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Etznab
Nov 11, 2014, 12:35:12 PM11/11/14
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Doug writes (see link for context):
"Your comment about Twitchell's plagiarism is also not quite accurate. There was indeed plagiarism, but it doesn't even come close to amounting to "much" of his writings. The most anyone has been able to demonstrate totals less than 1% of Twitchell's writings. And it is far from word-for-word. In fact, it is hard to find a complete sentence that is identical. Besides that, Twitchell openly described his approach to writing and drawing from other writers while teaching about the spiritual path. I've included quotes about that in my book as well."
http://tibeto-logic.blogspot.com/2007/07/katsupari-and-living-slick-factor.html
Notice how Doug says:
"And it is far from word-for-word. In fact, it is hard to find a complete sentence that is identical."
I suspect that this is a BOLD-FACED LIE!
As evidence to support my suspicion, search this newsgroup for keyword 41391720 and look for yourself.
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups&hl=en#!searchin/alt.religion.eckankar/41391720
Granted, the response from Doug was apparently 2008 and years after his online book. However, What is with this "hard to find a complete sentence that is identical"? Doug, who himself mentioned doing "research" in the 1980s (or, looked at Paul's files, etc.) with Harold Klemp; the later who had reportedly discovered a "growing list".
What team is Doug batting for, I wonder. The whole truth? Or Eckankar P.R. spin?
"Your comment about Twitchell's plagiarism is also not quite accurate. There was indeed plagiarism, but it doesn't even come close to amounting to "much" of his writings. The most anyone has been able to demonstrate totals less than 1% of Twitchell's writings. And it is far from word-for-word. In fact, it is hard to find a complete sentence that is identical. Besides that, Twitchell openly described his approach to writing and drawing from other writers while teaching about the spiritual path. I've included quotes about that in my book as well."
http://tibeto-logic.blogspot.com/2007/07/katsupari-and-living-slick-factor.html
Notice how Doug says:
"And it is far from word-for-word. In fact, it is hard to find a complete sentence that is identical."
I suspect that this is a BOLD-FACED LIE!
As evidence to support my suspicion, search this newsgroup for keyword 41391720 and look for yourself.
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups&hl=en#!searchin/alt.religion.eckankar/41391720
Granted, the response from Doug was apparently 2008 and years after his online book. However, What is with this "hard to find a complete sentence that is identical"? Doug, who himself mentioned doing "research" in the 1980s (or, looked at Paul's files, etc.) with Harold Klemp; the later who had reportedly discovered a "growing list".
What team is Doug batting for, I wonder. The whole truth? Or Eckankar P.R. spin?
Peetee Aitchei
Nov 11, 2014, 5:57:08 PM11/11/14
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My contribution regarding that blogspot post ..... I posted it posted to
Marman's Blog directly,
http://spiritualdialogues.com/books/the-whole-truth-the-spiritual-legacy-of-paul-twitchell/
It will NEVER show up there, so no point waiting.
--- --- ---
Doug says:
"I agree with you that many of Twitchell's terms came from the Sikh
tradition. In fact, I've run across a talk of his where he said that
the name Eckankar came from Guru Nanak's writings."
http://tibeto-logic.blogspot.com.au/2007/07/katsupari-and-living-slick-factor.html
Why do you insist on doing this Doug? He never "said" that. And in your
original "quoting" of his 1966 talk, you never said that either. You keep
taking 3 and turning it into 300 .. the same thing you publicly accused Lane
of doing for 25+ years.
Ekankar is NOT Ik Ongkar .. Ekankar is NOT a Sikh term, and it does NOT show up
in Guru Nanak's writings, anywhere. Does it? Have even bothered to check them?
Please, even though it's now 6 years later, stop just making stuff up out of
thin air.
EKankar is a term used by Kirpal Singh and the rest of the RS folks. It's in
his talks, it's in his publications. The meaning is the same as what Twitchell
gave it in that audio tape you refuse to transcribe fully and accurately and
publish it so everyone else in the world can make up their own minds as to what
Twitchell may have meant without needing to be told by you.
Julian Johnson in The Path of the Masters 1939
says: "Ekankar means the one oneness, the
body of oneness."
Rebazar Tarzs in TFC 1971 says: "ECKANKAR
means the one oneness, the body of oneness.""
Doug says:
"You've just been reading too much from followers of Radhasoami. They were
convinced that Twitchell took his teaching from Kirpal Singh, but this only
shows how little they knew about Twitchell."
No Doug, it shows how VERY LITTLE YOU KNOW about Radhasoami and Kirpal Singh
and Ruhani and how Twitchell wrote his materials up. And yes of course RS they
do take stuff from Guru Nanak and the other Sikh Gurus but they reference their
quotes accurately. Twitchell didn't, and neither do you.
Doug says:
"Kirpal's version spells it as Ekankar. Other groups, as I've said,
spell it Ek Onkar, Ikankar, and many other forms."
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/zzhKNYR7nTw/UOr1_pBTqEUJ
Wrong, yet again. Please learn something new about Ruhani, Kirpal, and
Ekankar v Ek Angkar and Ik Onkar and "languages" and "semantics" and "lingistics" and "etymology" ...
Please find out what KIRPAL, SAWAN and J Johnson actually MEANT by what THEY
said, and not what you "believe" or what Twitchell "believed" they meant/said
then lazily chose to JUST MAKE UP things out of what they DID NOT say!
7 x Ekankar Quotes - 26 x Ekankar & Ek Onkar Quotes
"EK-ANKAR--The Unmanifest-Manifested, God-in-expression power, the holy Word,
the primal manifestation of Godhead by which and in which all live, move and
have their being and by which all find a way back to Absolute God."
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/VdDqDxIXxmE/vSB_IN__F8MJ
Now of course, given the number of Singhs in RS since the 1800s Ik Ongkar,
EKankar, are not unknown quantities for the Subcontinent INDIANS of the Punjab.
Yes, surprise, there are some word definitions that sound really similar, almost the exact same, but it all depends on the USE, the INTENT, and the CONTEXT.
Only a fool would believe that the name Hugh means the exact same thing as the
word HU, because they "sound the same" to an Eskimo who had never read a book
or eaten anything other than seal and fish!
Where do you live? How many Indian languages can you speak fluently Doug?
You "could" go read a Kirpal Singh website or a book, because they are often
in ENGLISH mate!
Now your challenge for your next life is this:
SHOW ME VERBATIM in this talk of his, where Twitchell said that
the name Eckankar came from Guru Nanak's WRITINGS."
Because that is delusional irrational BULLSHIT talking!
The fact is, the whole truth is, Marman, that Twitchell took it from Julian
Johnson's and Kirpal Singh's WRITINGS ..... end of story right there!
---
Meanwhile Twitchell, as does Klemp, make the "mythic claim" that Eckankar means
a Co-Worker with God instead .... So Doug, if that is true, then it cannot mean
what Guru Nanak said Ik Onkar means .... are you awake?
Here try this and try to learn something HISTORICALLY ACCURATE about Kirpal
Singh ... 74 x Conscious Co-Worker Quotes
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/VBI2lZXLADQ/gHPsXLx9hUkJ
Every dear soul is entitled to a few mistakes in their lifetime. But your
actions and your poor research skills and mythical thinking totally shatters
the exceptions to this rule. Your book and your manifold opinions are replete
with the worst kind of disinformation and mythical beliefs possible.
Oh, that's IMHO, but it is backed up with real facts and a whole lot of truth
one will never find in TWT book!
[ PS no the email will not work, but it is a real email address. Try and make sense of that, if you can. You just never ever listen to anyone, ever never! ]
Peetee Aitchei
Nov 11, 2014, 10:09:31 PM11/11/14
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On Wednesday, 12 November 2014 09:57:08 UTC+11, Peetee Aitchei wrote:
================================================================
A PS Parting Shot ....
There are many who have learned much from this spiritual development teaching
nevertheless. Depending on the individual Eckankar can be of great value on many levels
including psychologically and spiritually. It does delve into a deeper understanding of
spiritual energies and soul travel, also known as out-of-body experiences or above body
consciousness.
However people must NOT confuse the name and the meaning of the name with the teaching
itself, but instead understand the teachings as being that which is being promoted and sold by
an organization.
The name Eckankar itself (a misspelling of Ekankar), is one which is universal in application, and
in that sense the name may be said to be inclusive of all spiritual development paths.
Yet this universal idea (the one all-inclusiveness of God, the Unmanifest-Manifested - Ekankar) and the
methodology to spiritual development taught can and does have many names. That wherein
an action is given a particular name and that action is seen to be the only route, and people
promote that action under that name, then in that frame of reference, it could be said to be the
highest most direct path.
As an example, a person could begin any organization which states that the true route to
enlightenment is through enlightenment, and this founder could coin a new word to explain
enlightenment, to describe enlightenment: for example, a word such as 'Gramenif'.
The person then can state in all reality and honesty that Gramenif is the only route to true
enlightenment. If Gramenif itself means enlightenment, then in that frame of reference, the
Gramenif path is the highest most direct path to true enlightenment.
In a very accurate sense this is exactly what has been done with the ECKANKAR teachings,
along with many others like it. The fact is that the route to true enlightenment is through
personal attention given toward spiritual development under whatever worldly name is used.
It's the process itself that matters more, not the name, the outer coverings, nor the exceptional
details of this path or that path.
https://www.scribd.com/doc/194568191/ECKANKAR-and-Other-Spiritual-Development-Paths
-----
Doug (et al) the same goes whether or not it's Guru Nanak, or Rumi, Sikhs or Sufis, or Christians. But one cannot shove a Square Peg [Eckankar] into a Round hole [Sikhism - RS - Sufis] either. As much as one might try one will never make a Silk Purse out of a Sows Ear either! Any silk purses out there today have nothing to do with Eckankar, Resa programs, Twitchell's cheap plagiarising, incompetence or myth making, nor the discourses, and especially not Harold Klemp or Patti Simpson for that matter.
In 1998 on a.r.e (as a naive unknowing Sage ) I pointed out and queried the "experts" there about the obvious similarity with Eckankar to Nanak's Ik Onkar and the "meanings" - quickly sent packing was I and told straight up Eckankar is a totally different Teaching with NO connections to the Sikhs or Guru Nanak.
Sounded like a very strange thing to say but what would I know sitting beside such Grand High Initiates who had been in the teaching since the 60s and 70s? Gosh some had even "met Paulji" .. like wow man! Radhasomai? Never heard of it? Darwin Gross? Who's he?
Over 15 years later I can state categorically that Eckankar has absolutely NOTHING whatsoever to do with, nor is it connected in ANY WAY by mystical irrational thinking to Guru Nanak and the Sikhs, or Shams or Rumi of the Islamic Sufis ... nuffin', not a damned thing.
So Doug if you wish to study or become a Sufi or a Sikh go right ahead. But please STOP filling other people's heads like those fools on a.r.e. did to me 15 years ago now, with all this made up bullshit of yours and some very self-deluded thinking. Eckankar and Twitchell has nothing directly to do with Nanak, bar what he copied from Sant Mat/RS/Ruhani so PLEASE STOP pretending there is a connection that does NOT exist anywhere except inside your (and others) world of make believe...
To suggest so is the equivalent to saying that America and North Korea have a very similar political system and set of beliefs because the DPRK State has the word "Democracy" in it's name, being the Democratic People's Republic of Korea!
I am sure it is really nice for you getting all the positive personal attention for returning all these "sacred stones" and being able to talk about yourself for nigh on 30 years. Can everyone at least acknowledge and admit the Truth of it - they are just ROCKS.
The past is dead, move along, nothing to see here. Eckankar is dead in the water and it's sinking fast. Get over it, stop trying to bail out the water coming in through all the holes in this 'leaky boat', just grab a life jacket instead, abandon ship and be HONEST about it .... as a.r.e. Lurker said to you about 13 years ago now Doug Marman, your solution lays in self-honesty. Klemp was waaaaaay beyond help at least a decade ago now, and your time is running out fast too now. Wake up and smell the daisies!
Peace!
posted to http://spiritualdialogues.com/books/the-whole-truth-the-spiritual-legacy-of-paul-twitchell/
just for Fun .. toot toot choo choo :-)
================================================================
A PS Parting Shot ....
There are many who have learned much from this spiritual development teaching
nevertheless. Depending on the individual Eckankar can be of great value on many levels
including psychologically and spiritually. It does delve into a deeper understanding of
spiritual energies and soul travel, also known as out-of-body experiences or above body
consciousness.
However people must NOT confuse the name and the meaning of the name with the teaching
itself, but instead understand the teachings as being that which is being promoted and sold by
an organization.
The name Eckankar itself (a misspelling of Ekankar), is one which is universal in application, and
in that sense the name may be said to be inclusive of all spiritual development paths.
Yet this universal idea (the one all-inclusiveness of God, the Unmanifest-Manifested - Ekankar) and the
methodology to spiritual development taught can and does have many names. That wherein
an action is given a particular name and that action is seen to be the only route, and people
promote that action under that name, then in that frame of reference, it could be said to be the
highest most direct path.
As an example, a person could begin any organization which states that the true route to
enlightenment is through enlightenment, and this founder could coin a new word to explain
enlightenment, to describe enlightenment: for example, a word such as 'Gramenif'.
The person then can state in all reality and honesty that Gramenif is the only route to true
enlightenment. If Gramenif itself means enlightenment, then in that frame of reference, the
Gramenif path is the highest most direct path to true enlightenment.
In a very accurate sense this is exactly what has been done with the ECKANKAR teachings,
along with many others like it. The fact is that the route to true enlightenment is through
personal attention given toward spiritual development under whatever worldly name is used.
It's the process itself that matters more, not the name, the outer coverings, nor the exceptional
details of this path or that path.
https://www.scribd.com/doc/194568191/ECKANKAR-and-Other-Spiritual-Development-Paths
-----
Doug (et al) the same goes whether or not it's Guru Nanak, or Rumi, Sikhs or Sufis, or Christians. But one cannot shove a Square Peg [Eckankar] into a Round hole [Sikhism - RS - Sufis] either. As much as one might try one will never make a Silk Purse out of a Sows Ear either! Any silk purses out there today have nothing to do with Eckankar, Resa programs, Twitchell's cheap plagiarising, incompetence or myth making, nor the discourses, and especially not Harold Klemp or Patti Simpson for that matter.
In 1998 on a.r.e (as a naive unknowing Sage ) I pointed out and queried the "experts" there about the obvious similarity with Eckankar to Nanak's Ik Onkar and the "meanings" - quickly sent packing was I and told straight up Eckankar is a totally different Teaching with NO connections to the Sikhs or Guru Nanak.
Sounded like a very strange thing to say but what would I know sitting beside such Grand High Initiates who had been in the teaching since the 60s and 70s? Gosh some had even "met Paulji" .. like wow man! Radhasomai? Never heard of it? Darwin Gross? Who's he?
Over 15 years later I can state categorically that Eckankar has absolutely NOTHING whatsoever to do with, nor is it connected in ANY WAY by mystical irrational thinking to Guru Nanak and the Sikhs, or Shams or Rumi of the Islamic Sufis ... nuffin', not a damned thing.
So Doug if you wish to study or become a Sufi or a Sikh go right ahead. But please STOP filling other people's heads like those fools on a.r.e. did to me 15 years ago now, with all this made up bullshit of yours and some very self-deluded thinking. Eckankar and Twitchell has nothing directly to do with Nanak, bar what he copied from Sant Mat/RS/Ruhani so PLEASE STOP pretending there is a connection that does NOT exist anywhere except inside your (and others) world of make believe...
To suggest so is the equivalent to saying that America and North Korea have a very similar political system and set of beliefs because the DPRK State has the word "Democracy" in it's name, being the Democratic People's Republic of Korea!
I am sure it is really nice for you getting all the positive personal attention for returning all these "sacred stones" and being able to talk about yourself for nigh on 30 years. Can everyone at least acknowledge and admit the Truth of it - they are just ROCKS.
The past is dead, move along, nothing to see here. Eckankar is dead in the water and it's sinking fast. Get over it, stop trying to bail out the water coming in through all the holes in this 'leaky boat', just grab a life jacket instead, abandon ship and be HONEST about it .... as a.r.e. Lurker said to you about 13 years ago now Doug Marman, your solution lays in self-honesty. Klemp was waaaaaay beyond help at least a decade ago now, and your time is running out fast too now. Wake up and smell the daisies!
Peace!
posted to http://spiritualdialogues.com/books/the-whole-truth-the-spiritual-legacy-of-paul-twitchell/
just for Fun .. toot toot choo choo :-)
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Etznab
Nov 12, 2014, 8:49:37 AM11/12/14
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On Wednesday, November 12, 2014 7:18:14 AM UTC-6, JR wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 11, 2014 9:35:12 AM UTC-8, Etznab wrote:
>
> He is so wrong, you cannot use your real name? You dumb ass.
>
> Same goes for Humpty PT-hi Dumpty. Couple o' dumb asses too scared to get caught being wrong themselves.
>
> The pasture residue between my toes has more common sense than both of you ignorant fools combined. Asinus asinum fricat--Dumb asses--one ass scratches the other.
>
> JR
This is what Etznab wrote, J.R.
***
If you forgot, just go to the top of this thread and read it (this time with your glasses - not your blinders - on) again.
> On Tuesday, November 11, 2014 9:35:12 AM UTC-8, Etznab wrote:
>
> He is so wrong, you cannot use your real name? You dumb ass.
>
> Same goes for Humpty PT-hi Dumpty. Couple o' dumb asses too scared to get caught being wrong themselves.
>
> The pasture residue between my toes has more common sense than both of you ignorant fools combined. Asinus asinum fricat--Dumb asses--one ass scratches the other.
>
> JR
This is what Etznab wrote, J.R.
***
Peetee Aitchei
Nov 12, 2014, 12:29:03 PM11/12/14
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since when was jr a real name mr dustyjaxen of wild willow washy?
Yee haa, caught a marlin on the hook ... mustardbeandabait
eyes got some thick fish fillets on da barbie tonight ma!
yous know whateyemean mr savoury spleen?
'yous' .... one of PTs favourite words, dats a phact.
Yee haa, caught a marlin on the hook ... mustardbeandabait
eyes got some thick fish fillets on da barbie tonight ma!
yous know whateyemean mr savoury spleen?
'yous' .... one of PTs favourite words, dats a phact.
Peetee Aitchei
Nov 12, 2014, 12:34:01 PM11/12/14
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Etznab
Nov 12, 2014, 7:12:48 PM11/12/14
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On Wednesday, November 12, 2014 3:13:34 PM UTC-6, JR wrote:
> Etznab wrote more dumb assery:
>
> It is all part of the same thread you dumb ass. If you had any credibility, you would not need to hide your smears with a different name on your underwear when you drop them in the laundry mat of public opinion.
>
> Everything you say is not worth reading and it never will be. Same goes for your dumb ass friend you scratch each others' ass with for narcissistic entertainment.
I've had but one pseudonym on this group for many years. How many have you had?
Plato Hadskyns? Etc., etc.
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups&hl=en#!searchin/alt.religion.eckankar/plato$20clark/alt.religion.eckankar/OuBPVvefldI/9gId-_m2MOIJ
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups&hl=en#!searchin/alt.religion.eckankar/plato$20clark/alt.religion.eckankar/vG5YCf83r2U/frspk7r-xMoJ
And yet, you squeak about one who chooses but one name on this group when you, yourself, have apparently had several over the years.
Tell me J.R. What do you hope to accomplish by posting under so many different names and criticizing others for using but one?
Hey, J.R., this is a real piece of work by you:
"Everything you say is not worth reading and it never will be. Same goes for your dumb ass friend you scratch each others' ass with for narcissistic entertainment."
TROLL!!!
> Etznab wrote more dumb assery:
> This is what Etznab wrote, J.R.
>
> Picking the sly shit out of the pepper again eh? Etznab.
>
>
> It is all part of the same thread you dumb ass. If you had any credibility, you would not need to hide your smears with a different name on your underwear when you drop them in the laundry mat of public opinion.
>
> Everything you say is not worth reading and it never will be. Same goes for your dumb ass friend you scratch each others' ass with for narcissistic entertainment.
I've had but one pseudonym on this group for many years. How many have you had?
Plato Hadskyns? Etc., etc.
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups&hl=en#!searchin/alt.religion.eckankar/plato$20clark/alt.religion.eckankar/OuBPVvefldI/9gId-_m2MOIJ
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups&hl=en#!searchin/alt.religion.eckankar/plato$20clark/alt.religion.eckankar/vG5YCf83r2U/frspk7r-xMoJ
And yet, you squeak about one who chooses but one name on this group when you, yourself, have apparently had several over the years.
Tell me J.R. What do you hope to accomplish by posting under so many different names and criticizing others for using but one?
Hey, J.R., this is a real piece of work by you:
"Everything you say is not worth reading and it never will be. Same goes for your dumb ass friend you scratch each others' ass with for narcissistic entertainment."
TROLL!!!
Etznab
Nov 12, 2014, 8:11:09 PM11/12/14
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Peetee Aitchei
Nov 12, 2014, 8:35:10 PM11/12/14
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Hey dick head,
Twichell didn't use his real name for decades ... or his correct SSN either, multiple author pseudos to save embarrassment from being exposed as the author of the pulp fiction crap he wrote ... oooh waa waa waa but eztnabbie is a dumb ass, call the MIND POLICE Ms Wankerette!
Harold doesn't use his own name either. His real name is Irma Batt.
Yous see, his maiden name (he is such a girl right) was Miss Shit Crazy, now just put 1 and 2 together and you got his spiritual name sailor boy.
hehehehehehe I HAVE SPOKEN
Yes my REAL name is Pee Tee Aitch Ei .. and if you don't like it then shove it up your back passage - It my real name and I get to decide what friggin name I use and when and where I use, and there ain;t damned thing you or anyone can do about that.
You know why Mr Initials? Because I am the Son of Man, I am the fulfillment of Twitchell's prophecy, the one who was the child in training in 1971, yes me I AM the New Age Messiah of the Age and all before me cower in fear and trepidation and coming running to beg me for a healing their ills, and answering their prayers. Why just the other day I ot a letter from a gal who said I saved her from certain death inn a car accident. You can't do that Mr Initials now can you. See, I am the greatest, for I dance like a butterfly in cyberspace but sting like Cruise Missile!
Yes little johnny boy, I can see you but you cannot see me nor touch me for the karmic ramifications with be instant , such the power of my protection against those Kal agents who wish to do me harm .... reading your akashic records MR Initials and you are karmically connected with Harji Barji through genealogy DNA with the same psycho whackiness and self-deluded horse puckiness.
Now, you go get a big stick and beat yourself with it ..... ROFL
Sticks and stones and all that ... go practice what you preach asswipe!
On Thursday, 13 November 2014 08:13:34 UTC+11, JR wrote:
> Etznab wrote more dumb assery:
Twichell didn't use his real name for decades ... or his correct SSN either, multiple author pseudos to save embarrassment from being exposed as the author of the pulp fiction crap he wrote ... oooh waa waa waa but eztnabbie is a dumb ass, call the MIND POLICE Ms Wankerette!
Harold doesn't use his own name either. His real name is Irma Batt.
Yous see, his maiden name (he is such a girl right) was Miss Shit Crazy, now just put 1 and 2 together and you got his spiritual name sailor boy.
hehehehehehe I HAVE SPOKEN
Yes my REAL name is Pee Tee Aitch Ei .. and if you don't like it then shove it up your back passage - It my real name and I get to decide what friggin name I use and when and where I use, and there ain;t damned thing you or anyone can do about that.
You know why Mr Initials? Because I am the Son of Man, I am the fulfillment of Twitchell's prophecy, the one who was the child in training in 1971, yes me I AM the New Age Messiah of the Age and all before me cower in fear and trepidation and coming running to beg me for a healing their ills, and answering their prayers. Why just the other day I ot a letter from a gal who said I saved her from certain death inn a car accident. You can't do that Mr Initials now can you. See, I am the greatest, for I dance like a butterfly in cyberspace but sting like Cruise Missile!
Yes little johnny boy, I can see you but you cannot see me nor touch me for the karmic ramifications with be instant , such the power of my protection against those Kal agents who wish to do me harm .... reading your akashic records MR Initials and you are karmically connected with Harji Barji through genealogy DNA with the same psycho whackiness and self-deluded horse puckiness.
Now, you go get a big stick and beat yourself with it ..... ROFL
Sticks and stones and all that ... go practice what you preach asswipe!
On Thursday, 13 November 2014 08:13:34 UTC+11, JR wrote:
> Etznab wrote more dumb assery:
> This is what Etznab wrote, J.R.
>
>
Etznab
Nov 12, 2014, 9:36:17 PM11/12/14
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PIOUS FRAUD ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Etznab
Nov 12, 2014, 9:48:17 PM11/12/14
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"One of the most prevalent misunderstandings is that the Law of God works only for those who have a devout or religious objective. This is a fallacy. It works just as impersonally as any law of physics. It can be used for greed or selfish purposes, as well as noble ones. But it should always be borne in mind that ignoble thoughts and actions inevitably result in unhappy consequences."
[...]
"[...] Remember, James 1:8 states, 'A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.'
The Key to Eckankar, by Paul Twitchell, 1968, Fifth printing - 2003, p. 16
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"One of the most prevalent misunderstandings is that this law works only for those having a devout or a religious objective. This is a fallacy. It works just as impersonally as the law of electricity works. It can be used for greedy, selfish purposes as well as noble ones. But it should always be borne in mind that ignoble thoughts and actions inevitably result in unhappy consequences."
[...] A double-minded man is unstable in all his ways. James 1:8
http://archive.org/stream/ThePowerOfAwareness/Neville_ThePowerOfAwareness_djvu.txt
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Etznab
Nov 12, 2014, 10:00:50 PM11/12/14
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On Tuesday, November 11, 2014 11:35:12 AM UTC-6, Etznab wrote:
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups&hl=en#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/C6u9t1O-MpE
After all these years ... it looks to me like someone did, in fact, try to make the end justify the means. By drawing on other people's writings to create a spiritual movement complete with an ancient unbroken line of spiritual masters.
If this be the truth - with more and more people (including Eckankar members) beginning to see it - what then does "the end" of Eckankar look like now?
To me it looks like time to connect the means to the end.
Peetee Aitchei
Nov 13, 2014, 8:02:34 PM11/13/14
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On Thursday, 13 November 2014 12:35:10 UTC+11, Peetee Aitchei wrote:
Further to:
"You know why Mr Initials? Because I am the Son of Man, I am the fulfillment of
Twitchell's prophecy, the one who was the child in training in 1971, yes me I
AM the New Age Messiah of the Age and all before me cower in fear and
trepidation and coming running to beg me for a healing their ills, and
answering their prayers. Why just the other day I got a letter from a gal who
1971-05-01 Paul Twitchell via Lawyer Clarifies misinformation Next Master & Mahanta
http://goo.gl/npKzm6
Quoting Mr Twitchell: "The next Master is a child who is in training, and who
will not be ready for at least fifteen years."
Well now, before 16 years had clicked over I had joined Eckankar, and was a
First Initiate on the outer. But operating in secret like all good Vairagi
masters are wont to do, I was already a 14th Initiate on the Inner.
Of course no body recognized this but a very few along the way. One was the
local RESA who told the group at a First Initiates meeting that, after a only
a year, what i was doing was already way past the typical lower planes level
of Soul Travel. See I was already operating at the Direct perception level ...
So there was no need for the common bells whistles experiences most have only
occasionally nor radiant forms of the Sat Guru appearing to me. How does one
appear to ones own self JR? Pretty illogical, because it is impossible, yes?
Anyway years ticked away, and then Graham Forsythe in the UK was informed on
the inner by RT, FQ and YS et al, and one of the Nine Silent Ones, that there
was already a new Mahanta LEM, and that it was time for HK to move along.
Ford Johnson was kind enough to parlay that message direct to HK who was asleep
spiritually by this time in 2001.
Doug Marman has of course already confirmed to many privately (See the Karma
Seeker book by Stefan Meyer) that there was already another Mahanta, or Pole
of the World operating, but each has to find Him for themselves. That has been
spoken of since 2008.
That hasn't been working out so well, because almost all the ECKists have been
trapped in Kal driven Vortex for so long now, the EK simply cannot get through
to them anymore. And so it is that after giving Mr Klemp until October 2011 to
move aside nicely and maturely, the time has come to speak the Truth openly and
let the chips fall where they may.
He should have done what he agreed to do decades ago now, and so soon after Oct
2011 he had serious fall on Black Ice and ended up in hospital for over 3
months.
Hey, that's not my fault, nor was it my doing. I never have to lift a finger,
such is the ways of the Vairagi Order. But the EK doesn't wait and will not be
screwed around by jackasses, or even Dumb Asses, when it's time for the winds
of change to blow!
And so now you know, and that Peetee Aitchei is my REAL Spiritual Name ... but
do use it wisely! It's not a plaything.
Peace!
PS btw the English letter ' A ' has several pronunciations, one being the
Long A = ei
Do get the Sounds right JR, they are exacting, or you'll end on the wrong side
of the ledger!
For an old fella who has been around a long time, you're still a bit slow :-)
PPS Do let me know when you really do know how this works, please!
I have a 6 pointed gold star to pin on your chest when you are "ready" and have "earned" it.
Further to:
"You know why Mr Initials? Because I am the Son of Man, I am the fulfillment of
Twitchell's prophecy, the one who was the child in training in 1971, yes me I
AM the New Age Messiah of the Age and all before me cower in fear and
trepidation and coming running to beg me for a healing their ills, and
said I saved her from certain death inn a car accident. You can't do that Mr
Initials now can you. See, I am the greatest, for I dance like a butterfly in
cyberspace but sting like Cruise Missile! "
Our Reference is:
Initials now can you. See, I am the greatest, for I dance like a butterfly in
cyberspace but sting like Cruise Missile! "
1971-05-01 Paul Twitchell via Lawyer Clarifies misinformation Next Master & Mahanta
http://goo.gl/npKzm6
Quoting Mr Twitchell: "The next Master is a child who is in training, and who
will not be ready for at least fifteen years."
Well now, before 16 years had clicked over I had joined Eckankar, and was a
First Initiate on the outer. But operating in secret like all good Vairagi
masters are wont to do, I was already a 14th Initiate on the Inner.
Of course no body recognized this but a very few along the way. One was the
local RESA who told the group at a First Initiates meeting that, after a only
a year, what i was doing was already way past the typical lower planes level
of Soul Travel. See I was already operating at the Direct perception level ...
So there was no need for the common bells whistles experiences most have only
occasionally nor radiant forms of the Sat Guru appearing to me. How does one
appear to ones own self JR? Pretty illogical, because it is impossible, yes?
Anyway years ticked away, and then Graham Forsythe in the UK was informed on
the inner by RT, FQ and YS et al, and one of the Nine Silent Ones, that there
was already a new Mahanta LEM, and that it was time for HK to move along.
Ford Johnson was kind enough to parlay that message direct to HK who was asleep
spiritually by this time in 2001.
Doug Marman has of course already confirmed to many privately (See the Karma
Seeker book by Stefan Meyer) that there was already another Mahanta, or Pole
of the World operating, but each has to find Him for themselves. That has been
spoken of since 2008.
That hasn't been working out so well, because almost all the ECKists have been
trapped in Kal driven Vortex for so long now, the EK simply cannot get through
to them anymore. And so it is that after giving Mr Klemp until October 2011 to
move aside nicely and maturely, the time has come to speak the Truth openly and
let the chips fall where they may.
He should have done what he agreed to do decades ago now, and so soon after Oct
2011 he had serious fall on Black Ice and ended up in hospital for over 3
months.
Hey, that's not my fault, nor was it my doing. I never have to lift a finger,
such is the ways of the Vairagi Order. But the EK doesn't wait and will not be
screwed around by jackasses, or even Dumb Asses, when it's time for the winds
of change to blow!
And so now you know, and that Peetee Aitchei is my REAL Spiritual Name ... but
do use it wisely! It's not a plaything.
Peace!
PS btw the English letter ' A ' has several pronunciations, one being the
Long A = ei
Do get the Sounds right JR, they are exacting, or you'll end on the wrong side
of the ledger!
For an old fella who has been around a long time, you're still a bit slow :-)
PPS Do let me know when you really do know how this works, please!
I have a 6 pointed gold star to pin on your chest when you are "ready" and have "earned" it.
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