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Etznab
Aug 30, 2012, 11:28:26 PM8/30/12
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Paul Twitchell took liberty to write story about meeting Sudar Singh in Paris, France, and then later India. Paul took liberty to say it happened when he was a teenager and that he lived in Sudar Singh's ashram (with his "sister") for almost a year.
Well, I just looked at the 1940 census (which is now available for free) and Paul Twitchell was listed as about 30 years old in 1940. He then would not have been a teenager in 1935. Not in my opinion.
Let's look at some more liberty. This time that taken by Harold Klemp.
"Paul first met Rebazar Tarzs in 1951 in the foothills of the Himalayas near Darjeeling. Before that on his first trip to India in 1935, he met Sudar Singh. We are still looking for information on Sudar Singh. We have gotten a lot of reports about an individual named Sundar Singh, who is not the same person at all."
http://www.eckankar.org/Masters/Peddar/man.html#training
I want to comment now.
First trip to India in 1935? Does anybody know WHERE, or WHEN Paul Twitchell said his first trip to India was 1935?
I want to comment again.
We are still looking for information on Sudar Singh? Why is "we" looking?
The year was 1935. Harold Klemp mentioned it at least twice in his talks. So what is so hard about tracing Paul Twitchell (and his "sister") to India in 1935? This doesn't even require a "mahanta consciousness" these days with available records. So Why no chapter devoted to Sudar Singh in the book: Those Wonderful ECK Masters, by Harold Klemp?
http://www.eckbooks.org/items/Those_Wonderful_ECK_Masters-96-8.html
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Just wondering what ever happened to Sudar Singh. The Sudar Singh mentioned in The Spiritual Notebook, by Paul Twitchell. Quoting excerpt ...
During the middle and later part of the nineteenth century Yu Rantga, a Chinese, lived in the Gobi Desert and was the Living ECK Master of his times. During the civil war that caused so much bloodshed, he brought back to the Chinese many of their old religious customs and gave the masses spiritual succor. He left this world after seventy-two years of service and went to the Astral Plane to work. The next Master was Sudar Singh of Allahabad, who spread ECK to Europe and other places on the globe. He lived past his nineties before passing away.
Following him is Peddar Zaskq, who was born on a packetboat in the midst of the Mississippi River, a few minutes after a great earthquake shook the mid-
South and formed a great lake in this region. He became the Mahanta, the Living ECK Master after studying under Rebazar Tarzs.
http://selfdefinition.org/yoga/Paul%20Twitchell%20-%20Spiritual%20Notebook.pdf
Btw, Sudar Singh gets more than a whole page (between 138 and 140) where Paul Twitchell quotes him.
The Eckankar Lexicon described Sudar Singh saying he was a "Living Eck Master".
Uhh ... HELLO??? Like the one right before Peddar Zaskq (spiritual name for Paul Twitchell, the Living Eck Master between 1965 and 1971).
One last set of comments now.
Why must Sudar Singh be so elusive? I know that people suggest there wasn't any real Sudar Singh. And Sudar Singh was a name (along with Rebazar Tarzs) used to replace other earlier names (of real people) used by Paul Twitchell. So what does it mean "With liberty ...."?
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According to the United States Flag Code, the Pledge of Allegiance reads:[2]
I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
[...]
Bellamy's original Pledge read as follows:[7][8]
I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
[...]
Louis A. Bowman (1872–1959), an attorney from Illinois, was the first to initiate the addition of "under God" to the Pledge. The National Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution gave him an Award of Merit as the originator of this idea.[12][13] He spent his adult life in the Chicago area and was Chaplain of the Illinois Society of the Sons of the American Revolution. At a meeting on February 12, 1948,[12]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance
That was the version of pledge I had to recite at school for many years. The one with "under God" inserted. Regardless, the ending is the same ... liberty AND justice ... .
Well, I just looked at the 1940 census (which is now available for free) and Paul Twitchell was listed as about 30 years old in 1940. He then would not have been a teenager in 1935. Not in my opinion.
Let's look at some more liberty. This time that taken by Harold Klemp.
"Paul first met Rebazar Tarzs in 1951 in the foothills of the Himalayas near Darjeeling. Before that on his first trip to India in 1935, he met Sudar Singh. We are still looking for information on Sudar Singh. We have gotten a lot of reports about an individual named Sundar Singh, who is not the same person at all."
http://www.eckankar.org/Masters/Peddar/man.html#training
I want to comment now.
First trip to India in 1935? Does anybody know WHERE, or WHEN Paul Twitchell said his first trip to India was 1935?
I want to comment again.
We are still looking for information on Sudar Singh? Why is "we" looking?
The year was 1935. Harold Klemp mentioned it at least twice in his talks. So what is so hard about tracing Paul Twitchell (and his "sister") to India in 1935? This doesn't even require a "mahanta consciousness" these days with available records. So Why no chapter devoted to Sudar Singh in the book: Those Wonderful ECK Masters, by Harold Klemp?
http://www.eckbooks.org/items/Those_Wonderful_ECK_Masters-96-8.html
***
Just wondering what ever happened to Sudar Singh. The Sudar Singh mentioned in The Spiritual Notebook, by Paul Twitchell. Quoting excerpt ...
During the middle and later part of the nineteenth century Yu Rantga, a Chinese, lived in the Gobi Desert and was the Living ECK Master of his times. During the civil war that caused so much bloodshed, he brought back to the Chinese many of their old religious customs and gave the masses spiritual succor. He left this world after seventy-two years of service and went to the Astral Plane to work. The next Master was Sudar Singh of Allahabad, who spread ECK to Europe and other places on the globe. He lived past his nineties before passing away.
Following him is Peddar Zaskq, who was born on a packetboat in the midst of the Mississippi River, a few minutes after a great earthquake shook the mid-
South and formed a great lake in this region. He became the Mahanta, the Living ECK Master after studying under Rebazar Tarzs.
http://selfdefinition.org/yoga/Paul%20Twitchell%20-%20Spiritual%20Notebook.pdf
Btw, Sudar Singh gets more than a whole page (between 138 and 140) where Paul Twitchell quotes him.
The Eckankar Lexicon described Sudar Singh saying he was a "Living Eck Master".
Uhh ... HELLO??? Like the one right before Peddar Zaskq (spiritual name for Paul Twitchell, the Living Eck Master between 1965 and 1971).
One last set of comments now.
Why must Sudar Singh be so elusive? I know that people suggest there wasn't any real Sudar Singh. And Sudar Singh was a name (along with Rebazar Tarzs) used to replace other earlier names (of real people) used by Paul Twitchell. So what does it mean "With liberty ...."?
***
According to the United States Flag Code, the Pledge of Allegiance reads:[2]
I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
[...]
Bellamy's original Pledge read as follows:[7][8]
I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
[...]
Louis A. Bowman (1872–1959), an attorney from Illinois, was the first to initiate the addition of "under God" to the Pledge. The National Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution gave him an Award of Merit as the originator of this idea.[12][13] He spent his adult life in the Chicago area and was Chaplain of the Illinois Society of the Sons of the American Revolution. At a meeting on February 12, 1948,[12]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance
That was the version of pledge I had to recite at school for many years. The one with "under God" inserted. Regardless, the ending is the same ... liberty AND justice ... .
Etznab
Aug 30, 2012, 11:38:47 PM8/30/12
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Somebody asked Paul why he didn't simply look into the ECK-Vidya whenever he needed to know something. He said he didn't want to take all the surprise and adventure out of life. I feel the same way. It's more fun to find out yourself rather than be told. This is why the ECK initiates go out and find material about Sudar Singh themselves.
Some people wonder if Rebazar Tarzs really exists. They ask if Paul just borrowed a name from the Far East and made him up. Yet people report having met the ECK Masters even before they ever heard of Eckankar. The ECK Masters are real.
[... .]
[Based on: Looking at the Past for Spiritual Lessons, by Harold Klemp]
http://www.eckankar.org/Masters/Peddar/man2.html
sean.a...@gmail.com
Aug 31, 2012, 7:49:19 AM8/31/12
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Looking at the Past for Spiritual Lessons, said Harold Klemp?
Whoa boy, whoa, hey, don't go there. It's a slippery slope far more dangerous than black ice underfoot. :-)
Whoa boy, whoa, hey, don't go there. It's a slippery slope far more dangerous than black ice underfoot. :-)
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