Sun Gods of Asia?

[Etznab]

http://tinyurl.com/3vuxus9

The previous thread no longer allows for a "reply to" option. No
matter, it only had one post (which can be viewed easily enough by
clicking the link).

Just wanted to follow up on that topic with some new information. I
don't know how true, but apparently there is a belief that Scythian
descendants comprise part of a historically marginalized people of
India. The following link suggests these people and their religion was
NOT Aryan/Brahmin.

SCYTHIC ORIGIN of the RAJPUT RACE By Mulchand Chauhan

http://rajputana.htmlplanet.com/scy_raj/scy_raj.html

It might be interesting to research / check this out.

Quoting:

The religion of the Scythians was Sun-Worship in all its forms; the
Rajput is thus not surprisingly a Sun-worshipper. They are thus
referred to in Sanskritic and Prakritic tradition as
`Sauras' (devotees of Surya). Indeed, the Saurashtra peninsula in
Gujarat is named after the Scythic Solar deity :

"the remains of numerous temples to this grand object of Scythic
homage [ the Sun ] are still to be found scattered over the peninsula;
whence its name, `Saurashtra', the country of the Sauras, or Sun-
worshippers; the Surostrene or Syrastrene of ancient geographers; its
inhabitants, the Suros of Strabo."

-- [ Met.183 ]

This religion is decidedly non-Brahminist as Sauras neither revere the
Vedas nor accept Brahmin racial supremacy. The Sauras are thus not
included among the 6 orthodox (`astik') schools of Brahmanism (Vedism
and Vaishnavism). As a result, the Rajput Saura is, along with Sudra
Shaivas, Tantriks, Bauddhas and Jainas referred to as
`nastik' (heretic) and as a result the Saura has had to suffer
considerable religious persecution.

http://rajputana.htmlplanet.com/scy_raj/scy_raj3.html

Thas section was particularly interesting to me for other reasons as
well. Reminded me of the words "sura" and "surat".

Quoting:

As a Sanskrit term, surat means "soul," [....]

http://www.associatepublisher.com/e/s/su/surat_shabd_yoga.htm

[Etznab]

For more reference, see section THE MYSTICS OF THE SUN here (last
section on page, beginning just above The Statue of Liberty).

http://sunlight.orgfree.com/history_of_sun_gazing.htm

[Etznab]

Today came across more Sun Worship among ancient peoples. Egyptians, for example. Jesus Christ is also believed to have sprung from Sun Worship.

[Etznab]

Here is the older link.

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/LY2buFu8FdQ/uzPNFDmb3XAJ

And some other trivia:

"There was a short post recently about Winter Solstice. The solstice was a very old celebration across many cultures that in some places evolved into s savior God. One that became personalized. I also recently mentioned "sun Gods of Asia". It is all connected and carefully chosen for a reason and to illustrate a point."

"But the Mahanta is the living Light, in the tradition of the ancient sun gods of Asia."

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/LY2buFu8FdQ/uzPNFDmb3XAJ

How does Twiitchell know about any Sun-Gods of Asia anyway. Got it from an Eck Master? Think again.

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/1m66RUn1fgM/uo6BdExcCAAJ

So is Twitchell talking about Eckankar here? (Search for keywords: Sun Gods.

https://selfdefinition.org/radha-soami/Paul-Twitchell-Spiritual-Notebook.pdf

Twitchell evidently changed the name Jesus not only to Rebazar Tarzs and others, but:

"[...] Jesus was no more the King of Israel who was to sit on the throne of David in order to rule the children of Abraham in righteousness, the angelic Prince who presided over the blessedness of the elect, the personification of the ideal Israelite. He was a saviour-god, after the manner of an Osiris, an Attis, a Mithra. Like them, he belonged by his origin to the celestial world ; like them, he had made his appearance on the earth ; like them, he had accomplished a work of universal redemption, efficacious and typical : like Adonis, Osiris, and Attis he had died a violent death, [... .]"

https://archive.org/stream/hibbertjournal10londuoft/hibbertjournal10londuoft_djvu.txt

OMG the Sun is like a savior that comes again and again. Like every year! Every day! (actually it is always there and people only think it rises and sets, gets hidden by clouds; from their viewpoint. And now there is the Mahanta after the manner of the Sun-Gods of Asia.

Look at the 3rd and 4th paragraphs on page 46. Who was it that put the eck masters above others? Didn't Sant Mat, or Radhasoami (Julian Johnson, Christian turned eastern religion guru from Paul Twitchell's home state of Kentucky) elevate the "guru" as well?

[fife]

Just wanted to follow up on that topic with some new information. I
don't know how true, but apparently there is a belief that Scythian
descendants comprise part of a historically marginalized people of
India. The following link suggests these people and their religion was
NOT Aryan/Brahmin.

SCYTHIC ORIGIN of the RAJPUT RACE By Mulchand Chauhan

http://rajputana.htmlplanet.com/scy_raj/scy_raj.html

It might be interesting to research / check this out.

Scythians in Wikipedia.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythians

[Etznab]

So one of the strong points along these threads was about source of information for Sun-Gods of Asia. Was it some ancient Eckankar traditional belief? Or was it paraphrased from a book and "outfitted for Eckankar"?

[Etznab]

On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 5:25:25 PM UTC-5, fife wrote:

Scythian (n.)

1540s, from Latin Scythia, from Greek Skythia, name anciently given to the region along the north coast of the Black Sea, from Skythes "a Scythian," said to be from an Indo-European root meaning "shepherd" [Room]. As an adjective from 1560s. Herodotus is responsible for Scythian disease or Scythian insanity.

https://www.etymonline.com/word/scythian

[fife]

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So one of the strong points along these threads was about source of information for Sun-Gods of Asia. Was it some ancient Eckankar traditional belief? Or was it paraphrased from a book and "outfitted for Eckankar"?

Probably just "cultural appropriation" by Paul Twitchell IMO.

[Etznab]

Is that a euphemism?

[fife]

7:43 PMEtznab
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No. It's straight up. Splashed all over the news. Appropriation of Native American culture, or this culture or that culture.

[Etznab]

Yes, but why did you use it? In context to what? IOW What is:

Probably just "cultural appropriation" by Paul Twitchell IMO.

I wrote:

"So one of the strong points along these threads was about source of information for Sun-Gods of Asia. (Did you read that?) Was it some ancient Eckankar traditional belief? Or was it paraphrased from a book and "outfitted for Eckankar"?

Umm. Did you read it? Did you see it was a paraphrase? If not a word for word copied plagiarism? Did you see any of that?

So "cultural appropriation"? Is that some kind of detraction from you? I asked "... Was it some ancient Eckankar traditional belief? Or was it paraphrased from a book and "outfitted for Eckankar"?

And you say: Probably just "cultural appropriation"??? Really? He copied it from a book! Can't you see that? So why try to turn it into something else?

[fife]

8:42 PMEtznab
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Yes, but why did you use it? In context to what? IOW What is:

Probably just "cultural appropriation" by Paul Twitchell IMO.

I wrote:

"So one of the strong points along these threads was about source of information for Sun-Gods of Asia. (Did you read that?) Was it some ancient Eckankar traditional belief? Or was it paraphrased from a book and "outfitted for Eckankar"?

Umm. Did you read it? Did you see it was a paraphrase? If not a word for word copied plagiarism? Did you see any of that?

So "cultural appropriation"? Is that some kind of detraction from you? I asked "... Was it some ancient Eckankar traditional belief? Or was it paraphrased from a book and "outfitted for Eckankar"?

And you say: Probably just "cultural appropriation"??? Really? He copied it from a book! Can't you see that? So why try to turn it into something else?

Okay. "Cultural appropriation"

cultural appropriation
[cultural appropriation]
NOUN
the unacknowledged or inappropriate adoption of the customs, practices, ideas, etc. of one people or society by members of another and typically more dominant people or society.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_appropriation

[Etznab]

Cultural appropriation via paraphrase / plagiarism. O.K. I see.

[Henosis Sage]

On Sunday, 28 June 2020 11:36:21 UTC+10, Etznab wrote:
> On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 7:53:37 PM UTC-5, fife wrote:
> > 8:42 PMEtznab
> > - show quoted text -
> > Yes, but why did you use it? In context to what? IOW What is:
> >
> > Probably just "cultural appropriation" by Paul Twitchell IMO.
> >
> > I wrote:
> >
> > "So one of the strong points along these threads was about source of information for Sun-Gods of Asia. (Did you read that?) Was it some ancient Eckankar traditional belief? Or was it paraphrased from a book and "outfitted for Eckankar"?
> >
> > Umm. Did you read it? Did you see it was a paraphrase? If not a word for word copied plagiarism? Did you see any of that?
> >
> > So "cultural appropriation"? Is that some kind of detraction from you? I asked "... Was it some ancient Eckankar traditional belief? Or was it paraphrased from a book and "outfitted for Eckankar"?
> >
> > And you say: Probably just "cultural appropriation"??? Really? He copied it from a book! Can't you see that? So why try to turn it into something else?
> >
> > Okay. "Cultural appropriation"
> >
> > cultural appropriation
> > [cultural appropriation]
> > NOUN
> > the unacknowledged or inappropriate adoption of the customs, practices, ideas, etc.
> >

> > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_appropriation
>
> Cultural appropriation via paraphrase / plagiarism. O.K. I see.

It's BS what The Fifie is sat=ying .. he TWISTING words to make up his own perosnal veriosn of exp-laining eckanakr HISTORY ...

What twitchell was NOT "cultural appropriation at all ... NOTHING like it.

He's re-writing what happened into soem thing different.

Look ... notice the clue is already in the quote provided by the dill-pickle himself.

"... of one people or society by members of another and typically more dominant people or society."

It doesn;t say ONE PERSON CAUGHT PLAGIARIEISNG .... IT SAYS THE PEOPLE = A COLLECTIVE -- that's PLURAL or a whole SOCIETY of PEOPLE ... AN obscure unknown little cult of eck followers is NOT A PEOPLE or a WHOLE SOCIETY "copying some cultruial practice fo the LESS DOMINANT member sin the larger society ...


As usual .. the twit is worng .. he is TWISTING what you said .. what is meant by PLAGIARISM BY A WRITER into something completely different ...

He's useless, seriously.


He does this crap ALL The Time .... He is an incompetent fool at this stuff ... he just MAKES IT UP AS HE GOES .... then tries to defend the INDEFENSIBLE with a QUOTE that proves he's actually WRONG all the time.

A Dim wit Etznab ... this is why I say he is "dumb" with nothing of value to add on ANY topic - every topic!!!

He might be being a prick intentionally but even his excuses for it are dumb.

[Henosis Sage]

On Sunday, 28 June 2020 16:49:35 UTC+10, Henosis Sage wrote:
> On Sunday, 28 June 2020 11:36:21 UTC+10, Etznab wrote:

sorry about the typos I was multitasking in a rush

Now, the issue here Etznab is not that guy gets things wrong it;s that

1) he is always getting things wrong, badly wrong
2) at odds with the general well known professional consensus of what X actually is or means or how X works in reality
3) he never admits that he's wrong
4 he's alwasy right and it's YOU or ME trying be control freaks that's the issue
5) or by correctign his errors and stupid mis-takes and msitakes we're pikcing on him and "criticising IM, when all it is is hey, THAT is wrong.
6) be what he said OR his TWISTING of what you and I had just said ...
7) AND while being wrong he is still using that to try and bring you down, COORECT your use of words/meanings which are correct to MAKE you and I APPEAR wrong and inaccurate when we are not ....
8) all to make him appear (falsely) to be MORE knowledgable, much more open minded appear more right more nuanced when he in FACT he is not!!!

He's a light weight pretending to be a highly experienced person on EVERY SINGLE SUBJECT ever commented on this here newsgroup ....

He REPLIES to almost every songle comment ever made and SAYS something about it ... usually judgmental about teh "Psoter" themselves or trying to correct them ... or interpret what they said and he ALWAYS get's those things WRONG - repeatedly.


AND becaue he comments on every songle thread/post the accumlated BULLSHIT he writes about would wear anyone done .. to a point where they feel like just giving up ... that yapping little DOG who never stops nipping at our heels biting you and I on the ankles.

He's an asshole basically.

An incompetent on every thing he writes about.

Argues endlessly about any non-point

He DEFENDS every LIE every INSULT every ABUSE and never ONCE has apologised nor WITHdRAWN ANY THING he has said and done DESPITE HIS ENDLESS errors AND BEING TOLD STRAIGHT UP HIS OPINIONATED JUDGMENTS / INTERPRETATIONS are Shit AND DO NOT APPLY TO EITHER YOU NOR I IN ANY WAY .

Puts words in your and my mouth never said and OBVIOUSLY not intended as that.

Twists everything totally out of context and KEEPS changing the topic of discussion from what we have actually written posted links to INTO US BEING nutjobs, insane, mentally ill, crazy, obsessed, incapable of understand his GRANDIOSE Ideas .... that it;s US who is IGNORING stuff .. eg recently Psychology .. falsely claiming I and you want to AVOID such things but we're TOO stupid to deal or "some unknown reason we don't want to deal with it" ... etc etc etc with "it" whatever his flavour of the moment is .. and on and on he goes since day one!

He is a dead set asshole.

He, is , as they say, simply FULL OF SHIT!

He's a TROLL.

He's a controlling manipulative nasty little Narcissist

Simply add this information to any FIFIE-POO comment

if you are in a relationship with a
covert narcissist who seems too good to
be true try this say:

"hey I have to give you some
feedback about something you're doing
wrong and I'm hoping that you can take
care of that"

and what will happen immediately
is something will click in the
covert a narcissist

you'll see something in their eyes
and their facial expression
(or in their written reply if its online)
and you'll know you triggered
what we call a Narcissistic INJURY

the covert narcissist will get mad and angry
but because they're adept at hiding or
true self they will they will come up
with a plan and how to hurt you

how to defend themselves
how to take away your credibility
or they just might become offensive aggressive
and try to control you by using
manipulative strategies and psychological
techniques to make you believe that
you are wrong in your judgment and
that YOU SHOULD APOLOGISE for your negative
feedback

(- by daring to point out how THEY are
IMPACTING INSULTING Hurting YOU and OTHERS
by the way they speak and BEHAVE )

again I want to remind you
covert narcissists are that tricky

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16AOOKHyddQ

[Henosis Sage]

BUT what is Etznab really talking about in his recent series of posts ....????

Yes he's talking about eckankar, yes of course, and it's own history too, ... but he's also takingly about THIS BIGGER ISSUE

Etznab
07:55 (2 hours ago)

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We have many stories. And I think the most interesting parts are the actual factual truths. Also, how people act after believing lies for generations. That is probably the most interesting of all.

REF from How Akhenaten Demolished Centuries of Egyptian Tradition
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/5Ew2di7V0w8/Pn9KRteAAQAJ

HOW and WHY people act like they do after decades of believing the Lies told by others.

People like Fifie-Poo, and LEIGH (sic) and Azutmai and Rob and hostofoceans and MARMAN too .... 'tis a long long list of affected people.

Most still stuck in denial many not but still don't get the lesson and doing the same ol' stuff they did when they were ECKists.

[Henosis Sage]

"Is that a euphemism?"

ROFL

HISTORY OF MACEDONIA
Anonymous View

"... they served the Scythian insanity, believed in the Sun, the Moon, as well as other stars, while some of them even made sacrifices to dogs."

Barking dogs chasing cars perhaps?

I really think we should discuss Fifie's predilection for cross-dressing, don't you?

[fife]

I really think we should discuss Fifie's predilection for cross-dressing, don't you?

You're writing more and more of what you say you despise, every day.

I guess you're one of your "deplorables" now. How does it feel to be out of your shell?

[fife]

How does it feel to be out of your shell?

I'm thinking, it's no real shift though. Am I right? Or am I right?

😉

[fife]

6/1/05Sean

"cher" <gruen...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:429DCDCB...@worldnet.att.net...

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<smile> me too.

George Harrison
This Is Love

Precious words drift away from their meaning
And the sun melts the chill from our lives
Helping us all to remember what we came here for
This is love, this is la la la-la love
This is love, this is la la la-la love

Little things that will change you forever
May appear from way out of the blue
Making fools of ev'rybody who don't understand
This is love, this is la la la-la love
This is love, this is la la la-la love

This is love, this is love
This is love, this is la la la-la love

Since our problems have been our own creation
They also can be overcome
When we use the power provided free to everyone
This is love, this is la la la-la love
This is love, this is la la la-la love

This is love, this is la la la-la love
This is love, this is la la la-la love
Oh, this is love, this is la la la-la love
This is love, this is la la la-la love (repeat and fade)


6/2/05cher

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Thank you! What a lovely way to start the day. <smiling>

No wonder those "psychological warriors for Eckankar" thought you had a Bright Future. Was that the real you or is what you're posting now the real you?

Nah. What you're posting now has always been the real you. You were just trying something else and it didn't work.

[Henosis Sage]

Still assuming you know how to gain "meaning" from what someone writes on a.r.e.?

FAIL

Still assuming you are an qualified Authority on everyone else, me included.

Still no apology anywhere in sight yet either, hey?

Be Still Grasshopper

[Henosis Sage]

B O R I N G

and

D E S P E R A T E


Let's recap shall we?

To understand emotional manipulators:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7j2axIRja4

QUOTE:
" NPD ... because these these
individuals have a hard time
understanding psychological concepts

TICK

they have an impaired thinking impaired
mood and moods they have impaired
control of their impulses their
relationships are often chaotic and
dysfunctional they have trouble
perceiving and relating to situations in
people

TICK

they have rigid and inflexible
thought and behavior patterns

TICK

they resist change ...
despite consequence they just can't or
won't change

TICK

you can't change a problem
if you don't think you have a problem
but worse than that you can't change a
problem if the person (with the problem)
thinks (WE ARE) the problem "

TICK TICK TICK

read more here
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/NFX1sP0Fih8/a024-q6BAQAJ

Covert Narcissists: Wolves In Sheep's Clothing.
Cloaked Narcissists. Pretend Codependents.
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/NFX1sP0Fih8/XOc4yAuCAQAJ

Here is the troll tactics list.

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/PH6FZz_xgUs/zVsARJHcAgAJ

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/PH6FZz_xgUs/KWZlRbvgAgAJ

Covert Narcissists: Wolves In Sheep's Clothing. Cloaked Narcissists.

IMPACTING INSULTING HURTiNG YOU and OTHERS

[Henosis Sage]

On Sunday, 28 June 2020 18:52:20 UTC+10, fife wrote:
> How does it feel to be out of your shell?
>
> I'm thinking, it's no real shift though. Am I right? Or am I right?
>
> 😉

you decide ...

Guess what Fife? We can not only clarify the lies with Eckankar history, but can "make and out" trolls in a.r.e. by illustrating and discussing the record of their behavior here.

Now what can you do? After already trying the following tactics:

1. Trying to appear like a non-critical genuinely interested a.r.e. poster, while mocking your target endlessly.

2. Twist people's words when the content is what you can't handle; be it the simple truth.

3. When confronted, act like a clown. Say you were just being funny.; BTW, that only works about the first three times until it shows your insincerity.

4.Act dumb, like you don't know nothing or nobody when that is convenient for you.

5. Put everything incriminating in the rear view mirror like it is history now and nobody cares. Defend your fellow trolls, and solicit their support while continuing to mock your target.

6. Get emotional and appear to be shocked and surprised when someone puts the simple truth in front of your face.

7. Desperately avoid any criticism of your troll-like tactics while going harder against your critic. Get personal and use personal names while pretending you don't do that.

8. When your back is against the wall, lie, lie, lie through your teeth until some idiot believes you are really a nice chap and it's not fair that the person you constantly mock and trash called you to account for acting like a troll.

9. Repeat like a mantra: "It doesn't matter." "Who cares?" Over and over and over and over and over and over like all the others when they had no tactic left to appear innocent.

10. Etc, etc, etc.

11. Use the words "mind" and "mental" to minimize your critics. Define them as not (according to you) spiritual.

12. Create a pseudonym to call attention away from your previous self after the previous name was "MADE" out to be a troll!

13. Appear to show that your opinions have a lot of support. That you belong to a group of people who agree with you.

[fife]

☺
I love reading you spin out of control. Well, not really. I hate seeing anyone do that to themselves. But they must love it 😬 or they wouldn't do it.

[fife]

We (you mean yourself of course) can not only clarify the lies with Eckankar history, but can "make and out" trolls in a.r.e.

I'm a troll and you're a wrecker. Wow! What a combination. Do you plan to sell tickets? Oops. No one to buy them. 😴

[fife]

And what this all has to do with Sun Gods of Asia? the topic and thread you hijacked to spread your odure, I don't know. Does anyone but you?

[fife]

And if I'm still here in one year, two years, three years? And you haven't given yourself a stroke or heart attack (you really should have your doctor check your blood pressure. I think you may be killing yourself by posting the way you have, from the condition you put yourself in to do that).

[fife]

Still no apology anywhere in sight yet either, hey?

Are you talking about the way you've been posting for weeks? Well, I know you have no self control. But it was a pretty apology you made back in '05 before you quit that time.

[fife]

And if I'm still here in one year, two years, three years? And you haven't given yourself a stroke or heart attack (you really should have your doctor check your blood pressure. I think you may be killing yourself by posting the way you have, from the condition you put yourself in to do that).

Do you think I'm kidding? It's a real possibility at your age. All that excitement? Under pressure?

[fife]

We can not only clarify the lies with Eckankar history, but can "make and out" trolls in a.r.e.

Well you're certainly out now. Come out. Finally.

[Henosis Sage]

On Sunday, 28 June 2020 22:24:44 UTC+10, fife wrote:
> Still no apology anywhere in sight yet either, hey?
>
> Are you talking about the way you've been posting for weeks? Well, I know you have no self control. But it was a pretty apology you made back in '05 before you quit that time.

ENOUGH SAID.

AS EXPECTED

more info

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/NFX1sP0Fih8/XOc4yAuCAQAJ

Here is the troll tactics list.

Now what can you do? After already trying the following tactics:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/PH6FZz_xgUs/zVsARJHcAgAJ
AND

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/PH6FZz_xgUs/KWZlRbvgAgAJ


Covert Narcissists: Wolves In Sheep's Clothing. Cloaked Narcissists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16AOOKHyddQ

[Henosis Sage]

On Sunday, 28 June 2020 22:49:58 UTC+10, fife wrote:
fife
20:40 (2 hours ago)

☺
I love reading you spin out of control. Well, not really. I hate seeing anyone do that to themselves. But they must love it 😬 or they wouldn't do it.

fife
21:00 (2 hours ago)

We (you mean yourself of course) can not only clarify the lies with Eckankar history, but can "make and out" trolls in a.r.e.

I'm a troll and you're a wrecker. Wow! What a combination. Do you plan to sell tickets? Oops. No one to buy them. 😴

fife
21:30 (1 hour ago)

And what this all has to do with Sun Gods of Asia? the topic and thread you hijacked to spread your odure, I don't know. Does anyone but you?

fife
21:50 (1 hour ago)

And if I'm still here in one year, two years, three years? And you haven't given yourself a stroke or heart attack (you really should have your doctor check your blood pressure. I think you may be killing yourself by posting the way you have, from the condition you put yourself in to do that).

fife
22:37 (32 minutes ago)

And if I'm still here in one year, two years, three years? And you haven't given yourself a stroke or heart attack (you really should have your doctor check your blood pressure. I think you may be killing yourself by posting the way you have, from the condition you put yourself in to do that).

Do you think I'm kidding? It's a real possibility at your age. All that excitement? Under pressure?

fife
22:49 (20 minutes ago)

We can not only clarify the lies with Eckankar history, but can "make and out" trolls in a.r.e.

Well you're certainly out now. Come out. Finally.

....
Oh yeah, right, like you sure have some underlying issues in need of professional help. Actually they are pretty much OVERT not under the surface.

Go hard phucker ... knock yourself out big boy.

QUOTE::

that YOU SHOULD APOLOGISE for your negative feedback ....

[[- by daring to point out how THEY are
- IMPACTING INSULTING HURTiNG YOU and OTHERS
- by the way they speak and BEHAVE ]]

..... again I want to remind you covert narcissists are that tricky

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16AOOKHyddQ

Inner N U T S H E L L

or

In a N U T S H E L L

[fife]

😲
😝 You just never get tired of yourself, do you?
👄 MAYBE I SHOULD SHOUT
👄 ALL IN CAPITAL LETTERS
👄 ALL THE TIME

Nah. Only a tosser would do that, wouldn't they?

[fife]

fife
21:30 (1 hour ago)

fife
21:50 (1 hour ago)

fife
22:37 (32 minutes ago)

fife
22:49 (20 minutes ago)

Etc. Etc. Blah Blah Blah


😄
Lets see. But if you take it by consecutive postings... it's close. But then yours are always full of ultra righteousness and that critical thinking you're always writing about.

[fife]

😅 Oh, and much, much, much (much, much) longer.

[fife]

😀 And don't forget ALL THE CAPS! That must be the ULTRA critical part.

[Tisra Til]

On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 4:59:11 PM UTC-5, Etznab wrote:
> On Friday, August 26, 2011 at 10:21:36 PM UTC-5, Etznab wrote:
> > On Aug 26, 10:10 pm, Etznab <etz...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > http://tinyurl.com/3vuxus9
> > >
> > > The previous thread no longer allows for a "reply to" option. No
> > > matter, it only had one post (which can be viewed easily enough by
> > > clicking the link).

> > >
> > > Just wanted to follow up on that topic with some new information. I
> > > don't know how true, but apparently there is a belief that Scythian
> > > descendants comprise part of a historically marginalized people of
> > > India. The following link suggests these people and their religion was
> > > NOT Aryan/Brahmin.
> > >
> > > SCYTHIC ORIGIN of the RAJPUT RACE By Mulchand Chauhan
> > >
> > > http://rajputana.htmlplanet.com/scy_raj/scy_raj.html
> > >
> > > It might be interesting to research / check this out.
> > >

> > > Quoting:
> > >
> > > The religion of the Scythians was Sun-Worship in all its forms; the
> > > Rajput is thus not surprisingly a Sun-worshipper. They are thus
> > > referred to in Sanskritic and Prakritic tradition as
> > > `Sauras' (devotees of Surya). Indeed, the Saurashtra peninsula in
> > > Gujarat is named after the Scythic Solar deity :
> > >
> > >     "the remains of numerous temples to this grand object of Scythic
> > > homage [ the Sun ] are still to be found scattered over the peninsula;
> > > whence its name, `Saurashtra', the country of the Sauras, or Sun-
> > > worshippers; the Surostrene or Syrastrene of ancient geographers; its
> > > inhabitants, the Suros of Strabo."
> > >
> > >     -- [ Met.183 ]
> > >
> > > This religion is decidedly non-Brahminist as Sauras neither revere the
> > > Vedas nor accept Brahmin racial supremacy. The Sauras are thus not
> > > included among the 6 orthodox (`astik') schools of Brahmanism (Vedism
> > > and Vaishnavism). As a result, the Rajput Saura is, along with Sudra
> > > Shaivas, Tantriks, Bauddhas and Jainas referred to as
> > > `nastik' (heretic) and as a result the Saura has had to suffer
> > > considerable religious persecution.
> > >
> > > http://rajputana.htmlplanet.com/scy_raj/scy_raj3.html
> > >
> > > Thas section was particularly interesting to me for other reasons as
> > > well. Reminded me of the words "sura" and "surat".
> > >
> > > Quoting:
> > >
> > > As a Sanskrit term, surat means "soul," [....]
> > >
> > > http://www.associatepublisher.com/e/s/su/surat_shabd_yoga.htm
> >
> > For more reference, see section THE MYSTICS OF THE SUN here (last
> > section on page, beginning just above The Statue of Liberty).
> >
> > http://sunlight.orgfree.com/history_of_sun_gazing.htm
>
> Today came across more Sun Worship among ancient peoples. Egyptians, for example. Jesus Christ is also believed to have sprung from Sun Worship.

Yes, I believe most ancient cultures had some form of Sun worship. Whether it was seen as the supreme god or as a symbol of god's power and life giving qualities. It definitely ran supreme in the lives of most people. They depended on it like no other. Astrology was likely intimately connected with the focus on the Sun, and the seasons that resulted from the Sun's activities.

[Etznab]

Agriculture was important too. Especially in the northern climates I think the Sun was a natural thing to worship.

[fife]

There's some thought that early worship was more Gaia, earth worship, associated with snake symbolism. But was replaced by the Sun as a masculine symbol.

[Henosis Sage]

[Henosis Sage]

[Henosis Sage]

On Monday, 29 June 2020 03:02:32 UTC+10, fife wrote:
> 😀 And don't forget ALL THE CAPS! That must be the ULTRA critical part.

[Henosis Sage]

On Monday, 29 June 2020 03:00:13 UTC+10, fife wrote:
> 😅 Oh, and much, much, much (much, much) longer.

[Etznab]

Fife. Can you give examples?

What about the Hindu "Dawn Maiden"?

[fife]

Etznab

Delphi is called "the navel of the world" and was used as a center of worship from prehistoric times. In later history there's evidence of Minoan use followed by early Greek then later Greek. Originally sacred to Gaia (Gaea) that was taken over in later history by Apollo.
There's a lot of history here but Delphi has always been a center in Europe.

The Hindu Dawn Maiden (Ushas) is equal to the Greek Eos and the Roman Aurora. But they're not sun gods. Ushas was the Vedic goddess of the dawn but Surya was the Vedic sun god.

https://www.rwaag.org/delphi

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ushas

[Etznab]

It seems that sometimes the sun was portrayed as feminine and sometimes masculine; or both.

Probably more as masculine during the time of Patriarchy.

[Etznab]

From the Wiki link.

She is portrayed as a beautifully adorned young woman riding in a golden chariot or a hundred chariots, drawn by golden red horses or cows,[1] on her path across the sky, making way for the Vedic sun god Surya.

[Etznab]

"Surya's iconography is often depicted riding a chariot harnessed by horses, often seven in number[1] which represent the seven colours of visible light, and seven days in a week.[4][10]"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surya

[fife]

Difficult to find a list of just Asian sun gods. They're mixed in. Also it just seems that principal cultures are represented in studies available online not all the Asian cultures.

https://www.ancient-origins.net/myths-legends-asia/utu-0011663

https://www.learnreligions.com/history-of-sun-worship-2562246

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_deity

https://www.thoughtco.com/sun-gods-and-sun-goddesses-121167

[fife]

Two more

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koyash

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tengri

[Etznab]

Yeah. I think it was a natural thing to do.

[Etznab]

One could look at the source book and author where the words came from. I think that would be a good place to follow the trail. IOW, what source did the author rely on? And that can maybe be traced back to an origin.

It's like with twitchell leading on that so much information came to him from Eck Masters via Eckankar, until one finds he copied from books. So this way the true source can be isolated and then the path traced. Often a writer, or a guru will parrot the words of his teacher, or guru. And writers use information that was mentioned by the people they admire, etc.

[Etznab]

For example. This source from October 1912 (Paul Twould have been about 3 years old then):

THE HIBBERT JOURNAL

VOL. X. 1911-1912

https://archive.org/stream/hibbertjournal10londuoft/hibbertjournal10londuoft_djvu.txt

You can find the names for a number of Gods there and look at the context by which they were used by the author. The keywords to search for (if you want to look at the appropriations by Twitchell) are the words: "like them".

[...] He was a saviour-god, after the manner of an Osiris, an Attis, a Mithra. Like them, he belonged by his origin to the celestial world; like them, he had made his appearance on the earth; like them, he had accomplished a work of universal redemption, efficacious and typical: like Adonis, Osiris, and Attis he had died a violent death, and like them he had returned to life; like them, he had prefigured in his lot that of the human beings who should take part in his worship, and commemorate his mystic enterprise (sa mystique aventure); like them, he had predetermined, prepared, and assured the salvation of those who became partners in his passion. [... .]"

https://archive.org/stream/hibbertjournal10londuoft/hibbertjournal10londuoft_djvu.txt

"[...] He may walk the earth unknown, but still he is the savior god, after the manner of Osiris, Attis, and Mithra. Like them he belongs by origin to the celestial world; like them he makes his appearance on earth and accomplishes a work of universal redemption. Like the ancient gods Adonis, Osiris, Attis, and Krishna, he often dies a strange death and then is restored to life. As in the tradition of all these sun gods, his advent and the events of his life are predestined. His way is prepared, and the salvation of those who share his suffering and passion for life and freedom is assured. [... .]"

https://selfdefinition.org/radha-soami/Paul-Twitchell-Spiritual-Notebook.pdf

A quick glance at both books and the context suggests that Twitchell "made up" the term "sun gods of Asia".

It's been a while so I'll have to go back and review all the sources, because I think there were at least two mentions of "sun gods" by Twitchell. And irt might be a good idea to review the whole topic of sun gods as well.

Here is another quote containing Sun Gods.

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/Q5NbuPou0dA/0MqfVN8OBgAJ

[Henosis Sage]

On Tuesday, 30 June 2020 09:52:53 UTC+10, Etznab wrote:


" IOW, what source did the author rely on? And that can maybe be traced back to an origin. "

But, gee that's like too much hard work for talentless lazy ignorant people
who default to wiki to appear 'knowledgeable' about a topic Etznab.

[Henosis Sage]

Besides that, those same lazy ignorant insidious people proclaim that anyone who would keep looking ta SOURCES and question the writings of Paul Twitchell and his creation of Rebazar Tarzs are NUTJOBS OBSESSIVES with mental problems and people who DON"T GET SPIRITUALITY OR PSYCHOLOGY OR THE MIND-EMOTION QUANDARY as well as the they THE LAZY IGNORANT JUDGMENTAL ABUSIVE EGOTISTICAL KNOW-IT-ALL ASSHOLES DO.

[Etznab]

Sounds like fundamentalism.

"Fundamentalism usually has a religious connotation that indicates unwavering attachment to a set of irreducible beliefs."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamentalism

That link also included the words "strict literalism", BTW.

So what was written and told by Twitchell and Eckankar people in the early days generally was a certain kind of narrative. And I don't think it is all "wrong", but what is "wrong" is taking fiction for literal truth and worshiping the LEM. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, or that people aren't even happy to practice that habit. Just look at Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy, etc. They are what people learn about in the "beginning" until later the truth cannot escape their notice. And I've heard it mentioned in this group the idea of not telling people the truth until AFTER a certain time. It's as if the liberty to believe the narrative as literally true is somehow integral to the path of Eckankar. At least until Harold Klemp came out and spoke about The Real Foundation and something about people having to know; not to mention not worshiping the LEM. There are religious fundamentalists and religious fanatics. About the latter:

"Religious fanaticism is uncritical zeal or with an obsessive enthusiasm related to one's own, or one's group's, devotion to a religion – a form of human fanaticism which could otherwise be expressed in one's other involvements and participation, including employment, role, and partisan affinities."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_fanaticism

I think both of those are but a step away from religious terrorist.

[Henosis Sage]

Yes. intolerance of diversity. narrow mindedness. myopia. and Egos instilled with self-righteous all knowing rhetoric.

in religions in every field of endeavour. including online forums of every colour.

When God wants you have a shaven head then you better comply. Or else.

Takes all kinds Jewish Orthodox, Jewish Zionists, Wahhabi Islam or Christians like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exclusive_Brethren