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Minnesota's largest newspaper has done an article about Eckankar, showing very clearly that it is by NO means about to fold over any issues about plagiarism nor do the locals consider them a problem at all. Despite some having opposite opinions, this news story makes the truth of things quite clear.
http://www.startribune.com/new-age-religion-eckankar-makes-its-home-in-chanhassen/384356371/
The single-syllable song is quiet, almost an ambient hum. But Eckists believe it’s a powerful love song to God.
The singing of Hu — pronounced “hue” — is a central practice of Eckankar, a New Age religious movement that claims tens of thousands of adherents in 100 countries and recently marked its 50th anniversary.
For more than three decades, the unlikely international center for the little-known faith has been Chanhassen.
The religion’s tenets — soul travel, reincarnation and the significance of dreams — might seem odd or otherworldly. But the campus has quietly become part of Chanhassen’s fabric: hosting Hu singing events, opening its walking trails to local residents, welcoming followers during its international conferences twice a year.
Things weren’t always so serene. When Eckankar’s leaders were buying land and planning to build their temple in the 1980s, some Chanhassen residents balked at the new neighbor.
“There’s always some trepidation whenever you have a religion outside of the traditional Christian religions we have in Minnesota,” said Todd Gerhardt, Chanhassen’s city manager. “People were scared of the unknown.”
With 173 acres, Eckankar is the fourth-largest landowner in Chanhassen, behind the Minnesota Arboretum, the late musician Prince and Bluff Creek Golf Course, Gerhardt said.
Now, he added, “We have no issues with Eckankar at all. People have accepted it, and everyone kind of goes about their day-to-day life out here.”
Eckankar, which means “co-worker with God,” has links to other religions, such as Hinduism and Buddhism. Members believe Eckankar’s teachings have ancient origins, though they’ve only recently been written down.
Eckankar is all about personal spiritual experiences, said Benny Callaghan, Eckankar’s spokesman. Some members use it to supplement other religious beliefs, while others spend years earnestly studying its teachings.
“We don’t have a conversion philosophy,” he said, and the religion doesn’t track how many members it has.
Many people come to Eckankar “because they want a burning question answered,” Callaghan said.
After having an out-of-body experience in high school, Mark Richardson was itching to know what happens after death. Reading about other people’s experiences was unsatisfactory: “I wanted to have them myself,” he said.
Always afraid of swimming, he once dreamed he was a young boy in the late 19th century. A train he was riding careened off the tracks and into an icy pond, the same pond where he’d skated as a kid. He realized he’d been that boy in another lifetime, and soon his dread of water was gone, he said.
Insights related to dreams and past lives are common for Eckankar members, who believe life on earth is a training ground and that humans will be reincarnated repeatedly until they master the lessons they need to learn.
Believers admit there are elements that may seem foreign, like the concept of a Living ECK Master, a prophet named Harold Klemp who guides believers and writes books and lessons about Eckankar. Klemp, who lives in California, is not worshiped.
A quick internet search also turns up speculation that Eckankar is a cult.
David Lane, a philosophy professor at Mt. San Antonio College in the Los Angeles area and author of several Eckankar books, said Eckankar isn’t dangerous or cultlike but “should be more honest about its origins.” Lane alleges that paragraphs in several books by Paul Twitchell, Eckankar’s founder, were copied from other religious texts.
Member Kristy Walker has heard the plagiarism accusations before and isn’t troubled by them. It wouldn’t really matter because, she said, “I’ve had so many experiences on my own.”
Abbie Burgess was raised in the faith and visited the temple for Sunday school-type classes as a kid. It gives her “a feeling of harmony,” she said.
“I guess I want to stress the normalcy of it,” Burgess said.
http://www.startribune.com/new-age-religion-eckankar-makes-its-home-in-chanhassen/384356371/
The single-syllable song is quiet, almost an ambient hum. But Eckists believe it’s a powerful love song to God.
The singing of Hu — pronounced “hue” — is a central practice of Eckankar, a New Age religious movement that claims tens of thousands of adherents in 100 countries and recently marked its 50th anniversary.
For more than three decades, the unlikely international center for the little-known faith has been Chanhassen.
The religion’s tenets — soul travel, reincarnation and the significance of dreams — might seem odd or otherworldly. But the campus has quietly become part of Chanhassen’s fabric: hosting Hu singing events, opening its walking trails to local residents, welcoming followers during its international conferences twice a year.
Things weren’t always so serene. When Eckankar’s leaders were buying land and planning to build their temple in the 1980s, some Chanhassen residents balked at the new neighbor.
“There’s always some trepidation whenever you have a religion outside of the traditional Christian religions we have in Minnesota,” said Todd Gerhardt, Chanhassen’s city manager. “People were scared of the unknown.”
With 173 acres, Eckankar is the fourth-largest landowner in Chanhassen, behind the Minnesota Arboretum, the late musician Prince and Bluff Creek Golf Course, Gerhardt said.
Now, he added, “We have no issues with Eckankar at all. People have accepted it, and everyone kind of goes about their day-to-day life out here.”
Eckankar, which means “co-worker with God,” has links to other religions, such as Hinduism and Buddhism. Members believe Eckankar’s teachings have ancient origins, though they’ve only recently been written down.
Eckankar is all about personal spiritual experiences, said Benny Callaghan, Eckankar’s spokesman. Some members use it to supplement other religious beliefs, while others spend years earnestly studying its teachings.
“We don’t have a conversion philosophy,” he said, and the religion doesn’t track how many members it has.
Many people come to Eckankar “because they want a burning question answered,” Callaghan said.
After having an out-of-body experience in high school, Mark Richardson was itching to know what happens after death. Reading about other people’s experiences was unsatisfactory: “I wanted to have them myself,” he said.
Always afraid of swimming, he once dreamed he was a young boy in the late 19th century. A train he was riding careened off the tracks and into an icy pond, the same pond where he’d skated as a kid. He realized he’d been that boy in another lifetime, and soon his dread of water was gone, he said.
Insights related to dreams and past lives are common for Eckankar members, who believe life on earth is a training ground and that humans will be reincarnated repeatedly until they master the lessons they need to learn.
Believers admit there are elements that may seem foreign, like the concept of a Living ECK Master, a prophet named Harold Klemp who guides believers and writes books and lessons about Eckankar. Klemp, who lives in California, is not worshiped.
A quick internet search also turns up speculation that Eckankar is a cult.
David Lane, a philosophy professor at Mt. San Antonio College in the Los Angeles area and author of several Eckankar books, said Eckankar isn’t dangerous or cultlike but “should be more honest about its origins.” Lane alleges that paragraphs in several books by Paul Twitchell, Eckankar’s founder, were copied from other religious texts.
Member Kristy Walker has heard the plagiarism accusations before and isn’t troubled by them. It wouldn’t really matter because, she said, “I’ve had so many experiences on my own.”
Abbie Burgess was raised in the faith and visited the temple for Sunday school-type classes as a kid. It gives her “a feeling of harmony,” she said.
“I guess I want to stress the normalcy of it,” Burgess said.
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On Wednesday, June 29, 2016 at 8:13:13 PM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:
Speaking about Paul Twitchell, the modern day founder of Eckankar, Harold Klemp (the current leader) says:
[...] He was a master compiler. [... .]"
http://www.eckankar.org/FAQ/index.html#paultwitchell
So the idea of plagiarism and copying from other texts is not just allegation only. The fact that Eckankar mentioned the word plagiarism in a major newspaper is a sign it is worth mentioning.
For those who want to look at the "plagiarism allegations" - those mentioned by David Lane and others - I have made it easy for them.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/alt.religion.eckankar/41391720
Also keyword search these archives for the words "growing list".
Yea. Not just allegations.
"And, as I mentioned before, Harold also spoke with me about his discoveries with Paul's early life while he was uncovering them, and the many books Paul had used as sources for his own writing. Harold also shared the difficulties that arose between himself and Darwin during those times."
http://www.littleknownpubs.com/Dialog_Ch_Twelve.htm
"For the reader who is interested in looking at how wide-ranging Paul's use of other materials really is, outside of the Radha Soami references that David has offered, here are a few of the books I have run across that turned out to be more than just a little bit familiar sounding:
"In The Way of the White Clouds, by Lama Govinda, a book about Tibetan Buddhist teachers, you will find the exact description Paul used when approaching Lai Tsi's cave in The Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad. In Walter Russell's book, The Secret of Light, you can hear the words of Brahm speaking to you, just like the words Brahm spoke in The Tiger's Fang. Read Darkness and the Deep, by Vardis Fisher, and you will see the origin of creation as Paul wrote about it in the Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad. A book by Edouard Schure, called The Great Initiates contains some of the same sweeping historical overview as The Spiritual Notebook. Manly Palmer Hall's Karma and Reincarnation covers the whole subject of nidanas that you will find in The ECK Vidya. Besides these, there are a few pages in The Varieties of Religious Experience, by William James, some sections from Ouspensky's The Fourth Way and In Search of the Miraculous, passages from Neville Goddard's The Power of Awareness and Awakened Imagination, and even The Bible has been a source for Paul. Lai Tsi's contemplation seed in the Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad looks very similar to one of the Psalms."
http://www.littleknownpubs.com/Dialog_Ch_Six.htm
"[...] Running across words from Paul's writings in other books surprised me at first, but I now find it an enjoyable discovery. [... .]"
http://www.littleknownpubs.com/Dialog_Ch_Six.htm
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/QsYrXh5EH3g/nK5yXYAoTvoJ
So as an Eckist one cannot escape the fact that Paul Twitchell copied, compiled and borrowed, etc. It has already been admitted in so many words. And now in the major Minnesota newspaper the word plagiarism. It is inescapable.
I saw this coming and realized this fact more than ten years ago when I began my own investigations.
What is the explanation for the plagiarisms, etc.? Experiences trump plagiarism?
Well, it must be said, I've met people who were hallucinating and thoroughly convinced they saw something that wasn't there. But no, it was really there TO THEM. And so it is possible and it happens that people can believe all kinds of things to be true ... Kinpa believed he had experiences of remote viewing where people were shitting themselves and publicly wrote about those experiences and many more here at a.r.e. Should this kind of thing "hallucinations" be encouraged? As an Eckist I don't believe all experiences should be interpreted as real. Especially delusions amounting to malicious falsehoods.
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The woman questioned stated exactly what I have been telling you for years now...no one cares about plagiarism~!
> I saw this coming and realized this fact more than ten years ago when I began my own investigations.
So what? You have claimed that Eckankar was going to fall under the weight of plagiarisms, and yet it is stronger now than it ever was under Twitchell....what you CLAIM to have seen coming, never happened...end of story!
> What is the explanation for the plagiarisms, etc.? Experiences trump plagiarism?
No one needs explanations. No court case has ever mandated that any be given either. Yet you run your delusional mouth claiming to know exactly why Twitchell did this, that, and every other thing....go look in a dictionary at the term assumption.....note that it is NOT evidence....lol
> Well, it must be said, I've met people who were hallucinating and thoroughly convinced they saw something that wasn't there. But no, it was really there TO THEM. And so it is possible and it happens that people can believe all kinds of things to be true ... Kinpa believed he had experiences of remote viewing where people were shitting themselves and publicly wrote about those experiences and many more here at a.r.e. Should this kind of thing "hallucinations" be encouraged? As an Eckist I don't believe all experiences should be interpreted as real. Especially delusions amounting to malicious falsehoods.
Yet you believe that YOU should get to decide what is real for others?? Silly boy...
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I don't use belief....and you are no ECKist, you are a liar about that. Remote viewing is the least of options that one has when Soul Traveling...perhaps you ought to do the spiritual exercises regularly until you gain the skill to be able to go OBE in full awareness as I do and many others do. PROVE anything a hallucination, delusion, or falsehood~! Can't do that can you?? Poor etznab, doesn't realize that what he sees in his mirror is black....
Etznab
Jul 2, 2016, 9:14:00 PM7/2/16
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It's time to explain how plagiarized texts equal real living masters.
Kinpa
Jul 2, 2016, 10:11:02 PM7/2/16
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First explain how plagiarism proves any of them NOT real living Masters...you are of the delusion that it does, but you have no actual evidence of that. Pure assumption does not evidence make. All of you love to jump to conclusions that have no actual evidence supporting them. That simply will never do. Eckankar is definitely growing, and shows no signs of going under, or of going away. No one cares that you believe them all to be fictions, but that is another double standard. You are doing the exact thing that you accuse all other ECKists of doing, believing in something without proof. It is delusional when an ECKist does it but it is fine for you and sean and his buddy mr. t to do the same thing?
Your own words prove you NOT a current ECKist also btw...have a wonderful 4th!
Etznab
Jul 3, 2016, 8:28:01 AM7/3/16
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Iow there are so many word for word examples and this is why both yourself and Eckankar cannot escape admitting the word plagiarism.
Let me spell it out for you ... 1620s, from -ism + plagiary (n.) "plagiarist, literary thief" (1590s) ... .
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=plagiarism
There's more ... from Latin plagiarius "kidnapper, seducer, plunderer ... .
So clearly the original meaning for this word proves what the action - even today - is talking about.
So all of those words that Paul compiled from real people, the real people who wrote them, were taken by Paul; Harold evidently likes the word "gathered" and "compiler" as forms of euphemism. Maybe (I guess) to make the action seem less than stealing. And it wouldn't have been so bad if Paul had cited the names for all those real people, because it is quite common to use the words and writings of others so long as proper citation and credit is given.
About the former, maybe Paul did include people's real names in the beginning. In fact we have evidences for this when looking at the earlier writings. This is something Harold and Doug would probably know about more in depth because they both looked at Paul's manuscripts and the library handed over by Darwin.
O.K. So what does this prove? It proves that the identity for those individuals who writings contributed to Eckankar dogma and teachings was different and that it was changed. This is something else besides plagiarism, when a person tries to take credit for stolen works by changing the name of the author.
So we have examples of Paul Twitchell and Eckankar going on record writing about and in so many words stating how Rebazar Tarzs dictated to Paul Twitchell what later became material for Eckankar books. You ask me to show proof that this amounts to fiction and I tell you that it has already been stated and it has already been discussed; even argued over and several Eckankar members left the church because of it (several who were clergy and members for decades).
The type of responses you give are clearly what a P.R. person would write who wanted to minimize the severity and repercussions of admitting the creation of pseudo history and religion; the latter elements having caused unnecessary and unloving and unkind results in the lives of many people but where the method for dealing with this and taking responsibility for it has been to "spin" the truth into something less deceitful.
You already admitted that Paul plagiarized, in other words that he "stole" from others, but you have fallen short of admitting he tried to pin responsibility for that on the Eck Masters who he named and wrote about. However, this too can be proven by the record of what Paul and Eckankar sold to people. It can be shown how Paul credited Rebazar Tarzs and others besides the real authors. This (to me) looks kinda like a criminal denying guilt and wanting to place the blame on someone else by saying He, or She did it. Iow, Paul didn't want people to know what he did so much as he wanted people to know that words of wisdom came to him by an ancient line of spiritual adepts.
From spiritual adepts or library books copied from and plagiarized? See? These are two different things. Just like the real people Paul took from and the Eck Masters he credited are two different things.
I hope my spelling this out for you helps, but I rather imagine you are still trapped in the denial, anger and bargaining bands for death of an ideal.
Etznab
Jul 3, 2016, 8:58:30 AM7/3/16
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You and I as Eckists have responsibility to be honest with what we know about the truth vs. fiction and it doesn't help to deny the truth. Not any longer. Eckankar has the documents and materials to prove beyond a doubt what fictions were created and it is they, not you and I, liable for an honest explanation. Have you considered writing to them, or asking whether Paul created fictions in the process of manufacturing Eckankar? They have the evidence that can prove to you beyond a doubt whether Paul made anything up. All that we can do is talk about and speculate for the most part, but it wasn't us who created the deeds that are in question.
Darwin and Paul are no longer living and it would seem that this would make it a buried case. But no. According to Eckankar and others the Eck Masters are "real" and because people have experiences with them. I take it this includes Rebazar Tarzs. Now you see where I am going?
Rebazar Tarzs? Is this a real person? A real living person? This is what I have been trying to establish the truth about because if he is real then he has some explaining to do. Hiding out in the Himalayas is not a protection because if he is real then he is liable for having created pseudo history and religion and I sincerly believe he needs to answer for it; since he is among the surviving culprits.
Kinpa
Jul 3, 2016, 9:39:05 AM7/3/16
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There is nothing TO escape! Neither I nor Eckankar need or want to escape anything! You really like to go off the deep end with your assumptions don't you? They are just assumptions, conclusions that you jump to that also have no evidence that leads to them. No one but you is responsible for the fact that YOU hold them as being so important. No one has to agree with you over it either.
> Let me spell it out for you ... 1620s, from -ism + plagiary (n.) "plagiarist, literary thief" (1590s) ... .
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> http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=plagiarism
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> There's more ... from Latin plagiarius "kidnapper, seducer, plunderer ... .
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> So clearly the original meaning for this word proves what the action - even today - is talking about.
So what? Paul Twitchell no longer walks the earth, no one can sue him now, and plagiarizing in no way prevents him from being a spiritual Master. No one has ever insisted that you believe him to be one however, because no one else cares what your opinion is. You just aren't that important to the rest of the world.
> So all of those words that Paul compiled from real people, the real people who wrote them, were taken by Paul; Harold evidently likes the word "gathered" and "compiler" as forms of euphemism. Maybe (I guess) to make the action seem less than stealing. And it wouldn't have been so bad if Paul had cited the names for all those real people, because it is quite common to use the words and writings of others so long as proper citation and credit is given.
>
> About the former, maybe Paul did include people's real names in the beginning. In fact we have evidences for this when looking at the earlier writings. This is something Harold and Doug would probably know about more in depth because they both looked at Paul's manuscripts and the library handed over by Darwin.
>
> O.K. So what does this prove? It proves that the identity for those individuals who writings contributed to Eckankar dogma and teachings was different and that it was changed. This is something else besides plagiarism, when a person tries to take credit for stolen works by changing the name of the author.
>
> So we have examples of Paul Twitchell and Eckankar going on record writing about and in so many words stating how Rebazar Tarzs dictated to Paul Twitchell what later became material for Eckankar books. You ask me to show proof that this amounts to fiction and I tell you that it has already been stated and it has already been discussed; even argued over and several Eckankar members left the church because of it (several who were clergy and members for decades).
You have still never shown any proof. The number of members and former clergy who have left over the issue proves nothing other than they were bothered by it. That is where it ends. It proves nothing about the validity of Eckankar, nor anything about the reality and existence, OR lack thereof, of any of the ECK Masters....it doesn't even address that issue in any way...
> The type of responses you give are clearly what a P.R. person would write who wanted to minimize the severity and repercussions of admitting the creation of pseudo history and religion; the latter elements having caused unnecessary and unloving and unkind results in the lives of many people but where the method for dealing with this and taking responsibility for it has been to "spin" the truth into something less deceitful.
Again that is nothing more than more opinion...but opinions are not valid. They do nothing to prove your point. Making these claims is deceitful on your part. You simply cannot live along side of any opinion that does not agree with your own conclusions...why so insecure? Why so unwilling to allow anyone else to have the opinions they have? Why the need to force others to accept your opinions? The "unnecessary, and unloving and unkind results in the lives of many people" are the faults of those same people. They are NOT my fault nor are they Paul Twitchell's fault, nor Harold Klemp's fault. They are not Doug Marman's fault either.
> You already admitted that Paul plagiarized, in other words that he "stole" from others, but you have fallen short of admitting he tried to pin responsibility for that on the Eck Masters who he named and wrote about. However, this too can be proven by the record of what Paul and Eckankar sold to people. It can be shown how Paul credited Rebazar Tarzs and others besides the real authors. This (to me) looks kinda like a criminal denying guilt and wanting to place the blame on someone else by saying He, or She did it. Iow, Paul didn't want people to know what he did so much as he wanted people to know that words of wisdom came to him by an ancient line of spiritual adepts.
I am quite aware of you beliefs and opinions, however, none of those are factual simply because you chose to have them....
> From spiritual adepts or library books copied from and plagiarized? See? These are two different things. Just like the real people Paul took from and the Eck Masters he credited are two different things.
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> I hope my spelling this out for you helps, but I rather imagine you are still trapped in the denial, anger and bargaining bands for death of an ideal.
No, that doesn't work. You can insist that your conclusions are the only valid ones that exist all that you want to, however all that you are doing is insisting that others accept your opinions as being the only valid conclusions. You seem to have a huge problem allowing anyone else to have their own opinions about things. This suggests that you are very insecure in your conclusions. Not real experienced with the idea of detachment either. Note the way I have consistently allowed you to hold any opinion that you want to, while also keeping my own because I know better than you do....try it sometime....there is no death of any ideal, no bargaining no anger. You can insist that those things exist in me until you are blue in the face, but that does not make them exist. Your continuing to do this again displays only how insecure you happen to be with those opinions. That is a personal issue that doesn't concern me in the least.
Perhaps you ought to find a better way of occupying your time than having this debate.
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Jul 3, 2016, 9:54:10 AM7/3/16
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The burden of proof is certainly NOT on any "defendants"...perhaps you haven't noticed that Eckankar is not in court over the issue, or any other issues....there is no burden of proof that anyone owes anyone else. You can insist that there is, but that will never make it so. What you came to realize is simply not true. Sorry. Find a way to deal with that. Nothing has changed at all in decades, you simply are unable to admit that. Eckankar's membership keeps growing. It doesn't take a degree in rocket science to see and admit that...
Otherwise a lot more of the unnecessary, unkind and unloving actions will continue to haunt the legacy of Eckankar. So Eckankar has not only been accused, but it was forced to admit whether the accusations were true, or false. Denial is a detraction preventing further inquiry and learning of the actual truth. And for years already denial has been changing into admission. Little by little the pieces are falling into place and the picture not so much a puzzle.
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> You and I as Eckists have responsibility to be honest with what we know about the truth vs. fiction and it doesn't help to deny the truth. Not any longer. Eckankar has the documents and materials to prove beyond a doubt what fictions were created and it is they, not you and I, liable for an honest explanation. Have you considered writing to them, or asking whether Paul created fictions in the process of manufacturing Eckankar? They have the evidence that can prove to you beyond a doubt whether Paul made anything up. All that we can do is talk about and speculate for the most part, but it wasn't us who created the deeds that are in question.
I don't need to write them and ask questions about Paul Twitchell. I have NO issue with him or what he did. Like a great many others, I just don't care, and don't consider it a big deal. There are no deeds in question as far as I am concerned.
> Darwin and Paul are no longer living and it would seem that this would make it a buried case. But no. According to Eckankar and others the Eck Masters are "real" and because people have experiences with them. I take it this includes Rebazar Tarzs. Now you see where I am going?
Everyone sees where you are going, it is the same place you have always gone. Why do you have such trouble with people having experiences with the ECK Masters? Even people that have never been ECKists? People that know all about the plagiarism issue and just don't consider it important? Is it because anyone having that opinion is threatening to you and your opinions? Why so insecure?
> Rebazar Tarzs? Is this a real person? A real living person? This is what I have been trying to establish the truth about because if he is real then he has some explaining to do. Hiding out in the Himalayas is not a protection because if he is real then he is liable for having created pseudo history and religion and I sincerly believe he needs to answer for it; since he is among the surviving culprits.
Yes he is a very real and living person.....why don't you go tell him that he is responsible and has some explaining to do then? He owes me nothing. He has no reason to care about or be bound by your opinions and expectations. As I've said reeatedly, you can have any opinion you want about Eckankar, Paul Twitchell, Darwin Gross, Harold Klemp, Doug Marman, myself, AND Rebazar Tarzs that you want to. But no one owes you anything over them. That is a thing that only YOU are responsible for. You own those opinions. You will never be able to force them down anyone's throat against their will. Such is life...
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Jul 3, 2016, 10:20:28 PM7/3/16
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On Thursday, 30 June 2016 11:13:13 UTC+10, Kinpa wrote:
> Minnesota's largest newspaper has done an article about Eckankar, showing very clearly that it is by NO means about to fold over any issues about plagiarism nor do the locals consider them a problem at all. Despite some having opposite opinions, this news story makes the truth of things quite clear.
>
http://www.startribune.com/new-age-religion-eckankar-makes-its-home-in-chanhassen/384356371/
The hall looks pretty empty in that photo.
> Minnesota's largest newspaper has done an article about Eckankar, showing very clearly that it is by NO means about to fold over any issues about plagiarism nor do the locals consider them a problem at all. Despite some having opposite opinions, this news story makes the truth of things quite clear.
>
http://www.startribune.com/new-age-religion-eckankar-makes-its-home-in-chanhassen/384356371/
I think group HU chants are lovely and quite uplifting.
The temple and grounds are really nice and peaceful too.
It had a 'good energy' about it, that's for sure.
From the StarTribune comments section a few quotes:
Big room, but with low ceilings!
Organized religions are the root cause of most of the worlds violence. They are a form of tribalism that's existed since the stone age. The transformation of myth over time.
No problem with eckankar but "religious" organizations that gather vast holdings of property and assets are abusing the country and taxpayers. There should be some trigger to require taxes on holdings beyond ordinary operating expenses. Also, the StarTribune publishing stories like this are providing essentially free advertising for an organization that doesn't need it.
Humans want to believe in another life so badly. What about making the life we're living better?
Seemed a little cultish, what we would now call 'Culty-McCult-Face'. But so what? They figured out a way to avoid paying taxes without leaving the country -- not unlike a whole bunch of other non-profit organizations. They keep a nice yard, since they moved out there. And as far as I know they haven't done any harm. Carry on!
God, god, gods, or none of the above, I really don't care as long as you're a decent neighbor and don't knock on my door or call at all hours pushing your silly belief system.
As long as they don't run around, putting 'heretics' and 'unbelievers' to the sword, like the Islamists and the Christians, have at it...
With 173 acres, Eckankar is the fourth-largest landowner in Chanhassen - a quick check of the Carver County tax records shows this chuch paid no property taxes for the last several years - I wonder how the citizens of of Chanhassen and Carver County feel about picking up the slack for all the lost tax revenue on this massive spread of land -
While some of us may not agree that they have the corner on religion and a path to god, there is a peaceful aspect to this article that along with being there for decades and a pretty spot (which honors the earth which has a certain religious aspect in itself) there aren't the hate messages and all that the bizarre groups down south seem to promote, nor the secrecy and exploitation that the aggressive scientologists also are known for. - Good for them, Live and let live.
I remember being concerned when they purchased this land...they did seem a little cult-like BUT, no concerns. I definitely don't embrace their beliefs and faith, but as with all religions, they are welcome to believe and worship however they would like!
Religious freedom is a cornerstone principle of our country. In this day and age, it's good to be reminded that it works.
I have lived in Chanhassen almost all my life and glad Eckankar purchased the property in the late 80's. It's a 100 acres of well kept prairie grass, a better sight than what would have been. Another 80's style neighborhood.
@hawks88 since you lived in Chanhassen so long - how to you feel about a property with land valued at 10 million paying nothing in taxes - glad you are happy to subsidize this church.
I agree with you that all religions should be paying appropriate taxes as they certainly like to use their influence in all areas outside of religion.
re: "I think all churches need to pay their fair share of taxes"
Amen (pun intended).
@ladykas And that's why labels are difficult...'Evangelical', you would think was a political group...I don't want to be aligned with the 'Evangelical's' but I am a person of faith. If I say I'm a Christian (I am), I get lumped in with the current Donald Trump supporters...and don't want to be nor would I support someone (Ted Cruz...others), simply because they say they are "Christian". Have to admit that this morning, watching the news and people of the Baptist Denomination protesting at the funeral of a young victim that was gay, I was embarrassed and truthfully angry that someone believes that is the direction for them to go in standing for their faith. Lord knows we all have enough in our life, don't think we need to be standing in judgment of others. As with a lot of things in the world today, made me sad...wanted to reach out and hug that dear family that lost their loved one to such violence!
end quotes from:
http://www.startribune.com/new-age-religion-eckankar-makes-its-home-in-chanhassen/384356371/
PLUS Etznab
3 Jul (23 hours ago)
"The plagiarisms, copying and borrowing was not my doing.
It's time to explain how plagiarized texts equal real living masters."
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/ouq9vLzVEts/Nz10O8NaAgAJ
From the 1940s to the 1960s it's clear that Paul was reading a large number of
books on spirituality and so forth. It's clear that he copied the text from
some of those books and stored those writings in folders. Later he said he
would use the content of the 'folders' to create whole book and discourse
manuscripts ... PT said: 'one day they will make me a lot of money'
It's also clear that Paul Twitchell was involved in Kriya Yoga, Vedanta,
Radhasoami Faith, Sant Mat, Light and sound teachings, studying OOBEs,
New Thought, Theosophy, Scientology during 1950-59, and researching most
faiths, the occult, mysticism, spiritualism and a little psychology.
It seems likely PTs exposure to Freemasonary and similar was through his
involvement with Swami Premananda who was a 32nd degree Mason who was both
well respected and active in the movement. Paul lived in church accommodation
at Maryland next to Washington DC from about 1950 to late 1955. He probably
got to read much of Premananda's library then
Paul Twitchell seemed to be a 'member' of and volunteer editor/writer for
Premananda's Monism/Kriya Yoga church 1950-1955, the same time PT became a
student, trainer, counselor and Media PR man for L Ron Hubbard's Scientology
from 1950-1959, and joined Kirpal Singh's Ruhani Satsang as an Initiate
1955-1965ish.
During 1961 to 1963 Paul spent a fair amount of time reading the Theosophy
Society's Library, learning about the Mormon's teaching, and hooked up with a
James Mitose, Japanese kung fu teacher who wanted to start his own religion
and build a temple. This around the Pasadena area where Hubbard's old friend
Jack Parsons who like Hubbard were members and practitioners of Aleister
Crowley's OTO in the 1940s.
Twitchell cutoff contact with these groups and people during 1963 when he
arranged for Gail Twitchell to get an initiation from Kirpal Singh on his
upcoming world tour. During 1963 and into 1964 PT was going to Ruhani Satsang
groups (Dr Lovelace west coast leader) with Gail and to Spiritualist Churches
eg the Reverend Florence S. Becker in San Francisco.
Twitchell also gave to Kirpal Singh a manuscript for The Tiger's Fang, and
asked for his approval of it at this time. Paul wrote his TFC manuscript in
early 1964 in San Fran., and also mentions in articles that 'Rebazar Tarzs'
was 'appearing' to him and took him to Agam Des to meet with the "god Eaters /
Eck masters" there.
From 1963 up to 1966 Paul was mentioning real people's names in his LTG letters and published articles about Eckankar. All those names were subsequently redacted in his texts to the names of 'eck masters' beginning in mid-1966.
AT that time there was a falling out between him and Kirpal, and PT asked for
his TTF manuscript back. Twitchell self-published this 'edited' book in 1967
but now with RT as the lead character in the 'story', not Kirpal Singh.
It's important to know that Twitchell did mention RT, Sudar Singh, Premananda,
Kirpal Singh in the same articles in the mid-1960s. Later the latter two and
all the other identities (eg Hubbard, Vivekananda, Brunton et al) were edited
out of Twitchell's Eckankar books, lectures, it's history and cosmology.
By the time IMSIAF came out in mid-1968 Paul had also 'redacted' his own
biography - iow 'dramatized' it beyond recognition .... including making it
appear as if he was then only 46 years old and born in 1922 and not in 1908/09.
So the facts show that Twitchell made many changes in his writings and teachings.
He copied other texts and turned that into the Eckankar teachings coming out
of the mouth of 'eck masters' often as 'dictation'.
He changed the names of real authors and people he knew into 'eck master'
names.
He changed the key words in religious texts into Eckankar semantics and
phrases in his eck writings.
He changed his own life history to reflect his 'narrative' and 'false framing'
of how he learnt the teachings of Eckankar and from who.
He brought together parts of over a dozen 'spiritual philosophies' into a
singular path he called Eckankar.
He then created his own Creation Myths and Cosmology about Eckankar and the
Eck Masters, and the importance of Soul Travel aka OOBEs and NDEs etc.
Eckankar's essential teachings are therefore composed of parts from Theosophy,
Radhasoami, Ruhani Satsang, Sufism, Scientology, Kriya Yoga, Bhakti Yoga,
the Ascended Masters, Buddhism, Advaita Vedanta, Freemasonary, plus New
Thought, Psychology and Mysticism.
It's quite possible that PT was 'spiritually guided' to research these
teachings by 'eck masters and RT' or led by 'spirit' and his own intuition.
However it is beyond doubt now that Twitchell copied hundreds of other texts,
at times verbatim, as he rewrote that old material into new Eckankar
manuscripts.
That's the way that it is. What people choose to make of that is up to them.
It can only help to know more about the available evidence than trusting what
other people (pseudo-experts maybe) have to say about it.
Telling everyone else that Twitchell's plagiarism only amounts to about 2% of
his total output is not only misguided imo, it is simply flat out wrong.
fwiw
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Kinpa says: Again that is nothing more than more opinion...but opinions are not valid. They do nothing to prove your point.
If that's what you believe is true, then whatever you say here is also nothing but an opinion, and not valid, and does nothing to prove whatever point you think you are trying to prove. And whatever Eckankar, Inc. has to say about anything is nothing more than opinions, and not valid either. Stop being a dumb ass, and eating your own sh*t. You have a serious problem with logic (opinion), tough guy, and looking past your own stink. Whatever you say to other people on this forum are nothing but opinions (according to YOUR definition) either, so state it, and quit arguing opinions. Be a good little Eckist, and mind your own business (NOBODY CARES - where have I heard that before?).
Go buy some land in central Florida, and start your own church, and call it the this-is-just-some-out-of-body-experiencer's-opinion church. I'm sure people will be coming to you in droves (opinion), according to your "no Eckist cares about plagiarisms" opinion (opinion).
Good God! I mean Good Sugmad!
If that's what you believe is true, then whatever you say here is also nothing but an opinion, and not valid, and does nothing to prove whatever point you think you are trying to prove. And whatever Eckankar, Inc. has to say about anything is nothing more than opinions, and not valid either. Stop being a dumb ass, and eating your own sh*t. You have a serious problem with logic (opinion), tough guy, and looking past your own stink. Whatever you say to other people on this forum are nothing but opinions (according to YOUR definition) either, so state it, and quit arguing opinions. Be a good little Eckist, and mind your own business (NOBODY CARES - where have I heard that before?).
Go buy some land in central Florida, and start your own church, and call it the this-is-just-some-out-of-body-experiencer's-opinion church. I'm sure people will be coming to you in droves (opinion), according to your "no Eckist cares about plagiarisms" opinion (opinion).
Good God! I mean Good Sugmad!
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Kinpa is an expert at unknowingly using logical fallacies aka using default
sophistry to sadly attempt to override simple notions like 1+1=2.
This is what happens when no one is actually home ... the lights just never get switched on. ;-)
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Jul 8, 2016, 12:07:41 AM7/8/16
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viewing experiences my entire life -- whatcha gonna do about that asshole?
How do you think I found all the information about Twitchell and YOURSELF dimwit?
eg Are you whoring out your current wife to lesbians and large african american
black cocks Matthew Sharpe?
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-M0yAR0UPhPMnQ0ZWkzYWc3Yk0
Susan Miller and Harold Klemp want to know.
For every LIE tp have told about me and Etznab I have responded with true facts
about yourself --- really pisses you off, and no doubt about that!
I called you out as an IDIOT back in DEC 2014 -- here you are in July 2016
proving me 100% Right on that.
But YOU are too fucking stupid to realize it still.
LOL and with a (huge shrug)
You are the dumbest and yet most disgusting scumbag of a person I have ever known or heard about from Eckankar.... YOU make Twitchell look like a genuine
SAINT who did no wrong ever.
Henosis Sage
Jul 8, 2016, 12:08:24 AM7/8/16
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Not~!
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"If you must cover yourself with dust, then take dust from the greatest of Dunes." - Shamus-i Tabriz
Oh that's right, you refuse to listen to any ECK Master's advice....continue using dust from the landfill then...as you were...
Henosis Sage
Jul 8, 2016, 12:27:20 AM7/8/16
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Hey Matthew?
Man you actually BELIEVE you are doing something grand and useful. That and that
you are absolutely right about EVERYTHING .... hello Mr Narcissist and
Psychopathic Abuser Extraordinaire of Eckankan't.
Keep bringing it brother .... more wood for the fire the bigger the 'burning at
the stake' your end will be when eventually Ex-Communicated from Eckankar.
Lovin' it.
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and re: Never going to happen....but enjoy your delusions~! I certainly am!
---
LOL you have been caught in your own delusional trap since DEC 2014 ...
Oh boy, it IS going to happen, and when you least expect it FBI and Google
Reports and more are going to catch up with you when you least expect it.
It's called 'baiting the rat trap' one day you are going to trip it. :-)
I'll remind you again you stupid little amateur and childish fool, I do NOT Lie.
The outcome is that you're well and truly 'fucked', eventually. Timing is
outside of my control, it's up to the ECK of ITSELF.
I am not responsible for any of this, for only YOU are Matthew Sharpe.
You #1 Problem is that you will not be the one making Judgments about YOUR
own behavior or YOUR Words nor YOUR Disgusting Abuse .. not only here but
elsewhere.
In case you missed it Mr Remote Viewing Narcissist - I do not Lie.
That's only something Twitchell and ECKists *like you Kinpa* are renowned for.
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If you are so sure you have this supernatural ability, then prove it and "soul travel" into my den and tell me everything that is in it. There are at least a couple of hundred things in it, so take your time. You shouldn't have any problems tuning into my vibrations and finding my location. I'll be waiting in tense anticipation for your report. :D
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HA HA HA can't do it can you, you little lying fraudulent creep~!!!
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Parrot this, Ki-Wi boy & Duffer,
Two real living people: (1) Sean in Australia when he's not smuggling porn into private girls schools after soccer practice where he entertains them with sweet-drink alcohol in plastic around their open pool and (2) his Designated Ugly Fat Friend Richard wearing fairy dust mascara with baggy sockets.
The hearsay about Paul Twitchell, you posit as 'truth' Richard may be considered libel. Burning someone at the stake of public opinion proves to be your own self-satisfying goal here with a.r.e.
You & Kiwi-Boy have yet to prove Paul Twitchell violated Federal copyright codes. Your continued use of false information serves no purpose which in fact you readily admit by your fawning rhetoric.
Before you even think of a retort or garbled reply, ask first what your intentions are and if they will be successful. Your dead ass is nothing but hide and bone now, so beating it won't make your efforts breathe again.
JR
Etznab
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On Wednesday, June 29, 2016 at 8:13:13 PM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:
> Minnesota's largest newspaper has done an article about Eckankar, showing very clearly that it is by NO means about to fold over any issues about plagiarism nor do the locals consider them a problem at all. Despite some having opposite opinions, this news story makes the truth of things quite clear.
>
> http://www.startribune.com/new-age-religion-eckankar-makes-its-home-in-chanhassen/384356371/
>
> The single-syllable song is quiet, almost an ambient hum. But Eckists believe it’s a powerful love song to God.
>
> The singing of Hu — pronounced “hue” — is a central practice of Eckankar, a New Age religious movement that claims tens of thousands of adherents in 100 countries and recently marked its 50th anniversary.
>
> For more than three decades, the unlikely international center for the little-known faith has been Chanhassen.
>
> The religion’s tenets — soul travel, reincarnation and the significance of dreams — might seem odd or otherworldly. But the campus has quietly become part of Chanhassen’s fabric: hosting Hu singing events, opening its walking trails to local residents, welcoming followers during its international conferences twice a year.
>
> Things weren’t always so serene. When Eckankar’s leaders were buying land and planning to build their temple in the 1980s, some Chanhassen residents balked at the new neighbor.
>
> “There’s always some trepidation whenever you have a religion outside of the traditional Christian religions we have in Minnesota,” said Todd Gerhardt, Chanhassen’s city manager. “People were scared of the unknown.”
>
> With 173 acres, Eckankar is the fourth-largest landowner in Chanhassen, behind the Minnesota Arboretum, the late musician Prince and Bluff Creek Golf Course, Gerhardt said.
>
> Now, he added, “We have no issues with Eckankar at all. People have accepted it, and everyone kind of goes about their day-to-day life out here.”
>
> Eckankar, which means “co-worker with God,” has links to other religions, such as Hinduism and Buddhism. Members believe Eckankar’s teachings have ancient origins, though they’ve only recently been written down.
>
> Eckankar is all about personal spiritual experiences, said Benny Callaghan, Eckankar’s spokesman. Some members use it to supplement other religious beliefs, while others spend years earnestly studying its teachings.
>
> “We don’t have a conversion philosophy,” he said, and the religion doesn’t track how many members it has.
>
> Many people come to Eckankar “because they want a burning question answered,” Callaghan said.
>
> After having an out-of-body experience in high school, Mark Richardson was itching to know what happens after death. Reading about other people’s experiences was unsatisfactory: “I wanted to have them myself,” he said.
>
> Always afraid of swimming, he once dreamed he was a young boy in the late 19th century. A train he was riding careened off the tracks and into an icy pond, the same pond where he’d skated as a kid. He realized he’d been that boy in another lifetime, and soon his dread of water was gone, he said.
>
> Insights related to dreams and past lives are common for Eckankar members, who believe life on earth is a training ground and that humans will be reincarnated repeatedly until they master the lessons they need to learn.
>
> Believers admit there are elements that may seem foreign, like the concept of a Living ECK Master, a prophet named Harold Klemp who guides believers and writes books and lessons about Eckankar. Klemp, who lives in California, is not worshiped.
>
> A quick internet search also turns up speculation that Eckankar is a cult.
>
> David Lane, a philosophy professor at Mt. San Antonio College in the Los Angeles area and author of several Eckankar books, said Eckankar isn’t dangerous or cultlike but “should be more honest about its origins.” Lane alleges that paragraphs in several books by Paul Twitchell, Eckankar’s founder, were copied from other religious texts.
>
> Member Kristy Walker has heard the plagiarism accusations before and isn’t troubled by them. It wouldn’t really matter because, she said, “I’ve had so many experiences on my own.”
>
> Abbie Burgess was raised in the faith and visited the temple for Sunday school-type classes as a kid. It gives her “a feeling of harmony,” she said.
> “I guess I want to stress the normalcy of it,” Burgess said.
[...]
> Minnesota's largest newspaper has done an article about Eckankar, showing very clearly that it is by NO means about to fold over any issues about plagiarism nor do the locals consider them a problem at all. Despite some having opposite opinions, this news story makes the truth of things quite clear.
>
> http://www.startribune.com/new-age-religion-eckankar-makes-its-home-in-chanhassen/384356371/
>
> The single-syllable song is quiet, almost an ambient hum. But Eckists believe it’s a powerful love song to God.
>
> The singing of Hu — pronounced “hue” — is a central practice of Eckankar, a New Age religious movement that claims tens of thousands of adherents in 100 countries and recently marked its 50th anniversary.
>
> For more than three decades, the unlikely international center for the little-known faith has been Chanhassen.
>
> The religion’s tenets — soul travel, reincarnation and the significance of dreams — might seem odd or otherworldly. But the campus has quietly become part of Chanhassen’s fabric: hosting Hu singing events, opening its walking trails to local residents, welcoming followers during its international conferences twice a year.
>
> Things weren’t always so serene. When Eckankar’s leaders were buying land and planning to build their temple in the 1980s, some Chanhassen residents balked at the new neighbor.
>
> “There’s always some trepidation whenever you have a religion outside of the traditional Christian religions we have in Minnesota,” said Todd Gerhardt, Chanhassen’s city manager. “People were scared of the unknown.”
>
> With 173 acres, Eckankar is the fourth-largest landowner in Chanhassen, behind the Minnesota Arboretum, the late musician Prince and Bluff Creek Golf Course, Gerhardt said.
>
> Now, he added, “We have no issues with Eckankar at all. People have accepted it, and everyone kind of goes about their day-to-day life out here.”
>
> Eckankar, which means “co-worker with God,” has links to other religions, such as Hinduism and Buddhism. Members believe Eckankar’s teachings have ancient origins, though they’ve only recently been written down.
>
> Eckankar is all about personal spiritual experiences, said Benny Callaghan, Eckankar’s spokesman. Some members use it to supplement other religious beliefs, while others spend years earnestly studying its teachings.
>
> “We don’t have a conversion philosophy,” he said, and the religion doesn’t track how many members it has.
>
> Many people come to Eckankar “because they want a burning question answered,” Callaghan said.
>
> After having an out-of-body experience in high school, Mark Richardson was itching to know what happens after death. Reading about other people’s experiences was unsatisfactory: “I wanted to have them myself,” he said.
>
> Always afraid of swimming, he once dreamed he was a young boy in the late 19th century. A train he was riding careened off the tracks and into an icy pond, the same pond where he’d skated as a kid. He realized he’d been that boy in another lifetime, and soon his dread of water was gone, he said.
>
> Insights related to dreams and past lives are common for Eckankar members, who believe life on earth is a training ground and that humans will be reincarnated repeatedly until they master the lessons they need to learn.
>
> Believers admit there are elements that may seem foreign, like the concept of a Living ECK Master, a prophet named Harold Klemp who guides believers and writes books and lessons about Eckankar. Klemp, who lives in California, is not worshiped.
>
> A quick internet search also turns up speculation that Eckankar is a cult.
>
> David Lane, a philosophy professor at Mt. San Antonio College in the Los Angeles area and author of several Eckankar books, said Eckankar isn’t dangerous or cultlike but “should be more honest about its origins.” Lane alleges that paragraphs in several books by Paul Twitchell, Eckankar’s founder, were copied from other religious texts.
>
> Member Kristy Walker has heard the plagiarism accusations before and isn’t troubled by them. It wouldn’t really matter because, she said, “I’ve had so many experiences on my own.”
>
> Abbie Burgess was raised in the faith and visited the temple for Sunday school-type classes as a kid. It gives her “a feeling of harmony,” she said.
> “I guess I want to stress the normalcy of it,” Burgess said.
"In the literature of the saints, God is expressed by many words, such as Soami, Ekankar, Nirankar, Radha Soami, Akal, Nirala, Anami, Agam, Alakh, Sat Purush, Prabhu, Prabhswami, Hari Rai, Akshar, Parameshwar, Akshar Purush, etc. All of these words have been coined in an effort to convey to human intelligence some idea of what the saints think of God, or Lord God, the highest power. Ekankar means the 'one oneness', the body of oneness. Nirankar means 'without body or form'. Soami or Swami means the 'all-pervading lord'. [... .]
[Based on: The Path of the Masters, by Julian Johnson, Copyright 1939, Sixteenth Edition 1997, Chap. Five: God and the Grand Hierarchy of the Universe, pp. 242-245. - The Path of the Masters was reportedly written in the 1930s.]
http://www.archive.org/stream/ThePathOfTheMasters/ThePathOfTheMasters_djvu.txt
http://www.archive.org/stream/ThePathOfTheMasters/ThePathOfTheMasters#page/n1/mode/2up
*** COMPARE *** COMPARE *** COMPARE *** COMPARE *** COMPARE *** COMPARE ***
[...]
"In the literature of the sacred, this divine formless spirit is expressed by many names, such as, ECKANKAR, Nirankar, Akal, Nirala, Anami, Agam, Alakh, Sat Purush, Prabhu, Prabhswami, Akashar, Paramakshar, Purusha.
"All of these words have been coined in an effort to convey to human intelligence some idea of what the Saints think of the SUGMAD, or Lord God, the highest power.
"ECKANKAR means the one oneness, the body of oneness. All, or Totality - this is the secret name og God or the SUGMAD which will be creeping into these talks between us as I go deeper into this philosophy. [... .]
[Based on: The Far Country, by Paul Twitchell, Copyright 1970, Eighth Printing - 1983, Chapter. One: The Far Country. - The Far Country was reportedly written about 1963-1964.]
http://www.archive.org/stream/farcountry017342mbp/farcountry017342mbp_djvu.txt
That section written by Paul Twitchell allegedly came by way of Rebazar Tarzs.
Example:
"Rebazar Tarzs paused for a few minutes to catch his breath. I looked out the open window at the rocks where a frenzy of violent forces were causing a great upheaval of slate, limestone, lava, granite and sandstone, mixing all into strange patterns.
"The cliffs across from the mud hut showed formations twisted and turned into gigantic whorls. I was looking at these, wondering why the SUGMAD had let nature run wild, when Tarzs spoke again.
[...]
"In the literature of the sacred, this divine formless spirit is expressed by many names, such as, ECKANKAR, Nirankar, Akal, Nirala, Anami, Agam, Alakh, Sat Purush, Prabhu, Prabhswami, Akashar, Paramakshar, Purusha.
"All of these words have been coined in an effort to convey to human intelligence some idea of what the Saints think of the SUGMAD, or Lord God, the highest power.
"ECKANKAR means the one oneness, the body of oneness. All, or Totality - this is the secret name og God or the SUGMAD which will be creeping into these talks between us as I go deeper into this philosophy.
[...]
"He finished, stood up and looked around. Outside the mountains had turned a pinkish color and then green. It was time to go and I left knowing that on the morning, Rebazar Tarzs would start again on his discussions of the Far Country.
"I would be back."
[Based on: The Far Country, by Paul Twitchell, Copyright 1970, Eighth Printing - 1983, Chapter. One: The Far Country. - The Far Country was reportedly written about 1963-1964.]
http://www.archive.org/stream/farcountry017342mbp/farcountry017342mbp_djvu.txt
Considering the number of plagiarized text taken from Julian Johnson's book, and adding that to the above sample, clearly one can find there is more than plagiarism at work here.
There are the words Ekankar and Eckankar. The former coming before the latter and used in numerous other writings besides Path Of The Masters.
I think Kirpal Singh used the spelling Ekankar as well. Was Paul Twitchell familiar with that spelling?
A quote by Doug Marman:
"Here is a transcription of Paul's actual words in the 1966 talk: Names, Places and Sounds in the Discourses.
"Eckankar is the Science of Total Awareness because it is dealing with the upper planes, and it can go quite deeply into the life of the upper planes. You’ll find that the word of itself is a mispronounced or corrupted spelling that came out of the word E-k-a-n-k-a-r (Paul verbally spells the word out), which means the One Supreme All-inclusiveness of God, or the Co-Worker of God."
So yes. Paul was familiar with that spelling, even though he spelled it in his 1963 article as "Eckankar".
In spite of that, Eckankar published The Far Country with the spelling of Eckankar. Not only that, but in a book which allegedly captured the words of some 500 + year-old Tibetan Lama named Rebazar Tarzs. This name and character which in Paul's earlier writings appeared as Jesus and others.
One example:
"[...] When the great Buddha was a poor hungry beggar in pursuit of his spiritual objectives, his true nobility stood out far more than it did when he was in the midst of his father's royal splendors. When Jesus, who might have commanded any army — so great was his mental energy — walked the dusty streets, tired and hungry in order that he might carry the bread of life to the multitudes, his greatness eclipsed all the splendors of Rome. [....]"
Based on: The Path Of The Masters - THE GREAT WORK OF THE MASTERS, p.
432, 2nd paragraph.
http://www.archive.org/stream/ThePathOfTheMasters/ThePathOfTheMasters_djvu.txt
"[...] When Buddha was a poor, hungry beggar in pursuit of his spiritual objectives, his true nobility stood out far more than it did when he was in the midst of his father's royal splendors. When Rebazar Tarzs might have commanded any army, so great was his mental energy, walked the dusty streets when in his youth, tired and hungry, in order that he might carry the spiritual message to the multitudes, his greatness eclipsed all the splendors of this world. [....]"
Based on: Letters to Gail, Volume 1, by Paul Twitchell, 5th Printing-1983, p. 117, 2nd paragraph.
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"[...] When the great Buddha was a poor hungry beggar in pursuit of his spiritual objectives, his true nobility stood out far more than it did when he was in the midst of his father's royal splendors. When Jesus, who might have commanded any army — so great was his mental energy — walked the dusty streets, tired and hungry in order that he might carry the bread of life to the multitudes, his greatness eclipsed all the splendors of Rome. [... .]"
https://archive.org/stream/ThePathOfTheMasters/ThePathOfTheMasters_djvu.txt
That section is very similar to Paul's earlier version written in his letter to Gail. It doesn't take a lot of imagination to see where he got it from; so much of The Path Of The Masters was evidently plagiarized by Paul! And also credited to Rebazar Tarzs, the "Torch Bearer" of Eckankar!
So when suddenly Rebazar Tarzs steps into the picture and appears to be the architect of all these plagiarized words is one to believe this is what adepts do? Try to deceptively rewrite history and steal the creative works of others?
I rather think that is something people do. That is something Paul Twitchell and Eckankar did! A clear cut example for the creation of pseudo history and religion for all to see.
This is why people ask questions about the Eck Masters. Many of which have been asked right here at a.r.e. and by former members of Eckankar and others for years. It is because they can clearly see and read enough to know how much copied materials and plagiarism exists, but where they were taught to believe it came from Eck Masters.
In my opinion I suspect a number of people find it nearly impossible to admit the number of plagiarms ascribed to Eck Masters without invalidating them at the same time. As a result some (not most, but some) act like spoiled children after having their lollipop taken away to prevent a sugar high. Some (keyword search this archive for Kinpa and J.R.) get angry, attack, lie and attempt to defame people who continue to ask questions, research and write about the plagiarisms.
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