seems
every year, Voyager gets a new program next to it and it always falls flat,
except Sentinel)
Sandra James
> Sandra James wrote in message ...
> :Sorry... was a bad evening... I could say something I like on every single
> main-character
> :EXCLUDING WEASEL CHRUSHER!!!
>
> I *really* feel sorry for Wil Wheaton though...
Yes. It wasn't really his fault that the character was crap. I mean, some may
have a different opinion about this, but I do think he acted okay for the
role he had to play. His problem was, he never realized that everybody hated
Weasel Crusher until he was put of the show.
> He had such a promising career for himself laid out in front to become the
> next "River Phoenix-esque" teen idol, and then he had to be cast on Star
> Trek...
>
> Now he's doing Love Boat reruns...
How deep can a human being get... if he's that desperate, I am awfully sorry
for him...
> One just has to feel what he's going through...
>
Mene sakkhet ur-seveh (Live long and prosper),