What does hunger feel like????
Angel29700
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Ok.... Ever since I have began recovery from my anorexia, ( I have gained all
my weight back and this is very distrubing to me b/c I was always heavy to
begin with) I can't feel hunger or when I am full. What does it feel like??
I have no idea at all. I will eat and eat and I don't know when I'm full or
when I should stop. This is really upsetting to me b/c I am continuing to gain
weight.
Also, October 13 will be one year since I was put in the hospital for
anorexia. I weighed very little and I almost died. (I'm 5' 9" ) I keep
thinking to myself, "Why did you have to gain all this horrible weight back?
Why can't you still be skinny? You are a terrible person and you should die."
I think I am using overeating to compensate for these feelings since only one
year ago I almost did die (I wish I had) and I was skinny. I don't know what
to do. I don't want to eat anymore. I want to be dying again.
If anyone can help me, please, please, please email me or post on the board
or whatever. I desperately need someone right now who knows what's going on.
Thanks in advance.
KRISTIN
PAMayer
Generally, when I feel full I start to feel warmer than I had felt. I wish you
the best :)
Luv, Pam
EllaMason
Hi,
I don't know what hunger feels like but I've heard a recovered person describe
it as a kind of internal-scratchy feeling. I don't know fullness, either. The
only way I can tell is to stop after a prescribed about of fo*d and walk around
for a while, to see if I can distract myself from the fo*d long enough to hear
my thoughts, or if I really still need more.
sorry
a
Robin King
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> Ok.... Ever since I have began recovery from my anorexia, ( I have gained all
> my weight back and this is very distrubing to me b/c I was always heavy to
> begin with) I can't feel hunger or when I am full. What does it feel like??
> I have no idea at all. I will eat and eat and I don't know when I'm full or
> when I should stop. This is really upsetting to me b/c I am continuing to gain
> weight.
One possibility is that you are still below your natural weight, or
set-
point. Our bodies like to maintain a certain weight; many of us just
naturally
don't fit the weight charts. And weight charts rarely take human
variation into
account.
If you're below setpoint, you may continue to feel hungry even after a
humongous meal. This is not an uncommon reaction. There was an
experiment done on
healthy males in which they reduced their body weight by a significant
percentage
and they really suffered; they became depressed and very obsessed with
food. When
they were eventually refed, they continued to be hungry no matter how
much they
ate, *until* their bodies got back the fat they (the bodies) needed.
> Also, October 13 will be one year since I was put in the hospital for
> anorexia. I weighed very little and I almost died. (I'm 5' 9" ) I keep
> thinking to myself, "Why did you have to gain all this horrible weight back?
> Why can't you still be skinny? You are a terrible person and you should die."
For many people, 'skinny' is a trap. You want to feel light, but what
you get is weakness and a feeling of heaviness. Fat is a fine substance
to have.
(Gee, does ANYONE on this group believe me? <g>) Women have a greater
percentage
of fat than men do, on average. Women live longer than men do (also on
average).
I don't know if there's a connection, but it certainly isn't hurting.
> I think I am using overeating to compensate for these feelings since only one
> year ago I almost did die (I wish I had) and I was skinny. I don't know what
> to do. I don't want to eat anymore. I want to be dying again.
NOT a good idea. Before you do anything drastic, at least have a couple
of major vents on this board about other stuff going on in your life.
There are
many sympathetic folks here, and chances are somebody is going through
something
similar and can understand. Impose your presence. Be heard.
> If anyone can help me, please, please, please email me or post on the board
> or whatever. I desperately need someone right now who knows what's going on.
> Thanks in advance.
>
> KRISTIN
For folks who don't trust their own appetites, a question: do you think
that having a glucose meter would help? You don't have to be diabetic to
use them.
You could then eat when you spy your blood sugar getting too low. It's
sort of a
food-as-medicine idea. What do y'all think?
Robin
Sunshell92
i know that i am hungry when mystomach growls. i know that i am full when
after eating and waiting twenty minutes, my stomach no longer growls . it jsut
feels normal
shell
Angel29700
Robin--
Spoilered for mention of weight....
Thanks so much for the advice and help. I do have to tell you, though, that I
am no where underweight. In fact, I have gained all except 20 lbs of my weight
back. So now I am 155, possibly 160 lbs. that's why i am so very upset. I am
getting fat again and I can't stop it.
I really like you idea about using the glucose meter and using food as
medicine. I already have one and I do have a problem with low blood sugar. I
get really weak and really really really bad headaches if I don't eat at
certain times. But I think I'll try your Idea.
Thanks again for all the support!!!
Kristin
Boulde8850
robin:
a glucose meter is an interesting idea...how would that work? it would tell
you when your body physically needs fuel (calories)?
any further information would be greatly appreciated!
thanks!
Robin King
Hi!
I'm not a doc or any sort of medical professional, but here's what
passed
through my mind when I wrote that. Glucose meters are usually used by
diabetics,
because their bodies don't use insulin properly (or don't make enough in
the first
place) so their blood sugar can get really high, which is bad.
But really low blood sugar is also not good. So I was thinking, here's
a
number that more or less relates to one's need for food. It's a number
that should
be neither too high nor too low. If a person is going to be obsessed
with numbers,
it's a better number to be obsessed with than one's weight or body fat
percentage.
You can measure your own physical reaction to food, so it's a personal
number,
whereas weight charts and body fat %s are better applied to populations
rather
than individuals.
It works like this: you poke your finger with a sterile lancet and let
a
drop of blood fall on a special test strip. The meter then does its
magic and
comes up with a number that measures the amount of glucose in your
blood. If it's
too low, then you can (hopefully) feel better about the idea of eating
something.
If there is someone reading this who's more medically savvy than I, I
would be interested in knowing whether this idea would be workable or
not. For in-
stance, dehydration can affect the reading, but maybe one could allow
for that.
I know that obsessions are hard as hell to get rid of. It works better
IMHO to assume you're going to be obsessed about *something* and try to
channel it
into something related, but less dangerous. Then you can give yourself
more time
and energy to deal with other things.
Robin
ClixPix
encourage people to develop another obsession.... It would not be
promoting health at all, and more likely would add to one's problems,
especially if one has OCD or is prone to developing obsessive behaviors, AND
if one has an ED.
Case in point: I know one person who already has this particular obsession
with monitoring her glucose levels, and it has only excacerbated, not
alleviated, her ED. One time we went to a movie, and twice during the
film, she went out to the lobby to check her blood levels. Ahem. Just a
weeny bit obsessive, wouldn't you say? She is NOT diabetic, by the way.
(She probably does have OCD, though) She is continually monitoring her
blood levels with the meter and also checking her ketones with one of those
urine sticks. It's not to see if she should be eating or drinking more.
She wouldn't eat or drink more, even if it were clearly indicated that she
should. In her case, it is actually more used as a way of seeing if she
has gotten "sick enough" yet...... (yes, she IS in treatment)
So this using a glucose meter is NOT a good idea, in my opinion!! Best to
leave the glucose monitoring to the doctor's office, unless it is medically
prescribed and indicated specifically for you, as in a situation where the
individual has diabetes.
---Connie
clixpix
Artemis
> I do! I have definitely changed my "body" objectives. I no longer
> want to be skinny and frail. I want to be strong and athletic and
> full of bounce!
Gus wrote:
> good goals, good realisations, good everythings!
<bouncing on my chair> Thank you, thank you, thank you very much! <g>
> > leave the house without some kind of "safe" emergency food on me, and
> > it has really helped.
>
> what kinds of foods would you consider a good emergency food? (i'll take
> your advice, but i think i need help, first.)
For me, that would be in general complex carbohydrates, in particular
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Artemis
I still haven't figured out why twwells doesn't like little points
as spoilers... I have to remember to use stars! OK, hope I can
remember well enough what I wrote. Lessee.
Gus wrote:
> what kinds of foods would you consider a good emergency food? (i'll take
> your advice, but i think i need help, first.)
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OK. In general, complex carbohydrates, in particular, any kind of
granola bar that I like enough to eat, but not enough to binge on.
They travel really well too, another big advantage.
Stuff I have at work: instant oatmeal, yoghurts, little individual
cheeses, a variety of fruit. Sometimes a can of Boost (nutritional
supplement). Sometimes whole wheat bread.
Something really important for me is getting enough protein (hence
the yoghurt and the cheeses). If I have enough protein at breakfast
(~20g), my blood sugar is much much more stable, and I don't get
tired and bingey so easily.
Fruit is OK, but is very quickly digested, so it won't tide you over
for long. I like to have it if we're having lunch a little later
than planned, for example. It's also a good choice about 30 minutes
before exercise.
Poor emergency food would be simple carbohydrates - get the sugar
high, and then crash worse than before. It can do in a pinch, if
followed by some serious nutrition. In general, complex carbs,
fiber and protein are my friends.
OK, gonna save this in case it gets lost again, and then I'm outta
here! It's been a long day at work.
> > Artemis - posting fool, today :-)
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> aww, not a fool today . . . more like, always . . .
>
> <ducking>
<big grin> Ya got me there! :-)
Artemis - with no straight lines for Gus to pounce on!
gustopher
> <bouncing on my chair> Thank you, thank you, thank you very much! <g>
aha! i've figured out your real name -- you're ELVIS! he IS alive -- i knew
it, all along.
:)
(and, number 2)
> Zut, flute et rezut!
<laugh>
that's an expression i rarely hear.
> I still haven't figured out why twwells doesn't like little points
> as spoilers... I have to remember to use stars! OK, hope I can
> remember well enough what I wrote. Lessee.
um, you don't keep copies of sent mail? and, also, twwells never seems to
mind *my* spoilers.
(so there :P)
> > what kinds of foods would you consider a good emergency food? (i'll take
> > your advice, but i think i need help, first.)
>
> [Once again, spoiler space for mention of specific foods]
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> * Colonel Fazackerly Butterworth-Toast
> * Had an old castle complete with a ghost
> * But someone or other forgot to declare
> * To Colonel Fazack that the spectre was there!
i never saw a purple cow
i never hope to see one
but i can tell you anyhow
i'd rather see than be one
oh yes, i wrote the purple cow
i'm sorry now, i wrote it
but i can tell you anyhow
i'll kill you if you quote it
(that, random shakespearean lines, a pesha gertler poem, and a buncha eliot
ones. eclectic, at least.)
> * (Enough?)
yup.
this seems good. :)
> OK. In general, complex carbohydrates, in particular, any kind of
> granola bar that I like enough to eat, but not enough to binge on.
> They travel really well too, another big advantage.
hmm. that would work -- and it can stay well, in my locker. i tend to find
them bingeable, but if i knowi'm in public, it should help.
anyways, i'm working on eating healthily, 3 meals, all that. it's hard,
because i'll be out of food's reach for 4-6 hours at a time, and it just
makes it all so much more complicated.
so i'm trying to eat just before i go in. not sure if it makes me more
obnoxious, though.
anyways. i now have your ideas -- some aren't feasible; i only have a
locker. but -- i like them, in general. thank you.
> Something really important for me is getting enough protein (hence
> the yoghurt and the cheeses). If I have enough protein at breakfast
> (~20g), my blood sugar is much much more stable, and I don't get
> tired and bingey so easily.
ah, yes. i am the queen of milk. i go through about a litre a day, plus the
protein in random other things i drink and eat. when i don't drink as much,
i do also notice i'm more -- unstable?
i don't think i ever made the connection, though.
> OK, gonna save this in case it gets lost again, and then I'm outta
> here! It's been a long day at work.
yes, that's what i need to do -- finish this before someone restarts my
computer and loses half-written email.
<bitter, bitter>
> Artemis - with no straight lines for Gus to pounce on!
but *that's* no fun
:)
gus
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don't want to feel because what you feel will be pain, so you try not to
feel, and just sit there, immobile, numb, in pain?
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