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1983-08-07 FALSE ACCUSATIONS LIST made against the ECK Master Sri DARWIN GROSS
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Peetee Aitchei
Sep 28, 2014, 10:38:16 PM9/28/14
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1983-08-07 FALSE ACCUSATIONS MADE AGAINST DARWIN GROSS
[my statements added]
According to court documents filed in the United States District Court for the District of Oregon by Eckankar's attorneys ESLER & SCHNEIDER, Darwin Gross breached his contract as President of Eckankar (and his lifetime employment agreement which gave him $65,000 a year for the rest of his life) by the following "material" respects:
A. Diverting corporate opportunities to his own private benefit and profit; [provably not true]
B. Using corporate assets for his own private benefit without any legitimate or reasonable benefit to defendant [Eckankar] or its corporate purposes; [provably not true]
C. Regularly and habitually failing to perform his duties as an officer of defendant [Eckankar]; [provably not true]
D. Failing to live up to the high moral image expected of an officer and Trustee of a religious corporation; [Hearsay value judgments and opinions of those with no authority to make such a claim - Never proven beyond reasonable doubt in a Court of Law - legally irrelevant to the singlualr reason that DG lost his 1984/85 civil case against Eckankar]
E. Failing to support and assist the Living ECK Master [Harold Klemp] in spreading the message of ECKANKAR; [provably not true]
F. Failing to show reasonable respect and courtesy to the Living ECK Master [Harold Klemp]. [Hearsay value judgments and opinions of those with no authority to make such a claim - Never proven beyond reasonable doubt in a Court of Law - legally irrelevant to the singular reason that DG lost his 1984/85 civil case against Eckankar]
G. Converting and attempting to convert property of ECKANKAR to plaintiff's [Darwin Gross'] advantage; [provably not true]
H. Transferring and attempting to transfer property of and rights outside the direct control of defendant in contravention of the direct instructions of the Living ECK Master and defendant's Board of Trustees; [provably not true]
I. Teaching and spreading doctrines which, in the opinion of the Living ECK Master, are not consistent with the teachings of ECKANKAR; [Hearsay value judgments and opinions of those with no authority to make such a claim - Never proven beyond reasonable doubt in a Court of Law - legally irrelevant to the singular reason that DG lost his 1984/85 civil case against Eckankar]
J. Failing to retire when requested to do so; and [provably not true]
K. Failing to retire from public activities upon his termination as defendant's president and when requested to do so by the Living ECK Master. [Defendent and LEM had NO Legal authority to direct DG to do or not do anything post his unilateral Termination by Defendant (Eckankar Board of Trustees) - irrelevant as only a value based opinion with zero legal standing - Patently contrary to and against the spirit of the Bill of Rights of the USA, and precedents set by the US Supreme Court ~ Right to Free Speech and Right to Freedom of Belief and Religion ~ Contrary to the UN Declaration of Human Rights, ratified by the USofA. ]
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Comment: What we have here is a failure to communicate.
Communication is a two way street. It only takes ONE PARTY to Cause a breakdown in Communication. Manifold documentary and sworn testimony evidence is available can prove beyond reasonable doubt that the CAUSE of the breakdown in Communication falls predominately upon the shoulders of one Mr Harold Klemp himself.
There are many reasons for this.
One being having his mind poisoned by offcie gossip, the evil tongue, in that he took as true things that were said as "hearsay" that were not ever necessarily true or accurate, and that Klmep NEVER ONCE asked Darwin Gross personally, one on one or in a "Priest Penitence Communication", about the many accusations made against him by unknown others spreading such Gossip.
Joan Cross (Klemp's personal secretary, indiscreet lover, and later his wife) and Chris Morris (recently terminated ex-Business Manager, Trustee and Corporate Treasurer), and Joanne Spall (Eck Office Manager and also public critic of David Lane in Fate Mag letters April 1983) among others.
And two being his extremely unstable emotional states, and an extreme long term paranoid psychological state of Klemp at that time.
THis might very well go back to Klemps serious "psychotic break" he had in 1971 when jumping off a bridge, stripping in airport, claiming he was Jesus Christ incarnate, being institutionalized in a mental facility for months by Court Order, and yet falsely believing that that must have been a God-Realization experience when it was nothing of the kind.
And three the threat made against Klemp personally by Patti Simpson-Rivinus, in writing, if he failed to act to terminate Darwin Gross immediately.
Klemp was incapable and incompetent to maturely, legally, ethically and morally to cope with the high level of stress he was experiencing at that time, and as a result of the constant disturbed and delusional state of mind caused by him believing 100% in the words, writings and teachings of Eckankar put out by Paul Twitchell in the 1960s and early 1970s.
More later ... ... as PT used to say to Gail in his letters.
[my statements added]
According to court documents filed in the United States District Court for the District of Oregon by Eckankar's attorneys ESLER & SCHNEIDER, Darwin Gross breached his contract as President of Eckankar (and his lifetime employment agreement which gave him $65,000 a year for the rest of his life) by the following "material" respects:
A. Diverting corporate opportunities to his own private benefit and profit; [provably not true]
B. Using corporate assets for his own private benefit without any legitimate or reasonable benefit to defendant [Eckankar] or its corporate purposes; [provably not true]
C. Regularly and habitually failing to perform his duties as an officer of defendant [Eckankar]; [provably not true]
D. Failing to live up to the high moral image expected of an officer and Trustee of a religious corporation; [Hearsay value judgments and opinions of those with no authority to make such a claim - Never proven beyond reasonable doubt in a Court of Law - legally irrelevant to the singlualr reason that DG lost his 1984/85 civil case against Eckankar]
E. Failing to support and assist the Living ECK Master [Harold Klemp] in spreading the message of ECKANKAR; [provably not true]
F. Failing to show reasonable respect and courtesy to the Living ECK Master [Harold Klemp]. [Hearsay value judgments and opinions of those with no authority to make such a claim - Never proven beyond reasonable doubt in a Court of Law - legally irrelevant to the singular reason that DG lost his 1984/85 civil case against Eckankar]
G. Converting and attempting to convert property of ECKANKAR to plaintiff's [Darwin Gross'] advantage; [provably not true]
H. Transferring and attempting to transfer property of and rights outside the direct control of defendant in contravention of the direct instructions of the Living ECK Master and defendant's Board of Trustees; [provably not true]
I. Teaching and spreading doctrines which, in the opinion of the Living ECK Master, are not consistent with the teachings of ECKANKAR; [Hearsay value judgments and opinions of those with no authority to make such a claim - Never proven beyond reasonable doubt in a Court of Law - legally irrelevant to the singular reason that DG lost his 1984/85 civil case against Eckankar]
J. Failing to retire when requested to do so; and [provably not true]
K. Failing to retire from public activities upon his termination as defendant's president and when requested to do so by the Living ECK Master. [Defendent and LEM had NO Legal authority to direct DG to do or not do anything post his unilateral Termination by Defendant (Eckankar Board of Trustees) - irrelevant as only a value based opinion with zero legal standing - Patently contrary to and against the spirit of the Bill of Rights of the USA, and precedents set by the US Supreme Court ~ Right to Free Speech and Right to Freedom of Belief and Religion ~ Contrary to the UN Declaration of Human Rights, ratified by the USofA. ]
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Comment: What we have here is a failure to communicate.
Communication is a two way street. It only takes ONE PARTY to Cause a breakdown in Communication. Manifold documentary and sworn testimony evidence is available can prove beyond reasonable doubt that the CAUSE of the breakdown in Communication falls predominately upon the shoulders of one Mr Harold Klemp himself.
There are many reasons for this.
One being having his mind poisoned by offcie gossip, the evil tongue, in that he took as true things that were said as "hearsay" that were not ever necessarily true or accurate, and that Klmep NEVER ONCE asked Darwin Gross personally, one on one or in a "Priest Penitence Communication", about the many accusations made against him by unknown others spreading such Gossip.
Joan Cross (Klemp's personal secretary, indiscreet lover, and later his wife) and Chris Morris (recently terminated ex-Business Manager, Trustee and Corporate Treasurer), and Joanne Spall (Eck Office Manager and also public critic of David Lane in Fate Mag letters April 1983) among others.
And two being his extremely unstable emotional states, and an extreme long term paranoid psychological state of Klemp at that time.
THis might very well go back to Klemps serious "psychotic break" he had in 1971 when jumping off a bridge, stripping in airport, claiming he was Jesus Christ incarnate, being institutionalized in a mental facility for months by Court Order, and yet falsely believing that that must have been a God-Realization experience when it was nothing of the kind.
And three the threat made against Klemp personally by Patti Simpson-Rivinus, in writing, if he failed to act to terminate Darwin Gross immediately.
Klemp was incapable and incompetent to maturely, legally, ethically and morally to cope with the high level of stress he was experiencing at that time, and as a result of the constant disturbed and delusional state of mind caused by him believing 100% in the words, writings and teachings of Eckankar put out by Paul Twitchell in the 1960s and early 1970s.
More later ... ... as PT used to say to Gail in his letters.
Etznab
Sep 29, 2014, 12:46:08 AM9/29/14
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Why would Patti want Darwin removed? Because that was something Gail wanted? I am not sure why Patti would want him removed.
Was it Patti alone? or a group of 8th initiates that wanted the removal?
Also, wasn't Patti also herself removed as secretary?
Somehow this looks confusing to me.
I can only wonder if Patti and Darwin both knew the truth about plagiarisms and about coverups and because somebody's head had to roll for it that they both tried to see that it happened to the other, but not them.
Paul was not alive to take the rap. However, Darwin was in charge for about 10 years and Patti help prepare a lot of the books. If they knew then they were culpable.
Here's the thing as I see it. If a person was unaware of the plagiarisms, the redactions, etc., they could naturally claim ignorance for continuing to promote literature without crediting (or telling people the truth about) the actual creator and author of certain texts and teachings. The matter is not the same, however, for people who know the truth and continue to hide it.
Within an organization when things go bad they look for a place to place the blame. And usually this happens to a person. Usually it is not the leadership, even if they are at fault, or culpable, but the weight falls on an underling.
So when the truth broke about plagiarisms, name changes, fictional biographical information and a general pattern of not telling the truth (truths that could no longer be hidden and covered up) it would naturally demand an explanation. The organization would have to explain it to the membership. So it is true that (according to D.M.) after finding a "growing list" Harold Klemp gave a series of talks about Paul Twitchell, etc. All that jazz about "death of an ideal" and no longer making a God out of a man (like it was never intended). And the admission that Paul Twitchell compiled, or borrowed from other authors. I think by that time Harold had no choice but to address certain things. However, it does look like he stopped short of putting the blame of plagiarism onto Eck Masters (unless their name was Paul Twitchell). But Paul T. and Eckankar publications claimed that so many words came from Rebazar Tarzs and other Eck Masters. So why aren't those Eck Masters answering for the plagiarisms? Where in all of the writings do the Eck Masters (like Rebazar Tarzs) explain to people why they evidently "borrowed" material from library books and told Paul Twitchell to use it in his own books?
If they are fiction and not real then they would not be able to answer. I think that is something to consider as a possibility (when following the truth wherever it leads).
It was pretty clear as day to me what the 1980s alleged scandals were all about. What I saw was that the dominoes started to fall after evidence of plagiarisms and fictions started to become public. I suspect this at least started in the 1970s and much of the evidence that became public ran contrary to what I think most people were led to believe.
So there is a natural responsibility and need to explain "Why is it that we were not told about these things?" It's really that simple, IMHO. Paul was not alive to explain it. And his successors might not have understood it enough to adequately explain it. How would they know? Who could they ask? Paul's closest relations and confidants withing the organization? The people who wrote and edited the books? Or the person who was the leader? Three names that come to mind are Gail, Patti and Darwin; also Bluth.
Where are they now? And where were they in the 1980s decade? What were they doing then and what were they saying? How long did they last as functionaries within the Eckankar organization?
I don't believe it takes rocket science to follow the timeline. To look at what happened in sequential order and contemplate why it happened.
In my words I would call it a battle of fact vs. fiction. One side defending fact and one side defending fiction; the latter defending fiction in order to detract from accepting their part in advancing faction as fact.
Just look at what has happened over the years. So MANY of the fictions have been exposed for what they actually are. It was the truth and the truth made public that exposed the yarns; because it reduced the number of defenders of the fictional faith. Made it easier for the truth to be told. It was like a rolling stone that only increased in speed and mass; a critical mass.
If more of the fictions were to become exposed beyond a doubt and then made public it would be harder for people to advance fiction as fact.
All of these supposed discussions about plagiarism in official Eckankar Satsangs and functions are talking about what? In all my time going to functions and groups I don't remember these topics being freely discussed.
Like, where are these discussions and the results echoed in the Eckankar writings and publications? What is the explanation for using plagiarized material to animate Eckankar masters (that were supposed to have been living people) like Rebazar Tarzs, etc.?
Imagining an imaginary being can create visions and images, but it is not the same as human conception, the birth and growth of a human being where there is REAL MATERIAL SUBSTANCE, or a real living human being and / or living master.
Was it Patti alone? or a group of 8th initiates that wanted the removal?
Also, wasn't Patti also herself removed as secretary?
Somehow this looks confusing to me.
I can only wonder if Patti and Darwin both knew the truth about plagiarisms and about coverups and because somebody's head had to roll for it that they both tried to see that it happened to the other, but not them.
Paul was not alive to take the rap. However, Darwin was in charge for about 10 years and Patti help prepare a lot of the books. If they knew then they were culpable.
Here's the thing as I see it. If a person was unaware of the plagiarisms, the redactions, etc., they could naturally claim ignorance for continuing to promote literature without crediting (or telling people the truth about) the actual creator and author of certain texts and teachings. The matter is not the same, however, for people who know the truth and continue to hide it.
Within an organization when things go bad they look for a place to place the blame. And usually this happens to a person. Usually it is not the leadership, even if they are at fault, or culpable, but the weight falls on an underling.
So when the truth broke about plagiarisms, name changes, fictional biographical information and a general pattern of not telling the truth (truths that could no longer be hidden and covered up) it would naturally demand an explanation. The organization would have to explain it to the membership. So it is true that (according to D.M.) after finding a "growing list" Harold Klemp gave a series of talks about Paul Twitchell, etc. All that jazz about "death of an ideal" and no longer making a God out of a man (like it was never intended). And the admission that Paul Twitchell compiled, or borrowed from other authors. I think by that time Harold had no choice but to address certain things. However, it does look like he stopped short of putting the blame of plagiarism onto Eck Masters (unless their name was Paul Twitchell). But Paul T. and Eckankar publications claimed that so many words came from Rebazar Tarzs and other Eck Masters. So why aren't those Eck Masters answering for the plagiarisms? Where in all of the writings do the Eck Masters (like Rebazar Tarzs) explain to people why they evidently "borrowed" material from library books and told Paul Twitchell to use it in his own books?
If they are fiction and not real then they would not be able to answer. I think that is something to consider as a possibility (when following the truth wherever it leads).
It was pretty clear as day to me what the 1980s alleged scandals were all about. What I saw was that the dominoes started to fall after evidence of plagiarisms and fictions started to become public. I suspect this at least started in the 1970s and much of the evidence that became public ran contrary to what I think most people were led to believe.
So there is a natural responsibility and need to explain "Why is it that we were not told about these things?" It's really that simple, IMHO. Paul was not alive to explain it. And his successors might not have understood it enough to adequately explain it. How would they know? Who could they ask? Paul's closest relations and confidants withing the organization? The people who wrote and edited the books? Or the person who was the leader? Three names that come to mind are Gail, Patti and Darwin; also Bluth.
Where are they now? And where were they in the 1980s decade? What were they doing then and what were they saying? How long did they last as functionaries within the Eckankar organization?
I don't believe it takes rocket science to follow the timeline. To look at what happened in sequential order and contemplate why it happened.
In my words I would call it a battle of fact vs. fiction. One side defending fact and one side defending fiction; the latter defending fiction in order to detract from accepting their part in advancing faction as fact.
Just look at what has happened over the years. So MANY of the fictions have been exposed for what they actually are. It was the truth and the truth made public that exposed the yarns; because it reduced the number of defenders of the fictional faith. Made it easier for the truth to be told. It was like a rolling stone that only increased in speed and mass; a critical mass.
If more of the fictions were to become exposed beyond a doubt and then made public it would be harder for people to advance fiction as fact.
All of these supposed discussions about plagiarism in official Eckankar Satsangs and functions are talking about what? In all my time going to functions and groups I don't remember these topics being freely discussed.
Like, where are these discussions and the results echoed in the Eckankar writings and publications? What is the explanation for using plagiarized material to animate Eckankar masters (that were supposed to have been living people) like Rebazar Tarzs, etc.?
Imagining an imaginary being can create visions and images, but it is not the same as human conception, the birth and growth of a human being where there is REAL MATERIAL SUBSTANCE, or a real living human being and / or living master.
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Peetee Aitchei
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On Monday, 29 September 2014 12:38:16 UTC+10, Peetee Aitchei wrote:
> 1983-08-07 FALSE ACCUSATIONS MADE AGAINST DARWIN GROSS
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> 1983-08-07 FALSE ACCUSATIONS MADE AGAINST DARWIN GROSS
A meeting of the Board of Trustees of ECKANKAR was held by unanimous consent as of
the 12th day of June, 1983.
Trustees Sri Darwin Gross, Sri Harold Klemp, Alan Nichols, Peter Skelskey, Bob
Engel, Gordon Champion, were present. Also present were Bob Brant, Secretary, and
Jan Davidson.
Chairman Alan Nichols called the meeting to order and announced that a quorum was
present.
[...]
The Board then discussed the Special Meeting minutes of February 15, 1983. Sri
Harold Klemp mentioned that his vote on memberships was "qualified".
Nichols noted that special meetings under the Bylaws should be held by conference
call with the entire Board, or by a noticed meeting, or by unanimous written
consent. It was agreed that this procedure would be followed and that results in
writing of the meeting would be sent to each Board member.
[...] The Board then discussed the election of new members. It was moved by
Skelskey, seconded by Champion and unanimously passed with Davidson abstaining:
RESOLVED: That the resignation of Chris Morris be accepted and that Jan Davidson be
elected as a member of the ECKANKAR Board of Trustees.
Further, a motion was made by Engel, seconded by Skelskey and unanimously passed
with Davidson abstaining:
RESOLVED: That the resignation of Chris Morris as Treasurer be accepted and that
Jan Davidson be elected as Treasurer of the Board of Trustees.
[...]
The Board then reviewed the expenditures in excess of $3,000.00 for the period
December 30, 1982 to May 13, 1983.
[...] and unanimously passed:
RESOLVED: That the expenditures in excess of $3,000.00 are hereby approved.
[...]
The Board then discussed the signatories on bank accounts. It was moved by
Skelskey, seconded by Champion and unanimously passed:
RESOLVED: That staff should continue to clean up the signature cards on bank
accounts, adding Bob Brant as signatory and removing Don Ginn and/or Chris Morris
as required.
(moved by Skelskey, seconded by Champion and unanimously ...)
RESOLVED: That the financial report be approved as presented.
RESOLVED: That the revised budget for 1983 be approved as presented.
[...]
After discussion it was moved by Sri Darwin Gross, seconded by Skelskey and
unanimously passed:
RESOLVED: That the ECKANKAR International Office be relocated to Las Vegas.
RESOLVED FURTHER: That Management proceed with negotiations on the Green Valley
property in Las Vegas with Alan Nichols' legal review of the proposals.
The Board then discussed the sale of the Portola Valley property. After discussion
it was moved by Skelskey, seconded by Champion and unanimously passed:
RESOLVED: That the sale of the Portola property for the amount of $425,000 less
commission be approved.
[...]
After discussion it was moved by Skelskey, seconded by Sri Darwin Gross and
unanimously passed:
RESOLVED: That the proposed equipment as listed be approved for purchase:
micrographic storage and retrieval system, typesetter and input terminal,
microcomputer hardware and software, telephone system, and the balnce of start-up
costs for the ECKANKAR Africa and ECKANKAR Europe offices.
[...]
The adjacent property around the [Sedona] Spiritual Site was then discussed. It was
moved by Sri Darwin Gross, seconded by Davidson and unanimously passed:
RESOLVED: That counsel proceed as soon as possible with the purchase of an option
on the Bradshaw property in Sedona on the terms outlined, including a price of
approximately $30,000 per acre and the payment of a non-refundable deposit of
$100,000.
[...]
The meeting resumed at 7:55 A.M. on June 13th, 1983.
Present were Trustees Sri Darwin Gross, Sri Harold Klemp, Alan Nichols, Peter
Skelskey, Bob Engel, Gordon Champion, Jan Davidson and Bob Brant, Secretary.
[...]
Next the Audit Committee and its function were reviewed. After discussion it was
moved by Skelskey, seconded by Engel and unanimously passed:
RESOLVED: That Jan Davidson, as the new Treasurer, would be added to the Audit
Committee replacing Chris Morris.
Next Dharma Aircraft Ltd was discussed. After discussion it was moved by Skelskey,
seconded by Davidson and unanimously passed:
RESOLVED: That Dharma Aircraft Ltd be renamed to work with other income producing
sources for ECKANKAR, and to hold copyrights on ECKANKAR books and discourses.
RESOLVED FURTHER: That ECKANKAR Certificates of Deposits [ie funds in term bank
accounts/CDs] not required for current operations of ECKANKAR, and as convenient,
be transferred to the new Dharma corporation for its operations and safekeeping.
It was decided to schedule the next Board Meeting during the weekend of September
17-18, 1983, in Las Vegas. The Audit Committee meeting is to be scheduled for late
August, 1983, so that results could be available prior to the Board meeting.
The meeting was adjourned at 9:55 A.M. on JUne 13, 1983.
--- --- --- --- ---
repeatinmg a comment from: Klempankar versus Sri DARWIN GROSS
"Klemp as well as every other Trustee VOTED FOR THE TRANSFER OF FUNDS to [Dharma
Aircraft Ltd accounts] the newly name changed Glen Eden Press in Oregon before any
of those Bank transfers were effected or attempted to be effected.
"It is Klemp himself who was operating OUTSIDE his level of Authority, and the
prior agreement by Votes of the Board of Trustees, unlawfully and unethically
interfered in Blocking some of those bank transfers." [end quote]
--- --- --- --- ---
Extract from:
1983-10-23 Harold Klemp Speech Q&A HI Meeting at Seminar
Page 3 - EXHIBIT B
H.K.
[...] "and um I want to mention that this money that was moved [in June/July 83] up
to the Oregon organization, this corporation, which was a baby corporation from
ECKANKAR which was set up, $2.6 million, 260 thou, 2 million 600 thousand dollars
was moved up there, specifically against the advice of myself and the board members.
And he moved it anyway. And it was to a corporation that had no ties legally to
ECKANKAR. In other words it was setup as a gift from ECKANKAR to this corporation
which has no membership. And this is what we came and got back. And we couldn't get
it back at first. Well, (long pause) and I can't even touch on alot of this stuff."
"I'd like to introduce first of all the 8th initiates [...] Elmo DeWhitt, Helen
Baird, Millie Moore, Pat [Patrica] Henderson, and Patti Simpson Rivinus."
[with Dorothy Moore absent]
--- --- ---
Why would Patti want Darwin removed? Because that was something Gail wanted?
I am not sure why Patti would want him removed.
Was it Patti alone? or a group of 8th initiates that wanted the removal?
Also, wasn't Patti also herself removed as secretary?
Somehow this looks confusing to me.
I can only wonder if Patti and Darwin both knew the truth about plagiarisms and about coverups and
because somebody's head had to roll for it that they both tried to see that it happened to the other,
but not them.
Paul was not alive to take the rap. However, Darwin was in charge for about 10 years and Patti help
prepare a lot of the books. If they knew then they were culpable.
Here's the thing as I see it. If a person was unaware of the plagiarisms, the redactions, etc., they
could naturally claim ignorance for continuing to promote literature without crediting (or telling
people the truth about) the actual creator and author of certain texts and teachings. The matter is
not the same, however, for people who know the truth and continue to hide it.
Within an organization when things go bad they look for a place to place the blame. And usually this
happens to a person. Usually it is not the leadership, even if they are at fault, or culpable, but the
weight falls on an underling.
Godd question there.
Darwin had pushed Patti out of her STATUS Role in the "editing process" of Twitchell's original
manuscripts. In this case it was LTG 3. It was well known for at least a year that Darwin's intentions
were to continue that process, without Patti, of going through Twitchell unpublished manuscripts
archive and publish them anew for the world to see.
If one was to take an overview of the LTG3 situation in 1983, especially Klemps talk to the HIs at the
WW seminar in October and what he said about Patti and her key role in being TRAINED by Twitchell how
to "edit" his earlier manuscripts, and how Klemp had already put Patti firmly back in the drivers seat
of that, I think WHY Patti and Gail would have wanted Darwin removed .... no matter what the *excuse*
was, or the public explanation given.
Why, their adoration and awe of Twitchell, and their proven life long dedication, (now known, maybe
not back in 83 but it is OBVIOUS now in 2006 when Marman wrote his TWT book ..... all the stars align
here ...... to PROTECT the reputation and Image of Twitchell presented to the world.
The "claim" was made about "bad psychic practices" being in that 83 LTG3 book. Klemp said there was
only a few, and that by Oct 83 Patti had finished her main work and the newly minuted draft of LTG3
was already on his desk (so he says, not that anything Klemp says should ever be taken as accurate or
true by default without some verifying evidence to support his position/claims.)
ETA of revised LTG3 printed book was before Spring 1984 .. it never appeared until late 1990, 6 years
later, and 2+ months of "letters" were missing from Darwin's original.
Therefore the *issues* regarding Darwins LTG3 book is clearly more than "just a few examples of bad
psychic info" being included. There was much more to it.
Which is why I am seeking a complete original copy of Darwin's 1983 version of LTG3 .... that will
nail it without doubt, by seeing EXACTLY what was taken out completely, and all other "redactions" in
the rest of the book.
The other side-issue is that Patti was Gail's #1 friend; Gail had sold the Copyright / Ownership of
all PTs archive to Eckankasr via Darwin negotiations just ONE year before.
Darwins LTG3 was supposedly so BAD they pulped 16,000 copies of it, the cost was irrelevant. Gail,
ex-wife of Darwin, sells him the Copyrights for everything for half a million dollars, then out comes
this really bad NEGATIVE stuff about Paul Twitchell if that book was distributed.
Gail and Darwin had some very serious personal issues, and how much of that was about all the stuff
coming out about Twitchell's 'lies' via the SCP journal and Lane's TMOASM book in April 1983 ... and I
have more than a suspicion that both Gail and Patti were in a crisis mode from then on, but LTG3
pushed them over the edge to act.
Klemp was basically a cowardly man, no ticker, no Alpha Male bone in his body .... and his paranoia
also made him fear for his own role, and his beliefs he really was the LEM and Mahanta of the day.
Would not have been hard to PUSH him to act or else he would have completely lost control of Eckankar
and Eckankar would have been a complete disaster given they were fighting on various fronts.
Also do not forget the issues over the Helen Frye case in Sedona which Eckankar lost big time (TTF
issues, tapes of bribes to perjure oneself, etc) was not yet 2 years old, old sores still surrounded
that too.
Every body was HYPER ALERT Protection and Damage control mode.
Darwin naively believed in Twitchell 100%, but could NOT get a straight answer out of Gail ever, he
was very naive, and gullible, and like the 0 card was plowing ahead in good faith .. putting out
Twitchell's old manuscripts just made perfect sense to him. He did NOT know what Gail Twitchell-
Gross-Anderson or Patti Simpson-Rivinus knew .... now did he?
Darwin Gross believed in Twitchell and all the rest 100% - and that PT never plagiarized a damned
thing to the day he died in 2008.
Patti and Gail knew better. Klemp also knew NOTHING. In August 1983 at least.
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It's also called GUILT - Gail was and felt responsible was the CAUSE for what came of the deal she did
with Darwin .... the 1983 LTG3 by Darwin was the DIRECT outcome, the unexpected negative EFFECT of
that act by Gail.
Stopping Darwin from doing the same thing with the rest of Paul's unpublished archive was critical for
Gail to STOP ... anyway possible.
A few pointed pone calls to a few of her OLD friends who were then 8th Initiates and who would work
well for her, and believe her.
Patti knew all this, and played her part in the "game".
When I use the word Game (Gaming) , think Scientology's use of that method.
Klemp meanwhile was a mere Pawn .... and feared for his position he was so paranoid and weak as it
was.
That's why he ended up lying so much about everything, including the PT talks in 84/85.
Now when Klemp did that, well, Patti and Gail would have gone absolutely nuts about it.
But they were the one's who actually saved him, and then look what happened.
1985 dear old Patti was GONE, and has never told the whole truth about that, not even to Doug ... he
had to be fed BS like a mushroom. Patti and Gail NEVER told Marman everything .... but strung him
along with a carrot on a stick.
and of course, both Gail and Patti believed they were doing the right thing, despite their many errors
already, and mis-takes over both Darwin and Klemp, they still never faced up squarely to the truth of
matters Twitchell, nor their own JOINT personal culpability in this to today.
Marman was their "Get of Karma Free" Card ..... but look at the crap he has said over the years, and
he thinks he's not only smart and wise - but part of this grand spiritual hierarchy operating under
SUGMAD's direction and protection with all his "sacred stones" bullshit.
The critical importance of the Pole of the World, the Rod of Power, and the Mahanta, and that RT
really did dictate to Paul key spiritual truths in DWTM and SBTR .. and Fubbi Quantz really did
dictate the SKS books to Twitchell.
But any minor use of other writigns, well that's no big deal, it was only less than 2% anyway .... all
the really GOOD stuff came via RT and the ECK masters, like Rumi, and Guru Nanak.
and of course who complimented Marman on his TWT BOOK? Gail Twitchell, plus Patti who joined the SDP
as an author and keynote speaker to ENCOURAGE as many Eckists as possible to also JOIN with Marman
the "truth teller" ......... and then there was Brad Steiger who crawled out form under a rock to
suddenly appear and grant Marman a Knighthood for the GREAT RESEARCH SKILLS ........ Brad Steiger's
initials have always been BS, btw.
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> Was it Patti alone? or a group of 8th initiates that wanted the removal?
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over other 8ths, who were NOT privy to inside info nor knew what happened in the ECK Office, either.
Keep in mind that Gail and Patti cared about TWITCHELL, not Klemp. They already knew he was NO MASTER
in his own right, but that wasn't important to them.
They used Klemp, and by 1985/86 suddenly they realized that be was a bigger monster than Darwin gross
could ever be.
And also do NOT forget about the Marman PS about Patti Simpson's story of Twitchell asking her take
over a Eck master in 1971.
At the VERY next seminar Klemp was addressing that NO WOMAN could ever be a LEM. Shots across the
bows, back and forth, for decades. All very HUMAN stuff.
Marman is in the Gail/Patti Camp. Others are in the Klemp/Joan Camp. Darwin Gross's camp was fire-
bombed by both sides and no prisoners were taken alive.
Except for Michael Turner SFS ...... who was able to avoid getting caught up too much in ATOM, walked
away from Klemp, avoided Marman and all the other ECKist attack dogs from bright Future here on a.r.e.
..... and yet has always been around on the edges, every now and then popping to refute many of
Marman's claims about Darwin ... he MT said Darwin was ALWAYS referred to as the Mahanta LEM from day
one to 1981. The opposite of the Patti/Gail/Marman camp.
It's all Politics and Religion and BS and Human Nature, beliefs and emotions:101
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> Also, wasn't Patti also herself removed as secretary?
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> Somehow this looks confusing to me.
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Lies and Secrets always do that - confuse people.
That's why so many rely upon such nefarious unconscionable tactics.
IT WORKS .... for when the real facts come out, no one can believe it.
The LIES have so taken hold, the sides were chosen 3 decades ago, and that becomes entrenched into
peoples Mental processes .... memories get re-programmed, true facts get ejected from the memory
banks, and the cognitive dissonance subsides, people get comfortable in the their mental/emotional
positions, and later call that the "whole truth" when it ain't.
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> I can only wonder if Patti and Darwin both knew the truth about plagiarisms and about coverups and
because somebody's head had to roll for it that they both tried to see that it happened to the other,
but not them.
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> Paul was not alive to take the rap. However, Darwin was in charge for about 10 years and Patti help
prepare a lot of the books. If they knew then they were culpable.
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he copied a bit, changed a few names, but not much.
Here's the RUB though, Patti and Gail NEVER KNEW HOW MUCH TWITCHELL COPIED AND LIED ABOUT HIS PAST.
They too were VICTIMS here, so they honestly "believed" he deserved protection from the criticism of
Lane and everyone else ..... but whatever. I dont really care what they believed or not.
FACT is they were both willing and UNCONSCIONABLE ACTORS in this trick from the get go to this day.
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> Here's the thing as I see it. If a person was unaware of the plagiarisms, the redactions, etc., they
could naturally claim ignorance for continuing to promote literature without crediting (or telling
people the truth about) the actual creator and author of certain texts and teachings. The matter is
not the same, however, for people who know the truth and continue to hide it.
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what they wrote and how they wrote it, and when they wrote it.
Patti Simpson is a dead set give-away here. In that she has shot herself in the foot so much, she was
walking on her shins for a very many decades.
Not my fault if no one ever noticed this, or mentioned. There was a long term campaign to OBSCURE
and DISTRACT any and all CRITICISM and EVERY PIECE of EVIDENCE that presented an opposite view.
I would have imagined it would have been far far easier to simply let things be, answer questions
honestly, open up the cobwebbed cupboards, and call a spade a spade .... and do it honestly.
Too hard apparently ... oh well. C'est la vie.
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