Tips from Greatest PUA I know...
Michael S.
sites like Maniac's. There are some very colorfull and interesting people
on this site! I have develoved a fondness and respect for many of the
notable posters here.
I just wanted to share some thoughts from the greatest PUA I have ever
known. MY FATHER. Yes, this man was still clocking 18 yr old HBs in his
late 60s ! I call him the "Greatest" because his success rate was VERY
high. In fact, to my knowledge his success rate was 100%. I NEVER saw him
fail. Not only could he get them into bed, he always managed to get them to
fall MADLY in love with him. Not only would they call him and follow him
around like lovesick puppies, they would also buy him expensive gifts and
generally supplicate their asses off.
PU was NEVER a numbers game with him. In other words, if you approach
enough women, it doesn't really matter WHAT you say. You could approach
1000 HBs and tell them all that you like to PEE on yourself while holding a
chia-pet in one hand and a pet rock in the other. AND sooner or later you
will get laid. He was a true PUA because he could zero-in on one target and
OWN HER, body and soul.
I have used most of his techniques with a very HIGH success rate. Not as
high as his... after all, he is the MASTER... I am the student. In fact, I
used his methods for "Owning" my wife. My wife was the popular HB
cheerleader, Homecoming Queen, that every guy in town was sweating.
Unfortunately, I lost my wife and daughter in an auto accident... but, life
goes on. Although I haven't found another that I want to comit to, I am
never at a loss for HBs.... thanks to dad! He has also passed away. But I
have saved all of his notes into a journal.
My father's techniques did have some common ground with ASF and SS with
some differences.
1. He never supplicated although he wasn't as anal about paying for some
things. But he was a generous man by nature even with his male friends. In
fact one night he was in a very good mood and bought a round for EVERYONE
in the bar. The hottest HB came over to thank him. I guess what he did was
so out of the ordinary that it sparked her interest. It was like he wanted
the whole bar to share in his good mood. He told her that he likes to share
his good fortune with those that are less fortunate. This was almost like a
NEG HIT on her. It also set him ABOVE the others as being somehow inferior.
I think she then needed to prove that she was NOT needy, so she started
buying HIM drinks. Also the fact that she recieved a drink the was not
intended just for her. HB Needy ended up falling madly for dear old dad.
2. He was a MASTER at eliciting values. My father used something known as
Reflective Listening tehniques. This goes back to Sigmund Freud and the
fact that his female clients kept falling in love with him. He even placed
them on a couch facing away from him but they STILL fell in love with him.
I have even used this on HBs over the phone to "Own" them. Reflective
Listening gives them the feeling of being DEEPLY understood in a way that
they have never felt before. The problem with EV is that much of what they
will trowell out is Bullshit, so the seduction becomes conveluted. It takes
an experienced PUA like MrNYC to seperate the bull. Reflective listening
gets to the core of who they really are, and who they can be. One of the
most important parts is being non-judgemental when they are opening up. In
other words, sometimes when you elicit values, they will tell you what they
think you want to hear or try to impress you. RL deals with this problem
and you will get their TRUE values and not what Cosmopolitan Magazine told
them to say. Many of the flubbed seductions I have seen on this site are
because of faulty EV.
3. He was a master at playing the (Hope + Doubt = Passion) formula. Once he
had tapped into the core of their being, he would be too busy, aloof,
unavailable, etc. Yet he would continue to give them "fixes" of their
particular psychological feel-good drug of choice, which he uncovered using
RL.
4. He had NO problem being friends with them and would use it to his
advantage. It's ok to be friends if you don't supplicate and continue to
get them hooked on what you have to offer. Drug addicts are not made
overnight, and addicts to YOU are not always made overnight. He always
dealt from a position of strength and confidence. He ALWAYS got the one's
that LJBF him usually because of age difference. He never let the LJBF
thing throw him. I could post more on this later, or any of it for that
matter. If you know how to work it, being their "Girlfriend" can be the
best path to literally make them a piece of property that you own and use
at your discretion.
In fact, I know that many of you are really looking for a long term
relationship, and you simply CAN NOT sustain a marriage without being
friends with the person. It just can't happen. BEING FRIENDS IS A GOOD
THING IF YOU PLAY IT PROPERLY.
5. He didn't mind being an emotional dumping ground for their problems. He
said that most men don't want to deal with this, but it can be the most
fertile grounds for sowing the seeds of a seduction and OWNING them. He
always played the part of the strong one that THEY needed. He didn't need
them.
6. If he was getting sufficient resistance, he would simply confront their
behavior.
7. Rejection didn't phase him, he would continue until he got them hooked.
He saw rejection as ONLY TEMPORARY.
OOPS... I am out of time. There is so much more to say. I will try to post
more soon if anyone is interested.
Peace
M
Logan
exactly is involved in this? How does it differ from normal listening?
Thanks in advance.
Dee
Can you elaborate on Reflective Listening?
Dee
"Michael S." <LionS...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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Jeffrey
details.
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emcgizmo
>
> known. MY FATHER>
> Reflective Listening tehniques. This goes back to Sigmund Freud and the
> fact that his female clients kept falling in love with him. He even placed
> them on a couch facing away from him but they STILL fell in love with him.
> I have even used this on HBs over the phone to "Own" them. Reflective
> Listening gives them the feeling of being DEEPLY understood in a way that
> they have never felt before. The problem with EV is that much of what they
> an experienced PUA like MrNYC to seperate the bull. Reflective listening
> gets to the core of who they really are, and who they can be. One of the
> most important parts is being non-judgemental when they are opening up. In
> other words, sometimes when you elicit values, they will tell you what they
> think you want to hear or try to impress you. RL deals with this problem
> and you will get their TRUE values and not what Cosmopolitan Magazine told
> them to say. Many of the flubbed seductions I have seen on this site are
> because of faulty EV.
>
legacy, would you please post some Reflective Listening examples and
sample scripts.
Manos
Yeah - holy, what a tease! :)
"Reflective listening is this, it's that, it's great, it'll get you
laid. Oh yeah, and I'm not going to tell what Reflective listening
actually is, because I like to be irritating."
Come on, fess up. This newsgroup is for sharing and learning, not
bragging ;-)
Manos
"No man is great enough or wise enough for any of us to surrender our destiny
to. The only way in which anyone can lead us is to restore to us the belief
in our own guidance."
"The real leader has no need to lead -- he is content to point the way."
"The world is not to be put in order; the world is order, incarnate. It is
for us to harmonize with this order."
"What distinguishes the majority of men from the few is their inability to
act according to their beliefs."
-Henry Miller
"You always miss 100% of the shots you don't take."
-some guy
"Hate the game, not the player"
-unknown
MrSex4uNYC
>sites like Maniac's. There are some very colorfull and interesting people
>on this site! I have develoved a fondness and respect for many of the
>notable posters here.
>
> I just wanted to share some thoughts from the greatest PUA I have ever
>known. MY FATHER.
>He was a true PUA because he could zero-in on one target and
>OWN HER, body and soul.
IMO, this is one of the HIGHEST LEVELS of PU. whether you use it for LTR or
sporadic ONS, or nothing sexual at all, OWNING a chick (because she DESIRES to
be YOURS) completely surpasses BF/GF, engagement or marriage. when I think
about it, there are several chicks that I OWN right now... that would drop
whatever they were doing with whomever they happen to be in a relationship with
if I told them I WANTED or NEEDED them by my side. I am not talking about sex,
though I could get that too, but a REAL OWNERSHIP... the REAL INCREDIBLE
CONNECTION that she will carry with her all the days of her life. chicks that
I haven't even THOUGHT ABOUT in years come to mind right now, and the surprised
and elated looks that would be on their faces if I were to appear where they
live right now.
>In fact, I
>used his methods for "Owning" my wife. My wife was the popular HB
>cheerleader, Homecoming Queen, that every guy in town was sweating.
congratulations. I'm sorry to hear about your extreme loss. I take the modest
route when I talk about my PRIMARY, but I OWN her. she is mine... whether I
want her or not. she finds ultimate pleasure in her devotion to me and my
happiness. she serves me to the point that sometimes it's downright annoying
:) seriously. I am a very self-sufficient person, and I don't really like it
when she tries to anticipate what I need and do it for me before I can do it
for myself... all the way down to picking up a napkin I might have dropped on
the floor. I am not talking about subserviance. it is easy enough to get a
chick to do what you tell her to, but I can feel her emotionally probing my
soul attempting to clearly understand who I am so she can fulfill her role in
satisfying and pleasing me. not that some player couldn't persuade her into a
ONS or fucking her long-term or even stealing her from me... my defence is not
INVINCIBLE :) but, I feel like the only way she is going to detach herself
from me is if God tells her DIRECTLY that being with me is wrong... and then
she would STILL try to sneak behind God's back :)
>Although I haven't found another that I want to comit to, I am
>never at a loss for HBs.... thanks to dad!
I am not the marrying type, personally. I see chicks more as entertainment
than anything else :) what you wrote reminds me of another thread where I was
discussing my 2-tier approach to MLTR. my primary is my primary because she is
QUALIFIED for the position. for who *I* am, she is a great match in VERY MANY
ways. if I were to NEXT her, I would be left with a bunch of second-class
citizens... and none of them would be getting promoted unless I felt that they
were qualified to handle the duties and responsibilities of my primary as well
as having the COMPATIBILITY and DEVOTION to me that I require.
>1. He never supplicated although he wasn't as anal about paying for some
>things. But he was a generous man by nature even with his male friends.
that's key though. when a chick sees that you are generous with all of your
friends, she doesn't take your treatment of her as a sign that you are sweating
her. I might pick up the check for dinner with a wing and two chicks... there
is much more to it than meets the eye, but it is not seen as supplication. it
is seen as a generous guy being generous... to all. do they think I am
supplicating to my own WINGMAN? :)
>He told her that he likes to share
>his good fortune with those that are less fortunate. This was almost like a
>NEG HIT on her. It also set him ABOVE the others as being somehow inferior.
again... it wasn't a neg on her... but THE WHOLE CROWD! :) sweet. it does set
him above, because there weren't too many men in that room that had the means
to buy the round for everyone, and of those that have the means... they didn't
have the DESIRE to please other people that would overwhelm their greed.
>I think she then needed to prove that she was NOT needy, so she started
>buying HIM drinks. Also the fact that she recieved a drink the was not
>intended just for her. HB Needy ended up falling madly for dear old dad.
again... this speaks to OWNERSHIP. one of the perks of ownership is that the
chick STRIVES to please you. this has nothing to do with sex, although it
could. when chicks buy me drinks (and it happens all the time because they are
GLAD that I am spending time with them and lighting up their lives with my
presence and the mental, sometimes emotional or sexual trips I take them on), I
can feel that they are HAPPY to be able to do something for me... someone who
has enriched their lives so much... the LEAST they can do is buy me a drink.
is is common IME for a chick to buy the first round and then another chick to
buy the second round for a group o 4 or 5. if we are sitting at a bar, it is
common for one of them to hand her credit card to the bartender and start up a
tab for the entire group we came with. these are the benefits of value
elicitation and learning the right buttons to push and continually pushing
them, like you mention later.
>2. He was a MASTER at eliciting values. My father used something known as
>Reflective Listening tehniques. This goes back to Sigmund Freud and the
>fact that his female clients kept falling in love with him. He even placed
>them on a couch facing away from him but they STILL fell in love with him.
>I have even used this on HBs over the phone to "Own" them.
once you have seen a chick, being on the phone or online yields TREMENDOUS
results when your goal is to own a chick. you have a direct connection to
their minds, in the most INTIMATE of settings... THEIR BEDROOMS! :) your voice
is the last one they hear at night, before they start to dream (of you). your
words are what they read instead of harlequin novels. they are interacting
with you when they look their worst, are dressed their worst, and are snuggled
under their own covers in their own beds in their own homes... how often do you
think "I wish he was here with me" floats through her mind? :)
>Reflective
>Listening gives them the feeling of being DEEPLY understood in a way that
>they have never felt before. The problem with EV is that much of what they
>will trowell out is Bullshit, so the seduction becomes conveluted. It takes
>an experienced PUA like MrNYC to seperate the bull. Reflective listening
>gets to the core of who they really are, and who they can be.
understanding a chick is key. not JUST understanding her... but CONTINUOUSLY
understanding her. continuously pushing her buttons and telling her things
that she believes to be true... which you know she believes because you
elicited them from her yourself :) this is part of my OWNERSHIP of my primary.
NOBODY knows her like me, and she knows it. I know things her relatives don't
know. I know things her ex-borfriends don't know. I know things that SHE
doesn't know about herself :) when I tell her these things and then it comes
to pass that she realizes it to be true about herself down the road... she is
ALWAYS amazed and believes even more that she was "made specifically for me".
>One of the
>most important parts is being non-judgemental when they are opening up. In
>other words, sometimes when you elicit values, they will tell you what they
>think you want to hear or try to impress you. RL deals with this problem
>and you will get their TRUE values and not what Cosmopolitan Magazine told
>them to say.
I agree with this completely. I was arguing this point recently with a natural
PUA that I learned many of my guerilla tactics from/with. a chick would say
somethng that I completely disagree with and I would validate and move on. he
will ask me later why I'm not being REAL with her and voicing my opinion about
whatever she did/said. his style is frontal sexuality... so is mine, when the
situation calls for it. if it is not OBVIOUS that she's interested... NOW! I
like to sit back and map out the territory before committing to a particular
personality or set of beliefs. he feels like this is supplication and bending
myself to her whim. I feel like it's building such INCREDIBLE rapport, that
down the line (meaning later that same night), I can go for a DEEP, PROBING
strike... the likes of which she would have never been open to without a
non-judgemental chameleon-like approach. I like to get a girl in a state where
she is not afraid that I will leave her or ridicule her for ANYTHING she says.
that's when she will search deep inside for the TRUE information, instead of
giving the information that will keep her happy and popular.
>Many of the flubbed seductions I have seen on this site are
>because of faulty EV.
sure :) it's amazing how guys take these shots in the dark, then wonder what
happened. if a great date for a girl is when she laughs a lot and you take her
out dancing and are very serious with her, you may be pushing a lot of buttons,
but none of them affect her in the way you want them to OR the way you think
they are. "I took her out, and I got a kiss on the cheek/lips/chest... that
means..."
>3. He was a master at playing the (Hope + Doubt = Passion) formula.
IMMEDIATELY appended to my list of techniques :)
>Once he
>had tapped into the core of their being, he would be too busy, aloof,
>unavailable, etc. Yet he would continue to give them "fixes" of their
>particular psychological feel-good drug of choice, which he uncovered using
>RL.
I don't use this enough. I am sort of a glutton when it comes to chicks :) if
something is good between me and a chick, I will practically literally fuck her
into the ground ASAP :)
>4. He had NO problem being friends with them and would use it to his
>advantage. It's ok to be friends if you don't supplicate and continue to
>get them hooked on what you have to offer. Drug addicts are not made
>overnight, and addicts to YOU are not always made overnight.
the more they experience other guys, the better you look. if you are willing
to take the time to do a long-term sarge, this leads directly to ownership. as
you said, the problem occurs if you DO supplicate or let them think that you
are hanging on hoping that you can get some sex from them eventually. if they
see you as a man who "gets his", but at the same time can hang out with the
girls and NOT spill the beans about what they are talking about (you would be
surprised how much chicks reveal their girlfriends' gossip), you will get the
BEST information. also, the fact that they can "bare their souls" to you sets
them up again for that deeply-probing internal strike. they figure "I have
told him all this, and nothing has gone wrong and nobody has found out.. I can
answer this personal question truthfully as well". also, if you aren't sarging
that chick in particular, she will give a GREAT reference for you to ANY chick
that you tell her to (barring the cockblocking activities of one particular
thread where the chick was afraid to lose her confidante/LJBF, so she refused
to set him up with another chick :-)
>He always dealt from a position of strength and confidence.
as long as you hold your position, intelligent women will gravitate towards
you... even when they see that you refuse (naturally) to gravitate towards
them.
>He ALWAYS got the one's
>that LJBF him usually because of age difference. He never let the LJBF
>thing throw him.
I consider LJBF coming from a chick to be her own ignorance as far as how I can
make her feel sexually. I haven't heard it lately because since I have a
primary that HANDLES HER BUSINESS :) I might WANT to sex a new chick, but I
don't NEED to sex her. that means I can turn the flirting and innuendo on 600%
and never care whether I lay her or not... while she has to either go home to
an inadequate boyfriend, a vibrator, her fingers or just an inner LONGING and
CRAVING that won't be satisfied until she falls asleep... if she can :) while I
get laid regardless later that night OR the next morning.
>If you know how to work it, being their "Girlfriend" can be the
>best path to literally make them a piece of property that you own and use
>at your discretion.
for anything. rides, food, money, trips, comfort, sex, companionship,
listening, escorting you to a function, getting you into a club, inviting you
to private parties with MOSTLY chicks...
>I know that many of you are really looking for a long term
>relationship, and you simply CAN NOT sustain a marriage without being
>friends with the person. It just can't happen. BEING FRIENDS IS A GOOD
>THING IF YOU PLAY IT PROPERLY.
after limerance, friendship is all that is left. for every fine woman, there
is a guy that is TIRED of fucking her :)
>5. He didn't mind being an emotional dumping ground for their problems. He
>said that most men don't want to deal with this, but it can be the most
>fertile grounds for sowing the seeds of a seduction and OWNING them. He
>always played the part of the strong one that THEY needed. He didn't need
>them.
this is key in ownership as well. you might be surprised to learn that I was
given ULTIMATE credit for going SHOPPING with a chick :) she took me along
when she went to meet a girlfriend of hers for lunch. when she told her that I
was very patient at shopping (why WOULDN'T I be? it's like ME and 100 chicks
in a lingerie store :-), her girlfriend told her that she should hook her up
with my number. she was laughing, but she wasn't kidding :)
>6. If he was getting sufficient resistance, he would simply confront their
>behavior.
if a chick is a complete head-case, I really like informing her of who she is
and why what she is doing will not get her anywhere near the results she really
wants. then I release her like a carrier pidgeon, and watch her progress. I
like to revisit her now and then to watch her break down towards living her
reality instead of her fantasy. it's even more fun to break a chick down and
rebuild her in the same evening... but that's a different topic :)
>7. Rejection didn't phase him, he would continue until he got them hooked.
>He saw rejection as ONLY TEMPORARY.
I am often amazed at how I used to dislike rejection. I really can't
understand it now. rejection just saves me time. I get to next her (if she
hasn't nexted me first) or pivot her, and use her for bait until I don't want
to use her anymore. however... once you have lulled them to sleep with
"friendship", that's where you sneak in under their radar and do an amazing TA.
great post :)
The Seduction Library
>sites like Maniac's. There are some very colorfull and interesting people
>on this site! I have develoved a fondness and respect for many of the
>notable posters here.
>
> I just wanted to share some thoughts from the greatest PUA I have ever
>known. MY FATHER. Yes, this man was still clocking 18 yr old HBs in his
>late 60s ! I call him the "Greatest" because his success rate was VERY
>high. In fact, to my knowledge his success rate was 100%. I NEVER saw him
>fail. Not only could he get them into bed, he always managed to get them to
>fall MADLY in love with him. Not only would they call him and follow him
>around like lovesick puppies, they would also buy him expensive gifts and
>generally supplicate their asses off.
My dad was married five times, and one time got VERY pissed at me when I walked
up to him in the park while he was watching me and asked the 20-something woman
he was talking to if she knew that "my daddy is FIFTY-SEVEN years old!"
My parents differ in ages by 21 years.
> PU was NEVER a numbers game with him.
Nor is it with a Foxhunter.
>In other words, if you approach
>enough women, it doesn't really matter WHAT you say.
No shit. It also stops mattering who she is if she doesn't say "yes."
>You could approach
>1000 HBs and tell them all that you like to PEE on yourself while holding a
>chia-pet in one hand and a pet rock in the other. AND sooner or later you
>will get laid. He was a true PUA because he could zero-in on one target and
>OWN HER, body and soul.
Sharpshooter.
> I have used most of his techniques with a very HIGH success rate. Not
as
>high as his... after all, he is the MASTER... I am the student. In fact, I
>used his methods for "Owning" my wife. My wife was the popular HB
>cheerleader, Homecoming Queen, that every guy in town was sweating.
>Unfortunately, I lost my wife and daughter in an auto accident... but, life
>goes on. Although I haven't found another that I want to comit to, I am
>never at a loss for HBs.... thanks to dad! He has also passed away. But I
>have saved all of his notes into a journal.
>
> My father's techniques did have some common ground with ASF and SS with
>some differences.
>1. He never supplicated although he wasn't as anal about paying for some
>things.
I believe this is good. Depends on the situation most of the time, although
your father lived in an era where men were expected to pay. His view today
might change.
>But he was a generous man by nature even with his male friends.
That's another thing about money: don't do for a woman what you wouldn't do for
a close male friend, and don't NOT do it for her either.
>In
>fact one night he was in a very good mood and bought a round for EVERYONE
>in the bar.
I think this is one of the stupidest gestures one can make, because it's so
impersonal. I remember having my dinner paid at a bar one night that way and
thought of it as showing off.
>The hottest HB came over to thank him.
Obviously, she didn't share my opinion.
>I guess what he did was
>so out of the ordinary that it sparked her interest.
It's not that out of the ordinary.
Your dad was using money as a wedge to break the ice and not singling out any
one specific person.
>It was like he wanted
>the whole bar to share in his good mood.
Or buy their friendship.
The "methods" here have to work for men who can't afford this.
>He told her that he likes to share
>his good fortune with those that are less fortunate.
That would be those who can't be found in bars, and it's an insult to those who
are in the bar.
He could have invested that money and left it upon his death to another cause
too.
>This was almost like a
>NEG HIT on her.
It's an insult, not a neg.
>It also set him ABOVE the others as being somehow inferior.
Mock humility.
>I think she then needed to prove that she was NOT needy, so she started
>buying HIM drinks.
Not shocking.
>Also the fact that she recieved a drink the was not
>intended just for her. HB Needy ended up falling madly for dear old dad.
That's his method? You haven't outlined it.
>2. He was a MASTER at eliciting values. My father used something known as
>Reflective Listening tehniques. This goes back to Sigmund Freud and the
>fact that his female clients kept falling in love with him. He even placed
>them on a couch facing away from him but they STILL fell in love with him.
>I have even used this on HBs over the phone to "Own" them. Reflective
>Listening gives them the feeling of being DEEPLY understood in a way that
>they have never felt before.
I wrote about this in my books, Ross and others have written about it in his,
and this newsgroup considers that to be basic knowledge.
I specifically wrote about a man who mastered this technique online and got 125
women to fall in love with him.
>The problem with EV is that much of what they
>will trowell out is Bullshit, so the seduction becomes conveluted. It takes
>an experienced PUA like MrNYC to seperate the bull.
>Reflective listening
>gets to the core of who they really are, and who they can be.
An idiot chick who can't see a man is listening to her just to get into her
pants?
> One of the
>most important parts is being non-judgemental when they are opening up.
Being her GIRLFRIEND is a known technique.
>In
>other words, sometimes when you elicit values, they will tell you what they
>think you want to hear or try to impress you. RL deals with this problem
>and you will get their TRUE values and not what Cosmopolitan Magazine told
>them to say.
Any man who pays attention to women should be able to do this by watching how
she acts instead of listening to what she says.
>Many of the flubbed seductions I have seen on this site are
>because of faulty EV.
How about a faulty philosophy that one woman means nothing?
>3. He was a master at playing the (Hope + Doubt = Passion) formula. Once he
>had tapped into the core of their being, he would be too busy, aloof,
>unavailable, etc.
Tao of Steve covers this..........
>Yet he would continue to give them "fixes" of their
>particular psychological feel-good drug of choice, which he uncovered using
>RL.
Feeding emotional addictions? Also been covered.
>4. He had NO problem being friends with them and would use it to his
>advantage.
See "pivoting....."
>It's ok to be friends if you don't supplicate and continue to
>get them hooked on what you have to offer.
Make them regret the LJBF.....also covered many times. See "indirect
seduction" in Foxhunting for an example of how to work this.
>Drug addicts are not made
>overnight, and addicts to YOU are not always made overnight. He always
>dealt from a position of strength and confidence.
See "Letting the Game Come To You" in Foxhunting.........
>He ALWAYS got the one's
>that LJBF him usually because of age difference.
Very typical: she has a problem with it initially, but as she gets to know you
sees it's meaningless.
>He never let the LJBF
>thing throw him.
Neither do Foxhunters.
>I could post more on this later, or any of it for that
>matter. If you know how to work it, being their "Girlfriend" can be the
>best path to literally make them a piece of property that you own and use
>at your discretion.
This is well-known........
> In fact, I know that many of you are really looking for a long term
>relationship, and you simply CAN NOT sustain a marriage without being
>friends with the person.
Says who?
>It just can't happen. BEING FRIENDS IS A GOOD
>THING IF YOU PLAY IT PROPERLY.
Examples?
>5. He didn't mind being an emotional dumping ground for their problems.
See "Utility Fox" in Foxhunting.......yawn.
>He
>said that most men don't want to deal with this, but it can be the most
>fertile grounds for sowing the seeds of a seduction and OWNING them.
And he has to pay a lot of utility to get his "free chance." Not a bargain.
>He
>always played the part of the strong one that THEY needed.
Lame. I want a woman I can be myself around.
>He didn't need
>them.
Apparently he did since he was devoting so much time to them.
>6. If he was getting sufficient resistance, he would simply confront their
>behavior.
"Calling her on her bullshit" has been covered about a million times.
>7. Rejection didn't phase him, he would continue until he got them hooked.
>He saw rejection as ONLY TEMPORARY.
See "one and done" in Foxhunting......also "Returning Fox" theory.
>OOPS... I am out of time. There is so much more to say. I will try to post
>more soon if anyone is interested.
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You're women are SUBMISSIVE to you.
They GET OFF on being DOORMATS.
Great lays, but great women?
Come on.......
TortueGenial
well , if you want to learn something about active/reflecitve listening
you can visit on the link , here:
http://crs.uvm.edu/nnco/communsupp/work2.html
http://www.per.ualberta.ca/lkikulis/perls105/Lectures/March19/sld004.htm
http://www.geni-jobnet.com/hiringtips/listening.htm
TortueGenial
emcgizmo wrote:
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Une horloge en panne vous donne quand même
l'heure correcte au moins deux fois par
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MrSex4uNYC
>
>You're women are SUBMISSIVE to you.
that's right
>They GET OFF on being DOORMATS.
if you call a woman that wants to please her man a doormat, then I agree :)
>Great lays, but great women?
>
>Come on.......
hehehe GREAT... FOR *ME* :)
you can have Hillary and all those N.O.W. bitches for yourself. I'm sure
they're "minddiggers" and "great women" in your eyes :)
Manos
wrote:
>Hi,
>
>well , if you want to learn something about active/reflecitve listening
>you can visit on the link , here:
>
>http://crs.uvm.edu/nnco/communsupp/work2.html
>
>http://www.per.ualberta.ca/lkikulis/perls105/Lectures/March19/sld004.htm
>
>http://www.geni-jobnet.com/hiringtips/listening.htm
>
>TortueGenial
Excellent - thanks.
Michael S.
MASTERY at this game!. I am still working toward that goal. When I first
started reading your posts, I knew that you were in a league of your own.
It's good to know that there are people like you out there who are willing
to share their knowledge. My father was pretty tight-lipped about many
things. I am still trying to read and decipher his journals. He used many
abbreviations that I have not been able to figure out yet. Some of the
material is over my head right now at my level. And some of it makes sense
when I see it being used.
Do you keep a log or journal? If so, I think it should be published
someday.
I am really facinated by your military analogies. Now that I think about
it, my father seemed to structure his heirarchy or women in the same
manner. Maybe that is the key to juggling mulitple women. I find that I can
only handle about 1-3 in my life at one time.
I look forward to reading ALL of your posts!
Michael S.
MrSex4uNYC <mrsex...@aol.comedr4d> wrote in article
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Kakol
"Michael S." <LionS...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:01c0f6a3$91916160$55ee6620@default...
<
<Snip>
> I just wanted to share some thoughts from the greatest PUA I have
ever
> known. MY FATHER. Yes, this man was still clocking 18 yr old HBs in
his
> late 60s ! I call him the "Greatest" because his success rate was
VERY
> high. In fact, to my knowledge his success rate was 100%. I NEVER
saw him
> fail. Not only could he get them into bed, he always managed to get
them to
> fall MADLY in love with him. Not only would they call him and follow
him
> around like lovesick puppies, they would also buy him expensive
gifts and
> generally supplicate their asses off.
I'd like to hear more about the above as I'm just becoming middle aged
and I see myself headed in this direction. When I lived in LA I would
run into guys like this occasionally and actually netted a number of
chycks that had been in LTR with much older guys. Should have paid
more attention to what the fuck was going on around me. Like most guys
in my 20's and early thirties, the thought that I might someday be in
my 40's and then 50's and single never occurred to me :-o Fucking
social conditioning :) My experience of it from the chycks I PU'ed off
these guys is the chycks were with them primarily for
security/stability reasons in exchange for giving them sex or what
I've come to call "playing house." IOW to hear the chycks tell it they
never had any intention of actually remaining with the older guy. It
was just kind of like a comfortable resting place for them to pursue
the men they really wanted without sweating anything. Like I said, I
should have paid more attention at the time. I'd be interested to know
if this is true or not.
>
> PU was NEVER a numbers game with him. In other words, if you
approach
> enough women, it doesn't really matter WHAT you say. You could
approach
> 1000 HBs and tell them all that you like to PEE on yourself while
holding a
> chia-pet in one hand and a pet rock in the other. AND sooner or
later you
> will get laid.
That's the point I'm trying to get across to the newbies in my "Time
to Rock" posts. Do something, do anything, just don't do nothing and
you'll get laid by osmosis if nothing else.
>He was a true PUA because he could zero-in on one target and
> OWN HER, body and soul.
I've done this myself and it does work but you have to have a lot of
patience and the chycks undivided attention to pull it off. That's one
of the things that's pissing me off about where I live now vs. living
in LA. There's so few chycks to pull from here that I'm being forced
to zero-in on particular targets and wait for an opening. That isn't
my preferred method at all. I can't be my usual Chameleon like self
until I can either separate them from their packs of high school and
college friends they always seem to be with when they're out and
about, or catch them alone by chance somewhere. Feels too much like
stalking/one-itis to me and makes me uncomfortable even though I have
several targets I'm working at the moment. I'm having to behave more
like a cat waiting patiently to pounce on it's prey. I'm out of my
element here cause I'm working chycks I'd usually ignore or who would
be approaching me in a higher population environment. Moving to richer
hunting grounds is a project that has now taken the highest priority
in my life at the moment for this very reason among others . . .
>
> I have used most of his techniques with a very HIGH success rate.
Not as
> high as his... after all, he is the MASTER... I am the student. In
fact, I
> used his methods for "Owning" my wife. My wife was the popular HB
> cheerleader, Homecoming Queen, that every guy in town was sweating.
> Unfortunately, I lost my wife and daughter in an auto accident...
but, life
> goes on. Although I haven't found another that I want to comit to, I
am
> never at a loss for HBs.... thanks to dad! He has also passed away.
But I
> have saved all of his notes into a journal.
Sorry to hear about your losses. Thank god you kept a journal. I'd be
interested to hear more about your dad and his techniques.
The trick here is knowing WHEN to be generous and pay and WHEN not to.
IOW taking a chyck you don't even fucking know to an expensive dinner
in order to sarge her or get to know her is fucking stupid. That's
what AFC's do for PU technique. OTOH IF I ever buy a chyck a drink I'm
sarging early on, I will usually offer to buy the FIRST ROUND by
saying exactly that in kind of an off hand manner but so I know that
she heard me. She then buys the second round and I make sure she does
even if during the first round I've already decided that I'm going to
next her. I'm very aware of this shit too.
IMO this is the hardest fucking thing to teach someone whether it be
PUing or sales technique. IME someone has to WATCH and LISTEN to me do
it to get even a remote idea of what to do. Reflective listening is
the art of using EMPATHY to draw out a persons real feelings about
issues they have with life, and their relationships with other humans
in a way that you LEAD them to sort out their own confusion about
their issues in a way that it appears that they arrived at the answers
themselves. IME the hardest part of reflective listening is first
getting the person to understand that THEY are responsible for their
own comprehension of life and their issues with life and their
relationships with other humans. Once they accept and OWN that premise
then and only then can you then proceed further to lead them "where no
man has gone before" with them. This technique also requires that you
have the person's undivided attention and get them into a state where
they feel comfortable revealing their TRUE feelings about themselves,
how THEY FEEL they are perceived by others, and how THEY developed
their own personal issues as a result of their perception of their
environment and relationships with others.
Women in general are much better at this then men BTW. Their natural b
iological being as caretakers requires this for raising and
communicating with children. If you want to see masters in action
using this technique watch carefully while a good mother continues to
question a crying child sometime. She will naturally continue to probe
the child until she hits upon or stumbles upon the reason for the
child's distress. Once she discovers the child's perception of why
they are crying she will then continue to question and lead the child
until the child resolves the issue with her. A natural master of
reflective listening at work.
>
> 3. He was a master at playing the (Hope + Doubt = Passion) formula.
Once he
> had tapped into the core of their being, he would be too busy,
aloof,
> unavailable, etc. Yet he would continue to give them "fixes" of
their
> particular psychological feel-good drug of choice, which he
uncovered using
> RL.
My formula is Challenge X Doubt = Desire. I'll share this with the
group sometime but it's pretty involved for posting on a NG. Was
actually going to include it in the book I've been entertaining the
idea of writing that brought me to this NG to begin with.
>
> 4. He had NO problem being friends with them and would use it to his
> advantage. It's ok to be friends if you don't supplicate and
continue to
> get them hooked on what you have to offer. Drug addicts are not made
> overnight, and addicts to YOU are not always made overnight.
This makes perfect sense if he actually understood and used reflective
listening technique with women. If you've done your job right they
will cling to you for dear fucking life and continue to remind you
that they've never met anyone like you in their entire life. If you
actually know what you're doing here and how 99% of the population of
the earth does not understand HOW to communicate effectively with
others, it is no wonder that they would feel this way with you. I call
this the lifeboat perception. IOW sometimes I'll create a story for a
woman based around a sinking ship. There's only room for 5 people in
the lifeboat and twenty of your personal friends WANT or NEED to be in
the lifeboat to live. You have to choose who lives and who dies based
on what you believe the four friends out of the twenty that you choose
will contribute to the survival of the group of 5 knowing that the
remaining 16 friends face certain death if you don't choose them. Your
job as a PUA is to come across to a woman who may barely know you as
their number one choice for their personal lifeboat. To become
ANYONE'S number one choice for their personal lifeboat requires that
you first become accountable for your own actions and choices in life
and stop placing blame for your perceived failures in life anywhere
other than yourself. But then this is another issue that has more to
do with personal growth than PUing. Although, watching the newbies
arrive on this NG and start owning and taking responsibility for their
own AFCness is one of the many things that attracts me to this NG.
>He always
> dealt from a position of strength and confidence. He ALWAYS got the
one's
> that LJBF him usually because of age difference. He never let the
LJBF
> thing throw him. I could post more on this later, or any of it for
that
> matter. If you know how to work it, being their "Girlfriend" can be
the
> best path to literally make them a piece of property that you own
and use
> at your discretion.
As I get older I'm finding that I'm having to change my game for
younger chycks this way too. I almost have to wade through a couple of
STR's with guys their own age with the fucking chycks in order to
guide them onto my dick by teaching them how to be in command of their
relationships with young guys. That also answers the question that
some have asked here regarding whether SS techniques work on guys. The
answer is yes. :-)
Once I've been their GF for a while by letting them come to me with
all their relationship problems and shown them how to have the guy
groveling at their fucking feet for attention, they no longer want the
guy because he looks like a muscle bound, wimpy, cry baby. Where do
you think they're going to turn for the attention of a real man that
can give them what those guys can't. That's right. Their new best male
GF that has all the answers to their deepest desires and proved it by
helping them get the results they thought they wanted with the guys
they now perceive as losers. :-)
>
> In fact, I know that many of you are really looking for a long term
> relationship, and you simply CAN NOT sustain a marriage without
being
> friends with the person. It just can't happen. BEING FRIENDS IS A
GOOD
> THING IF YOU PLAY IT PROPERLY.
>
> 5. He didn't mind being an emotional dumping ground for their
problems. He
> said that most men don't want to deal with this, but it can be the
most
> fertile grounds for sowing the seeds of a seduction and OWNING them.
He
> always played the part of the strong one that THEY needed. He didn't
need
> them.
>
> 6. If he was getting sufficient resistance, he would simply confront
their
> behavior.
My primary is ALWAYS my best friend. If I told anyone on this NG to
ask my current primary to start naming off what 4 people she would
choose to be in her lifeboat I garun-fucking-tee you my name would be
the first one out of her mouth. How do I know this? Because she was so
taken by the story and how it relates to her personal relationships in
life that she now judges EVERY-FUCKING-BODY by whether or not she
would want them in her lifeboat or not :-) Also, I've lived up to my
claims. I actually do LIVE MY CONVICTIONS and make no bones about it
to others. If they don't like what I know to be true and factual they
know unequivocally that I will tell them to go fuck themselves. They
also know I give credit where credit is do and will be the first to
admit if I'm wrong about something even if it's to a person I can't
fucking stand. I don't appear needy because I don't LIVE needy. And
that's what I mean by internalizing and owning your own shit in life.
Until you do that, you will NEVER understand what the fuck is really
going on.
>
> 7. Rejection didn't phase him, he would continue until he got them
hooked.
> He saw rejection as ONLY TEMPORARY.
Critical understanding here. Given the right set of circumstances,
developing the patience to create a game plan, and becoming an expert
communicator/listener and ALL rejection from ANY source is only
temporary. One thing in life is certain. Every thing is continually
changing minute by fucking minute. Your job is to recognize and be
aware that this is occurring and be prepared to take action when an
advantage is presented to you. It's ok if you fail, but it's not ok if
you do nothing. So I repeat what I've said before on this NG:
If you want to succeed more, fail more.
Kakol
Michael S.
I'll try to give you a basic explanation.
Reflective Listening is a way to get someone to open up and reveal their
innermost feelings. Like I mentioned earlier, Sigmund Frued found that it
had an interesting side effect. His female patients fell in love with him
even when they could not see him while they were talking. It gives them the
feeling of being DEEPLY understood and connected. They felt more connected
and understood by him than even their own family or ANYONE in their life.
Like MrNYC says, his girls tell him things that NOBODY else knows.
One of the keys to effective Reflective Listening is being NON JUDGEMENTAL.
In other words, when she does reveal something to you, the LAST thing you
want to do is judge her feelings as being silly or unfounded. If she FREAKS
after breaking a fingernail, most men would tell her she is being silly, or
don't worry about such a trivial thing. It is NOT trivial to her or she
wouldn't be freaking, and for you to downplay her feelings enforces her
idea that you don't understand her.
A better response would be..
HER: freaking over broken fingernail.
YOU: It sound like you are frustrated and upset.
HER: YES, that is exactly how I feel. My mother had such nice pretty nails
and no matter how hard I try, I can't ever seem to have nice nails like
her.
YOU: You admire your mother's nails and it's frustrating to not have her
nails?
HER: YES, that is how I feel. It's one of those things that I remember most
about my childhood. My mother had the prettiest, most feminine, loving
hands.
YOU: It sounds like your mother"s loving hands are a treasured memory for
you?
HER: OH, YOU ARE SO RIGHT ! Her hands made me feel loved, and secure, and
protected. She cooked our meals, mended our injuries, dried our tears....
and always, her nails and hands were SO beautifull, and her nails were so
perfect and polished.
I guess you can see where this is going. It is called REFLECTIVE because
you REFLECT their feelings back at them to show them that you understand
how they feel. Don't judge, don't sympathize, don't take sides, just listen
and try to sum-up how they are feeling and REFLECT it back at them. If
they open-up to you and you JUDGE their feelings, it will be a long time
before they truly open-up to you again. Don't give advice! When women talk
about their problems, they are not looking for solutions, they are looking
for UNDERTANDING as to how they feel.
This differs a bit from ASF or SS in that initially you don't try to STEER
the discussion, let them ramlbe if they want. Let them open-up at their own
speed to develop trust. Don't push too hard to open them up. Once the
foundation of trust and understanding is built, then you can extract their
TRUE values, trance words, etc. If you judge or take sides concerning their
feelings they will either shut-up, or tell you what they think you want to
hear. Then you have elicited values that mean nothing.
I always use a mental image of Sigmund Frued when I do this.... an image
of a strong authority figure who is completely impartial, somewhat
detached, aloof, and completly non judgemental. That mental image will fade
away as I concentrate on what they are saying. Sustained eye contact and
mirroring can increase their feelings of being connected and understood,
but you can also do it over the phone.... and it works.
If you use RL properly, you can give them the feeling of understanding and
connection that they have NEVER experienced before. When they let you deep
inside of their internal dialogue, it is only a matter of time till they
let you into "Other" places. And once you have gotten deeply inside, it
makes leading their imagination a breeze.
I hope this helps????
Michael S.
Dee <dee_s...@hotmail.com> wrote in article
<9ggtr2$8u9kt$1...@ID-81486.news.dfncis.de>...
Fatass
I had this "just friends" girl buddy about ten years ago. Always
wanted to pop her but never knew how to cross the line. One night we
went out for pizza, and right out of the blue she starts telling me
about how she had been amusing herself lately: She was having two guys
come over to her apartment, get stoned with her, and fuck the shit out
of her. "It just happens", she said.
WHAT DO YOU THINK SHE WAS TRYING TO TELL ME?
WHAT DO YOU THINK I DID?
I'll tell you what I did: I started lecturing her on how she should
be careful because blah blah blah...
She *NEVER* spoke to me again. Never.
And I don't blame her.
Learn to listen and to act on what you hear, or live the rest of your
life like me, knowing that I BLEW THE EASIEST PIECE OF ASS I WAS EVER
OFFERED!!! God damn it.
MrSex4uNYC
>it, my father seemed to structure his heirarchy or women in the same
>manner.
it's quite similar to the military because 90% of the time, I know what's best
or at least RIGHT for me... and 90% of the time, I know what's best/right for
the HB as well, having elicited her values and knowing certain BASIC ways to
entertain/please women that are mainly universal. because of that, I SHOULD be
making the decisions, because my decisions benefit both parties in the
relationship.
also, I have to have CONTROL in my relationships. it is a prerequisite for the
HB to receive the gifts I have the ability to bring into her life. this is
where MANY chicks fail my screen. they want to maintain some form of control
in the relationship or have it as an equal partnership or something. that's
impossible because I am a leader... never a follower. in any "team" situation
I am involved in, even if I appear to be following, I am leading... myself...
if not others who ALSO appear to be following the leader. I might even be
leading by quietly influencing the team leader, so what he leads the group to
do is as much my will as his. this is natural to me. I have been like this
ever since I can remember. also, I know what I want to do when I want to do
it. I am not interested in what an HB wants to do, because unless I don't care
at all what I do, and am willing to do ANYTHING, I have a better idea how to
spend my time today :) the catch is that even though we don't do the ACTIVITY
that she wants to do, since I know her core values and keep feeding them to
her, SHE has a great time doing what *I* wanted to do... every time. that's my
job as the leader... making sure that we BOTH have a good time.
unfortunately, CONTROL is an illusion :) a guy doesn't really control all the
things he thinks he does. I have fucked girls, some practically immediately,
that have told me they have "boyfriends". from the boyfriend's side of things,
he sees a faithful girlfriend. I see a human being that has free will and will
do whatever her emotions tell her to do that she believes will not rock the
boat of her reputation or her day-in day-out existance. what happens when she
is permanently tired of being your girlfriend? she leaves you. what happens
when she is temporarily (even for TEN MINUTES) tired of being your girlfriend,
and a good opportinity is in her face? she cheats. there is no CONTROL over
women... except when they CONTROL THEMSELVES in your best interests :)
they have to WANT to follow you. it's the difference between the military
draft and volunteering for service. the volunteers WANT to be in the services
(at least they think so until they get there). they know the hierarchy and
they knowingly and GLADLY devote themselves to being part of the machine. when
you put them through basic training, some pass and some fail. the dangerous
ones are the ones that pass the physical, but are mentally unable or
disinterested in following orders. if your campaign DEPENDS upon several
thousand "grunts" storming a beach, with most of them facing certain death, you
have to be SURE that IN THEIR MINDS, their DEVOTION to you or the cause you are
fighting for... is worth DYING for if that's what it comes down to.
I have to have a chick hand over her power to me if I am going to give her "the
works". doing what I do to chicks involves all of my waking hours, and
everywhere I go. there is no telling when I will feel like hugging her or
kissing her or getting horny with her... and when I feel it, I do it. if she
hasn't granted me TOTAL access to her body and total CONTROL over the time that
we spend together, I will run into roadblocks that take me out of the mood to
please her. it is in HER best interests that she submits to me COMPLETELY,
because the end result for her is her ultimate satisfaction. in the best case
scenario, she gets DOUBLE the satisfaction because I am pleased that I got to
do what I wanted when I wanted to and had a beautiful woman along with me and
expressed myself FREELY to her mentally AND physically with no obstacles
whatsoever... and SHE made that happen for me. at the end of the day, she
knows that she has pleased me by allowing me to please her :)
also, I am not interested in an equal. chicks to me are entertainment... a
beautiful ADDITION to life. for the most part, one is just as good as the next
one as long as they turn me on sexually, and have decent personalities. what
good would it do to be with a woman that can't/won't follow orders? why do you
think Clinton had Monica under the desk while he was conducting official
government business? can you see Hillary on her knees under the president's
desk blowing him? no :) neither could he! neither could she! even if
Hillary would have blown the president, Monica would have been better because
of her DESIRE TO PLEASE "HER MAN". Clinton needs one woman to bear his
children and pass on good genes to the next generation and be his spokeswoman.
he needs OTHER WOMEN to get what he WANTS from women... sex and blowjobs...
being that he has decided that getting blown is NOT having sex... with that
woman... :)
>Maybe that is the key to juggling mulitple women. I find that I can
>only handle about 1-3 in my life at one time.
if you haven't read it already, do a search on fastseduction.com for Svengali's
MLTR Theory. if you aren't already aware of it, it can give you an interesting
model on juggling women. the cream rises to the top :) before I adopted the
idea of a primary relationship, I saw all chicks as basically equal... to
themselves of course, not to ME :) the thing that made juggling chicks very
easy was that on their end, for the most part they had nothing better to do
because they were dating AFCs that couldn't make them feel like having sex with
them, though they would take them out and buy them things all the time... and
on my end, I saw them as just about PURELY physical recreation. what they
thought and what they wanted and what they were talking about would go in one
ear and out the other, because all I was doing was jockeying for position to
start up kino and lay her. that's what I was with her for. that's what she
was made for. because of this, I would spend just about ZERO time on
"relationship" things, and ALL of our time on horny things. this was another
reason I enjoyed laying "taken" girls... besides the fact that they can't ask
me for a relationship because they are already involved in one, they had NO
LEVERAGE with me whatsoever. if they wanted ANYTHING that was outside the
scope of me hanging out with them or having sex with them, the answer was "ask
your boyfriend". period. "buy me some flowers" => "tell your boyfriend to buy
you flowers". it was clear to the chicks what I was with them for and that I
didn't give a damn about their dramas and emotional issues. these things were
left out completely... with the taken chicks AND the single chicks, so
effectively, the only time I had to spend on them was the traveling time to get
to where they were and the time to physically enjoy their presence and the
traveling time to get back to my home base... or to the next chick's house if I
was making multiple stops in one day :)
this lifestyle is loads of fun :) but it is easy to get distracted with
quantity and ignore QUALITY. we all have to search ourselves and decide what
our goal is in "the game". is it to be married? to have a girlfriend? to
have serveral simultaneous girlfriends? to have several girls that you are
just having sex with? to have the ability to correctly sarge ANY WOMAN that we
encounter, given the time, energy and desire on our part? to get our skills
together for when we meet "the one"? to just have the CONFIDENCE to be able to
dictate the rules in our social lives?
DJ
wrote:
>Hi,
>
>well , if you want to learn something about active/reflecitve listening
>you can visit on the link , here:
>
>http://crs.uvm.edu/nnco/communsupp/work2.html
>
This one is better than the other IMO. It is alot like EV - repeating
back the phrases that she used - do not problem solve.
You seem (feeling)......Because (reason for feeling)
Her : I worried about my exams
Me : You seem concerned (feeling) about how you are doing at school
(reason for feeling).
David Johnson
http://mindiscovery.itgo.com
NLP & SS
We only learn from failure...
BC
psychology textbooks I have (I'm a psych major, btw). Although it's been
developped by Freud, I think a lot of humanistic-centered psychologists use
it now, after Carl Rogers refined it a bit. I guess one method one could
possibly see it used in real life is to go to a therapist specializing in
it, complain about some bogus symptoms, and attend for one or two
sessions...then again, since most everyone has some kinds of issues in their
lives, maybe it could be beneficial in an unexpected way ;)
"Michael S." <LionS...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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Jonathan Ashton
> these are the benefits of value elicitation and learning
> the right buttons to push and continually pushing them,
> like you mention later.
> >Yet he would continue to give them "fixes" of their
> >particular psychological feel-good drug of choice,
> >which he uncovered using RL.
> >4. He had NO problem being friends with them and would use
> >it to his advantage. It's ok to be friends if you don't
> >supplicate and continue to get them hooked on what you have
> >to offer. Drug addicts are not made overnight, and addicts
> >to YOU are not always made overnight.
>
> the more they experience other guys, the better you look.
> if you are willing to take the time to do a long-term sarge,
> this leads directly to ownership.
Michael S & MrSex,
Can you guys give a few examples of these "feel-good drugs of choice"
you've elicited from actual women? There's been lots of talk of
this sort of elicitation, but not enough real-life examples. I have
the feeling that I'm failing to recognize these "drugs of choice" when
I elicit them, because I really have no idea what I'm looking for.
Thanks,
Ash
Jonathan Ashton
> My formula is Challenge X Doubt = Desire. I'll share this with the
> group sometime but it's pretty involved for posting on a NG.
Please do.
> As I get older I'm finding that I'm having to change my game for
> younger chycks this way too. I almost have to wade through a couple of
> STR's with guys their own age with the fucking chycks in order to
> guide them onto my dick by teaching them how to be in command of their
> relationships with young guys. That also answers the question that
> some have asked here regarding whether SS techniques work on guys. The
> answer is yes. :-)
>
> Once I've been their GF for a while by letting them come to me with
> all their relationship problems and shown them how to have the guy
> groveling at their fucking feet for attention, they no longer want the
> guy because he looks like a muscle bound, wimpy, cry baby. Where do
> you think they're going to turn for the attention of a real man that
> can give them what those guys can't. That's right. Their new best male
> GF that has all the answers to their deepest desires and proved it by
> helping them get the results they thought they wanted with the guys
> they now perceive as losers. :-)
I'm very intrigued. So, which ideas/techniques do you teach
them first? And how do you adapt them for women? I have several
woman friends who could really use this stuff.
Thanks,
Ash
Gatto
NYC, I love your analytical stile of commenting posts,
your teaching would be really complete with a real life
dialogue report.
Thanks.
On 17 Jun 2001 23:04:16 -0700, jonatha...@my-deja.com (Jonathan
Michael S.
formula.
Kakol <k...@riverview.net> wrote in article
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MrSex4uNYC
it's really pretty simple. it's not at all what you are thinking... at least
what I'm talking about.
a particular chick's "feel-good drugs of choice" are the things (or maybe only
one thing) that really make her feel fulfilled at the end of the day. a very
simple one that works on most chicks is GREAT sex. of course, you have to be
involved with her already to give her this one, but it is good for an example.
you do not elicit this in the classic way that we always talk about. you have
to OBSERVE her behavior in context with everything else you have done over the
day. if you have a bad or mediocre day with a chick all the way through and
then you fuck the hell out of her and as she is leaving, she seems happy,
fulfilled... has only good things to say to you and is looking forward to your
next encounter, you have to look at what made "the day" good for her.
nothing... except that she is high right now from the sex you gave her.
another one that is less obvious, but can be done at way lower levels of
intimacy with a chick is laughter. not only does laughter break her state from
whatever she might be thinking about before it that might have been negative,
but if you share something really funny with a chick, you can bring it up over
and over with slight variations and have her laughing as much as you want.
this would only be useful for a girl for whom LAUGHTER is her "feel-good drug
of choice".
for some girls, it's hugs, because they put more meaning into it than really
exists. you might be hugging them because you like how her body feels pressed
against yours. she thinks it's romantic and sensual and blah blah blah. I was
just talking to this chick that I used to be involved with a couple of years
ago. she still has the same boyfriend that she had when I was with her, and
she is still cheating on him. she's fucked 4 guys other than him in the last
two months. actually, one of her "affairs" picked her up from her apartment
while I was on the phone with her :) while we were talking about her whoring,
she was telling me how it's strictly sex with the guys she is fucking. either
they are out drinking somewhere, or they are at her place fucking. there is no
in-between. she was telling me how she misses the way I would hold her and be
with her in a non-insistant fashion. she doesn't get anything like that from
the guys she is fucking OR from her boyfriend. if her boyfriend were to supply
her with this, it wouldn't stop her from whoring, because that's who she is,
and she's finally come to terms with that, though she STILL refuses to dump her
sappy boyfriend... for HIS OWN SAKE! :/ it wouldn's stop her, but he would be
giving her something valuable to her, instead of giving her things that HE
THIINKS are valuable to chicks. I tell you... when I was the guy fucking his
girl, I had contempt for him... now that I am a third-person observer while
guys run through his bitch like the finish line at a marathon, I only feel pity
for him :(
you will find these "drugs" by being with and observing the chick. sooner or
later, there will be something that she doesn't tell you on purpose...
something you pick up in conversation with her... something that you notice
that makes her smile a SPECIAL smile... THAT is her feel-good drug of choice.
it takes her to a special place... it's like a physical version of "our world".
she can be transported to happiness if you do this thing to her or give her
this thing or take her to this place.
another thing is looking in her eyes. if a chick is really enjoying the
connection that she has with you and you are looking in her eyes from right
near her, she can FEEL that all your attention is on her. she goes off into
fantasies that she is so important to you and you love her and blah blah blah,
and she gets teleported to a special place that makes her feel GREAT...
regardless of how she felt a minute ago or last night or whatever. whenever
you can interrupt her reality with a "slice of heaven", you can either keep
interrupting her and keep her there for a long time and let her absorb the
effects, or use that interruption whenever she is getting into a negative
state, so that by the end of the day, she is either high from your keeping her
happy for a long period of time, or she is satisfied because she didn't dwell
on the negative for very long today... only on the positive. when she looks
back over the day, she has all sweet memories, and she will thank you for that,
and mark that day in her journal as A) being with you and B) having a
wonderful time.
Dante II
Phillips. OR your father read their books VERY carefully. OR you did
and you're mixing varied sources. It's not just that the ideas (from
your point 2 down) are the same. The word choices (including the
equation and "reflective listening") are almost identical.
In my experience, there are limits to what they have to offer--where
SS and McKnight/Phillips conflict, SS is often better. I've found
that the friend-first method is very tough to pull off. And while
reflective listening is a good thing to mix in, it's overrated. If
you're with a chatterbox, you can do nothing but. But when you're
with a more quiet chick, it will lead fast to a crash and burn. Good
storytelling and patterning are more important. Last--and most
important--McKnight/Phillips give EXACTLY THE SAME ADVICE TO MEN AND
WOMEN! I think most RAFCs, let alone the PUAs, will have red lights
go off the moment they hear this.
I think this offers interesting ideas for the group, however. I hope
we get some feedback on mixing varied things up.
"Michael S." <LionS...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<01c0f6a3$91916160$55ee6620@default>...
Dee
Similar to what I've read before, but put across with a new way of looking
at it. I'll be working on this.
Dee
"Michael S." <LionS...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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Gauss
>HER: freaking over broken fingernail.
>YOU: It sound like you are frustrated and upset.
>
>HER: YES, that is exactly how I feel. My mother had such nice pretty nails
>and no matter how hard I try, I can't ever seem to have nice nails like
>her.
>
>YOU: You admire your mother's nails and it's frustrating to not have her
>nails?
One question which arises in my mind is, don't women freak at this because
they think you're trying to psychoanalyze them or something like that? If
someone were to start doing that to me, it wouldn't be long before I was
asking them "what the hell are you, a psych major or something?".
But then again... (guy_logic != chick_logic).
--
Gauss
monopod
Gauss <byz...@operamail.spamblock.com> wrote in message
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Ohhohohoh, that's actually a good thing that happens in my PU's. When
chicks bring up the psych major (especially in the University setting where
"what's your major" is the 2nd question asked on meeting a new person), it's
an awesome chance to talk about things like forging connections between two
people, playing the cube game, talking about erotic relationships between
therapists and patients, sex and the mind, etc. That major might have me
bent over backwards to get my diploma, but it's so worth the PU'ing it
helps.
Seth
delivery.. what is again xx% of communication is non-verbal, and xx% of
verbal communication is not actually "what" you say.. (ok, xx isn't really
helpful but they were both big numbers!)
You could say "I just fucked a chicken" and get whatever response you wanted
if you delivered it right.. so with below it is best to appear interested
and sincere.. remember, just because YOU are consciously aware of the
structure of your language doesn't mean the person you're doing it to is..
hence the power of all this stuff (kind, SS, NLP.. blah blah)..