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Kinpa
Jul 17, 2015, 12:24:21 AM7/17/15
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Here is an opportunity for a person that claims to be an active member can prove that that claim is true....and being that I do NOT use double standards, I will post my own proof...
http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc4/FuzzBucket_01/ECK%20Member%20card_zpstiscew8u.jpg
an actual photograph taken mere moments ago....my ID number and initiation are blocked out as those are no one else's concern, but, the expiration date is clearly visible, as is my name...I went first, so now you two can do the same and I won't mention it again...
http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc4/FuzzBucket_01/ECK%20Member%20card_zpstiscew8u.jpg
an actual photograph taken mere moments ago....my ID number and initiation are blocked out as those are no one else's concern, but, the expiration date is clearly visible, as is my name...I went first, so now you two can do the same and I won't mention it again...
Kinpa
Jul 17, 2015, 12:30:27 AM7/17/15
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Henosis Sage
Jul 17, 2015, 2:59:51 AM7/17/15
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Henosis Sage
Jul 17, 2015, 3:52:04 AM7/17/15
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On Friday, 17 July 2015 14:30:27 UTC+10, Kinpa wrote:
anyone could print out a false image that "looks like an eckankar card";
or edit an old card by changing the date printing it and photographing it.
But more than these possibilities; how would anyone know if the person
RESIGNED from eckankar yesterday or back on the 17th Jan 2015 or since?
No not good enough Kinpa ... I demand REAL PROOF not ur BS.
I want to see REAL EVIDENCE .. such shoot me through your eck member website
login details (incl the PW) and I will see for myself if you're still a member.
Otherwise YOUR reputation and the LFN's total lack of credibility and "double
standards" about "copyright" insists that one should NEVER believe a single
word you ever say .. even if some kind of apparent evidence is presented.
You're as trustworthy as Twitchell and Klemp and Marman ... not one bit!
Henosis Sage
Jul 17, 2015, 3:58:21 AM7/17/15
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You're such a low life cretin in every way possible.
RE: "Here is an opportunity for a person that claims to be an
active member can prove that that claim is true...."
NO, screw you jack ass .. this is HOW that should go:
"Here is an opportunity for a person that CLAIMS he KNOWS that Etznab
is NOT an active member to PROVE that that claim is true...."
YOU made the fucking claim .. YOU back it up ...
Oh sorry, you can't can you .. so now you TWIST it backwards .... who is your
"LFN adviser" or the "Shaman" telling this is such a great idea Kinpa, because
who ever it is they are pathetic.
THAT is why a Judge will look at YOUR FALSE UNFOUNDED accusation in PUBLIC as
an egregious example of DEFAMATION under US Law.
Kinpa
Jul 17, 2015, 12:35:32 PM7/17/15
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Kinpa
Jul 17, 2015, 12:44:27 PM7/17/15
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On Friday, July 17, 2015 at 7:58:21 AM UTC, Henosis Sage wrote:
> On Friday, 17 July 2015 14:24:21 UTC+10, Kinpa wrote:
> > Here is an opportunity for a person that claims to be an active member can prove that that claim is true....and being that I do NOT use double standards, I will post my own proof...
> >
> > http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc4/FuzzBucket_01/ECK%20Member%20card_zpstiscew8u.jpg
> >
> > an actual photograph taken mere moments ago....my ID number and initiation are blocked out as those are no one else's concern, but, the expiration date is clearly visible, as is my name...I went first, so now you two can do the same and I won't mention it again...
> ----
>
> You're such a low life cretin in every way possible.
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> On Friday, 17 July 2015 14:24:21 UTC+10, Kinpa wrote:
> > Here is an opportunity for a person that claims to be an active member can prove that that claim is true....and being that I do NOT use double standards, I will post my own proof...
> >
> > http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc4/FuzzBucket_01/ECK%20Member%20card_zpstiscew8u.jpg
> >
> > an actual photograph taken mere moments ago....my ID number and initiation are blocked out as those are no one else's concern, but, the expiration date is clearly visible, as is my name...I went first, so now you two can do the same and I won't mention it again...
> ----
>
> You're such a low life cretin in every way possible.
That is YOUR opinion, but that will never make it FACT! Get over yourself...
> RE: "Here is an opportunity for a person that claims to be an
> active member can prove that that claim is true...."
>
> NO, screw you jack ass .. this is HOW that should go:
Leave me out of your homosexual fantasies, I do not swing that way...
> "Here is an opportunity for a person that CLAIMS he KNOWS that Etznab
> is NOT an active member to PROVE that that claim is true...."
>
> YOU made the fucking claim .. YOU back it up ...
Already have.....but what does it have to do with YOU in any case???
> Oh sorry, you can't can you .. so now you TWIST it backwards .... who is your
> "LFN adviser" or the "Shaman" telling this is such a great idea Kinpa, because
> who ever it is they are pathetic.
>
> THAT is why a Judge will look at YOUR FALSE UNFOUNDED accusation in PUBLIC as
> an egregious example of DEFAMATION under US Law.
Again, that is your opinion, and your incorrect interpretation of what I actually DID say regarding any shamans, which was only that they are members there, I didn't claim that any were ECK Masters nor that they are telling me anything concerning anyone....YOU decided to throw those things in there...
And no judge anywhere will be looking at anything, bring it tough guy! You have been threatening this for months, and yet you have never even retained an attorney or showed a file of evidence to anyone, much less the FBI as you continually CLAIM....more hot air in a vain attempt to intimidate....that is what internet bullies do....furthermore, I disagree with your CLAIM concerning defamation, so file charges then, and make with it...as always I will be waiting...
Kinpa
Jul 17, 2015, 2:24:12 PM7/17/15
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On Friday, July 17, 2015 at 7:52:04 AM UTC, Henosis Sage wrote:
> On Friday, 17 July 2015 14:30:27 UTC+10, Kinpa wrote:
> > On Friday, July 17, 2015 at 4:24:21 AM UTC, Kinpa wrote:
> > > Here is an opportunity for a person that claims to be an active member can prove that that claim is true....and being that I do NOT use double standards, I will post my own proof...
> > >
> > > http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc4/FuzzBucket_01/ECK%20Member%20card_zpstiscew8u.jpg
> > >
> > > an actual photograph taken mere moments ago....my ID number and initiation are blocked out as those are no one else's concern, but, the expiration date is clearly visible, as is my name...I went first, so now you two can do the same and I won't mention it again...
> >
> > And no doctored pics please, as that will be QUITE obvious, just as mine is obviously NOT doctored and is an actual photograph...
>
> ----
>
> anyone could print out a false image that "looks like an eckankar card";
> or edit an old card by changing the date printing it and photographing it.
>
> But more than these possibilities; how would anyone know if the person
> RESIGNED from eckankar yesterday or back on the 17th Jan 2015 or since?
>
> No not good enough Kinpa ... I demand REAL PROOF not ur BS.
>
> I want to see REAL EVIDENCE .. such shoot me through your eck member website
> login details (incl the PW) and I will see for myself if you're still a member.
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> On Friday, 17 July 2015 14:30:27 UTC+10, Kinpa wrote:
> > On Friday, July 17, 2015 at 4:24:21 AM UTC, Kinpa wrote:
> > > Here is an opportunity for a person that claims to be an active member can prove that that claim is true....and being that I do NOT use double standards, I will post my own proof...
> > >
> > > http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc4/FuzzBucket_01/ECK%20Member%20card_zpstiscew8u.jpg
> > >
> > > an actual photograph taken mere moments ago....my ID number and initiation are blocked out as those are no one else's concern, but, the expiration date is clearly visible, as is my name...I went first, so now you two can do the same and I won't mention it again...
> >
> > And no doctored pics please, as that will be QUITE obvious, just as mine is obviously NOT doctored and is an actual photograph...
>
> ----
>
> anyone could print out a false image that "looks like an eckankar card";
> or edit an old card by changing the date printing it and photographing it.
>
> But more than these possibilities; how would anyone know if the person
> RESIGNED from eckankar yesterday or back on the 17th Jan 2015 or since?
>
> No not good enough Kinpa ... I demand REAL PROOF not ur BS.
>
> I want to see REAL EVIDENCE .. such shoot me through your eck member website
> login details (incl the PW) and I will see for myself if you're still a member.
The exif data on the pic presented shows VERY clearly that it has NOT been doctored in ANY way...I thought you were an expert with computers? Did you not know that fact? Everyone else in the world does....and you can see the homepage of my website, and don't lie anymore, you visit it every single day, many times, and you will see listed as the top contributor, and if that isn't enough you can see on the left hand side, the 200 avatars of the last 200 members to have logged it, which is updated every minute of the day!
You will never get ANY of my info, nor passwords, as I keep telling you, I don't care what you believe! However look at it again, there have been a few updates, such as a list of the shamans that are members there...I did comment wrongly however, there aren't 20, there are actually 32....maybe you can call them "Jews" or any other derogatory term that you have used so often....you might consider calling an EMS however, i hear that crow often gets stuck in the throat of the one being made to swallow it, I'd hate to see you choke to death over your own mistakes in judgment...why don't you also, while you at making all of these CLAIMS, go get yourself a cop of ANY ECK membership card, and then change the expiration date on it, just to prove that what you're claiming is actually true...I mean unless you're scared to, mister "computer expert." You have talked the talk, now start walking it.....otherwise the obvious next case scenario is that you're taken as being a fraud...sometimes karma can be one mean bitch! Enjoy!
Kinpa
Jul 17, 2015, 2:44:06 PM7/17/15
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On Friday, July 17, 2015 at 4:24:21 AM UTC, Kinpa wrote:
Etznab
Jul 17, 2015, 5:23:39 PM7/17/15
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And if you haven't asked me then maybe you should. Maybe that would be the most respectable thing to do (since I have my card and you don't)?
Here is the opportunity.
Kinpa
Jul 17, 2015, 6:07:44 PM7/17/15
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Etznab
Jul 17, 2015, 6:15:59 PM7/17/15
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"That was how this began, I did not ever ask you. I stated that you do NOT have a current one. [... .]"
Kinpa
Jul 17, 2015, 7:10:47 PM7/17/15
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Henosis Sage
Jul 17, 2015, 11:57:32 PM7/17/15
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More defamation NOTED
Jackass
1)n. A type of Donkey
2)n. A stupid or idiotic person
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jackass
Jack·ass (jăk′ăs′)
n.
1. A male ass or donkey.
2. A foolish or stupid person; a blockhead.
American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition. Copyright © 2011
It's American slang .... Shit who knew that???
Not Kinpa, ROTFLMFAO, I guess that makes him a Jackass!
Kinpa
Jul 18, 2015, 12:41:12 AM7/18/15
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Wrong again! on ALL counts~! Don't let your anger or ignorance consume you~!!!
Henosis Sage
Jul 18, 2015, 12:41:37 AM7/18/15
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On Saturday, 18 July 2015 02:44:27 UTC+10, Kinpa wrote:
18th July, 2015 :
"Again, that is your opinion, and your incorrect interpretation of what I
actually DID say regarding any shamans, which was only that they are members
there, I didn't claim that any were ECK Masters nor that they are telling me
anything concerning anyone....YOU decided to throw those things in there... "
actually DID say regarding any shamans, which was only that they are members
there, I didn't claim that any were ECK Masters nor that they are telling me
anything concerning anyone....YOU decided to throw those things in there... "
Oh so sorry ... but YOU never ever said:
"what I actually DID say regarding any shamans, which was only that
they are members there..."
"what I actually DID say regarding any shamans, which was only that
NEVER MENTIONED ANY THING LIKE THAT ..... but still, how come I knew "that"
was what you actually meant? I must be psychic, an EK master, or a Shaman
myself. :)
PROOF LOOKS LIKE THIS:
(got lots of it; for you are the gift that never stops giving!)
"Kinpa a.r.e." Shamanism Refs:
1)
JULY 2, 2015
Once again, nothing more than opinion, from one who possesses no experience or
ability to do that which he is suggesting is so much better....however, you are
quite mistaken with your suppositions about Sant Mat and what you claim is
inaccurate at best. You CHOOSE to view it through a very small lense, but that
does not quantify the beliefs you are claiming....half the terminology Eckankar
uses is from Islam, and much also comes via Sikhism, and these are well known
facts.
[where does the other half come from? Sant Mat eg RS, Ruhani, Hindus, & New
Thought, Theosophy et al ... yes, these are well known FACTS! ]
Sant Mat itself was born from crosscurrents of Sufism and Hinduism, however,
both of these trace their origins directly back to Shamanism, which is where
sound and light teachings had their birth, to develop experience and
interpretations with discernment to the various religions that exist today.
[ Wasn't that Gakko from Venus, and Eck Master RAMAJ (Rama) when he got to
India? That's what Paul twitchell said. That's what Eckankar says, are you
really an "real ECKist" on that basis?]
The "Master and student" relationship of guidance via personal experience
originates from the same. Do the homework, this fact is still taught in every
indigenous shamanic cultures to this very day, and even those teach that ALL
paths originate from the Absolute, beyond the arena of the mind, as Eckankar
has always taught...
[ What happens when the Master isn't really a Master nor a Shaman, or even a
witch doctor? You end up with an Eckankar type "path" basically. BULLSHIT
TALKS! ]
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/bjwfENcQNN8/lelBYVTrkk8J
2)
JULY 2, 2015
"Mine are not opinions, and I prove them often....by personal experience rather
than the limited means you use, that of refusing to believe only what has been
written down....as for what I said about shamans, I work with some twenty or so
on a daily basis, from combined Yoruban and Brazilian cultures, you may believe
whatever you'd like, but these shamans work with ECK Masters also, as well as
beings that are not from Eckankar...no one even uses books to do these things,
but meetings out of body happen often...therefore, as I said, even shamans use
conscious out of body travel to do spiritual work, oh yes, and they also know
entirely about the Sound too...perhaps the reason you have never found proof is
because you never invested the time into learning how to leave the body...
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/bjwfENcQNN8/LjW2fXf2thwJ
SO ....
"I didn't claim that any were ECK Masters nor that they are telling me
anything concerning anyone....YOU decided to throw those things in there..."
written words, is that your problem here? How do you "think" I found so much "documented material on Eckankar and Twitchell history"? Plum LUCK?
As Above, So Below!
"....as for what I said about shamans, I work with some twenty or so
on a daily basis, from combined Yoruban and Brazilian cultures, you may believe
whatever you'd like, but these shamans work with ECK Masters also, as well as
beings that are not from Eckankar...no one even uses books to do these things,
but meetings out of body happen often...
"furthermore, I disagree with your CLAIM concerning defamation, so file charges
OK. Keep waiting but more patiently.
"...perhaps the reason you have never found proof is because you
never invested the time into learning how to leave the body..."
Oh really? How nice of you to say so. And you know that because the shaman's,
the eck masters, and/or your delusional mind told you so ... or you worked it
out by doing your "remote viewing" party tricks??
Fascinating.
Henosis Sage
Jul 18, 2015, 1:00:14 AM7/18/15
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3)
JULY 2, 2015 - Kinpa to Etznab
"As that is yours, however, we [the Shamans and Kinpa] who do frequently meet
obe and report the same very specific things, take us completely OUT of that
context, with definitive and widespread proofs. The fact that you get no
proof of this is irrelevant, it leaves you with your empty assumptions,
which prove absolutely nothing...
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/bjwfENcQNN8/DD8cVp35pL0J
And from these "oobe meetings" kinpa comes to a conclusion that acting as a
LYING asshole in public is good stuff and lot's of FUN... is reasonable, and justifiable, and "legal".
There's ample proof on this discussion board that I can see which would prove
beyond reasonable doubt that Kinpa is an absolute UN-spiritual unaware ignorant
unknowing unconscious egregiously delusional psychotic and an abusive idiot and
an intentional plagiarist and copyright rip off merchant.
Very hard to dissect intentional lies and manipulations from the psychotic
driven aspects.... all kind mixed up inside there which ONLY a professional
should look into. Me I have had enough of peering into "the sewer minds" of
some people who have posted comments over the years here on a.r.e..
Too much can make on sick to the stomach.
Kinpa
Jul 18, 2015, 10:26:25 AM7/18/15
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Kinpa
Jul 18, 2015, 10:22:22 PM7/18/15
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On Friday, July 17, 2015 at 7:52:04 AM UTC, Henosis Sage wrote:
> On Friday, 17 July 2015 14:30:27 UTC+10, Kinpa wrote:
> > On Friday, July 17, 2015 at 4:24:21 AM UTC, Kinpa wrote:
> > > Here is an opportunity for a person that claims to be an active member can prove that that claim is true....and being that I do NOT use double standards, I will post my own proof...
> > >
> > > http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc4/FuzzBucket_01/ECK%20Member%20card_zpstiscew8u.jpg
> > >
> > > an actual photograph taken mere moments ago....my ID number and initiation are blocked out as those are no one else's concern, but, the expiration date is clearly visible, as is my name...I went first, so now you two can do the same and I won't mention it again...
> >
> > And no doctored pics please, as that will be QUITE obvious, just as mine is obviously NOT doctored and is an actual photograph...
>
> ----
>
> anyone could print out a false image that "looks like an eckankar card";
> or edit an old card by changing the date printing it and photographing it.
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> On Friday, 17 July 2015 14:30:27 UTC+10, Kinpa wrote:
> > On Friday, July 17, 2015 at 4:24:21 AM UTC, Kinpa wrote:
> > > Here is an opportunity for a person that claims to be an active member can prove that that claim is true....and being that I do NOT use double standards, I will post my own proof...
> > >
> > > http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc4/FuzzBucket_01/ECK%20Member%20card_zpstiscew8u.jpg
> > >
> > > an actual photograph taken mere moments ago....my ID number and initiation are blocked out as those are no one else's concern, but, the expiration date is clearly visible, as is my name...I went first, so now you two can do the same and I won't mention it again...
> >
> > And no doctored pics please, as that will be QUITE obvious, just as mine is obviously NOT doctored and is an actual photograph...
>
> ----
>
> anyone could print out a false image that "looks like an eckankar card";
> or edit an old card by changing the date printing it and photographing it.
Then please show the world any degree of proof of what you are saying, meaning, show us that this photograph is something that merely "looks like" ...perhaps go find one"false image" to show an example...I happen to disagree that one can so easily find such a "false image"....so, prove what you claim....
> But more than these possibilities; how would anyone know if the person
> RESIGNED from eckankar yesterday or back on the 17th Jan 2015 or since?
The date is legible, and if said person had resigned, then it is extremely likely that they would agree with you about Eckankar in general, and would not be hiding that...so what is your point by even saying this? It literally makes absolutely NO sense.....try again...
> No not good enough Kinpa ... I demand REAL PROOF not ur BS.
And I am supposed to accept YOUR BS reasoning? Think again, that isn't going to be happening....that IS real proof, and your claim that it is BS is as yet unproven, so go right ahead and prove that.....
> I want to see REAL EVIDENCE .. such shoot me through your eck member website
> login details (incl the PW) and I will see for myself if you're still a member.
Which "eck member website" might that be? Still a member of what exactly? This was about Eckankar, not any other thing....I am not sure what "eck member website" you think that I have...
> Otherwise YOUR reputation and the LFN's total lack of credibility and "double
> standards" about "copyright" insists that one should NEVER believe a single
> word you ever say .. even if some kind of apparent evidence is presented.
Even direct evidence? It sounds as if you're actually scared to view any direct evidence, but I suppose I shouldn't be surprised, you never have had much to do with direct evidence, perhaps you are not familiar with the concept...
> You're as trustworthy as Twitchell and Klemp and Marman ... not one bit!
That is your opinion, and as always you are welcomed to it, however, you are hardly a well-studied person on any of those three persons or myself, you merely believe yourself to be....ahhh the smell of hubris is so strong in here....typical, and hilarious.....Etznab?? Where is your card? Why are you off hiding? Let's see your current membership card...unless you do not have one, but if that is the case I'd prefer if you simply admitted that...
Kinpa
Jul 18, 2015, 10:50:11 PM7/18/15
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On Saturday, July 18, 2015 at 3:54:37 AM UTC, Henosis Sage wrote:
>
> This is an admission that you really don't know the truth? For example, you wrote:
>
> "[...] I'd be happy to speak to headquarters and have them get your membership records which at the very least, would prove who was right and who was wrong about that issue. You are completely mistaken if you think that to be some sort of private info! [... .]"
>
> It would prove who was right and who was wrong? But I already told you that you were wrong. Why can't you believe that? Are you prejudiced against me?
>
> And it is not that you were wrong only once, but wrong on a number of counts as you stated (according to you) details about my membership status that were also wrong.
>
> Kinpa, Why do you continue with such an attitude against me that definitely does amount to religious persecution? You are a gambling man? Because I would say you have gambled a lot and stand to lose a lot.
>
> Again I ask. Why can't you believe that I told you the truth? Read it again. Why can't you believe that I told you the truth?
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/BrMdjOdqv8o/5m1NzvvKfu0J
>
>
>
>
>
> ----------------
> Reputations change as your behavior changes and your actions and words continue. And in this case your comment about "my opinion" is absolutely
> 100% correct. No one should pay any credence to my "opinions" - however it
> is wise for people to LOOK at the facts presented, in your own hand.
>
> The only "opinions" that count at this time, is the FBI, the Justice Dept.,
> MI State Police, and http://www.villageoflexington.com/police.htm
> and a Judge or 2. NOT ME ....
>
> "I realize that the truth is painful, ..... "
>
> Not yet you don't!
>----------------------------------------------
Then DO bring it! You've been bragging for quite some time, and I have seen not one shred of it anywhere.....
> "...but the truth also is, that this subject had nothing to do with you,
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Quite! I have been for decades....
> "...but since you have butted in, where is YOUR ID card?"
>
> In my desk draw. Why do you ask?
>----------------------------------------------------
Because you are lying....photograph and post it here then....unless you're scared for some reason to do so
>
> "Also, feel free to show ANY current evidence of us breaking ANY laws,
> copyright or otherwise..."
>
> AS we speak ... ongoing.
>-----------------------------------------
I disagree....
> "and while you're at it, go ahead and prove to the world that you do indeed
> OWN a registered copyright on ANY piece of material at your so called
> "archive." "
>
> In a word? NO I won;t. I do not have to. That and the "world" doesn't give
> a shit. (shrug) How you misuse that word is a "mental construct" and not real.
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You wish that were the case, however,it is not, and since the only place you can bring these charges against me is in the USA, you will have to abide by OUR set of laws, which require you to do so, if you cannot provide a registered copyright, you cannot sue anyone for alleged copyright infringement....feel free to check on that one if it makes you feel better to do so, but that IS the law here, and having said that, you AVE to register YOUR copyright in THIS country, if you have NOT done so, you will be suing no one here...but I look forward to your trying to...
> I don't deal in Unreality, that's your subject of expertise.
>---------------------------------------------------------------
More opinion....you may keep those, I've no need of them...
> "Or are ou just more talk with nothing to prove even a single percent of
> what you say?"
>
> Time will tell .. it always does.
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Ohhh nice! A threat! However, I disagree once again, time has already told...
> Wisdom note: "Don't count your chickens, before... you are fully aware of
> ALL the facts and the truth of those facts."
>--------------------------------------------------------------
I have been the entire time...you might consider reacquainting yourself with what you believe to be facts....or don't, it makes little difference to me...
> Good luck!
> --------------------------------------------------
Although I AM Irish, I do not need luck....
> You really need it, unless your 20 Shamans that you "converse with daily"
> can bail you out. I doubt it.
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No one needs to bail me out...it is nothing more than your pot of BS, and is no threat to me in ANY way....but if your delusions tell you otherwise, feel free to act upon them...I WILL be waiting....
> On Saturday, 18 July 2015 02:35:32 UTC+10, Kinpa wrote:
> > On Friday, July 17, 2015 at 7:52:04 AM UTC, Henosis Sage wrote:
> > > On Friday, 17 July 2015 14:30:27 UTC+10, Kinpa wrote:
> > > > On Friday, July 17, 2015 at 4:24:21 AM UTC, Kinpa wrote:
> > > > > Here is an opportunity for a person that claims to be an active member can prove that that claim is true....and being that I do NOT use double standards, I will post my own proof...
> > > > >
> > > > > http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc4/FuzzBucket_01/ECK%20Member%20card_zpstiscew8u.jpg
> > > > >
> > > > > an actual photograph taken mere moments ago....my ID number and initiation are blocked out as those are no one else's concern, but, the expiration date is clearly visible, as is my name...I went first, so now you two can do the same and I won't mention it again...
> > > >
> > > > And no doctored pics please, as that will be QUITE obvious, just as mine is obviously NOT doctored and is an actual photograph...
> > >
> > > ----
> > >
> > > anyone could print out a false image that "looks like an eckankar card";
> > > or edit an old card by changing the date printing it and photographing it.
> > >
> > > But more than these possibilities; how would anyone know if the person
> > > RESIGNED from eckankar yesterday or back on the 17th Jan 2015 or since?
> > >
> > > No not good enough Kinpa ... I demand REAL PROOF not ur BS.
> > >
> > > I want to see REAL EVIDENCE .. such shoot me through your eck member website
> > > login details (incl the PW) and I will see for myself if you're still a member.
> > >
> > > Otherwise YOUR reputation and the LFN's total lack of credibility and "double
> > > standards" about "copyright" insists that one should NEVER believe a single
> > > word you ever say .. even if some kind of apparent evidence is presented.
> > >
> > > You're as trustworthy as Twitchell and Klemp and Marman ... not one bit!
> >
> >
>
> ---- more insanity:101?
> > On Friday, July 17, 2015 at 7:52:04 AM UTC, Henosis Sage wrote:
> > > On Friday, 17 July 2015 14:30:27 UTC+10, Kinpa wrote:
> > > > On Friday, July 17, 2015 at 4:24:21 AM UTC, Kinpa wrote:
> > > > > Here is an opportunity for a person that claims to be an active member can prove that that claim is true....and being that I do NOT use double standards, I will post my own proof...
> > > > >
> > > > > http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc4/FuzzBucket_01/ECK%20Member%20card_zpstiscew8u.jpg
> > > > >
> > > > > an actual photograph taken mere moments ago....my ID number and initiation are blocked out as those are no one else's concern, but, the expiration date is clearly visible, as is my name...I went first, so now you two can do the same and I won't mention it again...
> > > >
> > > > And no doctored pics please, as that will be QUITE obvious, just as mine is obviously NOT doctored and is an actual photograph...
> > >
> > > ----
> > >
> > > anyone could print out a false image that "looks like an eckankar card";
> > > or edit an old card by changing the date printing it and photographing it.
> > >
> > > But more than these possibilities; how would anyone know if the person
> > > RESIGNED from eckankar yesterday or back on the 17th Jan 2015 or since?
> > >
> > > No not good enough Kinpa ... I demand REAL PROOF not ur BS.
> > >
> > > I want to see REAL EVIDENCE .. such shoot me through your eck member website
> > > login details (incl the PW) and I will see for myself if you're still a member.
> > >
> > > Otherwise YOUR reputation and the LFN's total lack of credibility and "double
> > > standards" about "copyright" insists that one should NEVER believe a single
> > > word you ever say .. even if some kind of apparent evidence is presented.
> > >
> > > You're as trustworthy as Twitchell and Klemp and Marman ... not one bit!
> >
> >
>
>
>
> "Except that I obviously didn't do that..."
>
> OH YES YOU DID
>
> "Except that I obviously didn't do that..."
>
>
> This is an admission that you really don't know the truth? For example, you wrote:
>
> "[...] I'd be happy to speak to headquarters and have them get your membership records which at the very least, would prove who was right and who was wrong about that issue. You are completely mistaken if you think that to be some sort of private info! [... .]"
>
> It would prove who was right and who was wrong? But I already told you that you were wrong. Why can't you believe that? Are you prejudiced against me?
>
> And it is not that you were wrong only once, but wrong on a number of counts as you stated (according to you) details about my membership status that were also wrong.
>
> Kinpa, Why do you continue with such an attitude against me that definitely does amount to religious persecution? You are a gambling man? Because I would say you have gambled a lot and stand to lose a lot.
>
> Again I ask. Why can't you believe that I told you the truth? Read it again. Why can't you believe that I told you the truth?
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/BrMdjOdqv8o/5m1NzvvKfu0J
>
>
>
>
>
> ----------------
>
>
> "my reputation has always been intact, so do not confuse YOUR opinion with MY reputation...your opinions in no way equal anything of that degree of importance to ANYONE else....."
>
> Oh really? How nice! Of course your reputation is intact. It is what it is.
>
> "my reputation has always been intact, so do not confuse YOUR opinion with MY reputation...your opinions in no way equal anything of that degree of importance to ANYONE else....."
>
> Reputations change as your behavior changes and your actions and words continue. And in this case your comment about "my opinion" is absolutely
> 100% correct. No one should pay any credence to my "opinions" - however it
> is wise for people to LOOK at the facts presented, in your own hand.
>
> The only "opinions" that count at this time, is the FBI, the Justice Dept.,
> MI State Police, and http://www.villageoflexington.com/police.htm
> and a Judge or 2. NOT ME ....
>
> "I realize that the truth is painful, ..... "
>
> Not yet you don't!
>----------------------------------------------
Then DO bring it! You've been bragging for quite some time, and I have seen not one shred of it anywhere.....
> "...but the truth also is, that this subject had nothing to do with you,
> ever, this is between myself and Richard."
>
> Sure I will abide by that "system" the day you apply it to yourself. Fair?
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Quite! I have been for decades....
> "...but since you have butted in, where is YOUR ID card?"
>
>----------------------------------------------------
Because you are lying....photograph and post it here then....unless you're scared for some reason to do so
>
> "Also, feel free to show ANY current evidence of us breaking ANY laws,
> copyright or otherwise..."
>
>-----------------------------------------
I disagree....
> "and while you're at it, go ahead and prove to the world that you do indeed
> OWN a registered copyright on ANY piece of material at your so called
> "archive." "
>
> a shit. (shrug) How you misuse that word is a "mental construct" and not real.
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You wish that were the case, however,it is not, and since the only place you can bring these charges against me is in the USA, you will have to abide by OUR set of laws, which require you to do so, if you cannot provide a registered copyright, you cannot sue anyone for alleged copyright infringement....feel free to check on that one if it makes you feel better to do so, but that IS the law here, and having said that, you AVE to register YOUR copyright in THIS country, if you have NOT done so, you will be suing no one here...but I look forward to your trying to...
> I don't deal in Unreality, that's your subject of expertise.
>---------------------------------------------------------------
More opinion....you may keep those, I've no need of them...
> "Or are ou just more talk with nothing to prove even a single percent of
> what you say?"
>
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Ohhh nice! A threat! However, I disagree once again, time has already told...
> Wisdom note: "Don't count your chickens, before... you are fully aware of
> ALL the facts and the truth of those facts."
>--------------------------------------------------------------
I have been the entire time...you might consider reacquainting yourself with what you believe to be facts....or don't, it makes little difference to me...
> Good luck!
> --------------------------------------------------
Although I AM Irish, I do not need luck....
> You really need it, unless your 20 Shamans that you "converse with daily"
> can bail you out. I doubt it.
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No one needs to bail me out...it is nothing more than your pot of BS, and is no threat to me in ANY way....but if your delusions tell you otherwise, feel free to act upon them...I WILL be waiting....
Henosis Sage
Jul 19, 2015, 1:04:22 AM7/19/15
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"You'll have to forgive me for not saying anything more than "bring it son!", because
I will withhold any further conversation on the matter until this has been finished!"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/61sNhGu87-4/AnszwrPqJXAJ
Henosis Sage
Jul 19, 2015, 5:16:56 AM7/19/15
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On Sunday, 19 July 2015 12:50:11 UTC+10, Kinpa wrote:
I missed this, because I don't actually read every thing the Jackass writes:
"... you AVE to register YOUR copyright in THIS country..."
Just for the record that is a complete UNTRUTH, a LIE, a Fraudulent comment.
It's simple CRAP Talking .. crap being Kinpa!
No wonder his Parents took him through a battery of testing to find why
he was so dumb and slow and unintelligent as a child.
He still is an idiot.... and a LYING Jackass.
Henosis Sage
Jul 19, 2015, 5:29:36 AM7/19/15
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Your "copyright" is not valid and is also completely unregistered, meaning
it holds NO legal value in ANY jurisdiction around the globe.....
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/vfRhSU0VQCM/lxx7-8QbOPYJ
This is again so pathetic .. like the dick can't even get the simplest things accurate.
Not only that but keeps on repeating this ludicrous crap endlessly ....
Now ok, maybe he's just "shit stirring" and "baiting" for a reaction, some may
think is possible.
Sure that is "possible" and he's only pretending, but that is even sadder
and psychologically sicker alternative to be happening than only being stupid.
Etznab
Jul 19, 2015, 9:01:10 AM7/19/15
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persecution (n.)
mid-14c., "oppression for the holding of a belief or opinion," from Old French persecucion "persecution, damage, affliction, suffering" (12c.) and directly from Latin persecutionem (nominative persecutio), noun of action from past participle stem of persequi "follow, pursue, hunt down; proceed against, prosecute, start a legal action," from per- "through" (see per) + sequi "follow" (see sequel). Psychological persecution complex is recorded from 1961; earlier persecution mania (1892).
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/alt.religion.eckankar/mKPJPAMq0rs/ooioRfaV-IUJ
Henosis Sage
Jul 23, 2015, 1:43:03 AM7/23/15
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On Sunday, 19 July 2015 12:50:11 UTC+10, Kinpa wrote:
> On Saturday, July 18, 2015 at 3:54:37 AM UTC, Henosis Sage wrote:
> > On Saturday, 18 July 2015 02:35:32 UTC+10, Kinpa wrote:
RE:
> > On Saturday, 18 July 2015 02:35:32 UTC+10, Kinpa wrote:
> (kinpa) "and while you're at it, go ahead and prove to the world that you do indeed
> OWN a registered copyright on ANY piece of material at your so called
> "archive." "
>
> (henosis) In a word? NO I won;t. I do not have to. That and the "world" doesn't give
> "archive." "
>
> a shit. (shrug) How you misuse that word is a "mental construct" and not real.
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RE: KINPA "...and since the only place you can bring these charges against me is in the USA, you will have to abide by OUR set of laws, which require you to do so, if you cannot provide a registered copyright, you cannot sue anyone for alleged copyright infringement...."
---------------------------------
Where does he get these fantasies from? I am not suing anyone anywhere over copyright infringement. Have no plans to , have no need to, and never said I would ..... and certainly never said to Kinpa I would be suing him for copyright infringement anytime or recently.
Why would I? I have no reason to do so.
RE: KINPA "...you AVE to register YOUR copyright in THIS country, if you have NOT done so, you will be suing no one here..."
Well I have no need to "sue anyone" for Copyright issues - and I aren't.
But I see nothing the last 15 years of research about the "essential need" to have a copyright registered in the US in order to be covered by Copyright Tort Law. Sounds, well, a pretty extreme opinion. More irrational waffle it seems.
anyway that's just for the record.
Another example of being falsely accused of doing something, thinking something, believing something or saying something that I NEVER DID DO,
THINK OR SAY.
Given this has been going on almost non-stop since Sept 2014, I think I
have been really "patient" and over and beyond "tolerant" of this person
for far too long now.
Etznab
Jul 23, 2015, 7:20:12 AM7/23/15
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THINK OR SAY.
"Given this has been going on almost non-stop since Sept 2014, I think I
have been really "patient" and over and beyond "tolerant" of this person
for far too long now."
I've seen a lot of this type of thing over the years at a.r.e. And when you go and nicely explain the truth to people they continue to lie about you.
"Given this has been going on almost non-stop since Sept 2014, I think I
have been really "patient" and over and beyond "tolerant" of this person
for far too long now."
I think what Kinpa did was a form of attack, and when you defended yourself he used that (your words) to attack you as well. He has made similar attacks against me.
Kinpa
Jul 30, 2015, 4:03:02 PM7/30/15
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Henosis Sage
Jul 30, 2015, 11:20:28 PM7/30/15
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"Neither of you have produced ANY evidence to support your claims....."
What claims have not been supported with evidence ... besides your own
false and fraudulent claims?
Etznab never "claimed" he would produce his current id card. You only demanded it.
I never "claimed" I would produce an example of a fake ID card either.
Claims not made do not require supporting evidence no matter how much some
idiot on the internet demands it.
Now, where is your evidence to support your claim that etznab was an eckist
and had not been for years????????
Where is your evidence of a "dinner party" with drunks shitting their pants?
Where is your evidence for Munchhausen syndrome?
Where is your evidence of "criminality" and "engaged in criminal activities"?
Where is your evidence for a "Patricia" woman telling you things?
Where is your evidence of religious persecution, lies or stalking against you?
Where is your evidence of anyone taking a copyright court case against you?
Where is your evidence of someone wiping up shit off the floor at etznab's?
Where is your evidence about "taped up"?
Where is your evidence about etznab going to Walmart?
Of Etznab being drunk? Of me being drunk and doing drugs?
Where is your evidence of anyone shitting their pants, messing their pants
and vomiting from being too drunk?
Where is the evidence that I can't own my own documents and writings, and
can't copyright it?
Where is your evidence of no police reports filed with Seattle Police Dept?
What kind of "research" or "inquiries" were done with the Seattle Police Dept?
Where is all this "evidence" that supports all the false claims repeatedly
made publicly here since Sept 2014 by Kinpa (aka Matt Sharpe / Shabda Preceptor
/ Sant Shabda / Jon Thorpe / Bani Dhun / Kinpa Conquers)?
There is no such evidence. None. Zero, Zip, Nada.
Evidence that Twitchell's 'Eck masters' did not say what he said they said is
here:
TWITCHELL ECKANKAR HISTORY ARCHIVE
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B-M0yAR0UPhPalFWRzl6YmlmM00&usp=sharing
› Plagiarism Evidence 70 items
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B-M0yAR0UPhPdzZTdGxkNjBTR1U&usp=sharing&tid=0B-M0yAR0UPhPalFWRzl6YmlmM00
It's a Safe Archive Space - Not a shaman to be seen, felt, heard nor
experienced' anywhere. *twinkle*
Henosis Sage
Jul 30, 2015, 11:23:44 PM7/30/15
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typo
"your claim that etznab was NOT an eckist "
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"your claim that etznab was NOT an eckist "
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Kinpa
Aug 1, 2015, 11:25:25 PM8/1/15
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I have nor had no "mental construct", that was always yourself, claiming falsely to own a copyright on items that were already owned by others, and I can prove that at anytime also, but, it probably IS smart that you admit to the lie, and I will take this as an admission to lying, because only you made the false claim, no one else ever did. You did that to yourself but try to shift blame away from yourself.....but far too man have witnessed your methods, and you will not be able to successfully shift blame away by claiming that you never made the claims. The pictures that you took and posted on google drive with your "copyright" are incriminating enough, and you cannot hide them by canging the name of your drive....in fact, when was the last time you actually went there and looked through what you have? Ever? You ought to go have a look...
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > RE: KINPA "...and since the only place you can bring these charges against me is in the USA, you will have to abide by OUR set of laws, which require you to do so, if you cannot provide a registered copyright, you cannot sue anyone for alleged copyright infringement...."
> > > >
> > > > Where does he get these fantasies from? I am not suing anyone anywhere over copyright infringement. Have no plans to , have no need to, and never said I would ..... and certainly never said to Kinpa I would be suing him for copyright infringement anytime or recently.
> > > >
> > > > Why would I? I have no reason to do so.
This is a lie....deleting your post does not delete it from history, regardless of what you would like to believe. I have the evidence plain and simple. By the way, edited "screenshots" can never be evidence, by which I mean those of my site that you have created and shown hoping to pull off another bluff, simply laughable...amateurish as always....
> > > > RE: KINPA "...you AVE to register YOUR copyright in THIS country, if you have NOT done so, you will be suing no one here..."
> > > >
> > > > Well I have no need to "sue anyone" for Copyright issues - and I aren't.
I'm glad you have decid3d to admit that you were lying previously, I knew it the entire time being that you own NO copyrights to anything and therefore cannot sue ANYONE for copyright infringement nor piracy of any kind...furthermore the FBI office at the embassy in your province is not a place where you can actually initiate charges of any kind, they are merely a liason office....again you have utterly FAILED to do your homework! Typical!
> > > >
> > > > But I see nothing the last 15 years of research about the "essential need" to have a copyright registered in the US in order to be covered by Copyright Tort Law. Sounds, well, a pretty extreme opinion. More irrational waffle it seems.
Not even remotely, IF you want to bring charges against ANY American via the FBI, for piracy or any such thing (and you DID specifically threaten that, I have the proof of it) you actually DO need to register said copyright (the ones tat YOU claim to own) in the United States....go look up the copyright office, it is hardly an opinion, it is fact, and foreign citizens are constantly invited and urged to do this for their own protection! You ought to really stop talking shit, it isn't making you look very intelligent so far....you should also look up the treaties between the USA and Australia and familiarize yourself with what the laws that govern YOU actually say! They are quite easy to find, do the work!
> > > > anyway that's just for the record.
> > > >
> > > > Another example of being falsely accused of doing something, thinking something, believing something or saying something that I NEVER DID DO,
> > > > THINK OR SAY.
> > > >
> > > > Given this has been going on almost non-stop since Sept 2014, I think I
> > > > have been really "patient" and over and beyond "tolerant" of this person
> > > > for far too long now.
Take our "tolerance" and "patience" and shove those sideways where the sun won't shine! You have lied constantly and consistently, and I can prove that beyond the shadow of a doubt.
> > > "[...] Another example of being falsely accused of doing something, thinking something, believing something or saying something that I NEVER DID DO,
> > > THINK OR SAY.
> > >
> > > "Given this has been going on almost non-stop since Sept 2014, I think I
> > > have been really "patient" and over and beyond "tolerant" of this person
> > > for far too long now."
Again with the lie? LOL, Okay then, your own choice!
> > > I've seen a lot of this type of thing over the years at a.r.e. And when you go and nicely explain the truth to people they continue to lie about you.
> > >
> > > I think what Kinpa did was a form of attack, and when you defended yourself he used that (your words) to attack you as well. He has made similar attacks against me.
> >
> > Claim anything you'd like against me, but where is your CURRENT ID card?? Where is sean's example of how easy it is to make a fake one? Neither of you have produced ANY evidence to support your claims.....tsk tsk tsk....
Henosis Sage
Jul 31
"Neither of you have produced ANY evidence to support your claims....."
What claims have not been supported with evidence ... besides your own
false and fraudulent claims?
Etznab never "claimed" he would produce his current id card. You only demanded it.
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What claims have not been supported with evidence ... besides your own
false and fraudulent claims?
Etznab never "claimed" he would produce his current id card. You only demanded it.
Richard claimed falsely that he IS a current member, and yet cannot prove so, period, even you can understand that, so stop talking smack, use only the truth! Unless you're afraid to....
I never "claimed" I would produce an example of a fake ID card either.
Claims not made do not require supporting evidence no matter how much some
idiot on the internet demands it.
You claimed that ANYONE could easily fake the card I showed.....PROVE THAT!
Now, where is your evidence to support your claim that etznab was an eckist
and had not been for years????????
I don't need any.....he can prove me wrong anytime he chooses to....unless he CAN'T! PUT UP OR SHUT UP~!!!!!!
Where is your evidence of a "dinner party" with drunks shitting their pants?
Only one drunk shitting his pants, but I said that already didn't I? When did I ever say I would show proof?? I guess I never did, but since you used that as an excuse, why can't I? Double standard again???
Where is your evidence for Munchhausen syndrome?
YOU prove that almost daily!
Where is your evidence of "criminality" and "engaged in criminal activities"?
See above...or PROVE OTHERWISE~!!!
Where is your evidence for a "Patricia" woman telling you things?
I never said that any Patricia told me anything! Are ou having trouble recognizing what I DID say? I've left every comment posted so that you could check, so why don't you go look at what I actually said? I said that YOU knew a Patricia and that she dumped YOU! Why does that BOTHER you so much????
Where is your evidence of religious persecution, lies or stalking against you?
I have it all saved and stored, why do you ask???
Where is your evidence of anyone taking a copyright court case against you?
I have YOU threatening that many times....I've already posted links so that you could see those.....duh
Where is your evidence of someone wiping up shit off the floor at etznab's?
Where is Etznab's that it DIDN'T happen??
Where is your evidence about "taped up"?
I don't need any...do you have any to show otherwise??
Where is your evidence about etznab going to Walmart?
I would need to be summoned to court to show that....but I had considered that common knowledge that even the villiage idiot would know....
Of Etznab being drunk? Of me being drunk and doing drugs?
Why do I need evidence for? Or did just the words bother you THIS much???
Where is your evidence of anyone shitting their pants, messing their pants
and vomiting from being too drunk?
See above
Where is the evidence that I can't own my own documents and writings, and
can't copyright it?
You have no self-written documents or writings that you could copyright and own. The books and magazines that you bought are already copyrighted and owned, therefore you CANNOT photograph those and copyright the photographs as that is copyright infringement by definition....read the law!
Where is your evidence of no police reports filed with Seattle Police Dept?
The King County, WA public records are my proofs, and ANYONE can look at those and see that there were no police reports filed, as NO police reports in the USA can be filed and NOT be in the public record.....I guess you didn't know that tidbit....one more proof of your own lack of knowledge about the law, ANYWHERE in the world! Try again!
What kind of "research" or "inquiries" were done with the Seattle Police Dept?
Concerning you, or me?
Where is all this "evidence" that supports all the false claims repeatedly
made publicly here since Sept 2014 by Kinpa (aka Matt Sharpe / Shabda Preceptor
/ Sant Shabda / Jon Thorpe / Bani Dhun / Kinpa Conquers)?
There is no such evidence. None. Zero, Zip, Nada.
I have ALL of it! Is that good enough for you? LOL It will HAVE to be because I have yet to decide to show you any more of it than I have already posted....your problem, not mine, but your claims of "There is no such evidence. None. Zero, Zip, Nada. " are flat wrong and inaccurate! End of story!
Evidence that Twitchell's 'Eck masters' did not say what he said they said is
here:
TWITCHELL ECKANKAR HISTORY ARCHIVE
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B-M0yAR0UPhPalFWRzl6YmlmM00&usp=sharing
› Plagiarism Evidence 70 items
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B-M0yAR0UPhPdzZTdGxkNjBTR1U&usp=sharing&tid=0B-M0yAR0UPhPalFWRzl6YmlmM00
There is that TEHA again, all of it bearing your illegal and false "copyrights."
It's a Safe Archive Space - Not a shaman to be seen, felt, heard nor
experienced' anywhere. *twinkle*
I never told you that any shaman would do anything to it or to you....once again you're so busy making stupid and inaccurate assumptions you forgot to go and witness that facts! Typical, amateurish sean once again, one can always count on this from him! However he DID repeatedly call on many shamans and utter statements AT them, and they all have seen those, so what they may or may not do in response to those things uttered publicly by sean arundel, I cannot say, he would have to contact those individuals himself and ask to find that out, I never claimed anything except that it was perhaps not a very good idea for him to do that.....the end......however, I MUST say, that sean and etznab protest a bit TOO LOUDLY and TOO MUCH for being as innocent as they claim....
Henosis Sage
Aug 2, 2015, 1:41:44 AM8/2/15
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Kinpa
Aug 2, 2015, 2:28:17 PM8/2/15
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Henosis Sage
Aug 2, 2015, 10:04:35 PM8/2/15
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consciously choosing NOT to even bother trying to understand the ravings of
a lunatic on the internet is the primary reason. (shrug)
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