Today's message from Theta (relayed through Safe)
Safe ... www.fza.org
"Since posting the criminal time track on the internet, there have been
people coming forward with questions. Therefore, I will respond to their
communications.
The time track is not a completed product. The final product will have
sources. For now, I can tell you that 98% of the data comes from government
records. Most of the records are court cases wherein testimony was given in
affidavits, judicial decisions, etc.
Here are the definitions I am using:
MEST Clear - (Around 4.0 on the tone scale - enthusiasm.)
someone who knows he has reached the bottom rung of the ladder on the way
up. A mest clear still thinks of himself more or less as a body and is more
or less subject to one.
Theta Clear - (Around 8 on the tone scale - exhilaration.)
an individual who, as a being, is certain of his identity apart from that of
a body, and who habitually operates the body from outside, or exteriorized.
Cleared Theta Clear aka OT - (Around 20 on the tone scale-games, spirit of
play.)
next level above Theta Clear (which is cleared of need to have a body.)
Scientology -
The science of "knowing how to know."
Note: I once looked up "knowing how to know" in the back of an LRH book and
he defined it as "theta clear". In other words, Scientology is the science
of how to become a theta clear.
From Science of Survival: an auditor is not trying to cure anything. He is
simply raising tone.
Note:
A simple way to look at the entire subject of Scientology, is that it is the
subject of how to go up the tone scale. As a being goes up the tone scale,
he reaches the states described above. Around 4.0 on the tone scale he has
reached the state of MEST Clear, around 8.0-theta clear and around
20.0-cleared theta clear aka OT.
The Church of Scientology has not produced any theta clears. I am not
promoting that we can produce any either. We are going to use unaltered,
on-source, LRH materials to see if we can.
That is what this group is about.
Miscavige has crimes against the Scientology ethics codes by altering the
technology and he has crimes against society by breaking its laws.
Under Miscavige's rule, the tone level of the group has dropped to fear -
fear of Miscavige, fear of RTC, fear of the RPF, fear of OSA, fear of being
denied eligibility for the OT levels, etc.
We refuse to participate and go down with him. We are Scientologists. We
want to go up the tone scale. We believe that every member of the group has
a right to know everything in the time track and then they can make an
informed choice about which group they want to belong to.
The above should clarify what we are doing and why."
O
Theta
fokdal
Safe ... www.fza.org skrev i meddelelsen <38549...@news2.lightlink.com>...
I personally believe that you and other guys on this newsgroup does'nt
realize how close we are in becomming a instinct race. With the amount of
drugs (mind-altering drugs) that is being sold and used, very few people
will in few years be able to keep from going nuts.
I'm happy that you can find some use for LRH tech, and that is the whole
point. Not what individual members of CoS thinks. However we are facing a
major amount of trouble on this planet, and we cannot make it on our own. We
do not a this moment have any choice but to cope with CoS, and when the war
is over, we can maybe do things differently. Unless of course you really
want to see this society go bananas (like Berverly the Bitch).
A lot of the things I have read on these pages is simply trash, but some of
it could have some interest if it was communicated after we had dealt with
the war and drug problem.
But for now - please stop this Co$, Cult, crooks, - noise, and let's have a
constructive dialog. Please keep it above 2.0, thank you
fokdal
Safe ... www.fza.org
news:832bfd$8vb$1...@news.inet.tele.dk...
>
> Safe ... www.fza.org skrev i meddelelsen
<38549...@news2.lightlink.com>...
> >A message from Theta:
> >
> >"Since posting the criminal time track on the internet, there have been
> >people coming forward with questions. Therefore, I will respond to their
> >communications.
>
> Interesting!
>
> I personally believe that you and other guys on this newsgroup does'nt
> realize how close we are in becomming a instinct race. With the amount of
> drugs (mind-altering drugs) that is being sold and used, very few people
> will in few years be able to keep from going nuts
How many years do you predict that most of we'll become nuts without the
Church of Scientology, Inc's help?
> I'm happy that you can find some use for LRH tech, and that is the whole
> point.
The whole point that Theta is making is that the point of scientology is to
make Clear Theta Clears. Do you agree?
> Not what individual members of CoS thinks. However we are facing a
> major amount of trouble on this planet, and we cannot make it on our own.
What do you mean we cannot make it on our own. You mean the human race
cannot make it on it's own? Please be specific. Are we going to get some
help from aliens like perhaps the marcabians? ;-)
> We do not a this moment have any choice but to cope with CoS, and when the
war
> is over, we can maybe do things differently.
What purpose is there in coping with CofS, Inc. lying and abusing? What war
are you talking about? I think you've lost a lot of people here.
> Unless of course you really
> want to see this society go bananas (like Berverly the Bitch).
Beverly who? She went bananas? Is she in an institution now?
> A lot of the things I have read on these pages is simply trash,
So let's here what the trash is. What specifically are you talking about. Is
what I say "trash?" Is what Theta has said "trash?"
> but some of
> it could have some interest if it was communicated after we had dealt with
> the war and drug problem.
Is there a war problem? When do you suppose the drug problem will be
finished until we can concentrate on making Clear Theta Clears. I think a
more important scientology goal is to raise individuals tone level. Do you
agree?
> But for now - please stop this Co$, Cult, crooks, - noise, and let's have
a
> constructive dialog. Please keep it above 2.0, thank you
Your very comment is antagonism. So how about you practicing what you're
asking yourself? I'm trying to have a constructive dialog with you (see my
other ignored questions to you in previous messages) but you seem to not
want to communicate to me. Is there a reason for that?
By the way, do you consider trying to discuss the overts and witholds of
CofS, Inc and how to handle it just "noise?" Personally, I think it's
important to try to get management of CofS, Inc. to get their ethics in
because nobody is doing it on the inside from below the managements ranks
because their too scared to.
Safe
Safe
veracity
Hello,
I saw your post and I have some questions about it.
>major amount of trouble on this planet, and we cannot make it on our own.
We
>do not a this moment have any choice but to cope with CoS, and when the war
>is over, we can maybe do things differently.
Who is we? We as in you are a member of C of S? A Scientologist?
Cope with CoS????? You mean, just go ahead and do squirreled courses,
recieve destructively altered auditing and OT levels? Or just sit there and
do nothing and "wait for it to get handled"? If that is what you mean us
Scientologists to do, I am sorry, I cannot betray the code of a
Scientologist in that way. "wait" is too low on the tone scale to me.
If the above is not what your solution to the mess that is our Church, is, I
would be delighted to hear any ideas you have on how we are going to replace
all the squirreled tech. Oh and cancel all ridiculous policies that say they
are by LRH, (probably some Go stuff they still use fits into that category
as well) and arent.
And how we are going to get agreement on getting this done, when the very
person who is doing it, is who you have to report it to?
>But for now - please stop this Co$, Cult, crooks, - noise, and let's have a
>constructive dialog. Please keep it above 2.0, thank you
>
I saw theta's post, and it wasn't 2.0 to me. Probably the fact that at the
end of it, it is describing a truth of criminal, antagonistic activity by
leaders of our church is how that might have been conveyed. Just my opinion
:o)
As far as constructive dialogue, I'm for that!
I look forward to your response.
Veracity
fokdal
veracity skrev i meddelelsen <3854b...@news2.lightlink.com>...
>
Hello,
To be frank, I saw this newsgroup only yesterday, and I do need an R-factor
of a few things:
1. What is this "theta" thing - how many members are there?
2. What does this "O" stand for?
3. Do you use the tech?
4. Is it only management that gives you problems?
>Who is we? We as in you are a member of C of S? A Scientologist?
We are the 8 dynamics. We are thetans. We are the allness of all.
>Cope with CoS????? You mean, just go ahead and do squirreled courses,
>recieve destructively altered auditing and OT levels? Or just sit there and
>do nothing and "wait for it to get handled"? If that is what you mean us
>Scientologists to do, I am sorry, I cannot betray the code of a
>Scientologist in that way. "wait" is too low on the tone scale to me.
>
Have you read the code of a scientologist resently?
>If the above is not what your solution to the mess that is our Church, is,
I
>would be delighted to hear any ideas you have on how we are going to
replace
>all the squirreled tech. Oh and cancel all ridiculous policies that say
they
>are by LRH, (probably some Go stuff they still use fits into that category
>as well) and arent.
A. Make an Admin Scale. B. Make sure it aligns with your dynamics, then:
1. Find the faults. 2. Clear up all MU's 3. Make demos. 4. Query the matter
to the right terminal. 5. Study the answer, and remember to clear any MU. 5.
If any backflash or justice - report the matter. 6. If anyone tries to stop
you - use the admin tech - you can never be the negative effect of the tech.
The truth will allways win - you know - and if you keep your
ethics/tech/admin in you will allways win.
>And how we are going to get agreement on getting this done, when the very
>person who is doing it, is who you have to report it to?
Eventually the one you have to report to will loose if he is not straight.
>>But for now - please stop this Co$, Cult, crooks, - noise, and let's have
a
>>constructive dialog. Please keep it above 2.0, thank you
>>
>I saw theta's post, and it wasn't 2.0 to me. Probably the fact that at the
>end of it, it is describing a truth of criminal, antagonistic activity by
>leaders of our church is how that might have been conveyed. Just my opinion
>:o)
>
>As far as constructive dialogue, I'm for that!
Good!
>I look forward to your response.
>
>Veracity
>
>
Søren
veracity
I just have to ask, is that a euphimism for Sauron, from The Lord of the
Rings?
>
>To be frank, I saw this newsgroup only yesterday, and I do need an R-factor
>of a few things:
If you saw this newsgroup only yesterday, why were making such a sweeping
statement about theta's post?
Did you actually read the Criminal Time Track posted by Safe?
Here is my take on the following questions:
>
>1. What is this "theta" thing - how many members are there?
Theta doesn't say how many members, so why would you ask? Do you want to be
a member or something?
>2. What does this "O" stand for?
Maybe theta? Completeness? Circle of life? (just kidding)
>3. Do you use the tech?
Of course, I am a Scientologist.
>4. Is it only management that gives you problems?
Management does not "give me problems" quite a few management terminals ARE
a problem.
>>Who is we? We as in you are a member of C of S? A Scientologist?
>
>
>We are the 8 dynamics. We are thetans. We are the allness of all.
Nice generality, answer the question, Are you a member of the C of S, a
scientologist?
>>Cope with CoS????? You mean, just go ahead and do squirreled courses,
>>recieve destructively altered auditing and OT levels? Or just sit there
and
>>do nothing and "wait for it to get handled"? If that is what you mean us
>>Scientologists to do, I am sorry, I cannot betray the code of a
>>Scientologist in that way. "wait" is too low on the tone scale to me.
>>
>
>Have you read the code of a scientologist resently?
Yes. Take point 16. "16. To insist upon standard and unvaried Scientology as
an applied activity in ethics, processing, and administration in Scientology
organizations"
Are you doing this?
>
>>If the above is not what your solution to the mess that is our Church, is,
>I
>>would be delighted to hear any ideas you have on how we are going to
>replace
>>all the squirreled tech. Oh and cancel all ridiculous policies that say
>they
>>are by LRH, (probably some Go stuff they still use fits into that category
>>as well) and arent.
>
>
>A. Make an Admin Scale. B. Make sure it aligns with your dynamics, then:
>
>1. Find the faults. 2. Clear up all MU's 3. Make demos. 4. Query the matter
>to the right terminal. 5. Study the answer, and remember to clear any MU.
5.
>If any backflash or justice - report the matter. 6. If anyone tries to stop
>you - use the admin tech - you can never be the negative effect of the
tech.
Ummm, a few Mu's here possibly, you quote the admin scale, but you give as
steps for it the How to Defeat Verbal Tech Checklist, which is not part of
how to do an admin scale. BTW, I have done all steps of the checklist, and
found that quite a bit of the current "tech" being sold, is false.
Also you mised admin procedures into the checklist, but let's not quibble. I
have done the admin procedures as well, have you?
>The truth will allways win - you know - and if you keep your
>ethics/tech/admin in you will allways win.
Absolutely, I feel the same way. Have you done your Doubt condition? (ethics
tech)
>>And how we are going to get agreement on getting this done, when the very
>>person who is doing it, is who you have to report it to?
>
>
>Eventually the one you have to report to will loose if he is not straight.
Well that's abit irresponsible and effect for me, at what cost to the rest
of us, this "eventually" stuff. That is not responsibility to "wait for the
one I have to report to, to lose" Should the US have done that to Hitler?
Sit there and "wait for him to lose" ? I think not.
Veracity
veracity
>
>Ahem. Beverly is not in an institution, and has never been in one to my
>knowledge, but I credit her incredibly inspiring sense of survival and hope
as
>having kept her out of one. If Scientologists had 2% of the compassion
and
>appreciation for others and their situations in life, this world would be a
lot
>better place to live in.
>
>>
I don't know who this Beverly is, but I agree with you, and I am a
Scientologist, and I have compassion and appreciation for others. Let's
qualify the word "scientologist" however. It is not fair to lump all
scientologists into the category of not having compassion or appreciation
for others. A real Scientologist, true to the Creed of the Church, does have
compassion, and wants to help make the world a better place, ok? A
pseudo-Scientologist does all the things that the people on this newsgroup
are so upset about (and rightly so).
Veracity
>
>
>
Tommy
>
> Interesting!
>
> I personally believe that you and other guys on this newsgroup does'nt
> realize how close we are in becomming a instinct race.
Are you trying to say "extinct"? Did $cientology help you with that?
> With the amount of
> drugs (mind-altering drugs) that is being sold and used, very few people
> will in few years be able to keep from going nuts.
If you're talking about anti-depressants and anti-psychotics, they are
prescribed to PREVENT
people from "going nuts" (what a wonderful way with words you have -
what's next? Niggers and Wogs?)
> I'm happy that you can find some use for LRH tech, and that is the whole
> point. Not what individual members of CoS thinks. However we are facing a
> major amount of trouble on this planet, and we cannot make it on our own. We
> do not a this moment have any choice but to cope with CoS, and when the war
> is over, we can maybe do things differently. Unless of course you really
> want to see this society go bananas (like Berverly the Bitch).
> A lot of the things I have read on these pages is simply trash, but some of
> it could have some interest if it was communicated after we had dealt with
> the war and drug problem.
> But for now - please stop this Co$, Cult, crooks, - noise, and let's have a
> constructive dialog. Please keep it above 2.0, thank you
How sweet. Call someone a bitch in one sentence, and try to lecture
people to keep their "tone level" *spit* up in the next.....hypocrite.
Tommy
--
Thank you for your very detailed letter regarding
Scientology. We haven't yet found a way to attack
these jackals who feed on children and young adults
who are too emotionally weak to stand by themselves
when they reach the age of consent.
Congressman Leo J. Ryan, shortly before being gunned down
by another cult in Jonestown
Ed
veracity wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I saw your post and I have some questions about it.
>
> >major amount of trouble on this planet, and we cannot make it on our own.
> We
> >do not a this moment have any choice but to cope with CoS, and when the war
> >is over, we can maybe do things differently.
>
> Who is we? We as in you are a member of C of S? A Scientologist?
>
"Theta" posted via Safe a few days ago a very long item which
he/she has just referred to earlier in this thread.
"Theta" said, if I recall right, that he or she is a Class 8, OT
8.
Veracity, you and other new readers here who are in or recently
out of Scn or interested in the tech, go look up Pilot's Reform Page
(and other stuff) in www.fza.org. Pilot has assembled the arguments
very cogently for why and how people in the C of $ should approach
reforming the structure. Unless the existing Scientologists put
serious pressure on management to reform, by turning off the money
flows, Scn is going to decline and fall and self-destruct in tragedy.
If the existing public of Flag and the LA complex can get in motion,
you may be able to set a transformation in motion.
Ed
[snipped]
veracity
Thanks for your post.
I was responding to Fakdal here,(see your following snips) not Theta. It is
Fakdal who I was asking "who is we too". Make sure you don't confuse the two
as I agree with Theta's posts, but not fakdal's
> "Theta" posted via Safe a few days ago a very long item which
>he/she has just referred to earlier in this thread.
>
> "Theta" said, if I recall right, that he or she is a Class 8, OT
>8.
I still can't get an answer out of fakdal of whether he/she is a
scientologist or not.
>
> Veracity, you and other new readers here who are in or recently
>out of Scn or interested in the tech, go look up Pilot's Reform Page
>(and other stuff) in www.fza.org. Pilot has assembled the arguments
>very cogently for why and how people in the C of $ should approach
>reforming the structure. Unless the existing Scientologists put
>serious pressure on management to reform, by turning off the money
>flows, Scn is going to decline and fall and self-destruct in tragedy.
>If the existing public of Flag and the LA complex can get in motion,
>you may be able to set a transformation in motion.
Thanks for the data, I have read the pilot's page. However, he did not quote
his source of Anatomy of the spirit of man "what scientology is doing"
correctly, which makes a big difference. If you are interested I can post
the actual quote for you, so you can see what I mean.
I do however agree that pressure should be put on management, and that the
public should be informed, which I think is occurring. It certainly is my
hope that some other Scientologists besides me will read Theta's letter and
timetrack, as I think a lot of people have no idea what's going on.
I plan to do my best to do my part in informing others, and the motion is
already started, don't you think? I am now here, and I have turned off some
money flows to the Church, and so it begins....
Veracity
Ed
Elron Xemoo
>>I personally believe that you and other guys on this newsgroup does'nt
realize how close we are in becomming a instinct race
We don't need to becomm (or even to become) an instinct race; we've been one
since we were created. All creatures rely on instinct to some degree or
another, even humans.
But maybe you're right. We have too many laws preventing stupid people from
killing themselves, and now they're starting to outbreed us. We need to
abolish seat-belt and motorcycle-helmet laws, and take those warning
stickers off the Coke machines -- the ones that warn you not to tip the
machine, as it could fall over on you and kill you. Smart people don't need
the signs, and we need stupid people to kill themselves more often. Let the
stupid people follow their stupid instincts; it'll raise the average
intelligence on the planet.
--
Bot-bait: word...@writeme.com Gen...@fifthamendmentpress.com
Conner
<38558...@news2.lightlink.com>, "veracity" <verac...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
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>I don't know who this Beverly is, but I agree with you, and I am a
>Scientologist, and I have compassion and appreciation for others. Let's
>qualify the word "scientologist" however. It is not fair to lump all
>scientologists into the category of not having compassion or appreciation
>for others. A real Scientologist, true to the Creed of the Church, does have
>compassion, and wants to help make the world a better place, ok? A
>pseudo-Scientologist does all the things that the people on this newsgroup
>are so upset about (and rightly so).
amen to that, vercity. all of it!
-- see...@ix.netcom.com (Conner)
Eppur si muove - Galilei
Gerry Armstrong
wrote:
>
>Safe ... www.fza.org skrev i meddelelsen <38549...@news2.lightlink.com>...
>>A message from Theta:
>>
>>"Since posting the criminal time track on the internet, there have been
>>people coming forward with questions. Therefore, I will respond to their
>>communications.
>>
>I personally believe that you and other guys on this newsgroup does'nt
>realize how close we are in becomming a instinct race.
What a rotten thing to say. Why can't you say someything positive
about all the people here? The vast majority of people in this
newsgroup are wogs. And wogs, if you look for yourself, are some
distance from becoming an extinct race. You meant extinct, right?
>With the amount of
>drugs (mind-altering drugs) that is being sold and used, very few people
>will in few years be able to keep from going nuts.
That is just plain nuts. You take no responsibility for $cientology's
part creating the evils in society.
>I'm happy that you can find some use for LRH tech, and that is the whole
>point. Not what individual members of CoS thinks.
That's nuts. Individual $cientologists, just one of them, is more
important than anything Hubbard ever wrote. He was a pathological
liar, you know.
Hubbard tech doesn't work and cannot work. Its unworkability is
written in stone forever. It can be made workable by doing something
else completely. It would then, of course, not be Hubbard tech, would
it?
> However we are facing a
>major amount of trouble on this planet, and we cannot make it on our own.
We are not alone. We will never be alone. Yours is a philosophy of
straw men.
>We
>do not a this moment have any choice but to cope with CoS, and when the war
>is over, we can maybe do things differently.
Of course you have another choice. You can reform your cult. You can
leave your cult, and even find something that is workable. I prefer to
oppose the cult, and that is brought about because your cult opposes
me. Your cult opposes all sorts of good people telling the truth and
seeking to improve conditions.
> Unless of course you really
>want to see this society go bananas (like Berverly the Bitch).
I would want to see $cientology and $cientologists end their
nastiness. Their nastiness is what should be opposed. You should
oppose $cientology nastiness, but you just project it.
>A lot of the things I have read on these pages is simply trash, but some of
>it could have some interest if it was communicated after we had dealt with
>the war and drug problem.
$cientology's understanding of drugs and even of war is so woefully
ignorant it gives me shudders. A world run by $cientologistsd would
truly be hell on earth.
Strike the ignorance, give us $cientology's wisdom on drugs and war.
There is almost none, because there is almost no wisdom in $cientology
on any subject. You won't even find it in your dictionaries. Wisdom's
absence is stupidity. There's where $cientology excells.
>But for now - please stop this Co$, Cult, crooks, - noise, and let's have a
>constructive dialog. Please keep it above 2.0, thank you
Okay. Your turn. If you can't confront the cult and crooks in
$cientology, it's you who must be below 2.0. So give us an
enthusiastic solution to the cult and crooks in $cientology, please.
(c) Gerry Armstrong
>
>