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Feisty

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Source:
FROM THE FILES OF THE FBI 245
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/msg/6ceec537374ad8ee?hl=en&

Brochure:

[photo: side view of ship]
OPERATION AND TRANSPORT CORPORATION LTD.

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[photo: front view of ship with buildings behind it]
YACHT APOLLO PANAMA

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Operation and Transport Corporation Ltd., (known simply as OTC.) is a
large International business organization.

The Yacht "Apollo" is one of the private yachts owned by OTC and used for
business management and business training purposes.

OTC has found that a large yacht such as the "Apollo", ideally combines
business activities with mobility, for first-hand observation of widely
spread business interests. Add to this, the [?]omance and excitement of
sea cruises in a changing variety of pleasant ports-of-call, and you have
something of the unique atmosphere that OTC Directors have created for
their company members and their business operations.

OTC is independently financed by its own activities around the world and
in entirely non-political in nature.

Of great interest are the company's modern research activities, -
reflecting the progress-minded policy of the company.

An important contribution to the business world has been the discovery of
the exact basic steps that comprise and make for the successful
administration of any organization or business.

Recently research was done into a world famous wine industry, to ascertain
how it has survived so well and how it has continued to make, for more
than 200 years, a product of extremely high quality without loss of
technology or deterioration.

Practical training alongside skilled masters and other highly trained
specialists of the industry, was found to be the prime factor in the
preservation of the technology and the continued excellence of the
product.

Further observation revealed this exact same factor to lie behind the
successful continuation of all skilled professions passed successfully
down through the ages.

[photo: man seated, woman standing, both smiling]
caption: Wives and families aboard assist with secretarial and other
tasks.
Youthful members of company families work as crew members aboard the
Yachts.

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[photo: two men, facing away from the camera, one pointing to something on
the wall that is not discernable in this xerox copy]

[photo: group of men standing in front of a row of large wine barrels]

OTC applied this important principle to the field of business management
and training and it is now in broad use.

The superior business systems and management skills developed by OTC are,
of course, used by the company to manage and expand its own concerns.
They are also made available on request, to other businesses and groups.
Some of these are --

Business Management systems,
Public relations,
Tourism,
Data Analysis Technology,
Business Administration,
Personnel Training procedurs,
Business Organizing.

Local businesses or groups interested in information on the above services
are invited to enquire to --

OTC Ltd.,
Field Sales Division 8,
P.O. Box 1065
Copenhagen, K,
Denmark.

On board the Yacht "Apollo" the atmosphere is a friendly one. Guests are
received warmly.

Company representatives come from the many western countries where OTC and
client companies have business offices and interests.

The large Yacht has two Captains. One, the Sea Captain, ensures safe and
smooth cruises, and the other, the Port Captain, is responsible for port
and shore relations.

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[photo: group of people standing on a hillside?]

[phots: group of people standing in front of a ship]

[photo: three children--all girls--seated at a table; one appears to be
blowing out candles on a cake]

[photo: group of five men and one woman standing in conversation with
drinks and cigarettes]

The Yacht Apollo has an illustrious history.

She was built in 1936 in Belfast, Ireland and used as a passenger ferry.
At the beginning of the Second World War she was requisitioned by the
British Royal Navy for active duty.

Her war record is a proud one.

She was used for important landing operations in Norway and the south of
France. She carried reinforcements to Iceland, disembarked troops at
Casablanca and traveled a total of 11,000 miles of North African coast, as
a transport.

As Flagship of the British Royal Navy she carried the important
personalities - Admiral Cunningham, General Sir Maitland Wilson

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[photo: two men in nautical uniforms standing behind some sort of nautical
equipment]

caption: OTC take great prid in the safety of their vessels and visitors
may sometimes see safety drills being conducted by the officers and crew.
These drills help make the "Apollo" one of the safest ships afloat.

[photo: man standing in what appears to be a lifeboat; "APOLLO" is written
on the bow]

(Commander-in-Chief of the British Mediterrean operations), and Admiral
Tronbridge.

Admiral Cunningham said of this valiant ship: "It was of vital importance
for the victory of the Tunis Campaign."

In 1945 the ship became headquarters for "Operation Anvil", an important
war campaign.

In the final stages of the war, the Prime Minister of England, Sir Winston
Churchill, lived aboard and personally supervised the war operations while
encouraging the troops with his presence.

In 1945 the ship returned to her former peace time services.

Later she was sold and used for various cruise purposes. Then, sold again
to her present owners, Operation and Transport Corporation, Ltd., she
assumed the new and important phase of her illustrious career.

In contrast to her prominent role in the Second World War, the Apollo is
now prominent in the field of business management.

And while the Apollo space craft explore the moon in outer space, Yacht
Apollo of OTC Ltd leads the way into better and more efficient procedures
in the world of business.

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Android Cat

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Sep 29, 2005, 11:04:40 PM9/29/05
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Looks like the Scotsman had a much better war record than Hubbard!
(Although checking everything CoS says about it is a good idea.)
http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:Tek8Gv9qdKsJ:jnh.nce.buttobi.net/RN_officersA4.html+%22Royal+Scotsman%22+vessel+1936&hl=en
http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:tHGslQkKE4gJ:jnh.nce.buttobi.net/RNR_officers.html+%22Royal+Scotsman%22+vessel+1936&hl=en

The term "yacht" for the Apollo is a pile of dog-poo. (Granted the term is
pretty flexible.)

> The Yacht Apollo has an illustrious history.
>
> She was built in 1936 in Belfast, Ireland and used as a passenger
> ferry. At the beginning of the Second World War she was requisitioned
> by the British Royal Navy for active duty.
>
> Her war record is a proud one.
>
> She was used for important landing operations in Norway and the south
> of France. She carried reinforcements to Iceland, disembarked troops
> at Casablanca and traveled a total of 11,000 miles of North African
> coast, as a transport.
>
> As Flagship of the British Royal Navy she carried the important
> personalities - Admiral Cunningham, General Sir Maitland Wilson

> (Commander-in-Chief of the British Mediterrean operations), and
> Admiral Tronbridge.
>
> Admiral Cunningham said of this valiant ship: "It was of vital
> importance for the victory of the Tunis Campaign."
>
> In 1945 the ship became headquarters for "Operation Anvil", an
> important war campaign.
>
> In the final stages of the war, the Prime Minister of England, Sir
> Winston Churchill, lived aboard and personally supervised the war
> operations while encouraging the troops with his presence.
>
> In 1945 the ship returned to her former peace time services.
>
> Later she was sold and used for various cruise purposes. Then, sold
> again to her present owners, Operation and Transport Corporation,
> Ltd., she assumed the new and important phase of her illustrious
> career.

http://simplonpc.co.uk/HandWStandards3-BandL.html#anchor76558

Various cruise purposes ... hahahaha!
"She was the *Royal Scotsman*, a 3280-ton motor vessel built in 1936 and
most recently in service as a cattle ferry on the Irish Channel crossing."
It's likely that "cattle" isn't meant literally. i.e. "a cattle run" Also,
the ship was specifically built as an Irish Channel ferry.

--
Ron of that ilk.


Feisty

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"Android Cat" <androi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:328b2$433cab58$cf706d59$11...@PRIMUS.CA...

Yes, checking the facts are of importance. Was the Operation and Transport Corp the
beginning of the business management, or the business that underlies the entirety of
$cientology, or both? Was the originating point of the Sea Org, the same as the business
courses offered on this vessel in 1967, like this brochure states? There is no mention of
$cientology in that brochure, unless it also a front for business manaegment at that
point. (or vice versa.) The start of this business was literally, "offshore?" Sounds like
the records were in Copenhagen, but I'm not quite sure and totally understand the lineage
of vessels and their purposes. '67 seems to be an interesting date though.

1967:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Scientology#Sea_Org

The Sea Organization—most often shortened to "Sea Org"—was founded in 1967 by L. Ron
Hubbard, as he embarked on a series of voyages around the Mediterranean Sea in a small
fleet of Scientology-crewed cruise ships.

Members sign a contract pledging their loyalty to Scientology for "the next billion
years," committing their future lifetimes to the Sea Org. The Sea Org's motto is
"Revenimus" (or "We Come Back").

This may have nothing to do with it, but a strangely dated, "for profit" dissolution by
merger was filed in 1967 in CW. Did any other relevant events take place in CW in 1967?
http://www.sunbiz.org/corpweb/inquiry/corinam.html "OTC"


http://www.sunbiz.org/scripts/cordet.exe?a1=DETFIL&n1=288923&n2=NAMFWD&n3=0000&n4=N&r1=&r2=&r3=&r4=OTC&r5=


Division of Corporations - Public Access
Florida Profit
O T C CORP 288923 INACT/MG

O T C CORP

PRINCIPAL ADDRESS
NONE

MAILING ADDRESS
NONE

Document Number
288923 FEI Number
000000000 Date Filed
01/19/1965
State
FL Status
INACTIVE Effective Date
NONE
Last Event
MERGED Event Date Filed
03/22/1967 Event Effective Date
NONE

Officer/Director Detail
Name & Address Title
NONE

Annual Reports
Report Year Filed Date

View Events
No Name History Information

Document Images
Listed below are the images available for this filing.

No images are available for this filing.

THIS IS NOT OFFICIAL RECORD; SEE DOCUMENTS IF QUESTION OR CONFLICT
Corporate Inquiry Corporations Inquiry Help

==="view events" shows merged into no 220858, nothing comes up on FEI inquiry

O T C CORP

Document Number
288923 Date Filed
01/19/1965 Effective Date
None Status
Inactive

MERGER 03/22/1967 MERGING INTO: 220858

>
> The term "yacht" for the Apollo is a pile of dog-poo. (Granted the term is
> pretty flexible.)

business yacht cruise better choice for sales brochure, rather than business ferry?

too much -- LOL!


Feisty

Piltdown Man

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Android Cat <androi...@hotmail.com> wrote...

<snip>


> http://simplonpc.co.uk/HandWStandards3-BandL.html#anchor76558
>
> Various cruise purposes ... hahahaha!
> "She was the *Royal Scotsman*, a 3280-ton motor vessel built in 1936 and
> most recently in service as a cattle ferry on the Irish Channel
> crossing."
> It's likely that "cattle" isn't meant literally. i.e. "a cattle run"
> Also, the ship was specifically built as an Irish Channel ferry.

It's not likely at all. Cattle ferry simply means what it says, literally.
Her last commercial use before Hubbard bought her was transporting cattle
across the Irish Channel, after she'd become too worn-out to transport
people. A lot of cattle raised in Ireland used to be shipped across for
slaughter in Britain (I don't know whether this still happens), and there
were ferries specifically for this trade. The webpage you cite has a
picture of another one of these, the Lairdsglen, owned by the same company
that owned the Royal Scotsman. After she'd become too decrepit to even
serve as a cattle transport, Hubbard bought her as his "yacht". Given the
low price he paid for her, and the fact that even after repairs she
couldn't get a British certificate of seaworthiness and pretty much fell to
pieces when he took her out on the Atlantic, she was clearly on the verge
of being sold for scrap.

Android Cat

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Yes, but... the Lairdsglen was clearly designed and configured for cargo
like cattle, including cranes. If the Royal Scotsman had been used to
primarily transport cattle, I'd guess (IANAS) that it would have been pretty
bad at it without extensive modifications. Except that there's no mention
in Bare-Faced Messiah of any refit to unmodify it. (Unlike the time spent
cleaning the fishing trawler Avon River and the dinky schooner Enchanter.)
They were loading stuff from Saint Hill within days. And why would the
previous owners modify it back before selling it for £60,000? Besides,
doesn't seem any time for all of this.

From the Royal Scotsman/Ulsterman text: "Both sisters entered service in
June 1936 on the Glasgow-Belfast night service, which they operated until
October 1967." (Doesn't mention the war gap) From the Scotish Coast text
"She ran the Glasgow-Belfast service after the withdrawal of Royal
Scotsman/Ulsterman, closing the route in September 1969."

The Royal Scotsman might have been withdrawn from that route before October
1967 since CoS heard about it in September 1967, but didn't have it until
November:

"In September, they reported by telex that they had found,
laid up in Aberdeen, just the ship that Ron was looking for. She was


the *Royal Scotsman*, a 3280-ton motor vessel built in 1936 and most
recently in service as a cattle ferry on the Irish Channel crossing.

Despite her age, she was in good condition and could probably be
bought, von Staden and Pook thought, for not much more than £60,000."

"The *Royal Scotsman*, meanwhile, had left Aberdeen but had run foul
of the Board of Trade, the British agency responsible for the safety
of ships registered in the United Kingdom. On 7 November, a solicitor
acting for the new owners of the *Royal Scotsman*, had telephoned the
Board of Trade in London and asked if the ship could be re-registered
as a pleasure yacht and cleared for a voyage to Gibraltar."

Possibly the regular Glasgow-Belfast run included some cattle on the hold,
but I think I'd want to see references that the Royal Scotsman was used
exclusively as a "cattle ferry" for any length of time.

Piltdown Man

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Android Cat <androi...@hotmail.com> wrote...

<snip>


> Yes, but... the Lairdsglen was clearly designed and configured for cargo
> like cattle, including cranes. If the Royal Scotsman had been used to
> primarily transport cattle, I'd guess (IANAS) that it would have been
> pretty bad at it without extensive modifications.

IANAS either, but I've tried to find out more about the matter on the web.
Both Jon Atack and Russell Miller mention the Royal Scotsman having been a
cattle ferry in the years before she was laid up, and it would indeed be
nice to have some more corroboration for this claim. (Isn't it strange into
what unsuspected areas an interest in Scientology history can lead one?)

I didn't manage to find anything very specific, but I did stumble across
the proceedings of a debate in the Irish Senate from 1965
(http://historical-debates.oireachtas.ie/S/0058/S.0058.196503100005.html).
The Irish government had decided to buy one of the major shipping companies
on the Channel crossing, the "British and Irish Steam Packet Company", to
ensure an Irish presence in what had apparently been an almost exclusively
British field of business. The comments of the various senators and the
government minister involved do throw some light on the Irish Channel
traffic in the 1960's, when the Royal Scotsman was serving out her last
years of useful life.

As far as I can glean from this debate, the larger ships on the Channel
crossing, like the R.S., were "passenger/cargo/cattle vessels", IOW, they
were conceived from the design stage to carry all three kinds of traffic.
The smaller vessels operated by the British & Irish Company (who had a
close working relationship with Burns & Laird, the owners of the R.S.) ran
"cargo or cattle services". This suggests to me that "cargo" and "cattle"
were pretty much synonymous. This isn't surprising, especially in the
Ireland-to-Britain direction it's hard to think of what kind of non-cattle
cargo Ireland would have had to export in those days. There are also
general mentions to the effect that the treatment of passengers on the
Irish Channel services was apparently so dismal at that time that most
people tried to avoid them if they could afford it, by flying.

As to the mechanics of getting cattle on and off a ship, my assumption
would be that the cattle would all be crated, just as it is when
transported on lorries these days. I'd think any ship that could carry
large crates of goods would be able to carry crated cattle, especially in
an age when animal welfare wasn't taken as seriously as it is today, and on
the short Irish Channel hops, which lasted a few hours at most. But again,
IANAS either.

> Except that there's no mention
> in Bare-Faced Messiah of any refit to unmodify it. (Unlike the time
> spent cleaning the fishing trawler Avon River and the dinky schooner
> Enchanter.)

There are plenty of mentions of extensive work and unspecified "repairs"
being done on the Royal Scot(s)man, over a period of at least nine months.
She was apparently never hauled up on slips like the other two smaller
ships, she was probably too big for that anyway (at least within Hubbard's
budget). But immediately after he bought her there was the conflict with
the Board of Trade, who required Hubbard to do extensive modifications
before he could re-register her as a "pleasure yacht", which he tried to
get around unsuccessfully by re-registering her as a whaling ship, and then
more successfully by re-registering her in Sierra Leone. If she'd still
been licensed to carry human passengers across the Irish Channel until just
before Hubbard bought her, why would bringing her up to scratch as a
"pleasure yacht" have been so much trouble? It is impossible to determine
from Bare-Faced Messiah just what kind of modifications the R.S. underwent
subsequently, and where. Hubbard acquired her in September 1967, then there
followed the whole vaudeville of the illegal flight from Britain to the
Mediterranean, wandering through several ports, during which time she was
clearly not seaworthy. The first mention of her as a newly-seaworthy vessel
is in June 1968.

> They were loading stuff from Saint Hill within days. And why would the
> previous owners modify it back before selling it for £60,000? Besides,
> doesn't seem any time for all of this.

I don't see why a ship that used to carry mainly or exclusively crated
cattle couldn't carry people or "stuff from Saint Hill" without
modifications.

> From the Royal Scotsman/Ulsterman text: "Both sisters entered service in
> June 1936 on the Glasgow-Belfast night service, which they operated until
> October 1967." (Doesn't mention the war gap)

That does show this history is anything but exhaustive, since it misses out
the war years when both were requisitioned as military transports. It also
doesn't mention whether that Glasgow-Belfast night service was anything
other than a cattle/cargo service by the 1960s.

> From the Scotish Coast text
> "She ran the Glasgow-Belfast service after the withdrawal of Royal
> Scotsman/Ulsterman, closing the route in September 1969."
>

> Possibly the regular Glasgow-Belfast run included some cattle on the
> hold, but I think I'd want to see references that the Royal Scotsman

> as used exclusively as a "cattle ferry" for any length of time.

It would be nice to have a conclusive statement from an expert on this
rather arcane subject, but I haven't been able to locate one on the net.

Android Cat

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If it was only cargo/cattle, why even put the Scottish Coast on the run
after the Royal Scotsman/Ulsterman and standby Irish Coast were withdrawn?
(Politics, sure.)

>> From the Scotish Coast text
>> "She ran the Glasgow-Belfast service after the withdrawal of Royal
>> Scotsman/Ulsterman, closing the route in September 1969."
>>
>> Possibly the regular Glasgow-Belfast run included some cattle on the
>> hold, but I think I'd want to see references that the Royal Scotsman
>> as used exclusively as a "cattle ferry" for any length of time.
>
> It would be nice to have a conclusive statement from an expert on this
> rather arcane subject, but I haven't been able to locate one on the
> net.

Nice digging.

The main problem with crated beef would be cranes and useful cargo hatches
for loading. However, since a lot of the ferry traffic involved cargo from
the start, perhaps its design is better at it than it appears and dock
cranes were used.

I guess that it's safe to say that there was indeed cow poop in the Royal
Scot(s)man's hold when it was bought, but I'm still not sure yet if calling
it a "cattle ferry" was entirely fair.

Hmm, there's no mention of the Scottish Coast (Princesa Amorosa) being
scrapped. Imagine dressing it up in Sea Org colours and sailing it into
Clearwater, complete with a screaming fat man on deck?

Zinj

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In article <56a0d$4362ee1d$cf706d8a$46...@PRIMUS.CA>, androidcat98
@hotmail.com says...

<snip>

> I guess that it's safe to say that there was indeed cow poop in the Royal
> Scot(s)man's hold when it was bought, but I'm still not sure yet if calling
> it a "cattle ferry" was entirely fair.

Bullshit Barge?

Zinj
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- The Tick

Android Cat

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Oct 29, 2005, 12:16:07 AM10/29/05
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Zinj wrote:
> In article <56a0d$4362ee1d$cf706d8a$46...@PRIMUS.CA>, androidcat98
> @hotmail.com says...
>
> <snip>
>
>> I guess that it's safe to say that there was indeed cow poop in the
>> Royal Scot(s)man's hold when it was bought, but I'm still not sure
>> yet if calling it a "cattle ferry" was entirely fair.
>
> Bullshit Barge?

After CoS bought it, definitely! :^)

It is Valuable Final Product. It is strong and promotes growth!

Zinj

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In article <85001$4362f796$cf706d8a$15...@PRIMUS.CA>, androidcat98
@hotmail.com says...
> Zinj wrote:

<snip>

> >> I guess that it's safe to say that there was indeed cow poop in the
> >> Royal Scot(s)man's hold when it was bought, but I'm still not sure
> >> yet if calling it a "cattle ferry" was entirely fair.
> >
> > Bullshit Barge?
>
> After CoS bought it, definitely! :^)
>
> It is Valuable Final Product. It is strong and promotes growth!

Cower for me Cult
I am Ace Alliterator

Mike Gormez

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"On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 23:35:32 -0400, "Android Cat"
<androi...@hotmail.com> wrote in
<56a0d$4362ee1d$cf706d8a$46...@PRIMUS.CA>:

>The main problem with crated beef would be cranes and useful cargo hatches
>for loading. However, since a lot of the ferry traffic involved cargo from
>the start, perhaps its design is better at it than it appears and dock
>cranes were used.

Seems so
http://simplonpc.co.uk/Coast%20Lines/BurnsLaird/RoyalScotsman05.jpg


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In article <01c5dc3b$49703a00$LocalHost@gateway>,
"Piltdown Man" <pilt...@ivehaditwiththespam.sorry> wrote:

> This isn't surprising, especially in the
> Ireland-to-Britain direction it's hard to think of what kind of non-cattle
> cargo Ireland would have had to export in those days.

Guiness has always been irelands biggest export, not counting its people.


>There are also
>> general mentions to the effect that the treatment of passengers on the
> Irish Channel services was apparently so dismal at that time that most
> people tried to avoid them if they could afford it, by flying.
>
> As to the mechanics of getting cattle on and off a ship, my assumption
> would be that the cattle would all be crated,

Cattle are transported on the hoof. They are only crated for air travel.

Cattle are very easy to maneurver with a little hay in front and a prod
to the rear.

Crating cattle to transport would be a tremendous task, and is a
ridiculous assumption!

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root@127.1 wrote:
> In <01c5dc3b$49703a00$LocalHost@gateway>, "Piltdown Man"

> <pilt...@ivehaditwiththespam.sorry> wrote:
>
> >
> >Android Cat <androi...@hotmail.com> wrote...
>
> >> Possibly the regular Glasgow-Belfast run included some cattle on the
> >> hold, but I think I'd want to see references that the Royal Scotsman
> >> as used exclusively as a "cattle ferry" for any length of time.
> >
> >It would be nice to have a conclusive statement from an expert on this
> >rather arcane subject, but I haven't been able to locate one on the net.
>
> Throughout, I wonder where your assumption that the cattle were all the
> "crated cattle" comes from? Until "recent" times, they were another
> commodity like boxes of toasters, but nastier. 'Course, I'm thinking
> 60's into 70's, maybe they started carrying 3rd class (any means) folks
> in better style in the 70s.
>
> And when you read memoirs of people that were there, they're less
> dignity than human cattle I think. Mike Goldstein was there I think,
> and monitors ARS part time. Ask him what condition were like? Takes a
> long time to erase the stench of cattle manure from a yacht, I'd bet?

ide...@rm.incc.net

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That's correct, it was used for cattle. I wasn't there at the time as
I came to the ship in 1971, but I knew people who were there when the
ship was purchased and who had to clean up and get the ship ready for
SO use. It was a real dirty job with lots of cow shit that had to be
cleaned out.
Mike Goldstein

Piltdown Man

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ide...@rm.incc.net wrote...

Thanks for this. I had always assumed that the claim from Atack and Miller
that the Royal Scotsman had become (primarily or exclusively) a cattle
ferry before Hubbard bought her was based on reports from Scientologists
who were there at the time, but it's nice to have some confirmation.

Piltdown Man

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a...@123.net wrote...

> In article <01c5dc3b$49703a00$LocalHost@gateway>,
> "Piltdown Man" <pilt...@ivehaditwiththespam.sorry> wrote:

<snip>


> > As to the mechanics of getting cattle on and off a ship, my assumption
> > would be that the cattle would all be crated,
>
> Cattle are transported on the hoof. They are only crated for air travel.

<snip>


> Crating cattle to transport would be a tremendous task, and is a
> ridiculous assumption!

It's really nice to find an expert on the Irish Channel ferry trade between
1936 and 1967. There are so few of them about.

So pray tell us, in the decades before the Royal Scotsman became the
flagship of Hubbard's toy navy, how exactly did they get the cows she
carried across the Irish Channel (alongside cargo and human passengers) on
and off board, without using crates?


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